From MikeE at ster.invalid  Sat Jan  1 10:41:36 2005
From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter)
Date: Sat Jan  1 13:45:05 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Remote admin
Message-ID: <cr6qr3$dvv$1@news.spamcop.net>

I have a couple of friends for/with whom my life would be a lot simpler
if I were doing a little remote admin for, rather than the tedium of
listening to a description over the 'phone or email and having to send
instructions and screenshots and such.

What I'm thinking about doing is using VNC as a server on the friends'
machines and the VNC client/viewer on my end.  We are all on cable
modems and I'm on a LAN behind my switch router.  The other two are
straightup to the modem.  There's good documentation and a lot of other
good features to the VNC besides free.

Since there's really no security for the RFB remote frame buffer
communication in 'straight' VNC and I'll be going across the 'net, I'm
figgering that the Kaboodle gizmo on each end is the way to straighten
that out.  I suppose some heavy duty encryption gurus might find
kaboodle lightweight, but this isn't nuclear energy secrets we're
dealing with here.

Those friends are susceptible to ad/spy/mal/ware, and the limit of their
skills seems to be running AdAware and an AV agent.  I need to be able
to take a little looksee from time to time with some more ware, and
then, if they actually need hands on, they'll have to get Geek Patrol in
one place and the other one has already had some help from a local
outfit called Circuit Board.

http://www.realvnc.com/what.html
http://www.kaboodle.org/index.html

-- 
Mike Easter
kibitzer, not SC admin

From joegill at removethis  Sat Jan  1 14:08:19 2005
From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill)
Date: Sat Jan  1 14:10:05 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Remote admin
References: <cr6qr3$dvv$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <cr6sf2$f13$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Mike Easter" <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote in message
news:cr6qr3$dvv$1@news.spamcop.net...
> I have a couple of friends for/with whom my life would be a lot simpler
> if I were doing a little remote admin for, rather than the tedium of
<SNIP>

I know some people are anti-MS when it come to tools, but if all of you are
XP have you look at the built-in tools?
   - Remote Desktop (Also works on NT, 2000)
   - Remote Assistance (Both must be XP)



From joegill at removethis  Sat Jan  1 14:11:14 2005
From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill)
Date: Sat Jan  1 14:15:05 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Remote admin
References: <cr6qr3$dvv$1@news.spamcop.net> <cr6sf2$f13$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <cr6skh$f9a$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Joe Gill" <joegill@removethis@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:cr6sf2$f13$1@news.spamcop.net...
>
> "Mike Easter" <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote in message
> news:cr6qr3$dvv$1@news.spamcop.net...
> > I have a couple of friends for/with whom my life would be a lot simpler
> > if I were doing a little remote admin for, rather than the tedium of
> <SNIP>
>
> I know some people are anti-MS when it come to tools, but if all of you
are
> XP have you look at the built-in tools?
>    - Remote Desktop (Also works on NT, 2000)
>    - Remote Assistance (Both must be XP)
>
>
>

Also you can put "NetMeeting 3.0" and use the "Remote Desktop" feature to
callout to the desktop. I believe there is support for SSL private
certificates.


From MikeE at ster.invalid  Sat Jan  1 11:12:54 2005
From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter)
Date: Sat Jan  1 14:15:07 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Remote admin
References: <cr6qr3$dvv$1@news.spamcop.net> <cr6sf2$f13$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <cr6slp$fa9$1@news.spamcop.net>

Joe Gill wrote:
> "Mike Easter"
>> I have a couple of friends for/with whom my life would be a lot
>> simpler if I were doing a little remote admin for, rather than the
>> tedium of <SNIP> 
> 
> I know some people are anti-MS when it come to tools, but if all of
> you are XP have you look at the built-in tools?
>    - Remote Desktop (Also works on NT, 2000)
>    - Remote Assistance (Both must be XP)

One needing help is XP, the other is W98, as am I 98se.  

-- 
Mike Easter
kibitzer, not SC admin
From MikeE at ster.invalid  Sat Jan  1 11:17:34 2005
From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter)
Date: Sat Jan  1 14:20:02 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Remote admin
References: <cr6qr3$dvv$1@news.spamcop.net> <cr6s0n$elm$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <cr6sug$fgj$1@news.spamcop.net>

Mr K. Mean wrote:
> I would suggest something like VNC through a SSH tunnel, but it seems
> like you are going Windows to Windows, right?  Maybe there is a way
> you can run a SSH server on the host machine though, so that this
> would apply: http://www.uk.research.att.com/archive/vnc/sshvnc.html

There are also some ssh docs and help in the vnc faqomatic
http://faq.gotomyvnc.com/fom-serve/cache/5.html  VNC FAQ-o-Matic :
SSH and Other Step-by-Step How-To's --

That faq also has some other instructions and 'comparisons':

FAQ's, Answers, and How-To's in this category:
Using SSH or OpenSSH
Using PuTTY's SSH on Windows
Using Zebedee
Using Stunnel
Using Kaboodle <snippage below>

> But if you can run a SSH server, the whole tunneling concept is pretty
> cool and you can run a wide variety of protocols though that in
> addition to VNC.


Using Kaboodle
Kaboodle is arguably the easiest VNC-securifier because it
automatically wraps your VNC connections into a secure tunnel
without asking you for any IP addresses or TCP port details.

With Kaboodle, you can also connect two LANs together, and
then connect to *all* of the VNC Servers on the far side,
using the one connection. In this sense, it's sort of a "VNC
Proxy".


-- 
Mike Easter
kibitzer, not SC admin

From TJLWBECGSGWU at spammotel.com  Sat Jan  1 19:32:18 2005
From: TJLWBECGSGWU at spammotel.com (Mathew Hendry)
Date: Sat Jan  1 14:35:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Remote admin
References: <cr6qr3$dvv$1@news.spamcop.net> <cr6sf2$f13$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<cr6slp$fa9$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <optdt01m6ackhlarbvic72b92prvv4aksl@4ax.com>

On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 11:12:54 -0800, "Mike Easter" <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:

>Joe Gill wrote:
>
>> "Mike Easter"
>>> I have a couple of friends for/with whom my life would be a lot
>>> simpler if I were doing a little remote admin for, rather than the
>>> tedium of <SNIP> 
>> 
>> I know some people are anti-MS when it come to tools, but if all of
>> you are XP have you look at the built-in tools?
>>    - Remote Desktop (Also works on NT, 2000)
>>    - Remote Assistance (Both must be XP)
>
>One needing help is XP, the other is W98, as am I 98se.  

Remote Desktop *serving* is also only supported in XP Pro, not XP Home,
though the client will work on pretty much any version of Windows. I'd use
Remote Desktop aka Terminal Services where possible, because it's a lot more
efficient and responsive than VNC. VNC is somewhat painful even on a LAN. :|

As an alternative for the encryption, you might look at the openssl-based
stunnel. Been around a while and very stable. IIRC Remote Desktop encrypts
traffic itself using RC4.

-- Mat.

From MikeE at ster.invalid  Sat Jan  1 12:06:56 2005
From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter)
Date: Sat Jan  1 15:10:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Remote admin
References: <cr6qr3$dvv$1@news.spamcop.net> <cr6s0n$elm$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<cr6sug$fgj$1@news.spamcop.net> <cr6v00$h2n$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <cr6vr3$hh5$1@news.spamcop.net>

Mr K. Mean wrote:
> Oh ok, that sounds interesting.  I hadn't heard of it before.  I might
> have to try it out.  I always connect remotely to my Linux machine
> through SSH and from Windows, it is pretty easy to set up a tunnel
> using the ssh.com client.  I'm used to doing that, they you just
> connect through SSH and then point whatever you want to
> localhost:new_port and it is all pretty transparent from there.  It
> works so I haven't bothered looking for anything else.

One of the nice things about vnc and kaboodle is that they both enable
mixing or interacting the win and linux boxen.  I'm pretty sure I'll
never be 'graduating' to XP, so my routes for 'updating' my old W98se OS
are all currently looking linux.  I wouldn't mind also having a Win2K if
it came along with some box I acquired or if I could find a dynamite
deal for purchasing, but I need to be able to migrate my OSes around
with different hardware and I'm not interested in having to get MS's
permission and license and approval for all of that with XP.

-- 
Mike Easter
kibitzer, not SC admin

From wb8tyw at qsl.network  Sat Jan  1 21:42:52 2005
From: wb8tyw at qsl.network (John E. Malmberg)
Date: Sat Jan  1 21:45:02 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Remote admin
In-Reply-To: <cr6qr3$dvv$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <cr6qr3$dvv$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <cr7n3d$uf3$1@news.spamcop.net>

Mike Easter wrote:
> 
> What I'm thinking about doing is using VNC as a server on the friends'
> machines and the VNC client/viewer on my end.  We are all on cable
> modems and I'm on a LAN behind my switch router.  The other two are
> straightup to the modem.  There's good documentation and a lot of other
> good features to the VNC besides free.

Check the TOS for their cable modems.  Many residential broadband ISP's 
specifically prohibit all servers.

-John
wb8tyw@qsl.network
Personal Opinion Only
From MikeE at ster.invalid  Sat Jan  1 19:16:50 2005
From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter)
Date: Sat Jan  1 22:20:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Remote admin
References: <cr6qr3$dvv$1@news.spamcop.net> <cr7n3d$uf3$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <cr7p12$vpo$1@news.spamcop.net>

John E. Malmberg wrote:
> Check the TOS for their cable modems.  Many residential broadband
> ISP's specifically prohibit all servers.

Well, there's serving and there's serving -- and there are clients and
there are clients.  It wouldn't seem to me that this is a real 'serving'
serving issue.

For example, when I was RR, the RR TOS prohibited serving, eg mail
serving, but the chief tech admin who participated in the RR help groups
sed that lightweight mail serving that didn't generate traffic and was
secure was 'ignored'.

However, the same techadmin was totally against filesharing P2P serving,
because it created significant traffic -- saying nothing of the
copyright issues.  So, his attitude was that if people were going to be
doing p2p filesharing they couldn't be 'sharing' ie serving, they could
only be filehogs and turn off the shares.

This vnc activity would be extremely limited.  Every once in a while we
would hook up and I would drive their box around looking at their screen
and inputting mouse and keyboard activity and maybe print a little
HiJackThis log and then shut back down.


But, you make a point which shouldn't be ignored -- that one should be
aware of, take into account.  That position of RR was a long time ago
and far far away. That particular geographic RR was actually a better
netizen in those days;  that same admin took care of security business
very well in our geographic area.  Now there's no RR security *and* no
serving.  Pretty crazy;  all upside down.

-- 
Mike Easter
kibitzer, not SC admin

From user at domain.invalid  Sat Jan  1 21:35:37 2005
From: user at domain.invalid (User)
Date: Sat Jan  1 22:35:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Remote admin
In-Reply-To: <cr7n3d$uf3$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <cr6qr3$dvv$1@news.spamcop.net> <cr7n3d$uf3$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <cr7q0b$h8$1@news.spamcop.net>

On 01.01.2005 20:42, John E. Malmberg wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

> Mike Easter wrote:
>> 
>> What I'm thinking about doing is using VNC as a server on the friends'
>> machines and the VNC client/viewer on my end.  We are all on cable
>> modems and I'm on a LAN behind my switch router.  The other two are
>> straightup to the modem.  There's good documentation and a lot of other
>> good features to the VNC besides free.
> 
> Check the TOS for their cable modems.  Many residential broadband ISP's 
> specifically prohibit all servers.
> 
> -John
> wb8tyw@qsl.network
> Personal Opinion Only

I've been running VNC for a very long time over the COX HSI Network
without a problem. VNC is not a daemon such as Apache for instance. VNC,
in essence, is like running PCAnywhere.

73 from "5" land !! ;-)
From wb8tyw at qsl.network  Sun Jan  2 00:16:58 2005
From: wb8tyw at qsl.network (John E. Malmberg)
Date: Sun Jan  2 00:20:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Remote admin
In-Reply-To: <cr7p12$vpo$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <cr6qr3$dvv$1@news.spamcop.net> <cr7n3d$uf3$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<cr7p12$vpo$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <cr804a$5j2$1@news.spamcop.net>

Mike Easter wrote:
> John E. Malmberg wrote:
> 
>>Check the TOS for their cable modems.  Many residential broadband
>>ISP's specifically prohibit all servers.
>  
> But, you make a point which shouldn't be ignored -- that one should be
> aware of, take into account.  That position of RR was a long time ago
> and far far away. That particular geographic RR was actually a better
> netizen in those days;  that same admin took care of security business
> very well in our geographic area.  Now there's no RR security *and* no
> serving.  Pretty crazy;  all upside down.

