From ric.gates at bigsleep.org  Fri Apr  1 00:11:08 2005
From: ric.gates at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Thu Mar 31 19:15:05 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] 
	Re: XP registry fix for large number of files/directories
References: <d2i0e0$ql4$1@news.spamcop.net>
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On 31 Mar 2005 Joe Gill entered spamcop.geeks and left 
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> When I open most XP directories, the files are no longer sorted....
> 
> IIRC, there is a registry 'tweak' that increases a 'buffer' that XP uses.
> Increasing the buffer, then allow XP to sort the directory again.
> 
> I know I can manually sort each time, but that is a pain...
> 
> 

It has nothing to do with a "buffer", the list is read and the files are 
sorted. If any info on the directory is stored, it's probably done the 
idiotic MS why using a "desktop.inf" file.

You can set your folder options and have all folders use those settings, 
otherwise you have to set each folder seperately. You can have one or the 
other, not both.

Of course you can sort by name, filetype, etc. The files are always sorted, 
I've never seen any way to view them unsorted, but you need to set the 
folder up the way you want and apply it to all folders.


-- 
| Ric
|
From devnull at spamcop.net  Sat Apr  2 09:53:23 2005
From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince)
Date: Sat Apr  2 10:00:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Question on weg site process
Message-ID: <d2mbr7$1ng$1@news.spamcop.net>

We have a new, small but growing client for web site/graphics that
needs/wants to have a few things accomplished automatically if it's
practical

First they are a small but up scale photo studio and would like to load
studio samples from their office computer (DSL connection) automatically.
Staff is great on photo work but have more productive fish to fry than to
lean the tricks of the internet.  (KISS principal applies  -- if it's
simple/easy/fool proof they'll do it otherwise ...)

These would be seasonal samples, changed on average once a quarter and open
to public view.

Second they want to load preview shots to the site for each individual
client with a  pass word for the client family to access.  These will be up
for 2 to 6 weeks and the client's extended family will be able to select
prints size and quanties from this page.

Right not the only option is for me to collect what is to up loaded and do
the deed for them.  This is ok for the seasonal uploads as I can get them
far enough in advance.  The client up loads are a logistical nightmare due
to work schedules, etc.

The last requirement is to block down loads/printing, if that be practical,
otherwise the samples will have to be low resolution which may have some
effect on sales.

Web site is prepared in Dream MX

Any help or direction to where I can find what I need (assuming it's
available).

TIA

FP
brother_rabbit @ hotmail.com (remove spaces)

FWIW I'm fighting a kidney stone (some day this too will pass <g>) and will
be checking the group sporadically so if there are questions understand the
delay in responding


From nttp.sc.s.g at bigsleep.org  Sat Apr  2 16:59:47 2005
From: nttp.sc.s.g at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Sat Apr  2 12:00:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Question on weg site process
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On 02 Apr 2005 Frog Prince entered spamcop.geeks and left
news:d2mbr7$1ng$1@news.spamcop.net: 

> 
> First they are a small but up scale photo studio and would like to
> load studio samples from their office computer (DSL connection)
> automatically. Staff is great on photo work but have more productive
> fish to fry than to lean the tricks of the internet.  (KISS principal
> applies  -- if it's simple/easy/fool proof they'll do it otherwise
> ...) 
> 

I know what you mean.
Well, too many ifs, if you don't want to die early from an ulser, don't 
even try to automate this. Make them have to do something to get them up 
there, a script or batch file that just FTP uploads everything in a 
directory.

> Second they want to load preview shots to the site for each individual
> client with a  pass word for the client family to access.  These will
> be up for 2 to 6 weeks and the client's extended family will be able
> to select prints size and quanties from this page.
> 

That's no problem, depending on the OS the server is running, easy. 
Here we got the upload thing again, well someone's going to have to learn 
how to double-click an icon, I'm afraid.
Still, all this info can be uploaded at once and the server can "figure it 
out".

> 
> The last requirement is to block down loads/printing, if that be
> practical, otherwise the samples will have to be low resolution which
> may have some effect on sales.
> 

"Hey, here's a photo, Oh sorry, you can't have that, give it back".
Hey, don't upload anything you don't want to give out, you know if you 
give out your eMail you just might get some spam. I don't see what the 
problem is with just giving out previews, if you want people to know what 
the full size version looks like, just have some free samples that aren't 
worth anything. Any method that attempts to "prevent image theft" is just 
going to make it harder on some users to view them. What you really want is 
to prevent /other/ sites from linking to them, and that can be done.

> 
> Any help or direction to where I can find what I need (assuming it's
> available).
> 

I could give some ideas if you were running FreeBSD/ Apache.

-- 
| Ric
From devnull at spamcop.net  Sat Apr  2 18:52:05 2005
From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince)
Date: Sat Apr  2 19:00:05 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Question on weg site process
References: <d2mbr7$1ng$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns962C5B90E851Dblammo@216.154.195.61>
Message-ID: <d2nbeo$j2q$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Blammo"
| >
| > First they are a small but up scale photo studio and would like to
| > load studio samples from their office computer (DSL connection)
| > automatically. Staff is great on photo work but have more productive
| > fish to fry than to lean the tricks of the internet.  (KISS principal
| > applies  -- if it's simple/easy/fool proof they'll do it otherwise
| > ...)
| >
|
| I know what you mean.
| Well, too many ifs, if you don't want to die early from an ulcer, don't
| even try to automate this. Make them have to do something to get them up
| there, a script or batch file that just FTP uploads everything in a
| directory.

I've not done any formal coding since Fortan so where might I find a useful
script/batch file that would not cause more problems than it would solve.
Remember these are Right brained types and if the end result doesn't look
good and just like they want it to look ... I'm in trouble.

| > Second they want to load preview shots to the site for each individual
| > client with a  pass word for the client family to access.  These will
| > be up for 2 to 6 weeks and the client's extended family will be able
| > to select prints size and quanties from this page.
| >
|
| That's no problem, depending on the OS the server is running, easy.
| Here we got the upload thing again, well someone's going to have to learn
| how to double-click an icon, I'm afraid.
| Still, all this info can be uploaded at once and the server can "figure it
| out".
|
| >
| > The last requirement is to block down loads/printing, if that be
| > practical, otherwise the samples will have to be low resolution which
| > may have some effect on sales.
| >
<snip>
| >
|
| I could give some ideas if you were running FreeBSD/ Apache.

Honestly don't know what the host is running.  (I'm in a steep learning
curve here and have more projects to 'come up to speed' that I have better
sense)

I did find this <http://flyspeck.net/> and would appreciate a quick review
and opinion if it would do the job.

BTW the doc gave me some new pain meds, only caution I'm not to drive
anything more complicated than the TV remote.

FP


From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net  Sun Apr  3 18:30:02 2005
From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz)
Date: Sun Apr  3 17:35:14 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] 
	SHEESH!  Is there anyone who doesn't outsource Tech Support?
Message-ID: <d2pne1$p96$1@news.spamcop.net>

Or actually, sales......My hard drive is making scraping noises again,
second one to go bad in five years. Gateway says I can buy a new one for
$65, but there is no home tech to install it, and when I asked if there were
instructions for installation that came with it, she gave me a link telling
how to install Windows 2k!  After asking several times how this HD was going
to get installed and was I expected to know how to do it, she say once I
plug it in I can reinstall my install disks.  Then she tells me once I get
the HD I can log on and they will guide me through the installation.
HELLLOOOOOOO, won't my hard drive be disconnected at the time?  I asked what
country she was in, she said Phillipines....considering she could not answer
the question 'how will this hard drive get installed', that doesn't surprise
me.

So what do I do? Is installing a hard drive difficult for the non-nerd?
Alright, I'm semi-nerdy, but I've never done much more than install software
and memory.


From nttp.sc.s.g at bigsleep.org  Sun Apr  3 23:45:25 2005
From: nttp.sc.s.g at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Sun Apr  3 18:50:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Question on weg site process
References: <d2mbr7$1ng$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns962C5B90E851Dblammo@216.154.195.61> <d2nbeo$j2q$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <Xns962DA05462270blammo@216.154.195.61>

On 02 Apr 2005 Frog Prince entered spamcop.geeks and left
news:d2nbeo$j2q$1@news.spamcop.net: 

> 
> I've not done any formal coding since Fortan so where might I find a
> useful script/batch file that would not cause more problems than it
> would solve. Remember these are Right brained types and if the end
> result doesn't look good and just like they want it to look ... I'm in
> trouble. 
> 

Well rather than make a script to upload, there is SendToFtp, which I've 
used just for this purpose. If they know how to use the right-click menu in 
Windows Explorer, then you're in business.
A review - http://www.mrzone.com/freeware/sendtoftp.html
However you need to be able to set up FTP usernames and passwords on the 
server. If you can't do that, perhaps they already have FTP access (if it's 
their site, and only their site, or they already have access to their 
htdocs), otherwise you'll still have to upload the images or create a web 
form for that.

> 
> Honestly don't know what the host is running.  (I'm in a steep
> learning curve here and have more projects to 'come up to speed' that
> I have better sense)
> 

Well I can figure that out if I had a URL.

> I did find this <http://flyspeck.net/> and would appreciate a quick
> review and opinion if it would do the job.
> 

Again, you'll need to install something on the server. Looks like it 
requires PHP, but the site gives little info, maybe it's there, but it's 
not obvious.
Personally I've considered using Mozile, actually I have installed the 
server side version and got it working, but Mozile is more interested in  
the Mozile client side. I prefer this method because it pretty much 
requires Firefox or Mozilla (it actually only requires support of the CSS 
user-modify, which IE doesn't support). The client side version would 
require a Mozilla browser and the Mozile extension. I would prefer to 
require someone to use a Mozilla browser rather than a MS browser. But 
there are many contentEditable page editors out there, several are free I'm 
sure. But I really don't think they will upload new images for you, you 
kinda need that function. I think they use content already on the server, 
but I don't know what options they may have.
But here you have a learning curve again, for example Mozile is pretty easy 
to use, especially if you have ever created a web page, but for those that 
know nothing about it there may be a few things to learn, especially when 
you have to get new images on the site. If you have to teach them how to 
write a web page, might as well just let them use Dreamweaver. Just 
allowing them to edit a section of a page is a great idea, but how are they 
going to create new pages. Personally I'm afraid to give my job away to 
some program.

Now what I did with a truck broker site is to use what they already had. 
They were eMailing photos on request and sending out an inventory list via 
fax on a regular basis. I had them save the inventory list as text onto the 
FTP server, this is pretty easy because they had Office which includes a 
FTP client, so the file got saved right where I needed it. I created an 
HTML template, and a script filled in the web pages based on the inventory 
contents. They could upload new photos from a web form or use the SendToFtp 
program. Now the photo name just needed to match the VIN number (even a 
partial match).

Now while the flyspeck thing might be able to do some of the work for you, 
it won't be able to do everything, you still have the problem of creating 
directories for customers to get their photos from. With Apache or ProFTP 
it's easy to create .htaccess files for just this purpose. Most of this 
work can be automated, either from Cron (*NIX systems), or a Perl or PHP 
script executed from a web form.

Now there is one area that I have to constantly edit, and I'm getting tired 
of that and I want to use Mozile, or more likely I'll just make a web form 
that they can edit. Currenty they eMail me this info and I update the site. 
I think in this case I'll just create an "Edit" page where they use the 
normal web form that edits a file, and this file is included on the web 
page using Server Side Includes (that's Apache). The only thing they need 
to know is how to get to the edit page, the script itself can deal with any 
mistakes they make.

I've seen many different scripts you can get that do specific things, like 
generate image galleries, but not likely to fill all your needs.

> BTW the doc gave me some new pain meds, only caution I'm not to drive
> anything more complicated than the TV remote.
> 

What if you have a complicated TV remote?

-- 
| Ric
From nttp.sc.s.g at bigsleep.org  Sun Apr  3 23:56:49 2005
From: nttp.sc.s.g at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Sun Apr  3 19:00:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] 
	Re: SHEESH!  Is there anyone who doesn't outsource Tech Support?
References: <d2pne1$p96$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <Xns962DA243D5037blammo@216.154.195.61>

On 03 Apr 2005 Heidz entered spamcop.geeks and left
news:d2pne1$p96$1@news.spamcop.net: 

> So what do I do? Is installing a hard drive difficult for the
> non-nerd? Alright, I'm semi-nerdy, but I've never done much more than
> install software and memory.
> 

Not really, but I think Gateway will do it for you, but you have to send 
them the computer.

Otherwise a Google search for "install new hard drive" turns up all sorts 
of sites like
http://www.pcworld.com/howto/article/0,aid,47370,00.asp

Also I believe some harddrive manufacturers offer a utility that transfers 
your data for you, seems that Gateway would offer some tool like this. 
Seems that IBM or Maxtor had such a utility.

You are correct that once you remove the old drive there is not much you 
can do. You will have to have both drives installed and transfer the data 
over, before you can remove the old one.
-- 
| Ric
From devnull at spamcop.net  Sun Apr  3 23:20:56 2005
From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince)
Date: Sun Apr  3 22:40:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Question on weg site process
References: <d2mbr7$1ng$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns962C5B90E851Dblammo@216.154.195.61> <d2nbeo$j2q$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns962DA05462270blammo@216.154.195.61>
Message-ID: <d2q995$2hk$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Blammo"
|
| > BTW the doc gave me some new pain meds, only caution I'm not to drive
| > anything more complicated than the TV remote.
| >
|
| What if you have a complicated TV remote?

I use a modified version of the channel search option my dad used:  In this
case I ask my 4 y.o. grand daughter to press the correct button.



From notformail0404 at comcast.net  Mon Apr  4 01:32:38 2005
From: notformail0404 at comcast.net (Gunter Herrmann)
Date: Mon Apr  4 00:35:07 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] 
	Re: SHEESH!  Is there anyone who doesn't outsource Tech Support?
In-Reply-To: <Xns962DA243D5037blammo@216.154.195.61>
References: <d2pne1$p96$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns962DA243D5037blammo@216.154.195.61>
Message-ID: <d2qg19$5hb$1@news.spamcop.net>

Hi!

Blammo wrote:

> Also I believe some harddrive manufacturers offer a utility that transfers 
> your data for you, seems that Gateway would offer some tool like this. 
> Seems that IBM or Maxtor had such a utility.
> 
> You are correct that once you remove the old drive there is not much you 
> can do. You will have to have both drives installed and transfer the data 
> over, before you can remove the old one.

One option is to get a Linux cd and use dd.

Assuming both drives are on the primary adapter they are
/dev/hda and /dev/hdb

dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=16M

will copy all of the first drive (if - input file )to the second 
drive (of - output file) in chunks (bs - block size) of 16 MByte.

HTH

-- 
Gunter Herrmann
Naples, Florida, USA
From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net  Mon Apr  4 11:01:08 2005
From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer)
Date: Mon Apr  4 10:05:09 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] 
	Re: SHEESH!  Is there anyone who doesn't outsource Tech Support?
References: <d2pne1$p96$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns962DA243D5037blammo@216.154.195.61>
Message-ID: <d2rhap$lgj$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Blammo" <nttp.sc.s.g@bigsleep.org> wrote in message
news:Xns962DA243D5037blammo@216.154.195.61...
>
> Not really, but I think Gateway will do it for you, but you have to send
> them the computer.

No way I'm shipping it anywhere, things get lost, stolen, damaged, and I'd probably
be out one computer by the time it showed up again.
>
> Otherwise a Google search for "install new hard drive" turns up all sorts
> of sites like
> http://www.pcworld.com/howto/article/0,aid,47370,00.asp
>
> Also I believe some harddrive manufacturers offer a utility that transfers
> your data for you, seems that Gateway would offer some tool like this.
> Seems that IBM or Maxtor had such a utility.

Data transfer is not a big issue, I have stuff backed up on Cd that I can just copy
over and the other stuff I'd reinstall to start fresh, I'd be more worried about the
mechanical stuff, and maybe the OS and getting that installed correctly.


From rcarlton at spamcop.net  Mon Apr  4 10:45:54 2005
From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton)
Date: Mon Apr  4 12:50:02 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] 
	Re: SHEESH!  Is there anyone who doesn't outsource Tech Support?
In-Reply-To: <d2rhap$lgj$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <d2pne1$p96$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns962DA243D5037blammo@216.154.195.61> <d2rhap$lgj$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d2rr03$qne$1@news.spamcop.net>

Spamvireslayer wrote:
> Data transfer is not a big issue, I have stuff backed up on Cd that I can just copy
> over and the other stuff I'd reinstall to start fresh, I'd be more worried about the
> mechanical stuff, and maybe the OS and getting that installed correctly.

Mechanically, it's not tough - though it can be intimidating the first 
time. It's also empowering when you realize thhat aa PC reaally is just 
a glorified toaster.

The drive cables - both power and signal - are keyed so they only fit 
the correct way.

And, if you'd like to save yourself the love of reinstalling, a copy of 
Norton Ghost will take the entire old drive and clone it to the new one. 
CompUSA has this for $20 after rebates - which if you amortize into time 
saved, might be worth it.

If you're adverse to doing the work yourself, you can get a BestBuy or 
CompUSA to do it for you.   Or a tech at a local computer shop.  Scopee 
them out like aanyone else doing work for yoou and if they don't feel 
right - try a national franchised group like ComputerMoms.com.

As a rule - for $60, you should be able to get at least a 120GB drive - 
possibly after rebate.  CompUSA currently has a 160GB drive for $70, 
which is close.

Lastly, parts are parts.  There's no need to buy a new drive from 
Gateway when you can generally do better for the same money at any of 
the above mentioned stores.  Or newegg.com etc.
From rcarlton at spamcop.net  Mon Apr  4 11:09:41 2005
From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton)
Date: Mon Apr  4 13:10:12 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Question on weg site process
In-Reply-To: <d2q995$2hk$1@news.spamcop.net>
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	<Xns962DA05462270blammo@216.154.195.61> <d2q995$2hk$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d2rscm$res$1@news.spamcop.net>

Frog Prince wrote:
> I use a modified version of the channel search option my dad used:  In this
> case I ask my 4 y.o. grand daughter to press the correct button.


I'm sorry to hear of your pain.

Hoping that the meds and good karmic thoughts will help you to be rid of 
the stones.

Dumb question regarding this issue - are they running Macs?

If so, a .Mac subscription includes most - if not all - of what you're 
talking about, allows them to mount the .Mac volume on their Mac (or 
Windows XP box) and drag and drop.  It's $99/yr - though routinely 
discounted to $70/yr.

Includes 250MB storage (though I understand that's about to jump) and is 
an all around good service for non-technical and/or people who need to 
publish quickly.  You can map external domain names to it, etc just like 
any other service.

Another option would be Flickr or Ofoto, though they are less graceful 
integration-wise IMHO.

This isn't as fun aand geeeky as other options, but depending on your 
client - might be a good choice.
From borgholio at storymind.com  Mon Apr  4 12:01:16 2005
From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio)
Date: Mon Apr  4 14:05:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] 
	Re: SHEESH!  Is there anyone who doesn't outsource Tech Support?
In-Reply-To: <d2rr03$qne$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <d2pne1$p96$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns962DA243D5037blammo@216.154.195.61> <d2rhap$lgj$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d2rr03$qne$1@news.spamcop.net>
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Rick Carlton wrote:
> Spamvireslayer wrote:
> 
>> Data transfer is not a big issue, I have stuff backed up on Cd that I 
>> can just copy
>> over and the other stuff I'd reinstall to start fresh, I'd be more 
>> worried about the
>> mechanical stuff, and maybe the OS and getting that installed correctly.
> 
> 
> Mechanically, it's not tough - though it can be intimidating the first 
> time. It's also empowering when you realize thhat aa PC reaally is just 
> a glorified toaster.
> 
> The drive cables - both power and signal - are keyed so they only fit 
> the correct way.
> 
> And, if you'd like to save yourself the love of reinstalling, a copy of 
> Norton Ghost will take the entire old drive and clone it to the new one. 
> CompUSA has this for $20 after rebates - which if you amortize into time 
> saved, might be worth it.
> 
> If you're adverse to doing the work yourself, you can get a BestBuy or 
> CompUSA to do it for you.   Or a tech at a local computer shop.  Scopee 
> them out like aanyone else doing work for yoou and if they don't feel 
> right - try a national franchised group like ComputerMoms.com.
> 
> As a rule - for $60, you should be able to get at least a 120GB drive - 
> possibly after rebate.  CompUSA currently has a 160GB drive for $70, 
> which is close.
> 
> Lastly, parts are parts.  There's no need to buy a new drive from 
> Gateway when you can generally do better for the same money at any of 
> the above mentioned stores.  Or newegg.com etc.

No need to buy Ghost.  If it's a common name-brand hard drive (Maxtor, 
Fujitsu, Seagate, Western Digital, etc...) You can download a FREE utility 
from their websites that will copy your data from the old drive to the new 
one.  Painless.  :)
From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net  Mon Apr  4 15:21:47 2005
From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer)
Date: Mon Apr  4 14:25:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] 
	Re: SHEESH!  Is there anyone who doesn't outsource Tech Support?
References: <d2pne1$p96$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns962DA243D5037blammo@216.154.195.61> <d2rhap$lgj$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d2rr03$qne$1@news.spamcop.net>
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"Rick Carlton" <rcarlton@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:d2rr03$qne$1@news.spamcop.net...
>
> Mechanically, it's not tough - though it can be intimidating the first
> time. It's also empowering when you realize thhat aa PC reaally is just
> a glorified toaster.
>
> The drive cables - both power and signal - are keyed so they only fit
> the correct way.

I could imagine that, but never having done it, I don't necessarily want to
experience it the hard way!  We have a guy who has done geek stuff locally for us in
our office, but at $85 an hour, prolly 2 hours, it'll cost more than the hard drive.
>
> And, if you'd like to save yourself the love of reinstalling, a copy of
> Norton Ghost will take the entire old drive and clone it to the new one.
> CompUSA has this for $20 after rebates - which if you amortize into time
> saved, might be worth it.

Might be worth it, but since I hosed up the last OS install, I wouldn't mind starting
fresh.  My copy of ME blew up,  I tried to fix, no fix. Tried to reinstall, unable to
reinstall, got a copy of 2K and installed that, unfortunately did not pick 'clean
install' from the menu so I have two OS's on my pc right now.  Doesn't seem to be a
problem, but I could happily lose all the ME crap.
>
> As a rule - for $60, you should be able to get at least a 120GB drive -
> possibly after rebate.  CompUSA currently has a 160GB drive for $70,
> which is close.
>
> Lastly, parts are parts.  There's no need to buy a new drive from
> Gateway when you can generally do better for the same money at any of
> the above mentioned stores.  Or newegg.com etc.

The reason I went to Gateway is I don't want to mess about with compatibility
problems, if I buy a new drive somewhere else and it doesn't work with the
motherboard or something I'll be SOL, at least Gateway will be likely to send me
something that will work.  I could upgrade my memory too, If it doesn't matter, then
I might just look elsewhere.  Or splash out on a new PC.  There's those Dell thingies
for $500 and change.......but with Dell you get India......


From devnull at spamcop.net  Mon Apr  4 15:16:19 2005
From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince)
Date: Mon Apr  4 14:25:06 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Question on weg site process
References: <d2mbr7$1ng$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns962C5B90E851Dblammo@216.154.195.61> <d2nbeo$j2q$1@news.spamcop.net>
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"Rick Carlton" <rcarlton@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:d2rscm$res$1@news.spamcop.net...
| Frog Prince wrote:
| > I use a modified version of the channel search option my dad used:  In
this
| > case I ask my 4 y.o. grand daughter to press the correct button.
|
|
| I'm sorry to hear of your pain.
|
| Hoping that the meds and good karmic thoughts will help you to be rid of
| the stones.
|
| Dumb question regarding this issue - are they running Macs?

In this case no but whatever we go for needs to be OS independant.
|
| If so, a .Mac subscription includes most - if not all - of what you're
| talking about, allows them to mount the .Mac volume on their Mac (or
| Windows XP box) and drag and drop.  It's $99/yr - though routinely
| discounted to $70/yr.

This is another cost center that they'd prefer to avoid.  Heck if they'd pay
$99 per year I'd do it myself.

| Includes 250MB storage (though I understand that's about to jump) and is
| an all around good service for non-technical and/or people who need to
| publish quickly.  You can map external domain names to it, etc just like
| any other service.
|
| Another option would be Flickr or Ofoto, though they are less graceful
| integration-wise IMHO.
|
| This isn't as fun aand geeeky as other options, but depending on your
| client - might be a good choice.


From devnull at spamcop.net  Mon Apr  4 15:18:34 2005
From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince)
Date: Mon Apr  4 14:25:08 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] 
	Re: SHEESH!  Is there anyone who doesn't outsource Tech Support?
References: <d2pne1$p96$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns962DA243D5037blammo@216.154.195.61> <d2rhap$lgj$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d2rr03$qne$1@news.spamcop.net>
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"Rick Carlton"
<snip>
|
| Lastly, parts are parts.  There's no need to buy a new drive from
| Gateway when you can generally do better for the same money at any of
| the above mentioned stores.  Or newegg.com etc.

Especially since buying from Gateway/Dell etc is likely going to carry a 1
year vs. 3 year warranty.


From rcarlton at spamcop.net  Mon Apr  4 12:53:59 2005
From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton)
Date: Mon Apr  4 14:55:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Question on weg site process
In-Reply-To: <d2s0m4$tvi$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <d2mbr7$1ng$1@news.spamcop.net>
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OK then, my recommendation is http://www.flickr.com/

Can't guess that it will always be free...especially now that Yahoo is 
buying them.

But it seems to meet your requirements in terms of features and cost.
From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net  Mon Apr  4 15:35:20 2005
From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO)
Date: Mon Apr  4 15:40:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] 
	Re: SHEESH!  Is there anyone who doesn't outsource Tech Support?
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"Heidz" <devnull@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:d2pne1$p96$1@news.spamcop.net...
>
> So what do I do? Is installing a hard drive difficult for the non-nerd?
> Alright, I'm semi-nerdy, but I've never done much more than install
software
> and memory.

Dropped you an e-mail.


From devnull at spamcop.net  Mon Apr  4 17:13:49 2005
From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince)
Date: Mon Apr  4 16:25:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Question on weg site process
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"Rick Carlton" <rcarlton@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:d2s2g8$uvk$1@news.spamcop.net...
| OK then, my recommendation is http://www.flickr.com/
|
| Can't guess that it will always be free...especially now that Yahoo is
| buying them.
|
| But it seems to meet your requirements in terms of features and cost.

Won't work as this is a professional studio.  Using something like Yahoo is
a no no.

Perhaps I was not clear.  They have a web site host but need a simple way to
transfer the proofs from their studio computer to the web site that is KISS
compliant.


From nobody at nowhere.invalid  Tue Apr  5 11:25:51 2005
From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein)
Date: Tue Apr  5 04:30:15 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Question on weg site process
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On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 16:13:49 -0400, Frog Prince coughed into
spamcop.geeks and left this in <d2s7m8$286$1@news.spamcop.net>:

> Perhaps I was not clear.  They have a web site host but need a simple way to
> transfer the proofs from their studio computer to the web site that is KISS
> compliant.

