From driehuis.fcnzpbc2005 at playbeing.com Tue Feb 1 02:40:12 2005 From: driehuis.fcnzpbc2005 at playbeing.com (Bert Driehuis) Date: Mon Jan 31 20:45:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Are you running a GENUINE copy of WINDOWS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joe Gill wrote: > I guess it's just my feeling that if all this energy and venom (Not > necessarily in this thread.. industry in general..) would be directed in > EXPOILTING the technology DELIVERED and BOMARDING MS with known holes, we > would could see > 1) Solutions from the USER community to problems like SPAM, (above and > beyond blacklisting and reporting) and FIREWALLS > 2) Innovative usages of the technology to MAKE MONEY for the individuals > from the technology! > 3) A stronger Microsoft platform... > > I guess I feel that ANY time there is a MARKET leader ... everyone wants to > throw stones.... rather than BUILD upon what is there... A small housekeeping remark: PLEASE, STOP SHOUTING ALL THE TIME. Apologies for shouting. I particularly resent this common turn in any discussion about Microsoft. It's not that I haven't tried improving Windows and the other products Microsoft cross-subsidizes from the Windows+Office scalping. I've reported gazillions of bugs to Microsoft. I gave up years ago. They don't even listen to the IT managers at Fortune 500 companies. Unless you're a CIO (or better, CEO) at a Fortune 500 company, forget it. The only way to get their attention is to threaten to do them public harm. I reported an exploit of Exchange to them in 2002. You'd think they'd be grateful, start working on a patch and silently sneak it into Windows Update, right? Nope. They deny the issue exists. They published a workaround (if you can find it) that is dead wrong in that it fixes the exploit but not the information leak, and the leak is trivially bootstrapped into Owning the machine in most cases. The bug has been there for years now. My Microsoft eight ball can fairly accurately predict the future in this case. If another dozen security experts report the same bug to them, they will keep ignoring it. They may look into the issue if a CEO makes contract renewal contingent upon a fix. But they will really only fix it when the full exploit gets demonstrated live on CNN. Their public reaction will lament the fact that the guy that reported it didn't give them time to fix it. Just for kicks, try reporting a usability issue to them, like the stupid way the mouse pointer gets hidden in Flight Simulator, or the way "full screen mode" lops off a bunch of icons in Train Simulator (and no, even if you find the undocumented and unsupported way to run MSTS in windowed mode, you'll not encounter happiness). Between you and me, I wished they would come clean and enforce their EULA, royally screwing over customers like you who paid for XP but not enough to their liking. My principles prevent me from running illegal software, so I paid retail for my Win2K and XP licenses so that both my PC's are legal (the previous owner of my laptop already paid for XP, but the license is not transferrable as you know, so he can no longer use the license he paid for and neither can I -- is there anything wrong with that picture?). Why do I even use Windows? Games. There is no decent train simulator for UNIX (or for Mac, for that matter). From driehuis.fcnzpbc2005 at playbeing.com Tue Feb 1 02:44:42 2005 From: driehuis.fcnzpbc2005 at playbeing.com (Bert Driehuis) Date: Mon Jan 31 20:45:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: OpenOffice Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > I recently sent someone a document I created with Microsoft Word for > mac. They had trouble opening it with Open Office on a Windows machine. > ISTR that Microsoft had coded the mac version to write document files > exactly the same way that the windows version did. Can anyone think of > why there was trouble? > Is it a bug that I should submit to the OO folks? Anyone with Open > Office willing to receive this file to try to reproduce the error? I agree with every word Steven wrote, but if you drop me a copy of that document off-list I'll be happy to look at it nonetheless :-) From user at domain.invalid Tue Feb 1 07:50:42 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Tue Feb 1 08:50:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Are you running a GENUINE copy of WINDOWS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 01.02.2005 01:57, Pete Stephenson wrote: --- Original Message --- > In article , > Bert Driehuis wrote: > >> My principles prevent me from running illegal software, so I paid >> retail for my Win2K and XP licenses so that both my PC's are legal >> (the previous owner of my laptop already paid for XP, but the license >> is not transferrable as you know, so he can no longer use the license >> he paid for and neither can I -- is there anything wrong with that >> picture?). > > Yikes. I paid for the "academic" version of WinXP Professional at my > college bookstore. In the retail box, it was $100. In a little sleeve > with the product ID on the pack with a pamphlet describing the Microsoft > education license (yes, it's legal) was only $60. I forked over the $60. > > Sometimes being a student has its advantages. :) > Sometimes being young enough to be a student has its advantages. From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 07:30:43 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:20:23 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Mozilla blocking [WAS: What's with the multiple posts with no comments?] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: sk1w1 wrote: > Jan M. Nelken wrote: > >> sk1w1 wrote: >> >>> troll posing as Heidi aka Spamvampireslayer - some script kiddie with >>> some grudge they have developed for being called on being a >>> dickhead... rotating IPs so killfiles not as effectual... >> >> >> >> In Mozilla and/or FireFox - is there a way to block *existing* posts >> as well as *new* posts with some set of criterias? How? What criteria >> selectors are available? > > > I am using Mozilla 1.8a6 and can "block" the *new* posts using various > criteria as they come into a newsgroup using the message filters - but I > have found no way to do *existing* posts > > As far as I know / could find (with a somewhat cursory look I will > admit!) there is no 'killfile plugin' for Mozilla... From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Feb 1 16:19:21 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue Feb 1 19:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] ARRGGGGHHH!!! Goddamn Nero! Message-ID: Nero Burning ROM 5.5 is giving me endless grief, and tech support is only making it worse! I'm getting constant errors when burning CDs, so I go to their website to give them a call. Surprise, surprise, they've started charging us for phone support. Well fuck that, I'm not paying extra just because their piece of shit software doesn't work the way it should. So I send them an email. One week later, I get a response asking for certain log files. Ok, they must be busy. That's ok. I send the log files. One week later, I get a response asking to update my firmware. I tell them I did. One week later, they tell me to reinstall nero. I do that and it doesn't work. One week later, they ask for the SAME log files that I sent in the very beginning. One week later, they tell me to reinstall nero again. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE??????? One whole month and all they can do is tell me to update firmware and reinstall the product TWICE???? GAHHHHHHH!!!! I'm now officially on the market for new CD burning software. All I need is the ability to burn more than one CD at the same time (dual recorders). Any suggestions? From user at domain.invalid Tue Feb 1 20:10:28 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Tue Feb 1 21:10:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: ARRGGGGHHH!!! Goddamn Nero! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 01.02.2005 18:19, Borgholio wrote: --- Original Message --- > Nero Burning ROM 5.5 is giving me endless grief, and tech support is only > making it worse! I'm getting constant errors when burning CDs, so I go to > their website to give them a call. Surprise, surprise, they've started > charging us for phone support. Well fuck that, I'm not paying extra just > because their piece of shit software doesn't work the way it should. So I > send them an email. One week later, I get a response asking for certain log > files. Ok, they must be busy. That's ok. I send the log files. > > One week later, I get a response asking to update my firmware. I tell them > I did. > > One week later, they tell me to reinstall nero. I do that and it doesn't > work. > > One week later, they ask for the SAME log files that I sent in the very > beginning. > > One week later, they tell me to reinstall nero again. > > > WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE??????? > > One whole month and all they can do is tell me to update firmware and > reinstall the product TWICE???? GAHHHHHHH!!!! > > > I'm now officially on the market for new CD burning software. All I need is > the ability to burn more than one CD at the same time (dual recorders). Any > suggestions? Rant if you must but we can't help ya unless you tell us more details, such as error messages and such as well as any other details pertinent to the issue, e.g., burner? drivers updated? USB, IDE or what, so forth and so on ... From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Feb 1 18:19:33 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue Feb 1 21:20:23 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: ARRGGGGHHH!!! Goddamn Nero! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: User wrote: > On 01.02.2005 18:19, Borgholio wrote: > > --- Original Message --- > > >>Nero Burning ROM 5.5 is giving me endless grief, and tech support is only >>making it worse! I'm getting constant errors when burning CDs, so I go to >>their website to give them a call. Surprise, surprise, they've started >>charging us for phone support. Well fuck that, I'm not paying extra just >>because their piece of shit software doesn't work the way it should. So I >>send them an email. One week later, I get a response asking for certain log >>files. Ok, they must be busy. That's ok. I send the log files. >> >>One week later, I get a response asking to update my firmware. I tell them >>I did. >> >>One week later, they tell me to reinstall nero. I do that and it doesn't >>work. >> >>One week later, they ask for the SAME log files that I sent in the very >>beginning. >> >>One week later, they tell me to reinstall nero again. >> >> >>WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE??????? >> >>One whole month and all they can do is tell me to update firmware and >>reinstall the product TWICE???? GAHHHHHHH!!!! >> >> >>I'm now officially on the market for new CD burning software. All I need is >>the ability to burn more than one CD at the same time (dual recorders). Any >>suggestions? > > > Rant if you must but we can't help ya unless you tell us more details, > such as error messages and such as well as any other details pertinent > to the issue, e.g., burner? drivers updated? USB, IDE or what, so forth > and so on ... I'm fed up with troubleshooting this POS so I was simply content to rant. :) But if you're willing to help, here ya go. 2x USB 2.0 CD-RW drives (52x32x52) Latest firmwares installed Fresh copy of Nero 5.5 installed The problem occurs after I burn a CD. The burn usually goes by flawlessly, but as soon as it finishes the burn and begins to eject the disc, I get an "invalid field in parameter" error. When I'm burning multiple copies of a CD, I will sometimes get the error on one drive, and sometimes on the other. If only one drive gets that error, then I can continue burning copies. If both drives the the same error at the same time, then the burn terminates and I have to start over again. From notgiven at nodomain.net Tue Feb 1 23:00:12 2005 From: notgiven at nodomain.net (C. S.) Date: Tue Feb 1 23:05:29 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: ARRGGGGHHH!!! Goddamn Nero! References: Message-ID: Sometime around Tue, 01 Feb 2005 18:19:33 -0800, Borgholio deemed it necessary to offer: > User wrote: > > On 01.02.2005 18:19, Borgholio wrote: > > > > --- Original Message --- > > > > > >>Nero Burning ROM 5.5 is giving me endless grief, and tech support is only > >>making it worse! I'm getting constant errors when burning CDs, so I go to > >>their website to give them a call. Surprise, surprise, they've started > >>charging us for phone support. Well fuck that, I'm not paying extra just > >>because their piece of shit software doesn't work the way it should. So I > >>send them an email. One week later, I get a response asking for certain log > >>files. Ok, they must be busy. That's ok. I send the log files. > >> > > Rant if you must but we can't help ya unless you tell us more details, > > such as error messages and such as well as any other details pertinent > > to the issue, e.g., burner? drivers updated? USB, IDE or what, so forth > > and so on ... > > I'm fed up with troubleshooting this POS so I was simply content to rant. > :) But if you're willing to help, here ya go. > > 2x USB 2.0 CD-RW drives (52x32x52) > Latest firmwares installed > Fresh copy of Nero 5.5 installed > > > The problem occurs after I burn a CD. The burn usually goes by flawlessly, > but as soon as it finishes the burn and begins to eject the disc, I get an > "invalid field in parameter" error. When I'm burning multiple copies of a > CD, I will sometimes get the error on one drive, and sometimes on the other. > If only one drive gets that error, then I can continue burning copies. If > both drives the the same error at the same time, then the burn terminates > and I have to start over again. Perchance is anything new to the setup, i.e. media brand, USB cables, external boxes(if said drives are in fact external), etc... since the last success(es)? I gave up on Adaptec's software several years ago after it did nothing but create shiny coasters, switching to NERO. I've been extremely pleased since then, what with quite a few different burners and media brands since then. I've updated the software version a couple of times, but have no qualms. I'd venture a guess that you may have hit on a particularly bad combination of media/burner; I went through the same thing a couple of years back. After trying a few different brands of blanks, I found one that gave consistent results and stayed with it for the drive I had at the time. Some burners are very finicky about the media; others offer more wiggle-room. From notgiven at nodomain.net Tue Feb 1 23:03:54 2005 From: notgiven at nodomain.net (C. S.) Date: Tue Feb 1 23:05:34 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: ARRGGGGHHH!!! Goddamn Nero! References: Message-ID: Sometime around Tue, 01 Feb 2005 23:00:12 -0500, C. S. deemed it necessary to offer: > Perchance is anything new to the setup, i.e. media brand, USB cables, > external boxes(if said drives are in fact external), etc... since > the last success(es)? > > I gave up on Adaptec's software several years ago after it did > nothing but create shiny coasters, switching to NERO. I've been > extremely pleased since then, what with quite a few different > burners and media brands since then. I've updated the > software version a couple of times, but have no qualms. > > I'd venture a guess that you may have hit on a particularly > bad combination of media/burner; I went through the same > thing a couple of years back. After trying a few different > brands of blanks, I found one that gave consistent results > and stayed with it for the drive I had at the time. > Some burners are very finicky about the media; > others offer more wiggle-room. Oh, and try knocking the write speed down a notch or two, if you haven't already. From rcarlton at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 21:36:00 2005 From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton) Date: Wed Feb 2 00:40:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: ARRGGGGHHH!!! Goddamn Nero! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hmm, some casual Googling brought up and interesting solution: http://www.computeruser.com/articles/2212,4,27,1,1201,03.html "In any event, I eventually did come up with a less-than-perfect solution: Delete Nero Express, use the less buggy (but not XP-compatible) Nero Burning ROM on my old PC, and put Apple's PC version of iTunes on the one running XP." Which does beg the question.... update your iTunes lately? The 4.7.1 update could've munged with the (*delicate) balance off your PC. The only other red flag for me was that your drives are on USB2, which mad eme wonder if some background task - virus scanning, disk defrag, etc - could be causing enough CPU utilization that it interfered with the USB bus and triggered Nero evil. From user at domain.invalid Tue Feb 1 23:38:23 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Wed Feb 2 00:40:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: ARRGGGGHHH!!! Goddamn Nero! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 01.02.2005 20:19, Borgholio wrote: --- Original Message --- > User wrote: >> On 01.02.2005 18:19, Borgholio wrote: >> >> --- Original Message --- >> >> >>>Nero Burning ROM 5.5 is giving me endless grief, and tech support is only >>>making it worse! I'm getting constant errors when burning CDs, so I go to >>>their website to give them a call. Surprise, surprise, they've started >>>charging us for phone support. Well fuck that, I'm not paying extra just >>>because their piece of shit software doesn't work the way it should. So I >>>send them an email. One week later, I get a response asking for certain log >>>files. Ok, they must be busy. That's ok. I send the log files. >>> >>>One week later, I get a response asking to update my firmware. I tell them >>>I did. >>> >>>One week later, they tell me to reinstall nero. I do that and it doesn't >>>work. >>> >>>One week later, they ask for the SAME log files that I sent in the very >>>beginning. >>> >>>One week later, they tell me to reinstall nero again. >>> >>> >>>WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE??????? >>> >>>One whole month and all they can do is tell me to update firmware and >>>reinstall the product TWICE???? GAHHHHHHH!!!! >>> >>> >>>I'm now officially on the market for new CD burning software. All I need is >>>the ability to burn more than one CD at the same time (dual recorders). Any >>>suggestions? >> >> >> Rant if you must but we can't help ya unless you tell us more details, >> such as error messages and such as well as any other details pertinent >> to the issue, e.g., burner? drivers updated? USB, IDE or what, so forth >> and so on ... > > I'm fed up with troubleshooting this POS so I was simply content to rant. > :) But if you're willing to help, here ya go. > > 2x USB 2.0 CD-RW drives (52x32x52) > Latest firmwares installed > Fresh copy of Nero 5.5 installed > > > The problem occurs after I burn a CD. The burn usually goes by flawlessly, > but as soon as it finishes the burn and begins to eject the disc, I get an > "invalid field in parameter" error. When I'm burning multiple copies of a > CD, I will sometimes get the error on one drive, and sometimes on the other. > If only one drive gets that error, then I can continue burning copies. If > both drives the the same error at the same time, then the burn terminates > and I have to start over again. Disable any/all AV app(s) running. But the most commmon culprit is MS Findfast utility cuz it monitors all disk activity and is a known problematic application. The first thing that gets sent to magnetic purgatory here is FF after installing Word, Office or whatever. Nero 5/6 runs here quite flawlessly. Plextor 712A, XP-Pro, 1gig ram, AMD 3200+. From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Feb 1 22:03:48 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Feb 2 01:05:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: ARRGGGGHHH!!! Goddamn Nero! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: C. S. wrote: > Sometime around Tue, 01 Feb 2005 18:19:33 -0800, Borgholio > deemed it necessary to offer: > > Perchance is anything new to the setup, i.e. media brand, USB cables, > external boxes(if said drives are in fact external), etc... since > the last success(es)? Nothing that I know of. I've tried different media, drives, and external boxes, to no avail. > > I gave up on Adaptec's software several years ago after it did > nothing but create shiny coasters, switching to NERO. I've been > extremely pleased since then, what with quite a few different > burners and media brands since then. I've updated the > software version a couple of times, but have no qualms. The software works fine on internal drives, just not in external. And the fact their tech support takes a week to get back to me doesn't help. > > I'd venture a guess that you may have hit on a particularly > bad combination of media/burner; I went through the same > thing a couple of years back. After trying a few different > brands of blanks, I found one that gave consistent results > and stayed with it for the drive I had at the time. > Some burners are very finicky about the media; > others offer more wiggle-room. I tried 4 drives and 5 different kinds of media. :) From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Feb 1 22:04:25 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Feb 2 01:05:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: ARRGGGGHHH!!! Goddamn Nero! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: C. S. wrote: > Sometime around Tue, 01 Feb 2005 23:00:12 -0500, C. S. deemed it > necessary to offer: > > >>Perchance is anything new to the setup, i.e. media brand, USB cables, >>external boxes(if said drives are in fact external), etc... since >>the last success(es)? >> >>I gave up on Adaptec's software several years ago after it did >>nothing but create shiny coasters, switching to NERO. I've been >>extremely pleased since then, what with quite a few different >>burners and media brands since then. I've updated the >>software version a couple of times, but have no qualms. >> >>I'd venture a guess that you may have hit on a particularly >>bad combination of media/burner; I went through the same >>thing a couple of years back. After trying a few different >>brands of blanks, I found one that gave consistent results >>and stayed with it for the drive I had at the time. >>Some burners are very finicky about the media; >>others offer more wiggle-room. > > > Oh, and try knocking the write speed down a notch > or two, if you haven't already. Tried that, didn't work. I'll try again, just to be sure. The error only occurs when the software tries to eject the disc...it does not occur during the burn itself. From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Feb 1 22:06:19 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Feb 2 01:10:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: ARRGGGGHHH!!! Goddamn Nero! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rick Carlton wrote: > Hmm, some casual Googling brought up and interesting solution: > > http://www.computeruser.com/articles/2212,4,27,1,1201,03.html > > "In any event, I eventually did come up with a less-than-perfect > solution: Delete Nero Express, use the less buggy (but not > XP-compatible) Nero Burning ROM on my old PC, and put Apple's PC version > of iTunes on the one running XP." > > Which does beg the question.... update your iTunes lately? The 4.7.1 > update could've munged with the (*delicate) balance off your PC. Already running the full version of Nero, and I don't own an Ipod. :) > > The only other red flag for me was that your drives are on USB2, which > mad eme wonder if some background task - virus scanning, disk defrag, > etc - could be causing enough CPU utilization that it interfered with > the USB bus and triggered Nero evil. It's quite possible...but could high CPU usage really make the USB take a fart? It happens on both my onboard USB 1 and my PCI USB 2. From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Feb 1 22:07:21 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Feb 2 01:10:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: ARRGGGGHHH!!! Goddamn Nero! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: User wrote: > On 01.02.2005 20:19, Borgholio wrote: > > > Disable any/all AV app(s) running. But the most commmon culprit is MS > Findfast utility cuz it monitors all disk activity and is a known > problematic application. The first thing that gets sent to magnetic > purgatory here is FF after installing Word, Office or whatever. Nero 5/6 > runs here quite flawlessly. Plextor 712A, XP-Pro, 1gig ram, AMD 3200+. > AV is disabled, Findfast doesn't exist. I hate it too. :) From rcarlton at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 23:20:38 2005 From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton) Date: Wed Feb 2 02:25:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: ARRGGGGHHH!!! Goddamn Nero! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > It's quite possible...but could high CPU usage really make the USB take > a fart? It happens on both my onboard USB 1 and my PCI USB 2. Were drives on the PCI card? In theory, moving data between ports on the same USB2 hub (the card) - and you might be able to keep all of the data transfer local to the card. And what about checking Nero's temp files? Perhaps there's some file that's locked and can't be written to, triggering the error? From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Feb 1 23:27:44 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Feb 2 02:30:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: ARRGGGGHHH!!! Goddamn Nero! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rick Carlton wrote: > Borgholio wrote: > >> It's quite possible...but could high CPU usage really make the USB >> take a fart? It happens on both my onboard USB 1 and my PCI USB 2. > > Were drives on the PCI card? Yep. > > And what about checking Nero's temp files? > > Perhaps there's some file that's locked and can't be written to, > triggering the error? > Tried completely deleting and re-installing Nero...including the temp files. From rcarlton at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 23:39:05 2005 From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton) Date: Wed Feb 2 02:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: ARRGGGGHHH!!! Goddamn Nero! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > Tried completely deleting and re-installing Nero...including the temp > files. What about Deleting and Re-Adding the Hardware in Windows? (via Add Hardware Wizard - which lets you do both) From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 08:53:50 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ewe) Date: Wed Feb 2 09:00:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Indi is locked out... Message-ID: He says he is getting this message - anyone know what this error message is about? "Outlook Express could not post your message. Subject 'immigrant thread', Account: 'news.spamcop.net', Server: 'news.spamcop.net', Protocol: NNTP, Server Response: '440 Posting not allowed', Port: 119, Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 440, Error Number: 0x800CCCA9" From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Feb 2 09:11:10 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Feb 2 12:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: ARRGGGGHHH!!! Goddamn Nero! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rick Carlton wrote: > Borgholio wrote: > >> Tried completely deleting and re-installing Nero...including the temp >> files. > > > What about Deleting and Re-Adding the Hardware in Windows? > > (via Add Hardware Wizard - which lets you do both) Which hardware? From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 13:00:55 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Wed Feb 2 14:05:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Indi is locked out... References: Message-ID: "Ewe" wrote in message news:ctqm3t$ghn$1@news.spamcop.net... > He says he is getting this message - anyone know what this error message is about? > > "Outlook Express could not post your message. Subject 'immigrant thread', > Account: 'news.spamcop.net', Server: 'news.spamcop.net', Protocol: NNTP, > Server Response: '440 Posting not allowed', Port: 119, Secure(SSL): No, > Server Error: 440, Error Number: 0x800CCCA9" A very quick shot .... there is no account 'here' named "news.spamcop.net:" ..... so not sure if you are relating the "account" used on Indie's display or if this is what went wrong. If that's not it, then it's time for the clean-up, maintenance, compact utilities to ensure that all the folders are cleaned up, follow that with a scandisk and of course a defrag .... From ftabor at direcway.com Wed Feb 2 14:26:59 2005 From: ftabor at direcway.com (Frank Tabor) Date: Wed Feb 2 14:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Indi is locked out... References: Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 13:00:55 -0600, "WazoO" wrote: >"Ewe" wrote in message >news:ctqm3t$ghn$1@news.spamcop.net... >> He says he is getting this message - anyone know what this error message >is about? >> >> "Outlook Express could not post your message. Subject 'immigrant thread', >> Account: 'news.spamcop.net', Server: 'news.spamcop.net', Protocol: NNTP, >> Server Response: '440 Posting not allowed', Port: 119, Secure(SSL): No, >> Server Error: 440, Error Number: 0x800CCCA9" > >A very quick shot .... there is no account 'here' named >"news.spamcop.net:" ..... so not sure if you are relating >the "account" used on Indie's display or if this is what >went wrong. If that's not it, then it's time for the clean-up, >maintenance, compact utilities to ensure that all the >folders are cleaned up, follow that with a scandisk >and of course a defrag .... > That's just what he calls it locally on OE. From nobodyhere at spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 14:26:29 2005 From: nobodyhere at spamcop.net (Fluffy) Date: Wed Feb 2 14:30:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Indi is locked out... References: Message-ID: "Frank Tabor" wrote in message news:iba201dtf0opf23vualft27ahq5b5i156s@4ax.com... > > > >A very quick shot .... there is no account 'here' named > >"news.spamcop.net:" ..... so not sure if you are relating > >the "account" used on Indie's display or if this is what > >went wrong. If that's not it, then it's time for the clean-up, > >maintenance, compact utilities to ensure that all the > >folders are cleaned up, follow that with a scandisk > >and of course a defrag .... > > > > That's just what he calls it locally on OE. Would it matter if his news account server was news.spamcop.net and not news.cesmail.net, or are they interchangeable? From user at domain.invalid Wed Feb 2 13:39:42 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Wed Feb 2 14:40:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: ARRGGGGHHH!!! Goddamn Nero! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 02.02.2005 11:11, Borgholio wrote: --- Original Message --- > Rick Carlton wrote: >> Borgholio wrote: >> >>> Tried completely deleting and re-installing Nero...including the temp >>> files. >> >> >> What about Deleting and Re-Adding the Hardware in Windows? >> >> (via Add Hardware Wizard - which lets you do both) > > Which hardware? Your CD devices CONTROL-Panel add/remove hardware (wizard) But if you're running outboard USB drives then add/remove isn't gonna do anything that I'm aware of. Curious .. Do you by chance have an icon in the systray that when you mouse-over it says to the effect "safely remove hardware" ?? From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Feb 2 11:42:26 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Feb 2 14:45:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: ARRGGGGHHH!!! Goddamn Nero! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: User wrote: > On 02.02.2005 11:11, Borgholio wrote: > > But if you're running outboard USB drives then add/remove isn't gonna do > anything that I'm aware of. Yep, outboard. > > Curious .. Do you by chance have an icon in the systray that when you > mouse-over it says to the effect "safely remove hardware" ?? Sure do. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 15:30:11 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Wed Feb 2 16:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Indi is locked out... References: Message-ID: "Fluffy" wrote in message news:ctr9jj$ul4$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Would it matter if his news account server was news.spamcop.net and not > news.cesmail.net, or are they interchangeable? I don't recall news.cesmail.net ever being suggested as the server, but ... just added it here, and yes, it does point to the same place, newsgroups loaded up just fine. Not sure I'd recommend it, though technically not a big issue at the moment .. both are pointing to one of JT's machines. From ric.gates at bigsleep.org Wed Feb 2 21:37:55 2005 From: ric.gates at bigsleep.org (Blammo) Date: Wed Feb 2 16:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: ARRGGGGHHH!!! Goddamn Nero! References: Message-ID: On 01 Feb 2005 Borgholio entered spamcop.geeks and left news:ctpvde$2p6$1@news.spamcop.net: > Rick Carlton wrote: >> Borgholio wrote: >> >>> It's quite possible...but could high CPU usage really make the USB >>> take a fart? It happens on both my onboard USB 1 and my PCI USB 2. >> >> Were drives on the PCI card? > > Yep. > I've had trouble with some USB devices because they were sharing an IRQ with another device. You can try moving a card to anther slot, or perhaps if the USB card has a different IRQ than the onboard devices (which are usually all shared), you won't get the error. One of the PCI slots, usually the top or the bottom, is shared with the onboard devices. Even if you move the card, Windows may still assign all devices the same IRQ, then you would need to use the BIOS to assign an IRQ to that slot. Also you could try going into safe mode and removing all USB devices, and while you are there, any duplicates or removed devices. I've even had to go into the registry and remove duplicate devices from there. You shouldn't be having this problem; but I had strange problems with one burner after removing drives, the software didn't seem to like the drive letter assignment. But this was a SCSI, and since the USB drive letters should be assigned last, I don't think that would be a problem, unless maybe some other device is assigned a drive letter after it. -- | Ric | From nobodyhere at spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 16:37:26 2005 From: nobodyhere at spamcop.net (Fluffy) Date: Wed Feb 2 16:40:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Indi is locked out... References: Message-ID: "WazoO" wrote in message news:ctrgp3$46s$1@news.spamcop.net... > "Fluffy" wrote in message > news:ctr9jj$ul4$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > Would it matter if his news account server was news.spamcop.net and not > > news.cesmail.net, or are they interchangeable? > > I don't recall news.cesmail.net ever being suggested as > the server, but ... just added it here, and yes, it does > point to the same place, newsgroups loaded up > just fine. Not sure I'd recommend it, though > technically not a big issue at the moment .. both > are pointing to one of JT's machines. Weird, because that's what all my settings say, I can't remember when it changed from news.spamcop., or when it may have changed back. From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Feb 2 13:45:24 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Feb 2 16:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: ARRGGGGHHH!!! Goddamn Nero! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Blammo wrote: > On 01 Feb 2005 Borgholio entered spamcop.geeks and left > news:ctpvde$2p6$1@news.spamcop.net: > > >>Rick Carlton wrote: >> >>>Borgholio wrote: >>> >>> >>>>It's quite possible...but could high CPU usage really make the USB >>>>take a fart? It happens on both my onboard USB 1 and my PCI USB 2. >>> >>>Were drives on the PCI card? >> >>Yep. >> > > > I've had trouble with some USB devices because they were sharing an IRQ > with another device. You can try moving a card to anther slot, or perhaps > if the USB card has a different IRQ than the onboard devices (which are > usually all shared), you won't get the error. One of the PCI slots, usually > the top or the bottom, is shared with the onboard devices. Even if you move > the card, Windows may still assign all devices the same IRQ, then you would > need to use the BIOS to assign an IRQ to that slot. > Also you could try going into safe mode and removing all USB devices, and > while you are there, any duplicates or removed devices. I've even had to go > into the registry and remove duplicate devices from there. Well, IRQ 10 is being shared with my onboard audio, my wireless network PCI card, and my onboard USB controller. It's also sharing IRQ 5 with my video card. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Wed Feb 2 23:03:00 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Wed Feb 2 17:05:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Indi is locked out... References: Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 16:37:26 -0500, Fluffy coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > Weird, because that's what all my settings say, I can't remember when > it changed from news.spamcop., or when it may have changed back. I don't think it ever did change. I've always been using news.spamcop.net here with no problems. -- Steve A clear conscience is usually the sign of a bad memory. From ric.gates at bigsleep.org Thu Feb 3 02:15:17 2005 From: ric.gates at bigsleep.org (Blammo) Date: Wed Feb 2 21:20:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: ARRGGGGHHH!!! Goddamn Nero! References: Message-ID: On 02 Feb 2005 Borgholio entered spamcop.geeks and left news:ctrhlc$4th$1@news.spamcop.net: > Well, IRQ 10 is being shared with my onboard audio, my wireless > network PCI card, and my onboard USB controller. It's also sharing > IRQ 5 with my video card. > Well that's probably OK, but are you saying the USB2 card is on IRQ 5? If it's in the top slot next to the vid card then it could be using the same IRQ. But I don't think the vid card would cause any trouble, other than maybe making it hot. -- | Ric | From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Feb 2 18:41:39 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Feb 2 21:45:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: ARRGGGGHHH!!! Goddamn Nero! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Blammo wrote: > On 02 Feb 2005 Borgholio entered spamcop.geeks and left > news:ctrhlc$4th$1@news.spamcop.net: > > >>Well, IRQ 10 is being shared with my onboard audio, my wireless >>network PCI card, and my onboard USB controller. It's also sharing >>IRQ 5 with my video card. >> > > > Well that's probably OK, but are you saying the USB2 card is on IRQ 5? If > it's in the top slot next to the vid card then it could be using the same > IRQ. But I don't think the vid card would cause any trouble, other than > maybe making it hot. > Here's how it looks: AGP - Video card PCI - empty PCI - empty PCI - Wireless Network card PCI - empty PCI - USB 2.0 card PCI - empty From driehuis.fcnzpbc2005 at playbeing.com Thu Feb 3 04:53:00 2005 From: driehuis.fcnzpbc2005 at playbeing.com (Bert Driehuis) Date: Wed Feb 2 22:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Are you running a GENUINE copy of WINDOWS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Pete Stephenson wrote: > Yikes. I paid for the "academic" version of WinXP Professional at my > college bookstore. In the retail box, it was $100. In a little sleeve > with the product ID on the pack with a pamphlet describing the Microsoft > education license (yes, it's legal) was only $60. I forked over the $60. > > Sometimes being a student has its advantages. :) Sometimes being a mindless corporation has its advantages too. You paid around $45 more than Dell does. That's why you get a PC free with the purchase of a $500 Windows license at Dell. For what it's worth, I paid EUR 50 for a WinXP Amateur Edition, UK language version. I have yet to find out how it substantially differs from the WinXP Overpaid Edition. If I required more than ten concurrent connections I'd be using FreeBSD in the first place :-) It is also beyond me why the Amateur Edition in Dutch costs around EUR 100 -- I'd want money back for having to cope with the yucky translation. And for the $64,000 question: why is MS getting away with such obvious predatory pricing? And that's "predatory" as in "apex preditor", as in "I'm gonna make you an offer you can't refuse". Back when I was young and half as pretty, that kind of 'tude would bring RICO charges. From rcarlton at spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 20:37:31 2005 From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton) Date: Wed Feb 2 23:40:17 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Indi is locked out... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Quit OE. Rename outbox.dbx to outbox.bad Relaunch OE. From ric.gates at bigsleep.org Thu Feb 3 05:16:48 2005 From: ric.gates at bigsleep.org (Blammo) Date: Thu Feb 3 00:20:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: ARRGGGGHHH!!! Goddamn Nero! References: Message-ID: On 02 Feb 2005 Borgholio entered spamcop.geeks and left news:cts30p$fjj$1@news.spamcop.net: > Here's how it looks: > > AGP - Video card > PCI - empty > PCI - empty > PCI - Wireless Network card > PCI - empty > PCI - USB 2.0 card > PCI - empty > That looks good to me. The only other thing I can think of, like I mentioned, look for duplicate entries in safe mode. I had an old CD-R that would give me an error at the end of the write sometimes, but it usually wrote the disk fine. I'm pretty sure that started happening after I removed some hard drives, and removing the duplicate entries fixed it. But the drive failed shortly after that, so who knows? It was a POS anyway. -- | Ric | From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Feb 2 22:09:22 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Feb 3 01:10:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: ARRGGGGHHH!!! Goddamn Nero! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Blammo wrote: > On 02 Feb 2005 Borgholio entered spamcop.geeks and left > news:cts30p$fjj$1@news.spamcop.net: > > >>Here's how it looks: >> >>AGP - Video card >>PCI - empty >>PCI - empty >>PCI - Wireless Network card >>PCI - empty >>PCI - USB 2.0 card >>PCI - empty >> > > > That looks good to me. > The only other thing I can think of, like I mentioned, look for duplicate > entries in safe mode. I had an old CD-R that would give me an error at the > end of the write sometimes, but it usually wrote the disk fine. I'm pretty > sure that started happening after I removed some hard drives, and removing > the duplicate entries fixed it. But the drive failed shortly after that, so > who knows? It was a POS anyway. > Yeah but these are USB drives, so they don't even show up in the device manager to begin with. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 20:37:31 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spam Reporter) Date: Thu Feb 3 02:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Indi is locked out... References: Message-ID: Rick Carlton wrote: > Quit OE. > > Rename outbox.dbx to outbox.bad > > Relaunch OE. Better yet, re-format the hard drive and start over. It's probably a virus or something. From pete+usenet at heypete.com Thu Feb 3 00:56:18 2005 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Thu Feb 3 04:00:14 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Water-cooling, take one. Message-ID: My Koolance Exos arrived today, which is a plus. I hooked up as much as I could, but had the following problems: * CPU cooler block doesn't fit the Athlon64. Had to shell out about $50 for an Athlon64-compatible block and the clamp-down adapter to make it fit. That and a block for my graphics card will be arriving soon. * Plastic connector thingy on the reservoir that the tube from the radiator connects to was leaking. On further inspection, it broke off in my hand. After much wranging, I managed to pull the broken nub out of the plastic tubing. A bit of epoxy has been applied and it'll sit overnight with a small, balanced weight on top to ensure that it sets properly. It's not under warranty (the joys of buying "new in box" from eBay -- I'm sure the original seller didn't know about that problem; the whole system was brand-new, still sealed in the original box. Current status: The Northbridge and hard disk coolers are attached to their respective locations. This caused mild disturbation: * The only workable angle for the Northbridge cooler requires that the coolant tubes lightly press against the backside of the graphics card. While I doubt this has any ill effects as they're rather strong, it puts just a slight degree of stress on the card. Other possible angles would either put the tubes into a bank of capacitors or into the CPU. * The hard disk cooler required some chemistry fun -- mixing two chemicals to form a gooey "silly putty" that one spreads over the circuits and spindle drive motor (obviously sealed inside) of the hard disk. A large aluminum block is then screwed onto the hard disk such that it sandwiches the goo in between the two. The goo is evidently some sort of non-conductive thermal transfer compound, and they say it hardens to a rubbery substance in about 60 hours and can be easily removed by simply peeling it off once it hardens, if necessary. The water circuit was completed, hoses clamped (though I can't figure out how to clamp the NB cooler...it just doesn't seem to be possible with the clamps provided. Maybe I'll get some small screw-down hose clamps?), air removed, and everything primed and ready. Contrary to the instructions, I filled it with tap water (though I'll drain the system and put their "coolant" (distilled water with some anti-corrosion stuff) when all the parts arrive and I get everything hooked up. The system ran normally and kept the hard disk and NB quite cool, though there's no temperature sensors for either (the NB is usually cool due to the heat sink I removed, so I don't know how warm it really gets. The HD usually gets quite toasty when running, but the goo stuff and the cooler block seem to work quite well.). After doing all the testing, I noticed the small leak and the cracked connector. Now the epoxy's setting and the parts I need to make it work with my CPU have been ordered. All in all, it looks to be a pretty good system, with the exception of this cracked part. I wish they used metal connectors as opposed to plastic, but I guess it saves money. I do, however, have one technical question: Why would using regular tap water in the mechanism not be suitable? They claim it would cause corrosion, but I've had electric pumps and motors for my tropical fish tank run for 5+ years without any problems, and that's with fish-goo in the water too. I don't see how clean tap water would have any effect on aluminum (which, I believe, doesn't corrode, though I may be wrong) or the waterproofed electric pumps in the system. Anyone know the answer? -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From ric.gates at bigsleep.org Thu Feb 3 09:32:47 2005 From: ric.gates at bigsleep.org (Blammo) Date: Thu Feb 3 04:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: ARRGGGGHHH!!! Goddamn Nero! References: Message-ID: On 02 Feb 2005 Borgholio entered spamcop.geeks and left news:ctsf67$n0d$1@news.spamcop.net: > Yeah but these are USB drives, so they don't even show up in the device > manager to begin with. > This site looks helpful... http://www.usbman.com/winxpusbguide.htm especially this page that explains how to remove USB devices in safe mode http://tinyurl.com/2fwb or -- | Ric | From nobody at nowhere.invalid Thu Feb 3 13:19:09 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Thu Feb 3 07:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Water-cooling, take one. References: Message-ID: On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 00:56:18 -0800, Pete Stephenson coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > I do, however, have one technical question: Why would using regular tap > water in the mechanism not be suitable? .... Anyone know the answer? You don't pay them any money if you put tap water in the circuit. -- Steve From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Feb 3 08:01:05 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Feb 3 08:05:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Water-cooling, take one. References: Message-ID: "Pete Stephenson" wrote in message news:pete+usenet-6482DF.00561803022005@news.cesmail.net... | | I do, however, have one technical question: Why would using regular tap | water in the mechanism not be suitable? They claim it would cause | corrosion, but I've had electric pumps and motors for my tropical fish | tank run for 5+ years without any problems, and that's with fish-goo in | the water too. I don't see how clean tap water would have any effect on | aluminum (which, I believe, doesn't corrode, though I may be wrong) or | the waterproofed electric pumps in the system. Anyone know the answer? For the same reason you are not to put tap water in a Lead Acid batter tap water contains all sorts of chemicals not the lease of which is chlorine. Not so much any more but not too long ago children, expectant and nursing mother were recommended to not to drink the local water and to drink (selected brands) of bottle water. From user at domain.invalid Thu Feb 3 07:56:58 2005 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Thu Feb 3 09:00:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Water-cooling, take one. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 03.02.2005 02:56, Pete Stephenson wrote: --- Original Message --- > My Koolance Exos arrived today, which is a plus. I hooked up as much as > I could, but had the following problems: > > * CPU cooler block doesn't fit the Athlon64. Had to shell out about $50 > for an Athlon64-compatible block and the clamp-down adapter to make it > fit. That and a block for my graphics card will be arriving soon. > * Plastic connector thingy on the reservoir that the tube from the > radiator connects to was leaking. On further inspection, it broke off in > my hand. After much wranging, I managed to pull the broken nub out of > the plastic tubing. A bit of epoxy has been applied and it'll sit > overnight with a small, balanced weight on top to ensure that it sets > properly. It's not under warranty (the joys of buying "new in box" from > eBay -- I'm sure the original seller didn't know about that problem; the > whole system was brand-new, still sealed in the original box. > > Current status: The Northbridge and hard disk coolers are attached to > their respective locations. This caused mild disturbation: > * The only workable angle for the Northbridge cooler requires that the > coolant tubes lightly press against the backside of the graphics card. > While I doubt this has any ill effects as they're rather strong, it puts > just a slight degree of stress on the card. Other possible angles would > either put the tubes into a bank of capacitors or into the CPU. > * The hard disk cooler required some chemistry fun -- mixing two > chemicals to form a gooey "silly putty" that one spreads over the > circuits and spindle drive motor (obviously sealed inside) of the hard > disk. A large aluminum block is then screwed onto the hard disk such > that it sandwiches the goo in between the two. The goo is evidently some > sort of non-conductive thermal transfer compound, and they say it > hardens to a rubbery substance in about 60 hours and can be easily > removed by simply peeling it off once it hardens, if necessary. > > The water circuit was completed, hoses clamped (though I can't figure > out how to clamp the NB cooler...it just doesn't seem to be possible > with the clamps provided. Maybe I'll get some small screw-down hose > clamps?), air removed, and everything primed and ready. Contrary to the > instructions, I filled it with tap water (though I'll drain the system > and put their "coolant" (distilled water with some anti-corrosion stuff) > when all the parts arrive and I get everything hooked up. The system ran > normally and kept the hard disk and NB quite cool, though there's no > temperature sensors for either (the NB is usually cool due to the heat > sink I removed, so I don't know how warm it really gets. The HD usually > gets quite toasty when running, but the goo stuff and the cooler block > seem to work quite well.). > > After doing all the testing, I noticed the small leak and the cracked > connector. Now the epoxy's setting and the parts I need to make it work > with my CPU have been ordered. > > All in all, it looks to be a pretty good system, with the exception of > this cracked part. I wish they used metal connectors as opposed to > plastic, but I guess it saves money. > > I do, however, have one technical question: Why would using regular tap > water in the mechanism not be suitable? They claim it would cause > corrosion, but I've had electric pumps and motors for my tropical fish > tank run for 5+ years without any problems, and that's with fish-goo in > the water too. I don't see how clean tap water would have any effect on > aluminum (which, I believe, doesn't corrode, though I may be wrong) or > the waterproofed electric pumps in the system. Anyone know the answer? > Use distilled water to eliminate the calcium deposits and other chemicals that result from hard water factors. From ric.gates at bigsleep.org Thu Feb 3 19:44:20 2005 From: ric.gates at bigsleep.org (Blammo) Date: Thu Feb 3 14:45:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Water-cooling, take one. References: Message-ID: On 03 Feb 2005 Pete Stephenson entered spamcop.geeks and left news:pete+usenet-6482DF.00561803022005@news.cesmail.net: > My Koolance Exos arrived today, which is a plus. I hooked up as much as > I could, but had the following problems: > I've seen a cooling system that uses extremely tiny tubes and so very little water, and I believe it needs no pump. I wish I could remember what it was called. What are you using for case cooling, and are you filtering the air? -- | Ric | From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Feb 3 19:18:00 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Thu Feb 3 19:35:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Maint window 2/4/2005 Message-ID: The system will be in maintenance mode for some hardware changes tomorrow at about 2PM PST. The maintenance is to address the outages of the last 48 hours that you may have noticed. The maintenance should take under an hour. This will affect only the reporting system and not the email system. Ellen SpamCop followups to spamcop Please propagate to the appropriate forums. From driehuis.fcnzpbc2005 at playbeing.com Fri Feb 4 05:04:09 2005 From: driehuis.fcnzpbc2005 at playbeing.com (Bert Driehuis) Date: Thu Feb 3 23:05:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Water-cooling, take one. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Pete Stephenson wrote: > It's not under warranty (the joys of buying "new in box" from > eBay -- I'm sure the original seller didn't know about that problem; the > whole system was brand-new, still sealed in the original box. Hmmm, Have you tried a warranty claim? Many vendors will honor it even if you're not the original purchaser for a variety fo reasons (state law may preempt their conditions, or the vendor just wants to keep a good reputation). > Contrary to the > instructions, I filled it with tap water (though I'll drain the system > and put their "coolant" (distilled water with some anti-corrosion stuff) > when all the parts arrive and I get everything hooked up. [...] > I do, however, have one technical question: Why would using regular tap > water in the mechanism not be suitable? They claim it would cause > corrosion, but I've had electric pumps and motors for my tropical fish > tank run for 5+ years without any problems, and that's with fish-goo in > the water too. I don't see how clean tap water would have any effect on > aluminum (which, I believe, doesn't corrode, though I may be wrong) or > the waterproofed electric pumps in the system. Anyone know the answer? First, aluminum is quite prone to corrosion. So much so that railroad tracks can be welded by sticking aluminum powder between two bits of rusty steel. The heat generated by the transfer of oxygen molecules from the steel to the aluminum will melt the steel. Google says to read here: http://www.aarc.com.au/aarc/info/factsheets/rail_welding.htm Second, tap water not only has calcium and other minerals that will form deposits, it is also corrosive because it's not PH neutral. Google evidence left as an exercise to the reader. Put the two together and you know why they have a specially formulated coolant. Oh, and number three: they tested their coolant for compatibility. Got an old discarded PC? Take out the aluminum CPU cooler and put it in an aquarium for a week. You'll likely find it back with a white "rash" and corroded pits in it. It won't look pretty. And neither will your fish, probably. From skiwi at spamcop.net Thu Feb 3 20:43:28 2005 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (sk1w1) Date: Thu Feb 3 23:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Installer / ininstaller not working for some software Message-ID: Hey Guys and Girls, Hey - seeking input on (personal) Windows XP uninstall / install issue/s - as personal, no hurry or indeed 'obligation' of course! :-) For certain pieces of software (in this case Tivo Desktop 1.3), I get now get the errors below when I try to uninstall (or reinstall over top) some software... but not all... "The Windows Installer Service could not be accessed. This can occur if you are running Windows in safe mode, or if the Window Installer is not correctly installed..." (I am trying to install v2.0 for the ToGo feature but need to get rid of 1.3 first! :-) ) I tried the ubiquitous restart, turned of the AV and SpyBot checkers, etc - no luck... I think it started when I tried to install MSDE locally to use with ADO.NET (as I don't have SQL Server at home of course!) I found Windows Installer 3 at the MS site and tried to reinstall over top - but it said it had been superseded by XP SP2 and would not install - so I went and got the full SP2 - 266Mb! :-) - and installed this - still no luck... Clean / reformat / reinstall is looking like the only option - but as that would be such a PITA **Any other suggestions?** TIA! :-) Cheers: GREG... From rcarlton at spamcop.net Thu Feb 3 21:22:39 2005 From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton) Date: Fri Feb 4 00:25:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Installer / ininstaller not working for some software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: sk1w1 wrote: > Clean / reformat / reinstall is looking like the only option - but as > that would be such a PITA **Any other suggestions?** TIA! :-) Try this: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;Q315346 From pete+usenet at heypete.com Thu Feb 3 22:07:25 2005 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Fri Feb 4 01:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Water-cooling, take one. References: Message-ID: In article , Bert Driehuis wrote: > Hmmm, Have you tried a warranty claim? Many vendors will honor it even > if you're not the original purchaser for a variety fo reasons (state law > may preempt their conditions, or the vendor just wants to keep a good > reputation). No. The unit itself is over three years old (exceeding their one-year warranty), I'm not the original owner, and I opened the thing. That's three strikes. :) > First, aluminum is quite prone to corrosion. So much so that railroad > tracks can be welded by sticking aluminum powder between two bits of > rusty steel. The heat generated by the transfer of oxygen molecules from > the steel to the aluminum will melt the steel. Google says to read here: > http://www.aarc.com.au/aarc/info/factsheets/rail_welding.htm Hmm. Interesting. I was not aware of that. > Second, tap water not only has calcium and other minerals that will form > deposits, it is also corrosive because it's not PH neutral. Google > evidence left as an exercise to the reader. Hmm. True. > Put the two together and you know why they have a specially formulated > coolant. Oh, and number three: they tested their coolant for compatibility. Well, their coolant is anti-corrosion stuff, blue coloring, and distilled water. Nothing really special, you know? > Got an old discarded PC? Take out the aluminum CPU cooler and put it in > an aquarium for a week. You'll likely find it back with a white "rash" > and corroded pits in it. It won't look pretty. And neither will your > fish, probably. Hmm. I think I'll pass on that. :) -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From ric.gates at bigsleep.org Fri Feb 4 07:19:20 2005 From: ric.gates at bigsleep.org (Blammo) Date: Fri Feb 4 02:20:14 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Water-cooling, take one. References: Message-ID: On 03 Feb 2005 Pete Stephenson entered spamcop.geeks and left news:pete+usenet-8C4DD5.22072503022005@news.cesmail.net: > Well, their coolant is anti-corrosion stuff, blue coloring, and > distilled water. Nothing really special, you know? > I could probably find a better article than this, but... http://www.priorartdatabase.com/IPCOM/000010677/ -- | Ric From pete+usenet at heypete.com Thu Feb 3 23:21:20 2005 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Fri Feb 4 02:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Water-cooling, take one. References: Message-ID: In article , Blammo wrote: > I've seen a cooling system that uses extremely tiny tubes and so very > little water, and I believe it needs no pump. I wish I could remember what > it was called. Hmm. I dunno, I'd prefer to have a pumping mechanism move the water around -- my CPU gets quite hot... > What are you using for case cooling, and are you filtering the air? Without the water cooler, I have a Zalman CPU cooler (big round copper/aluminum thing with gobs of fins and a 120mm fan) and a generic 80mm case fan. There's only one slot for a case fan. No filtering on the air intakes. The case I have is quite crowded (that's what I get for buying a tiny little case), hot, and lacks ventilation. It also doesn't have that much room for all the wires, cables, and coolant tubes. Thus, I've decided to cut my losses. I ordered a new reservoir for the Exos (which will be here soon) so that I can re-sell it on eBay. Obviously I'll test it and ensure it works flawlessly before selling it. I've ordered a full-tower case directly from Koolance with an integrated water cooling system. It should be trivial to move the guts of my current computer into the Koolance case, and it'd provide better air circulation over non-watercooled components like the electronics on the motherboard, the optical drives, etc. -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From ric.gates at bigsleep.org Fri Feb 4 07:28:28 2005 From: ric.gates at bigsleep.org (Blammo) Date: Fri Feb 4 02:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Water-cooling, take one. References: Message-ID: On 03 Feb 2005 Pete Stephenson entered spamcop.geeks and left news:pete+usenet-E802FB.23212003022005@news.cesmail.net: > Without the water cooler, I have a Zalman CPU cooler (big round > copper/aluminum thing with gobs of fins and a 120mm fan) and a generic > 80mm case fan. There's only one slot for a case fan. No filtering on the > air intakes. > I was just wondering because we are playing around with bay fans and slot fans. These have filters on them that can be replaced, so that should help keep dust from collecting on the blades. -- | Ric From pete+usenet at heypete.com Thu Feb 3 23:35:55 2005 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Fri Feb 4 02:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Water-cooling, take one. References: Message-ID: In article , Blammo wrote: > I was just wondering because we are playing around with bay fans and slot > fans. These have filters on them that can be replaced, so that should help > keep dust from collecting on the blades. *shrugs* I'm constantly opening my case to do some tinkering, so I just blast out any dust with one of those compressed-air cans (or even just a soda straw that one can blow through). Not a big deal. Long-term dust accumulation is what kills electronics, not a light bit that's frequently blown off. Once I get the Koolance case here, I might pick up another generic fan of the same type I have (some Made In China fan at CompUSA...it's cheap, moves a fair bit of air, and is pretty quiet...and it HAS NO LEDS. I hate those light-up fans. My computer doesn't need to "bling-bling" to show off. The Athlon64 and GeForce 6600GT do that far better by running Half-Life 2 at 120fps on "high" quality than any blinky lights.) and follow Indigo's advice and have them blow IN to the case rather than suck air out. Already the hottest parts (the CPU, northbridge, hard disk, and graphics card) will be water-cooled, so it's just a matter of cooling regular electronics. Hopefully the reversal of airflow will cause cooler temperatures. We'll see on Monday when all the parts arrive. -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From ric.gates at bigsleep.org Fri Feb 4 08:37:54 2005 From: ric.gates at bigsleep.org (Blammo) Date: Fri Feb 4 03:40:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Water-cooling, take one. References: Message-ID: On 03 Feb 2005 Pete Stephenson entered spamcop.geeks and left news:pete+usenet-090279.23355503022005@news.cesmail.net: > Half-Life 2 Ahh! I hate Steam! And why is there no co-op in that game? But that's another thread over in .games -- | Ric From michael.spamcop at michaellefevre.com Fri Feb 4 18:52:17 2005 From: michael.spamcop at michaellefevre.com (Michael Lefevre) Date: Fri Feb 4 13:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Indi is locked out... References: Message-ID: Spam Reporter wrote: > Rick Carlton wrote: > >> Quit OE. >> >> Rename outbox.dbx to outbox.bad >> >> Relaunch OE. > > Better yet, re-format the hard drive and start over. It's probably a virus > or something. If it was a OE error happening locally, I could understand those bits of advice. Given that the error message posted says: Server Response: '440 Posting not allowed' That clearly indicates that, unless the client is pointing to the wrong server, it's a message produced by the server. It would be rather frustrating if he reformated, started over, and got the same message after many hours of pointless work... -- Michael From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Feb 4 13:50:06 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Feb 4 16:55:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Need Scandisk-type program for Windows XP Message-ID: I know that XP uses Chkdsk, rather than Scandisk, but what if I want to do a full sector-by-sector scan of a hard disk (or a floppy disk) to make sure it's completely undamaged? I know that Scandisk for Windowx 9x did that, but Scandisk won't work in XP. Is there a 3rd party program I can use for this? From TJLWBECGSGWU at spammotel.com Fri Feb 4 23:27:10 2005 From: TJLWBECGSGWU at spammotel.com (Mathew Hendry) Date: Fri Feb 4 18:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need Scandisk-type program for Windows XP References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote in : >I know that XP uses Chkdsk, rather than Scandisk, but what if I want to do a >full sector-by-sector scan of a hard disk (or a floppy disk) to make sure >it's completely undamaged? I know that Scandisk for Windowx 9x did that, >but Scandisk won't work in XP. Is there a 3rd party program I can use for this? chkdsk /r does a full sector scan I think. -- Mat. From SCNews.5.myspamgobbler at spamgourmet.com Fri Feb 4 15:28:08 2005 From: SCNews.5.myspamgobbler at spamgourmet.com (Brian (SnSR)) Date: Fri Feb 4 18:30:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need Scandisk-type program for Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > I know that XP uses Chkdsk, rather than Scandisk, but what if I want to > do a full sector-by-sector scan of a hard disk (or a floppy disk) to > make sure it's completely undamaged? I know that Scandisk for Windowx > 9x did that, but Scandisk won't work in XP. Is there a 3rd party > program I can use for this? Open Windows Explorer and right click on the drive that you want to check. Choose Sharing and Security. Choose the Tools tab and click the button for Error-checking. Check the Scan for and attempt recovery of bad sectors. Brian From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Feb 4 16:38:03 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Feb 4 19:40:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need Scandisk-type program for Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mathew Hendry wrote: > Borgholio wrote in > : > > >>I know that XP uses Chkdsk, rather than Scandisk, but what if I want to do a >>full sector-by-sector scan of a hard disk (or a floppy disk) to make sure >>it's completely undamaged? I know that Scandisk for Windowx 9x did that, >>but Scandisk won't work in XP. Is there a 3rd party program I can use for this? > > > chkdsk /r does a full sector scan I think. > > -- Mat. > Only on the sectors that actually contain data. On a blank disc, for example, it won't do a full scan. From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Feb 4 16:38:43 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Feb 4 19:40:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need Scandisk-type program for Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Brian (SnSR) wrote: > Borgholio wrote: > >> I know that XP uses Chkdsk, rather than Scandisk, but what if I want >> to do a full sector-by-sector scan of a hard disk (or a floppy disk) >> to make sure it's completely undamaged? I know that Scandisk for >> Windowx 9x did that, but Scandisk won't work