A security person that used to post from an rr.com address is now 
posting from an Adelphia.com address.

One sigificant side effect was getting some DNSbls implenemented on the 
incoming mail servers, and this has significanly cut down on the spam 
that was coming in.  Before that time, there up to 45 spams per day that 
made it through their commericial content filter.

The policy of Adelphia appears to be, is that if they find server port 
active on a client machine, the user will get disconnected, and will 
have to pay a signup fee to get reconnected.

Also where I am, they are the only broadband supplier available.

-John
wb8tyw@qsl.network
Personal Opinion Only

From me at privacy.net  Sun Jan  2 00:38:00 2005
From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince)
Date: Sun Jan  2 01:05:09 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Remote admin
References: <cr6qr3$dvv$1@news.spamcop.net> <cr7n3d$uf3$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<cr7q0b$h8$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <cr82r7$7g2$1@news.spamcop.net>


"User" <user@domain.invalid> wrote in message
news:cr7q0b$h8$1@news.spamcop.net...
| On 01.01.2005 20:42, John E. Malmberg wrote:
|
|  --- Original Message ---
|
| > Mike Easter wrote:
| >>
| >> What I'm thinking about doing is using VNC as a server on the friends'
| >> machines and the VNC client/viewer on my end.  We are all on cable
| >> modems and I'm on a LAN behind my switch router.  The other two are
| >> straightup to the modem.  There's good documentation and a lot of other
| >> good features to the VNC besides free.
| >
| > Check the TOS for their cable modems.  Many residential broadband ISP's
| > specifically prohibit all servers.
| >
| > -John
| > wb8tyw@qsl.network
| > Personal Opinion Only
|
| I've been running VNC for a very long time over the COX HSI Network
| without a problem. VNC is not a daemon such as Apache for instance. VNC,
| in essence, is like running PCAnywhere.

Charter (in NC at least) will sell service based on the availability of VNC
for business users.  I've not checked into what they have to say about home
users but I would not expect much complaint if the process is for support
especially if it's 'client' support.


From user at domain.invalid  Sun Jan  2 09:24:01 2005
From: user at domain.invalid (User)
Date: Sun Jan  2 10:25:07 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Remote admin
In-Reply-To: <cr82r7$7g2$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <cr6qr3$dvv$1@news.spamcop.net> <cr7n3d$uf3$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<cr7q0b$h8$1@news.spamcop.net> <cr82r7$7g2$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <cr93gg$qtn$1@news.spamcop.net>

On 01.01.2005 23:38, Frog Prince wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

> "User" <user@domain.invalid> wrote in message
> news:cr7q0b$h8$1@news.spamcop.net...
> | On 01.01.2005 20:42, John E. Malmberg wrote:
> |
> |  --- Original Message ---
> |
> | > Mike Easter wrote:
> | >>
> | >> What I'm thinking about doing is using VNC as a server on the friends'
> | >> machines and the VNC client/viewer on my end.  We are all on cable
> | >> modems and I'm on a LAN behind my switch router.  The other two are
> | >> straightup to the modem.  There's good documentation and a lot of other
> | >> good features to the VNC besides free.
> | >
> | > Check the TOS for their cable modems.  Many residential broadband ISP's
> | > specifically prohibit all servers.
> | >
> | > -John
> | > wb8tyw@qsl.network
> | > Personal Opinion Only
> |
> | I've been running VNC for a very long time over the COX HSI Network
> | without a problem. VNC is not a daemon such as Apache for instance. VNC,
> | in essence, is like running PCAnywhere.
> 
> Charter (in NC at least) will sell service based on the availability of VNC
> for business users.  I've not checked into what they have to say about home
> users but I would not expect much complaint if the process is for support
> especially if it's 'client' support.
> 
> 

It would seem to me to be advantageous to end the discussion(s) by
simply inquiring of Adelphia, RR, etc. what their policy is regarding
VNC, PCanywhere, etc. and related apps. I mean after all, you're not
broadcasting a connection to the planet like you do from a web server,
etc. I've been using VNC since it's beginning with COX Cable-Modem
access and have literally made 100's of connections without incident.

But don't ask Cox Support as they don't know their collective butts from
a hole in the ground, the very WORST support team imagineable.
From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net  Sun Jan  2 10:58:57 2005
From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Steve Gilder)
Date: Sun Jan  2 11:00:02 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Remote admin
References: <cr6qr3$dvv$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <cr95o3$sc6$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Mike Easter" <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote in message 
news:cr6qr3$dvv$1@news.spamcop.net...
[snip]
>
> Those friends are susceptible to ad/spy/mal/ware, and the limit of their
> skills seems to be running AdAware and an AV agent.  I need to be able
> to take a little looksee from time to time with some more ware, and
> then, if they actually need hands on, they'll have to get Geek Patrol in
> one place and the other one has already had some help from a local
> outfit called Circuit Board.
>
> http://www.realvnc.com/what.html
> http://www.kaboodle.org/index.html
>
> -- 
> Mike Easter
> kibitzer, not SC admin
>
Mike,

I've been using MS Remote Desktop for remote support (XP Pro/98se to Win2K) 
for as long as I've known about it. It works well.

There is a version of Remote Desktop that you can get from MS Downloads for 
98se (FREE!) but I don't know if it will function as a *server*.

I have also experimented with NetMeeting - Remote Desktop from/to XP Pro & 
Home, Win2k, WinNT and 98se and I can tell you it also works. It requires 
the remote (your customer) to allow the client (you) to get in and poke 
around.

Best thing about these - they're free.

Steve


From MikeE at ster.invalid  Sun Jan  2 08:14:25 2005
From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter)
Date: Sun Jan  2 11:15:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Remote admin
References: <cr6qr3$dvv$1@news.spamcop.net> <cr95o3$sc6$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <cr96j0$svg$1@news.spamcop.net>

Steve Gilder wrote:
> I've been using MS Remote Desktop for remote support (XP Pro/98se to
> Win2K) for as long as I've known about it. It works well.
>
> There is a version of Remote Desktop that you can get from MS
> Downloads for 98se (FREE!) but I don't know if it will function as a
> *server*.

Remote Desktop needs to have the host/server [the one being remotely
admin/d] be XP Pro.  The client admin/er can go all the way back to W9x.
In this case, one host is XP Home, and the other is 98.


-- 
Mike Easter
kibitzer, not SC admin

From joegill at removethis  Sun Jan  2 15:48:06 2005
From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill)
Date: Sun Jan  2 15:50:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Remote admin
References: <cr6qr3$dvv$1@news.spamcop.net> <cr95o3$sc6$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<cr96j0$svg$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <cr9mm2$6jl$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Mike Easter" <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote in message
news:cr96j0$svg$1@news.spamcop.net...
> Steve Gilder wrote:
> > I've been using MS Remote Desktop for remote support (XP Pro/98se to
> > Win2K) for as long as I've known about it. It works well.
> >
> > There is a version of Remote Desktop that you can get from MS
> > Downloads for 98se (FREE!) but I don't know if it will function as a
> > *server*.
>
> Remote Desktop needs to have the host/server [the one being remotely
> admin/d] be XP Pro.  The client admin/er can go all the way back to W9x.
> In this case, one host is XP Home, and the other is 98.
>
>
But NetMeeting's Component will work without that requirement.
Netmeeting works on XP and below....
There is no requirement on NetMeeting Client or host to be XP
There is an extra step in the NetMeeting install...


From joegill at removethis  Sun Jan  2 16:40:44 2005
From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill)
Date: Sun Jan  2 16:45:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Remote admin
References: <cr6qr3$dvv$1@news.spamcop.net> <cr95o3$sc6$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<cr96j0$svg$1@news.spamcop.net> <cr9mm2$6jl$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<cr9nbc$6un$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <cr9poo$8kg$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Mr K. Mean" <47p772ok02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:cr9nbc$6un$1@news.spamcop.net...
> Joe Gill wrote:
> >
> > But NetMeeting's Component will work without that requirement.
> > Netmeeting works on XP and below....
> > There is no requirement on NetMeeting Client or host to be XP
> > There is an extra step in the NetMeeting install...
>
> But what do you use as the NetMeeting server then?  We used to use that
> a lot in my company, but they didn't want to maintain the server anymore
> and shut it down.  Do you have a client also running as a server?

I didn't think the 'server' was a requirement, except when you needed to go
after PC's via the 'directory'.
Also, I think you can start NM, without the directory...


From pete+usenet at heypete.com  Sun Jan  2 16:57:59 2005
From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson)
Date: Sun Jan  2 20:00:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Wish me luck!
Message-ID: <pete+usenet-1B79C0.16575902012005@news.cesmail.net>

Today begins what will likely turn into several weeks of swearing, 
screaming, bitching, moaning, hair-pulling, and the like.

My agenda for this week:

1) Install Debian Linux on a second hard disk for my PowerMac G5.
   a. This will be somewhat entertaining, as I'll likely do something 
horribly wrong and end up not being able to boot back into Mac OS X, 
thus being trapped in an incredibly powerful operating system I don't 
fully understand.
   b. Hopefully I'm kidding about a.

2) After #1 is completed, install Debian Linux on my Cobalt RaQ3 
miniserver.
   a. This will be exceptionally entertaining, as it involves flashing 
the BIOS to an unsupported version, thus voiding the already-expired 
warranty. If I mess this up, it'll be "Honey, hand me the soldering 
iron..."
   b. Assuming I can successfully install this, then I will need to 
figure out precisely how to set it up for acting as a server again with 
a similar web-based control panel as the Cobalt system, act as a good 
NTP server, etc. This has been done before by others...but I just know 
that nothing will go as intended. :)

3) Collect the FedEx parcel with all the various PC components for 
building the PC under my desk. I've already picked up and mounted the 
CD-RW/DVD-ROM and 80mm case fan that I got from CompUSA (at *shudder* 
RETAIL PRICES!), so the case is all prepared for the parts. Assembling 
the components shouldn't be terribly difficult, and it may prove 
somewhat easier for tweaking around with the RaQ.

Talk about steep learning curve...

THE MADNESS! WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDRE...er...GEEKS! YES! WHY 
WON'T ANYONE THINK OF THE GEEKS?!

-- 
Pete Stephenson
HeyPete.com
From pete+usenet at heypete.com  Sun Jan  2 18:00:57 2005
From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson)
Date: Sun Jan  2 21:05:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wish me luck!
References: <pete+usenet-1B79C0.16575902012005@news.cesmail.net>
Message-ID: <pete+usenet-36DF24.18005702012005@news.cesmail.net>

In article <pete+usenet-1B79C0.16575902012005@news.cesmail.net>,
 Pete Stephenson <pete+usenet@heypete.com> wrote:

> 1) Install Debian Linux on a second hard disk for my PowerMac G5.

Curses! It would appear that Debian does not yet support the PowerPC G5 
processor and it's 64-bit architecture. This is a Bad Thing(tm).

I guess my plans just got put on hold a bit, until I can build the PC 
and put Windows and Debian on it.

Perhaps having more "generic/standard" hardware would help out a bit, 
though it looks like Debian isn't quite ready for the AMD64 architecture 
either.