Set up an e-mail address on the server which feeds into a script that
extracts the attachment and processes it as required (ImageMagick is
your friend here, but I'm assuming it's a real server running some form
of Unix and not MickeyMouseware). Then, all they have to do is e-mail
the picture to that e-mail address.

-- 
Steve

For Mac, it's AppleTalk. For Novell, it's IPX. For Windows, it's a mystery.
For the Internet, it's TCP/IP. Linux supports them all.
From nttp.sc.s at bigsleep.org  Wed Apr  6 17:39:23 2005
From: nttp.sc.s at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Wed Apr  6 12:40:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Question on weg site process
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On 04 Apr 2005 Rick Carlton entered spamcop.geeks and left 
news:d2rscm$res$1@news.spamcop.net:

> Dumb question regarding this issue - are they running Macs?
> 
> If so, a .Mac subscription includes most - if not all - of what you're 
> talking about, allows them to mount the .Mac volume on their Mac (or 
> Windows XP box) and drag and drop.  It's $99/yr - though routinely 
> discounted to $70/yr.
> 
> 

This sounds similar to Samba http://www.samba.org/
which enables file sharing to work. I have this installed on my server, and 
may already be installed on your server, however I didn't mention this 
because of security concerns; I believe only the admin has access to this 
service (so the entire directory structure can be accessed), but then a 
VPS2 or dedicated server may allow you to create new user accounts for 
this.
Still, that won't help you to update pages.

-- 
| Ric
|
From nttp.sc.s at bigsleep.org  Wed Apr  6 17:45:05 2005
From: nttp.sc.s at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Wed Apr  6 12:50:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] 
	Re: SHEESH!  Is there anyone who doesn't outsource Tech Support?
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On 04 Apr 2005 Rick Carlton entered spamcop.geeks and left 
news:d2rr03$qne$1@news.spamcop.net:

> The drive cables - both power and signal - are keyed so they only fit 
> the correct way.
> 

Not all drive cables are keyed, though I would expect Gateway cables to be, 
none of mine are.

-- 
| Ric
|
From nttp.sc.s at bigsleep.org  Wed Apr  6 17:49:05 2005
From: nttp.sc.s at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Wed Apr  6 12:50:06 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] 
	Re: SHEESH!  Is there anyone who doesn't outsource Tech Support?
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On 04 Apr 2005 Spamvireslayer entered spamcop.geeks and left 
news:d2s0jf$tv9$1@news.spamcop.net:

> .......but with Dell you get India......

Hey, either we send money there, or they'll come here and build little 
mini-marts.
;-)

-- 
| Ric
|
From pete+usenet at heypete.com  Thu Apr  7 22:57:49 2005
From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson)
Date: Fri Apr  8 01:00:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Mounting CB radio in car?
Message-ID: <pete+usenet-D17B34.21574907042005@news.cesmail.net>

This may sound like a somewhat odd request, but I figured I'd have as 
much hope at finding an answer here as anywhere...

I have a 2003 Honda Insight. I also have a RadioShack car-mountable CB 
radio. I would like to combine the two, so as to have the radio mounted 
permanently in the vehicle with a permanently-mounted external antenna.

Obviously, installing such a radio for this type of car is most unusual, 
and Google searches have returned no relevant results.

I would be able to do most of the in-car installation myself, but would 
prefer to have any drilling of the car body to be done by a professional 
so as to avoid any messy problems, leaks, etc.

Mounting the radio underneath the dash is an option, but vertical space 
for one's feet is somewhat limited and the radio would definitely 
impinge on that room. Mounting under the center of the dash would render 
the cupholders useless, which is unacceptable. The gear-shift lever (for 
an auto transmission), emergency brake, and little coin-holding bucket 
occupy the room between the seats. Mounting on the ceiling would be a 
possibility, but may interfere with headroom or visibility of the 
rearview mirror.

Any suggestions on where to install the radio and how to go about doing 
the actual installation?

Cheers!

-- 
Pete Stephenson
HeyPete.com
From notgiven at nodomain.net  Fri Apr  8 08:18:16 2005
From: notgiven at nodomain.net (C. S.)
Date: Fri Apr  8 07:20:07 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Mounting CB radio in car?
References: <pete+usenet-D17B34.21574907042005@news.cesmail.net>
Message-ID: <ltoc519v8kug7n4p5mgfalqrt7rb2d5hjm@4ax.com>

Sometime around Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:57:49 -0700, Pete Stephenson <pete+usenet@heypete.com>
deemed it necessary to offer:

> This may sound like a somewhat odd request, but I figured I'd have as 
> much hope at finding an answer here as anywhere...
> 

Odd indeed, since your technical savvy has been demonstrated
well in the past...     :-)

> I have a 2003 Honda Insight. I also have a RadioShack car-mountable CB 
> radio. I would like to combine the two, so as to have the radio mounted 
> permanently in the vehicle with a permanently-mounted external antenna.
> 
> Obviously, installing such a radio for this type of car is most unusual, 
> and Google searches have returned no relevant results.
> 
> I would be able to do most of the in-car installation myself, but would 
> prefer to have any drilling of the car body to be done by a professional 
> so as to avoid any messy problems, leaks, etc.
> 
> Mounting the radio underneath the dash is an option, but vertical space 
> for one's feet is somewhat limited and the radio would definitely 
> impinge on that room. Mounting under the center of the dash would render 
> the cupholders useless, which is unacceptable. The gear-shift lever (for 
> an auto transmission), emergency brake, and little coin-holding bucket 
> occupy the room between the seats. Mounting on the ceiling would be a 
> possibility, but may interfere with headroom or visibility of the 
> rearview mirror.
> 
> Any suggestions on where to install the radio and how to go about doing 
> the actual installation?
> 
> Cheers!

Judging by the images I'm able to find of the car's interior,
it would appear that the best location may be inside or
under the passenger-side glove box. Or similarly, mounted
sideways to one side of the console next to the radio.

Depending on the CB's dimensions, you might consider squeezing
it into an unconventional spot, such as between a seat and the
center console.

Is an external antenna a must? I'm aware of splitters/adapters
which allow connecting a standard radio and a CB to a typical
auto antenna. This would eliminate any exterior drilling or other
cutting, though I don't know if this leads to any sort of range/
performance loss of either device.

I know that budget is typically an issue for you; given that, have
you considered a unit that has all operating controls in the mike
with a main unit that mounts under a seat or other out-of-the-way
location(provided they're still even available)?
From devnull at spamcop.net  Fri Apr  8 08:36:36 2005
From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince)
Date: Fri Apr  8 07:40:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Mounting CB radio in car?
References: <pete+usenet-D17B34.21574907042005@news.cesmail.net>
	<ltoc519v8kug7n4p5mgfalqrt7rb2d5hjm@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <d35qd7$6tl$1@news.spamcop.net>

Once owned a business that did this type of work.  send me a link to a
picture of the driver/passenger area (brother_rabbit @ hotmail.com)

As to the antenna should not be a problem.  again can you send me a pict of
the front and rear of the car.

More later as I'm out the door until late this evening.

FP

"C. S." <notgiven@nodomain.net> wrote in message
news:ltoc519v8kug7n4p5mgfalqrt7rb2d5hjm@4ax.com...
| Sometime around Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:57:49 -0700, Pete Stephenson
<pete+usenet@heypete.com>
| deemed it necessary to offer:
|
| > This may sound like a somewhat odd request, but I figured I'd have as
| > much hope at finding an answer here as anywhere...
| >
|
| Odd indeed, since your technical savvy has been demonstrated
| well in the past...     :-)
|
| > I have a 2003 Honda Insight. I also have a RadioShack car-mountable CB
| > radio. I would like to combine the two, so as to have the radio mounted
| > permanently in the vehicle with a permanently-mounted external antenna.
| >
| > Obviously, installing such a radio for this type of car is most unusual,
| > and Google searches have returned no relevant results.
| >
| > I would be able to do most of the in-car installation myself, but would
| > prefer to have any drilling of the car body to be done by a professional
| > so as to avoid any messy problems, leaks, etc.
| >
| > Mounting the radio underneath the dash is an option, but vertical space
| > for one's feet is somewhat limited and the radio would definitely
| > impinge on that room. Mounting under the center of the dash would render
| > the cupholders useless, which is unacceptable. The gear-shift lever (for
| > an auto transmission), emergency brake, and little coin-holding bucket
| > occupy the room between the seats. Mounting on the ceiling would be a
| > possibility, but may interfere with headroom or visibility of the
| > rearview mirror.
| >
| > Any suggestions on where to install the radio and how to go about doing
| > the actual installation?
| >
| > Cheers!
|
| Judging by the images I'm able to find of the car's interior,
| it would appear that the best location may be inside or
| under the passenger-side glove box. Or similarly, mounted
| sideways to one side of the console next to the radio.
|
| Depending on the CB's dimensions, you might consider squeezing
| it into an unconventional spot, such as between a seat and the
| center console.
|
| Is an external antenna a must? I'm aware of splitters/adapters
| which allow connecting a standard radio and a CB to a typical
| auto antenna. This would eliminate any exterior drilling or other
| cutting, though I don't know if this leads to any sort of range/
| performance loss of either device.
|
| I know that budget is typically an issue for you; given that, have
| you considered a unit that has all operating controls in the mike
| with a main unit that mounts under a seat or other out-of-the-way
| location(provided they're still even available)?



From pete+usenet at heypete.com  Fri Apr  8 11:01:03 2005
From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson)
Date: Fri Apr  8 13:05:20 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Mounting CB radio in car?
References: <pete+usenet-D17B34.21574907042005@news.cesmail.net>
	<ltoc519v8kug7n4p5mgfalqrt7rb2d5hjm@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <pete+usenet-71972D.10010308042005@news.cesmail.net>

In article <ltoc519v8kug7n4p5mgfalqrt7rb2d5hjm@4ax.com>,
 C. S. <notgiven@nodomain.net> wrote:

> Odd indeed, since your technical savvy has been demonstrated
> well in the past...     :-)

*snerk*

I may have knowledge about a specific range of things, but I lack 
knowledge in many (most?) things. I may know how the microchips and 
circuits in the radio cause it to transmit radio waves, but I have no 
idea how the heck to effectively attach it to the vehicle. :-P

> Judging by the images I'm able to find of the car's interior,
> it would appear that the best location may be inside or
> under the passenger-side glove box. Or similarly, mounted
> sideways to one side of the console next to the radio.

Hmm. Inside the glove box (who keeps gloves in there anyway?) is out, as 
there's presently a fire extinguisher, some chemlights, trauma shears, 
latex gloves, and a three pound bag of change (for bridge tolls). 
Underneath might work -- I'll have to check to see how much room is 
available.

> Depending on the CB's dimensions, you might consider squeezing
> it into an unconventional spot, such as between a seat and the
> center console.

The console is somewhat sloped -- it has a flat top for the emergency 
brake and change-holding bin, but it is angled as it goes down to the 
seats. Still, that's a definite possibility. I just need to find out 
what lies underneath the carpet.

The radio appears to be similar in size and design to 
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00004VXNZ/102-1636337-225
8508?v=glance&vi=pictures&img=14>, though the controls and microphone 
are of a different style. Mine has lots less whiz-bang features.

> Is an external antenna a must? I'm aware of splitters/adapters
> which allow connecting a standard radio and a CB to a typical
> auto antenna. This would eliminate any exterior drilling or other
> cutting, though I don't know if this leads to any sort of range/
> performance loss of either device.

If it could be connected to the standard car antenna without a 
significant loss in gain or range, I would be most satisfied. It would 
maintain the overall lines of my car.

However, I note that most CB antennas are at least three feet long. 
Presumably this is for the benefit of the radio waves which are quite 
low frequency. I'm not sure how much having a shorter antenna would 
affect this.

> I know that budget is typically an issue for you; given that, have
> you considered a unit that has all operating controls in the mike
> with a main unit that mounts under a seat or other out-of-the-way
> location(provided they're still even available)?

Alas, I only have this unit and can't really afford a new one. And yes, 
budget is an issue for me. I do have a credit card, but I don't want to 
use it anymore. In fact, I've locked it in the safe so I can't use it 
when I'm out and about. So far, it's saved me from a few temptations. :-P

I really need to start saving some money up, particularly when my 
expenses are low.

-- 
Pete Stephenson
HeyPete.com
From noah.boddie at newsgroup.nospam  Fri Apr  8 18:41:48 2005
From: noah.boddie at newsgroup.nospam (Dwayne Conyers)
Date: Fri Apr  8 17:45:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Mounting CB radio in car?
References: <pete+usenet-D17B34.21574907042005@news.cesmail.net>
Message-ID: <d36tqs$qt8$1@news.spamcop.net>

I had a CB in my car in the 1980's... I was a kid out of school in Texas and 
CB was the big thing.

I found an antenna that combined AM/FM/CB (basically, the CB part was an 
extension on top of a regular antenna.  I haven't seen these in ages but 
perhaps you can find one in Radio Shack or an auto parts store?

A guy who lived nearby put two long CB antennas on the front bumpers of his 
car and tied them in an arc to his rear bumper... not very aesthetic and 
looked dangerous.  :-{

In terms of the radio, my car (Renault Alliance) had no empty space under 
the radio console (all of my subsequent vehicles did have that empty space 
and it was simply used to hold coins, LOL).  :-)

For the Alliance, I drilled holes on the passenger side and mounted there. 
My rare passengers were a bit uncomfortable, but for those long lonely 
drives on the TX highway, it was perfect for me.

-- 
I Shave With Occams Razor
http://www.dwacon.com 


From rcarlton at spamcop.net  Fri Apr  8 22:37:41 2005
From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton)
Date: Sat Apr  9 00:40:06 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Mounting CB radio in car?
In-Reply-To: <pete+usenet-D17B34.21574907042005@news.cesmail.net>
References: <pete+usenet-D17B34.21574907042005@news.cesmail.net>
Message-ID: <d37m6l$7e7$2@news.spamcop.net>

Pete Stephenson wrote:
> Any suggestions on where to install the radio and how to go about doing 
> the actual installation?


Does thee haandset for the CB act as a remote for the head unit?

If so, what about under one of the seats?

Also, does the Insight support Bluetooth?   Might be a way to 
trunk-mount the CB withaa Bluetooth transmitter and use the existing 
radio as the front-end.
From rcarlton at spamcop.net  Fri Apr  8 22:40:08 2005
From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton)
Date: Sat Apr  9 00:45:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Question on weg site process
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Frog Prince wrote:
> Perhaps I was not clear.  They have a web site host but need a simple way to
> transfer the proofs from their studio computer to the web site that is KISS
> compliant.

Been somewhat busy for a few days, wondering what you decided.

If they are using Dreamweaver MX 2004, it has built-in FTP support for 
publishing the site.  So, if they developed a template forr their 
customer proof gallery, they could place the images onto the page, hit 
the Publish button, and voila.

This doesn't solve the maanaged access issue.



From wb8tyw at qsl.network  Sat Apr  9 02:41:21 2005
From: wb8tyw at qsl.network (John E. Malmberg)
Date: Sat Apr  9 01:45:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Mounting CB radio in car?
In-Reply-To: <pete+usenet-71972D.10010308042005@news.cesmail.net>
References: <pete+usenet-D17B34.21574907042005@news.cesmail.net>
	<ltoc519v8kug7n4p5mgfalqrt7rb2d5hjm@4ax.com>
	<pete+usenet-71972D.10010308042005@news.cesmail.net>
Message-ID: <d37pu1$99d$1@news.spamcop.net>

Pete Stephenson wrote:

> The radio appears to be similar in size and design to 
> <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00004VXNZ/102-1636337-225
> 8508?v=glance&vi=pictures&img=14>, though the controls and microphone 
> are of a different style. Mine has lots less whiz-bang features.

If you are not attached to that particular radio, there are models that 
allow everything to be controlled by the microphone, including an LED 
display in it.  This allows the rest of the radio to be anywhere that 
you want.

Small CB radios can also be found that can mount almost anywhere.  The 
main difference in them is the quality of the receiver.  The rest of the 
specifications are set by regulations, so are pretty close to the same 
for all models.

Oh, I see below that cost is an object.

> If it could be connected to the standard car antenna without a 
> significant loss in gain or range, I would be most satisfied. It would 
> maintain the overall lines of my car.
> 
> However, I note that most CB antennas are at least three feet long. 
> Presumably this is for the benefit of the radio waves which are quite 
> low frequency. I'm not sure how much having a shorter antenna would 
> affect this.

If you want the maximum range, you will put a 102 inch full size whip in 
the exact center of your car, and make sure that you have a good ground.

Follow that by putting the 102 inch full size whip anywhere else on the car.

Anything else will give you less range both on transmit or receive.  I 
am not sure how much of a reduction that you will get by using a signal 
trap/splitter to share the car antenna.

Generally the models that I have seen (and this was a while ago) were 
more expensive than just getting a separate antenna.

The 102 inch whip antenna may also be the lowest cost option.  It's size 
is the major hassle.

On older cars, bumper clamp mounts where you make sure that a ground is 
well connected, will usually make the best compromise if you do not feel 
like drilling a hole in the top of your vehicle.

The farther away from the center of the vehicle that you put the 
antenna, the more distorted the pattern of a chart of maximum effective 
range will be.

On newer cars, what I have found is a trip to the hardware store will 
show up some metal brackets that can be bolted on the bottom of the car 
to extend out just a little behind the plastic bumper.  And then the 
antenna can be bolted to that.  When you sell the car, everything can be 
removed with no evidence that an antenna was ever there.

If I where more clever, I would rig up a fold over mount that would 
retract under the bumper, motorized of course, so that the antenna would 
be hidden or safely stored when I did not want it to be seen.

Because a full size whip is usually too big for aesthetics, the next 
best choice that use to be available was a half size white fiberglass 
whip. The antenna wire is embedded in a visible spiral on the antenna.

The big disadvantage of that type of fiberglass whip is that it is not 
flexible.  A trip through a car wash or other impact can destroy the 
antenna.  Or the impact with the ceiling of a car repair bay.

IIRC: full size whip and the 1/2 size fiber glass whip both use the same 
mount, and quick disconnects were available.

The antenna length includes a spring which does not seem to do much as 
it is very stiff.  Removing the spring makes it about the right length 
for 10M Amateur Radio communication.  As near as I can tell the spring 
is mainly for looks.

 From this point on you can go with shorter antennas which will have a 
"load" coil to make them electrically equivalent to the longer antenna. 
  They will not have the range of the other antennas as the length of 
the radiating element is the major factor.

This allows a model known as a flip trunk mount, which mounts inside the 
trunk, and flips out when needed, but can be folded down when you either 
do not want the antenna to be seen or damaged.

Magnetic mount antennas are also available.

One thing to look at when purchasing antennas for CB radios is that 
there are also commercial and amateur radio services that can use the 
same antenna designs.

You will find that some designs are only sold to CB radio operators, who 
are the least likely to understand what they are buying.

Also if you really want the maximum range for a given antenna, you will 
need to tune it either by adjusting the length or the control on the 
matching network.  The easiest way to measure the adjustments is by 
watching the signal strength of incoming signals as you make adjustments.

For more advanced, an impedance bridge is used, but that also requires 
transmitting a small signal.

You also have to consider that the best that you will probably get with 
vehicle to vehicle communications is about 8 to 10 miles, and that most 
people are going to be using the popular loading coil models.  So you 
will probably be able to get about a 5 mile range with most antennas.

The big range limiters are that you are close to the ground, and your 
vehicle is not well grounded.

> Alas, I only have this unit and can't really afford a new one. And yes, 
> budget is an issue for me. I do have a credit card, but I don't want to 
> use it anymore. In fact, I've locked it in the safe so I can't use it 
> when I'm out and about. So far, it's saved me from a few temptations. :-P

In some areas, all you need to do is let the people around you know that 
you are interested in a used CB or similar used electrical gadget, and 
things just show up that people want to get rid of.  About the only used 
CB sets that have any real cash value are SSB models, or ones that 
people would buy because of marketing hype.

> I really need to start saving some money up, particularly when my 
> expenses are low.

For a home CB or 10M Amateur antenna, the best omni-directional that I 
have found so far is a home-made folded dipole made out of TV twin-lead 
and then stretched vertically with an RG59 balun.

I have not figured out how to mount something like that on a passenger 
vehicle, as it is about 18' in length.

-John
wb8tyw@qsl.network
Personal Opinion Only
From devnull at spamcop.net  Sat Apr  9 12:27:32 2005
From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince)
Date: Sat Apr  9 11:30:22 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Question on weg site process
References: <d2mbr7$1ng$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns962C5B90E851Dblammo@216.154.195.61> <d2nbeo$j2q$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns962DA05462270blammo@216.154.195.61> <d2q995$2hk$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d2rscm$res$1@news.spamcop.net> <d2s0m4$tvi$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d2s2g8$uvk$1@news.spamcop.net> <d2s7m8$286$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d37mb8$7e7$3@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d38sb3$oug$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Rick Carlton"

| Frog Prince wrote:
| > Perhaps I was not clear.  They have a web site host but need a simple
way to
| > transfer the proofs from their studio computer to the web site that is
KISS
| > compliant.
|
| Been somewhat busy for a few days, wondering what you decided.
|
| If they are using Dreamweaver MX 2004, it has built-in FTP support for
| publishing the site.  So, if they developed a template for their
| customer proof gallery, they could place the images onto the page, hit
| the Publish button, and voila.
|
| This doesn't solve the managed access issue.

Dreamweaver MX4 cost would give them apoplexy not to mention scare then to
death trying to learn how to drive it.

As a temporary measure we're going to do manual updates for $10 per session
assuming no other maintenance or changes required.  Still looking for a
practical end user controlled process as I expect this to be an ongoing
requirement and the our time is more valuable (>$10) spent doing other
things.

We're also considering building into the site a guesstimate (10-15?) dead
pages that would be pass word access for them to used for loading current
clients proofs.


From nttp.sc.sg.fp at bigsleep.org  Sun Apr 10 00:42:12 2005
From: nttp.sc.sg.fp at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Sat Apr  9 19:45:02 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Question on weg site process
References: <d2mbr7$1ng$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns962C5B90E851Dblammo@216.154.195.61> <d2nbeo$j2q$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns962DA05462270blammo@216.154.195.61> <d2q995$2hk$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d2rscm$res$1@news.spamcop.net> <d2s0m4$tvi$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d2s2g8$uvk$1@news.spamcop.net> <d2s7m8$286$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d37mb8$7e7$3@news.spamcop.net> <d38sb3$oug$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <Xns9633A9F868577blammo@216.154.195.61>

On 09 Apr 2005 Frog Prince entered spamcop.geeks and left
news:d38sb3$oug$1@news.spamcop.net: 

> As a temporary measure we're going to do manual updates for $10 per
> session assuming no other maintenance or changes required.  Still
> looking for a practical end user controlled process as I expect this
> to be an ongoing requirement and the our time is more valuable (>$10)
> spent doing other things.
> 
> We're also considering building into the site a guesstimate (10-15?)
> dead pages that would be pass word access for them to used for loading
> current clients proofs.
> 

I don't have a lot of time myself, but if I had a URL I could advise or 
possibly write something useful. 
I'll enable this address for a couple days.

-- 
| Ric
|
From Ilgaz at spamcop.net  Sun Apr 10 15:43:14 2005
From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz Ocal)
Date: Sun Apr 10 07:45:02 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] 
	Re: SPEWS: A removal request of 222.233.52.0/24 (S3145)
References: <d0lvtc$o4b$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <Ilgaz-0C318A.14431410042005@news.spamcop.net>

Speaking about the uncountable (more than petabytes I think) Internet, 
you couldn't find a worse place to post this article.

That post looks like a terrible missed opportunity for April 1

I am not joining the flaming since I think your company doesn't deserve 
flaming even.

At least, thank you for making me buy spamcop account and support them 
that way...

One day, an army of lawyers will knock your door and believe me, they 
will take everything except your underwear.

You have no clue how evil those suits can be. You deserved it. Just a 
matter of time. Mark my word for future.

Ilgaz Ocal


In article <d0lvtc$o4b$1@news.spamcop.net>, <abuse@hanaro.com> wrote:

> This is Hanaro anti spam center.
> 
> Our customer's network 222.233.52.0/24 is currently listed in spews.org. We 
> fixed the spam problem in 222.233.52.0/24. 222.233.52.0/24 was listed in 
> SBL(Spamhaus.org), but was already delisted as soon as we fixed the problem 
> in this network.
> 
> We would like to ask spews administrator to remove 222.233.52.0/24 from 
> their list.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Abuse Staff
> abuse@hanaro.com
From Ilgaz at spamcop.net  Sun Apr 10 15:50:40 2005
From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz Ocal)
Date: Sun Apr 10 07:55:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Hardware for anti-spyware
References: <d22vie$k22$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <Ilgaz-B5E00A.14504010042005@news.spamcop.net>

In article <d22vie$k22$1@news.spamcop.net>, "DC" <hee.haw@jack.ass> 
wrote:

> Are there any hardware appliances that can be installed at the gateway to
> block spyware?  I know they have similar for spam and viruses.  Thanks.

I only know eSafe appliance, seek it on web.

I used their CPU monster "desktop" which was free back in the day, if it 
has not changed, we are speaking about pure dictatorship over clients 
here. :)

It was using a lot of CPU and I guess its not a problem in appliance.

Giving an example... User can NOT doubleclick an attachement in Outlook 
express. Also it will be immediately reported to admin to go and lecture 
user for 5 hours about viruses :)

I used it in, 2001 or 2000, I am NOT sure if it has changed. Better read 
whitepapers.

Also, thanks to reading spamcop technical reports :) I think they use 
http://www.ironport.com/ devices. I'd go for what spamcop uses.

Note, I am a home user only and never worked with those "big" stuff.

Ilgaz Ocal
From Ilgaz at spamcop.net  Sun Apr 10 15:53:32 2005
From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz Ocal)
Date: Sun Apr 10 07:55:06 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] 
	Re: SHEESH!  Is there anyone who doesn't outsource Tech Support?
References: <d2pne1$p96$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns962DA243D5037blammo@216.154.195.61>
Message-ID: <Ilgaz-FFA67F.14533210042005@news.spamcop.net>

In article <Xns962DA243D5037blammo@216.154.195.61>,
 Blammo <nttp.sc.s.g@bigsleep.org> wrote:

> On 03 Apr 2005 Heidz entered spamcop.geeks and left
> news:d2pne1$p96$1@news.spamcop.net: 
> 
> > So what do I do? Is installing a hard drive difficult for the
> > non-nerd? Alright, I'm semi-nerdy, but I've never done much more than
> > install software and memory.
> > 
> 
> Not really, but I think Gateway will do it for you, but you have to send 
> them the computer.
> 
> Otherwise a Google search for "install new hard drive" turns up all sorts 
> of sites like
> http://www.pcworld.com/howto/article/0,aid,47370,00.asp
> 
> Also I believe some harddrive manufacturers offer a utility that transfers 
> your data for you, seems that Gateway would offer some tool like this. 
> Seems that IBM or Maxtor had such a utility.
> 
> You are correct that once you remove the old drive there is not much you 
> can do. You will have to have both drives installed and transfer the data 
> over, before you can remove the old one.

Also Seagate (http://www.seagate.com), speaking about software 
support... I was checking my seagate drive from web, via activeX in 
Internet explorer back in my PC days.

Their documentation is general, not much shameless plugs and huge.

I check the site when I have a question about HD in general. 

Ilgaz Ocal
From Ilgaz at spamcop.net  Sun Apr 10 16:09:55 2005
From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz Ocal)
Date: Sun Apr 10 08:10:02 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Dealing with Idiots
References: <d1b0ge$t02$1@news.spamcop.net> <slrnd3ihjb.q8.nobody@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <Ilgaz-8EB395.15095510042005@news.spamcop.net>

After purchasing something I can'T remember from Allume (those Aladdin 
stuffit guys lost their name :)) I entered Ilgaz@spamcop.net to the web 
form which was needed, they aren't spammers btw...

I had a strange error as "Due to abuse from that domain, we aren't 
accepting any adresses"

So, it looks like a trend started or at least hit that company to give 
fake spamcop addresses, a childish way of protesting that form. It 
somehow hit me, a real customer of them. Imagine that.

I had to give Yahoo and it accepted.

Sorry, I thought it was normal for some reason and don't remember the 
exact thing.

Of course, some may hate that company but there is nothing to suggest 
that they are spamming anyone.

If I got mad to that point, I wouldn't give a fake address involving 
another company. There is a simple way. Do not use that product. :)

I think it may be relevant.

The attitude is (I guess) "If you try to spam me, you will spam spamcop 
admin so bad things will happen"

Spamcop became big name, having respect from community, I think its a 
side effect.

People think, when spamcop admin get spam mail, he does some high tech 
tricks and spammer machine blows :)

Have a nice day

Ilgaz Ocal

In article <slrnd3ihjb.q8.nobody@127.0.0.1>,
 Steven Maesslein <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

> On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:19:28 -0500, DC coughed into spamcop.geeks and
> left this in <d1b0ge$t02$1@news.spamcop.net>:
> 
> > If I wanted to attempt legal action, could it be possible to trace their
> > news postings or use the IP address captured by our web mail form to
> > identify the person?
> 
> I wouldn't bother. You're probably going to spend a lot of time and 
> effort only to find that the postings were made and your webform 
> accessed through an open proxy.
From Ilgaz at spamcop.net  Sun Apr 10 16:18:47 2005
From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz Ocal)
Date: Sun Apr 10 08:20:21 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] I need real usenet server (no bin needed)
Message-ID: <Ilgaz-44358D.15184710042005@news.spamcop.net>

Hi,

Back in the day, I was a frequent usenet user. Now moved to a cable ISP, 
they have no support for usenet and I thank god for it since they 
couldn't manage it already.

I searched web for "free usenet", only pirate stuff appears, in fact 
results are flooded by those "open nntp list" lame webpages and if there 
is something like that, I can't find already.

I used news.cis.dfn.de with a username/password generated to my legit 
mail (you can guess) but they are closed to people outside German 
academic network now (guess the reason!)

I don't need mp3, pictures etc. I want plain text. Is there a service 
like that for free?

The commercial ones speak about their DS-3 lines, super duper fastness 
etc and have price tags which costs more than spamcop mail.

As you may guess, the "service" they advertise is not usenet, its binary 
groups/files.

Hopefully someone knows such a server. BTW, those "open nntp" things are 
like open proxies, will be blocked from any seriously administered news 
server.

Ilgaz Ocal
From devnull at spamcop.net  Sun Apr 10 09:59:57 2005
From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince)
Date: Sun Apr 10 09:05:17 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: I need real usenet server (no bin needed)
References: <Ilgaz-44358D.15184710042005@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d3b895$1im$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Ilgaz Ocal" <Ilgaz@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:Ilgaz-44358D.15184710042005@news.spamcop.net...
| Hi,
|
| Back in the day, I was a frequent usenet user. Now moved to a cable ISP,
| they have no support for usenet and I thank god for it since they
| couldn't manage it already.
|
| I searched web for "free usenet", only pirate stuff appears, in fact
| results are flooded by those "open nntp list" lame webpages and if there
| is something like that, I can't find already.
|
| I used news.cis.dfn.de with a username/password generated to my legit
| mail (you can guess) but they are closed to people outside German
| academic network now (guess the reason!)
|
| I don't need mp3, pictures etc. I want plain text. Is there a service
| like that for free?
|
| The commercial ones speak about their DS-3 lines, super duper fastness
| etc and have price tags which costs more than spamcop mail.
|
| As you may guess, the "service" they advertise is not usenet, its binary
| groups/files.
|
| Hopefully someone knows such a server. BTW, those "open nntp" things are
| like open proxies, will be blocked from any seriously administered news
| server.
|
| Ilgaz Ocal

Try  news.excelonline.com   they're based in the USA, Texas I think, and
seem to be reasonabley reliable.

FP


From wb8tyw at qsl.network  Sun Apr 10 10:45:14 2005
From: wb8tyw at qsl.network (John E. Malmberg)
Date: Sun Apr 10 09:50:02 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Hardware for anti-spyware
In-Reply-To: <Ilgaz-B5E00A.14504010042005@news.spamcop.net>
References: <d22vie$k22$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Ilgaz-B5E00A.14504010042005@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d3bala$2q4$1@news.spamcop.net>

Ilgaz Ocal wrote:
> 
> Also, thanks to reading spamcop technical reports :) I think they use 
> http://www.ironport.com/ devices. I'd go for what spamcop uses.

Aside from Ironport's purchase of the spamcop.net reporting service, all 
the stuff that I have read indicates that the spamcop.net reporting 
service only uses open source software.

The mail service appears to be owned by a separate person, and I do not 
know what they use.

-John
wb8tyw@qsl.network
Personal Opinion Only
From MikeE at ster.invalid  Sun Apr 10 08:25:38 2005
From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter)
Date: Sun Apr 10 10:25:02 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: I need real usenet server (no bin needed)
References: <Ilgaz-44358D.15184710042005@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d3bctq$40k$1@news.spamcop.net>

Ilgaz Ocal wrote:
> I used news.cis.dfn.de with a username/password generated to my legit
> mail (you can guess) but they are closed to people outside German
> academic network now (guess the reason!)

news.cis.dfn.de is a very excellent news service.  It is also NIN, news
individual.net which is also a very excellent text news service which
was also free up until Apr 1, when it became a 'minimal' pay server, at
10 euros/year.  It may become an even more excellent news service,
because there are some distinct advantages to a news provider to require
some form of payment identity registration.

When NIN became pay and required using FirstGate to pay them, I started
'sampling' other free and nearly free news servers, some of which opened
themselves up to additional registrations temporarily to meet the needs
of people seeking free news as a result of NIN becoming pay.   Currently
I am using the free or nearly free versions of news.x-privat.org,
news.shared-secrets.com, news.readfreenews.net, and free.teranews.com on
a try it and see basis.

I think NIN at 10 euros a year is a good buy.
http://news.individual.net/  There are other good ones free or almost
free, where almost free is something like $3 forever.

-- 
Mike Easter
kibitzer, not SC admin

From Ilgaz at spamcop.net  Sun Apr 10 19:29:16 2005
From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz Ocal)
Date: Sun Apr 10 11:30:25 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: I need real usenet server (no bin needed)
References: <Ilgaz-44358D.15184710042005@news.spamcop.net>
	<d3bctq$40k$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <Ilgaz-8303D8.18291610042005@news.spamcop.net>

Hi,

Thanks for information. You can imagine the nightmare I had when I 
searched "usenet server" on yahoo. :)

Will check frog prince's too

Ilgaz Ocal
In article <d3bctq$40k$1@news.spamcop.net>,
 "Mike Easter" <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:

> Ilgaz Ocal wrote:
> > I used news.cis.dfn.de with a username/password generated to my legit
> > mail (you can guess) but they are closed to people outside German
> > academic network now (guess the reason!)
> 
> news.cis.dfn.de is a very excellent news service.  It is also NIN, news
> individual.net which is also a very excellent text news service which
> was also free up until Apr 1, when it became a 'minimal' pay server, at
> 10 euros/year.  It may become an even more excellent news service,
> because there are some distinct advantages to a news provider to require
> some form of payment identity registration.
> 
> When NIN became pay and required using FirstGate to pay them, I started
> 'sampling' other free and nearly free news servers, some of which opened
> themselves up to additional registrations temporarily to meet the needs
> of people seeking free news as a result of NIN becoming pay.   Currently
> I am using the free or nearly free versions of news.x-privat.org,
> news.shared-secrets.com, news.readfreenews.net, and free.teranews.com on
> a try it and see basis.
> 
> I think NIN at 10 euros a year is a good buy.
> http://news.individual.net/  There are other good ones free or almost
> free, where almost free is something like $3 forever.
From user at domain.invalid  Sun Apr 10 13:04:14 2005
From: user at domain.invalid (User)
Date: Sun Apr 10 13:05:06 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Netscape Web Mail Woes
Message-ID: <d3bm41$8ua$1@news.spamcop.net>

As if AOL/Netscape needs more problems. Now they just released a new web
mail product and when I send mail to myself, my mail server rejects it with:

>>>> 205.188.157.34 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net

Funny, but tragic to say the least.
From nobody at nowhere.invalid  Sun Apr 10 20:25:18 2005
From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein)
Date: Sun Apr 10 13:30:06 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Netscape Web Mail Woes
References: <d3bm41$8ua$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <slrnd5iobu.95c.nobody@127.0.0.1>

On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 12:04:14 -0500, User coughed into spamcop.geeks and 
left this in <d3bm41$8ua$1@news.spamcop.net>:

> As if AOL/Netscape needs more problems. Now they just released a new web
> mail product and when I send mail to myself, my mail server rejects it with:
>
>>>>> 205.188.157.34 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net
>
> Funny, but tragic to say the least.

It's blocked here too. It's been pouring 419 crap out.

-- 
Steve

guru, n:
        A computer owner who can read the manual.
From heybub at gmail.com  Sun Apr 10 15:37:29 2005
From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub)
Date: Sun Apr 10 15:40:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] 
	Re: SHEESH!  Is there anyone who doesn't outsource Tech Support?
References: <d2pne1$p96$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d3bv9h$dtn$1@news.spamcop.net>

Heidz wrote:
>
> So what do I do? Is installing a hard drive difficult for the
> non-nerd? Alright, I'm semi-nerdy, but I've never done much more than
> install software and memory.

Usually, not difficult. You will need a new hard drive, a screwdriver, and 
some cloning software.

The cloning software either comes with the drive or can be downloaded, 
usually, from the manufacturer's site.

1. Strap the new drive as a slave. Hook up two cables (data and power)
2. Load the software.
3. Clone your original drive to the new drive.
4. Disconnect the old drive.
5. Strap the new drive as the master.

6. (optional) You can now strap the original drive as "slave" as use to 
store temp files until it croaks for good.

None of the above works if you have a laptop.

You're fortunate - IDE drives last about three years (24/7).

(Fry's had a "Grand Opening" sale here this weekend. Hitachi 200GB drives 
for $60 (after rebates) )


From nobody at spamcop.net  Mon Apr 11 12:56:27 2005
From: nobody at spamcop.net (magus kent)
Date: Mon Apr 11 08:00:26 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: I need real usenet server (no bin needed)
References: <Ilgaz-44358D.15184710042005@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <Xns963550F0F8FE9maguskent@216.154.195.61>

Ilgaz Ocal <Ilgaz@spamcop.net> wrote in
news:Ilgaz-44358D.15184710042005@news.spamcop.net: 

> Hi,
> 
> Back in the day, I was a frequent usenet user. Now moved to a cable
> ISP, they have no support for usenet and I thank god for it since they
> couldn't manage it already.
> 
> I searched web for "free usenet", only pirate stuff appears, in fact 
> results are flooded by those "open nntp list" lame webpages and if
> there is something like that, I can't find already.
> 
> I used news.cis.dfn.de with a username/password generated to my legit 
> mail (you can guess) but they are closed to people outside German 
> academic network now (guess the reason!)
> 
> I don't need mp3, pictures etc. I want plain text. Is there a service 
> like that for free?
> 
> The commercial ones speak about their DS-3 lines, super duper fastness
> etc and have price tags which costs more than spamcop mail.
> 
> As you may guess, the "service" they advertise is not usenet, its
> binary groups/files.
> 
> Hopefully someone knows such a server. BTW, those "open nntp" things
> are like open proxies, will be blocked from any seriously administered
> news server.
> 
> Ilgaz Ocal

I've read about this one:

www.x-privat.org/join_en.php


m..
From Ilgaz at spamcop.net  Mon Apr 11 16:40:57 2005
From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz Ocal)
Date: Mon Apr 11 08:45:13 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: I need real usenet server (no bin needed)
References: <Ilgaz-44358D.15184710042005@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns963550F0F8FE9maguskent@216.154.195.61>
Message-ID: <Ilgaz-912763.15405711042005@news.spamcop.net>

In article <Xns963550F0F8FE9maguskent@216.154.195.61>,
 magus kent <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote:

> Ilgaz Ocal <Ilgaz@spamcop.net> wrote in
> news:Ilgaz-44358D.15184710042005@news.spamcop.net: 
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Back in the day, I was a frequent usenet user. Now moved to a cable
> > ISP, they have no support for usenet and I thank god for it since they
> > couldn't manage it already.
> > 
> > I searched web for "free usenet", only pirate stuff appears, in fact 
> > results are flooded by those "open nntp list" lame webpages and if
> > there is something like that, I can't find already.
> > 
> > I used news.cis.dfn.de with a username/password generated to my legit 
> > mail (you can guess) but they are closed to people outside German 
> > academic network now (guess the reason!)
> > 
> > Ilgaz Ocal
> 
> I've read about this one:
> 
> www.x-privat.org/join_en.php
> 
> 
> m..

Hi,

Have bought that "individual.net" for 10 euros/year. I was using it 
already and was happy with it. Sadly, I guess spammers abusing it made 
it non free for ordinary users.

Its news.cis.dfn.de to be exact. I see many spamcop people using it btw.

Maybe a team work between spamcop and them, e.g. promotion code would 
help both and of course we users.

Money goes to some academy, not a commercial company so I selected it.

Thanks for all help, it seems I really missed usenet :)

Ilgaz Ocal
From SCNews.5.myspamgobbler at spamgourmet.com  Mon Apr 11 21:19:46 2005
From: SCNews.5.myspamgobbler at spamgourmet.com (Brian (SnSR))
Date: Mon Apr 11 23:25:18 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] 
	Re: SHEESH!  Is there anyone who doesn't outsource Tech Support?
In-Reply-To: <d2s0jf$tv9$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <d2pne1$p96$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns962DA243D5037blammo@216.154.195.61> <d2rhap$lgj$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d2rr03$qne$1@news.spamcop.net> <d2s0jf$tv9$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d3fesd$7rs$1@news.spamcop.net>

Spamvireslayer wrote:
> "Rick Carlton" <rcarlton@spamcop.net> wrote in message
> news:d2rr03$qne$1@news.spamcop.net...
> 
>>Mechanically, it's not tough - though it can be intimidating the first
>>time. It's also empowering when you realize thhat aa PC reaally is just
>>a glorified toaster.
>>
>>The drive cables - both power and signal - are keyed so they only fit
>>the correct way.
> 
> 
> I could imagine that, but never having done it, I don't necessarily want to
> experience it the hard way!  We have a guy who has done geek stuff locally for us in
> our office, but at $85 an hour, prolly 2 hours, it'll cost more than the hard drive.
> 
>>And, if you'd like to save yourself the love of reinstalling, a copy of
>>Norton Ghost will take the entire old drive and clone it to the new one.
>>CompUSA has this for $20 after rebates - which if you amortize into time
>>saved, might be worth it.
> 
> 
> Might be worth it, but since I hosed up the last OS install, I wouldn't mind starting
> fresh.  My copy of ME blew up,  I tried to fix, no fix. Tried to reinstall, unable to
> reinstall, got a copy of 2K and installed that, unfortunately did not pick 'clean
> install' from the menu so I have two OS's on my pc right now.  Doesn't seem to be a
> problem, but I could happily lose all the ME crap.
> 
>>As a rule - for $60, you should be able to get at least a 120GB drive -
>>possibly after rebate.  CompUSA currently has a 160GB drive for $70,
>>which is close.
>>
>>Lastly, parts are parts.  There's no need to buy a new drive from
>>Gateway when you can generally do better for the same money at any of
>>the above mentioned stores.  Or newegg.com etc.
> 
> 
> The reason I went to Gateway is I don't want to mess about with compatibility
> problems, if I buy a new drive somewhere else and it doesn't work with the
> motherboard or something I'll be SOL, at least Gateway will be likely to send me
> something that will work.  I could upgrade my memory too, If it doesn't matter, then
> I might just look elsewhere.  Or splash out on a new PC.  There's those Dell thingies
> for $500 and change.......but with Dell you get India......
> 
> 

Here's something that I just ran across that you may find helpful, if 
you haven't already finished. There's a link on the page to a video of 
how to install a hard drive. The video is very professional and high 
quality ;). Well, maybe not, but it gets the points across.

www.lexundesigns.com/LexunFreeware/Topics/Installing%20a%20Second%20Hard%20Drive.htm 


You can get a 2.4 GHz with 256 MB RAM and 40 Gig HD for $300. Monitor is 
extra. You need to go to the small business section of Dell to find this 
deal. Well shoot, I just looked at the new catalog that arrived this 
afternoon and that deal went up a hundred bucks. But still not a bad 
deal. dell.com/shopdellbiz  E-VALUE code 64994-S40303q. Oh, I see why, 
it includes a 17" Monitor.

Holler if you need some help.

Brian
From nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org  Tue Apr 12 07:25:20 2005
From: nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Tue Apr 12 02:30:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] 
	Re: SHEESH!  Is there anyone who doesn't outsource Tech Support?
References: <d2pne1$p96$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns962DA243D5037blammo@216.154.195.61> <d2rhap$lgj$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d2rr03$qne$1@news.spamcop.net> <d2s0jf$tv9$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d3fesd$7rs$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <Xns9635EE54B7EA9blammo@216.154.195.61>

On 11 Apr 2005 Brian (SnSR) entered spamcop.geeks and left 
news:d3fesd$7rs$1@news.spamcop.net:

> Here's something that I just ran across that you may find helpful, if 
> you haven't already finished. There's a link on the page to a video of 
> how to install a hard drive. The video is very professional and high 
> quality ;). Well, maybe not, but it gets the points across.
> 

Here is a site with some nice pictures illustrating how to deal with a 
broken computer.
http://members.aol.com/spoons1000/break/index.html
Activity 4 details how to fix your existing harddrive.

BTW; if you have some scratched CDs, I can give you detailed instructions 
how to fix them, for good.
-- 
| Ric
|
From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net  Tue Apr 12 09:32:18 2005
From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy)
Date: Tue Apr 12 09:30:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Rejection 5.6.1
Message-ID: <d3gic4$po4$1@news.spamcop.net>

What does this mean?

Final-Recipient: rfc822;x@x
Action: failed
Status: 5.6.1
Diagnostic-Code: smtp;554 5.6.1 Body type not supported by Remote
Host

TIA

Miss Betsy



-- 



From MikeE at ster.invalid  Tue Apr 12 08:43:19 2005
From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter)
Date: Tue Apr 12 10:45:10 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Rejection 5.6.1
References: <d3gic4$po4$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d3gmmt$s0f$1@news.spamcop.net>

Miss Betsy wrote:
> What does this mean?
>

That is a delivery status notification.

> Final-Recipient: rfc822;x@x
> Action: failed
> Status: 5.6.1

= 'Media' not supported

> Diagnostic-Code: smtp;554 5.6.1 Body type not supported by Remote

554 5.6.1 = enhanced error code

Depending upon where you read, that can be caused by the receiving
filters being misconfigured or an 8 bit based conflict;  here're 2
examples of snippages:


Messages bounce with: "554 5.6.1 Body type not supported by Remote Host"
This occurs when mail is sent to a recipient with badly configured mail
filtering systems, and is mostly seen when using webmail. This bounce
message occurs when the receiving mailserver has a front-end filter
installed which tells us it supports 8 bit MIME characters and accepts
our message, but then cannot deliver the message to the backend server
because that does not support 8 bit MIME.
http://www.virtualnames.co.uk/faq.php3?id=8BITMIME

When you send messages that contain binary MIME (8bitmime) parts, you
receive the following text in an NDR:
554 5.6.1 Body type not supported by Remote Host.
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=895857


What was it you were trying to send, and what does the
Content-Transfer-Encoding line say?


-- 
Mike Easter
kibitzer, not SC admin

From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net  Tue Apr 12 12:42:51 2005
From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy)
Date: Tue Apr 12 12:45:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Rejection 5.6.1
References: <d3gic4$po4$1@news.spamcop.net> <d3gmmt$s0f$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d3gtqc$gb$1@news.spamcop.net>

"Mike Easter" <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote in message 
news:d3gmmt$s0f$1@news.spamcop.net...
>
> What was it you were trying to send, and what does the
> Content-Transfer-Encoding line say?
>

It was an ordinary email in OE, plain text.
I can't look at the message source right now.

Possibly because I pasted something from Word in the email?

Miss Betsy 


From Ilgaz at spamcop.net  Tue Apr 12 20:58:59 2005
From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz Ocal)
Date: Tue Apr 12 13:00:16 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Rejection 5.6.1
References: <d3gtqc$gb$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d3guoi$rn$1@news.spamcop.net>

On 2005-04-12 19:42:51 +0300, "Miss Betsy" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> said:

> "Mike Easter" <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:d3gmmt$s0f$1@news.spamcop.net...
>> 
>> What was it you were trying to send, and what does the
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding line say?
>> 
> 
> It was an ordinary email in OE, plain text.
> I can't look at the message source right now.
> 
> Possibly because I pasted something from Word in the email?
> 
> Miss Betsy

I bet it (OE) converted it to HTML for some reason and the recipient  
has filtered html mail.

You should check OE preferences to make sure it doesn't send html mail, 
it loves it :) I mean, in case you don't use styled (bold etc) text 
while you write.

I don't know the current version but I clearly remember they made 
entire usenet community mad defaulting the news  sending format to 
HTML. Yes it happened.

Have a nice day

Ilgaz Ocal

From me at privacy.net  Tue Apr 12 20:19:35 2005
From: me at privacy.net (Tom Cumming)
Date: Tue Apr 12 14:20:06 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: I need real usenet server (no bin needed)
In-Reply-To: <Xns963550F0F8FE9maguskent@216.154.195.61>
References: <Ilgaz-44358D.15184710042005@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns963550F0F8FE9maguskent@216.154.195.61>
Message-ID: <d3h3fk$5ah$1@news.spamcop.net>

On 11/04/05 12:56, magus kent wrote:

> I've read about this one:
> 
> www.x-privat.org/join_en.php

It works but its rather slow (not a patch on cis.dfn)
However, someone on another newsgroup pointed me in the direction 
of: http://poczta.gazeta.pl/poczta/0,0.html

It is actually a free email service (web and pop3), but they give 
you access to their news server (news.gazeta.pl) as an extra, 
using the same username/password as you use for your email account.

The site's in Polish mind, but once you've filled in the signup 
form (I found an online polish-english dictionary ;) ) it carries 
all the normal english-speaking newsgroup hierarchies.
From nobody at spamcop.net  Tue Apr 12 16:47:43 2005
From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat)
Date: Tue Apr 12 18:50:10 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] is anyone else having problems with the web?
Message-ID: <d3hj6d$dgm$1@news.spamcop.net>

seems like maybe the domain name servers are on strike - sometimes sites
will resolve, sometimes not and at any one time a site will resolve while at
the exact same time another won't so it's unlikely to be my connection...
thoughts?


From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net  Tue Apr 12 20:04:50 2005
From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy)
Date: Tue Apr 12 20:05:09 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Rejection 5.6.1
References: <d3gtqc$gb$1@news.spamcop.net> <d3guoi$rn$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d3hne3$fgv$1@news.spamcop.net>

<snip>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
 charset="Windows-1252"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409

That's what the message headers say.

There is something about 8bit there.  Who should I write to?  The
abuse desk of the person I am trying to email?

Miss Betsy


From MikeE at ster.invalid  Tue Apr 12 18:44:02 2005
From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter)
Date: Tue Apr 12 20:45:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Rejection 5.6.1
References: <d3gtqc$gb$1@news.spamcop.net> <d3guoi$rn$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d3hne3$fgv$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d3hpt8$h1a$1@news.spamcop.net>

Miss Betsy wrote:
> <snip>
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain;
>  charset="Windows-1252"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409

> That's what the message headers say.
>
> There is something about 8bit there.

Yep.  That's not what my OE headers say, which say I'm 7bit.

Content-Type: text/plain;
 charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

My mail plaintext sending configuration is -- International settings
button: Default encoding Western European ISO

But I haven't experimented with this issue to find out what I have to do
to cause 8bit to be in there.  That is, I don't know the answers to
these questions we are raising.

> Who should I write to?  The
> abuse desk of the person I am trying to email?

There's probably some configuration you could adopt which would solve
the problem, but you shouldn't have to do that.

The other thing you could do would be to temporarily change over to
base64 or uuencoding for the item to them.

At least I think that would work.  Those encoding schemes were designed
to use 7bit ascii.

-- 
Mike Easter
kibitzer, not SC admin

From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net  Wed Apr 13 00:24:53 2005
From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz)
Date: Tue Apr 12 23:30:06 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: is anyone else having problems with the web?
References: <d3hj6d$dgm$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d3i3jt$n3c$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Sylvesterthekat" <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:d3hj6d$dgm$1@news.spamcop.net...
> seems like maybe the domain name servers are on strike - sometimes sites
> will resolve, sometimes not and at any one time a site will resolve while
at
> the exact same time another won't so it's unlikely to be my connection...
> thoughts?

Comcast has apparently shit the bed too, for the second time in less than a
week, mail and web servers are both down.  I think there must be some major
failures going on.


From bitbucket at spamcop.net  Wed Apr 13 00:30:58 2005
From: bitbucket at spamcop.net (Heidz)
Date: Tue Apr 12 23:35:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] 
	Re: SHEESH!  Is there anyone who doesn't outsource Tech Support?
References: <d2pne1$p96$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns962DA243D5037blammo@216.154.195.61> <d2rhap$lgj$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d2rr03$qne$1@news.spamcop.net> <d2s0jf$tv9$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d3fesd$7rs$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d3i3va$n6s$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Brian (SnSR)" <SCNews.5.myspamgobbler@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message
news:d3fesd$7rs$1@news.spamcop.net...
> Here's something that I just ran across that you may find helpful, if
> you haven't already finished. There's a link on the page to a video of
> how to install a hard drive. The video is very professional and high
> quality ;). Well, maybe not, but it gets the points across.
>
>
www.lexundesigns.com/LexunFreeware/Topics/Installing%20a%20Second%20Hard%20D
rive.htm
>
>
> You can get a 2.4 GHz with 256 MB RAM and 40 Gig HD for $300. Monitor is
> extra. You need to go to the small business section of Dell to find this
> deal. Well shoot, I just looked at the new catalog that arrived this
> afternoon and that deal went up a hundred bucks. But still not a bad
> deal. dell.com/shopdellbiz  E-VALUE code 64994-S40303q. Oh, I see why,
> it includes a 17" Monitor.
>
> Holler if you need some help.