in XP. Is there a 3rd >> party program I can use for this? > > > Open Windows Explorer and right click on the drive that you want to > check. Choose Sharing and Security. Choose the Tools tab and click the > button for Error-checking. Check the Scan for and attempt recovery of > bad sectors. > > Brian Right but that only scans sectors that contain data. Blank sectors are skipped. From SCNews.5.myspamgobbler at spamgourmet.com Fri Feb 4 17:20:47 2005 From: SCNews.5.myspamgobbler at spamgourmet.com (Brian (SnSR)) Date: Fri Feb 4 20:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need Scandisk-type program for Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > Brian (SnSR) wrote: > >> Borgholio wrote: >> >>> I know that XP uses Chkdsk, rather than Scandisk, but what if I want >>> to do a full sector-by-sector scan of a hard disk (or a floppy disk) >>> to make sure it's completely undamaged? I know that Scandisk for >>> Windowx 9x did that, but Scandisk won't work in XP. Is there a 3rd >>> party program I can use for this? >> >> >> >> Open Windows Explorer and right click on the drive that you want to >> check. Choose Sharing and Security. Choose the Tools tab and click the >> button for Error-checking. Check the Scan for and attempt recovery of >> bad sectors. >> >> Brian > > > Right but that only scans sectors that contain data. Blank sectors are > skipped. I was not aware of this. How do you know this is so? It appeared to perform the same for an unused floppy as for a full one. From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Feb 4 17:27:49 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Feb 4 20:30:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need Scandisk-type program for Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Brian (SnSR) wrote: > Borgholio wrote: > >> Brian (SnSR) wrote: >> >>> Borgholio wrote: >>> >>>> I know that XP uses Chkdsk, rather than Scandisk, but what if I want >>>> to do a full sector-by-sector scan of a hard disk (or a floppy disk) >>>> to make sure it's completely undamaged? I know that Scandisk for >>>> Windowx 9x did that, but Scandisk won't work in XP. Is there a 3rd >>>> party program I can use for this? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Open Windows Explorer and right click on the drive that you want to >>> check. Choose Sharing and Security. Choose the Tools tab and click >>> the button for Error-checking. Check the Scan for and attempt >>> recovery of bad sectors. >>> >>> Brian >> >> >> >> Right but that only scans sectors that contain data. Blank sectors >> are skipped. > > > I was not aware of this. How do you know this is so? It appeared to > perform the same for an unused floppy as for a full one. I remember reading it somewhere...but since that's one of the oldest excuses on the net (hehe) I tried it myself. I ran a Scandisk thorough test on a floppy in a Windows 9x machine...and the scan took a good 15 minutes while it tested every single sector on the disk. I scanned the same floppy in a XP machine using Chkdsk (with the -r switch) and the scan took about 5 seconds. Same goes for hard drives. Scanning a hard drive with Scandisk (thorough test) can take a couple hours on large drives. With XP's Chkdsk, the scan time varies based on how much data is stored on the drive. I took these results to mean that Chkdsk only checks the parts of the drive that actually have data on it. From SCNews.5.myspamgobbler at spamgourmet.com Fri Feb 4 17:42:56 2005 From: SCNews.5.myspamgobbler at spamgourmet.com (Brian (SnSR)) Date: Fri Feb 4 20:45:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need Scandisk-type program for Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > Brian (SnSR) wrote: > >> Borgholio wrote: >> >>> Brian (SnSR) wrote: >>> >>>> Borgholio wrote: >>>> >>>>> I know that XP uses Chkdsk, rather than Scandisk, but what if I >>>>> want to do a full sector-by-sector scan of a hard disk (or a floppy >>>>> disk) to make sure it's completely undamaged? I know that Scandisk >>>>> for Windowx 9x did that, but Scandisk won't work in XP. Is there a >>>>> 3rd party program I can use for this? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Open Windows Explorer and right click on the drive that you want to >>>> check. Choose Sharing and Security. Choose the Tools tab and click >>>> the button for Error-checking. Check the Scan for and attempt >>>> recovery of bad sectors. >>>> >>>> Brian >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Right but that only scans sectors that contain data. Blank sectors >>> are skipped. >> >> >> >> I was not aware of this. How do you know this is so? It appeared to >> perform the same for an unused floppy as for a full one. > > > I remember reading it somewhere...but since that's one of the oldest > excuses on the net (hehe) I tried it myself. I ran a Scandisk thorough > test on a floppy in a Windows 9x machine...and the scan took a good 15 > minutes while it tested every single sector on the disk. I scanned the > same floppy in a XP machine using Chkdsk (with the -r switch) and the > scan took about 5 seconds. Same goes for hard drives. Scanning a hard > drive with Scandisk (thorough test) can take a couple hours on large > drives. With XP's Chkdsk, the scan time varies based on how much data > is stored on the drive. I took these results to mean that Chkdsk only > checks the parts of the drive that actually have data on it. I'm glad I asked. Otherwise I may have carried the same misconception along. It will take longer on a used disk because it also performs other functions. Maybe it is much faster on newer computers because newer computers are much faster. From TJLWBECGSGWU at spammotel.com Sat Feb 5 01:55:07 2005 From: TJLWBECGSGWU at spammotel.com (Mathew Hendry) Date: Fri Feb 4 21:00:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need Scandisk-type program for Windows XP References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote in : >Mathew Hendry wrote: > >> chkdsk /r does a full sector scan I think. > >Only on the sectors that actually contain data. On a blank disc, for >example, it won't do a full scan. It appears to here. I don't have an absolutely empty disc to check with, but on a mostly empty NTFS partition, I gave up waiting for it at the final "CHKDSK is verifying free space" stage. Watching with diskmon (http://www.sysinternals.com) it looks like it was reading through all the the sectors in 128 sector chunks. However, an exhaustive check should write various different patterns to each sector, and read them back uncached, much like memtest86 does for memory. I remember using a DOS program called SpinRite years ago that did this, and it looks like it's still around http://www.grc.com/sr/spinrite.htm DOS only though... -- Mat. From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Feb 4 17:57:15 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Feb 4 21:00:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need Scandisk-type program for Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Brian (SnSR) wrote: > Borgholio wrote: > >> Brian (SnSR) wrote: >> >>> Borgholio wrote: >>> >>>> Brian (SnSR) wrote: >>>> >>>>> Borgholio wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I know that XP uses Chkdsk, rather than Scandisk, but what if I >>>>>> want to do a full sector-by-sector scan of a hard disk (or a >>>>>> floppy disk) to make sure it's completely undamaged? I know that >>>>>> Scandisk for Windowx 9x did that, but Scandisk won't work in XP. >>>>>> Is there a 3rd party program I can use for this? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Open Windows Explorer and right click on the drive that you want to >>>>> check. Choose Sharing and Security. Choose the Tools tab and click >>>>> the button for Error-checking. Check the Scan for and attempt >>>>> recovery of bad sectors. >>>>> >>>>> Brian >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Right but that only scans sectors that contain data. Blank sectors >>>> are skipped. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I was not aware of this. How do you know this is so? It appeared to >>> perform the same for an unused floppy as for a full one. >> >> >> >> I remember reading it somewhere...but since that's one of the oldest >> excuses on the net (hehe) I tried it myself. I ran a Scandisk >> thorough test on a floppy in a Windows 9x machine...and the scan took >> a good 15 minutes while it tested every single sector on the disk. I >> scanned the same floppy in a XP machine using Chkdsk (with the -r >> switch) and the scan took about 5 seconds. Same goes for hard >> drives. Scanning a hard drive with Scandisk (thorough test) can take >> a couple hours on large drives. With XP's Chkdsk, the scan time >> varies based on how much data is stored on the drive. I took these >> results to mean that Chkdsk only checks the parts of the drive that >> actually have data on it. > > > I'm glad I asked. Otherwise I may have carried the same misconception > along. It will take longer on a used disk because it also performs other > functions. Maybe it is much faster on newer computers because newer > computers are much faster. I wasn't referring to the entire scan, simply the part where it scans for disk errors. From ric.gates at bigsleep.org Sat Feb 5 03:47:18 2005 From: ric.gates at bigsleep.org (Blammo) Date: Fri Feb 4 22:50:27 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need Scandisk-type program for Windows XP References: Message-ID: On 04 Feb 2005 Borgholio entered spamcop.geeks and left news:cu0qme$ivk$1@news.spamcop.net: > I know that XP uses Chkdsk, rather than Scandisk, but what if I want > to do a full sector-by-sector scan of a hard disk (or a floppy disk) > to make sure it's completely undamaged? I know that Scandisk for > Windowx 9x did that, but Scandisk won't work in XP. Is there a 3rd > party program I can use for this? I tried this program once on Win98 and I thought it was a really great program. It actually is a defragmenter, but I believe it will also do a full scan. http://goldenbow.com/VoptXP.htm Unfortunately it is not free, but probably a 30-day or limited, which is why I stopped using it. -- | Ric | From pete+usenet at heypete.com Fri Feb 4 22:11:42 2005 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Sat Feb 5 01:15:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Water-cooling, take one. References: Message-ID: In article , Blammo wrote: > Ahh! I hate Steam! And why is there no co-op in that game? > But that's another thread over in .games I'm actually a big fan of Steam. It's clean, simple, performs well, keeps track of updates, etc. If Valve were ever to go under, they'd likely release some sort of modification over Steam that would remove the must-use-Steam part of the code so people could play them after they were gone. The lack of co-op is sort of annoying, but otherwise I really like the game. Graphics are incredible. -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From joegill at removethis Sat Feb 5 13:13:55 2005 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Sat Feb 5 13:15:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need Scandisk-type program for Windows XP References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:cu0qme$ivk$1@news.spamcop.net... > I know that XP uses Chkdsk, rather than Scandisk, but what if I want to do a > full sector-by-sector scan of a hard disk (or a floppy disk) to make sure > it's completely undamaged? I know that Scandisk for Windowx 9x did that, > but Scandisk won't work in XP. Is there a 3rd party program I can use for this? I usually run with CHKDSK /F which forces a reboot (actually doesn't FORCE,but tell you it will do it next time,...) An alternative for SOME people is to check with your drive manufacturer website! Maxtor has a GREAT utility that create a diskette ... The utility has various levels from sampling (very quick) to full surface scan and certification (took about 2 hours on a 40G drive). This utility is not for the person who quickly flies over the keyboard... In a few keystrokes you can 'toast' your hard drive! Also, it only works on their drives, or drives of companies they bought. From joegill at removethis Sat Feb 5 13:19:06 2005 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Sat Feb 5 13:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Are you running a GENUINE copy of WINDOWS? References: Message-ID: "Bert Driehuis" wrote in message news:ctmmlv$efb$1@news.spamcop.net... > Joe Gill wrote: > A small housekeeping remark: PLEASE, STOP SHOUTING ALL THE TIME. > Apologies for shouting. One again,,, me dumb.... I knew that all caps in a paragraph or entire post was shouting......... I was just using all caps for particular words oare phrase in the absence of boldfacing... Me dumb... back in my hole... Keep repeating to self "Format is everything... " From joegill at removethis Sat Feb 5 13:20:19 2005 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Sat Feb 5 13:20:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Are you running a GENUINE copy of WINDOWS? References: Message-ID: "User" wrote in message news:cto1d4$g4g$1@news.spamcop.net... > On 01.02.2005 01:57, Pete Stephenson wrote: > > --- Original Message --- > > > In article , > > Bert Driehuis wrote: > > > >> My principles prevent me from running illegal software, so I paid > >> retail for my Win2K and XP licenses so that both my PC's are legal > >> (the previous owner of my laptop already paid for XP, but the license > >> is not transferrable as you know, so he can no longer use the license > >> he paid for and neither can I -- is there anything wrong with that > >> picture?). > > > > Yikes. I paid for the "academic" version of WinXP Professional at my > > college bookstore. In the retail box, it was $100. In a little sleeve > > with the product ID on the pack with a pamphlet describing the Microsoft > > education license (yes, it's legal) was only $60. I forked over the $60. > > > > Sometimes being a student has its advantages. :) > > > > Sometimes being young enough to be a student has its advantages. One slight disadvantage IIRC.. Educational licenses