Damnit, I just just /have/ to get bleeding-edge high-performance stuff 
like 64-bit PowerPC G5 and 64-bit Athlon64 CPUs. *shakes fist at self*

-- 
Pete Stephenson
HeyPete.com
From MikeE at ster.invalid  Sun Jan  2 18:38:56 2005
From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter)
Date: Sun Jan  2 21:40:02 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wish me luck!
References: <pete+usenet-1B79C0.16575902012005@news.cesmail.net>
	<pete+usenet-36DF24.18005702012005@news.cesmail.net>
Message-ID: <crab5t$jqf$1@news.spamcop.net>

Pete Stephenson wrote:
> Curses! It would appear that Debian does not yet support the PowerPC
> G5 processor and it's 64-bit architecture. This is a Bad Thing(tm).

http://snipurl.com/bqar snurled googlegroups.uk 49 articles starting
from

Newsgroups: linux.debian.ports.powerpc
Subject: debian ppc64
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 00:10:09 +0100
Message-ID: <378fn-3uT-17@gated-at.bofh.it>

news:378fn-3uT-17@gated-at.bofh.it

-- 
Mike Easter
kibitzer, not SC admin

From joegill at removethis  Sun Jan  2 22:21:07 2005
From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill)
Date: Sun Jan  2 22:25:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wish me luck!
References: <pete+usenet-1B79C0.16575902012005@news.cesmail.net>
	<pete+usenet-36DF24.18005702012005@news.cesmail.net>
Message-ID: <cradmt$llg$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Pete Stephenson" <pete+usenet@heypete.com> wrote in message
news:pete+usenet-36DF24.18005702012005@news.cesmail.net...
> In article <pete+usenet-1B79C0.16575902012005@news.cesmail.net>,
>  Pete Stephenson <pete+usenet@heypete.com> wrote:
>
> > 1) Install Debian Linux on a second hard disk for my PowerMac G5.
>
> Curses! It would appear that Debian does not yet support the PowerPC G5
> processor and it's 64-bit architecture. This is a Bad Thing(tm).
>
> I guess my plans just got put on hold a bit, until I can build the PC
> and put Windows and Debian on it.
>
> Perhaps having more "generic/standard" hardware would help out a bit,
> though it looks like Debian isn't quite ready for the AMD64 architecture
> either.
>
not directly answering your question(s) but..
Have you been to...
http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/




From pete+usenet at heypete.com  Sun Jan  2 19:42:58 2005
From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson)
Date: Sun Jan  2 22:45:02 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wish me luck!
References: <pete+usenet-1B79C0.16575902012005@news.cesmail.net>
	<pete+usenet-36DF24.18005702012005@news.cesmail.net>
	<cradmt$llg$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <pete+usenet-DF2A62.19425802012005@news.cesmail.net>

In article <cradmt$llg$1@news.spamcop.net>,
 "Joe Gill" <joegill@removethis@prodigy.net> wrote:

> not directly answering your question(s) but..
> Have you been to...
> http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/

Yes, I have.

http://www.debian.org/ports/ states:

"Ports that haven't been released yet

The following ports never took part in a Debian stable release, but they 
should appear in one, eventually.

[AMD64]

This is a port to the 64 bit AMD64 (Opteron) processors. The goal is to 
support both 32bit- and 64bit-userland on this architecture."

Once it comes out in a stable release, then I'll download it...but right 
now, I'm not terribly interested in testing it out. I've got enough 
troubles as it is. :-P

-- 
Pete Stephenson
HeyPete.com
From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net  Mon Jan  3 08:46:58 2005
From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Steve Gilder)
Date: Mon Jan  3 08:50:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Remote admin
References: <cr6qr3$dvv$1@news.spamcop.net> <cr95o3$sc6$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<cr96j0$svg$1@news.spamcop.net> <cr9mm2$6jl$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<cr9nbc$6un$1@news.spamcop.net> <cr9poo$8kg$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <crbick$c4c$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Joe Gill" <joegill@removethis@prodigy.net> wrote in message 
news:cr9poo$8kg$1@news.spamcop.net...
>
> "Mr K. Mean" <47p772ok02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
> news:cr9nbc$6un$1@news.spamcop.net...
>> Joe Gill wrote:
>> >
>> > But NetMeeting's Component will work without that requirement.
>> > Netmeeting works on XP and below....
>> > There is no requirement on NetMeeting Client or host to be XP
>> > There is an extra step in the NetMeeting install...
>>
>> But what do you use as the NetMeeting server then?  We used to use that
>> a lot in my company, but they didn't want to maintain the server anymore
>> and shut it down.  Do you have a client also running as a server?
>
> I didn't think the 'server' was a requirement, except when you needed to 
> go
> after PC's via the 'directory'.
> Also, I think you can start NM, without the directory...
>
>
NM is a peer-to-peer setup. No server is needed. I'm not sure what *via the 
'directory'* means - DNS or WINS? NM works fine using the IP of the machine 
to be admin/d. 

From avoozl at spamcop.net  Mon Jan  3 06:34:39 2005
From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris F. Willoughby)
Date: Mon Jan  3 09:35:09 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wish me luck!
References: <pete+usenet-1B79C0.16575902012005@news.cesmail.net>
	<pete+usenet-36DF24.18005702012005@news.cesmail.net>
Message-ID: <crbl5p$dg5$1@news.spamcop.net>

Try freebsd :)  That shouldn't be ALL that different from what you are used to..

www.freebsd.org


"Pete Stephenson" <pete+usenet@heypete.com> wrote in message news:pete+usenet-36DF24.18005702012005@news.cesmail.net...
> In article <pete+usenet-1B79C0.16575902012005@news.cesmail.net>,
> Pete Stephenson <pete+usenet@heypete.com> wrote:
> 
>> 1) Install Debian Linux on a second hard disk for my PowerMac G5.
> 
> Curses! It would appear that Debian does not yet support the PowerPC G5 
> processor and it's 64-bit architecture. This is a Bad Thing(tm).
> 
> I guess my plans just got put on hold a bit, until I can build the PC 
> and put Windows and Debian on it.
> 
> Perhaps having more "generic/standard" hardware would help out a bit, 
> though it looks like Debian isn't quite ready for the AMD64 architecture 
> either.
> 
> Damnit, I just just /have/ to get bleeding-edge high-performance stuff 
> like 64-bit PowerPC G5 and 64-bit Athlon64 CPUs. *shakes fist at self*
> 
> -- 
> Pete Stephenson
> HeyPete.com
From joegill at removethis  Mon Jan  3 10:42:39 2005
From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill)
Date: Mon Jan  3 10:45:10 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Remote admin
References: <cr6qr3$dvv$1@news.spamcop.net> <cr95o3$sc6$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<cr96j0$svg$1@news.spamcop.net> <cr9mm2$6jl$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<cr9nbc$6un$1@news.spamcop.net> <cr9poo$8kg$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<crbick$c4c$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <crbp59$fn9$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Steve Gilder" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:crbick$c4c$1@news.spamcop.net...
>
> "Joe Gill" <joegill@removethis@prodigy.net> wrote in message
> news:cr9poo$8kg$1@news.spamcop.net...
> >
> > "Mr K. Mean" <47p772ok02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
> > news:cr9nbc$6un$1@news.spamcop.net...
> >> Joe Gill wrote:
> >> >
> >> > But NetMeeting's Component will work without that requirement.
> >> > Netmeeting works on XP and below....
> >> > There is no requirement on NetMeeting Client or host to be XP
> >> > There is an extra step in the NetMeeting install...
> >>
> >> But what do you use as the NetMeeting server then?  We used to use that
> >> a lot in my company, but they didn't want to maintain the server
anymore
> >> and shut it down.  Do you have a client also running as a server?
> >
> > I didn't think the 'server' was a requirement, except when you needed to
> > go
> > after PC's via the 'directory'.
> > Also, I think you can start NM, without the directory...
> >
> >
> NM is a peer-to-peer setup. No server is needed. I'm not sure what *via
the
> 'directory'* means - DNS or WINS? NM works fine using the IP of the
machine
> to be admin/d.
>
What I mean by 'via the directory' is using an ILS server


From SCNews.5.myspamgobbler at spamgourmet.com  Mon Jan  3 09:38:11 2005
From: SCNews.5.myspamgobbler at spamgourmet.com (Spam N Scams Reporter)
Date: Mon Jan  3 12:40:02 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Newsgroup filter needed
Message-ID: <crbvu6$k54$1@news.spamcop.net>

Thunderbird doesn't have a very good newsgroup filter. Any suggestions 
on what I can use without changing readers? XP Pro doesn't seem to like 
nfilter.

Thanks,
Brian
From baloo at ursine.dyndns.org  Mon Jan  3 09:58:11 2005
From: baloo at ursine.dyndns.org (Paul Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan  3 13:00:11 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Newsgroup filter needed
References: <crbvu6$k54$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <1104775091.992403@ursine.dyndns.org>

Spam N Scams Reporter wrote:

> Thunderbird doesn't have a very good newsgroup filter. Any suggestions
> on what I can use without changing readers? XP Pro doesn't seem to like
> nfilter.

You've eliminated all possible Windows options.

-- 
Paul Johnson
baloo@ursine.dyndns.org
http://ursine.dyndns.org/~baloo/
From user at domain.invalid  Mon Jan  3 12:55:23 2005
From: user at domain.invalid (User)
Date: Mon Jan  3 13:55:08 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Newsgroup filter needed
In-Reply-To: <crbvu6$k54$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <crbvu6$k54$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <crc4ds$ne2$1@news.spamcop.net>

On 03.01.2005 11:38, Spam N Scams Reporter wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

> Thunderbird doesn't have a very good newsgroup filter. Any suggestions 
> on what I can use without changing readers? XP Pro doesn't seem to like 
> nfilter.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brian

"Not a very good newsgroup filter" is rather generic and a little too
generalized.

List a few more details of what you expect in a "filter" and we'll see
what we can come up with.
From gospamming at yourdomain.invalid  Mon Jan  3 18:58:48 2005
From: gospamming at yourdomain.invalid (D.Diaz)
Date: Mon Jan  3 14:00:02 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Newsgroup filter needed
References: <crbvu6$k54$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <Xns95D3CB3F98D7xnddmxn@216.154.195.61>

Spam N Scams Reporter <SCNews.5.myspamgobbler@spamgourmet.com> wrote in 
news:crbvu6$k54$1@news.spamcop.net:

> Thunderbird doesn't have a very good newsgroup filter. Any suggestions 
> on what I can use without changing readers? XP Pro doesn't seem to like 
> nfilter.
> 

You could put a Hamster between your reader and your newsfeed.

http://www.tglsoft.de/misc/hamster_en.htm

-- 
Daniel Diaz
SpamCop User
From SCNews.5.myspamgobbler at spamgourmet.com  Mon Jan  3 11:43:23 2005
From: SCNews.5.myspamgobbler at spamgourmet.com (Spam N Scams Reporter)
Date: Mon Jan  3 14:45:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Newsgroup filter needed
In-Reply-To: <crc4ds$ne2$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <crbvu6$k54$1@news.spamcop.net> <crc4ds$ne2$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <crc78v$plq$1@news.spamcop.net>

User wrote:
> On 03.01.2005 11:38, Spam N Scams Reporter wrote:
> 
>  --- Original Message ---
> 
> 
>>Thunderbird doesn't have a very good newsgroup filter. Any suggestions 
>>on what I can use without changing readers? XP Pro doesn't seem to like 
>>nfilter.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Brian
> 
> 
> "Not a very good newsgroup filter" is rather generic and a little too
> generalized.
> 
> List a few more details of what you expect in a "filter" and we'll see
> what we can come up with.

What I'm looking for specifically is to be able to filter by IP range 
among other things.
From nobody at nowhere.invalid  Mon Jan  3 21:31:32 2005
From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein)
Date: Mon Jan  3 15:35:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Newsgroup filter needed
References: <crbvu6$k54$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <slrnctjat4.lbg.nobody@127.0.0.1>

On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 09:38:11 -0800, Spam N Scams Reporter coughed into
spamcop.geeks and left this in <crbvu6$k54$1@news.spamcop.net>:

> Thunderbird doesn't have a very good newsgroup filter. Any suggestions 
> on what I can use without changing readers? XP Pro doesn't seem to like 
> nfilter.

You could try a news PROVIDER that gives you a clean feed in the first 
place. I've been using SuperNews for a while now and I'm pleased with 
them.

-- 
Steve

If carrots are so good for the eyes, how come I see so many dead rabbits
on the highway?
From nobody at spamcop.net  Mon Jan  3 17:24:27 2005
From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo)
Date: Mon Jan  3 17:25:02 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wish me luck!
References: <pete+usenet-1B79C0.16575902012005@news.cesmail.net>
Message-ID: <crcgms$o1$1@news.spamcop.net>



Pete Stephenson wrote:
 I've already picked up and mounted the
> CD-RW/DVD-ROM and 80mm case fan that I got from CompUSA

Erm....how do you know you mounted the case fan in the right place if you
don't have the MoBo yet? Blowing air into the side of a hard drive or
sumthin' else ain't going to do much good......


From nobody at spamcop.net  Mon Jan  3 17:27:09 2005
From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo)
Date: Mon Jan  3 17:30:11 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Newsgroup filter needed
References: <crbvu6$k54$1@news.spamcop.net> <slrnctjat4.lbg.nobody@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <crcgrt$v6$1@news.spamcop.net>



Steven Maesslein wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 09:38:11 -0800, Spam N Scams Reporter coughed into
> spamcop.geeks and left this in <crbvu6$k54$1@news.spamcop.net>:
>
> > Thunderbird doesn't have a very good newsgroup filter. Any
> > suggestions on what I can use without changing readers? XP Pro
> > doesn't seem to like nfilter.
>
> You could try a news PROVIDER that gives you a clean feed in the first
> place. I've been using SuperNews for a while now and I'm pleased with
> them.

Eh, can you get SuperNews to carry the SC groups and JT to agree? I thought
not......I'm guessing at why S'N'SR wants his filter, of course ;-)


From nobody at nowhere.invalid  Mon Jan  3 23:40:41 2005
From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein)
Date: Mon Jan  3 17:45:22 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Newsgroup filter needed
References: <crbvu6$k54$1@news.spamcop.net> <slrnctjat4.lbg.nobody@127.0.0.1>
	<crcgrt$v6$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <slrnctjif9.m1v.nobody@127.0.0.1>

On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:27:09 -0500, indigo coughed into spamcop.geeks and
left this in <crcgrt$v6$1@news.spamcop.net>:

> Eh, can you get SuperNews to carry the SC groups and JT to agree? I thought
> not......I'm guessing at why S'N'SR wants his filter, of course ;-)

Good point.

I was working on the assumption that the SC froups aren't the only ones
on USENET (in fact they aren't on USENET at all). Of course, if the
original problem is the shenanigans currently going on in another froup
(that I don't follow) then the SuperNews "solution" is worthless.

-- 
Steve

Your fault: core dumped
From nobody at nowhere.invalid  Mon Jan  3 23:42:00 2005
From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein)
Date: Mon Jan  3 17:45:24 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wish me luck!
References: <pete+usenet-1B79C0.16575902012005@news.cesmail.net>
	<crcgms$o1$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <slrnctjiho.m1v.nobody@127.0.0.1>

On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:24:27 -0500, indigo coughed into spamcop.geeks and
left this in <crcgms$o1$1@news.spamcop.net>:

> Erm....how do you know you mounted the case fan in the right place if you
> don't have the MoBo yet? Blowing air into the side of a hard drive or
> sumthin' else ain't going to do much good......

It could do some good for the hard drive. Some of them critters get 
quite hot. :)

-- 
Steve

unix soit qui mal y pense
From nobody at spamcop.net  Mon Jan  3 17:47:05 2005
From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo)
Date: Mon Jan  3 17:50:05 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wish me luck!
References: <pete+usenet-1B79C0.16575902012005@news.cesmail.net>
	<crcgms$o1$1@news.spamcop.net> <slrnctjiho.m1v.nobody@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <crci19$28n$1@news.spamcop.net>



Steven Maesslein wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:24:27 -0500, indigo coughed into spamcop.geeks
> and left this in <crcgms$o1$1@news.spamcop.net>:
>
> > Erm....how do you know you mounted the case fan in the right place
> > if you don't have the MoBo yet? Blowing air into the side of a hard
> > drive or sumthin' else ain't going to do much good......
>
> It could do some good for the hard drive. Some of them critters get
> quite hot. :)

Heh. He bought an AMD [1] chip, maybe he needs a second fan then ;-)

[1] I quite like AMD chips for cost vs. performance reasons, but they can
fry in an instant.


From nobody at spamcop.net  Mon Jan  3 17:48:59 2005
From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo)
Date: Mon Jan  3 17:50:07 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Newsgroup filter needed
References: <crbvu6$k54$1@news.spamcop.net> <slrnctjat4.lbg.nobody@127.0.0.1>
	<crcgrt$v6$1@news.spamcop.net> <slrnctjif9.m1v.nobody@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <crci4r$29h$1@news.spamcop.net>



Steven Maesslein wrote:
>
> I was working on the assumption that the SC froups aren't the only
> ones on USENET (in fact they aren't on USENET at all). Of course, if
> the original problem is the shenanigans currently going on in another
> froup (that I don't follow) then the SuperNews "solution" is
> worthless.

I wish Google groups were fed from Supernews, fscking Dipslime has made
NANAE totally worthless via web access.


From user at domain.invalid  Mon Jan  3 17:56:20 2005
From: user at domain.invalid (User)
Date: Mon Jan  3 19:00:08 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Newsgroup filter needed
In-Reply-To: <crc78v$plq$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <crbvu6$k54$1@news.spamcop.net> <crc4ds$ne2$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<crc78v$plq$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <crcm2f$508$1@news.spamcop.net>

On 03.01.2005 13:43, Spam N Scams Reporter wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

> User wrote:
>> On 03.01.2005 11:38, Spam N Scams Reporter wrote:
>> 
>>  --- Original Message ---
>> 
>> 
>>>Thunderbird doesn't have a very good newsgroup filter. Any suggestions 
>>>on what I can use without changing readers? XP Pro doesn't seem to like 
>>>nfilter.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Brian
>> 
>> 
>> "Not a very good newsgroup filter" is rather generic and a little too
>> generalized.
>> 
>> List a few more details of what you expect in a "filter" and we'll see
>> what we can come up with.
> 
> What I'm looking for specifically is to be able to filter by IP range 
> among other things.

Ok, that cannot be done. Enter an RFE (Request for enhancement) bug on
it. That's the only way it will be added, if ever. 50/50 is better than
100% not being added.

Can you filter an IP range in any other app?
From TJLWBECGSGWU at spammotel.com  Tue Jan  4 00:05:56 2005
From: TJLWBECGSGWU at spammotel.com (Mathew Hendry)
Date: Mon Jan  3 19:10:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Newsgroup filter needed
References: <crbvu6$k54$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns95D3CB3F98D7xnddmxn@216.154.195.61>
Message-ID: <p1njt0p7dei4rv293dbqb2tlpgat043bae@4ax.com>

On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:58:48 +0000 (UTC), "D.Diaz"
<gospamming@yourdomain.invalid> wrote:

>Spam N Scams Reporter <SCNews.5.myspamgobbler@spamgourmet.com> wrote in 
>news:crbvu6$k54$1@news.spamcop.net:
>
>> Thunderbird doesn't have a very good newsgroup filter. Any suggestions 
>> on what I can use without changing readers? XP Pro doesn't seem to like 
>> nfilter.
>
>You could put a Hamster between your reader and your newsfeed.
>
>http://www.tglsoft.de/misc/hamster_en.htm

Seconded. Fine little program that one, been running it for years. Haven't
had to mess with filters too much but they seem to be pretty flexible. It
does turn your news access into a two-stage process though, unlike nfilter
which I believe works as a proxy.

-- mat.

From TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com  Tue Jan  4 00:35:16 2005
From: TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com (Rob)
Date: Mon Jan  3 19:40:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Newsgroup filter needed
References: <crbvu6$k54$1@news.spamcop.net> <crc4ds$ne2$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<crc78v$plq$1@news.spamcop.net> <crcm2f$508$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <crcofl$75p$1@news.spamcop.net>


"User" <user@domain.invalid> wrote in message
news:crcm2f$508$1@news.spamcop.net...
> On 03.01.2005 13:43, Spam N Scams Reporter wrote:
>
>  --- Original Message ---
>
> > User wrote:
> >> On 03.01.2005 11:38, Spam N Scams Reporter wrote:
> >>
> >>  --- Original Message ---
> >>
> >>
> >>>Thunderbird doesn't have a very good newsgroup filter. Any suggestions
> >>>on what I can use without changing readers? XP Pro doesn't seem to like
> >>>nfilter.
> >>>
> >>>Thanks,
> >>>Brian
> >>
> >>
> >> "Not a very good newsgroup filter" is rather generic and a little too
> >> generalized.
> >>
> >> List a few more details of what you expect in a "filter" and we'll see
> >> what we can come up with.
> >
> > What I'm looking for specifically is to be able to filter by IP range
> > among other things.
>
> Ok, that cannot be done. Enter an RFE (Request for enhancement) bug on
> it. That's the only way it will be added, if ever. 50/50 is better than
> 100% not being added.
>
> Can you filter an IP range in any other app?

I know of one newseader that may have that ability, XanaNews
http://www.wilsonc.demon.co.uk/d9xananews.htm .  It can filter on To, From,
Subject, Anything in Header (and I really mean anything) and anything in the
body. I'm not sure about filtering on IP range, but, more info can be
gleamed from the XanaNews newsgroups on  talkto.net  It's free and very
flexible.  I must point out that I was having several PC freezes when I
closed it down and then shut down my PC quite some versions back, I blamed
it on XanaNews, but, since then I found out it was due to eight or so
capacitors burned out on my MB.  I haven't fired it up or downloaded the
latest version since new MB so can't exactly say how stable it is, but, I
seemed to be the only person having trouble at that time.  Keep thinking of
giving it another go as I really liked its features.  I originally installed
it when I and others were having a problem with a Troll in another NG who
was impersonating other peoples identities and I had no problem with him
after that.

Rob


From pete+usenet at heypete.com  Mon Jan  3 17:42:37 2005
From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson)
Date: Mon Jan  3 20:45:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wish me luck!
References: <pete+usenet-1B79C0.16575902012005@news.cesmail.net>
	<crcgms$o1$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <pete+usenet-A4B2F3.17423703012005@news.cesmail.net>

In article <crcgms$o1$1@news.spamcop.net>,
 "indigo" <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote:

> Erm....how do you know you mounted the case fan in the right place if you
> don't have the MoBo yet? Blowing air into the side of a hard drive or
> sumthin' else ain't going to do much good......

The 80mm grille in the back of the case (the only one, I might add) 
seems to suggest a logical place for an 80mm case fan. :-P

That said, I'm somewhat irked. I ordered two USB/VGA KVM cables, and 
they sent me one USB/VGA and one PS-2/VGA cable. Called up NewEgg, and 
they're sending me the USB one right away and said I can keep the PS-2 
one.

Also, they didn't include any sort of CPU cooler/heatsink/fan/etc. Just 
a CPU in a little plastic case with some foam to protect the pins. 
Mildly irritating, but oh well.

Everything's wired up, but I'm not turning the thing on until I get that 
CPU fan. *rushes off to CompUSA*

-- 
Pete Stephenson
HeyPete.com
From MikeE at ster.invalid  Mon Jan  3 18:32:08 2005
From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter)
Date: Mon Jan  3 21:35:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Newsgroup filter needed
References: <crbvu6$k54$1@news.spamcop.net> <crc088$k96$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <crcv50$b9t$1@news.spamcop.net>

Mr K. Mean wrote:
> Spam N Scams Reporter wrote:
>>  XP Pro
>> doesn't seem to like nfilter.
>
> Ahh, you noticed that too?  I tried installing it and it said it
> wasn't a valid archive or something.

I'm reading in newsgroups that it does.

<snip>
Message-ID: <herlb.161102$bo1.79738@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
> Has anyone used NFilter with XP Pro?

I use it on XP Home, XP Pro, Win2K and Win2K Advanced Server. All work
fine.
</snip>


-- 
Mike Easter
kibitzer, not SC admin

From SCNews.5.myspamgobbler at spamgourmet.com  Mon Jan  3 19:29:59 2005
From: SCNews.5.myspamgobbler at spamgourmet.com (Spam N Scams Reporter)
Date: Mon Jan  3 22:35:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Newsgroup filter needed
In-Reply-To: <crcgrt$v6$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <crbvu6$k54$1@news.spamcop.net> <slrnctjat4.lbg.nobody@127.0.0.1>
	<crcgrt$v6$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <crd2jr$d97$1@news.spamcop.net>

indigo wrote:
> Steven Maesslein wrote:
> 
>>On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 09:38:11 -0800, Spam N Scams Reporter coughed into
>>spamcop.geeks and left this in <crbvu6$k54$1@news.spamcop.net>:
>>
>>
>>>Thunderbird doesn't have a very good newsgroup filter. Any
>>>suggestions on what I can use without changing readers? XP Pro
>>>doesn't seem to like nfilter.
>>
>>You could try a news PROVIDER that gives you a clean feed in the first
>>place. I've been using SuperNews for a while now and I'm pleased with
>>them.
> 
> 
> Eh, can you get SuperNews to carry the SC groups and JT to agree? I thought
> not......I'm guessing at why S'N'SR wants his filter, of course ;-)
> 
> 

I think you probably guessed right. I was looking for a way to killfile 
a morphing troll.

I've done a bit of investigating on this troll in here and come to find 
out, he doesn't have that many ip addresses that he works from. It 
appears to me that many are from his isp and he just unplugs and grabs a 
new address. I still have a way to go with it.

For those interested, here's a list of those that I'm 100% certain that 
he has used. Also, I have a lot of documentation if anyone is interested 
in seeing it. Email me at 
canceltrolls.with.myspamgobbler@spamgourmet.com :)

I'll be contacting the FBI with this report tomorrow. They owe me a 
favor for something that I did for them awhile. I wouldn't be too 
surprised that they go after this slime. I've got evidence that makes 
this a likely RICO case.

Don't report these addresses yet. They will probably want to set up some 
surveillance. I think that he is gone from here. He won't be able to 
cancel posts anymore and just about everyone is ignoring him.


Shaw Cable - his ISP? This is what I was wanting a filter that could 
take a range for.

24.71.236.46
24.71.236.48
24.71.236.50
24.71.236.107
24.71.236.140
24.71.236.155
24.71.236.191
24.71.237.37
24.71.237.71
24.71.237.73
24.71.237.76
24.71.237.81
24.71.237.91
24.71.237.94
24.71.237.110
24.71.237.124
24.71.237.127
24.71.237.140
24.71.237.147
24.71.237.148
24.71.237.158
24.71.237.195
24.71.237.244
24.71.239.40
24.71.239.59
24.71.239.75
24.71.239.95
24.71.239.112
24.71.239.120
24.71.239.126
24.71.239.169
24.71.239.219

63.164.60.12
85.32.57.194
199.203.54.66
220.134.241.65

There are some others, but these are the main ones that he has used. The 
Shaw Cable is the problematic one.

If anyone wants to help and do a workup on these addresses it would sure 
help. I'm trying to do some other things as well.

Brian
From SCNews.5.myspamgobbler at spamgourmet.com  Mon Jan  3 19:40:09 2005
From: SCNews.5.myspamgobbler at spamgourmet.com (Spam N Scams Reporter)
Date: Mon Jan  3 22:45:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Ping Hey Pete
Message-ID: <crd36s$djf$1@news.spamcop.net>

It appears that you posted a spamcop report about Spam-L. What's up with 
that? 
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/news.admin.net-abuse.sightings/msg/c10e657dbc54f905?dmode=source

Brian
From notspam at alias.hotpop.com  Mon Jan  3 21:32:01 2005
From: notspam at alias.hotpop.com (JV)
Date: Mon Jan  3 23:35:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Remote admin
In-Reply-To: <cr6qr3$dvv$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <cr6qr3$dvv$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <crd67d$fiq$1@news.spamcop.net>

Mike Easter wrote:
> I have a couple of friends for/with whom my life would be a lot simpler
> if I were doing a little remote admin for, rather than the tedium of
> listening to a description over the 'phone or email and having to send
> instructions and screenshots and such.
> 
> What I'm thinking about doing is using VNC as a server on the friends'
> machines and the VNC client/viewer on my end.  We are all on cable
> modems and I'm on a LAN behind my switch router.  The other two are
> straightup to the modem.  There's good documentation and a lot of other
> good features to the VNC besides free.
> 
> Since there's really no security for the RFB remote frame buffer
> communication in 'straight' VNC and I'll be going across the 'net, I'm
> figgering that the Kaboodle gizmo on each end is the way to straighten
> that out.  I suppose some heavy duty encryption gurus might find
> kaboodle lightweight, but this isn't nuclear energy secrets we're
> dealing with here.
> 
> Those friends are susceptible to ad/spy/mal/ware, and the limit of their
> skills seems to be running AdAware and an AV agent.  I need to be able
> to take a little looksee from time to time with some more ware, and
> then, if they actually need hands on, they'll have to get Geek Patrol in
> one place and the other one has already had some help from a local
> outfit called Circuit Board.
> 
> http://www.realvnc.com/what.html
> http://www.kaboodle.org/index.html
> 
Direct dial is by far the only answer these days. We are working 
backward in that area.
From joegill at removethis  Tue Jan  4 00:15:33 2005
From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill)
Date: Tue Jan  4 00:20:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Remote admin
References: <cr6qr3$dvv$1@news.spamcop.net> <cr95o3$sc6$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<cr96j0$svg$1@news.spamcop.net> <cr9mm2$6jl$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<cr9nbc$6un$1@news.spamcop.net> <cr9poo$8kg$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<crbick$c4c$1@news.spamcop.net> <crbp59$fn9$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<crbq04$g9s$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <crd8pj$hn1$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Mr K. Mean" <47p772ok02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:crbq04$g9s$1@news.spamcop.net...
> Joe Gill wrote:
> > "Steve Gilder" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
> > news:crbick$c4c$1@news.spamcop.net...
>
> >>NM is a peer-to-peer setup. No server is needed. I'm not sure what *via
> > the
> >>'directory'* means - DNS or WINS? NM works fine using the IP of the
> > machine
> >>to be admin/d.
> >
> > What I mean by 'via the directory' is using an ILS server
>
> The only way I have used NetMeeting and probably what has confused me is
> we had a central server for the company, like netmeeting.company.com,
> and you logged into that and called people out of the directory there
> and then you could do the desktop sharing and the rest of that after you
> were connected together.
>
> Are you saying that it is enough to know the machine name of who you are
> calling and it will work that way then?  How do you call people without
> the directory?

By IP address....
Or there is supposedly some method via Windows Messenger


From nobody at nowhere.com.INVALID  Mon Jan  3 22:10:05 2005
From: nobody at nowhere.com.INVALID (GregR)
Date: Tue Jan  4 01:15:02 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Newsgroup filter needed
In-Reply-To: <crbvu6$k54$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <crbvu6$k54$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <crdbvv$jjo$1@news.spamcop.net>

Spam N Scams Reporter wrote:

> Thunderbird doesn't have a very good newsgroup filter. Any suggestions 
> on what I can use without changing readers? XP Pro doesn't seem to like 
> nfilter.

I used D-News (http://netwinsite.com/dnews.htm) for a while to filter 
out a couple of Really Annoying People on the .social group, but that 
might be overkill for what you're looking for (it's a full-blown news 
server, so don't dive in unless you're prepared to deal with the 
overhead of setting one up).

It worked great (those two annoying people quickly became non-people 
:-)), but it was kinda slow on a dial-up connection.  If the current 
situation keeps up I may have to resurrect it once I get DSL installed.

-- 

GregR - Another Beemer Biker ...o&o>

I voted for Kerry, it's not my problem.

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful,
and so are we. They never stop thinking about
new ways to harm our country and our people,
and neither do we."

George W. Bush
8/5/04
From nobody at nowhere.invalid  Tue Jan  4 11:32:04 2005
From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein)
Date: Tue Jan  4 05:35:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Newsgroup filter needed
References: <crbvu6$k54$1@news.spamcop.net> <slrnctjat4.lbg.nobody@127.0.0.1>
	<crcgrt$v6$1@news.spamcop.net> <slrnctjif9.m1v.nobody@127.0.0.1>
	<crci4r$29h$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <slrnctks54.t9.nobody@127.0.0.1>

On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:48:59 -0500, indigo coughed into spamcop.geeks and
left this in <crci4r$29h$1@news.spamcop.net>:

> I wish Google groups were fed from Supernews, fscking Dipslime has made
> NANAE totally worthless via web access.

How ever much I hate to say it, I think that Dipslime has succeeded in
making NANAE totally unusable. Not because of the drivel he posts to
that froup but because of the crap he posts to other groups with the
followup set to NANAE, and everyone replying to the crap (and therefore
posting to NANAE) saying "Hey, that wasn't me".

Filtering out the sporgeries themselves is easy enough. Filtering out 
the backscatter is a totally different problem.

-- 
Steve

Your fault: core dumped
From nobody at spamcop.net  Tue Jan  4 10:08:19 2005
From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo)
Date: Tue Jan  4 10:10:09 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Newsgroup filter needed
References: <crbvu6$k54$1@news.spamcop.net> <crc088$k96$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<crcv50$b9t$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <crebh3$6ka$1@news.spamcop.net>



Mike Easter wrote:
> Mr K. Mean wrote:
> > Spam N Scams Reporter wrote:
> >>  XP Pro
> >> doesn't seem to like nfilter.
> >
> > Ahh, you noticed that too?  I tried installing it and it said it
> > wasn't a valid archive or something.
>
> I'm reading in newsgroups that it does.
>
> <snip>
> Message-ID: <herlb.161102$bo1.79738@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
> > Has anyone used NFilter with XP Pro?
>
> I use it on XP Home, XP Pro, Win2K and Win2K Advanced Server. All work
> fine.
> </snip>

I got the same error message when I tried to load it. *shrug*


From nobody at spamcop.net  Tue Jan  4 10:10:25 2005
From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo)
Date: Tue Jan  4 10:15:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Newsgroup filter needed
References: <crbvu6$k54$1@news.spamcop.net> <slrnctjat4.lbg.nobody@127.0.0.1>
	<crcgrt$v6$1@news.spamcop.net> <crd2jr$d97$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <crebl2$6pt$1@news.spamcop.net>



Spam N Scams Reporter wrote:
> I think you probably guessed right. I was looking for a way to
> killfile a morphing troll.
>

I'm psychic that way sometimes ;-)

>
> I'll be contacting the FBI with this report tomorrow. They owe me a
> favor for something that I did for them awhile. I wouldn't be too
> surprised that they go after this slime. I've got evidence that makes
> this a likely RICO case.
>

Erm, why would they bother with something as trivial as this when they don't
even chase after real spammer scammers?


From nobody at spamcop.net  Tue Jan  4 10:12:29 2005
From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo)
Date: Tue Jan  4 10:15:06 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Newsgroup filter needed
References: <crbvu6$k54$1@news.spamcop.net> <slrnctjat4.lbg.nobody@127.0.0.1>
	<crcgrt$v6$1@news.spamcop.net> <slrnctjif9.m1v.nobody@127.0.0.1>
	<crci4r$29h$1@news.spamcop.net> <slrnctks54.t9.nobody@127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <crebot$6qr$1@news.spamcop.net>



Steven Maesslein wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:48:59 -0500, indigo coughed into spamcop.geeks
> and left this in <crci4r$29h$1@news.spamcop.net>:
>
> > I wish Google groups were fed from Supernews, fscking Dipslime has
> > made NANAE totally worthless via web access.
>
> How ever much I hate to say it, I think that Dipslime has succeeded in
> making NANAE totally unusable. Not because of the drivel he posts to
> that froup but because of the crap he posts to other groups with the
> followup set to NANAE, and everyone replying to the crap (and
> therefore posting to NANAE) saying "Hey, that wasn't me".

I agree.

>
> Filtering out the sporgeries themselves is easy enough. Filtering out
> the backscatter is a totally different problem.

I can't believe with all of the talent and resources those folks have over
there that they can't nab Dippy and his kin and get them locked up. Strange,
isn't it?


From nobody at spamcop.net  Tue Jan  4 10:17:58 2005
From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo)
Date: Tue Jan  4 10:20:10 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wish me luck!
References: <pete+usenet-1B79C0.16575902012005@news.cesmail.net>
	<crcgms$o1$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<pete+usenet-A4B2F3.17423703012005@news.cesmail.net>
Message-ID: <crec36$75d$1@news.spamcop.net>



Pete Stephenson wrote:
> In article <crcgms$o1$1@news.spamcop.net>,
>  "indigo" <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote:
>
> > Erm....how do you know you mounted the case fan in the right place
> > if you don't have the MoBo yet? Blowing air into the side of a hard
> > drive or sumthin' else ain't going to do much good......
>
> The 80mm grille in the back of the case (the only one, I might add)
> seems to suggest a logical place for an 80mm case fan. :-P

Au Contraire, mon ami! That fan will blow air perpendicular to whatever PCI
bus cards you have installed in that location, not a very efficient cooling
method. I had to install a case fan on the side of my box to blow air right
at my CPU cooler to lower the temps.

> Also, they didn't include any sort of CPU cooler/heatsink/fan/etc.
> Just a CPU in a little plastic case with some foam to protect the
> pins. Mildly irritating, but oh well.
>

Erm, not *their* fault, bud.......they sell chips to ways, OEM and retail
box. Only the retail box comes with the OEM fan, and it says so right on
their web page. Read closer next time ;-)

> Everything's wired up, but I'm not turning the thing on until I get
> that CPU fan. *rushes off to CompUSA*

DON'T FORGET THE THERMAL GREASE! ;-)


From pete+usenet at heypete.com  Tue Jan  4 18:11:39 2005
From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson)
Date: Tue Jan  4 21:15:09 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Ping Hey Pete
References: <crd36s$djf$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <pete+usenet-0D1B35.18113804012005@news.cesmail.net>

In article <crd36s$djf$1@news.spamcop.net>,
 Spam N Scams Reporter <SCNews.5.myspamgobbler@spamgourmet.com> wrote:

> It appears that you posted a spamcop report about Spam-L. What's up 
> with that? 
> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/news.admin.net-abuse.sightings/msg
> /c10e657 dbc54f905?dmode=source

Whoops!

Thanks for the heads-up. It must have accidentally been reported along 
with the spam I received. My mistake.

I've since removed it from Google Groups.

Sorry for any trouble this may have caused. :/

-- 
Pete Stephenson
HeyPete.com
From pete+usenet at heypete.com  Tue Jan  4 18:19:22 2005
From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson)
Date: Tue Jan  4 21:20:02 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wish me luck!
References: <pete+usenet-1B79C0.16575902012005@news.cesmail.net>
	<responseguard-191C5C.22215503012005@news.cesmail.net>
Message-ID: <pete+usenet-A866A0.18192204012005@news.cesmail.net>

In article <responseguard-191C5C.22215503012005@news.cesmail.net>,
 "Bob W." <responseguard@hotmail.com> wrote:

> All I can say is... You're a better man than I, Pete Stephenson.

*laughs* Hardly.

Given all of that, here's my status so far:

PowerMac G5: No progress made. According to the Debian site, they're 
still working on stable G5 support.

Cobalt RaQ3: Attempting to install either the RaQ4 or RaQ550 operating 
system. Failed so far because the required net-install PC (the Cobalt 
has no CD drive, unfortunately) host doesn't have one of the very 
specific compatible LAN cards that it wants. More progress soon, 
hopefully.

Building-my-PC: After a brief trip to Fry's Electronics (truly a 
wonderful, if poorly-organized place), I now have a fairly bad-ass CPU 
fan and heat-sink that seems to work wonders. Indigo: Yes, I got some 
thermal grease. :-P The disk is partitioned four ways: (C:\ has the 
Windows XP OS and not much else, D:\ is the Windows paging file and 
nothing else, E:\ is all my files, documents, etc., and the remaining 
10Gb of unformatted space is for Debian when I install it) -- having all 
my files on a different partition than Windows itself is quite handy in 
case Things Go Horribly Wrong[1].

Now I think I'm going to take a break and actually go outside for a bit. 
Time to prepare for the ski-trip this weekend. Par-tay. :)

[1] On that note, do *not* install Windows XP Professional 64-bit 
"Preview" edition, even if it's free. Lots of problems, no discernable 
advantage, no Windows Update support (helloooooo viruses!), etc. I'll 
stick with the 32-bit version for now. I had to "format C:" to get rid 
of it and re-install the 32-bit version -- fortunately due to the 
partitioning structure, this resulted in only erasing Windows (and 
needing a few hours of Windows Updating and SP2-ing), rather than all my 
files. Very handy, that.

-- 
Pete Stephenson
HeyPete.com
From SCNews.5.myspamgobbler at spamgourmet.com  Tue Jan  4 21:20:59 2005
From: SCNews.5.myspamgobbler at spamgourmet.com (Spam N Scams Reporter)
Date: Wed Jan  5 00:25:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Ping Hey Pete
In-Reply-To: <pete+usenet-0D1B35.18113804012005@news.cesmail.net>
References: <crd36s$djf$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<pete+usenet-0D1B35.18113804012005@news.cesmail.net>
Message-ID: <crftg0$99h$1@news.spamcop.net>

Pete Stephenson wrote:
> In article <crd36s$djf$1@news.spamcop.net>,
>  Spam N Scams Reporter <SCNews.5.myspamgobbler@spamgourmet.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>It appears that you posted a spamcop report about Spam-L. What's up 
>>with that? 
>>http://groups-beta.google.com/group/news.admin.net-abuse.sightings/msg
>>/c10e657 dbc54f905?dmode=source
> 
> 
> Whoops!
> 
> Thanks for the heads-up. It must have accidentally been reported along 
> with the spam I received. My mistake.
> 
> I've since removed it from Google Groups.
> 
> Sorry for any trouble this may have caused. :/
> 

You're welcome. I figured it was something you overlooked. Time to 
whitelist?

I let the Spam-L group know. Fortunately, SC has not added them to the 
blocklist as far as I can tell.

Brian
From SCNews.5.myspamgobbler at spamgourmet.com  Tue Jan  4 22:36:40 2005
From: SCNews.5.myspamgobbler at spamgourmet.com (Spam N Scams Reporter)
Date: Wed Jan  5 01:40:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Computer-related "Argh!"
In-Reply-To: <pete+usenet-0229B0.19084829122004@news.cesmail.net>
References: <pete+usenet-6ED978.04514228122004@news.cesmail.net>
	<cquvdo$pkk$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<pete+usenet-0229B0.19084829122004@news.cesmail.net>
Message-ID: <crg1tp$bqk$1@news.spamcop.net>

Pete Stephenson wrote:
> In article <cquvdo$pkk$1@news.spamcop.net>,
>  "Joe Gill" <joegill@removethis@prodigy.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Some thoughts/reflections.....
>>
<snip>

>>There is a not well-known tool from MS, call Microsoft Baseline Security
>>Analyzer which really helps to ensure things are patched up to date. It is
>>more of a 'techie' tool than home user tool, and points out some
>>exposure/fixes not made known to the home user.
>>Current version is 1.2.1 (it will self-update) Seach for it at
>>download.microsoft.com. Use keyword MBSA
> 
> 
> Interesting. I'll have to take a look at this. All I've ever really 
> known from Microsoft is their Windows and Office Update sites.
> 
> 
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=b13ebd6b-e258-4625-b0a3-64a4879f7798&DisplayLang=en
From nobody at nowhere.com.INVALID  Tue Jan  4 23:55:23 2005
From: nobody at nowhere.com.INVALID (GregR)
Date: Wed Jan  5 03:00:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wish me luck!
In-Reply-To: <pete+usenet-A866A0.18192204012005@news.cesmail.net>
References: <pete+usenet-1B79C0.16575902012005@news.cesmail.net>
	<responseguard-191C5C.22215503012005@news.cesmail.net>
	<pete+usenet-A866A0.18192204012005@news.cesmail.net>
Message-ID: <crg6hc$epj$1@news.spamcop.net>

Pete Stephenson wrote:

> Cobalt RaQ3: Attempting to install either the RaQ4 or RaQ550 operating 
> system. Failed so far because the required net-install PC (the Cobalt 
> has no CD drive, unfortunately) host doesn't have one of the very 
> specific compatible LAN cards that it wants. More progress soon, 
> hopefully.

Eh? Ethernet's such a "mature" technology by now that it should pretty 
much be a no-brainer. Everything that I've tried to connect with it in 
recent years has played nice together right out of the box, the LAN 
physical layer has always been the least of my worries.

Or am I missing something here?

> Building-my-PC: After a brief trip to Fry's Electronics (truly a 
> wonderful, if poorly-organized place), 

Heh... no trip to California (though I think they're now in a few other 
states as well) is complete for a techie without a trip to a Frys store.

Words usually fail me trying to describe the place, the usual reaction 
from visitors is an open-mouthed "Wow...".  :-)

 > D:\ is the Windows paging file and nothing else,

I assume that refers to the "swap file"(?).

> E:\ is all my files, documents, etc., 

Smart thinking - you'll only need to do regular backups on the data 
(with probably an occasional backup of the program partition to make any 
subsequent re-install chore a little easier to do).

 > having all
> my files on a different partition than Windows itself is quite handy in 
> case Things Go Horribly Wrong[1].

As I'm sure you'll find out, it's not a question of "if" but "when"... ;-)

> Now I think I'm going to take a break and actually go outside for a bit. 
> Time to prepare for the ski-trip this weekend. Par-tay. :)

<snarky geeky comment>

I take it that a LAN party isn't your idea of a good time?... ;-)

</comment>

OK, I'm leaving now...

-- 

GregR - Another Beemer Biker ...o&o>

I voted for Kerry, it's not my problem.

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful,
and so are we. They never stop thinking about
new ways to harm our country and our people,
and neither do we."

George W. Bush
8/5/04
From pete+usenet at heypete.com  Wed Jan  5 02:34:53 2005
From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson)
Date: Wed Jan  5 05:35:18 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Wish me luck!
References: <pete+usenet-1B79C0.16575902012005@news.cesmail.net>
	<responseguard-191C5C.22215503012005@news.cesmail.net>
	<pete+usenet-A866A0.18192204012005@news.cesmail.net>
	<crg6hc$epj$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <pete+usenet-438AEC.02345305012005@news.cesmail.net>

In article <crg6hc$epj$1@news.spamcop.net>,
 GregR <nobody@nowhere.com.INVALID> wrote:

> Eh? Ethernet's such a "mature" technology by now that it should pretty 
> much be a no-brainer. Everything that I've tried to connect with it in 
> recent years has played nice together right out of the box, the LAN 
> physical layer has always been the least of my worries.
> 
> Or am I missing something here?

The Cobalt "restore" CD (I'm "restoring" the RaQ4 or 550 OS) is actually 
a self-booting linux CD. They've only included about eight ethernet card 
drivers on the CD, and since the OS is written on a CD it's impossible 
to modify. :/

> > Building-my-PC: After a brief trip to Fry's Electronics (truly a 
> > wonderful, if poorly-organized place), 
> 
> Heh... no trip to California (though I think they're now in a few other 
> states as well) is complete for a techie without a trip to a Frys store.

Quite so.

> Words usually fail me trying to describe the place, the usual reaction 
> from visitors is an open-mouthed "Wow...".  :-)

Yeah...what's with the different "themes" at each store? The one near me 
is Cowboys & Indians (or is it the Old West look?). There's an "Aztec 
Temple" one near us as well.

>  > D:\ is the Windows paging file and nothing else,
> 
> I assume that refers to the "swap file"(?).

Pretty much.

> > E:\ is all my files, documents, etc., 
> 
> Smart thinking - you'll only need to do regular backups on the data 
> (with probably an occasional backup of the program partition to make any 
> subsequent re-install chore a little easier to do).

Exactly. Alas, I'm not totally up to speed on Windows yet (I tend to 
avoid it like the plague), so even if I were to upgrade/format 
Windows/drive C, all the programs would break. Grr.

>  > having all
> > my files on a different partition than Windows itself is quite handy in 
> > case Things Go Horribly Wrong[1].
> 
> As I'm sure you'll find out, it's not a question of "if" but "when"... ;-)

With Windows? Yup.

> > Now I think I'm going to take a break and actually go outside for a bit. 
> > Time to prepare for the ski-trip this weekend. Par-tay. :)
> 
> <snarky geeky comment>
> 
> I take it that a LAN party isn't your idea of a good time?... ;-)

Oh, it is, but it tends to leave my room in shambles. In fact, my buddy 
Ross has been here for about three nights (ah the joys of having an 
extra sleeping bag and pillow) in a row helping me with this PC, then 
gaming on it. (I just bought Half-Life 2 today over Steam...very 
awesome.)

> </comment>
> 
> OK, I'm leaving now...

And I'm finally going to get some sleep. :)

-- 
Pete Stephenson
HeyPete.com
From pete+usenet at heypete.com  Wed Jan  5 02:36:26 2005
From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson)
Date: Wed Jan  5 05:40:18 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Ping Hey Pete
References: <crd36s$djf$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<pete+usenet-0D1B35.18113804012005@news.cesmail.net>
	<crftg0$99h$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <pete+usenet-D2DB6D.02362605012005@news.cesmail.net>

In article <crftg0$99h$1@news.spamcop.net>,
 Spam N Scams Reporter <SCNews.5.myspamgobbler@spamgourmet.com> wrote:

> You're welcome. I figured it was something you overlooked. Time to 
> whitelist?

My filters generally put it in the inbox. I'll definitely put it in the 
whitelist now. Again, thanks for the heads up.

> I let the Spam-L group know. Fortunately, SC has not added them to the 
> blocklist as far as I can tell.

By "group" do you mean "mailing list", or "administrator"?

Yeah, SpamCop generally won't list on just one LART, thank goodness.

-- 
Pete Stephenson
HeyPete.com
From SCNews.5.myspamgobbler at spamgourmet.com  Wed Jan  5 12:04:57 2005
From: SCNews.5.myspamgobbler at spamgourmet.com (Spam N Scams Reporter)
Date: Wed Jan  5 15:10:18 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Ping Hey Pete
In-Reply-To: <pete+usenet-D2DB6D.02362605012005@news.cesmail.net>
References: <crd36s$djf$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<pete+usenet-0D1B35.18113804012005@news.cesmail.net>
	<crftg0$99h$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<pete+usenet-D2DB6D.02362605012005@news.cesmail.net>
Message-ID: <crhh9g$cg3$1@news.spamcop.net>

Pete Stephenson wrote:
> In article <crftg0$99h$1@news.spamcop.net>,
>  Spam N Scams Reporter <SCNews.5.myspamgobbler@spamgourmet.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>You're welcome. I figured it was something you overlooked. Time to 
>>whitelist?
> 
> 
> My filters generally put it in the inbox. I'll definitely put it in the 
> whitelist now. Again, thanks for the heads up.
> 
> 
>>I let the Spam-L group know. Fortunately, SC has not added them to the 
>>blocklist as far as I can tell.
> 
> 
> By "group" do you mean "mailing list", or "administrator"?
> 
> Yeah, SpamCop generally won't list on just one LART, thank goodness.
> 

Your google post was brought up on the mailing list, so I let them know 
that it was a mistake and that you had canceled the post.
From pete+usenet at heypete.com  Wed Jan  5 12:50:50 2005
From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson)
Date: Wed Jan  5 15:55:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Ping Hey Pete
References: <crd36s$djf$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<pete+usenet-0D1B35.18113804012005@news.cesmail.net>
	<crftg0$99h$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<pete+usenet-D2DB6D.02362605012005@news.cesmail.net>
	<crhh9g$cg3$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <pete+usenet-312B00.12505005012005@news.cesmail.net>

In article <crhh9g$cg3$1@news.spamcop.net>,
 Spam N Scams Reporter <SCNews.5.myspamgobbler@spamgourmet.com> wrote:

> Your google post was brought up on the mailing list, so I let them know 
> that it was a mistake and that you had canceled the post.

Ah, excellent. I'll have to go find that thread. I've been so busy 
locally it's been tough to read email. :)

-- 
Pete Stephenson
HeyPete.com
From MikeE at ster.invalid  Wed Jan  5 15:47:41 2005
From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter)
Date: Wed Jan  5 18:50:10 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Ping Hey Pete
References: <crd36s$djf$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<pete+usenet-0D1B35.18113804012005@news.cesmail.net>
	<crftg0$99h$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<pete+usenet-D2DB6D.02362605012005@news.cesmail.net>
	<crhh9g$cg3$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <crhu8f$lo3$1@news.spamcop.net>

Spam N Scams Reporter wrote:
> Your google post was brought up on the mailing list, so I let them
> know that it was a mistake and that you had canceled the post.

It's too late.  The Spam-L hitmen team have already been commissioned
and dispatched.

I think their names were Vincent and Jules.

-- 
Mike Easter
kibitzer, not SC admin

From SCNews.5.myspamgobbler at spamgourmet.com  Wed Jan  5 16:13:15 2005
From: SCNews.5.myspamgobbler at spamgourmet.com (Spam N Scams Reporter)
Date: Wed Jan  5 19:15:23 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Ping Hey Pete
In-Reply-To: <crhu8f$lo3$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <crd36s$djf$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<pete+usenet-0D1B35.18113804012005@news.cesmail.net>
	<crftg0$99h$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<pete+usenet-D2DB6D.02362605012005@news.cesmail.net>
	<crhh9g$cg3$1@news.spamcop.net> <crhu8f$lo3$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <crhvqu$mnt$1@news.spamcop.net>

Mike Easter wrote:
> Spam N Scams Reporter wrote:
> 
>>Your google post was brought up on the mailing list, so I let them
>>know that it was a mistake and that you had canceled the post.
> 
> 
> It's too late.  The Spam-L hitmen team have already been commissioned
> and dispatched.
> 
> I think their names were Vincent and Jules.
> 

You weren't supposed to tell. They wanted it to be a surprise.
From pete+usenet at heypete.com  Wed Jan  5 23:35:55 2005
From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson)
Date: Thu Jan  6 02:40:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Ping Hey Pete
References: <crd36s$djf$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<pete+usenet-0D1B35.18113804012005@news.cesmail.net>
	<crftg0$99h$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<pete+usenet-D2DB6D.02362605012005@news.cesmail.net>
	<crhh9g$cg3$1@news.spamcop.net> <crhu8f$lo3$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <pete+usenet-511932.23355505012005@news.cesmail.net>

In article <crhu8f$lo3$1@news.spamcop.net>,
 "Mike Easter" <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote:

> It's too late.  The Spam-L hitmen team have already been commissioned 
> and dispatched.

*hides under the bed*

Normal hitmen are one thing...SPAM-L hitmen are another thing entirely. 
Rather than cut off my fingers, they'll cut off my connectivity. :-P

-- 
Pete Stephenson
HeyPete.com
From borgholio at storymind.com  Thu Jan  6 18:37:30 2005
From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio)
Date: Thu Jan  6 21:40:19 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Spamcop Seti team update
Message-ID: <crksk6$fqm$1@news.spamcop.net>

Just about to break the 200,000 credit mark with 7 members and still going 
strong!  I updated the team from "United States" to "International" because 
I just remembered that Marj is Dutch.  :)  Seeing as how Seti@home is set to 
shut down within the next few months, anybody who has not yet converted to 
Seti@home 2 should do so now while the getting is good.
From user at domain.invalid  Thu Jan  6 23:58:27 2005
From: user at domain.invalid (User)
Date: Fri Jan  7 01:00:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Yahoo On SpamCop BL
Message-ID: <crl8bv$orq$1@news.spamcop.net>

My wife belongs to a list on Yahoo. Every day she has to reactivate her
account because 66.94.237.36 is listed in the SpamCop BL and is being
rejected by my mail server BL. What to do about this?

[66.94.237.36]
Translated Name: n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com
IP Address: 66.94.237.36

From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net  Fri Jan  7 02:29:15 2005
From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO)
Date: Fri Jan  7 03:30:02 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Yahoo On SpamCop BL
References: <crl8bv$orq$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <crlh8r$u0l$1@news.spamcop.net>

"User" <user@domain.invalid> wrote in message
news:crl8bv$orq$1@news.spamcop.net...
> My wife belongs to a list on Yahoo. Every day she has to reactivate her
> account because 66.94.237.36 is listed in the SpamCop BL and is being
> rejected by my mail server BL. What to do about this?
>
> [66.94.237.36]
> Translated Name: n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com
> IP Address: 66.94.237.36

First suggestion would be to go to the spamcop newsgroup
(you posted in spamcop.geeks) and take a look though
the numerous threads on Yahoo Group blockages ... or
hit the web-based Forum and catch that version of the
same "problem" ... What to do basically depends on
what options are available to your wife for whatever
account you're talking about.


From skiwi at spamcop.net  Fri Jan  7 07:26:17 2005
From: skiwi at spamcop.net (sk1w1)
Date: Fri Jan  7 10:30:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Spamcop Seti team update
In-Reply-To: <crksk6$fqm$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <crksk6$fqm$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <crm9mp$duh$1@news.spamcop.net>

Borgholio wrote:
> Just about to break the 200,000 credit mark with 7 members and still 
> going strong!  I updated the team from "United States" to 
> "International" because I just remembered that Marj is Dutch.  :)  
> Seeing as how Seti@home is set to shut down within the next few months, 
> anybody who has not yet converted to Seti@home 2 should do so now while 
> the getting is good.


P.S. Feel free to join the group!       :-)
From agent01413 at my-deja.com  Fri Jan  7 21:18:43 2005
From: agent01413 at my-deja.com (Socks)
Date: Fri Jan  7 16:20:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Yahoo On SpamCop BL
References: <crl8bv$orq$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <Xns95D79180057F6agent01413MYDEJACOM@216.154.195.61>

User <user@domain.invalid> wrote in news:crl8bv$orq$1@news.spamcop.net:

> My wife belongs to a list on Yahoo. Every day she has to reactivate her
> account because 66.94.237.36 is listed in the SpamCop BL and is being
> rejected by my mail server BL. What to do about this?
> 
> [66.94.237.36]
> Translated Name: n2a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com
> IP Address: 66.94.237.36
> 

followups properly set

yahoo permits spammers to abuse their system, so yahoo gets reported

easiest solution is for your wife to set her subscription to digest so that 
it goes through a different server

another solution is to complain to yahoo about their policy that permits 
subscriptions without confirmations, and slow response to spam complaints

best solution is to move the list off yahoo. unfortunately, topica is even 
worse
From notabene at spamcop.net  Fri Jan  7 22:52:12 2005
From: notabene at spamcop.net (Nico Bartels)
Date: Fri Jan  7 16:55:06 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Yahoo On SpamCop BL
References: <crl8bv$orq$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <307775e5b33397cc80324085af36e836@nbartels.net>

On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:58:27 -0600, User wrote:

>My wife belongs to a list on Yahoo. Every day she has to reactivate her
>account because 66.94.237.36 is listed in the SpamCop BL and is being
>rejected by my mail server BL. What to do about this?

Ask Yahoo..

Ciao!
                    |\ |
                    | \|ico

-- 
Wie wil er nog een 1000 MB Gmail account?
Mail me op nbartels@gmail.com
From user at domain.invalid  Sat Jan  8 06:46:07 2005
From: user at domain.invalid (User)
Date: Sat Jan  8 07:45:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Yahoo On SpamCop BL
In-Reply-To: <307775e5b33397cc80324085af36e836@nbartels.net>
References: <crl8bv$orq$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<307775e5b33397cc80324085af36e836@nbartels.net>
Message-ID: <crokjt$sq6$1@news.spamcop.net>

On 07.01.2005 15:52, Nico Bartels wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

> On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 23:58:27 -0600, User wrote:
> 
>>My wife belongs to a list on Yahoo. Every day she has to reactivate her
>>account because 66.94.237.36 is listed in the SpamCop BL and is being
>>rejected by my mail server BL. What to do about this?
> 
> Ask Yahoo..
> 
> Ciao!
>                     |\ |
>                     | \|ico
> 

Gee whiz, never thought of that one ...
From borgholio at storymind.com  Sat Jan  8 15:26:59 2005
From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio)
Date: Sat Jan  8 18:30:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Dual CPU machines
Message-ID: <crpq7o$jhs$1@news.spamcop.net>

Do the processors in a Dual CPU machine need to be matched?  In other words, 
do they need to be the same revision, same model, same everything?
From Kilgallen at SpamCop.net  Sat Jan  8 22:37:59 2005
From: Kilgallen at SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)
Date: Sat Jan  8 23:40:09 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Dual CPU machines
References: <crpq7o$jhs$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <dM8lL85UFdNb@eisner.encompasserve.org>

In article <crpq7o$jhs$1@news.spamcop.net>, Borgholio <borgholio@storymind.com> writes:
> Do the processors in a Dual CPU machine need to be matched?  In other words, 
> do they need to be the same revision, same model, same everything?

They certainly do in all VAXen and Alphas to date.

VMS Developers have discussed the possibility of relaxing that
on future machines -- I don't remember whether it was just for
Itanium or also for Alpha.

Dual machines actually are not such a problem in this area --
consider a 128 cpu GS-1280 !
From borgholio at storymind.com  Sat Jan  8 21:04:08 2005
From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio)
Date: Sun Jan  9 00:05:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Dual CPU machines
In-Reply-To: <dM8lL85UFdNb@eisner.encompasserve.org>
References: <crpq7o$jhs$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<dM8lL85UFdNb@eisner.encompasserve.org>
Message-ID: <crqdvr$k0$1@news.spamcop.net>

Larry Kilgallen wrote:
> In article <crpq7o$jhs$1@news.spamcop.net>, Borgholio <borgholio@storymind.com> writes:
> 
>>Do the processors in a Dual CPU machine need to be matched?  In other words, 
>>do they need to be the same revision, same model, same everything?
> 
> 
> They certainly do in all VAXen and Alphas to date.
> 
> VMS Developers have discussed the possibility of relaxing that
> on future machines -- I don't remember whether it was just for
> Itanium or also for Alpha.
> 
> Dual machines actually are not such a problem in this area --
> consider a 128 cpu GS-1280 !