Saved, just in case........thanks.  Well, here's the thing.  While the
internet was down, again, I decided to use the GW utility to try to scan and
repair the drive. Last time it said "unrepairable errors" this time it moved
a bunch of stuff and said "disk repaired, drive is now error-free".   Why
didn't it do that last time, I wonder?  I'm suspicious, but plans to replace
it are on temporary hold, it might crap out at any second.. ;)


From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net  Wed Apr 13 04:17:06 2005
From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy)
Date: Wed Apr 13 04:15:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Rejection 5.6.1
References: <d3gtqc$gb$1@news.spamcop.net> <d3guoi$rn$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d3hne3$fgv$1@news.spamcop.net> <d3hpt8$h1a$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d3ik93$uq2$1@news.spamcop.net>

"Mike Easter" <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote in message
news:d3hpt8$h1a$1@news.spamcop.net...
> Miss Betsy wrote:
> > <snip>
> > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > Content-Type: text/plain;
> >  charset="Windows-1252"
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
>
> > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409
>
> > That's what the message headers say.
> >
> > There is something about 8bit there.
>
> Yep.  That's not what my OE headers say, which say I'm 7bit.
>
> Content-Type: text/plain;
>  charset="iso-8859-1"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
> My mail plaintext sending configuration is -- International
settings
> button: Default encoding Western European ISO
>
> But I haven't experimented with this issue to find out what I
have to do
> to cause 8bit to be in there.  That is, I don't know the answers
to
> these questions we are raising.
>
> > Who should I write to?  The
> > abuse desk of the person I am trying to email?
>
> There's probably some configuration you could adopt which would
solve
> the problem, but you shouldn't have to do that.
>
> The other thing you could do would be to temporarily change over
to
> base64 or uuencoding for the item to them.
>

It is cut and pasting from MS Word that causes the 8bit.  If I have
composed in the email, it is 7bit, but if I have cut and pasted
from Word it is 8 bit.

Thanks a lot!  I never would have discovered that!

Miss Betsy



From Ilgaz at spamcop.net  Wed Apr 13 12:13:26 2005
From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz Ocal)
Date: Wed Apr 13 04:15:09 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: is anyone else having problems with the web?
References: <d3i3jt$n3c$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d3ikb6$upv$1@news.spamcop.net>

On 2005-04-13 06:24:53 +0300, "Heidz" <devnull@devnull.spamcop.net> said:

> 
> "Sylvesterthekat" <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote in message
> news:d3hj6d$dgm$1@news.spamcop.net...
>> seems like maybe the domain name servers are on strike - sometimes sites
>> will resolve, sometimes not and at any one time a site will resolve while
> at
>> the exact same time another won't so it's unlikely to be my connection...
>> thoughts?
> 
> Comcast has apparently shit the bed too, for the second time in less than a
> week, mail and web servers are both down.  I think there must be some major
> failures going on.

I can verify, just seen some posts on cable newsgroup on "real" usenet :)

I better steal and paste a legit looking solution ;)

Ilgaz Ocal
____
http://199.166.24.10/.servers/  (http://support.open-rsc.org/.servers/)
http://64.40.160.15/helpdesk/dns/

You can freely use any of these servers instead of Comcast's 
nameservers if you want to
be able to see ALL the domain names on the net, not just the ones in 
the US Government
controlled nameservers. You will, of course be able to see all the 
"old" domain names like
.com, but you'll also be able to see all the ORSC new top level domains, too.

199.166.28.10	(PS0.NS2.VRX.NET) - Atlanta, Ga 
199.166.29.3	(nl.public.rootfix.net) - Nederlands
199.166.31.3	(NS1.QUASAR.NET) - Orlando, FL, USA
199.5.157.128	(ASLAN.OPEN-RSC.ORG) - Detroit, MI, USA

Also working:
4.2.2.1	(vnsc-pri.sys.gtei.net)
4.2.2.2	(vnsc-bak.sys.gtei.net)
199.166.24.1	[ns1.vrx.net]
204.80.125.130	[pine.higgs.net]

Software (freeware) for those who want to do it the hard way...
'TreeWalk DNS' is a Domain Name Server program which fetches and 
converts Web Site
human readable names into the numbered addresses your computer needs so 
that your
browser, email, icq, and ftp programs can surf the Web. For Microsoft 
Windows? XP /
2000 /.NET /2003 workstations or servers.
http://64.202.167.122  (http://ntcanuck.com/)

From nobody at spamcop.net  Wed Apr 13 08:17:48 2005
From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat)
Date: Wed Apr 13 10:20:05 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: is anyone else having problems with the web?
References: <d3i3jt$n3c$1@news.spamcop.net> <d3ikb6$upv$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d3j9m9$9hd$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Ilgaz Ocal" <Ilgaz@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:d3ikb6$upv$1@news.spamcop.net...
 > > "Sylvesterthekat" <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote in message
> > news:d3hj6d$dgm$1@news.spamcop.net...
> >> seems like maybe the domain name servers are on strike - sometimes
sites
> >> will resolve, sometimes not and at any one time a site will resolve
while
> > at
> >> the exact same time another won't so it's unlikely to be my
connection...
> >> thoughts?
> >
> > Comcast has apparently shit the bed too, for the second time in less
than a
> > week, mail and web servers are both down.  I think there must be some
major
> > failures going on.
>
> I can verify, just seen some posts on cable newsgroup on "real" usenet :)
>
> I better steal and paste a legit looking solution ;)
>
> Ilgaz Ocal

> Software (freeware) for those who want to do it the hard way...
> 'TreeWalk DNS' is a Domain Name Server program which fetches and
> converts Web Site
> human readable names into the numbered addresses your computer needs so
> that your
> browser, email, icq, and ftp programs can surf the Web. For Microsoft
> Windows® XP /
> 2000 /.NET /2003 workstations or servers.
> http://64.202.167.122  (http://ntcanuck.com/)

Cool thanks! I've downloaded it and if things start to muck about again I'll
for sure install it. Sounds like it may be worth installing anyway as it's
supposedly faster.


From nobody at spamcop.net  Wed Apr 13 08:18:50 2005
From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat)
Date: Wed Apr 13 10:20:17 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: is anyone else having problems with the web?
References: <d3hj6d$dgm$1@news.spamcop.net> <d3i3jt$n3c$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d3j9o8$9hn$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Heidz" <devnull@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:d3i3jt$n3c$1@news.spamcop.net...
>
> "Sylvesterthekat" <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote in message
> news:d3hj6d$dgm$1@news.spamcop.net...
> > seems like maybe the domain name servers are on strike - sometimes sites
> > will resolve, sometimes not and at any one time a site will resolve
while
> at
> > the exact same time another won't so it's unlikely to be my
connection...
> > thoughts?
>
> Comcast has apparently shit the bed too, for the second time in less than
a
> week, mail and web servers are both down.  I think there must be some
major
> failures going on.

Hmm, definitely sounds like there's a failure or more than one, somewhere.
Things are ok here at the moment but that thing that Ilgaz posted looks like
it may solve the problem if it crops up again. Although I assume that you
have to have a good connection at first for it to gather the info in the
first place.


From nobody at spamcop.net  Wed Apr 13 11:47:32 2005
From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo)
Date: Wed Apr 13 10:50:02 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: is anyone else having problems with the web?
References: <d3i3jt$n3c$1@news.spamcop.net> <d3ikb6$upv$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d3jbe5$ag7$1@news.spamcop.net>



Ilgaz Ocal wrote:
> You can freely use any of these servers instead of Comcast's
> nameservers if you want to
> be able to see ALL the domain names on the net, not just the ones in
> the US Government
> controlled nameservers. You will, of course be able to see all the
> "old" domain names like
> .com, but you'll also be able to see all the ORSC new top level
> domains, too.
>
> 199.166.28.10 (PS0.NS2.VRX.NET) - Atlanta, Ga

Couldn't connect to that one.

> 199.166.31.3 (NS1.QUASAR.NET) - Orlando, FL, USA

That one worked. Thx, saved for Sam Spade personal.


From bitbucket at spamcop.net  Wed Apr 13 23:22:23 2005
From: bitbucket at spamcop.net (Heidz)
Date: Wed Apr 13 22:30:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: is anyone else having problems with the web?
References: <d3hj6d$dgm$1@news.spamcop.net> <d3i3jt$n3c$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d3j9o8$9hn$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d3kkav$1fr$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Sylvesterthekat" <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:d3j9o8$9hn$1@news.spamcop.net...
>
> Hmm, definitely sounds like there's a failure or more than one, somewhere.
> Things are ok here at the moment but that thing that Ilgaz posted looks
like
> it may solve the problem if it crops up again. Although I assume that you
> have to have a good connection at first for it to gather the info in the
> first place.

Can you believe it's happening again tonight?  I guess they've decide to
shut the internet off at night or something.....


From Ilgaz at spamcop.net  Thu Apr 14 10:31:15 2005
From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz Ocal)
Date: Thu Apr 14 02:35:06 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: is anyone else having problems with the web?
References: <d3kkav$1fr$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d3l2nj$aq7$1@news.spamcop.net>

On 2005-04-14 05:22:23 +0300, "Heidz" <bitbucket@spamcop.net> said:

> 
> "Sylvesterthekat" <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote in message
> news:d3j9o8$9hn$1@news.spamcop.net...
>> 
>> Hmm, definitely sounds like there's a failure or more than one, somewhere.
>> Things are ok here at the moment but that thing that Ilgaz posted looks
> like
>> it may solve the problem if it crops up again. Although I assume that you
>> have to have a good connection at first for it to gather the info in the
>> first place.
> 
> Can you believe it's happening again tonight?  I guess they've decide to
> shut the internet off at night or something.....

Worse is, someone could take advantage of problems you live. E.g. 
distribute a trojan fixing stuff (!) etc.

Comcast is a big ISP if I know right.

Some people already suggest open proxies to surf web, in good will.

Ilgaz Ocal

From nobody at spamcop.net  Thu Apr 14 10:31:33 2005
From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat)
Date: Thu Apr 14 12:35:05 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: is anyone else having problems with the web?
References: <d3hj6d$dgm$1@news.spamcop.net> <d3i3jt$n3c$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d3j9o8$9hn$1@news.spamcop.net> <d3kkav$1fr$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d3m5t5$smp$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Heidz" <bitbucket@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:d3kkav$1fr$1@news.spamcop.net...
 > Can you believe it's happening again tonight?  I guess they've decide to
> shut the internet off at night or something.....

Probably the best time to fix something, if they're gonna fix it.  I never
got the opportunity to test whether it was the DNS cos it didn't fail again
after I wrote some IP addresses down.  I'm pretty sure that's what it was
though, the connection was fine otherwise.


From nobody at spamcop.net  Thu Apr 14 10:33:23 2005
From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat)
Date: Thu Apr 14 12:35:09 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] 
	Re: SHEESH!  Is there anyone who doesn't outsource Tech Support?
References: <d2pne1$p96$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns962DA243D5037blammo@216.154.195.61> <d2rhap$lgj$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d2rr03$qne$1@news.spamcop.net> <d2s0jf$tv9$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d3fesd$7rs$1@news.spamcop.net> <d3i3va$n6s$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d3m60k$snh$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Heidz" <bitbucket@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:d3i3va$n6s$1@news.spamcop.net...
 > Saved, just in case........thanks.  Well, here's the thing.  While the
> internet was down, again, I decided to use the GW utility to try to scan
and
> repair the drive. Last time it said "unrepairable errors" this time it
moved
> a bunch of stuff and said "disk repaired, drive is now error-free".   Why
> didn't it do that last time, I wonder?  I'm suspicious, but plans to
replace
> it are on temporary hold, it might crap out at any second.. ;)

Hmm... maybe next time disconnect from the internet before you try running
drive scanning/repairing tools. Sometimes running processes cause errors
when you do a disk scan and no doubt also interfere with repair procedures.


From nobody at spamcop.net  Thu Apr 14 14:36:33 2005
From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo)
Date: Thu Apr 14 13:48:55 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] 
	Re: SHEESH!  Is there anyone who doesn't outsource Tech Support?
References: <d2pne1$p96$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns962DA243D5037blammo@216.154.195.61> <d2rhap$lgj$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d2rr03$qne$1@news.spamcop.net> <d2s0jf$tv9$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d3fesd$7rs$1@news.spamcop.net> <d3i3va$n6s$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d3m60k$snh$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d3m9n3$ms$1@news.spamcop.net>



Sylvesterthekat wrote:
> Hmm... maybe next time disconnect from the internet before you try
> running drive scanning/repairing tools. Sometimes running processes
> cause errors when you do a disk scan and no doubt also interfere with
> repair procedures.

Absolutely. One time I was doing a full scale scan/repair/defrag of my 40 GB
HD at home and it takes a couple hours so I went out and ran errands,
expecting to get back to work on the puter when I got home. What I actually
got was a multi page error log that the process had started and stopped
umpteen million times without success because Atguard kept writing to a log
file on the HD every time someone port probed me, and that crashed the
routine ;-)

P.S. Close your email program too, close anything that might do *anything*.


From devnull at devnul.spamcop.net  Thu Apr 14 16:23:38 2005
From: devnull at devnul.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer)
Date: Thu Apr 14 15:25:25 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] 
	Re: SHEESH!  Is there anyone who doesn't outsource Tech Support?
References: <d2pne1$p96$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns962DA243D5037blammo@216.154.195.61> <d2rhap$lgj$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d2rr03$qne$1@news.spamcop.net> <d2s0jf$tv9$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d3fesd$7rs$1@news.spamcop.net> <d3i3va$n6s$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d3m60k$snh$1@news.spamcop.net> <d3m9n3$ms$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d3mg00$5ei$1@news.spamcop.net>


"indigo" <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote in message news:d3m9n3$ms$1@news.spamcop.net...
>
>
> Sylvesterthekat wrote:
> > Hmm... maybe next time disconnect from the internet before you try
> > running drive scanning/repairing tools. Sometimes running processes
> > cause errors when you do a disk scan and no doubt also interfere with
> > repair procedures.
>
> Absolutely. One time I was doing a full scale scan/repair/defrag of my 40 GB
> HD at home and it takes a couple hours so I went out and ran errands,
> expecting to get back to work on the puter when I got home. What I actually
> got was a multi page error log that the process had started and stopped
> umpteen million times without success because Atguard kept writing to a log
> file on the HD every time someone port probed me, and that crashed the
> routine ;-)
>
> P.S. Close your email program too, close anything that might do *anything*.

I have to disable everything, antivirus, Zone alarm, screensavers, etc, and without
Zone alarm running there is no way I'd be connected to the internet, so it's a sure
thing that I was disconnected from everything when I did it - it's a utility that you
start from a DOS via a system CD anyway.   Now there's noise coming from inside my
pc, might be a noisy fan or it's the disk rotation crapping out.  Why am I so
calm....


From kenbrody at spamcop.net  Fri Apr 15 13:39:42 2005
From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody)
Date: Fri Apr 15 12:45:12 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Equalizing MP3 volume
Message-ID: <425FEE4E.3DAECA4A@spamcop.net>

Does anyone here know of a (preferrably freeware/shareware) utility which
can equalize the volume of a set of MP3 files?  Specifically, I have a set
of recordings of teleconferences.  Some of them are recorded at a much
lower volume than the others.  I would like to burn a CD to listen on the
road, but if I crank up the volume enough to hear one file, I'll break
my eardrums when the other one starts.

Thanks.

-- 
+-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+
| Kenneth J. Brody        | www.hvcomputer.com |                             |
| kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com     | #include <std_disclaimer.h> |
+-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+
Don't e-mail me at: <mailto:ThisIsASpamTrap@gmail.com>

From nobody at spamcop.net  Fri Apr 15 14:11:38 2005
From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo)
Date: Fri Apr 15 13:15:06 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Equalizing MP3 volume
References: <425FEE4E.3DAECA4A@spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d3oska$bbr$1@news.spamcop.net>



Kenneth Brody wrote:
> Does anyone here know of a (preferrably freeware/shareware) utility
> which can equalize the volume of a set of MP3 files?  Specifically, I
> have a set of recordings of teleconferences.  Some of them are
> recorded at a much lower volume than the others.  I would like to
> burn a CD to listen on the road, but if I crank up the volume enough
> to hear one file, I'll break
> my eardrums when the other one starts.

I *could* help you......but I can't remember the name of the CD burning
software I have at home -- Nero's Ahead I think -- it came with my external
DVD-RW. It has an option to do exactly what you want to do, and it also has
an equalizer so you can boost or attenuate bass, midrange, and treble (about
10 frequencies) and some filters to get rid of hissing and pops (like from
an LP recording).


From TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com  Fri Apr 15 20:51:18 2005
From: TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com (Canopus)
Date: Fri Apr 15 15:55:06 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Equalizing MP3 volume
References: <425FEE4E.3DAECA4A@spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d3p5vl$fuv$1@news.spamcop.net>

Kenneth Brody wrote on 15/04/2005 17:39:42:-

> Does anyone here know of a (preferrably freeware/shareware) utility
> which can equalize the volume of a set of MP3 files?

Audacity http://audacity.sourceforge.net/about/  You may have to also
download the Lame Encoder Library, an optional free download to enable
full working with mp3 files.  The beauty of Audacity, besides it being
free, is that it doesn't install, just place the files where you want
them and click on the exe or make a short cut to it.

Rob
From nttp.sc.s at bigsleep.org  Fri Apr 15 22:10:59 2005
From: nttp.sc.s at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Fri Apr 15 17:15:07 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Equalizing MP3 volume
References: <425FEE4E.3DAECA4A@spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <Xns96399059FBE45blammo@216.154.195.61>

On 15 Apr 2005 Kenneth Brody entered spamcop.geeks and left
news:425FEE4E.3DAECA4A@spamcop.net: 

> Does anyone here know of a (preferrably freeware/shareware) utility
> which can equalize the volume of a set of MP3 files?

MP3Gain http://mp3gain.sourceforge.net/
Also see http://replaygain.hydrogenaudio.org/
I think I prefer Foobar2000 http://www.foobar2000.org/ which also includes 
ReplayGain.


-- 
| Ric
|
From nttp.sc.s at bigsleep.org  Fri Apr 15 22:57:02 2005
From: nttp.sc.s at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Fri Apr 15 18:00:46 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Equalizing MP3 volume
References: <425FEE4E.3DAECA4A@spamcop.net>
	<Xns96399059FBE45blammo@216.154.195.61>
Message-ID: <Xns96399828B2C40blammo@216.154.195.61>

On 15 Apr 2005 Blammo entered spamcop.geeks and left 
news:Xns96399059FBE45blammo@216.154.195.61:

> I think I prefer Foobar2000

Oops, correction, I found MP3Gain more useful for equalizing levels. It 
shows clipping levels, very nice, you just have to try it to see.

-- 
| Ric
|
From Ilgaz at spamcop.net  Sat Apr 16 02:13:12 2005
From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz Ocal)
Date: Fri Apr 15 18:15:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Equalizing MP3 volume
References: <425FEE4E.3DAECA4A@spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d3pe9n$lqb$1@news.spamcop.net>

On 2005-04-15 19:39:42 +0300, Kenneth Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> said:

> Does anyone here know of a (preferrably freeware/shareware) utility which
> can equalize the volume of a set of MP3 files?  Specifically, I have a set
> of recordings of teleconferences.  Some of them are recorded at a much
> lower volume than the others.  I would like to burn a CD to listen on the
> road, but if I crank up the volume enough to hear one file, I'll break
> my eardrums when the other one starts.
> 
> Thanks.

iTunes has that feature named "sound check", performs real fast as I 
saw it doing on 2300 mp3s.

The problem is, I use iTunes on OS X and not sure about windows one 
quality. It also loves to copy files to its own folder :)

I mean, for practical purposes.

Ilgaz Ocal

From TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com  Sat Apr 16 00:16:33 2005
From: TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com (Canopus)
Date: Fri Apr 15 19:20:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Equalizing MP3 volume
References: <425FEE4E.3DAECA4A@spamcop.net>
	<Xns96399059FBE45blammo@216.154.195.61>
Message-ID: <d3pi0g$nrr$1@news.spamcop.net>

Blammo wrote on 15/04/2005 22:10:59:-

> I think I prefer Foobar2000 http://www.foobar2000.org/ which also
> includes ReplayGain.

I was going to suggest that, but, I haven't put it back on my PC yet
after reformatting and couldn't remember whether it equalised mp3 files
during play or you could edit them and equalise them for playing on
anything.  I seem to remember it was the former, but, not sure now.
Have to put it back on.  Great player, about the only one that can play
shorten (shn) files.

Rob

From nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org  Sat Apr 16 01:47:16 2005
From: nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Fri Apr 15 20:50:07 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Equalizing MP3 volume
References: <425FEE4E.3DAECA4A@spamcop.net>
	<Xns96399059FBE45blammo@216.154.195.61> <d3pi0g$nrr$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <Xns9639B505169CDblammo@216.154.195.61>

On 15 Apr 2005 Canopus entered spamcop.geeks and left 
news:d3pi0g$nrr$1@news.spamcop.net:

> Blammo wrote on 15/04/2005 22:10:59:-
> 
>> I think I prefer Foobar2000 http://www.foobar2000.org/ which also
>> includes ReplayGain.
> 
> I was going to suggest that, but, I haven't put it back on my PC yet
> after reformatting and couldn't remember whether it equalised mp3 files
> during play or you could edit them and equalise them for playing on
> anything.  I seem to remember it was the former, but, not sure now.
> Have to put it back on.  Great player, about the only one that can play
> shorten (shn) files.
> 

It works pretty good, I think it does add the ReplayGain header to the 
files, but I would use the disk transport to write it to disk. I don't 
think it changes the actual level, not sure how well the header is 
supported.

Like I said (in my second post), I like MP3Gain better. I combined mp3s 
from several different albums, equalized the gain for each album, then 
combined the albums and equalized the overall gain, and created a (large) 
album to burn to disk. I was hoping to preserve the original level (in 
relation to original album level), but remove any clipping, and of course 
make the entire disk with overall equal levels. Took me a while to figure 
it out (had to read the help files) but I got very good results.
Also MP3Gain has a handy undo feature.

-- 
| Ric
|
From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net  Sat Apr 16 19:42:29 2005
From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Glenn Daniels)
Date: Sat Apr 16 18:45:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] encoded jscript spamitems
Message-ID: <d3s4bv$t0t$1@news.spamcop.net>

After six months of no spamitems containing
encoded jscript IFrame exploits, the perp has
surfaced again.

These are of no particular significance to most as the
scripts will only run in unpatched email clients with
open preview panes with jscript rendering enabled.

Evenso, the scripts seem always to point to
compromised servers which have been hacked, and
the ISPs providing hosting to the servers welcome
the courtesy notifies I provide them. Usually the
hacked sites are shut down, cleaned up and
secured within a few days

The hacked sites are often set to provide free
blind downloads of new Trojans, and the
antivirus mavens welcome the samples I
retrieve from the hacked servers and are
forthcoming with new AV definitions.

For those who actually happen across these
jscripts in the course of their spam reporting
activities, please post parse trackers in this
thread and I will retrieve samples using
the trackers. As "new" samples show up,
I will provide notifies to ISPs hosting the hacked
servers, retrieve samples of interest to
submit to SARC.

Because of the security issues involved, I may
or may not immediately post a meaningful
response to posted trackers but will look at
the samples offered for jscripts not already
investigated. I am not willing to expose to group
the embarrassment of the ISPs and hacked servers
involved, but I am agreeable to alerting the
parties with direct interest in the security of
the compromised servers. Also, I provide the
information to the FTC as they in turn may
have investigators with interest in the spamming
hacker(s).

Thanks,
Glenn


From nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org  Sun Apr 17 06:32:14 2005
From: nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Sun Apr 17 01:35:22 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: encoded jscript spamitems
References: <d3s4bv$t0t$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <Xns963AE5587F403blammo@216.154.195.61>

On 16 Apr 2005 Glenn Daniels entered spamcop.geeks and left 
news:d3s4bv$t0t$1@news.spamcop.net:

> These are of no particular significance to most as the
> scripts will only run in unpatched email clients with
> open preview panes with jscript rendering enabled.
> 

Jscript only works in Internet Explorer (somewhat in Opera), and any 
applications that use the MS HTML engine. That would be mainly Outlook 
Express. This encoding is a language that only IE understands.

Script Decoder - http://www.virtualconspiracy.com/
-- 
| Ric
|
From avoozl at spamcop.net  Sun Apr 17 07:34:27 2005
From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris F. Willoughby)
Date: Sun Apr 17 09:35:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] 
	Re: Goodbye, Old Friend... Computer Associate's E-Z Trust Anti-Virus
References: <41FD38E6.FBDEEA98@sonnic.net>
Message-ID: <d3toik$ktv$1@news.spamcop.net>

:-(

I still use it.. but I agree with you about their website. They fubar'd it.

Chris

"Bill Turlock" <"Bill Turlock"@sonnic.net> wrote in message 
news:41FD38E6.FBDEEA98@sonnic.net...
>
> It was with sadness that last night I removed Computer Associate's E-Z
> Trust Anti-Virus from my computer.
>
>
> I have been using their software to protect my computer since the late
> nineties. I started with their free Inoculate-It Personal Edition, and
> have had nothing but praise for their products. I had never had a virus
> get through, and only one false positive, in all that time!
>
> I had recommended it unequivocally to all my friends and family.
>
> When the free IPE was discontinued, I gladly paid their price for the
> new E-Z, and the $10.00/year for definition updates.
>
> Earlier this month I had received an e-mail notice that my yearly
> subscription was about to expire, and that I should go to their website
> to get it renewed.
>
> The website is a maze of twisty little passages, all alike, impossible
> for me to navigate, and in most places, nonfunctional for me. At one
> point, it wanted me to enter my CC number on a non-SSL page! And good
> luck on getting their on-line help desk function to work, it's a loop!
> Talk to a human? Ain't gonna happen.
>
> And... now, the yearly definition updates subscription has gone up to
> $20.00, and if that's not enough, they've gone over to the Dark Side...
> a preference box for e-mail offers permission on the order page is
> 'pre-checked'.
>
>
> It's just too much, and I'm not going to take it any more. I've
> researched my favorite forums for recommendations on the best free A/V,
> and AVG seems to come up tops most of the time, so last night I blew out
> E-Z and installed Grisoft's AVG.
>
> Goodbye, Old Friend.
>
> Bill 


From Ilgaz at spamcop.net  Mon Apr 18 02:31:40 2005
From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz)
Date: Sun Apr 17 18:35:39 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] 
	Re: Goodbye, Old Friend... Computer Associate's E-Z Trust Anti-Virus
References: <d3toik$ktv$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d3uo4d$59i$1@news.spamcop.net>

On 2005-04-17 16:34:27 +0300, "Chris F. Willoughby" <avoozl@spamcop.net> said:

> :-(
> 
> I still use it.. but I agree with you about their website. They fubar'd it.
> 
> Chris
> 
> "Bill Turlock" <"Bill Turlock"@sonnic.net> wrote in message 
> news:41FD38E6.FBDEEA98@sonnic.net...
>> 
>> It was with sadness that last night I removed Computer Associate's E-Z
>> Trust Anti-Virus from my computer.
>> 
>> 
>> I have been using their software to protect my computer since the late
>> nineties. I started with their free Inoculate-It Personal Edition, and
>> have had nothing but praise for their products. I had never had a virus
>> get through, and only one false positive, in all that time!
>> 
>> I had recommended it unequivocally to all my friends and family.
>> 
>> When the free IPE was discontinued, I gladly paid their price for the
>> new E-Z, and the $10.00/year for definition updates.
>> 
>> Earlier this month I had received an e-mail notice that my yearly
>> subscription was about to expire, and that I should go to their website
>> to get it renewed.
>> 
>> The website is a maze of twisty little passages, all alike, impossible
>> for me to navigate, and in most places, nonfunctional for me. At one
>> point, it wanted me to enter my CC number on a non-SSL page! And good
>> luck on getting their on-line help desk function to work, it's a loop!
>> Talk to a human? Ain't gonna happen.
>> 
>> And... now, the yearly definition updates subscription has gone up to
>> $20.00, and if that's not enough, they've gone over to the Dark Side...
>> a preference box for e-mail offers permission on the order page is
>> 'pre-checked'.
>> 
>> 
>> It's just too much, and I'm not going to take it any more. I've
>> researched my favorite forums for recommendations on the best free A/V,
>> and AVG seems to come up tops most of the time, so last night I blew out
>> E-Z and installed Grisoft's AVG.
>> 
>> Goodbye, Old Friend.
>> 
>> Bill

If you do quick and dirty hack of replacing https with http, it works?

Can't believe how many sites it worked ;)

Well I understand your other concerns and can't tell anything.

AVG is nice.

Ilgaz Ocal

From rwcs at spamcop.net  Mon Apr 18 11:54:35 2005
From: rwcs at spamcop.net (BMW)
Date: Mon Apr 18 10:55:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] FireFox Cookies
Message-ID: <d40hn9$vv5$1@news.spamcop.net>

My browser (FireFox 1.0.3) fails to accept the SpamCop cookie sometimes 
depending on its mood URL=mailsc.spamcop.net (Today not at all).  There 
is an added interference in that I use ZoneAlarm 5.5.062.011 which likes 
to "approve cookies".  My FireFox message is that my browser has failed 
to accept a cookie.  The cookie manager will let me add spamcop.net 
and/or www.spamcop.net to the allow list BUT it won't let me exit via 
the OK button if I have added anything, if I cancel or close cookie 
dialog window nothing is saved.  Often times if I use the webmail 
interface and then return to mailsc.spamcop.net things will be 
different.  Does anyone know how to fix this?

Thanks
Bob
From eddie at eddie.web  Mon Apr 18 14:37:59 2005
From: eddie at eddie.web (eddie)
Date: Mon Apr 18 13:40:06 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Verizon DSL
Message-ID: <pan.2005.04.18.17.37.58.408000@eddie.web>

I use speakeasy DSL as a backup to my cable connection. I have had it for
years, dating back to flashcom days. They went belly-up and their "Father"
Covad switched me over to speakeasy. The connection is an old-fashioned
384K and I recently noticed Verizon offering DSL for nearly 1/3 the
speakeasy price so I called them. Not only cheaper, but they claim 3 meg!
Well I am not counting megs, but the bucks are good, so I am in the
process of switching over. 
Verizon's modem is newer and includes a router but it only has an RJ-11
input and my present DSL uses RJ-45 on both ends. The box coming
into the house is RJ-45. 
Verizon was clueless when I called them. I guess I will have to make a
cable with RJ-45 on one end and RJ-11 on the other side. Only two wires
are used for the DSL input. I already have a box installed on the outside
of my house with a splitter and filters but Verizon expects me to use my
phone line to connect to their modem. Talk about thinking inside a box.
It should be interesting when the equipment comes, and if I do get 3M/s
for $30/month, it will be a fine backup system.
I was thinking of calling speakeasy and asking them if they would up my
speed to 3M and cut the price to $30, but I didn't want to embarass them.
If Verizon works, for the price I will be happy, since I rarely use it
anyway. Just another toy, I guess. But I once read that he who has the
most toys at the end is the winner :)
One thing: I don't expect the same tech service from Verizon as I get from
speakeasy, but again, it's really a secondary, backup system for when the
cable goes dead.
-- 
Once movie theaters gave out steak knives
Today they confiscate them
From devnull at spamcop.net  Mon Apr 18 15:53:34 2005
From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince)
Date: Mon Apr 18 14:55:19 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Verizon DSL
References: <pan.2005.04.18.17.37.58.408000@eddie.web>
Message-ID: <d40vp2$809$1@news.spamcop.net>


"eddie"
| I once read that he who has the most toys at the end is the winner :)

But he has the most toys to play with *right now* has more fun <g>


From eddie at eddie.web  Mon Apr 18 16:20:53 2005
From: eddie at eddie.web (eddie)
Date: Mon Apr 18 15:25:05 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Verizon DSL
References: <pan.2005.04.18.17.37.58.408000@eddie.web>
	<d40vp2$809$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <pan.2005.04.18.19.20.53.294000@eddie.web>

On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 14:53:34 -0400, Frog Prince scratched out the
following:

> 
> "eddie"
> | I once read that he who has the most toys at the end is the winner :)
> 
> But he has the most toys to play with *right now* has more fun <g>
So you're saying you gotta do both??? :)
-- 
Once movie theaters gave out steak knives
Today they confiscate them
From eddie at eddie.web  Mon Apr 18 16:22:02 2005
From: eddie at eddie.web (eddie)
Date: Mon Apr 18 15:25:12 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Adobe just bought Macromedia!
Message-ID: <pan.2005.04.18.19.22.00.230000@eddie.web>

A bit of a surprise but I think the end result will be good for users.
http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/breaking/breakingnewsarticle.asp?feed=OBR&Date=20050418&ID=4376197
I wonder how the support will be divvied up?

-- 
Once movie theaters gave out steak knives
Today they confiscate them
From nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org  Mon Apr 18 22:11:34 2005
From: nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Mon Apr 18 17:15:09 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: FireFox Cookies
References: <d40hn9$vv5$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <Xns963C907686269blammo@216.154.195.61>

On 18 Apr 2005 BMW entered spamcop.geeks and left 
news:d40hn9$vv5$1@news.spamcop.net:

> My browser (FireFox 1.0.3) fails to accept the SpamCop cookie sometimes 
> depending on its mood URL=mailsc.spamcop.net (Today not at all).  There 
> is an added interference in that I use ZoneAlarm 5.5.062.011 which likes 
> to "approve cookies".  My FireFox message is that my browser has failed 
> to accept a cookie.  The cookie manager will let me add spamcop.net 
> and/or www.spamcop.net to the allow list BUT it won't let me exit via 
> the OK button if I have added anything, if I cancel or close cookie 
> dialog window nothing is saved.  Often times if I use the webmail 
> interface and then return to mailsc.spamcop.net things will be 
> different.  Does anyone know how to fix this?
> 

Try deleting all cookies (be sure to exit Firefox) and starting over again. 
I don't know, but they could have changed the cookie file format which 
could cause the problem.
The Zonealarm Internet security crap can cause problems, I don't even see 
why you need that with Firefox. But the problem is you can't enable it for 
IE only. I pointed out the bugs to Zonealarm support, but they insist there 
aren't any.

-- 
| Ric
|
From devnull at spamcop.net  Mon Apr 18 18:02:09 2005
From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince)
Date: Mon Apr 18 17:15:16 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Verizon DSL
References: <pan.2005.04.18.17.37.58.408000@eddie.web>
	<d40vp2$809$1@news.spamcop.net> <pan.2005.04.18.19.20.53.294000@eddie.web>
Message-ID: <d417s1$cj8$1@news.spamcop.net>


"eddie"
| > | I once read that he who has the most toys at the end is the winner :)
| >
| > But he has the most toys to play with *right now* has more fun <g>

| So you're saying you gotta do both??? :)

As for me, I'm only worried about the toys I have to play with now, I'll
leave the determination of my toys after death to the Lord.


From devnull at spamcop.net  Mon Apr 18 18:18:09 2005
From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince)
Date: Mon Apr 18 17:20:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Epson C82 printers
Message-ID: <d4186m$d48$2@news.spamcop.net>

I have two C82 printers with one or more print heads dead.

Anyone want them they're available for the cost of shipping. (I have the CD
as well)

FP
brother_rabbit @ hotmail.com


From Ilgaz at spamcop.net  Tue Apr 19 11:16:30 2005
From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz)
Date: Tue Apr 19 03:20:07 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Epson C82 printers
References: <d4186m$d48$2@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d42b8d$vsb$1@news.spamcop.net>

On 2005-04-19 00:18:09 +0300, "Frog Prince" <devnull@spamcop.net> said:

> I have two C82 printers with one or more print heads dead.
> 
> Anyone want them they're available for the cost of shipping. (I have the CD
> as well)
> 
> FP
> brother_rabbit @ hotmail.com

Are you sure your print head is dead? Epson uses piezo electric 
printing tech. Tried cleaning etc?

Ilgaz

From nobody at spamcop.net  Tue Apr 19 15:04:50 2005
From: nobody at spamcop.net (TimeLord)
Date: Tue Apr 19 09:05:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] MX records
Message-ID: <d42vlt$a81$1@news.spamcop.net>

Hi all,

Can anyone recommend a good 'Idiots guide to mx records' and DNS Records 
generally.

Cheers,

Kev 


From devnull at spamcop.net  Tue Apr 19 11:05:04 2005
From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince)
Date: Tue Apr 19 10:10:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Epson C82 printers
References: <d4186m$d48$2@news.spamcop.net> <d42b8d$vsb$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d4336v$c4d$1@news.spamcop.net>

"Ilgaz"
|
| > I have two C82 printers with one or more print heads dead.
| >
| > Anyone want them they're available for the cost of shipping. (I have the
CD
| > as well)
| >
| > FP
| > brother_rabbit @ hotmail.com
|
| Are you sure your print head is dead? Epson uses piezo electric
| printing tech. Tried cleaning etc?

Yes.  I have the cleaning kit from an older Epson (uses the same ink) sadly
the cleaning process only works so many times.  Epson wants in excess of
$130 for new heads.  Since I can buy an equitant model for ~ $80.00 it's a
no brainer.

Looking at a Canon iP5000 (~$150 net) as it uses a *lot* less ink.  A quick
check of the prices suggest that Canon replacement parts may be much less
expensive than Epson.


From MikeE at ster.invalid  Tue Apr 19 08:51:17 2005
From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter)
Date: Tue Apr 19 10:50:06 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: MX records
References: <d42vlt$a81$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d435po$dmt$1@news.spamcop.net>

TimeLord wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a good 'Idiots guide to mx records' and DNS
> Records generally.

I don't know whatall you've read already or where you are starting from.
There are a lot of good treatises on DNS.  I recently discovered that
the wiki does a pretty good job^1.  It also has some links to
Bernstein's discussions^2 of mx/mail.

The wiki is being a little pokey for me today, and Bernstein's site
requires some back&forth.

^1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dns Domain Name System

^2 http://cr.yp.to/im.html Internet mail infrastructure - Moving a
message closer to a remote recipient


-- 
Mike Easter
kibitzer, not SC admin

From eddie at eddie.web  Tue Apr 19 15:05:24 2005
From: eddie at eddie.web (eddie)
Date: Tue Apr 19 14:10:06 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Verizon DSL
References: <pan.2005.04.18.17.37.58.408000@eddie.web>
Message-ID: <pan.2005.04.19.18.05.23.425000@eddie.web>

On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:37:59 -0400, eddie scratched out the following:
snip

OK, I have to make a faux RJ11 to RJ45 adapter in order to get the Verizon
modem to work. My "professional" DSL install uses RJ45; Verizon uses RJ11,
which is what most naive user would have.
My question is does the polarity matter on a Verizon modem? I have cut a
LAN cable and will attach an RJ11 to the end I cut off. I know which two
wires have the DSL signal, and on the old speakeasy modem I have the
polarity doesn't matter. I assume the new modem will be the same, but I do
know that on some telephones, the polarity does matter, so it's a small
possibility that the Verizon modem will only work with one polarity.
I phoned Verizon DSL support, but they are clueless. I finally found
one tech who knew the difference between RJ11 and RJ45. He actually dug up
a modem and told me that there was no RJ45 input - only the LAN output.
The input is RJ11.
I don't have the modem yet. It's in the mail. 
They are also telling me about some software on a CD that I have to load.
Geez, what for? It comes with free MSN pro, so maybe that's all it is. I
certainly hope I don't have to install some wacko software to get
Verizon's DSL to work. Maybe it's only for initiating the connection and
establishing the account.

-- 
Once movie theaters gave out steak knives
Today they confiscate them
From nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org  Tue Apr 19 19:19:16 2005
From: nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Tue Apr 19 14:20:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: MX records
References: <d42vlt$a81$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <Xns963D733FA3000blammo@216.154.195.61>

On 19 Apr 2005 TimeLord entered spamcop.geeks and left 
news:d42vlt$a81$1@news.spamcop.net:

> Hi all,
> 
> Can anyone recommend a good 'Idiots guide to mx records' and DNS Records 
> generally.
> 

Well, if you are trying to create records, and you are using BIND, I found 
this useful...
http://www.tech-recipes.com/bind_and_dns_tips305.html

Even if you aren't it still my be helpful.
-- 
| Ric
|
From none at domain.invalid  Tue Apr 19 13:57:55 2005
From: none at domain.invalid (Anonymous)
Date: Tue Apr 19 16:00:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Verizon DSL
References: <pan.2005.04.18.17.37.58.408000@eddie.web>
	<pan.2005.04.19.18.05.23.425000@eddie.web>
Message-ID: <d43nrh$nui$1@news.spamcop.net>

"eddie" <eddie [at] eddie.web> wrote in message 
news:pan.2005.04.19.18.05.23.425000@eddie.web...
> OK, I have to make a faux RJ11 to RJ45 adapter in order to get the 
> Verizon
> modem to work. My "professional" DSL install uses RJ45; Verizon uses 
> RJ11,
> which is what most naive user would have.

Easiest way to do that is to use Leviton RJ11 and RJ45 jacks. Use a 
short length of CAT5 and punch that down in the RJ45 jack. Then do the 
same for the RJ11 jack on the other end, wrapping the Brown - 
Brown/White wires around the CAT5 cable or simply snipping them (they're 
not used). Since the Leviton jacks are color coded, you can't really 
mess it up.

If your installer did it right, your DSL signal will come in on the 
Blue-Blue/White pair of the CAT5 used to carry phone. So, you just plug 
the RJ45 jack from the phone line coming into the house into your RJ45 
to RJ11 adapter, plug a regular phone line (or the cable provided by 
your DSL modem manufacturer) into the RJ11 jack, plug the other end into 
the DSL modem, and you're good to go.

From Ilgaz at spamcop.net  Wed Apr 20 00:37:06 2005
From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz)
Date: Tue Apr 19 16:40:10 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Epson C82 printers
References: <d4336v$c4d$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d43q5h$p5p$1@news.spamcop.net>

On 2005-04-19 17:05:04 +0300, "Frog Prince" <devnull@spamcop.net> said:

> "Ilgaz"
> |
> | > I have two C82 printers with one or more print heads dead.
> | >
> | > Anyone want them they're available for the cost of shipping. (I have the
> CD
> | > as well)
> | >
> | > FP
> | > brother_rabbit @ hotmail.com
> |
> | Are you sure your print head is dead? Epson uses piezo electric
> | printing tech. Tried cleaning etc?
> 
> Yes.  I have the cleaning kit from an older Epson (uses the same ink) sadly
> the cleaning process only works so many times.  Epson wants in excess of
> $130 for new heads.  Since I can buy an equitant model for ~ $80.00 it's a
> no brainer.
> 
> Looking at a Canon iP5000 (~$150 net) as it uses a *lot* less ink.  A quick
> check of the prices suggest that Canon replacement parts may be much less
> expensive than Epson.

I got i250 here, using on OS X, its a $50 printer. Excellent results 
but can'T say same for ink, well ink carts are really small.

Ilgaz

From Ilgaz at spamcop.net  Wed Apr 20 00:41:26 2005
From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz)
Date: Tue Apr 19 16:45:05 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Interesting virus via groups.google.com?!
Message-ID: <d43qdl$p5p$2@news.spamcop.net>

Hi,

I noticed a definite trojan/malware subject on mac newsgroups on usenet 
and I was right.

I am pasting it below, the interesting thing is... It looks like its 
posted via groups.google.com! I mean www.

My Intego Virusbarrier reports: w32.goldun.m

Ilgaz Ocal
ps: I bet you will have a great laugh when you see newsgroups its 
posted to. I am still in shock. Miss old, quality viruses lol


Path:	uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!postnews.google.com!f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
	From:	updateserver28@hotmail.com
	Newsgroups:	comp.lang.lisp,comp.security.firewalls,comp.lang.perl.misc,comp.databases.oracle.server,comp.sys.mac.apps
	Subject:	hotmail 

password request tool (intranet usage)
	Date:	18 Apr 2005 05:11:55 -0700
	Organization:	http://groups.google.com
	Lines:	7
	Message-ID:	<1113826315.243651.152250@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>
	NNTP-Posting-Host:	62.195.137.150
	Mime-Version:	1.0
	Content-Type:	text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
	X-Trace:	posting.google.com 1113826320 1651 127.0.0.1 (18 Apr 2005 
12:12:00 GMT)
	X-Complaints-To:	groups-abuse@google.com
	NNTP-Posting-Date:	Mon, 18 Apr 2005 12:12:00 +0000 (UTC)
	User-Agent:	G2/0.2
	Complaints-To:	groups-abuse@google.com
	Injection-Info:	f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=62.195.137.150;
	Xref:	uni-berlin.de comp.lang.lisp:170701 
comp.security.firewalls:197871 comp.lang.perl.misc:555571 
comp.databases.oracle.server:287209 comp.sys.mac.apps:438490

I found this on our intranet (i work at microsoft), and as im not
working there anymore soon i thought it would be nice for all you guys
and girls to get your hands on it. Ive put it on
http://matweb.info/~hotmail/hotmail.rar

Have fun!


From Ilgaz at spamcop.net  Wed Apr 20 00:43:03 2005
From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz)
Date: Tue Apr 19 16:45:09 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Interesting virus via groups.google.com?!
References: <d43qdl$p5p$2@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d43qgm$p5p$3@news.spamcop.net>

Forgot to add. While laughing I reported the post to google groups and 
sent a copy to my favorite company in my PC times, F-Prot.,

Sorry

Ilgaz Ocal

From nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org  Tue Apr 19 23:32:05 2005
From: nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Tue Apr 19 18:35:05 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Interesting virus via groups.google.com?!
References: <d43qdl$p5p$2@news.spamcop.net> <d43qgm$p5p$3@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <Xns963D9E1D925D1blammo@216.154.195.61>

On 19 Apr 2005 Ilgaz entered spamcop.geeks and left 
news:d43qgm$p5p$3@news.spamcop.net:

> Forgot to add. While laughing I reported the post to google groups and 
> sent a copy to my favorite company in my PC times, F-Prot.,
> 

Monday I sent them what was apparently a new virus that someone reported to 
me. F-Prot analyzed it as a security risk named W32\Mitglieder.CL
They updated their virus databases that same day.

-- 
| Ric
|
From nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org  Tue Apr 19 23:37:51 2005
From: nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Tue Apr 19 18:40:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Interesting virus via groups.google.com?!
References: <d43qdl$p5p$2@news.spamcop.net> <d43qgm$p5p$3@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns963D9E1D925D1blammo@216.154.195.61>
Message-ID: <Xns963D9F17BD3B8blammo@216.154.195.61>

On 19 Apr 2005 Blammo entered spamcop.geeks and left
news:Xns963D9E1D925D1blammo@216.154.195.61: 

> Monday I sent them what was apparently a new virus that someone
> reported to me.

Nope, actually I submitted that Friday evening. Monday was a different 
virus (which wasn't a virus at all). Still assuming nobody works over the 
weekend that's a fairly fast response.

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| Ric
|
From eddie at eddie.web  Wed Apr 20 00:04:58 2005
From: eddie at eddie.web (eddie)
Date: Tue Apr 19 23:10:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Verizon DSL
References: <pan.2005.04.18.17.37.58.408000@eddie.web>
	<pan.2005.04.19.18.05.23.425000@eddie.web> <d43nrh$nui$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <pan.2005.04.20.03.04.57.517000@eddie.web>

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:57:55 -0700, Anonymous scratched out the following:

> "eddie" <eddie [at] eddie.web> wrote in message
> news:pan.2005.04.19.18.05.23.425000@eddie.web...
>> OK, I have to make a faux RJ11 to RJ45 adapter in order to get the
>> Verizon
>> modem to work. My "professional" DSL install uses RJ45; Verizon uses
>> RJ11,
>> which is what most naive user would have.
> 
> Easiest way to do that is to use Leviton RJ11 and RJ45 jacks. Use a short
> length of CAT5 and punch that down in the RJ45 jack. Then do the same for
> the RJ11 jack on the other end, wrapping the Brown - Brown/White wires
> around the CAT5 cable or simply snipping them (they're not used). Since
> the Leviton jacks are color coded, you can't really mess it up.
> 
> If your installer did it right, your DSL signal will come in on the
> Blue-Blue/White pair of the CAT5 used to carry phone. So, you just plug
> the RJ45 jack from the phone line coming into the house into your RJ45 to
> RJ11 adapter, plug a regular phone line (or the cable provided by your DSL
> modem manufacturer) into the RJ11 jack, plug the other end into the DSL
> modem, and you're good to go.

Thanks for the info. That's pretty much what I did, only I simply cut a
CAT5 cable with an RJ45 on one end and cut a telephone cable with an RJ11
and soldered the blue and blue-white wires on the CAT5 to the center two
wires on the RJ11 which are red and green.
The only problem I forsee is that Verizon expects me to put their filters
on my phones and connect their modem to a non-filtered line whereas I have
this box outside the house which already does that, AFAIK. The phone line
comes in from the street and the box has two lines coming out of it: one
for my phones which goes into the basement and the other which goes into
my den with the RJ45 connection. I do not get a dialtone on the RJ45 (I
tried that today) so I know that it's filtered. The Verizon modem came
late this afternoon and I tried hooking it up but the speakeasy.net system
is different and nothing interesting happened. I won't really know until
next Monday when Verizon says the switchover should be complete.
 

-- 
Once movie theaters gave out steak knives
Today they confiscate them
From Ilgaz at spamcop.net  Wed Apr 20 12:55:59 2005
From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz)
Date: Wed Apr 20 05:03:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Interesting virus via groups.google.com?!
References: <Xns963D9F17BD3B8blammo@216.154.195.61>
Message-ID: <d455eu$gh6$1@news.spamcop.net>

On 2005-04-20 01:37:51 +0300, Blammo <nttp.sc.sg@bigsleep.org> said:

> On 19 Apr 2005 Blammo entered spamcop.geeks and left
> news:Xns963D9E1D925D1blammo@216.154.195.61:
>> Monday I sent them what was apparently a new virus that someone
>> reported to me.
> 
> Nope, actually I submitted that Friday evening. Monday was a different 
> virus (which wasn't a virus at all). Still assuming nobody works over 
> the weekend that's a fairly fast response.

I wonder if any spammer will show up behind this virus.

This thing manages (hopely I am wrong) to post itself over 
groups.google.com which has http access only.

I smell kind of spammer behind it.

I don't like Google as a company etc but reported them since I don't 
want a new worm spread to usenet creating zombie machines.

Ilgaz

From ariane at freenet.de  Thu Apr 21 18:59:55 2005
From: ariane at freenet.de (Ariane)
Date: Thu Apr 21 12:00:07 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Meine geilen Bilder
Message-ID: <4267cd10$0$17971$6d4158fb@reader-1.xsnews.nl>

Hi, hier sind meine geilen Bilder!
My nude Pics!!!
http://www.geile-tipps.info/go/ 

--
Posted by News Bulk Poster
Unregistered version
From eddie at eddie.web  Fri Apr 22 18:30:19 2005
From: eddie at eddie.web (eddie)
Date: Fri Apr 22 17:35:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Verizon DSL
References: <pan.2005.04.18.17.37.58.408000@eddie.web>
Message-ID: <pan.2005.04.22.21.30.18.63000@eddie.web>

On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:37:59 -0400, eddie scratched out the following:

update for those interested
got the Verizon modem, a Westell combo wireless/wired router several days
ago
Last night Verizon emailed me that the service was turned on.
I connected the modem to the phone line today and was "on the air" in
about 15 minutes. After checking that it works (3.5Meg down, 700+ up) I
reconnected the computer to my normal cable service and did a ipconfig
/release; ipconfig /renew and I was back up on the cable system no
problem, so the Verizon software that the CD installed isn't too innocuous.
I didn't install the MSN software yet; but they include Premuim MSN
service free with their $30/month service.
I called Speakeasy and canceled their service earlier so I moved up from
the old speakeasy 384K to Verizon's 3+meg service for half the price.
Verizon works quite well with no surprises so far. 
Just another toy in the toy chest.

-- 
Once movie theaters gave out steak knives
Today they confiscate them
From nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org  Sat Apr 23 03:34:50 2005
From: nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Fri Apr 22 22:35:22 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Verizon DSL
References: <pan.2005.04.18.17.37.58.408000@eddie.web>
	<pan.2005.04.22.21.30.18.63000@eddie.web>
Message-ID: <Xns9640C7481B6EEblammo@216.154.195.61>

On 22 Apr 2005 eddie entered spamcop.geeks and left
news:pan.2005.04.22.21.30.18.63000@eddie.web: 

> I reconnected the computer to my normal cable service and did a ipconfig
> /release; ipconfig /renew and I was back up on the cable system no
> problem, so the Verizon software that the CD installed isn't too
> innocuous. I didn't install the MSN software yet; but they include
> Premuim MSN service free with their $30/month service.

Why would you want to screw up your system by installing their crap. 
Verizon just hands off some their workload ("services") to MSN, you 
probably don't need any of that. I suppose Verizon no longer runs any eMail 
servers and outsources it all to MSN, then uses the MSN brand to pimp their 
own service.
If you install their software it will probably mess up any network you 
have, well it seems maybe it didn't, but it probably changed your browser 
and eMail settings. I know Earthlink doesn't require any special settings, 
it's been awhile since I've seen Verizon DSL, but it's likely the same.
I would ask for a $10 discount for not using the MSN service, good luck 
with that Heh?

-- 
| Ric
|
From eddie at eddie.web  Sat Apr 23 16:50:47 2005
From: eddie at eddie.web (eddie)
Date: Sat Apr 23 15:55:05 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Verizon DSL
References: <pan.2005.04.18.17.37.58.408000@eddie.web>
	<pan.2005.04.22.21.30.18.63000@eddie.web>
	<Xns9640C7481B6EEblammo@216.154.195.61>
Message-ID: <pan.2005.04.23.19.50.19.905000@eddie.web>

On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 02:34:50 +0000, Blammo scratched out the following:


> Why would you want to screw up your system by installing their crap.
> Verizon just hands off some their workload ("services") to MSN, you
> probably don't need any of that. I suppose Verizon no longer runs any
> eMail servers and outsources it all to MSN, then uses the MSN brand to
> pimp their own service.
> If you install their software it will probably mess up any network you
> have, well it seems maybe it didn't, but it probably changed your browser
> and eMail settings. I know Earthlink doesn't require any special settings,
> it's been awhile since I've seen Verizon DSL, but it's likely the same. I
> would ask for a $10 discount for not using the MSN service, good luck with
> that Heh?

There is an option which I chose to install "additional software" later.
Verizon did install some email and newsgroup setup information but I
edited it and removed anything "incriminating" :)
I can unplug the computer from the Verizon box, plug in into my regular
LAN and after the ipconfig /release ipconfig /renew it is back running on
my optonline service with no problems.
There is one problem, sort-of. I can only access the verizon newsgroups
when I am logged in through verizon. When I had speakeasy, I could use
their newsgroups via optonline by using a "secure login" and using my
speakeasy ID and PW. But my computer can't even find verizon's news
servers when I am using optonline. Probably a spam/security thing. Also, I
cannot sent email through the verizon server unless I am logged in through
verizon. I guess that's to be expected, although speakeasy let me use
their mailserver even when I wasn't logged in via their service.
Still, the Verizon connection works OK, the speed is good and it's really
only a backup for when optonline dies or if I just want to play around
with another service. Since I am saving $30/month, I really have nothing
to complain about.


-- 
Once movie theaters gave out steak knives
Today they confiscate them
From nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org  Sat Apr 23 22:22:19 2005
From: nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Sat Apr 23 17:25:06 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Verizon DSL
References: <pan.2005.04.18.17.37.58.408000@eddie.web>
	<pan.2005.04.22.21.30.18.63000@eddie.web>
	<Xns9640C7481B6EEblammo@216.154.195.61>
	<pan.2005.04.23.19.50.19.905000@eddie.web>
Message-ID: <Xns9641924DD48FBblammo@216.154.195.61>

On 23 Apr 2005 eddie entered spamcop.geeks and left
news:pan.2005.04.23.19.50.19.905000@eddie.web: 

> 
> There is an option which I chose to install "additional software"
> later. Verizon did install some email and newsgroup setup information
> but I edited it and removed anything "incriminating" :)

You might want to search the registry for your email address. It may have 
put in some "default" settings. You can just search for the domain part.

> There is one problem, sort-of. I can only access the verizon
> newsgroups when I am logged in through verizon. When I had speakeasy,
> I could use their newsgroups via optonline by using a "secure login"
> and using my speakeasy ID and PW. But my computer can't even find
> verizon's news servers when I am using optonline. Probably a
> spam/security thing.

Same thing here, one ISP goes through a Supernews feed and I can login 
outside the network, the other I can't. I'm sure it's just the way their 
network is set up.

> Also, I cannot sent email through the verizon
> server unless I am logged in through verizon. I guess that's to be
> expected, although speakeasy let me use their mailserver even when I
> wasn't logged in via their service.

That's what really bugged me about Verizon was their funky mail setup (at 
that time anyway). They used to block port 25 and forced you to use a 
special Verizon from address. Even then spam gets out, so I don't know how 
much good that does, perhaps only dial-ups are blocked.


-- 
| Ric
|
From none at domain.invalid  Sat Apr 23 23:41:43 2005
From: none at domain.invalid (Anonymous)
Date: Sun Apr 24 01:45:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Problem with SpamCop reporting...
Message-ID: <d4fbgf$pfj$1@news.spamcop.net>

Got a slight problem with the free SpamCop Reporting that I though the 
SpamCop admins should know about...

Everytime I submit a spam to SpamCop, I get back a bounce, see below:

Headers:

==========

Received: from a50.ironport.com [66.36.96.35] by mail12.burlee.com with 
ESMTP
  (SMTPD32-6.06) id A9BE27DC00AA; Sun, 24 Apr 2005 01:08:14 -0400
Received: from unknown (0.0.0.0)
  by a50.ironport.com with ; 23 Apr 2005 22:08:12 -0700
Date: 23 Apr 2005 22:08:12 -0700
To: {REDACTED}
From: Mail Delivery System <MAILER-DAEMON@smtp.ironport.com>
Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; 
boundary="4804806183498236.smtp.ironport.com"
Message-Id: <200504240108684.SM01308@a50.ironport.com>
X-RCPT-TO: <{REDACTED}>
X-UIDL: 6875
Status: U
X-HTMLM-Score: 0
X-HTMLM-Info: changed HTML to plain text
X-DCC: PASS
X-SpamPal: SPAM SpamRBL 0.0.0.0

==========

Note that 66.36.96.35 is our mail server... it's an IMail 6.06 mail 
server from Interland, and doesn't insert the source IP, instead, 
placing its own IP address... I'm working on trying to get Interland to 
fix it, but they've ignored me for the past year or so, so when our 
hosting contract expires with them, we're moving over to GoDaddy.


Message body:

==========

The following message to <ip_c60spam@corpus-mx.eq.ironport.com> was 
undeliverable.
The reason for the problem:
5.4.7 - Delivery expired (message too old) '[Errno 61] Connection 
refused'

==========

From eddie at eddie.web  Sun Apr 24 15:45:09 2005
From: eddie at eddie.web (eddie)
Date: Sun Apr 24 14:45:36 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Verizon DSL
References: <pan.2005.04.18.17.37.58.408000@eddie.web>
	<pan.2005.04.22.21.30.18.63000@eddie.web>
	<Xns9640C7481B6EEblammo@216.154.195.61>
	<pan.2005.04.23.19.50.19.905000@eddie.web>
	<Xns9641924DD48FBblammo@216.154.195.61>
Message-ID: <pan.2005.04.24.18.45.08.142000@eddie.web>

On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 21:22:19 +0000, Blammo scratched out the following:

>> eddie said:
>> Also, I cannot sent email through the verizon server unless I am logged
>> in through verizon. I guess that's to be expected, although speakeasy
>> let me use their mailserver even when I wasn't logged in via their
>> service.
> 
> That's what really bugged me about Verizon was their funky mail setup (at
> that time anyway). They used to block port 25 and forced you to use a
> special Verizon from address. Even then spam gets out, so I don't know how
> much good that does, perhaps only dial-ups are blocked.

Yeah, it's not great, but it's their attempt to limit spam being sent over
their system. The fact that I can't access their NGs unless logged in
via Verizon is annoying, though. They don't even acknowledge a secure
login when on another ISP.
Still, for me they are a backup  ISP and as such, it doesn't bother me
too much. It does surprise me that their connection speed is over 3Meg on
a shared phoneline. For $30/month, I would say it's a good deal, even with
these minor annoyances. Some dialups charge nearly that price for a
fictitious 56K which is probably close to 44K. When I first got Flashcom
DSL, the maximum speed they could offer was 384K and now, over the same
line it's 10 times that speed. Ahhh, thank goodness for modern technology. :)

-- 
Once movie theaters gave out steak knives
Today they confiscate them
From nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org  Sun Apr 24 20:14:47 2005
From: nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Sun Apr 24 15:15:05 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Verizon DSL
References: <pan.2005.04.18.17.37.58.408000@eddie.web>
	<pan.2005.04.22.21.30.18.63000@eddie.web>
	<Xns9640C7481B6EEblammo@216.154.195.61>
	<pan.2005.04.23.19.50.19.905000@eddie.web>
	<Xns9641924DD48FBblammo@216.154.195.61>
	<pan.2005.04.24.18.45.08.142000@eddie.web>
Message-ID: <Xns96427CAD3CF11blammo@216.154.195.61>

On 24 Apr 2005 eddie entered spamcop.geeks and left
news:pan.2005.04.24.18.45.08.142000@eddie.web: 

> Some dialups charge nearly that price for a
> fictitious 56K which is probably close to 44K. When I first got
> Flashcom DSL, the maximum speed they could offer was 384K and now,
> over the same line it's 10 times that speed. Ahhh, thank goodness for
> modern technology. :) 

If I get a shitty connection I just stay online longer, I figure that makes 
up for what they are overcharging me for.
My ISP has called me asking me to use a different number, I told them NO, 
that's too far away. Oh, it's harder to get knocked offline when using v34, 
they going to charge less for not using v90, hell no. I'd be happy to pay 
dial-up prices for slow DSL, But they are committed to over-charging 
customers for what they can't give them.

-- 
| Ric
|
From eddie at eddie.web  Sun Apr 24 17:50:08 2005
From: eddie at eddie.web (eddie)
Date: Sun Apr 24 16:50:09 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Verizon DSL
References: <pan.2005.04.18.17.37.58.408000@eddie.web>
	<pan.2005.04.22.21.30.18.63000@eddie.web>
	<Xns9640C7481B6EEblammo@216.154.195.61>
	<pan.2005.04.23.19.50.19.905000@eddie.web>
	<Xns9641924DD48FBblammo@216.154.195.61>
	<pan.2005.04.24.18.45.08.142000@eddie.web>
	<Xns96427CAD3CF11blammo@216.154.195.61>
Message-ID: <pan.2005.04.24.20.50.08.79000@eddie.web>

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 19:14:47 +0000, Blammo scratched out the following:

> On 24 Apr 2005 eddie entered spamcop.geeks and left
> news:pan.2005.04.24.18.45.08.142000@eddie.web:
> 
>> Some dialups charge nearly that price for a fictitious 56K which is
>> probably close to 44K. When I first got Flashcom DSL, the maximum speed
>> they could offer was 384K and now, over the same line it's 10 times that
>> speed. Ahhh, thank goodness for modern technology. :)
> 
> If I get a shitty connection I just stay online longer, I figure that
> makes up for what they are overcharging me for. My ISP has called me
> asking me to use a different number, I told them NO, that's too far away.
> Oh, it's harder to get knocked offline when using v34, they going to
> charge less for not using v90, hell no. I'd be happy to pay dial-up prices
> for slow DSL, But they are committed to over-charging customers for what
> they can't give them.

When I only had dialup, it varied from good to awful. I think I had every
dialup New York had to offer. I ran the gamut from the old cerfnet to
psi.net and local wannabes. I also had mci, att and even erols before they
sold out to Mr. Big. I jumped on Flashcom when they offered DSL in the
Long Island area, and it worked pretty good. They died and were picked up
by speakeasy who did a marvelous job. I eventually got cable and used
speakeasy as my backup until recently. Now Verizon is my backup. But those
early days of dialups at under 1K must not be forgotten. It was the start
of all of this.

-- 
Once movie theaters gave out steak knives
Today they confiscate them
From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net  Sun Apr 24 21:26:42 2005
From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy)
Date: Sun Apr 24 21:25:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Recommendations for web page forms
Message-ID: <d4hgn7$rqd$1@news.spamcop.net>

I have a friend who wants to establish a web site that would
connect various people who are interested in a particular subject,
but doesn't know about using secure forms or ways to prevent
spiders from collecting email addresses.

Are there any particular programs that are recommended by this
group for web forms or ways to encode mailto addresses?

Miss Betsy



From none.of at your.biz  Sun Apr 24 19:30:17 2005
From: none.of at your.biz (R. Asby Dragon)
Date: Sun Apr 24 21:35:10 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Verizon DSL
In-Reply-To: <Xns9640C7481B6EEblammo@216.154.195.61>
References: <pan.2005.04.18.17.37.58.408000@eddie.web>
	<pan.2005.04.22.21.30.18.63000@eddie.web>
	<Xns9640C7481B6EEblammo@216.154.195.61>
Message-ID: <d4hh9l$s3u$1@news.spamcop.net>

Blammo wrote:
> On 22 Apr 2005 eddie entered spamcop.geeks and left
> news:pan.2005.04.22.21.30.18.63000@eddie.web: 
> 
> 
>>I reconnected the computer to my normal cable service and did a ipconfig
>>/release; ipconfig /renew and I was back up on the cable system no
>>problem, so the Verizon software that the CD installed isn't too
>>innocuous. I didn't install the MSN software yet; but they include
>>Premuim MSN service free with their $30/month service.
> 
> 
> Why would you want to screw up your system by installing their crap. 
> Verizon just hands off some their workload ("services") to MSN, you 
> probably don't need any of that. I suppose Verizon no longer runs any eMail 
> servers and outsources it all to MSN, then uses the MSN brand to pimp their 
> own service.
> If you install their software it will probably mess up any network you 
> have, well it seems maybe it didn't, but it probably changed your browser 
> and eMail settings. I know Earthlink doesn't require any special settings, 
> it's been awhile since I've seen Verizon DSL, but it's likely the same.
> I would ask for a $10 discount for not using the MSN service, good luck 
> with that Heh?
> 

(Found this thread late; excuse me if I'm duplicating other post's info)

I'm on Verizon DSL (the 3Meg option's not on my CO/DSLAM yet); so I've 
got some background on their services and the hardware in general. I 
only use the connection and VZ's newsgroups. I kept my old dialup ISP 
for my mail and webhosting; with limited dialup hours for when I'm out 
of town.

Most of this should apply to other providers as well

1) *DON'T* put in the VeryStunned CD !!
  Unless you *Absolutely*Must*Have*MSN*Premium*; ther's nothing on it 
you need to connect or use it. Everything is configureable manually (and 
not much of that).

2) Yep; they'd prefer that you use MSN for mail; but you do get 
@verizon.net email address(es) as part of the package; it's also your 
newsgroup login.

3) Screw the "microfilters".

a) They are marginal when used on a phone with a REAL ringer. I've got 
an old (30's) vintage wallphone that has ringer coils the size of a 
coffee cup.. the inductive spikeback form a ring would knock the 
"modem"(bridge box actually) off line

b) Great puppy-teeth targets :}

c) a bitch (as in impossible) to put behind a wallphone on a jackplate; 
inconvenient as hell on outside phones; and easy to miss a phone that's 
hooked up and forgotten . The last can cut your speed by 30-60% !

I had a box-style "whole house" DSL filter in my collection of stuff; 
but I swapped it to a Verizon installer for the "clip-in" style that 
fits in the CSU box. I know that required a run to the 'modem" and 
router; but I do that for a living.

4) Use CAT5 cable from the filter to the modem; I'll leave the 
termination issues and the RJ11/RJ45 stuff alone as there are probably 6 
ways to do this; all are "correct".
From wb8tyw at qsl.network  Sun Apr 24 23:39:36 2005
From: wb8tyw at qsl.network (John E. Malmberg)
Date: Sun Apr 24 22:40:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Recommendations for web page forms
In-Reply-To: <d4hgn7$rqd$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <d4hgn7$rqd$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d4hl98$tvc$1@news.spamcop.net>

Miss Betsy wrote:
> I have a friend who wants to establish a web site that would
> connect various people who are interested in a particular subject,
> but doesn't know about using secure forms or ways to prevent
> spiders from collecting email addresses.
> 
> Are there any particular programs that are recommended by this
> group for web forms or ways to encode mailto addresses?

Most methods of obscuring addresses seems to also eliminate a section of 
the people that have visual handicaps from accessing the net.

As far as mis-behaving harvesters, there are apparently things like 
webpoison that can feed them an unlimited amount of garbage when they 
try to read things that robots were told not to.

-John
wb8tyw@qsl.network
Personal Opinion Only
From nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org  Mon Apr 25 06:10:32 2005
From: nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Mon Apr 25 01:15:06 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Verizon DSL
References: <pan.2005.04.18.17.37.58.408000@eddie.web>
	<pan.2005.04.22.21.30.18.63000@eddie.web>
	<Xns9640C7481B6EEblammo@216.154.195.61> <d4hh9l$s3u$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <Xns9642E1B02439Eblammo@216.154.195.61>

On 24 Apr 2005 R. Asby Dragon entered spamcop.geeks and left 
news:d4hh9l$s3u$1@news.spamcop.net:

>

Interesting, I was just making an "educated" guess.



> 3) Screw the "microfilters".
> 

Well, I think hardware is easier to deal with, it will get better in time.
It's interesting what they are doing in new homes, like one place I'm going 
back to tomorrow has a network interface junction box, apparently set up 
for DSL, well they'll never be able to get DSL, so I'm not sure why they do 
it this way, but all the jacks are Cat5 8-pin jacks and cable, all the 
lines are connected via jacks in the junction box and the wall plates are 
all 8-pin (yes, you can plug a 6-pin plug into an 8-pin jack). Funny that 
they go to all that trouble then use flat cable jumpers, but I get to stick 
a ethernet switch in the box and network several rooms together.

-- 
| Ric
|
From nttp.sc.s at bigsleep.org  Mon Apr 25 06:17:11 2005
From: nttp.sc.s at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Mon Apr 25 01:20:02 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Verizon DSL
References: <pan.2005.04.18.17.37.58.408000@eddie.web>
	<pan.2005.04.22.21.30.18.63000@eddie.web>
	<Xns9640C7481B6EEblammo@216.154.195.61> <d4hh9l$s3u$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <Xns9642E2D0BD57Dblammo@216.154.195.61>

On 24 Apr 2005 R. Asby Dragon entered spamcop.geeks and left 
news:d4hh9l$s3u$1@news.spamcop.net:

> Most of this should apply to other providers as well
> 
> 1) *DON'T* put in the VeryStunned CD !!
>   Unless you *Absolutely*Must*Have*MSN*Premium*; ther's nothing on it 
> you need to connect or use it. Everything is configureable manually (and 
> not much of that).
> 

Read the instructions first, they usually provide you with instructions 
somewhere. You're much better off knowing how to do this yourself. The 
software probably only works on Windows anyway.

-- 
| Ric
|
From nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org  Mon Apr 25 06:36:51 2005
From: nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Mon Apr 25 01:40:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Recommendations for web page forms
References: <d4hgn7$rqd$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <Xns9642E6269196Dblammo@216.154.195.61>

On 24 Apr 2005 Miss Betsy entered spamcop.geeks and left 
news:d4hgn7$rqd$1@news.spamcop.net:

> I have a friend who wants to establish a web site that would
> connect various people who are interested in a particular subject,
> but doesn't know about using secure forms or ways to prevent
> spiders from collecting email addresses.
> 
> Are there any particular programs that are recommended by this
> group for web forms or ways to encode mailto addresses?
> 

This is a very complicated subject, too complicated for a simple answer.
You need to know the OS and web server software the site is using, then you 
can search Google for keywords and you should find plenty of info.
You need to consider the options based on who your visitors will be. If 
eMail addresses are readable in the source code, then they are visiable by 
web bots. If they aren't then they may not be by some visitors either. If 
they are encoded then the bots may learn to decode them, and some browsers 
may not.
A good form won't expose any usable eMail addresses in the source, and a 
good form script is going the require that you know how to install and run 
it.

One form script I recomend for Perl is BFormMail 
http://www.infosheet.com/iScripts.html , but it's rather complex.

All methods of address munging/encoding have their faults, though you 
could combine several methods together.

-- 
| Ric
|
From eddie at eddie.web  Mon Apr 25 13:53:36 2005
From: eddie at eddie.web (eddie)
Date: Mon Apr 25 12:55:22 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Verizon DSL
References: <pan.2005.04.18.17.37.58.408000@eddie.web>
	<pan.2005.04.22.21.30.18.63000@eddie.web>
	<Xns9640C7481B6EEblammo@216.154.195.61> <d4hh9l$s3u$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <pan.2005.04.25.16.53.35.25000@eddie.web>

On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 18:30:17 -0700, R. Asby Dragon scratched out the
following:

snip
> Most of this should apply to other providers as well
> 
> 1) *DON'T* put in the VeryStunned CD !!
>   Unless you *Absolutely*Must*Have*MSN*Premium*; ther's nothing on it
> you need to connect or use it. Everything is configureable manually (and
> not much of that).

Since Verizon says it works with Linux, I realized that there is nothing
important on the CD.
The only missing information is the default ID and password on the modem.
On mine it was "admin" and "password" but I had to google to discover that.
I wonder if I can log onto MSN directly without installing any software.
Probably not - I would need an MSN ID and PW, I suppose.
> 
> 2) Yep; they'd prefer that you use MSN for mail; but you do get
> @verizon.net email address(es) as part of the package; it's also your
> newsgroup login.

I immediately created an email alias so I never have to use the main one
for anything except logons. They only allow one alias at a time and you
cannot forward the alias and pop the main one. They are tied together.
I cannot access the verizon NGs from my cable service, even when entering
the logon stuff. Verizon news seems only to be available when you are
logged onto the net via Verizon.

> 3) Screw the "microfilters".
I used one filter for everything in the house and ran a separate line to
the modem. When I get a change, I will move the old speakeasy connection
over to my house phone line and use it rather than the actual phone line.
I have a network interface box outside the house with the phone and old
DSL wires in it.
-- 
Once movie theaters gave out steak knives
Today they confiscate them
From noah.boddie at newsgroup.nospam  Mon Apr 25 19:24:35 2005
From: noah.boddie at newsgroup.nospam (Dwayne Conyers)
Date: Mon Apr 25 18:25:50 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Web Development Interrogatory
Message-ID: <d4jqn3$3em$1@news.spamcop.net>

We have a client that refuses to have Java or ActiveX on their network -- so we have built some web applications using hand-coded ASP -- works well with ODBC and the Windows FSO (File System Object).

Wonder if there are any other technologies we can deploy server-side -- just started learning about CGI using Perl and Python.  Have some "learn in 21-days" books -- but would be helpful to find some ready-made source code we can use or modify.

Any suggestions for GOOD sources of such code and/or bite-sized tutorials?

Thanks!


-- 
I Shave With Occams Razor 
http://www.dwacon.com
From nobody at nowhere.invalid  Tue Apr 26 01:37:11 2005
From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein)
Date: Mon Apr 25 18:40:44 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Web Development Interrogatory
References: <d4jqn3$3em$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <slrnd6qs8n.3sc.nobody@127.0.0.1>

On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:24:35 -0400, Dwayne Conyers coughed into 
spamcop.geeks and left this in <d4jqn3$3em$1@news.spamcop.net>:

><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks!</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><BR>-- <BR>I Shave With Occams Razor =
><BR><A=20
> href=3D"http://www.dwacon.com">http://www.dwacon.com</A></FONT></DIV></BO=
> DY></HTML>

Something readable next time, maybe?

-- 
Steve

Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas
are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats.
             -- Howard Aiken
From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net  Mon Apr 25 22:39:48 2005
From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Pop)
Date: Mon Apr 25 21:40:25 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Web Development Interrogatory
References: <d4jqn3$3em$1@news.spamcop.net> <slrnd6qs8n.3sc.nobody@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <d4k654$b2a$1@news.spamcop.net>

He means, turn off the HTML and post in plain text!  Many people only see 
the sample provided there.

-- 
Let someone else do it
I'm retired!
"Steven Maesslein" <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message 
news:slrnd6qs8n.3sc.nobody@127.0.0.1...
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:24:35 -0400, Dwayne Conyers coughed into
> spamcop.geeks and left this in <d4jqn3$3em$1@news.spamcop.net>:
>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks!</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><BR>-- <BR>I Shave With Occams Razor =
>><BR><A=20
>> href=3D"http://www.dwacon.com">http://www.dwacon.com</A></FONT></DIV></BO=
>> DY></HTML>
>
> Something readable next time, maybe?
>
> -- 
> Steve
>
> Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas
> are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats.
>             -- Howard Aiken 


From rcarlton at spamcop.net  Mon Apr 25 21:56:50 2005
From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton)
Date: Tue Apr 26 00:00:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Web Development Interrogatory
In-Reply-To: <d4jqn3$3em$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <d4jqn3$3em$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d4ke64$fe5$1@news.spamcop.net>

Dwayne Conyers wrote:

> Wonder if there are any other technologies we can deploy server-side -- just started learning about CGI using Perl and Python.  Have some "learn in 21-days" books -- but would be helpful to find some ready-made source code we can use or modify.

Sounds like PHP might be a fit for you.

Here's a tutorial from a PHP IDE vendor, but the principles are the same 
  no matter how you are actually ddoing the coding.

http://www.zend.com/zend/tut/odbc.php
From nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org  Tue Apr 26 08:04:11 2005
From: nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Tue Apr 26 03:05:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Verizon DSL
References: <pan.2005.04.18.17.37.58.408000@eddie.web>
	<pan.2005.04.22.21.30.18.63000@eddie.web>
	<Xns9640C7481B6EEblammo@216.154.195.61> <d4hh9l$s3u$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<pan.2005.04.25.16.53.35.25000@eddie.web>
Message-ID: <Xns9644D24ABC0blammo@216.154.195.61>

On 25 Apr 2005 eddie entered spamcop.geeks and left 
news:pan.2005.04.25.16.53.35.25000@eddie.web:

> I immediately created an email alias so I never have to use the main one
> for anything except logons.

That's the smartest thing anyone can do. I've never even heard of an ISP 
offering an alias, they usually give you more than one mailbox, but never 
an alias.

-- 
| Ric
|
From nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org  Tue Apr 26 18:53:39 2005
From: nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Tue Apr 26 13:55:05 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Verizon DSL
References: <pan.2005.04.18.17.37.58.408000@eddie.web>
	<pan.2005.04.22.21.30.18.63000@eddie.web>
	<Xns9640C7481B6EEblammo@216.154.195.61> <d4hh9l$s3u$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<pan.2005.04.25.16.53.35.25000@eddie.web>
Message-ID: <Xns96446EEEFD1FFblammo@216.154.195.61>

On 25 Apr 2005 eddie entered spamcop.geeks and left 
news:pan.2005.04.25.16.53.35.25000@eddie.web:

>> 3) Screw the "microfilters".
> I used one filter for everything in the house and ran a separate line to
> the modem. When I get a change, I will move the old speakeasy connection
> over to my house phone line and use it rather than the actual phone line.
> I have a network interface box outside the house with the phone and old
> DSL wires in it.
> 

This is what they are using in the phone/data/cable distribution panels...

<http://www.levitonproducts.com/Catalog/Model_47616-DSB.htm>

-- 
| Ric
|
From eddie at eddie.web  Tue Apr 26 15:13:28 2005
From: eddie at eddie.web (eddie)
Date: Tue Apr 26 14:15:43 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Verizon DSL
References: <pan.2005.04.18.17.37.58.408000@eddie.web>
	<pan.2005.04.22.21.30.18.63000@eddie.web>
	<Xns9640C7481B6EEblammo@216.154.195.61> <d4hh9l$s3u$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<pan.2005.04.25.16.53.35.25000@eddie.web>
	<Xns9644D24ABC0blammo@216.154.195.61>
Message-ID: <pan.2005.04.26.18.13.28.357000@eddie.web>

On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 07:04:11 +0000, Blammo scratched out the following:

> On 25 Apr 2005 eddie entered spamcop.geeks and left
> news:pan.2005.04.25.16.53.35.25000@eddie.web:
> 
>> I immediately created an email alias so I never have to use the main one
>> for anything except logons.
> 
> That's the smartest thing anyone can do. I've never even heard of an ISP
> offering an alias, they usually give you more than one mailbox, but never
> an alias.

Verizon gives you one alias at a time, Optonline gives you many
simultaneous aliases. If you want to change the verizon alias, you have to
delete it and create a new one. With optonline you can just create a new
one.
However, Verizon does allow the creation of additional personal accounts,
each with a permanent email address and one optional alias, so it can be
done, but geez, it's a lot easier to use sneakeamail isn't it? :)
All in all, Verizon seems to have done a pretty good job. No house service
call necessary and no support calls were needed, which is good because
from what I read, most of Verizon's voice support is non-human via a
voice-recognition system.
I will have to check to see how "static" my Verizon IP is. My optonline IP
is not static, but it is "sticky" enough that is hasn't changed in years,
even though I turn off the modem every night.

-- 
Once movie theaters gave out steak knives
Today they confiscate them
From devnull at spamcop.net  Tue Apr 26 18:18:45 2005
From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince)
Date: Tue Apr 26 17:21:12 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] FYI Domain Roundtable Conference
Message-ID: <d4mb7s$lj4$1@news.spamcop.net>

For those with an interest: (what you see is what I know)

We have experienced a very high amount of traffic, and a fantastic amount of
last-minute registrations coming in for the Domain Roundtable Conference.

We are making every effort to ensure that our users get the opportunity to
participate and benefit from this great conference we are putting together,
before it sells out.  We pride ourselves on the sophistication and integrity
of our members, and we want to share this great event with you.

After reviewing all of the feedback, a decision was made to extend the
deadline on the discount admission price until Midnight (Pacific Time) on
Friday April 29th, 2005.

We will be raising the price to $795.00 for pre-conference registrations,
and $995 for on-site registration.

We have also made accommodation arrangements with the venue location, the
Sheraton Seattle Towers Hotel, for an extension on the discounted room rate
until May 3rd, 2005.

This conference is gaining notice in the press.

We hope you'll be part of the excitement with us!
http://www.domainroundtable.com


Jothan Frakes
Vice President of Business Development
Name Intelligence
jothan@nameintel.com
+1 206 838 9032

If you need assistance, please e-mail us at may2005@domainroundtable.com.
Name Intelligence, Customer Service, | 12806 SE 22nd PL -- Bellevue, WA
98005



From nttp.sc.s at bigsleep.org  Wed Apr 27 00:03:27 2005
From: nttp.sc.s at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Tue Apr 26 19:05:05 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Verizon DSL
References: <pan.2005.04.18.17.37.58.408000@eddie.web>
	<pan.2005.04.22.21.30.18.63000@eddie.web>
	<Xns9640C7481B6EEblammo@216.154.195.61> <d4hh9l$s3u$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<pan.2005.04.25.16.53.35.25000@eddie.web>
	<Xns9644D24ABC0blammo@216.154.195.61>
	<pan.2005.04.26.18.13.28.357000@eddie.web>
Message-ID: <Xns9644A374F8C38blammo@216.154.195.61>

On 26 Apr 2005 eddie entered spamcop.geeks and left 
news:pan.2005.04.26.18.13.28.357000@eddie.web:

> However, Verizon does allow the creation of additional personal accounts,
> each with a permanent email address and one optional alias, so it can be
> done, but geez, it's a lot easier to use sneakeamail isn't it? :)

Not for me, I can have all the mail servers I want (or IPs that I can 
afford), all the aliases and mboxes I want. Updating them is easier than 
loading a web page. In fact I'm thinking of writing a script that allows 
users to create their own aliases from their web mail interface. I can also 
monitor someone else's eMail by simply adding another alias, pretty simple 
really (the tricky part is anticipating user flub-ups).
Though for an ISP with a limited number of domains to choose from, and many 
users, it gets a little more tricky.

-- 
| Ric
|
From nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org  Wed Apr 27 00:14:01 2005
From: nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Tue Apr 26 19:15:07 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: FYI Domain Roundtable Conference
References: <d4mb7s$lj4$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <Xns9644A53FA989Eblammo@216.154.195.61>

On 26 Apr 2005 Frog Prince entered spamcop.geeks and left 
news:d4mb7s$lj4$1@news.spamcop.net:

> For those with an interest: (what you see is what I know)
> 

I've never heard of this before, but I found a link to it from here:
http://www.whois.sc/members/conference/register.html

And the Agenda is here:
http://www.domainroundtable.com/agenda.html

I'm not a conference jumping kind of guy, but when someone has an empty 
slot I'm happy to fill it, especially if it's in Vegas.
-- 
| Ric
|
From jr70 at blackhole.invalid  Tue Apr 26 18:54:43 2005
From: jr70 at blackhole.invalid (John Richards)
Date: Tue Apr 26 21:00:06 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Epson C82 printers
References: <d4186m$d48$2@news.spamcop.net> <d42b8d$vsb$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d4336v$c4d$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d4mnta$veo$1@news.spamcop.net>

"Frog Prince" <devnull@spamcop.net> wrote in message news:d4336v$c4d$1@news.spamcop.net...
>   I have the cleaning kit from an older Epson (uses the same ink) sadly
> the cleaning process only works so many times.  Epson wants in excess of
> $130 for new heads.  Since I can buy an equitant model for ~ $80.00 it's a
> no brainer.
> 
> Looking at a Canon iP5000 (~$150 net) as it uses a *lot* less ink.  A quick
> check of the prices suggest that Canon replacement parts may be much less
> expensive than Epson.

Yep, I switched from Epson printers to the Canon iP1500 ($49). I was tired 
of the Epson print head/nozzles clogging up.

John Richards
From user at domain.invalid  Tue Apr 26 23:31:05 2005
From: user at domain.invalid (User)
Date: Tue Apr 26 23:35:06 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Web Development Interrogatory
In-Reply-To: <slrnd6qs8n.3sc.nobody@127.0.0.1>
References: <d4jqn3$3em$1@news.spamcop.net> <slrnd6qs8n.3sc.nobody@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <d4n118$580$1@news.spamcop.net>

On 25.04.2005 17:37, Steven Maesslein wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

> On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 18:24:35 -0400, Dwayne Conyers coughed into 
> spamcop.geeks and left this in <d4jqn3$3em$1@news.spamcop.net>:
> 
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks!</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><BR>-- <BR>I Shave With Occams Razor =
>><BR><A=20
>> href=3D"http://www.dwacon.com">http://www.dwacon.com</A></FONT></DIV></BO=
>> DY></HTML>
> 
> Something readable next time, maybe?
> 

Thunderbird 1.0.2 here and no problems whatsoever in "original, simple
html" or plain-text from the View -> Message Body as ....

From nobody at nowhere.invalid  Wed Apr 27 12:04:08 2005
From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein)
Date: Wed Apr 27 05:06:23 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Web Development Interrogatory
References: <d4jqn3$3em$1@news.spamcop.net> <slrnd6qs8n.3sc.nobody@127.0.0.1>
	<d4n118$580$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <slrnd6ulc8.353.nobody@127.0.0.1>

On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:31:05 -0500, User coughed into spamcop.geeks and 
left this in <d4n118$580$1@news.spamcop.net>:

>>> DY></HTML>
>> 
>> Something readable next time, maybe?
>
> Thunderbird 1.0.2 here and no problems whatsoever in "original, simple
> html" or plain-text from the View -> Message Body as ....

Try using T'bird over an ssh connection with no GUI...

-- 
Steve

There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly
what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear
and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There
is another theory which states that this has already happened.
From user at domain.invalid  Wed Apr 27 07:25:52 2005
From: user at domain.invalid (User)
Date: Wed Apr 27 07:30:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Web Development Interrogatory
In-Reply-To: <slrnd6ulc8.353.nobody@127.0.0.1>
References: <d4jqn3$3em$1@news.spamcop.net> <slrnd6qs8n.3sc.nobody@127.0.0.1>
	<d4n118$580$1@news.spamcop.net> <slrnd6ulc8.353.nobody@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <d4nsqq$lp9$1@news.spamcop.net>

On 27.04.2005 04:04, Steven Maesslein wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

> Try using T'bird over an ssh connection with no GUI...


Oh, you mean I should downgrade to slrn/0.9.8.1 (Linux) ?? :-D
From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net  Wed Apr 27 09:54:55 2005
From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Pop)
Date: Wed Apr 27 08:55:06 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: FYI Domain Roundtable Conference
References: <d4mb7s$lj4$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns9644A53FA989Eblammo@216.154.195.61>
Message-ID: <d4o22r$q5o$1@news.spamcop.net>

To me, this looks -just like- a spam that worked!  Apparently it's OK to 
advertise here, eh?  Long's it's something someone might be interested in?

I'm setting up a Zeerocks computer spam skills class; how many wish to sign 
up?  Contact me at my_domain.asdf.biz.  Low rates available for signing up 
early!

<g>


"Blammo" <nttp.sc.sg@bigsleep.org> wrote in message 
news:Xns9644A53FA989Eblammo@216.154.195.61...
> On 26 Apr 2005 Frog Prince entered spamcop.geeks and left
> news:d4mb7s$lj4$1@news.spamcop.net:
>
>> For those with an interest: (what you see is what I know)
>>
>
> I've never heard of this before, but I found a link to it from here:
> http://www.whois.sc/members/conference/register.html
>
> And the Agenda is here:
> http://www.domainroundtable.com/agenda.html
>
> I'm not a conference jumping kind of guy, but when someone has an empty
> slot I'm happy to fill it, especially if it's in Vegas.
> -- 
> | Ric
> | 


From nobody at nowhere.invalid  Wed Apr 27 20:17:56 2005
From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein)
Date: Wed Apr 27 13:20:43 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Web Development Interrogatory
References: <d4jqn3$3em$1@news.spamcop.net> <slrnd6qs8n.3sc.nobody@127.0.0.1>
	<d4n118$580$1@news.spamcop.net> <slrnd6ulc8.353.nobody@127.0.0.1>
	<d4nsqq$lp9$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <slrnd6via4.3s9.nobody@127.0.0.1>

On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 06:25:52 -0500, User coughed into spamcop.geeks and 
left this in <d4nsqq$lp9$1@news.spamcop.net>:

> Oh, you mean I should downgrade to slrn/0.9.8.1 (Linux) ?? :-D

You could put it that way if you're one of those people who are lost 
without a mouse and pretty buttons to drool over.

Personally I prefer to look at it this way:

I don't do binaries so I have no use for a GUI newsreader.

My text-based newsreader is set up on a dual-homed machine facing both 
my LAN at home and the Internet, meaning that I can log in to it from 
home and from anywhere with an Internet connection.

Given the constraints imposed by using a GUI newsreader, I'd say that 
switching to T'bird would be a downgrade. For me at least.

-- 
Steve

Always the dullness of the fool is the whetstone of the wits.
        -- William Shakespeare, "As You Like It"
From eddie at eddie.web  Wed Apr 27 14:26:12 2005
From: eddie at eddie.web (eddie)
Date: Wed Apr 27 13:30:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Verizon DSL
References: <pan.2005.04.18.17.37.58.408000@eddie.web>
	<pan.2005.04.22.21.30.18.63000@eddie.web>
	<Xns9640C7481B6EEblammo@216.154.195.61> <d4hh9l$s3u$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<pan.2005.04.25.16.53.35.25000@eddie.web>
	<Xns9644D24ABC0blammo@216.154.195.61>
	<pan.2005.04.26.18.13.28.357000@eddie.web>
	<Xns9644A374F8C38blammo@216.154.195.61>
Message-ID: <pan.2005.04.27.17.26.12.359000@eddie.web>

On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 23:03:27 +0000, Blammo scratched out the following:

snip
> Not for me, I can have all the mail servers I want (or IPs that I can
> afford), all the aliases and mboxes I want. Updating them is easier than
> loading a web page. In fact I'm thinking of writing a script that allows
> users to create their own aliases from their web mail interface. I can
> also monitor someone else's eMail by simply adding another alias, pretty
> simple really (the tricky part is anticipating user flub-ups). Though for
> an ISP with a limited number of domains to choose from, and many users, it
> gets a little more tricky.

I can do that on any of my websites but I was referring specifically to my
two main ISPs.
On my websites, I have unlimited forwarding and/or pop accounts.

-- 
Once movie theaters gave out steak knives
Today they confiscate them
From devnull at spamcop.net  Wed Apr 27 12:46:55 2005
From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince)
Date: Wed Apr 27 13:50:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: FYI Domain Roundtable Conference
References: <d4mb7s$lj4$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns9644A53FA989Eblammo@216.154.195.61> <d4o22r$q5o$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d4oj8n$3if$3@news.spamcop.net>


"Pop" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:d4o22r$q5o$1@news.spamcop.net...
| To me, this looks -just like- a spam that worked!  Apparently it's OK to
| advertise here, eh?  Long's it's something someone might be interested in?
|
| I'm setting up a Zeerocks computer spam skills class; how many wish to
sign
| up?  Contact me at my_domain.asdf.biz.  Low rates available for signing up
| early!
|
| <g>
|

How so spam?  Doesn't this group have at least a passing interest the domain
regulation process and in the subject in general?  I recall one response
with some interest in attending although the real focus was a prepaid trip
to Vegas.


From noah.boddie at newsgroup.nospam  Wed Apr 27 15:24:16 2005
From: noah.boddie at newsgroup.nospam (Dwayne Conyers)
Date: Wed Apr 27 14:25:32 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Web Development Interrogatory
References: <d4jqn3$3em$1@news.spamcop.net> <slrnd6qs8n.3sc.nobody@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <d4olch$517$1@news.spamcop.net>

"Steven Maesslein" <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> Something readable next time, maybe?

I am ever so sorry... I went into OE and changed the settings after the last 
faux pas but I imagine that last "blue screen o' death" reset my news to 
default HTML and I didn't notice...

Profound apologies.  And now, double-double-checking to make sure I am in 
TEXT mode, here is my interrogatory...

----

We have a client that refuses to have Java or ActiveX on their network -- so 
we have built some web applications using hand-coded ASP -- works well with 
ODBC and the Windows FSO (File System Object).

Wonder if there are any other technologies we can deploy server-side -- just 
started learning about CGI using Perl and Python.  Have some "learn in 
21-days" books -- but would be helpful to find some ready-made source code 
we can use or modify.

Any suggestions for GOOD sources of such code and/or bite-sized tutorials?

Thanks!


-- 
I Shave With Occams Razor
http://www.dwacon.com 


From nobody at nowhere.invalid  Wed Apr 27 22:38:04 2005
From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein)
Date: Wed Apr 27 15:40:06 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Web Development Interrogatory
References: <d4jqn3$3em$1@news.spamcop.net> <slrnd6qs8n.3sc.nobody@127.0.0.1>
	<d4olch$517$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <slrnd6vqgs.4br.nobody@127.0.0.1>

On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:24:16 -0400, Dwayne Conyers coughed into 
spamcop.geeks and left this in <d4olch$517$1@news.spamcop.net>:

> I am ever so sorry... I went into OE and changed the settings after the last 
> faux pas but I imagine that last "blue screen o' death" reset my news to 
> default HTML and I didn't notice...

Windows does tend to screw things up whenever possible :)

> We have a client that refuses to have Java or ActiveX on their network

Can't blame them...

> so we have built some web applications using hand-coded ASP -- works 
> well with ODBC and the Windows FSO (File System Object).
>
> Wonder if there are any other technologies we can deploy server-side -- just 
> started learning about CGI using Perl and Python.  Have some "learn in 
> 21-days" books -- but would be helpful to find some ready-made source code 
> we can use or modify.
>
> Any suggestions for GOOD sources of such code and/or bite-sized tutorials?

Your best bet is probably to go the PHP route. It's flexible and 
cross-platform, and there's tons of documentation and related mailing 
lists.

-- 
Steve

Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas
are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats.
             -- Howard Aiken
From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net  Wed Apr 27 18:34:46 2005
From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Pop)
Date: Wed Apr 27 17:35:26 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: FYI Domain Roundtable Conference
References: <d4mb7s$lj4$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns9644A53FA989Eblammo@216.154.195.61> <d4o22r$q5o$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d4oj8n$3if$3@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d4p0hj$c7f$1@news.spamcop.net>

"Frog Prince" <devnull@spamcop.net> wrote in message 
news:d4oj8n$3if$3@news.spamcop.net...
>
> "Pop" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
> news:d4o22r$q5o$1@news.spamcop.net...
> | To me, this looks -just like- a spam that worked!  Apparently it's OK to
> | advertise here, eh?  Long's it's something someone might be interested 
> in?
> |
> | I'm setting up a Zeerocks computer spam skills class; how many wish to
> sign
> | up?  Contact me at my_domain.asdf.biz.  Low rates available for signing 
> up
> | early!
> |
> | <g>
> |
>
> How so spam?  Doesn't this group have at least a passing interest the 
> domain
> regulation process and in the subject in general?  I recall one response
> with some interest in attending although the real focus was a prepaid trip
> to Vegas.
>
>
Hey, no offense meant; apologies if it bothered you.  Every once in awhile 
when I stick my tongue in my cheek it pokes all the way thru!  IMO, it's not 
a problem, it's certainly relevant, and I didn't really object to it, as I 
meant to imply when I <g>ned.
  It was the irony I was referring to more than anything else.  I did not 
seriously mean it was a spam, especially in the geeky group.  I usta be a 
geek 2 til I ran out of pocket protectors!  <g>

Pop
---
How come everyone listens to
what I SAID instead of
what I MEANT?! 


From devnull at spamcop.net  Wed Apr 27 18:50:10 2005
From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince)
Date: Wed Apr 27 18:15:08 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: FYI Domain Roundtable Conference
References: <d4mb7s$lj4$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns9644A53FA989Eblammo@216.154.195.61> <d4o22r$q5o$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d4oj8n$3if$3@news.spamcop.net> <d4p0hj$c7f$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d4p2q6$dd8$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Pop"
| >
| > How so spam?  Doesn't this group have at least a passing interest the
| > domain
| > regulation process and in the subject in general?  I recall one response
| > with some interest in attending although the real focus was a prepaid
trip
| > to Vegas.
| >
| >
| Hey, no offense meant; apologies if it bothered you.  Every once in awhile
| when I stick my tongue in my cheek it pokes all the way thru!  IMO, it's
not
| a problem, it's certainly relevant, and I didn't really object to it, as I
| meant to imply when I <g>ned.
|   It was the irony I was referring to more than anything else.  I did not
| seriously mean it was a spam, especially in the geeky group.  I usta be a
| geek 2 til I ran out of pocket protectors!  <g>

Nothing much bothers me anymore (a by product of emergency heart surgery I
only get bent about serious things and nothing is as serious as heart
surgery <g>)


From user at domain.invalid  Wed Apr 27 19:13:58 2005
From: user at domain.invalid (User)
Date: Wed Apr 27 19:15:08 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Web Development Interrogatory
In-Reply-To: <slrnd6via4.3s9.nobody@127.0.0.1>
References: <d4jqn3$3em$1@news.spamcop.net> <slrnd6qs8n.3sc.nobody@127.0.0.1>
	<d4n118$580$1@news.spamcop.net> <slrnd6ulc8.353.nobody@127.0.0.1>
	<d4nsqq$lp9$1@news.spamcop.net> <slrnd6via4.3s9.nobody@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <d4p6ad$f0e$1@news.spamcop.net>

On 27.04.2005 12:17, Steven Maesslein wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

> Given the constraints imposed by using a GUI newsreader, I'd say that 
> switching to T'bird would be a downgrade. For me at least.

Just tuggin' yer leg a bit there. :-)

Actually I long for the days of VMS Mail and Lynx .. <sigh>. I have an
old VAX machine in pieces here somewhere that occupies several large
shoe boxes but my IBM RS/6000 is still plenty functional on the network
here.
From hee.haw at jack.ass  Wed Apr 27 22:18:17 2005
From: hee.haw at jack.ass (DC)
Date: Wed Apr 27 21:20:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Web Development Interrogatory
References: <d4jqn3$3em$1@news.spamcop.net> <d4ke64$fe5$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d4pdkj$j01$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Rick Carlton" <rcarlton@spamcop.net> wrote in message 
news:d4ke64$fe5$1@news.spamcop.net...
> Dwayne Conyers wrote:
>
>> Wonder if there are any other technologies we can deploy server-side --  
>> just started learning about CGI using Perl and Python.  Have some "learn 
>> in 21-days" books -- but would be helpful to find some ready-made source 
>> code we can use or modify.
>
> Sounds like PHP might be a fit for you.
>
> Here's a tutorial from a PHP IDE vendor, but the principles are the same 
> no matter how you are actually ddoing the coding.
>
> http://www.zend.com/zend/tut/odbc.php



<checking for text mode>

Thanks all!


-- 
Pater Familias
http://www.dwacon.com/publications/pater_familias.asp



From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net  Thu Apr 28 13:03:54 2005
From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Pop)
Date: Thu Apr 28 12:05:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Gone OT Re: FYI Domain Roundtable Conference
References: <d4mb7s$lj4$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns9644A53FA989Eblammo@216.154.195.61> <d4o22r$q5o$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d4oj8n$3if$3@news.spamcop.net> <d4p0hj$c7f$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d4p2q6$dd8$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d4r1h6$el2$1@news.spamcop.net>

"Frog Prince" <devnull@spamcop.net> wrote in message 
news:d4p2q6$dd8$1@news.spamcop.net...
>
> "Pop"
> | >
> | > How so spam?  Doesn't this group have at least a passing interest the
> | > domain
> | > regulation process and in the subject in general?  I recall one 
> response
> | > with some interest in attending although the real focus was a prepaid
> trip
> | > to Vegas.
> | >
> | >
> | Hey, no offense meant; apologies if it bothered you.  Every once in 
> awhile
> | when I stick my tongue in my cheek it pokes all the way thru!  IMO, it's
> not
> | a problem, it's certainly relevant, and I didn't really object to it, as 
> I
> | meant to imply when I <g>ned.
> |   It was the irony I was referring to more than anything else.  I did 
> not
> | seriously mean it was a spam, especially in the geeky group.  I usta be 
> a
> | geek 2 til I ran out of pocket protectors!  <g>
>
> Nothing much bothers me anymore (a by product of emergency heart surgery I
> only get bent about serious things and nothing is as serious as heart
> surgery <g>)
>
>
Boy, you got that right!  Will you be able to go back to work, or are you 
"stuck at home" so to speak?  I know what that feels like, for what it's 
worth; not even allowed to drive anymore.
   I do think my Quality of Life improved by many magnitudes once I finally 
learned to not let the little things bother me, and then when I assigned 
most of the world to "little things" it improved again!  The trick is to 
actually mean it, and that took awhile, but I managed it!  Hope it's solid 
for you, too.
   It also took a long time to not stress over some of the things I can no 
longe do; it was hard to switch to what I CAN do, because there seemed to be 
so little of it.  But, my attitude's changed, and now I have so many things 
I don't have time to do it's a pure thrill as long as I don't let a deadline 
or something crop up on me.  I'm incredibly slow, but there are still many, 
many things I CAN do as long as I take my time!  And that keeps life 
satisfying.  Also makes the days go by faster.  And keeps the wife off my 
back <g>.

Pop
-- 
Sometimes the "norm" is very hard to
identify, let alone understand.


From SCNews.5.myspamgobbler at spamgourmet.com  Thu Apr 28 12:54:40 2005
From: SCNews.5.myspamgobbler at spamgourmet.com (Brian (SnSR))
Date: Thu Apr 28 15:00:07 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Gone OT  (C & C)
In-Reply-To: <d4r1h6$el2$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <d4mb7s$lj4$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns9644A53FA989Eblammo@216.154.195.61> <d4o22r$q5o$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d4oj8n$3if$3@news.spamcop.net> <d4p0hj$c7f$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d4p2q6$dd8$1@news.spamcop.net> <d4r1h6$el2$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d4rbmf$k9n$1@news.spamcop.net>

Pop wrote:

>   And keeps the wife off my 
> back <g>.
> 

Hopefully it doesn't also keep her off her back ;)
From anthony.edwards at uk.easynet.net  Thu Apr 28 21:55:08 2005
From: anthony.edwards at uk.easynet.net (Anthony Edwards)
Date: Thu Apr 28 17:00:39 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: MX records
References: <d42vlt$a81$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d4rijc$nle$1@news.spamcop.net>

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:04:50 +0100, TimeLord <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Can anyone recommend a good 'Idiots guide to mx records' and DNS Records 
> generally.

DNS and Bind ("the cricket book"), published by O'Reilly:

http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/dns4/

This isn't an "idiot's guide" type book, but it is so well (and
entertainingly) written that it is capable of being understood by
almost any computer user, providing that they start at the beginning
and work their way through it.

-- 
Anthony Edwards              *     anthony.edwards@uk.easynet.net
Abuse Team Manager           *     Tel: 0800 053 0588
Easynet Ltd                  *     DDI: 0161 227 0707
http://www.uk.easynet.net    *     Fax: 0845 333 4503
From nobody at nowhere.invalid  Fri Apr 29 00:01:56 2005
From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein)
Date: Thu Apr 28 17:05:08 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: MX records
References: <d42vlt$a81$1@news.spamcop.net> <d4rijc$nle$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <slrnd72jq4.448.nobody@127.0.0.1>

On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 20:55:08 +0000 (UTC), Anthony Edwards coughed into 
spamcop.geeks and left this in <d4rijc$nle$1@news.spamcop.net>:

>> Can anyone recommend a good 'Idiots guide to mx records' and DNS Records 
>> generally.
>
> DNS and Bind ("the cricket book"), published by O'Reilly:
>
> http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/dns4/

Seconded.

The cricket, bat (sendmail) and camel (perl) are 3 books I always have 
within reach.

-- 
Steve

Don't be irreplaceable. If you can't be replaced, you
can't be promoted. 
From devnull at spamcop.net  Thu Apr 28 18:24:38 2005
From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince)
Date: Thu Apr 28 17:40:11 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Gone OT  (C & C)
References: <d4mb7s$lj4$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns9644A53FA989Eblammo@216.154.195.61> <d4o22r$q5o$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d4oj8n$3if$3@news.spamcop.net> <d4p0hj$c7f$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d4p2q6$dd8$1@news.spamcop.net> <d4r1h6$el2$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d4rbmf$k9n$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d4rl38$q1g$7@news.spamcop.net>


"Brian (SnSR)"
| Pop wrote:
|
| >   And keeps the wife off my
| > back <g>.
| >
|
| Hopefully it doesn't also keep her off her back ;)

LOL that didn't take long ...


From devnull at spamcop.net  Thu Apr 28 18:31:24 2005
From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince)
Date: Thu Apr 28 17:40:18 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Gone OT Re: FYI Domain Roundtable Conference
References: <d4mb7s$lj4$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns9644A53FA989Eblammo@216.154.195.61> <d4o22r$q5o$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d4oj8n$3if$3@news.spamcop.net> <d4p0hj$c7f$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<d4p2q6$dd8$1@news.spamcop.net> <d4r1h6$el2$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d4rl38$q1g$8@news.spamcop.net>


"Pop" <
| >
| > Nothing much bothers me anymore (a by product of emergency heart surgery
I
| > only get bent about serious things and nothing is as serious as heart
| > surgery <g>)
| >
| >
| Boy, you got that right!  Will you be able to go back to work, or are you
| "stuck at home" so to speak?  I know what that feels like, for what it's
| worth; not even allowed to drive anymore.