are (were) not upgradeable! From nobody at nowhere.invalid Sat Feb 5 20:08:03 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Sat Feb 5 14:10:28 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Are you running a GENUINE copy of WINDOWS? References: Message-ID: On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:19:06 -0500, Joe Gill coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > I was just using all caps for particular words oare phrase in the absence of > boldfacing... People will interpret something as being boldface (and some newsreaders will display it as such) if it's surrounded by *asterisks* The same applies for /italics/ and _underlined_ -- Steve Stupidity is NOT a handicap. Park elsewhere! From borgholio at storymind.com Sat Feb 5 13:54:10 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sat Feb 5 16:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need Scandisk-type program for Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joe Gill wrote: > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:cu0qme$ivk$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>I know that XP uses Chkdsk, rather than Scandisk, but what if I want to do > > a > >>full sector-by-sector scan of a hard disk (or a floppy disk) to make sure >>it's completely undamaged? I know that Scandisk for Windowx 9x did that, >>but Scandisk won't work in XP. Is there a 3rd party program I can use for > > this? > > I usually run with CHKDSK /F which forces a reboot (actually doesn't > FORCE,but tell you it will do it next time,...) > > An alternative for SOME people is to check with your drive manufacturer > website! > Maxtor has a GREAT utility that create a diskette ... The utility has > various levels from sampling (very quick) to full surface scan and > certification (took about 2 hours on a 40G drive). This utility is not for > the person who quickly flies over the keyboard... In a few keystrokes you > can 'toast' your hard drive! Also, it only works on their drives, or > drives of companies they bought. > > Thx, but I need something that can check floppies as well. From ric.gates at bigsleep.org Sat Feb 5 23:43:25 2005 From: ric.gates at bigsleep.org (Blammo) Date: Sat Feb 5 18:45:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Water-cooling, take one. References: Message-ID: On 04 Feb 2005 Pete Stephenson entered spamcop.geeks and left news:pete+usenet-08EF35.22114204022005@news.cesmail.net: > I'm actually a big fan of Steam. It's clean, simple, performs well, > keeps track of updates, etc. If Valve were ever to go under, they'd > likely release some sort of modification over Steam that would remove > the must-use-Steam part of the code so people could play them after they > were gone. > I don't like having to install and register Steam if you have the CDs. I don't like it not asking if you want to start it with Windows. At least you can disable that, but of course you have to go search for that option. Otherwise it's very cool, and there likely is a crack for it somewhere, would be nice to be able to play the game without it logging you in and checking for updates. > The lack of co-op is sort of annoying, but otherwise I really like the > game. Graphics are incredible. > Yes. But like the idiot I am, I'm still waiting for Duke 4-ever, after Duke other FPS games bore me after awhile. BTW, one game that will really make your temperature rise, I believe, is Painkiller. -- | Ric | From skiwi at spamcop.net Sat Feb 5 22:35:23 2005 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (sk1w1) Date: Sun Feb 6 01:40:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Installer / ininstaller not working for some software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rick Carlton wrote: > sk1w1 wrote: > >> Clean / reformat / reinstall is looking like the only option - but as >> that would be such a PITA **Any other suggestions?** TIA! :-) > > > Try this: > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;Q315346 Thanks Rick - now maybe I should have found that myself, but..... :-) Didn't work though I am afraid for trying to uninstall TiVo Desktop 1.3, same message (although others now seem good...) so I am *trying* to get some support from TiVo - "good luck", you say? :-) Hmmmm..... From asterix at no_where.net Sun Feb 6 09:15:53 2005 From: asterix at no_where.net (Asterix) Date: Sun Feb 6 03:20:21 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need Scandisk-type program for Windows XP References: Message-ID: <1grk1ph.1390m741g34ai6N%asterix@no_where.net> Borgholio wrote: > Thx, but I need something that can check floppies as well. Norton Disk Doctor ? -- I recommend Macs to my friends, and Intel machines to those whom I don't mind billing by the hour From borgholio at storymind.com Sun Feb 6 01:03:36 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sun Feb 6 04:05:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need Scandisk-type program for Windows XP In-Reply-To: <1grk1ph.1390m741g34ai6N%asterix@no_where.net> References: <1grk1ph.1390m741g34ai6N%asterix@no_where.net> Message-ID: Asterix wrote: > Borgholio wrote: > > >>Thx, but I need something that can check floppies as well. > > > Norton Disk Doctor ? > I refuse to buy Norton products due to the product activation crap. Maybe an older version on Ebay would work.... From notgiven at nodomain.net Sun Feb 6 08:21:05 2005 From: notgiven at nodomain.net (C. S.) Date: Sun Feb 6 08:25:23 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need Scandisk-type program for Windows XP References: <1grk1ph.1390m741g34ai6N%asterix@no_where.net> Message-ID: <8g5c011gelta5m7l2cr4tflljvurf1lfks@4ax.com> Sometime around Sun, 06 Feb 2005 01:03:36 -0800, Borgholio deemed it necessary to offer: > Asterix wrote: > > Borgholio wrote: > > > > > >>Thx, but I need something that can check floppies as well. > > > > > > Norton Disk Doctor ? > > > > I refuse to buy Norton products due to the product activation crap. Maybe > an older version on Ebay would work.... Activation aside, the hackshops of Symantec/Norton have been creating timebombs for several years now. There are a plethora of excellent alternatives to most of their stuff, which do not worm their way into every conceivable system file and registry hive, thus making an actual uninstall painful, messy, detrimental and problematic at best. With the rantings out of the way, have you given a look into any of Sysinternals' great little stand-alone utilities? {http://www.sysinternals.com} Most is freeware. I'll be the first to admit that I don't readily grasp the purpose of several offerings, so perhaps something there will fit the bill? From borgholio at storymind.com Sun Feb 6 10:51:49 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sun Feb 6 13:55:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need Scandisk-type program for Windows XP In-Reply-To: <8g5c011gelta5m7l2cr4tflljvurf1lfks@4ax.com> References: <1grk1ph.1390m741g34ai6N%asterix@no_where.net> <8g5c011gelta5m7l2cr4tflljvurf1lfks@4ax.com> Message-ID: C. S. wrote: > Sometime around Sun, 06 Feb 2005 01:03:36 -0800, Borgholio > deemed it necessary to offer: > > >>Asterix wrote: >> >>>Borgholio wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Thx, but I need something that can check floppies as well. >>> >>> >>>Norton Disk Doctor ? >>> >> >>I refuse to buy Norton products due to the product activation crap. Maybe >>an older version on Ebay would work.... > > > > Activation aside, the hackshops of Symantec/Norton have > been creating timebombs for several years now. > There are a plethora of excellent alternatives to > most of their stuff, which do not worm their way into every > conceivable system file and registry hive, thus making > an actual uninstall painful, messy, detrimental and > problematic at best. > > > With the rantings out of the way, have you given a look > into any of Sysinternals' great little stand-alone utilities? > {http://www.sysinternals.com} > Most is freeware. I'll be the first to admit that I don't readily > grasp the purpose of several offerings, so perhaps > something there will fit the bill? Thx for the link, but nothing was quite what I'm looking for. I'm simply looking for a way to scan hard disks (and floppy disks) for errors with the same level of thoroughness that Scandisk for Windows 98 used to. From driehuis.fcnzpbc2005 at playbeing.com Mon Feb 7 04:00:05 2005 From: driehuis.fcnzpbc2005 at playbeing.com (Bert Driehuis) Date: Sun Feb 6 22:05:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need Scandisk-type program for Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > I know that XP uses Chkdsk, rather than Scandisk, but what if I want to > do a full sector-by-sector scan of a hard disk (or a floppy disk) to > make sure it's completely undamaged? I know that Scandisk for Windowx > 9x did that, but Scandisk won't work in XP. Is there a 3rd party > program I can use for this? SpinRite is still in business: http://www.grc.com/sr/spinrite.htm It's been a while since I used it, but this guy knows what he's doing and he's been doing it for quite a while now... From rcarlton at spamcop.net Sun Feb 6 22:31:49 2005 From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton) Date: Mon Feb 7 01:35:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Installer / ininstaller not working for some software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: sk1w1 wrote: > Didn't work though I am afraid for trying to uninstall TiVo Desktop 1.3, > same message (although others now seem good...) so I am *trying* to get > some support from TiVo - "good luck", you say? :-) Aw man.... this is driving me nuts, and I'm not even you! ;-) Had a couple of ideas/questions... First, what is the error number when you get the "The Windows Installer Service could not be accessed." message? If it's 1619, heere's an article from InstallShield suggesting that a previous - and unfinished - install/uninstall might be the culprit. http://consumer.installshield.com/kb.asp?id=Q110722 Second, could/would you post a few Event Log entries? It's probably the Application Log, rather than the System Log thhat ould be the best informer. Event number and description text. Don't worry, in the end - you can always surgically regedit TD 1.3 out of existence without having to rebuild, though that might mean a loss of some saved files. From borgholio at storymind.com Sun Feb 6 22:38:00 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Mon Feb 7 01:40:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need Scandisk-type program for Windows XP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bert Driehuis wrote: > Borgholio wrote: > >> I know that XP uses Chkdsk, rather than Scandisk, but what if I want >> to do a full sector-by-sector scan of a hard disk (or a floppy disk) >> to make sure it's completely undamaged? I know that Scandisk for >> Windowx 9x did that, but Scandisk won't work in XP. Is there a 3rd >> party program I can use for this? > > > SpinRite is still in business: > http://www.grc.com/sr/spinrite.htm > > It's been a while since I used it, but this guy knows what he's doing > and he's been doing it for quite a while now... Hmm....I'll definitely look into that. It may be easier just to fire up my Windows 98 laptop when I need to scan floppies. From kenbrody at spamcop.net Mon Feb 7 09:31:19 2005 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Mon Feb 7 10:20:28 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Installer / ininstaller not working for some software References: Message-ID: <42077BB7.E5745294@spamcop.net> sk1w1 wrote: > > Hey Guys and Girls, > > Hey - seeking input on (personal) Windows XP uninstall / install issue/s > - as personal, no hurry or indeed 'obligation' of course! :-) > > For certain pieces of software (in this case Tivo Desktop 1.3), I get > now get the errors below when I try to uninstall (or reinstall over top) > some software... but not all... > > "The Windows Installer Service could not be accessed. This can occur > if you are running Windows in safe mode, or if the Window > Installer is not correctly installed..." [...] I had a lovely job a couple of weeks ago... A client brought in a virus-laden system for cleaning. Whatever was on it had taken down the Norton Antivirus software on the system. In fact, it had done such a good job of it that NAV couldn't be reinstalled. The "add/remove software" on the control panel would complain about the wrong version being installed, and would tell me to uninstall it via the "add/ remove software" control panel entry. It even included a "helpful" link to it, which would allow me to get the exact same error again. Trying to reinstall NAV would complain about missing files in the current install, and would tell me once again to go to "add/remove software". So, the installer complains of a corrupted installation, and tells me that I need to uninstall the old one first, and the uninstaller complains of a corrupted installation, and tells me that I need to uninstall it first as well. (I finally managed to get it to reinstall by manually editing the registry to remove all "Norton" and "Symantec" entries. At that point the uninstaller simply said something about not finding the software, should it just remove the entry telling that it was installed. Once that was done, the installer was able to run and reinstall NAV.) -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From SCNews.5.myspamgobbler at spamgourmet.com Mon Feb 7 10:47:18 2005 From: SCNews.5.myspamgobbler at spamgourmet.com (Brian (SnSR)) Date: Mon Feb 7 13:50:33 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: ARRGGGGHHH!!! Goddamn Nero! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > User wrote: > >> On 01.02.2005 20:19, Borgholio wrote: > > >> >> >> Disable any/all AV app(s) running. But the most commmon culprit is MS >> Findfast utility cuz it monitors all disk activity and is a known >> problematic application. The first thing that gets sent to magnetic >> purgatory here is FF after installing Word, Office or whatever. Nero 5/6 >> runs here quite flawlessly. Plextor 712A, XP-Pro, 1gig ram, AMD 3200+. >> > > AV is disabled, Findfast doesn't exist. I hate it too. :) Here's something I picked up about Findfast OFF97: How to Disable the Find Fast Indexer Article ID : 158705 Last Review : November 22, 2000 Revision : 1.0 This article was previously published under Q158705 On this page SUMMARY MORE INFORMATION SUMMARY This article explains how to disable the Find Fast Indexer that is included with Microsoft Office 97. MORE INFORMATION Find Fast Overview The Find Fast Indexer is installed on your computer when you install Microsoft Office 97. Find Fast builds an index to speed up finding documents from the Open dialog box in Microsoft Office programs. When you install Microsoft Office 97, a shortcut called Microsoft Find Fast is automatically added to the StartUp group. This allows Find Fast to run whenever you start the computer. After Find Fast is started, it automatically builds indexes and updates them in the background. If you attempt to disable the Find Fast control panel by simply removing the Microsoft Find Fast shortcut from the StartUp group, the following problems may occur: ? The index files are not removed from the hard disk. The size of these index files depends on the number and size of Microsoft Office documents you store on your computer. ? Microsoft Office programs continue to use the existing index files whenever you click Open on the File menu. When you disable Find Fast by removing its shortcut, the index files are not updated as you create or modify documents. This may prevent you from finding files you want to open, or cause unnecessary delays when you open files. Disabling the Find Fast Indexer The correct way to disable Find Fast requires that you delete the Find Fast index files. To do this, use the following steps: 1. On the Start menu, point to Settings, and then click Control Panel. 2. In the Control Panel window, double-click Find Fast. 3. In the "Index for documents in and below" list, click the first item. 4. On the Index menu, click Delete Index. In the Delete Index dialog box, click OK. When you are prompted whether to delete the index, Click OK. 5. Repeat steps 3 and 4 until no more indices are listed. 6. On the Index menu, click Close And Stop. Then, click OK to stop Find Fast. 7. Then, do either of the following:? Remove the Microsoft Find Fast shortcut from the StartUp folder (typically in the Windows folder in the Start Menu\Programs folder). -or- ? Run the Microsoft Office 97 Setup program in maintenance mode, and remove Find Fast. To re-enable Find Fast, do either of the following: ? Add the shortcut for Microsoft Find Fast back into the StartUp folder. The default command line for the shortcut is the following: C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\FINDFAST.EXE -or- ? Run the Microsoft Office 97 Setup program, and reinstall Find Fast. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ric.gates at bigsleep.org Mon Feb 7 22:20:29 2005 From: ric.gates at bigsleep.org (Blammo) Date: Mon Feb 7 17:25:15 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: ARRGGGGHHH!!! Goddamn Nero! References: Message-ID: On 07 Feb 2005 Brian (SnSR) entered spamcop.geeks and left news:cu8d44$cbj$1@news.spamcop.net: > If you attempt to disable the Find Fast control panel by simply removing > the Microsoft Find Fast shortcut from the StartUp group, the following > problems may occur: • The index files are not removed from the hard > disk. The size of these index files depends on the number and size of > Microsoft Office documents you store on your computer. > Remove that, and the Office Startup, from StartUp before rebooting. Few programs put anything in StartUp anymore, but you can check the registry before rebooting, any program that asks to reboot, or tries to force a reboot is probably hiding something there. -- | Ric | From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon Feb 7 22:08:42 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Sofa King Tyred of Lar Ting) Date: Mon Feb 7 22:10:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] SenderBase and zombies Message-ID: Hi there, I'm new to .geeks (been posting geeky questions about zombies in the SC main group for a few days) -- going to try my luck here. I've seen senderbase.org before, but I recently started looking at it from the standpoint of zombie hunting. Couldn't an ISP that wanted to hunt down potential zombie-infected PCs use it? Or do zombies tend to try to keep a low profile? There sure are a lot of cablemodem IP addresses who are identified as sources of spam and on block lists. My own ISP has lots of them: http://www.senderbase.org/?tddNum=20&tddFirst=20&searchBy=ipaddress&searchString=66.130.243.82 Anyway, I've been reading up on traffic analysis, expensive tools, etc. to hunt down zombies. Seems like the data are already there in senderbase.org's web site? What am I missing? I realize that cablemodem IPs are somewhat dynamic, but should be good for a couple of days/weeks... Enough to be proactive, provided zombies show up. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon Feb 7 22:26:59 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Sofa King Tyred of Lar Ting) Date: Mon Feb 7 22:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Spammer per-message prices and costs Message-ID: Excerpt from the following article written by some guys at Microsoft: Goodman, J. T. and R. Rounthwaite (2004). Stopping outgoing spam Proceedings of the 5th ACM conference on Electronic commerce New York, NY, USA ACM Press: 30-39 (apologies for any ligature characters that didn't get replaced in the pasted text) " APPENDIX A. SPAMMER PER MESSAGE PRICES AND COSTS How much must outbound spam cost per message, in order to be a sufficient deterrent to spammers? There are two possible answers to this question: more than the cost of sending spam through other means, e.g. by creating their own domains, buying their own mail servers, etc. The other possible answer is more than they can earn by sending the spam. Unfortunately, it is very hard to get good estimates of either value. We give here a sampling of our (widely varying) estimates of these numbers, derived by analyzing published interviews with spammers (who are not known for their honesty.) There are two ways to analyze spammer costs. The best is to get reports of their actual costs, but this can be diffi- cult. A different technique is to look at what they charge for mailings, which presumably upper bounds their costs, assuming they make a profit (which they apparently do.) The Detroit Free Press reports [17] that Alan Ralsky, a notorious spammer, charges $22,000 to send to his entire database of 250 million addresses, or just about .01 cents per message. In a New York Times interview, (now reformed) spammer Richard Colbert says that he used to charge $900 for one million spams: about .1 cents per message. However, Colbert reports that prices have dropped precipitously recently, as low as $25 per million: .0025 cents per message. An article in the Hartford Courant [12] says that Ronnie Scelson has revenue of $30,000 to $40,000 per 80 million messages, for revenue of as much as .05 cents per message, but is willing to spam for products that bring as little as $1000 per mailing (presumably also to 80 million people), or as little as .00125 cents.) A Wall Street Journal Article says that Howard Carmack earned $360 for sending 10 million messages, or .0036 cents per message. The New Zealand Herald [7] reports that one spammer is paid US$300 per million messages (.03 cents). Based on these figures, there does not appear to be a clear or constant going rate for spam. Indeed, we expect the numbers to change over time. We hope that spam filtering efforts such as our own will be successful. We also hope that well distributed safelists of good senders will become widely used, and will include large ESPs. If very little spam gets through, the spam that does get through will be worth more. And if large ESPs are on safelists, then their spam will get through, making it especially valuable. Based on this analysis, and the numbers here, we need a long term plan that minimally aims to raise the cost of spamming from ESPs to .01 cents, and ideally .05 cents or more. Current account signup costs, which cost at most 2 cents, are far too low to achieve this, assuming complaint rates of 1/200 or less. " 8. REFERENCES [1] M. Abadi, M. Burrows, M. Manasse, and T. Wobber. Moderately hard, memory-bound functions. In Proceedings of the 10th Annual Network and Distributed System Security Symposium, 2003 February. [2] J. Angwin. Hunting ?buffalo?: Elusive spammer sends web service on a long chase. In The Wall Street Journal, May 7 2003. [3] A. Back. Hashcash, May 1997. http://www.cypherspace.org/hashcash/. [4] M. Blum, L. A. von Ahn, J. Langford, and N. Hopper. The CAPTCHA project: Completely automatic public turing test to tell computers and humans apart, November 2000. http://www.captcha.net. [5] C. Dwork, A. Goldberg, and M. Naor. On memory-bound functions for fighting spam, August 2003. [6] C. Dwork and M. Naor. Pricing via processing or combatting junk mail. In Lecture Notes in Computer Science 740 (Proceedings of CRYPTO?92), pages 137?147, 1993. [7] P. Griffin. Spammers remain unrepentant as they make money. In The New Zealand Herald, March 21 2003. [8] Infoworld. What is the worst IT disaster of the last year, July 2003. [9] E. S. Johansson. Camram, 2002. Available at http://www.camram.org. [10] J. Krim. E-mail providers devising ways to stop spam. In The Washington Post, October 30 2003. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/ A38051-2003Oct29.html. [11] MAPS. Mail abuse prevention system realtime blackhole list, 2003. http://mail-abuse.org/rbl/. [12] J. M. Moran. Spam king living high in the bayou. In The Hartford Courant, June 30 2002. http://www.ctnow.com/technology/ hc-sp1scelsonjun30.story. [13] M. Naor. Verification of a human in the loop or identification via the turing test, 1996. Available from http://www.wisdom.weizmann.ac.il/~naor/PAPERS/. [14] OKEAN. Chinese and korean net blocks, 2003. See http://www.okean.com/asianspamblocks.html. [15] S. Olsen. Hotmail restricts outgoing messages. In CNET News.com, March 24 2003. http://news.com.com/2100-1025-993774.html. [16] M. Sahami, S. Dumais, D. Heckerman, and E. Horvitz. A bayesian approach to filtering junk e-mail. In AAAI?98 Workshop on Learning for Text Categorization, July 1998. From skiwi at spamcop.net Mon Feb 7 22:24:26 2005 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (sk1w1) Date: Tue Feb 8 01:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Installer / ininstaller not working for some software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rick Carlton wrote: > sk1w1 wrote: > >> Didn't work though I am afraid for trying to uninstall TiVo Desktop >> 1.3, same message (although others now seem good...) so I am *trying* >> to get some support from TiVo - "good luck", you say? :-) > > > Aw man.... this is driving me nuts, and I'm not even you! ;-) > > Had a couple of ideas/questions... > > First, what is the error number when you get the "The Windows Installer > Service could not be accessed." message? If it's 1619, heere's an > article from InstallShield suggesting that a previous - and unfinished - > install/uninstall might be the culprit. > > http://consumer.installshield.com/kb.asp?id=Q110722 > > > Second, could/would you post a few Event Log entries? > > It's probably the Application Log, rather than the System Log thhat ould > be the best informer. Event number and description text. > > > Don't worry, in the end - you can always surgically regedit TD 1.3 out > of existence without having to rebuild, though that might mean a loss of > some saved files. Rick, thanks for feeling the pain with me! :-) Just FYI, there was no error number posted, either in the main error text or the title bar of same... hmmm... and then I found it was all MSI-based installers - so in the end, after trying ideas from 7 different MS KB articles and numerous other places, I completed a backup to a large firewire external I (fortunately) have (documents and settings mainly), reformat, reinstall - being a laptop, I have it next to me on the couch in front of the fire (it is getting cold here again) and plug in CDs it requires, make use of that DSL at all those updates sites, etc as needed and fill the time in with Bill Bryson's "A Short History of Nearly Everything" - very good BTW! It has been 2 years since I got the laptop (Inspiron 8200) so lots of history and detritus - and my last big install was Visual Studio .NET and I didn't like 100% how clean that was - so WTF, 'Just Do It!' (sic) I got pretty much everything major up now - and will do the small stuff as I need it (MP3 ripper, etc) - only thing that is being finicky is Mozilla - but I have three emails accounts and a bunch of newsgroups under one profile so I am not surprised! Just keep poking at it... Aside - I should have got the full installers before I reformatted (as I did the XP SP2), but in the short times between reconnecting to the Net and getting/installing Adaware / SpyBot so much stuff started hitchhiking, it was amazing! hijackthis.exe is not just a good logger I found, but has some good removal abilities that the two above don't... Anyway, thanks again... From skiwi at spamcop.net Mon Feb 7 22:30:19 2005 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (sk1w1) Date: Tue Feb 8 01:35:18 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Seeking decent (free) MPEG-2 (sic?!) for Media Player 10 andTivoDesktop 2.0... Message-ID: Hey there, I am seeking a decent (free) MPEG-2 (sic?!) for Media Player 10 and TiVo Desktop 2.0 (as they both 'ask' for...) the one that came with the PC (WinDVD's InterVideo 4.0.11.3) is a few years old an d evidently not up to snuff... I have no experiences in these areas... for instance, I thought MPEG-4 was better????? Thanks in advance! GREG... From ric.gates at bigsleep.org Tue Feb 8 10:32:54 2005 From: ric.gates at bigsleep.org (Blammo) Date: Tue Feb 8 05:35:28 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Spammer per-message prices and costs References: