From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Aug 1 11:51:19 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Aug 1 10:55:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: Rick Carlton wrote: > indigo wrote: > > But you're describing line conducted emissions, not radiative > > sources. Wouldn't only radiative interference (EMI) cause problems > > with a wireless system? > > > My bad.... I've been mixing questions about the two possibilities. > > This is what I mean re: microwave > > http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials/article.php/3116531 Wow. Interesting article. That GoldStar microwave must be making a lot of male employees have funky DNA! From dlane-olson at synoffsys.com Mon Aug 1 16:52:03 2005 From: dlane-olson at synoffsys.com (D-LO) Date: Mon Aug 1 16:00:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Well, the 'Spamcop' SETI group just cracked half a million... References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:dceph0$5dn$1@news.spamcop.net... > Skiwi wrote: >> ... next is the full million! :-) Maybe we can find an alien >> along the way? :-) > > How come you guys didn't find that new alleged planet in our solar > system, huh? > > -- > Mike Easter > kibitzer, not SC admin > What makes you think we didn't? -- D-LO From dlane-olson at synoffsys.com Mon Aug 1 16:54:55 2005 From: dlane-olson at synoffsys.com (D-LO) Date: Mon Aug 1 16:00:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:dc66lr$3hj$1@news.spamcop.net... > D-LO wrote: > >> I can't find any logging happening on the AP's. I have basic logging >> enable on the FW114Ps, but I think I will expand that - have to look >> at what can be logged to see if it will be helpful. > > I just *LUV* WallWatcher and it can do the NetGear FR114P as well as > many others http://www.sonic.net/wallwatcher/#Routers WALLWATCHER > SUPPORTS THESE ROUTERS (and similar routers from the same > manufacturers): > > > -- > Mike Easter > kibitzer, not SC admin > > Kewl! Thanks for the link - I'm definitely going to try that out - it looks great. -- D-LO From dlane-olson at synoffsys.com Mon Aug 1 17:02:01 2005 From: dlane-olson at synoffsys.com (D-LO) Date: Mon Aug 1 16:10:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:dcft26$ofs$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Brian" > | > Thanks that'll likely work but I still need to know where each > 'station' > is > | > located and the HAGL (height above ground level) of each antenna. > | > > | > | D-Lo will have to fill you in with the station locations. Also, > there's > | a tab for the aerial view that may be of some help and you can > increase > | the size of the map in the top left corner. > | > | > http://terraserver-usa.com/imageinfo.aspx?T=1&S=11&Z=18&X=1568&Y=11611&W=3 > > I checked the aerial view and there's not enough resolution to tell > hills > from buildings. Still playing with it non the less but from other > post I'm > expecting there are other factors at play. > > The whole idea sounds very interesting, FP, but I have to tell you that I think we actually found the source of the problem, and it has nothing to do with link budgets or signal strength. In another part of this thread, I mentioned that we had found a load of spyware on one of the staff workstations. Since shutting down that workstation a week ago, we haven't had any more problems...except this weekend when we had a wild (really exciting actually) series of thunderstorms, and there was either a power outage or someone went around and shut things down. Once the storms cleared, though, everything seemed to come back up OK. We're theorizing that somehow the APs and/or router saw the spyware/malware as a DOS or other type of intrusion attack and was shutting down because of it. -- D-LO From borgholio at storymind.com Mon Aug 1 14:11:19 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Mon Aug 1 16:15:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: D-LO wrote: > "Frog Prince" wrote in message > news:dcft26$ofs$1@news.spamcop.net... > >> >> "Brian" > >> | > Thanks that'll likely work but I still need to know where each >> 'station' >> is >> | > located and the HAGL (height above ground level) of each antenna. >> | > >> | >> | D-Lo will have to fill you in with the station locations. Also, there's >> | a tab for the aerial view that may be of some help and you can increase >> | the size of the map in the top left corner. >> | >> | >> http://terraserver-usa.com/imageinfo.aspx?T=1&S=11&Z=18&X=1568&Y=11611&W=3 >> >> >> I checked the aerial view and there's not enough resolution to tell hills >> from buildings. Still playing with it non the less but from other >> post I'm >> expecting there are other factors at play. >> >> > > The whole idea sounds very interesting, FP, but I have to tell you that > I think we actually found the source of the problem, and it has nothing > to do with link budgets or signal strength. In another part of this > thread, I mentioned that we had found a load of spyware on one of the > staff workstations. Since shutting down that workstation a week ago, we > haven't had any more problems...except this weekend when we had a wild > (really exciting actually) series of thunderstorms, and there was either > a power outage or someone went around and shut things down. Once the > storms cleared, though, everything seemed to come back up OK. We're > theorizing that somehow the APs and/or router saw the spyware/malware as > a DOS or other type of intrusion attack and was shutting down because of > it. > You need to shut down the person who used that workstation. From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Aug 1 17:31:12 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Aug 1 16:40:01 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: "D-LO" | > I checked the aerial view and there's not enough resolution to tell | > hills from buildings. Still playing with it non the less but from other | > post I'm expecting there are other factors at play. | > | > | | The whole idea sounds very interesting, FP, but I have to tell you that | I think we actually found the source of the problem, and it has nothing | to do with link budgets or signal strength. In another part of this | thread, I mentioned that we had found a load of spyware on one of the | staff workstations. Since shutting down that workstation a week ago, we | haven't had any more problems...except this weekend when we had a wild | (really exciting actually) series of thunderstorms, and there was either | a power outage or someone went around and shut things down. Once the | storms cleared, though, everything seemed to come back up OK. We're | theorizing that somehow the APs and/or router saw the spyware/malware as | a DOS or other type of intrusion attack and was shutting down because of | it. Could it be 'other factors'? BTW I would put more on the bad stuff overloading the wifi than any 'intelligence' on the part of the wifi system. From skiwi at spamcop.net Mon Aug 1 19:53:32 2005 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (Skiwi) Date: Mon Aug 1 21:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Well, the 'Spamcop' SETI group just cracked half a million... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: D-LO wrote: > "Mike Easter" wrote in message > news:dceph0$5dn$1@news.spamcop.net... > >> Skiwi wrote: >> >>> ... next is the full million! :-) Maybe we can find an alien >>> along the way? :-) >> How come you guys didn't find that new alleged planet in our solar >> system, huh? > What makes you think we didn't? D-Lo, I thought YOU were going to tell Karl R. to publicize it? :-P From skiwi at spamcop.net Mon Aug 1 20:59:33 2005 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (Skiwi) Date: Mon Aug 1 23:00:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Well, the 'Spamcop' SETI group just cracked half a million... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dave Lerner wrote: > Skiwi wrote on 07/29/2005 10:23 PM: > >>... next is the full million! :-) Maybe we can find an alien along >>the way? :-) > > The joke will be on you when you find one, and he's PO-ed at being > found, and beams into your house and eats you. ;) On no, he has promised 'us' some positions in the occupation forces - it is 'you' that will be used and abused Cartman-style... :-P From skiwi at spamcop.net Mon Aug 1 21:00:51 2005 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (Skiwi) Date: Mon Aug 1 23:05:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Well, the 'Spamcop' SETI group just cracked half a million... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Skiwi wrote: > >>... next is the full million! :-) Maybe we can find an alien >>along the way? :-) > > > How come you guys didn't find that new alleged planet in our solar > system, huh? 'cause that would entail *actual work* rather than just installing some software and listening to out CPU fans perk up when we are not using the PC/s! :-P From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Aug 2 15:12:20 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Aug 2 14:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] PING D-LO Re: How can I determine source of wireless activity? References: <1122934183.055600.61270@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <8este193in2746r18169jtq3sekms6u9ec@4ax.com> Message-ID: >From another news group. "Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message \ >| >| >Is there a way I can see what incoming (or possibly outgoing) traffic >| >is coming or going? I'm not too worried... my wireless is 128 WEP >| >encrypted, and I only allow the 2 other MAC IDs I own. I'm more >| >annoyed/curious. >| > >| >What tool (free?) can I use? >| >| AirSnare: >| http://home.comcast.net/~jay.deboer/airsnare/ >| >| There are others but I like this one. >Any versions that will monitor remotely? Well, that depends on what you consider remote. Sveasoft Alchemy does PPTP VPN (or IPSec if compiled from source) which can act as a remote VPN tunnel over the internet to your remote computah. It's like you were on the local LAN, with local LAN IP addresses, but running over the internet. Just about anything you can do on the local LAN at the router, you can do remotely through a VPN tunnel. Methinks running AirSnare through a VPN tunnel will work. I can try it if you want, but I'm kinda busy/lazy/burned-out/irate/bummed/etc this week. If you wanna do "real" remote monitoring, look into enabling syslog on the WRT54G and point it to your remote computah. Run a syslog server (there are numerous syslog servers for every operating system) and use one of the numerous syslog report writers to extract the data or detect changes. If you wanna do it crudely, try running Linux "arpwatch" which will detect new MAC addresses on the LAN. If you're really into this, you can also use SNMP to monitor the MAC addresses on the wireless port. Sveasoft Alchemy does SNMP. Dig out one of the numerous SNMPwalk utilities to dump the part of the MIB tree with the MAC address, and scribble your own script to detect changes. #Begin_rant; Incidentally, I usually ignore one line questions and followups. The reason is that they usually don't contain enough information for a decent answer. In this case, I have no idea if you have the same router and firmware as the original poster, what operating system you're using on your monitoring computer, and exactly what you mean by "remotely". Get with the program and kindly supply: 1. What problem are you trying to solve or what are you trying to accomplish? 2. What do you have to work with? (Hardware, software, topology). #End_rant; -- # Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D Santa Cruz CA 95060 # 831.336.2558 voice http://www.LearnByDestroying.com # http://802.11junk.com # jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us # jeffl@cruzio.com AE6KS From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue Aug 2 12:39:58 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue Aug 2 14:40:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: PING D-LO Re: How can I determine source of wireless activity? References: <1122934183.055600.61270@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <8este193in2746r18169jtq3sekms6u9ec@4ax.com> Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > From another news group. > > "Jeff Liebermann" > Sveasoft Alchemy does There is a lot of discussion going on in a couple of different ng/s - comp.security.firewalls and alt.internet.wireless - about the *wonderful* firmware by Sveasoft for the WRT54G and some other wireless routers which not only convert it into much more of a real firewall instead of 'just another [wireless] NAT device' -- but also enable a lot of other features. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From dlane-olson at synoffsys.com Tue Aug 2 17:07:58 2005 From: dlane-olson at synoffsys.com (D-LO) Date: Tue Aug 2 16:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:dcm163$p8b$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Could it be 'other factors'? BTW I would put more on the bad stuff > overloading the wifi than any 'intelligence' on the part of the wifi > system. > > "Other factors" such as? The phase of the moon? The fairies? Butterfly poop on the antennas? Could be any number of things, I guess ;-) -- D-LO From dlane-olson at synoffsys.com Tue Aug 2 17:10:18 2005 From: dlane-olson at synoffsys.com (D-LO) Date: Tue Aug 2 16:15:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: Borgholio" wrote in message news:dclvl5$o4j$1@news.spamcop.net... >> > > You need to shut down the person who used that workstation. Agreed...I think we did. Of course, then there's the kid who comes up to us with his I-Pod and asks us if he can connect to the wireless network (and yes, it does have a wireless NIC in it). Ummmmm, would you believe no? -- D-LO From dlane-olson at synoffsys.com Tue Aug 2 17:13:32 2005 From: dlane-olson at synoffsys.com (D-LO) Date: Tue Aug 2 16:20:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: PING D-LO Re: How can I determine source of wireless activity? References: <1122934183.055600.61270@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <8este193in2746r18169jtq3sekms6u9ec@4ax.com> Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:dcoelp$6sk$1@news.spamcop.net... > Frog Prince wrote: >> From another news group. >> >> "Jeff Liebermann" > >> Sveasoft Alchemy does > > There is a lot of discussion going on in a couple of different ng/s - > comp.security.firewalls and alt.internet.wireless - about the > *wonderful* firmware by Sveasoft for the WRT54G and some other > wireless > routers which not only convert it into much more of a real firewall > instead of 'just another [wireless] NAT device' -- but also enable a > lot > of other features. > > > -- > Mike Easter > kibitzer, not SC admin > Thanks! -- D-LO From dlane-olson at synoffsys.com Tue Aug 2 17:19:04 2005 From: dlane-olson at synoffsys.com (D-LO) Date: Tue Aug 2 16:25:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Well, the 'Spamcop' SETI group just cracked half a million... References: Message-ID: "Skiwi" wrote in message news:dcmjms$2nl$1@news.spamcop.net... > D-LO wrote: >> "Mike Easter" wrote in message >> news:dceph0$5dn$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >>> Skiwi wrote: >>> >>>> ... next is the full million! :-) Maybe we can find an alien >>>> along the way? :-) > >>> How come you guys didn't find that new alleged planet in our solar >>> system, huh? > >> What makes you think we didn't? > > D-Lo, I thought YOU were going to tell Karl R. to publicize it? :-P I did, but he said, "That new planet only got discovered because his wife (who happens to work for the Palomar Observatory) sent him on a fact-finding mission," and Time said, "Oh no, we're not falling for THAT one again!" -- D-LO From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Aug 2 17:28:34 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Aug 2 16:30:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: D-LO wrote: > "Frog Prince" wrote in message > news:dcm163$p8b$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > > > Could it be 'other factors'? BTW I would put more on the bad stuff > > overloading the wifi than any 'intelligence' on the part of the wifi > > system. > > > > > > "Other factors" such as? The phase of the moon? The fairies? Butterfly > poop on the antennas? Could be any number of things, I guess ;-) Gotta be sunspots..... From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Aug 2 22:18:56 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Aug 2 21:20:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wireless networking issues References: Message-ID: "D-LO" | > | > Could it be 'other factors'? BTW I would put more on the bad stuff | > overloading the wifi than any 'intelligence' on the part of the wifi | > system. | > | > | | "Other factors" such as? The phase of the moon? The fairies? Butterfly | poop on the antennas? Could be any number of things, I guess ;-) The bad boy scrummed up computer for one. From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Aug 3 12:34:46 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Aug 3 11:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] How to add X- text to a header? Message-ID: I'm running OE and am curious about how to add X-text to the header as a standard boiler plate. For example I can use the Keywords: option to append X-No-Archive: yes to the header but have no idea how to do this so that it is automatic. Likewise I'd be interested in adding a copy right notice as well. Can this be done? If so how? and is it a complicated process? TIA FP From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Aug 3 10:10:59 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Aug 3 12:15:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: How to add X- text to a header? References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > I'm running OE and am curious about how to add X-text to the header > as a standard boiler plate. Do you mean make some kind of change somewhere like the registry to get such a result 'permanently'? I don't think that can be done. What 'everyone' does is to just add it manually on the first line of the body. Or text from file. Or have some kind of 3rd party macro gizmo. > For example I can use the Keywords: option to append X-No-Archive: > yes to the header but have no idea how to do this so that it is > automatic. That keywords won't work, because keywords is keywords; XNA is XNA. > Likewise I'd be interested in adding a copy right notice > as well. You can add 'anything' including XNA or copyright boilerplate by Insert/ Text from file > Can this be done? If so how? and is it a complicated process? -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From asterix at no_where.net Wed Aug 3 22:40:27 2005 From: asterix at no_where.net (Asterix) Date: Wed Aug 3 15:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: How to add X- text to a header? References: Message-ID: <1h0qmra.6y184vokhbi4N%asterix@no_where.net> Mike Easter wrote: > Frog Prince wrote: > > I'm running OE and am curious about how to add X-text to the header > > as a standard boiler plate. > > Do you mean make some kind of change somewhere like the registry to get > such a result 'permanently'? I don't think that can be done. What > 'everyone' does is to just add it manually on the first line of the > body. Or text from file. Or have some kind of 3rd party macro gizmo. Or a real newsreader application like Agent, Thoth, Xnews, MacSOUP, Thunderbird, Unison or Newsbin. In short - anything but OE. -- I recommend Macs to my friends, and Windows machines to those whom I don't mind billing by the hour From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Aug 3 17:13:46 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Aug 3 16:25:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: How to add X- text to a header? References: <1h0qmra.6y184vokhbi4N%asterix@no_where.net> Message-ID: "Asterix" | > Frog Prince wrote: | > > I'm running OE and am curious about how to add X-text to the header | > > as a standard boiler plate. | > | > Do you mean make some kind of change somewhere like the registry to get | > such a result 'permanently'? I don't think that can be done. What | > 'everyone' does is to just add it manually on the first line of the | > body. Or text from file. Or have some kind of 3rd party macro gizmo. | | Or a real newsreader application like Agent, Thoth, Xnews, MacSOUP, | Thunderbird, Unison or Newsbin. In short - anything but OE. | | -- | I recommend Macs to my friends, and Windows machines | to those whom I don't mind billing by the hour We're playing with Hogwasher for the Macs but have not found an alternative to OE as yet. Do to the number of different system we need to play with I'm hoping I can find something that works on all platforms. From nobody at nowhere.not Wed Aug 3 21:38:36 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.not (Robert Blair) Date: Wed Aug 3 16:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: How to add X- text to a header? References: <1h0qmra.6y184vokhbi4N%asterix@no_where.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 20:13:46 UTC, "Frog Prince" wrote: > We're playing with Hogwasher for the Macs but have not found an alternative > to OE as yet. Do to the number of different system we need to play with I'm > hoping I can find something that works on all platforms. I use Polarbar . It is a JAVA application so will run on any OS that has a standard JAVA available. It is a little slow at startup but performs very well after that. It does allow extra headers although I have not used them. -- Robert Blair From asterix at no_where.net Thu Aug 4 22:52:29 2005 From: asterix at no_where.net (Asterix) Date: Thu Aug 4 15:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: How to add X- text to a header? References: <1h0qmra.6y184vokhbi4N%asterix@no_where.net> Message-ID: <1h0shvw.18rua9povc9x3N%asterix@no_where.net> Frog Prince wrote: > We're playing with Hogwasher for the Macs but have not found an alternative > to OE as yet. Do to the number of different system we need to play with I'm > hoping I can find something that works on all platforms. There is no standard solution. It's in the settings - usually the account settings - of each newsreader app as "Extra headers" or something in the same spirit. I still haven't used a newsreader where you can't do that. OTOH I haven't checked OE6 ;-) -- I recommend Macs to my friends, and Windows machines to those whom I don't mind billing by the hour From nobody at nowhere.invalid Fri Aug 5 12:26:32 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Fri Aug 5 05:30:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: How to add X- text to a header? References: Message-ID: On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:34:46 -0400, Frog Prince coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > Can this be done? If so how? and is it a complicated process? With just about any mailer/newsreader other than OE, yes. With OE, no. -- Steve The best way to accelerate a Windows-infested computer is at 9.8 m.s^-2 From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Aug 5 12:48:15 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Aug 5 11:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: How to add X- text to a header? References: Message-ID: "Steven Maesslein" | | > Can this be done? If so how? and is it a complicated process? | | With just about any mailer/newsreader other than OE, yes. With OE, no. Good idea, I'm genuinely interest in alternatives. Right now I'm looking seriously at Hogwasher for Mac but need something workable for MS. I'd really like something that would give the same UI for all platforms but would give me flexibility as well. My problem lots of legacy equipment, lack of deep understanding of the options and a state of general confusion. FP | | The best way to accelerate a Windows-infested computer is at 9.8 m.s^-2 LOL I'd be looking to watch the transition at the end of the parabolic path. From rcarlton at spamcop.net Fri Aug 5 13:37:09 2005 From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton) Date: Fri Aug 5 15:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: How to add X- text to a header? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > > I'd recommend Thuderbird then. IIRC, it can share newsrc files so > that if you read an article on one machine, it won't show up on the > other. > I agree. I run it on XP and Mac OS X and it's fantastic. Have the same plugings installed cross-platform as well. From rcarlton at spamcop.net Fri Aug 5 17:35:01 2005 From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton) Date: Fri Aug 5 19:40:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] First family of Windows Vista viruses unleashed Message-ID: from http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/08/04/vistaviruses/index.php An Austrian hacker earned the dubious distinction of writing what are thought to be the first known viruses for Microsoft Corp.?s Windows Vista operating system. Written in July, the viruses take advantage of a new command shell, code-named Monad, that is included in the Windows Vista beta code. The viruses were published last month in a virus-writing tutorial written for an underground hacker group calling itself the Ready Ranger Liberation Front, and take advantage of security vulnerabilities in the new command shell. Unlike the traditional Windows graphical user interface, which relies heavily on the mouse for navigation, command shells allow users to use powerful text-based commands, much like Windows? predecessor, DOS. The viruses were written by a hacker calling himself ?Second Part To Hell,? and published on July 21, just days after Monad was publicly released by Microsoft, according to Mikko Hypp?nen, chief research officer with Helsinki?s F-Secure Corp. Second Part To Hell is the pseudonym of an Austrian-based hacker who also goes by the name Mario, Hypp?nen said. Because of its sophistication, the new command shell offers new opportunities for hackers, Second Part To Hell wrote in the tutorial, a copy of which was obtained by the IDG News Service. ?Monad will be like Linux?s BASH (Bourne Again Shell) ? that means a great number of commands and functions,? he wrote. ?We will be able to make as huge and complex scripts as we do in Linux.? F-Secure has named the virus family Danom (Monad in reverse). After examining the code, Hypp?nen said that the Danom family is disruptive, but not capable of causing significant damage to Windows users. ?These are proof of concept viruses,? he said, ?Where virus writers want to break new ground and write the first viruses for a new platform.? Most security experts had not expected to see a Windows Vista virus so soon, Hypp?nen said. ?The only surprise here is that it came so early,? he said. ?It?s been eight days since the beta of the operating system was out.? Monad was released several days prior to the Windows Vista beta. Still, Danom?s release does raise questions about whether or not Microsoft should enable the Monad shell by default in Windows Vista. Because Monad?s scripting capabilities will only be used by advanced users, Hypp?nen believes Microsoft should not offer the software as part of the standard Windows Vista package when it becomes commercially available in the second half of 2006. This would make the software less prevalent, and therefore less attractive to virus writers, he said. Microsoft ?got burned,? by including similar software, called Windows Script Host, by default in its Windows 2000 operating system, he said. ?Since it was on the system, all the virus writers were exploiting it,? he said. Microsoft was unable to comment on this story at press time. From pantheus at suespammers.org Fri Aug 5 18:44:52 2005 From: pantheus at suespammers.org (Ken Knull) Date: Fri Aug 5 20:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: First family of Windows Vista viruses unleashed References: Message-ID: On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 16:35:01 -0700, Rick Carlton wrote: > from http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/08/04/vistaviruses/index.php > Microsoft was unable to comment on this story at press time. But now they have ;-) http://blogs.technet.com/msrc/archive/2005/08/05/408720.aspx >From /. "According to Stephen Toulouse at Microsoft, because of the possible virus threat that targets Monad the shell will not be included in Windows Vista. CNet is reporting that, even though Monad is not to be included on Vista, it will be included on a major server operating system for servers from Microsoft. Codenamed Longhorn server, that edition is due out by 2007." From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Aug 5 18:48:38 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Aug 5 20:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: First family of Windows Vista viruses unleashed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ken Knull wrote: > On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 16:35:01 -0700, Rick Carlton wrote: > > >>from http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/08/04/vistaviruses/index.php > > >>Microsoft was unable to comment on this story at press time. > > > But now they have ;-) > > http://blogs.technet.com/msrc/archive/2005/08/05/408720.aspx > > From /. > "According to Stephen Toulouse at Microsoft, because of the possible > virus threat that targets Monad the shell will not be included in Windows > Vista. CNet is reporting that, even though Monad is not to be included on > Vista, it will be included on a major server operating system for servers > from Microsoft. Codenamed Longhorn server, that edition is due out by > 2007." So they'll put the flawed shell in the most critical version of their new OS? That's MS for ya... From rcarlton at spamcop.net Fri Aug 5 18:51:15 2005 From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton) Date: Fri Aug 5 20:55:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: First family of Windows Vista viruses unleashed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > So they'll put the flawed shell in the most critical version of their > new OS? That's MS for ya... No different than their forcing you to install their media player on servers. From nobody at nowhere.not Sat Aug 6 03:58:03 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.not (Robert Blair) Date: Fri Aug 5 23:00:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: First family of Windows Vista viruses unleashed References: Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 23:35:01 UTC, Rick Carlton wrote: > Most security experts had not expected to see a Windows Vista virus so > soon, Hypp”nen said. The only surprise here is that it came so early, > he said. Its been eight days since the beta of the operating system > was out. Monad was released several days prior to the Windows Vista beta. I do not understand these so called "security experts". If they really are security experts they should know that security is about the last thing MS thinks about when trying to come up with a new system. -- Robert Blair From avoozl at spamcop.net Sat Aug 6 03:06:40 2005 From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Sat Aug 6 05:10:44 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: First family of Windows Vista viruses unleashed References: Message-ID: But I WANT sound and multimedia on my server :-P Chris "Rick Carlton" wrote in message news:dd11i4$rcr$1@news.spamcop.net... > Borgholio wrote: >> So they'll put the flawed shell in the most critical version of their >> new OS? That's MS for ya... > > No different than their forcing you to install their media player on > servers. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Sat Aug 6 12:16:08 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Sat Aug 6 05:20:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: First family of Windows Vista viruses unleashed References: Message-ID: On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 17:44:52 -0700, Ken Knull coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > "According to Stephen Toulouse at Microsoft, because of the possible > virus threat that targets Monad the shell will not be included in Windows > Vista. Hmm... Does that mean that they'll remove from Vista anything that's prone to attack? I guess that means they'll be supplying blank CDs. -- Steve Linux: the choice of a GNU generation -- ksh @ cis . ufl . edu put this on Tshirts in '93 From avoozl at spamcop.net Sat Aug 6 08:43:27 2005 From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Sat Aug 6 10:45:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: First family of Windows Vista viruses unleashed References: Message-ID: Personally, I'd rather they just include it and fix the bugs. *shrug* Chris "Steven Maesslein" wrote in message news:slrndf8vuo.38t.nobody@127.0.0.1... > Hmm... Does that mean that they'll remove from Vista anything that's > prone to attack? > > I guess that means they'll be supplying blank CDs. > > -- > Steve > > Linux: the choice of a GNU generation > -- ksh @ cis . ufl . edu put this on Tshirts in '93 From nobody at nowhere.invalid Sat Aug 6 19:40:37 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Sat Aug 6 12:45:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: First family of Windows Vista viruses unleashed References: Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 07:43:27 -0700, Chris F. Willoughby coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > Personally, I'd rather they just include it and fix the bugs. *shrug* You'd rather who include what and fix what bugs? There was no context above your message to indicate what you were responding to. -- Steve Computers are like air conditioners They stop working properly when you open Windows From jr70 at blackhole.invalid Sat Aug 6 11:38:12 2005 From: jr70 at blackhole.invalid (John Richards) Date: Sat Aug 6 13:40:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: First family of Windows Vista viruses unleashed References: Message-ID: Steven Maesslein wrote: > On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 07:43:27 -0700, Chris F. Willoughby coughed into > spamcop.geeks and left this in : > >> Personally, I'd rather they just include it and fix the bugs. *shrug* > > You'd rather who include what and fix what bugs? > > There was no context above your message to indicate what you were > responding to. But the context was there, immediately below on the same screen, available for those with very short attention spans. -- John Richards From nobody at nowhere.invalid Sat Aug 6 23:16:26 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Sat Aug 6 16:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: First family of Windows Vista viruses unleashed References: Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 10:38:12 -0700, John Richards coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > But the context was there, immediately below on the same screen, > available for those with very short attention spans. I don't read back-to-front so I didn't look at what was below the latest text. -- Steve Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish, and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day. From jr70 at blackhole.invalid Sat Aug 6 20:24:57 2005 From: jr70 at blackhole.invalid (John Richards) Date: Sat Aug 6 22:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: First family of Windows Vista viruses unleashed References: Message-ID: Steven Maesslein wrote: > On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 10:38:12 -0700, John Richards coughed into > spamcop.geeks and left this in : > >> But the context was there, immediately below on the same screen, >> available for those with very short attention spans. > > I don't read back-to-front so I didn't look at what was below the latest > text. So you admit you have extremely poor mental retention, not even remembering what you read a post or two earlier. I feel sorry for you. -- John Richards From nobody at nowhere.invalid Sun Aug 7 15:34:21 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Sun Aug 7 08:35:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: First family of Windows Vista viruses unleashed References: Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 19:24:57 -0700, John Richards coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > So you admit you have extremely poor mental retention, not even > remembering what you read a post or two earlier. > I feel sorry for you. "A post or two earlier"? Since sending the message to which the above quoted text is a reply, I have read several hundred messages in many threads and on many topics ranging from e-mail abuse to the Dutch language via Unix and food. spamcop.geeks is not the only source of messages I read. If it is yours then *I* feel sorry for *you*. -- Steve Politics is the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow, next week, next month and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen. -- Winston Churchill From borgholio at storymind.com Sun Aug 7 14:55:15 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sun Aug 7 16:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Need Floppy Disc Diagnostic Machine Message-ID: I have a buttload of old floppies I want to format and test...but I don't want to manually format and scandisk them one by one. I know they have automated formatters / testers out there, but for the life of me I can't find any! Any help? From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Aug 7 16:21:36 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (GregR) Date: Sun Aug 7 18:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Sound Card audio over IP? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rick Carlton wrote: > Dunno if this is exactly what you are looking for - but it's worth a > shot... > > "NINJAM is a program to allow people to make real music together via the > Internet. Every participant can hear every other participant. Each user > can also tweak their personal mix to his or her liking. NINJAM is > cross-platform, with clients available for Mac OS X and Windows." > > http://www.ninjam.com/ It just might work, don't know why it didn't turn up in my search but thanks for the link. Also don't know if I like the idea of a 3rd party "listening in" on what's going on (and I'd really prefer a direct peer-peer connection), but it's the only thing so far that comes close to filling the bill. I'll give it a try and see what happens, thanks for digging that up. :-) > Open Source and all that. I like that too. :-) -- GregR - Another Beemer Biker ...o&o> From MikeE at ster.invalid Sun Aug 7 16:25:27 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sun Aug 7 18:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need Floppy Disc Diagnostic Machine References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > I have a buttload of old floppies I want to format and test...but I > don't want to manually format and scandisk them one by one. I know > they have automated formatters / testers out there, but for the life > of me I can't find any! Any help? This is not any answer, but the first question that popped into my head. Why on earth would you want to spend any time or money on that type of media? It is unreliable and not good for very much of anything. Not 'nothing', but not very much. Pretty soon there won't even be anything to read or write on it with. You may still find a fdd, but there won't be anything mobo to connect it to. That is, more and more mobo/s are dropping FDD support, along with some other vintage or legacy ports. I have a pile of floppies over there, some of them 720s, that I shouldn't be allowing to collect dust. They are in the same closet with my Atari STs and their 640 x 480 hirez B&W monitors. Hirez compared to those ugly lores color ones which I never owned or used. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Aug 7 16:28:22 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (GregR) Date: Sun Aug 7 18:30:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Sound Card audio over IP? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Blammo wrote: > The latency problem, well, you might be able to get used to that, just > remember who's leading: the drums. You might be able to find some > video/chat/VOIP? program that finds the shortest route, or it may add even > more latency (possibly MS NetMeeting will work?), a direct peer-to-peer > connection would be best. Yeah, I looked at some of the VoIP apps as a possible solution, only problem is will they carry the full 20-20K audio spectrum or just the voice bands like a landline telco? > No, you wouldn't send MIDI files, you'd send the MIDI signals directly. You are correct, I mis-spoke. But you got my drift... > That wouldn't work for analog instruments like a drum kit. I'm not a drummer (so I can't vouch for how well (or not) they work), but several companies make pressure-MIDI conversion pads. > I did a little > search and found this interesting tidbit of info: > http://titan.iwu.edu/~fmiller/SIMPLE.html , see the section "Synchronous > solutions using MIDI" and sections below that. I found that one in my search - it's an interesting concept, but I don't think any working products based on it are available yet. > MIDI is still quite popular, so I'm sure this has been done. "Still quite popular"? ;-) MIDI has been around so long (and works so well as a standard) that any changes to it will no doubt be evolutionary rather than revolutionary. -- GregR - Another Beemer Biker ...o&o> From borgholio at storymind.com Sun Aug 7 16:33:59 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sun Aug 7 18:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need Floppy Disc Diagnostic Machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Borgholio wrote: > >>I have a buttload of old floppies I want to format and test...but I >>don't want to manually format and scandisk them one by one. I know >>they have automated formatters / testers out there, but for the life >>of me I can't find any! Any help? > > > This is not any answer, but the first question that popped into my head. > > Why on earth would you want to spend any time or money on that type of > media? It is unreliable and not good for very much of anything. Not > 'nothing', but not very much. Pretty soon there won't even be anything > to read or write on it with. You may still find a fdd, but there won't > be anything mobo to connect it to. That is, more and more mobo/s are > dropping FDD support, along with some other vintage or legacy ports. > > I have a pile of floppies over there, some of them 720s, that I > shouldn't be allowing to collect dust. They are in the same closet with > my Atari STs and their 640 x 480 hirez B&W monitors. Hirez compared to > those ugly lores color ones which I never owned or used. > Just for fun, really. :) I got a hundred or so of them that I do occasionally use when I mess with older systems (try to get a USB card hooked up to a 386...heh). From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Aug 7 16:34:28 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (GregR) Date: Sun Aug 7 18:35:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Sound Card audio over IP? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Blammo wrote: > Rick's post looks like it might work OK for audio, however it looks like > you have to train yourself to play ahead the beat, hmm... Could be a problem, and create a habit that's nigh-impossible to break when playing "live". :-) > Well something for MIDI might work, this one called MIDI Replicator Driver > > http://www.musiclab.com/company/press/2001/12/27/10.20 Hmm... since we're MIDI'ed on both ends that might work (and the latency would probably not be as big as a problem like it would be for audio data), though getting the same exact sounds on both ends might be problematic. My killer piano/organ/orchestra stacked and layered synth patch might come out sounding like a child's toy piano on the other end. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing... ;-) -- GregR - Another Beemer Biker ...o&o> From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Aug 7 16:36:22 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (GregR) Date: Sun Aug 7 18:40:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Trillian Password Vulnerability Message-ID: Posted FYI, in case anyone's using this program. ---------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.securiteam.com/windowsntfocus/5FP010KGKO.html Summary: "Trillian is a fully featured, stand-alone, skinnable chat client that supports AIM, ICQ, MSN, Yahoo Messenger, and IRC." Trillian have been found to store clear passwords on a plaintext file, that can be accessed by any user who has access to the machine. Credit: The information has been provided by Suramya Tomar. Details: Vulnerable Systems: * Trillian version 3.1 Basic and pro * Trillian version 3.0 Basic and Pro When you choose the option to check your Yahoo email in Trillian (Check Yahoo Mail), Trillian creates a temp file in the \users\default\cache directory with a random name that contains the Yahoo password in clear text. Further, this file is world readable, and the logout process doesn't erase it. ---------------------------------------------------------------- -- GregR - Another Beemer Biker ...o&o> From firewoman at default.domain.not.available Mon Aug 8 09:29:06 2005 From: firewoman at default.domain.not.available (Firewoman) Date: Mon Aug 8 08:30:17 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Heads up to windows server admins about APC battery backup software Message-ID: I usually post in the Spamcop forum and lurk here, but wanted to share this info: The Java license that came with the Powerchute 6 software for APC battery backups expired on July 27. You will need to upgrade to Version 7 or you will have problems with your server(s). We found this out on Friday after a reboot of our system. Control panel, IIS, services, MMC, Symantec server, backup software, most apps.... all died. If not for an on-the-ball Symatec tech, it would have taken us a lot longer to determine it was the Powerchute software that was doing it. Here's a link to more info: http://nam-en.apc.com/cgi-bin/nam_en.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=7202 From nobody at nowhere.invalid Mon Aug 8 15:33:27 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Mon Aug 8 08:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Heads up to windows server admins about APC battery backup software References: Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 08:29:06 -0400, Firewoman coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > We found this out on Friday after a reboot of our system. Control panel, > IIS, services, MMC, Symantec server, backup software, most apps.... all > died. If not for an on-the-ball Symatec tech, it would have taken us a lot > longer to determine it was the Powerchute software that was doing it. So lemme get this straight. Powerchute sells software that kills the entire system when the time-limited license expires? Is it just me or can anyone else here smell a class-action lawsuite brewing? /me notes down APC and Powerchute in /me's list of brands to avoid... -- Steve unix soit qui mal y pense From firewoman at default.domain.not.available Mon Aug 8 09:51:58 2005 From: firewoman at default.domain.not.available (Firewoman) Date: Mon Aug 8 08:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Heads up to windows server admins about APC battery backup software References: Message-ID: "Steven Maesslein" wrote in message news:slrndfek8n.35v.nobody@127.0.0.1... > On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 08:29:06 -0400, Firewoman coughed into spamcop.geeks > and left this in : > >> We found this out on Friday after a reboot of our system. Control panel, >> IIS, services, MMC, Symantec server, backup software, most apps.... all >> died. If not for an on-the-ball Symatec tech, it would have taken us a >> lot >> longer to determine it was the Powerchute software that was doing it. > > So lemme get this straight. Powerchute sells software that kills the > entire system when the time-limited license expires? > > Is it just me or can anyone else here smell a class-action lawsuite > brewing? > > /me notes down APC and Powerchute in /me's list of brands to avoid... I had a hard time finding any info out there on it, just a couple mentions in tech boards, one mention on the APC site. I wouldn't have even been able to test the services one by one because my control panel died. I can't believe they packaged the whole thing up with Java and included the license for it. They didn't notify any tech media outlets to let the 90% of their users who are not subscribed to their newsletters know about it. I'll probably be spending my day digging thru the software audit on my systems and being sure I'm subscribed to every tech notice available for it all. Probably need to learn a bit more and see if any other software I have is like this. $%&# From Kilgallen at SpamCop.net Mon Aug 8 09:49:45 2005 From: Kilgallen at SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Date: Mon Aug 8 09:50:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Heads up to windows server admins about APC battery backup software References: Message-ID: In article , Steven Maesslein writes: > On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 08:29:06 -0400, Firewoman coughed into spamcop.geeks > and left this in : > >> We found this out on Friday after a reboot of our system. Control panel, >> IIS, services, MMC, Symantec server, backup software, most apps.... all >> died. If not for an on-the-ball Symatec tech, it would have taken us a lot >> longer to determine it was the Powerchute software that was doing it. > > So lemme get this straight. Powerchute sells software that kills the > entire system when the time-limited license expires? As I read it, Sun Microsystems sells a Java implementation with the time limit characteristic. > Is it just me or can anyone else here smell a class-action lawsuite > brewing? I bet Sun's license requires indemnification by Powerchute. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Aug 8 22:18:23 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (GregR) Date: Tue Aug 9 00:20:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Sound Card audio over IP? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: GregR wrote: > It just might work, don't know why it didn't turn up in my search but > thanks for the link. > > Also don't know if I like the idea of a 3rd party "listening in" on > what's going on (and I'd really prefer a direct peer-peer connection), > but it's the only thing so far that comes close to filling the bill. > > I'll give it a try and see what happens, thanks for digging that up. :-) Bah... They've got the concept right, but the execution isn't quite ready for prime time. And there doesn't seem to be any way to setup a "private" jam (i.e. it seems to be one big party-line, so to speak...). Though it could make for some interesting "music": "Since the inherent latency of the Internet prevents true realtime synchronization of the jam, and playing with latency is weird (and often uncomfortable), NINJAM provides a solution by making latency (and the weirdness) much longer. "Latency in NINJAM is measured in measures, and that's what makes it interesting. "The NINJAM client records and streams synchronized intervals of music between participants. Just as the interval finishes recording, it begins playing on everyone else's client. So when you play through an interval, you're playing along with the previous interval of everybody else, and they're playing along with your previous interval. If this sounds pretty bizarre, it sort of is, until you get used to it, then it becomes pretty natural. In many ways, it can be more forgiving than a normal jam, because mistakes propagate differently." -- GregR - Another Beemer Biker ...o&o> From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Aug 10 01:51:29 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Aug 10 03:55:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Binary code question Message-ID: I know the basics about reading binary...but is there a limit as to the number of positions (bits) you can have? For example: 1 2 4 8 16 32 - etc... Is there a limit (8 bits for a total number of 255) or can it go on infinitely? From OsmoJ.No at Garbage.dnainternet.net Wed Aug 10 12:18:55 2005 From: OsmoJ.No at Garbage.dnainternet.net (Osmo Jauhiainen) Date: Wed Aug 10 04:20:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Binary code question References: Message-ID: Borg, You can increase the number of bits on infinitely and go on infinitely! OsmoJ "Borgholio" kirjoitti viestissä news:ddcbm0$b43$1@news.spamcop.net... > I know the basics about reading binary...but is there a limit as to the > number of positions (bits) you can have? For example: > > > 1 2 4 8 16 32 - etc... > > Is there a limit (8 bits for a total number of 255) or can it go on infinitely? From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Aug 10 02:56:13 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Aug 10 05:00:44 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Binary code question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Osmo Jauhiainen wrote: > Borg, > > You can increase the number of bits on infinitely and go on infinitely! > > OsmoJ > > "Borgholio" kirjoitti viestiss? > news:ddcbm0$b43$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>I know the basics about reading binary...but is there a limit as to the >>number of positions (bits) you can have? For example: >> >> >>1 2 4 8 16 32 - etc... >> >>Is there a limit (8 bits for a total number of 255) or can it go on > > infinitely? > > Another question - What's the importance of putting spaces between two strings of code? Example - 00000000 00000000 00000000 Is that just to make it easier to read? From nobody at nowhere.invalid Wed Aug 10 12:06:55 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Wed Aug 10 05:10:44 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Binary code question References: Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 01:56:13 -0700, Borgholio coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > Another question - What's the importance of putting spaces between two > strings of code? Example - 00000000 00000000 00000000 > > Is that just to make it easier to read? Yes. -- Steve There are only 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't. From kenbrody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 10 11:27:09 2005 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Wed Aug 10 11:25:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Binary code question References: Message-ID: <42FA0EBD.38977E58@spamcop.net> Borgholio wrote: [...] > Another question - What's the importance of putting spaces between two > strings of code? Example - 00000000 00000000 00000000 > > Is that just to make it easier to read? Yes, for the same reason that we put commas/periods every three decimal digits. What's easier to read, "1234567890" or "1,234,567,890"? -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Aug 10 12:54:35 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Aug 10 14:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Yet more Windows XP security patches Message-ID: Nothing new...about a dozen security patches to install. Happens all the time. Today, however, something just stuck in my craw. Here are the descriptions of two patches waiting to be installed: Size: 483 KB - 566 KB A security issue has been identified in the Plug and Play service that could allow an attacker to compromise your Microsoft Windows-based system and gain control over it. You can help protect your computer by installing this update from Microsoft. After you install this item, you may have to restart your computer. More information for this update can be found at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=48900 Size: 494 KB - 550 KB A security issue has been identified in the Print Spooler service that could allow an attacker to compromise your Microsoft Windows-based system and gain control over it. You can help protect your computer by installing this update from Microsoft. After you install this item, you may have to restart your computer. More information for this update can be found at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=48902 Plug and Play? PRINT SPOOLER???? Is there ANYTHING that doesn't have a security hole in it??? What's next, a security hole in the mouse driver? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 10 17:37:42 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Aug 10 16:40:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Yet more Windows XP security patches References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > Plug and Play? PRINT SPOOLER???? Is there ANYTHING that doesn't > have a security hole in it??? What's next, a security hole in the > mouse driver? That is ridiculous.....did the updates say if Win2k has the same vulnerabilities? From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Aug 10 14:48:50 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Aug 10 16:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Yet more Windows XP security patches In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Borgholio wrote: > >>Plug and Play? PRINT SPOOLER???? Is there ANYTHING that doesn't >>have a security hole in it??? What's next, a security hole in the >>mouse driver? > > > That is ridiculous.....did the updates say if Win2k has the same > vulnerabilities? > > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS05-043.mspx It affects XP SP 1 and 2, 2000 SP 4, and two flavors of 2003 Server. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 10 17:52:37 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Aug 10 16:55:15 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Yet more Windows XP security patches References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > indigo wrote: > > Borgholio wrote: > > > >>Plug and Play? PRINT SPOOLER???? Is there ANYTHING that doesn't > >>have a security hole in it??? What's next, a security hole in the > >>mouse driver? > > > > > > That is ridiculous.....did the updates say if Win2k has the same > > vulnerabilities? > > > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS05-043.mspx > > It affects XP SP 1 and 2, 2000 SP 4, and two flavors of 2003 Server. Whew! I don't remember to update my home machine very often......I use it so little..... From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Aug 10 14:58:49 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Aug 10 17:00:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Yet more Windows XP security patches In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mr K. Mean wrote: > indigo wrote: > >> Borgholio wrote: >> >>> Plug and Play? PRINT SPOOLER???? Is there ANYTHING that doesn't >>> have a security hole in it??? What's next, a security hole in the >>> mouse driver? >> >> >> That is ridiculous.....did the updates say if Win2k has the same >> vulnerabilities? > > > Well, to be fair, even Linux had a fairly big security hole with some of > their printer software a few years ago. If you look at it, it is > accessible over the network and it has to support a bunch of different > printers and vendors and it does reach right down to the hardware level. Well to be fair, when was the last time a major security hole in a MS product was discovered only a few years ago? :) These sorts of things come out on a regular basis. Like comparing IE (which is still swiss cheese) to Firefox (a security hole here and there, but overall far superior). From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 10 18:08:33 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Aug 10 17:10:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Yet more Windows XP security patches References: Message-ID: Mr K. Mean wrote: > indigo wrote: > > Borgholio wrote: > >> Plug and Play? PRINT SPOOLER???? Is there ANYTHING that doesn't > >> have a security hole in it??? What's next, a security hole in the > >> mouse driver? > > > > That is ridiculous.....did the updates say if Win2k has the same > > vulnerabilities? > > Well, to be fair, even Linux had a fairly big security hole with some > of their printer software a few years ago. If you look at it, it is > accessible over the network Not if you have it hooked up to LPT:1 ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 10 18:22:32 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Aug 10 17:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Yet more Windows XP security patches References: Message-ID: Mr K. Mean wrote: > indigo wrote: > > Mr K. Mean wrote: > >> indigo wrote: > >>> Borgholio wrote: > >>>> Plug and Play? PRINT SPOOLER???? Is there ANYTHING that doesn't > >>>> have a security hole in it??? What's next, a security hole in > >>>> the mouse driver? > >>> That is ridiculous.....did the updates say if Win2k has the same > >>> vulnerabilities? > >> Well, to be fair, even Linux had a fairly big security hole with > >> some of their printer software a few years ago. If you look at > >> it, it is accessible over the network > > > > Not if you have it hooked up to LPT:1 ;-) > > But if you share the printer over the network... My home "network" you mean? Ha! From not at home.today Thu Aug 11 00:33:18 2005 From: not at home.today (Ant) Date: Wed Aug 10 18:40:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Yet more Windows XP security patches References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote: > Borgholio wrote: >> indigo wrote: >>> >>> That is ridiculous.....did the updates say if Win2k has the same >>> vulnerabilities? >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS05-043.mspx >> >> It affects XP SP 1 and 2, 2000 SP 4, and two flavors of 2003 Server. > > Whew! I don't remember to update > my home machine very often......I use it so little..... MS doesn't support early versions of W2K; they expect you to be up to SP4. However, the vulnerabilities are very likely to affect pre SP4 versions. From user at domain.invalid Wed Aug 10 22:52:45 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Wed Aug 10 22:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Yet more Windows XP security patches In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > What's next, a security hole in the mouse driver? Hmmm, you mean you haven't installed that one yet ?? oh ohhhhh ... From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Aug 10 21:05:04 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Aug 10 23:10:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Yet more Windows XP security patches In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: User wrote: >> What's next, a security hole in the mouse driver? > > > Hmmm, you mean you haven't installed that one yet ?? oh ohhhhh ... Doh! From ronNOSPAMisaiah at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 01:29:21 2005 From: ronNOSPAMisaiah at gmail.com (Ron Isaiah) Date: Thu Aug 11 00:30:18 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Millionaire at 31 ... on the Internet! Listen to how he is doing it. 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Take the next 20 minutes and listen to a 31 year old millionaire reveal in his own words how he went from 0 to 1 MILLION VISITORS paying him over 1 MILLION DOLLARS in just the past weeks. Here's the link to his amazing audio ebook interview where you can learn the simple 9-Step Formula that if applied within the next few hours will begin earning money by the end of the week. http://www.superiormarketingpartners.com/audioebook.html --- MAF Anti-Spam ID: 20050809180825Q8t6AxM3 From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Aug 11 12:04:02 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Aug 11 11:05:24 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Yet more Windows XP security patches References: Message-ID: Ant wrote: > > MS doesn't support early versions of W2K; they expect you to be up > to SP4. However, the vulnerabilities are very likely to affect pre > SP4 versions. I never installed SP4 because it kills Atguard. I trust Atguard more than I do constantly incoming mickeysoft patches. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Thu Aug 11 18:21:16 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Thu Aug 11 11:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Yet more Windows XP security patches References: Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:04:02 -0400, indigo coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > I never installed SP4 because it kills Atguard. I trust Atguard more than I > do constantly incoming mickeysoft patches. One thing you *can* trust a mickeysoft patch to do is break something and expose at least 2 bugs other than the ones it is intended to (but doesn't necessarily) fix. Also, IIRC, SP3 installed the DRM-enabled version of Media Player. Yechhhhh.... http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html -- Steve Nine megs for the secretaries fair, Seven megs for the hackers scarce, Five megs for the grads in smoky lairs, Three megs for system source. One disk to rule them all, One disk to bind them, One disk to hold all the files, And in the darkness grind 'em. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Aug 11 13:08:38 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Aug 11 12:10:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Yet more Windows XP security patches References: Message-ID: Steven Maesslein wrote: > > Also, IIRC, SP3 installed the DRM-enabled version of Media Player. > Yechhhhh.... > > http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html What's with this "WMP will not play pirated MP3's" crap? How does it know if I created the MP3 myself or if I downloaded it legally *or* illegally? From kenbrody at spamcop.net Thu Aug 11 12:47:43 2005 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Thu Aug 11 12:25:19 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Yet more Windows XP security patches References: Message-ID: <42FB731F.51C87E23@spamcop.net> Borgholio wrote: > > Nothing new...about a dozen security patches to install. Happens all the > time. Today, however, something just stuck in my craw. Here are the > descriptions of two patches waiting to be installed: > > Size: 483 KB - 566 KB > > A security issue has been identified in the Plug and Play service that could [...] > Size: 494 KB - 550 KB > > A security issue has been identified in the Print Spooler service that could [...] > Plug and Play? PRINT SPOOLER???? Is there ANYTHING that doesn't have a > security hole in it??? What's next, a security hole in the mouse driver? I guess you missed this one? Security Update for Windows 2000 (KB901214) A security issue has been identified in the Color Management Module that could allow an attacker to compromise your Microsoft Windows- based system and gain control over it. You can help protect your computer by installing this update from Microsoft. After you install this item, you may have to restart your computer. -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From nobody at nowhere.invalid Thu Aug 11 22:47:53 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Thu Aug 11 15:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Yet more Windows XP security patches References: Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:08:38 -0400, indigo coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > What's with this "WMP will not play pirated MP3's" crap? How does it know if > I created the MP3 myself or if I downloaded it legally *or* illegally? Who cares? Ogg/vorbis is far superior to MP3 from a sound quality perspective and it isn't plagued with patent and other issues. There are players available for just about every hardware/OS combination and no third party up in Redmond or elsewhere can dictate whether or not you can listen to your music files. -- Steve "A reputation for releasing inferior software will make it more difficult for a software vendor to induce customers to pay for new products or new versions of existing products." -- Microsoft From user at domain.invalid Sun Aug 14 12:51:46 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Sun Aug 14 12:55:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Crontab Question Message-ID: FreeBSD, Apache Server I am setting the following cron: 23 55 * * * killall httpsd This will kill Apache at 11:55 every night. But in order to restart Apache: 23 55 * * * /usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl start My question is will killall run "followed" by the start command ok, the reason I'm asking is that I don't want to wait a full minute to restart apache, per: 23 56 * * * /usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl start So, is there a way to run the start command via cron 30 seconds or less after the killall runs? The only thing I see thus far is minutes. At the moment I don't see why the two lines can't be set to run at the same time, one runs then the other runs. Thanks From user at domain.invalid Sun Aug 14 14:26:43 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Sun Aug 14 14:30:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Crontab Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 14.08.2005 12:55, Mr K. Mean wrote: --- Original Message --- > User wrote: >> FreeBSD, Apache Server >> >> I am setting the following cron: >> >> 23 55 * * * killall httpsd >> >> This will kill Apache at 11:55 every night. But in order to restart Apache: >> >> 23 55 * * * /usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl start > > Can you just make it: > 23 55 * * * /usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl restart > > Or maybe write a script file that looks like > > #!/bin/sh > killall httpsd > /usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl start > > And then call that script file from your crontab. > > Or make your crontab look like: > 23 55 * * * killall httpsd ; /usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl start Yah, I can do all of that, writing a wrapper script is no problem. And I guess that running the start after the killall will wait until the process is fi before running. But my question still lingers, is there a way to specify "seconds" in a cronjob to, say, start a job at 23:55:xx where xx = seconds? Wait'll you see my next question .... :-) Is there way to auto-mail a specific job line to an email address rather than using the default to root@ or the MAILTO:myaddress@mydomain.com Say I want cronjob: 0 * * * * /process #1 20 23 * * * /process #2 -> mail only this line to myaddress@mydomain.com and /process #1 gets mailed to whatever is the default? Cheers From glnews030922 at highspot.net Mon Aug 15 01:54:27 2005 From: glnews030922 at highspot.net (Graeme Leith) Date: Sun Aug 14 19:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Crontab Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mr K. Mean wrote: > User wrote: > >> Yah, I can do all of that, writing a wrapper script is no problem. And I >> guess that running the start after the killall will wait until the >> process is fi before running. >> >> But my question still lingers, is there a way to specify "seconds" in a >> cronjob to, say, start a job at 23:55:xx where xx = seconds? >> >> Wait'll you see my next question .... :-) >> >> Is there way to auto-mail a specific job line to an email address rather >> than using the default to root@ or the MAILTO:myaddress@mydomain.com >> >> Say I want cronjob: >> >> 0 * * * * /process #1 >> 20 23 * * * /process #2 -> mail only this line to myaddress@mydomain.com >> >> and /process #1 gets mailed to whatever is the default? >> >> Cheers > > > I don't believe crontab supports a higher resolution than minutes. You > would probably need to write a script to wrap it and the first command > would be: > sleep XX > > where XX is the number of seconds after the minute it should start running. correct, cron resolution is 1 minute. > To mail output > 19 06 * * * /bin/command | mail -s "Command output" myaddress@mydomain.com > > If you have error output, you might need to add this to get it > redirected to the output stream instead of the error stream > > 19 06 * * * /bin/command 2>&1 | mail -s "Command output" > myaddress@mydomain.com If you're using crontab entries in /etc/cron.d, you may be able to edit the scripts there and add something like this: MAILTO=root, webmaster If MAILTO is unset, then no mail is sent. If it is set, then the command output is mailed to the list of users. -- Evidence shows Cyveillance abuse internet resources. I recommend unchecking their box in SpamCop reports. Cyveillance are part of the problem. They are not part of the solution. From user at domain.invalid Sun Aug 14 20:07:36 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Sun Aug 14 20:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Crontab Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 14.08.2005 18:54, Graeme Leith wrote: --- Original Message --- > If MAILTO is unset, then no mail is sent. If it is set, then the command > output is mailed to the list of users. If MAILTO is unset, cron output is automatically sent to "root". At least here it is. But what I want IS the mailto function but send one cron to another address. I'll experiment with Mr K's suggestion, I think I've seen something like that in one of the cron tutorials. Thanks ... From user at domain.invalid Sun Aug 14 20:30:31 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Sun Aug 14 20:35:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Crontab Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 14.08.2005 13:52, Mr K. Mean wrote: --- Original Message --- > To mail output > 19 06 * * * /bin/command | mail -s "Command output" myaddress@mydomain.com Works just fine but: 19 06 * * * /wrapper_script.sh | mail -s "Subject" me Works as above and "me" is my account on the same server, therefore not necessary for a me@myserver.com Thanks, that's what I needed. And yes, seconds is not a function. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Aug 16 11:50:29 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Neil) Date: Tue Aug 16 10:55:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] RSS Question Message-ID: I've been playing with RSS feeds using Firefox for Windows. I've noticed that some providers' RSS feeds contain many more articles than others. Is it possible to force more articles to display, or is this entirely at the providers' discretion? From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Aug 16 15:50:18 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Tue Aug 16 14:55:27 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] SpamCop Maintenance Window Thursday, Aug 18, 2005 Message-ID: SpamCop Maintenance Window: The SC reporting system will be down Thursday August 18, 2005 starting at approximately 10AM PDT -0700 for a period of 6-8 hours. No mail/spam will be lost; it will be queued until maintenance is completed. You may notice some delays as we process the queued mail when the system comes back up. This maintenance window does NOT affect the SpamCop email system. Thanks. Ellen SpamCop From nobody at nowhere.invalid Tue Aug 16 21:58:49 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Tue Aug 16 15:00:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: RSS Question References: Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:50:29 -0400, Neil coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > I've been playing with RSS feeds using Firefox for Windows. I've noticed > that some providers' RSS feeds contain many more articles than others. Is > it possible to force more articles to display, or is this entirely at the > providers' discretion? It is entirely at the provider's discretion. The data read in an RSS feed is a straightforward XML file containing as many objects as the provider sees fit to include. -- Steve Exposing M$ sExchange directly to the Internet is a lot like painting a bulls-eye on your backside and bending over, naked, in a Greenwich Village steam room (except M$ is not nearly as safe). -- Morely 'spam is theft' Dotes in NANAE, 08-JUL-2003. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Aug 16 16:10:26 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Neil) Date: Tue Aug 16 15:15:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: RSS Question References: Message-ID: "Steven Maesslein" wrote in message news:slrndg4dr9.vrt.nobody@127.0.0.1... > On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:50:29 -0400, Neil coughed into spamcop.geeks and > left this in : > > > I've been playing with RSS feeds using Firefox for Windows. I've noticed > > that some providers' RSS feeds contain many more articles than others. Is > > it possible to force more articles to display, or is this entirely at the > > providers' discretion? > > It is entirely at the provider's discretion. > That's what I suspected. Which means of course that I either have to check for new 'articles' on a frequent basis, or visit the site from where they're sourced to see what I've missed*. Monster for example list just 10 postings per feed. I suspect this is deliberate to get me to keep coming back to the site to view their advertisers. Which links nicely to this piece on how RSS is likely to result in fewer page hits on a site, and consequently fewer ad click-throughs. http://news.com.com/While+Web+publishers+slept/2010-1071_3-5813384.html *Do the fully-featured RSS clients have an alert function to notify you when new postings are available? From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Tue Aug 16 19:16:08 2005 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Tue Aug 16 18:20:15 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: RSS Question References: Message-ID: In article , "Neil" wrote: > Which links nicely to this piece on how RSS > is likely to result in fewer page hits on a site, and consequently fewer ad > click-throughs. > > http://news.com.com/While+Web+publishers+slept/2010-1071_3-5813384.html And I'm sure the author's position as chief marketing officer of a Web advertising company has absolutely nothing to do with why he thinks fewer ad click-thrus due to RSS is a bad thing. -- D.F. Manno | dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The average man doesn't want to be free. He wants to be safe. " - H. L. Mencken, Notes on Democracy, 1926 From user at domain.invalid Tue Aug 16 18:40:43 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Tue Aug 16 18:45:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: RSS Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 16.08.2005 09:50, Neil wrote: --- Original Message --- > I've been playing with RSS feeds using Firefox for Windows. I've noticed > that some providers' RSS feeds contain many more articles than others. Is > it possible to force more articles to display, or is this entirely at the > providers' discretion? > What everybody else says ... and .. Try using "Top Stories" RSS feed: http://rss.news.yahoo.com/rss/topstories Contains all of Reuters and then some .... From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Aug 16 19:45:52 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Aug 16 18:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: TCPA Trusted Computing would take your freedom! References: <0QtMe.58453$2U1.3200404@news3.tin.it> Message-ID: I haven't read it all. Anyway it's enough to make me shudder. http://www.againsttcpa.com/tcpa-faq-en.html From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Aug 16 19:52:25 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Aug 16 18:55:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Mac Hacks Allow OS X on PCs References: Message-ID: Interesting articles: http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,68501,00.html?tw=wn_6culthead Imagine if your next Mac cost you only $300, and ran faster than any G4 or G5 you've ever used. That future may already be unfolding: Hackers have found a way to bypass a chip designed to prevent the Mac OS from running on non-Apple PCs, which are often cheaper than Macs. http://osx86project.org/ From glnews030922 at highspot.net Wed Aug 17 01:16:21 2005 From: glnews030922 at highspot.net (Graeme Leith) Date: Tue Aug 16 19:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: RSS Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Neil wrote: > Which means of course that I either have to check > for new 'articles' on a frequent basis, or visit the site from where they're > sourced to see what I've missed*. Try Bloglines. It's a free web-based aggregation service that keeps track of all your feeds and what you've read. http://www.bloglines.com/ -- Evidence shows Cyveillance abuse internet resources. I recommend unchecking their box in SpamCop reports. Cyveillance are part of the problem. They are not part of the solution. From kenbrody at spamcop.net Tue Aug 16 18:52:53 2005 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Tue Aug 16 21:05:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: RSS Question References: Message-ID: <43026035.DA4ADFCD@spamcop.net> Neil wrote: [...] > *Do the fully-featured RSS clients have an alert function to notify you when > new postings are available? I use Opera 7 for Windows. One of the tabs is on ThinkGeek's "what's new" page, and I clicked on their RSS link to see what it's all about. One day, I happened to notice a little window appear in the corner for a moment telling me that there were new items on ThinkGeek. So, I guess the answer is "yes", at least to some degree. -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From nobody at nowhere.invalid Wed Aug 17 11:56:33 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Wed Aug 17 05:00:45 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: TCPA Trusted Computing would take your freedom! References: <0QtMe.58453$2U1.3200404@news3.tin.it> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:45:52 -0400, Frog Prince coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > I haven't read it all. Anyway it's enough to make me shudder. > > http://www.againsttcpa.com/tcpa-faq-en.html You're only discovering this now? A link to the original page of which this is a copy has been on my site since about a month after this document was published. Here's the original: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html -- Steve God prefers spiritual fruit, not religious nuts... From Ilgaz at spamcop.net Wed Aug 17 15:53:20 2005 From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz Ocal) Date: Wed Aug 17 07:55:42 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Well, the 'Spamcop' SETI group just cracked half a million... References: Message-ID: On 2005-07-30 05:23:28 +0300, Skiwi said: > ... next is the full million! :-) Maybe we can find an alien > along the way? :-) Alien sends "hello world!" message and gets filtered as he uses base64 with unicode ;) Ilgaz From hakon at alstadheim.priv.no Wed Aug 17 15:51:37 2005 From: hakon at alstadheim.priv.no (Hakon Alstadheim) Date: Wed Aug 17 08:55:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: RSS Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Neil wrote: [snip .. [rss is just the web reinvented, history is not preserved] ...] > That's what I suspected. Which means of course that I either have to check > for new 'articles' on a frequent basis, or visit the site from where they're > sourced to see what I've missed*. Monster for example list just 10 postings > per feed. I suspect this is deliberate to get me to keep coming back to the > site to view their advertisers. Which links nicely to this piece on how RSS > is likely to result in fewer page hits on a site, and consequently fewer ad > click-throughs. I guess campaigning for the nntp protocol (as oppsed to rss) is a lost cause. I seem to remember having seen some rss -> nntp forwarder somewhere. Try google. So far I've managed to stay clear of rss and web-based "forums", except for slashdot. With nntp you at least have the option to set up your own server to preserve NG's your provider does not keep long enough. There is also google groups. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Aug 17 11:04:43 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Neil) Date: Wed Aug 17 10:05:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: RSS Question References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" <35zyuhr02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:ddtmae$9sn$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I just can't say that I'm so convinced about the wonders of RSS yet. It > seems to work pretty well for things like podcasts where the amount of > syndicated material is relatively low over a few days or weeks but isn't > RSS supposed to free me from the drudgery of checking websites every day > or every few hours? > This is my complaint with a feed only consisting of 10 docs which are updated so frequently as to make me miss some. I end up having to visit the site anyway. Some feeds such as classified ads on CraigsList or Roadfly are longer, and are also updated on a slower schedule so it's easy to keep up and I don't have to visit the websites at all anymore. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Aug 17 11:06:48 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Neil) Date: Wed Aug 17 10:10:14 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: RSS Question References: <43026035.DA4ADFCD@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:43026035.DA4ADFCD@spamcop.net... > Neil wrote: > [...] > > *Do the fully-featured RSS clients have an alert function to notify you when > > new postings are available? > > I use Opera 7 for Windows. One of the tabs is on ThinkGeek's "what's new" > page, and I clicked on their RSS link to see what it's all about. One day, > I happened to notice a little window appear in the corner for a moment > telling me that there were new items on ThinkGeek. > > So, I guess the answer is "yes", at least to some degree. But Opera 7 isn't strictly an RSS client right? I just switched from IE to firefox, and don't really want to have to switch to Opera. Although if Opera's RSS support is better than Firefox I might be convinced. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Aug 17 11:08:38 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Neil) Date: Wed Aug 17 10:10:16 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: RSS Question References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2- > > > > http://news.com.com/While+Web+publishers+slept/2010-1071_3-5813384.html > > And I'm sure the author's position as chief marketing officer of a Web > advertising company has absolutely nothing to do with why he thinks > fewer ad click-thrus due to RSS is a bad thing. Well of course. Advertising helps to keep me employed so I have no problem with online ads. Provided they aren't overly intrusive it's easy enough to ignore them, or set Firefox to not display them. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Aug 17 11:12:37 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Neil) Date: Wed Aug 17 10:15:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: RSS Question References: Message-ID: "Graeme Leith" wrote in message news:ddts28$d3b$1@news.spamcop.net... > Neil wrote: > > > > Which means of course that I either have to check > > for new 'articles' on a frequent basis, or visit the site from where they're > > sourced to see what I've missed*. > > Try Bloglines. It's a free web-based aggregation service that keeps > track of all your feeds and what you've read. > > http://www.bloglines.com/ > > Thanks for the link, but I'm trying to get away from having to visit web pages. I'm pretty sure I played a year or so ago with an RSS client that displayed feeds in a usenet style where you can mark docs as read or unread, and that didn't purge automatically. From glnews030922 at highspot.net Wed Aug 17 17:31:33 2005 From: glnews030922 at highspot.net (Graeme Leith) Date: Wed Aug 17 11:35:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: RSS Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Neil wrote: > "Graeme Leith" wrote in message > news:ddts28$d3b$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>Neil wrote: >> >> >>>Which means of course that I either have to check >>>for new 'articles' on a frequent basis, or visit the site from where > > they're > >>>sourced to see what I've missed*. >> >>Try Bloglines. It's a free web-based aggregation service that keeps >>track of all your feeds and what you've read. >> >>http://www.bloglines.com/ >> >> > > > Thanks for the link, but I'm trying to get away from having to visit web > pages. I'm pretty sure I played a year or so ago with an RSS client that > displayed feeds in a usenet style where you can mark docs as read or unread, > and that didn't purge automatically. I noticed in another reply that you're using Firefox. There is an extension for FF that will monitor Bloglines and put an icon in the status bar that lets you know when there are updates for your feeds. You don't have to visit the web page to check for updates, the notifier does it for you. Anyway, you don't sound interested in the service, but I thought the notifier was worth mentioning. -- Evidence shows Cyveillance abuse internet resources. I recommend unchecking their box in SpamCop reports. Cyveillance are part of the problem. They are not part of the solution. From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Wed Aug 17 13:44:23 2005 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Wed Aug 17 12:45:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Mac Hacks Allow OS X on PCs References: Message-ID: In article , "Frog Prince" wrote: > Interesting articles: > http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,68501,00.html?tw=wn_6culthead > > Imagine if your next Mac cost you only $300, and ran faster than any G4 or > G5 you've ever used. > > That future may already be unfolding: Hackers have found a way to bypass a > chip designed to prevent the Mac OS from running on non-Apple PCs, which are > often cheaper than Macs. > > http://osx86project.org/ I wouldn't hold my breath. So far, the only OS X for Intel is a quick port created for development systems using off-the-shelf Intel motherboards, and officially is only available to developers. Apple probably saw no reason to tightly lock down a prerelease, unoptimized version running on a machine that will never be available to the general public. You can be sure that when Macintel systems come out they will use proprietary motherboards and have other ways of safeguarding against OS X being used on non-Apple PCs. -- D.F. Manno | dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The average man doesn't want to be free. He wants to be safe. " - H. L. Mencken, Notes on Democracy, 1926 From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Aug 17 16:29:12 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Neil) Date: Wed Aug 17 15:30:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: RSS Question References: Message-ID: "Graeme Leith" wrote in message news:ddvl65$fan$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I noticed in another reply that you're using Firefox. There is an > extension for FF that will monitor Bloglines and put an icon in the > status bar that lets you know when there are updates for your feeds. You > don't have to visit the web page to check for updates, the notifier does > it for you. > > Anyway, you don't sound interested in the service, but I thought the > notifier was worth mentioning. > Thanks for the follow-up Graeme. I may well take a look. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 17 16:51:58 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Wed Aug 17 16:00:22 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] SC Maint Window -- Date change Message-ID: SpamCop Maintenance Window: ** Please note change of date ** The SC reporting system will be down Tuesday August 23, 2005 starting at approximately 10AM PDT -0700 for a period of 6-8 hours. No mail/spam will be lost; it will be queued until maintenance is completed. You may notice some delays as we process the queued mail when the system comes back up. This maintenance window does NOT affect the SpamCop email system. Thanks. Ellen SpamCop From me at privacy.net Sat Aug 20 00:40:42 2005 From: me at privacy.net (Tom Cumming) Date: Fri Aug 19 18:45:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: RSS Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Neil wrote: > Thanks for the link, but I'm trying to get away from having to visit web > pages. I'm pretty sure I played a year or so ago with an RSS client that > displayed feeds in a usenet style where you can mark docs as read or unread, > and that didn't purge automatically. Thunderbird does that - though it is not quite as convenient as using a browser, as to subscribe, you have to manually enter or copy/paste the .xml address, rather than just being able to click a button in a browser. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Aug 23 12:20:36 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Tue Aug 23 11:25:23 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Reminder - maintenance window Message-ID: *****Reminder:****** The system will be going into maintenance mode some time after 10AM PDT -0700 for a period that we expect to last for 6-8 hours. The reporting system website will show a maintenance message. The system will not be parsing spam while in maintenance mode so any spam that you submit via mail or "report as spam" will be queued for later processing. It will then take the servers some time to work thru that backlog so expect slower responses to spam submission for some number of hours after the system comes back up. Mail to deputies and to other role addresses will be queued while the system is down and answered after it comes back up; this will put us behind in responding to mail but it will all get answered as we plow thru it. The SpamCop *email system* will not be affected by this maintenance window. Ellen SpamCop From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 24 06:11:08 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Wed Aug 24 05:30:52 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: still down for maintenance? References: Message-ID: "Don Wannit" wrote in message news:deh1ns$21c$2@news.spamcop.net... > The 6-8 hour downtime for maintenance seems to be taking a mite > longer than planned. Or am I seeing some web cache shenanigans? > > (22:48 PDT) > The maintenance encountered some problems which unfortunately persist. The systems folks are working the problems as fast as they can. As is not uncommon with major upgrades, the things one worries about intensely before the event all went perfectly and the things that were supposed to be slam dunks didn't necessarily happen as expected. As always - thanks for your patience and when I know something I'll let you know. Ellen SpamCop From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 24 07:52:33 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Wed Aug 24 06:55:22 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: still down for maintenance? References: Message-ID: "Steven Maesslein" wrote in message news:slrndgoisr.u8u.nobody@127.0.0.1... > On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 05:11:08 -0400, Ellen coughed into spamcop and left > this in : > > > The maintenance encountered some problems which unfortunately persist. The > > systems folks are working the problems as fast as they can. > > It appears to be back up again as of now - 10:27 GMT. > The system is up -- if you see anything weird let me know. You may see some slowness due to grinding thru the mail backlog. Ellen From jeffg at spamcop.net Wed Aug 24 11:06:32 2005 From: jeffg at spamcop.net (Jeff G.) Date: Wed Aug 24 10:10:37 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] SpamCop Maintenance Update Message-ID: The SpamCop Parsing and Reporting Service was down Tuesday August 23, 2005 starting at approximately 10AM PDT -0700 for a longer period than expected. It is up, but with residual impact to the Mailhost Configuration Feature and an ongoing email backlog. We will continue to post updates to http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=4743 as the situation develops. Thank you for your patience. -- Thanks and Best Regards, Jeff G. I have been a SpamCop User/Member/Customer since 1999 and am a Moderator of the new web-based forums (now the primary method for getting help, http://forum.spamcop.net). Please reply via Forum, Group, or List only. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Aug 24 11:25:36 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Wed Aug 24 10:30:24 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Official system status posts Message-ID: Please note that *official system status information* can be found on the SpamCop reporting site and/or is posted to the newsgroups by SpamCop employees only. Any other posts may or may not reflect the current status of the system and may or may not be out of date or incorrect. The system is up and operational. There are no backlogged mail queues at this time. We continue to chase down small issues as they arise. If you see any operational problems that appear to be a result of the maintenance please post them here. We do have an issue with mailhost probes being accepted at this moment however existing mailhosts are working fine. The only impact of this problem is that people who are trying to set up new mailhosts will not be able to do so at this time. Thanks Ellen SpamCop From jeffg at spamcop.net Wed Aug 24 12:05:18 2005 From: jeffg at spamcop.net (Jeff G.) Date: Wed Aug 24 11:10:24 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: SpamCop Maintenance Update References: Message-ID: Jeff G. wrote: > The SpamCop Parsing and Reporting Service was down Tuesday August 23, > 2005 starting at approximately 10AM PDT -0700 for a longer period than > expected. It is up, but with residual impact to the Mailhost > Configuration Feature I'm sorry if my statement above was misinterpreted. To be clear, the only impact is on creation/addition of new Mailhosts. > and an ongoing email backlog. I'm sorry that I posted that in error. It was what I believed at the time based on the last official post from a SpamCop employee. I am not a SpamCop employee. > We will continue to post updates to > http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=4743 as the > situation develops. > > Thank you for your patience. -- Best Regards, Jeff G. I have been a SpamCop User/Member/Customer since 1999 and am a Moderator of the new web-based forums (now the primary method for getting help, http://forum.spamcop.net). Please reply via Forum, Group, or List only. From pete+usenet at heypete.com Thu Aug 25 00:38:59 2005 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Thu Aug 25 02:40:01 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Anyone have a spare DSL modem? Message-ID: My old ZyXEL modem seems to have finally kicked the bucket. I have a Westell 2200 router/modem that's working in the interim, but it's not cooperating with my Linksys router (which is properly configured for this network here). All attempts to disable the "router" mode of the Westell and switch it to "bridge" mode without DHCP have met with utter failure, requiring factory-reset of the Westel modem. All I want is a plain-vanilla ADSL modem. No user interface is necessary. I'd be willing to pay a small amount for the modem and for shipping, of course. eBay sellers are selling a $5 for $20 shipping. Outrageous. Thanks. -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Fri Aug 26 10:45:54 2005 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Aug 26 09:50:22 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Never installed a hard drive before Message-ID: But I have to buy a new one and I'm doing it myself, so is there anything I need to know, or are directions included? From pete+usenet at heypete.com Fri Aug 26 08:54:29 2005 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Fri Aug 26 10:55:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Never installed a hard drive before References: Message-ID: In article , "Spamvireslayer" wrote: > But I have to buy a new one and I'm doing it myself, so is there > anything I need to know, or are directions included? Don't try to force anything. The cables only go one way, which is generally obvious from looking at them. Also, make sure the jumpers on IDE drives are configured right. Generally, if you have it on "cable detect", it's hard to go wrong. Otherwise it's pretty simple. -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Fri Aug 26 12:02:36 2005 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Aug 26 11:05:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Never installed a hard drive before References: Message-ID: "Pete Stephenson" wrote in message news:pete+usenet-259240.07542926082005@news.cesmail.net... > Don't try to force anything. The cables only go one way, which is > generally obvious from looking at them. > > Also, make sure the jumpers on IDE drives are configured right. > Generally, if you have it on "cable detect", it's hard to go wrong. > > Otherwise it's pretty simple. Will the jumpers be on the drive, already preset? I can't remember where they are..... Do they give you instructions with these things? I'm buying a Maxtor at Staples, either 60 or 80 gig, I have a $10 off coupon, so for $50, that's not a bad price, right? From JG at coks.net Fri Aug 26 09:23:23 2005 From: JG at coks.net (JG) Date: Fri Aug 26 11:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Never installed a hard drive before In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8/26/2005 8:02 AM Spamvireslayer scribbled: > "Pete Stephenson" wrote in message > news:pete+usenet-259240.07542926082005@news.cesmail.net... > >>Don't try to force anything. The cables only go one way, which is >>generally obvious from looking at them. >> >>Also, make sure the jumpers on IDE drives are configured right. >>Generally, if you have it on "cable detect", it's hard to go wrong. >> >>Otherwise it's pretty simple. > > > Will the jumpers be on the drive, already preset? I can't remember where they > are..... Do they give you instructions with these things? I'm buying a Maxtor at > Staples, either 60 or 80 gig, I have a $10 off coupon, so for $50, that's not a bad > price, right? > > The jumpers are on the back of the drive and may or may not be preset, but there are only 3 settings generally, so kinda easy to figure out. There will be some sort of instructions, although the english may be bad. Do a google search for installing drives and there will be plenty of sites to help. Pay attention to diff between slave and master and placement of the drive on the cable - 1st or 2nd connection. Its not brain surgery so don't be nervous... From user at domain.invalid Fri Aug 26 11:49:19 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Fri Aug 26 11:50:21 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] rt.njabl.org Message-ID: I have my server pretty well buttoned up security-wise. Curious as to why rt.njabl.org would be attemping a connection as witnessed in my messages log: inetd[98298]: refused connection from rt.njabl.org, service telnetd (tcp) I've never seen ANY of the DNSBL's do this before. Their IP is not listed in my hosts.allow file OR in httpd.conf "deny". Dunno From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Fri Aug 26 15:03:36 2005 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Aug 26 14:05:19 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Never installed a hard drive before References: Message-ID: "JG" wrote in message news:denc21$fsa$1@news.spamcop.net... > The jumpers are on the back of the drive and may or may not be preset, > but there are only 3 settings generally, so kinda easy to figure out. > There will be some sort of instructions, although the english may be > bad. Do a google search for installing drives and there will be plenty > of sites > to help. Pay attention to diff between slave and master and placement > of the drive on the cable - 1st or 2nd connection. > Its not brain surgery so don't be nervous... Yeah, but 1) I'm blonde (so what if it's from a bottle), 2) I have just enough knowledge to be dangerous, and 3) you actually know what you're talking about - I'm hoping for "not a complete mess!" Someone else suggested I mark things as I remove them with a highlighter, so that's what I'm going to do. Pray for me.... From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Aug 26 14:22:40 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Fri Aug 26 14:25:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Never installed a hard drive before References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:denavl$f78$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Will the jumpers be on the drive, already preset? I can't remember where they > are..... Do they give you instructions with these things? I'm buying a Maxtor at > Staples, either 60 or 80 gig, I have a $10 off coupon, so for $50, that's not a bad > price, right? A Maxtor drive will come with jumpers installed. The question is whether you are going to be "adding" the drive or "replacing" the drive. Software will also be in the package, with an option to format the drive if it's too big (not likely with the vintage of your system) and migrating the stuff from the old drive to the new drive. Technically speaking, there's also the question if you are just 'adding' the drive as to which 'connector' to use. Motherboard (generally) has two IDE slots, each handling two drives. So the question then comes in as to how many other IDE drives you have installed ... hard drives, CD, DVD, etc. Anyway, ton loads of data available via a Google search, many with pics in the tutorials. From pete+usenet at heypete.com Fri Aug 26 12:48:08 2005 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Fri Aug 26 14:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Never installed a hard drive before References: Message-ID: In article , "Spamvireslayer" wrote: > Will the jumpers be on the drive, already preset? Generally, the jumpers will be on the drive. All the ones I've seen had "cable detect" set by default, though some may be on "master" or "slave. There should be a little tiny diagram somewhere on the drive that would explain what the jumpers mean. > I can't remember where they are..... Do they give you instructions > with these things? The jumpers are right next to the where the IDE connector ribbon hooks up. If I had a digital camera, I'd take a picture. Just be sure to put the IDE connector in the right way (there's a tab on the cable connector that fits into a slot on the drive connector. It can only go in one way. If it doesn't work, flip the drive over.), and it shouldn't be a problem at all. Oh, be sure to connect a power connector to it. This too can only fit one way. Make sure both connectors are firmly seated. > I'm buying a Maxtor at Staples, either 60 or 80 gig, I have a $10 off > coupon, so for $50, that's not a bad price, right? Nope, not bad at all. -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Fri Aug 26 15:54:46 2005 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Aug 26 15:00:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Never installed a hard drive before References: Message-ID: "WazoO" wrote in message news:denmlg$le5$1@news.spamcop.net... ? > > A Maxtor drive will come with jumpers installed. The question is > whether you are going to be "adding" the drive or "replacing" the > drive. I'm replacing it - I know it's got bad sectors, and Windows got hosed and wouldn't repair itself, so I had to install it again, so now I have two OS's in there. I could reformat it, but since I know it's on the way out, I just saved myself a lot of time and bought a new drive. Software will also be in the package, with an option to > format the drive if it's too big (not likely with the vintage of your > system) and migrating the stuff from the old drive to the new drive. I bought 60 gig, I haven't even filled half my 40, so that's more than enough.... > > Anyway, ton loads of data available via a Google search, many > with pics in the tutorials. > Ooh, helpwithpics.com.....bookmarked! From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Aug 26 16:07:10 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Fri Aug 26 16:10:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Never installed a hard drive before References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:denoiv$m81$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "WazoO" wrote in message > news:denmlg$le5$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Software will also be in the package, with an option to > > format the drive if it's too big (not likely with the vintage of your > > system) and migrating the stuff from the old drive to the new drive. > > I bought 60 gig, I haven't even filled half my 40, so that's more than enough.... The "size" remark here was meaning things to do with BIOS, OS, and hardware limits on the size of the drive that can be handled. Like some of the ancient hardware floating around here that will only 'see' partitions of less than 2.1 Gig .... That "problem" probably went away when you got rid of the Barbie computer From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Fri Aug 26 17:25:46 2005 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.n