Not able to do any real work (I can still drive) but they do let me do a lot
of volunteer stuff so I'm busier now that when I was working for real.
Doc's only requirement is NO JOB/TASK can have a dead line.  (too much
stress).  (I love dead lines they make a sweet noise as they fly by)

I've also learned to stop when the body reaches the 'credit card' limit.  If
I over do it I'm hit with some very unpleasant penalties.



From Kilgallen at SpamCop.net  Thu Apr 28 20:52:45 2005
From: Kilgallen at SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)
Date: Thu Apr 28 20:55:10 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Avoiding sending MIME from Microsoft Windows XP
Message-ID: <oak44ABPjeNZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>

I could use some advice from someone who uses Microsoft Windows.

A correspondent has just installed Microsoft Windows XP, and now he is
sending me MIME email rather than plain text.  I have heard there is
a way for Microsoft users to avoid this behavior on a per-correspondent
basis.  Can anyone describe how to do this.

My correspondent says he sends email with something called "Explorer".
From nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org  Fri Apr 29 02:19:03 2005
From: nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Thu Apr 28 21:20:09 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Avoiding sending MIME from Microsoft Windows XP
References: <oak44ABPjeNZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>
Message-ID: <Xns9646BA73CAB66blammo@216.154.195.61>

On 28 Apr 2005 Larry Kilgallen entered spamcop.geeks and left 
news:oak44ABPjeNZ@eisner.encompasserve.org:

> My correspondent says he sends email with something called "Explorer".
> 

MSN Explorer?

I actually never heard of that particular feature, so I don't know the 
answer. I'm actually able to reinstall XP again, but I don't plan to 
download 80 megs of updates, so I probably won't learn anything new. I 
assume by "user" you are referring to each recipient, not each computer 
user.

Windows users typically don't know what they are doing (MS likes it that 
way), so they often don't know the difference between Internet explorer, 
Outlook Express, MSN Explorer, Pop-up ads that say "you have a virus - 
click here to update", or even web mail for that matter.

- I'm not talking about all Windows users, but probably the majority.

-- 
| Ric
|
From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net  Thu Apr 28 21:21:13 2005
From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO)
Date: Thu Apr 28 21:25:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Avoiding sending MIME from Microsoft Windows XP
References: <oak44ABPjeNZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>
Message-ID: <d4s26b$1q0$1@news.spamcop.net>

"Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message
news:oak44ABPjeNZ@eisner.encompasserve.org...
> I could use some advice from someone who uses Microsoft Windows.
>
> A correspondent has just installed Microsoft Windows XP, and now he is
> sending me MIME email rather than plain text.  I have heard there is
> a way for Microsoft users to avoid this behavior on a per-correspondent
> basis.  Can anyone describe how to do this.
>
> My correspondent says he sends email with something called "Explorer".

As a "new" install, let's go with user not knowing what he's talking
about.  The problem is, he has "Windows Explorer" available,
the File Manager, if you will ... He also has Internet Explorer
available, which may come into play is he's using a web-based
e-mail.  Not stated was the e-mail provider in use (especially
when talking about some free-trial offers that might be involved
that might bring more stuff into the game, for example MSN
Explorer, which would probably include MSN Mail which was
shifted / mixed into the HotMail server farm a long time ago.

Outlook Express (free e-mail/newsreader app) can be set
as a default condition, or selecting the recipient's name and
checking a box under Properties would be what you are
looking for, but "Explorer" is a long way from "Outlook Express"

If Outlook Express is the tool in question, I did up a FAQ that
although it talks about Receiving E-mail ... change the 'path'
to get to that point from "Tools | Options | Read" to read
"Tools | Options | Send" ... see the page at
http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t3571.html


From nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org  Fri Apr 29 02:25:03 2005
From: nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Thu Apr 28 21:30:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Avoiding sending MIME from Microsoft Windows XP
References: <oak44ABPjeNZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>
	<Xns9646BA73CAB66blammo@216.154.195.61>
Message-ID: <Xns9646BB78794DEblammo@216.154.195.61>

On 28 Apr 2005 Blammo entered spamcop.geeks and left 
news:Xns9646BA73CAB66blammo@216.154.195.61:

> I assume by "user" you are referring to each recipient, not each computer 
> user.

Oh, sorry, that is what you said.
There is a plain text option under tools > options > send in OE, but never 
saw a per recipient option like there is in Mozilla Mail.

For MSN mail though,a  search turned up this:

MSN Mail

It is not possible to send "Plain Text" messages using MSN Mail. You must 
use an alternate e-mail program, such as Hotmail, Outlook, Outlook Express, 
Eudora or Netscape.

-- 
| Ric
|
From not at home.today  Fri Apr 29 04:10:25 2005
From: not at home.today (Ant)
Date: Thu Apr 28 22:15:22 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Avoiding sending MIME from Microsoft Windows XP
References: <oak44ABPjeNZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>
Message-ID: <d4s53d$3kj$1@news.spamcop.net>

"Larry Kilgallen" wrote:

> I could use some advice from someone who uses Microsoft Windows.
>
> A correspondent has just installed Microsoft Windows XP, and now he is
> sending me MIME email rather than plain text.  I have heard there is
> a way for Microsoft users to avoid this behavior on a per-correspondent
> basis.  Can anyone describe how to do this.
>
> My correspondent says he sends email with something called "Explorer".

Unlikely; that's the GUI (unless he means Internet Explorer - the web
browser). If he's a typical home user he'll probably be using Outlook
Express. If so, and he's got your address in the Windows Address Book
(WAB), he can get to it via Tools -> Address Book from the OE menu.
If he selects the "Name" tag on the properties dialog for your entry,
there's a check box for plain text only. This should override the
global option (Tools -> Options -> Send -> Mail sending format) if he
prefers to use html for other mail (ugh!).

If he's in a business environment he might be using Outlook which is
not the same as OE, and I don't know about the procedure for that.


From Ilgaz at spamcop.net  Fri Apr 29 12:38:38 2005
From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz)
Date: Fri Apr 29 04:41:12 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Epson C82 printers
References: <d4186m$d48$2@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d4srqe$fpa$1@news.spamcop.net>

On 2005-04-19 00:18:09 +0300, "Frog Prince" <devnull@spamcop.net> said:

> I have two C82 printers with one or more print heads dead.
> 
> Anyone want them they're available for the cost of shipping. (I have the CD
> as well)
> 
> FP
> brother_rabbit @ hotmail.com

You are one evil frog :) While responding to your mail, I figured how 
much I am tired of ink and 1 day later, I ended up buying Epson colour 
laser c1100

Well I don't suggest to everyone, casual prints best is inkjet but my 
hobbies doesn't permit. Especially the evil OS X which has amazting 
printing capabilities. The UI is Postscript, need to say more?

Oh, also thanks to moronic illustration, I spilled half of $60 black 
toner, like 2000 pages worth. Then I called service not figuring the 
toner spilled hit the print head. Speaking about luck.

I just figured it would be cool if I asked service guy about your problem...

Hope you already sold it

Ilgaz

From Ilgaz at spamcop.net  Fri Apr 29 13:42:27 2005
From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz)
Date: Fri Apr 29 05:45:28 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Web Development Interrogatory
References: <d4pdkj$j01$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d4svi3$hgi$1@news.spamcop.net>

On 2005-04-28 04:18:17 +0300, "DC" <hee.haw@jack.ass> said:

> 
> "Rick Carlton" <rcarlton@spamcop.net> wrote in message 
> news:d4ke64$fe5$1@news.spamcop.net...
>> Dwayne Conyers wrote:
>> 
>>> Wonder if there are any other technologies we can deploy server-side -- 
>>>  just started learning about CGI using Perl and Python.  Have some 
>>> "learn in 21-days" books -- but would be helpful to find some 
>>> ready-made source code we can use or modify.
>> 
>> Sounds like PHP might be a fit for you.
>> 
>> Here's a tutorial from a PHP IDE vendor, but the principles are the 
>> same no matter how you are actually ddoing the coding.
>> 
>> http://www.zend.com/zend/tut/odbc.php
> 
> 
> 
> <checking for text mode>
> 
> Thanks all!

Funny is, I am a OS X user, only owning mac and can tell ActiveX or 
Java isn't nessecarily evil. Especially the "java" amused me.

Well, customer is always right :)

About the source: www.sourceforge.net , no need to look anywhere. Oh, 
and donate to the stuff you use (no need to tell I bet)

Ilgaz Ocal

From Ilgaz at spamcop.net  Fri Apr 29 13:45:38 2005
From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz)
Date: Fri Apr 29 05:50:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: FYI Domain Roundtable Conference
References: <d4mb7s$lj4$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d4svo1$hgg$1@news.spamcop.net>

Can anyone attending laugh to .info people faces for me? Can pay $10 
part of ticket for it. :)

(regarding the amazing fact I learned that they gave it free to 
everyone including spammers)

Ilgaz Ocal

On 2005-04-27 00:18:45 +0300, "Frog Prince" <devnull@spamcop.net> said:

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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
> If you need assistance, please e-mail us at may2005@domainroundtable.com.
> Name Intelligence, Customer Service, | 12806 SE 22nd PL -- Bellevue, WA
> 98005


From nobody at nowhere.invalid  Fri Apr 29 13:01:46 2005
From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein)
Date: Fri Apr 29 06:05:06 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Avoiding sending MIME from Microsoft Windows XP
References: <oak44ABPjeNZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>
	<Xns9646BA73CAB66blammo@216.154.195.61>
	<Xns9646BB78794DEblammo@216.154.195.61>
Message-ID: <slrnd741ga.3aa.nobody@127.0.0.1>

On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 01:25:03 +0000 (UTC), Blammo coughed into 
spamcop.geeks and left this in <Xns9646BB78794DEblammo@216.154.195.61>:

> Oh, sorry, that is what you said.
> There is a plain text option under tools > options > send in OE, but never 
> saw a per recipient option like there is in Mozilla Mail.

IIRC from the dark days when I used Windows all those years ago, there's 
an option in the address book to say "This person only wants plain text 
and no fscked up PITA HTML".

-- 
Steve

The only person to get all of his work done by Friday
was Robinson Crusoe
From MikeE at ster.invalid  Fri Apr 29 04:17:18 2005
From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter)
Date: Fri Apr 29 06:20:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Avoiding sending MIME from Microsoft Windows XP
References: <oak44ABPjeNZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>
	<Xns9646BA73CAB66blammo@216.154.195.61>
	<Xns9646BB78794DEblammo@216.154.195.61> <slrnd741ga.3aa.nobody@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <d4t1fr$ior$1@news.spamcop.net>

Steven Maesslein wrote:
> Blammo

>> There is a plain text option under tools > options > send in OE, but
>> never saw a per recipient option like there is in Mozilla Mail.
>
> IIRC from the dark days when I used Windows all those years ago,
> there's an option in the address book to say "This person only wants
> plain text and no fscked up PITA HTML".

Correct.  In the .wab contact Properties/ Name tab/ [near the bottom]
check Send E-Mail using plaintext only

-- 
Mike Easter
kibitzer, not SC admin

From mikeyhsd at sport.rr.com  Fri Apr 29 07:44:50 2005
From: mikeyhsd at sport.rr.com (mikeyhsd)
Date: Fri Apr 29 07:45:28 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Avoiding sending MIME from Microsoft Windows XP
References: <oak44ABPjeNZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>
Message-ID: <d4t6nd$l6c$1@news.spamcop.net>

in your address book there is that option.

mikeyhsd@sport.rr.com

"Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message 
news:oak44ABPjeNZ@eisner.encompasserve.org...
>I could use some advice from someone who uses Microsoft Windows.
>
> A correspondent has just installed Microsoft Windows XP, and now he is
> sending me MIME email rather than plain text.  I have heard there is
> a way for Microsoft users to avoid this behavior on a per-correspondent
> basis.  Can anyone describe how to do this.
>
> My correspondent says he sends email with something called "Explorer". 


From nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org  Fri Apr 29 13:51:56 2005
From: nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Fri Apr 29 08:55:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Avoiding sending MIME from Microsoft Windows XP
References: <oak44ABPjeNZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>
	<Xns9646BA73CAB66blammo@216.154.195.61>
	<Xns9646BB78794DEblammo@216.154.195.61> <slrnd741ga.3aa.nobody@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <Xns96473BCA2350Fblammo@216.154.195.61>

On 29 Apr 2005 Steven Maesslein entered spamcop.geeks and left 
news:slrnd741ga.3aa.nobody@127.0.0.1:

> IIRC from the dark days when I used Windows all those years ago, there's 
> an option in the address book to say "This person only wants plain text 
> and no fscked up PITA HTML".

Oh, I never used the wab for security reasons, I should've thought about 
that before commenting.

-- 
| Ric
From wb8tyw at qsl.network  Fri Apr 29 09:52:47 2005
From: wb8tyw at qsl.network (John E. Malmberg)
Date: Fri Apr 29 08:55:21 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Avoiding sending MIME from Microsoft Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <oak44ABPjeNZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>
References: <oak44ABPjeNZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>
Message-ID: <d4tan0$nal$1@news.spamcop.net>

Larry Kilgallen wrote:
> I could use some advice from someone who uses Microsoft Windows.
> 
> A correspondent has just installed Microsoft Windows XP, and now he is
> sending me MIME email rather than plain text.  I have heard there is
> a way for Microsoft users to avoid this behavior on a per-correspondent
> basis.  Can anyone describe how to do this.

It depends on the route that the message takes from their computer to 
the Internet, and how the user is typing in their address.

If it is going through an exchange server, then there apparently is a 
setting on it to override the user's choice and force all outgoing 
e-mail to be in HTML.  And the server administrator can effectively lock 
down the user from making any changes.

Other than that, it can be specified on a per sending e-mail address or 
if the receiving address, if and only if the receiver is in the address 
book.

The defaults for both options are HTML.  This practice is apparently to 
be compatible with a UNIX GUI mailer client that showed up first.

In addition, there is a box that indicates that replies should be in the 
format that the original message was in.

It appears to override the other two settings.  While you may think that 
should not affect you, if that person is on a mailing list and replies 
to an HTML posting, for at least some versions, all their future replies 
to that same mailing list until their mail program terminates will be in 
HTML.

This has happened on several mailing lists/newsgroups that I frequent, 
and is the reason that some regular posters will suddenly start posting 
in HTML.  They really thought they had set their mailer otherwise.

Since now the reader has the option of suppressing HTML and displaying 
plain text, such a person may not know that they are replying to an HTML 
message.  Unfortunately the some of the people who added that option to 
the mailer did not think to put an indication of what formats the 
message came in to give the user the choice of looking at the other 
formats if they care to.

The exact ritual for changing these things varies greatly with the exact 
product(s) involved and what service packs they have installed.

Oh, and installing upgrades or service packs sometimes switches the 
options back to the default with not notifying the user.

> My correspondent says he sends email with something called "Explorer".

Microsoft is calling several things that.  Only the "help->about" text 
can be used to precisely identify what product they are really using.

Then you may need to find out what they are using as mail servers to get 
to the public Internet.

-John
wb8tyw@qsl.network
Personal Opinion Only
From nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org  Fri Apr 29 13:57:53 2005
From: nttp.sc.sg at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Fri Apr 29 09:00:05 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: FYI Domain Roundtable Conference
References: <d4mb7s$lj4$1@news.spamcop.net> <d4svo1$hgg$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <Xns96473CCC5A720blammo@216.154.195.61>

On 29 Apr 2005 Ilgaz entered spamcop.geeks and left 
news:d4svo1$hgg$1@news.spamcop.net:

> Can anyone attending laugh to .info people faces for me? Can pay $10 
> part of ticket for it. :)
> 
> (regarding the amazing fact I learned that they gave it free to 
> everyone including spammers)
> 

The way they regulate domain names, they may as well just toss tickets into 
the air. How about a free domain name for purchasing 10 gallons of gas?

-- 
| Ric
From devnull at spamcop.net  Fri Apr 29 10:01:52 2005
From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince)
Date: Fri Apr 29 09:05:30 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Epson C82 printers
References: <d4186m$d48$2@news.spamcop.net> <d4srqe$fpa$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d4tb8r$nnd$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Ilgaz"

| You are one evil frog :) While responding to your mail, I figured how
| much I am tired of ink and 1 day later, I ended up buying Epson colour
| laser c1100
|
| Well I don't suggest to everyone, casual prints best is inkjet but my
| hobbies doesn't permit. Especially the evil OS X which has amazing
| printing capabilities. The UI is Postscript, need to say more?
|
| Oh, also thanks to moronic illustration, I spilled half of $60 black
| toner, like 2000 pages worth. Then I called service not figuring the
| toner spilled hit the print head. Speaking about luck.
|
| I just figured it would be cool if I asked service guy about your
problem...
|
| Hope you already sold it

Ilhgz I was once a prince (hence the name frog prince) the sig line (see
below)

C82 is for *free* but the person who gets it must pay the shipping (the
trash guy works for free)

We gave up on Epson: Ink hogs, too many clogs, poor support, unwilling to
provide maintenance manuals, cost of parts to name a few reasons.

Haven't purchases as yet but looking hard at Canon as most of our work is
pre-press proofs and while we are heavy users for that pre-press review the
Canon iP4000 and iP5000 seem to be best suited for that application.

How do you like the Epson Laser C1100 what's good what's bad in your
opinion?

BTW we use both Mac and PC as my wife is a graphic artist.  (the splash
screen on her G4 says "Does not play well with others".  Want to guess who
'others' might be <g>?

Frog Prince
Way past the age of consent and still not getting it ... in either sense of
the word.




From devnull at spamcop.net  Fri Apr 29 10:08:40 2005
From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince)
Date: Fri Apr 29 09:40:05 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: FYI Domain Roundtable Conference
References: <d4mb7s$lj4$1@news.spamcop.net> <d4svo1$hgg$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns96473CCC5A720blammo@216.154.195.61>
Message-ID: <d4tdcm$ouv$1@news.spamcop.net>

"Blammo"
|
| > Can anyone attending laugh to .info people faces for me? Can pay $10
| > part of ticket for it. :)
| >
| > (regarding the amazing fact I learned that they gave it free to
| > everyone including spammers)
| >
|
| The way they regulate domain names, they may as well just toss tickets
into
| the air. How about a free domain name for purchasing 10 gallons of gas?

The cost of a domain went up that much?


From Ilgaz at spamcop.net  Sat Apr 30 00:39:43 2005
From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz)
Date: Fri Apr 29 16:40:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Epson C82 printers
References: <d4tb8r$nnd$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d4u62e$6c3$1@news.spamcop.net>

On 2005-04-29 16:01:52 +0300, "Frog Prince" <devnull@spamcop.net> said:

> 
> "Ilgaz"
> 
> | You are one evil frog :) While responding to your mail, I figured how
> | much I am tired of ink and 1 day later, I ended up buying Epson colour
> | laser c1100
> |
> | Well I don't suggest to everyone, casual prints best is inkjet but my
> | hobbies doesn't permit. Especially the evil OS X which has amazing
> | printing capabilities. The UI is Postscript, need to say more?
> |
> | Oh, also thanks to moronic illustration, I spilled half of $60 black
> | toner, like 2000 pages worth. Then I called service not figuring the
> | toner spilled hit the print head. Speaking about luck.
> |
> | I just figured it would be cool if I asked service guy about your
> problem...
> |
> | Hope you already sold it
> 
> Ilhgz I was once a prince (hence the name frog prince) the sig line (see
> below)
> 
> C82 is for *free* but the person who gets it must pay the shipping (the
> trash guy works for free)
> 
> We gave up on Epson: Ink hogs, too many clogs, poor support, unwilling to
> provide maintenance manuals, cost of parts to name a few reasons.
> 
> Haven't purchases as yet but looking hard at Canon as most of our work is
> pre-press proofs and while we are heavy users for that pre-press review the
> Canon iP4000 and iP5000 seem to be best suited for that application.
> 
> How do you like the Epson Laser C1100 what's good what's bad in your
> opinion?
> 
> BTW we use both Mac and PC as my wife is a graphic artist.  (the splash
> screen on her G4 says "Does not play well with others".  Want to guess who
> 'others' might be <g>?
> 
> Frog Prince
> Way past the age of consent and still not getting it ... in either sense of
> the word.

Hi,

Well my installation was a pure scandal as I spilled half of toner to 
printer head by accident and thanks to stupid illustration showing how 
to shake the toner. Also trying to carry that huge thing, I hurt my 
back :)

I got confused (ever used HP laser?) and thought that "move" is to 
unseal the toner hard way (until hearing click) and half of it gone on 
floor and worse, the feeder.

So I said "my fault" and printed test page. Guess what? White columns 
on test page. A mainstream newspaper admin friend of me said "its fuser 
problem, turn it off" so called service with being amazed at my luck.

The thing turned to be another illustration misunderstanding. Looks 
like I misunderstood the drawing so I was only unlocking the real head 
cleaner part :)

Let me say, while buying it (or any colour laser) get more then 32mb 
ram. At least 64mb. You know how they work, they can't stop at a 
certain point and buffer. I tested pure 24bit 600dpi printing, it said 
'out of memory" and went 300dpi.

As you know, the "dpi" we speak about is _real_ as no ink involved. The 
black quality and colour quality is amazing.

On mac support, Epson and Canon are near equal btw, I have i250 
(lowest!) Canon and works perfectly.

The problem with inkjets are the mechanics as you mention. It has too 
many moving parts. Just figured, its just like tape vs cd player.

As I mentioned above, printer gives black toner alert already so I 
could just try printing couple of pages until I order new toner and 
RAM. Its perfect to me.

I had very bad memories with inkjets and whatever I tried, ink wasn't 
enough. The third party ink was always problematic too. So as I figured 
there are people still using their Apple Laserjets back from 1992, I 
better buy Laser already :)

Speaking for mac, Epson C1100 is really fine, after I install ram, it 
will do real good tricks (virtual 2400 dpi) and very interestingly, the 
software is looking identical on mac and windows. Of course, its 
postscript.

I mean, not like 50 features on XP, 20 features on Mac deal. Identical stuff.

Also this one is "real" usb2 printer, Apple reports 480mbps connection 
and its fine on non branded usb hub.

Have a nice day and really your post leaded all of this :)

Ilgaz Ocal

From nobody at spamcop.net  Fri Apr 29 17:54:43 2005
From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo)
Date: Fri Apr 29 16:55:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Epson C82 printers
References: <d4tb8r$nnd$1@news.spamcop.net> <d4u62e$6c3$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d4u6uj$6mi$1@news.spamcop.net>



Ilgaz wrote:
>
> Let me say, while buying it (or any colour laser) get more then 32mb
> ram. At least 64mb. You know how they work, they can't stop at a
> certain point and buffer. I tested pure 24bit 600dpi printing, it said
> 'out of memory" and went 300dpi.
>

If you have an old extra PC laying around that you can turn it into a print
server you don't need additional printer RAM. Some of our powerpoint
presentations around here get into the hundreds of MBs, sending it directly
to *any* printer would kill it.


From Ilgaz at spamcop.net  Sat Apr 30 11:33:30 2005
From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz)
Date: Sat Apr 30 03:35:11 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Epson C82 printers
References: <d4u6uj$6mi$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <d4vcca$ous$1@news.spamcop.net>

On 2005-04-29 23:54:43 +0300, "indigo" <nobody@spamcop.net> said:

> 
> 
> Ilgaz wrote:
>> 
>> Let me say, while buying it (or any colour laser) get more then 32mb
>> ram. At least 64mb. You know how they work, they can't stop at a
>> certain point and buffer. I tested pure 24bit 600dpi printing, it said
>> 'out of memory" and went 300dpi.
>> 
> 
> If you have an old extra PC laying around that you can turn it into a print
> server you don't need additional printer RAM. Some of our powerpoint
> presentations around here get into the hundreds of MBs, sending it directly
> to *any* printer would kill it.

No, laser is different issue. Because of method of printing, it needs 
to have a page completely in memory.

Thats why they all come with lots of RAM.

E.g. my poor i250 can get 600dpi and can "pause" for more data, laser can't.

I am completely free of PCs here ;) Thanks for the tip, I wish more 
could do it. There are amazing stuff you can do with a regular 133mhz 
Pentium with a bit ram running FreeBSD or Linux.

Ilgaz Ocal
ps: I will pay extra to service to install ram, I am afraid of this 
printer after all those :)

From anthony.edwards at uk.easynet.net  Sat Apr 30 23:35:32 2005
From: anthony.edwards at uk.easynet.net (Anthony Edwards)
Date: Sat Apr 30 18:40:05 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Avoiding sending MIME from Microsoft Windows XP
References: <oak44ABPjeNZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>
Message-ID: <d5117j$i8h$1@news.spamcop.net>

On 28 Apr 2005 19:52:45 -0500, Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote:
> I could use some advice from someone who uses Microsoft Windows.

Here's some from someone who doesn't use Microsoft Windows.  Don't use
Microsoft Windows!

Seriously.  Far preferable alternatives (Mac OS X, various flavours of
Linux) are now so accessible and easy to use and install that there is
no reason to stick with a far inferior alternative.

Mac OS X requires the purchase of Apple hardware of course (not a
hardship other than in certain circumstances perhaps economically,
as it is beautiful hardware and well worth the initial investment),
but modern Linux distributions such as Ubuntu (the easiest Linux to
install, ever) and SuSE (a close second) will run on pretty much any
hardware that will run Windows.

http://www.ubuntulinux.org/
http://www.novell.com/linux/suse/index.html

-- 
Anthony Edwards              *     anthony.edwards@uk.easynet.net
Abuse Team Manager           *     Tel: 0800 053 0588
Easynet Ltd                  *     DDI: 0161 227 0707
http://www.uk.easynet.net    *     Fax: 0845 333 4503
From Kilgallen at SpamCop.net  Sat Apr 30 20:56:55 2005
From: Kilgallen at SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)
Date: Sat Apr 30 21:00:05 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Avoiding sending MIME from Microsoft Windows XP
References: <oak44ABPjeNZ@eisner.encompasserve.org>
	<d5117j$i8h$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <w1RKMlvCEhQx@eisner.encompasserve.org>

In article <d5117j$i8h$1@news.spamcop.net>, Anthony Edwards <anthony.edwards@uk.easynet.net> writes:
> On 28 Apr 2005 19:52:45 -0500, Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote:
>> I could use some advice from someone who uses Microsoft Windows.
> 
> Here's some from someone who doesn't use Microsoft Windows.  Don't use
> Microsoft Windows!

It should have been obvious from my question that I have no interest
in using Microsoft Windows.  However, I have no desire to antagonize
a customer who pays me money to do work that does not involve the use
of Microsoft Windows.  He uses Microsoft Windows to send me orders
and the like, and I am not about to jeopardize that relationship.