I meant hardware-wise.  :)
From Kilgallen at SpamCop.net  Sun Jan  9 08:56:23 2005
From: Kilgallen at SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)
Date: Sun Jan  9 10:00:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Dual CPU machines
References: <crpq7o$jhs$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<dM8lL85UFdNb@eisner.encompasserve.org> <crqdvr$k0$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <uSgFioYiGfvK@eisner.encompasserve.org>

In article <crqdvr$k0$1@news.spamcop.net>, Borgholio <borgholio@storymind.com> writes:
> Larry Kilgallen wrote:
>> In article <crpq7o$jhs$1@news.spamcop.net>, Borgholio <borgholio@storymind.com> writes:
>> 
>>>Do the processors in a Dual CPU machine need to be matched?  In other words, 
>>>do they need to be the same revision, same model, same everything?
>> 
>> 
>> They certainly do in all VAXen and Alphas to date.
>> 
>> VMS Developers have discussed the possibility of relaxing that
>> on future machines -- I don't remember whether it was just for
>> Itanium or also for Alpha.
>> 
>> Dual machines actually are not such a problem in this area --
>> consider a 128 cpu GS-1280 !
> 
> 
> I meant hardware-wise.  :)

Certainly you can plug in any CPU that is voltage-compatible.
But for most of us, the ability of the operating system to run
on it is crucial.

If course if you just want an additional CPU as a hot spare,
the VAX and Alpha consoles allow you to run them one at a time.
I have no idea about Itanium.
From nobody at nowhere.com.INVALID  Sun Jan  9 22:32:00 2005
From: nobody at nowhere.com.INVALID (GregR)
Date: Mon Jan 10 01:35:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] PGP Question
Message-ID: <crt7h1$lli$1@news.spamcop.net>

I've got an upcoming series of negotiations to coordinate, and figured 
that the easiest way to keep everyone on the same page would be to post 
updates on an Internet site as needed - Yahoo Groups comes to mind, and 
I've already got a few sites up and running that could be pressed into 
service for this project.

I'd also like to encrypt the updates to keep the opposing side out of 
what we're doing (duh...), and the first-guess easiest solution to that 
one would be to use PGP (easily available, and a free download for the 
limited version).

But... (and there's always a "but..."), I don't know of any easy way to 
encrypt posts for a group (seems like PGP has a "group" feature for 
e-mail, but this ain't the same thing).

I've thought about sharing a common public/private key combo and 
encrypting posts that way, but the group is large enough (~20) that 
there's a very real possibility of the key being compromised.  And that 
would not be A Good Thing (? SpamCop).

TIA for any ideas.  Even "out-of-the-box" suggestions are welcome.  :-)

-- 

GregR - Another Beemer Biker ...o&o>

I voted for Kerry, it's not my problem.

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful,
and so are we. They never stop thinking about
new ways to harm our country and our people,
and neither do we."

George W. Bush
8/5/04
From skiwi at spamcop.net  Sun Jan  9 23:19:14 2005
From: skiwi at spamcop.net (sk1w1)
Date: Mon Jan 10 02:20:02 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: PGP Question
In-Reply-To: <crt7h1$lli$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <crt7h1$lli$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <crta9i$n3s$1@news.spamcop.net>

GregR wrote:

> I've got an upcoming series of negotiations to coordinate, and figured 
> that the easiest way to keep everyone on the same page would be to post 
> updates on an Internet site as needed - Yahoo Groups comes to mind, and 
> I've already got a few sites up and running that could be pressed into 
> service for this project.

[snip]

> TIA for any ideas.  Even "out-of-the-box" suggestions are welcome.  :-)

Have you considered using of the many 'Collaborative Web Sites'?

That way yoi can have common documents that people can 'check out', a 
messaging system, etc.... and the admin can change / delete user access 
as needed...

Just a thought...
From nobody at nowhere.com.INVALID  Sun Jan  9 23:33:09 2005
From: nobody at nowhere.com.INVALID (GregR)
Date: Mon Jan 10 02:35:02 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: PGP Question
In-Reply-To: <crta9i$n3s$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <crt7h1$lli$1@news.spamcop.net> <crta9i$n3s$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <crtb3m$nj2$1@news.spamcop.net>

sk1w1 wrote:

  > Have you considered using of the many 'Collaborative Web Sites'?
> 
> That way yoi can have common documents that people can 'check out', a 
> messaging system, etc.... and the admin can change / delete user access 
> as needed...

Yeah, that's pretty much what Yahoo Groups is (and I forget the name of 
the service from the late '90's that they took over and merged with YG - 
we used it a lot when designing the new & improved SC Directory Website, 
maybe Cat would remember it).

The username/password combo does provide one level of security, but 
these negotiations will be critical to enough people's financial future 
(several hundred) to where it's almost imperative to build in as many 
layers of security as possible.

> Just a thought...

Thanks.  :-)

-- 

GregR - Another Beemer Biker ...o&o>

I voted for Kerry, it's not my problem.

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful,
and so are we. They never stop thinking about
new ways to harm our country and our people,
and neither do we."

George W. Bush
8/5/04
From nobody at nowhere.com.INVALID  Mon Jan 10 00:21:09 2005
From: nobody at nowhere.com.INVALID (GregR)
Date: Mon Jan 10 03:25:15 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: PGP Question
In-Reply-To: <crt7h1$lli$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <crt7h1$lli$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <crtdtm$pe9$1@news.spamcop.net>

GregR wrote:

> But... (and there's always a "but..."), I don't know of any easy way to 
> encrypt posts for a group (seems like PGP has a "group" feature for 
> e-mail, but this ain't the same thing).

I think I've just answered my own question - my version (6.5.8) includes 
a way to create groups by adding individual public keys to the group 
(which is just what we're looking for in this case).

Tends to create rather "long" encrypted messages, but it seems to work - 
in fact, if the opposition somehow manages to get a peek at the 
encrypted messages it might make them think that we're generating a lot 
more work-product than we really are.

And, of course, who's to say that all the posts will be "legitimate"... :-)

-- 

GregR - Another Beemer Biker ...o&o>

I voted for Kerry, it's not my problem.

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful,
and so are we. They never stop thinking about
new ways to harm our country and our people,
and neither do we."

George W. Bush
8/5/04
From MikeE at ster.invalid  Mon Jan 10 02:58:42 2005
From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter)
Date: Mon Jan 10 06:00:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: PGP Question
References: <crt7h1$lli$1@news.spamcop.net> <crtdtm$pe9$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <crtn23$v29$1@news.spamcop.net>

Last month I was scratching around some pgp information and it caused me
to make a gpg/pgp post in spamcop.

Here's part of the post and the links in case some of your group need
some info.


I just 'happened' to be gathering up some links that I was getting ready
to file away.  These would be useful to a Windows user who developed an
interest in OpenPGP such as gpg.  While they are just 'sitting there'
ready to be filed, I'll also stick them in here, including a link to the
beta OE gpg plugin.

http://www.glump.net/content/gpg_intro/html_onepage/gpg_intro.html A
Practical Introduction to GNU Privacy Guard in Windows

http://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual.html The GNU Privacy Handbook

http://www.gnupg.org/(en)/index.html GnuPG is a complete and free
replacement for PGP. Because it does not use the patented IDEA
algorithm, it can be used without any restrictions. GnuPG is a RFC2440
(OpenPGP) compliant application.

http://www.pgpi.org/doc/pgpintro/  How PGP works

http://www.keyserver.net/en/  This is a free web server to store PGP
public keys (1679713 keys stored).  Find a key for someone you wish to
send a secured message (signed or encrypted) to or add your own PGP
public key to make it available to other users on the Internet.  To
create your PGP public key, you may use any software compatible with the
OpenPGP format.

http://mandrakeuser.org/docs/secure/index.html   What Is GPG?   Why And
When To Use GPG   How GPG Works   GPG Pitfalls   Installation    Testing
And Configuration   Public Key Distribution   GPG And Mail Programs

http://0guita.com.ar/winpt/gpgoe.html  GPGOE is an Outlook Express
plug-in for GnuPG created by Timo Schulz. It allows the use of GnuPG
within outlook express for both signing, and encrypting/decrypting of
email communications.


-- 
Mike Easter
kibitzer, not SC admin

From pete+usenet at heypete.com  Mon Jan 10 03:16:54 2005
From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson)
Date: Mon Jan 10 06:20:13 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Argh, linux headaches!
Message-ID: <pete+usenet-494CFE.03165410012005@news.cesmail.net>

All right, for some reason Debian Linux refuses to install the VIA Rhine 
ethernet driver that corresponds with my system during the installation 
process. It lists the driver, gives me the option to install it, but 
fails during the installation. This is exceptionally annoying, as it 
prohibits me from being able to access the internet while running Linux, 
which makes things fairly useless, if one were to ask me.

I seem to have successfully installed FreeBSD, though I have no freakin' 
clue what to do after all this. I'm way too cheap to actually go out and 
buy a book, but it would seem that with the modular, widely varying PC 
hardware components, nobody else has precisely the same computer as me, 
and thus likely wouldn't get precisely the same errors. Joy.

That, and the fact that all the differing *nix distros alter my MBR, 
thus prompting me at boot time to select what system to boot. While this 
is indeed quite useful, it's somewhat annoying when I (gasp!) want it to 
boot directly into Windows as fast as possible.

Since I can't really seem to get a *nix installation "off the ground" 
yet, I'm in the process of BitTorrenting a Knoppix Linux Live CD, where 
I can play around with it, see how it all works, etc. from a working ISO 
(burned, of course, to CD-R) that's already setup and working. That, 
combined with massive tinkering around, some classes in the next few 
semesters, etc. and I should have sufficient knowledge and comfort with 
the system to have a general idea what the heck's going on.

Maybe I'm just really spoiled about how the Mac OS always just seems to 
"work". Heck, the Windows XP installation was more painless than the 
Linux/FreeBSD installation. I find that really sad.

For the interim, I think I'll stick with playing with XP, learning all 
of its ins and outs, gaming a bit, etc. After I feel comfortable with 
learning a new OS (Windows), I'll play around with the Knoppix CD, then 
eventually work up the courage/(in)sanity/stupidity to turn my world up 
on end again and install Linux/BSD/*nix/whatever again and hopefully do 
something productive with it. Much unrecovery will ensue.

Now it's time to get to sleep. Today's been a very long day, fleeing a 
major winter storm at Lake Tahoe and dealing with the aftereffects of 
girl-foo. After a few weeks of being all right, a bunch of girl-foo has 
decided to resurface, creep up behind me, and clobber me over the head. 
:/

-- 
Pete Stephenson
HeyPete.com
From MikeE at ster.invalid  Mon Jan 10 03:32:32 2005
From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter)
Date: Mon Jan 10 06:35:13 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: PGP Question
References: <crt7h1$lli$1@news.spamcop.net> <crtdtm$pe9$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<crtn23$v29$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <crtp1h$fd$1@news.spamcop.net>

Mike Easter wrote:
> http://0guita.com.ar/winpt/gpgoe.html  GPGOE is an Outlook Express
> plug-in for GnuPG created by Timo Schulz. It allows the use of GnuPG
> within outlook express for both signing, and encrypting/decrypting of
> email communications.

Apparently that link isn't currently up.  I don't know if that is a
permanent condition or not, but the 'general' situation with the OE
plugin currently is that it is a part of a free suite of tools, Windows
Privacy Tools (WinPT) - which is gpg, a gui front end, a win explorer
extension, the oe plugin, and a passphrase cacher.

http://help.helpem.com/docs/winpt/whatiswinpt.html  that site has links
to the sourceforge apps and docs

-- 
Mike Easter
kibitzer, not SC admin

From tonysara at bigpond.net.au  Mon Jan 10 23:45:44 2005
From: tonysara at bigpond.net.au (Tony Sara)
Date: Mon Jan 10 07:50:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] query about port 8888
Message-ID: <crttet$38g$1@news.spamcop.net>

hi

I received about 180 ADSL router alerts today, from a wide range of IP
addresses, but all directed to port 8888.

some of the addressees resolved by spa,mcop were even anti spam and abuse
email addresses!

what si the specific purpose for this port, that might explain what is going
on?

Tony


From MikeE at ster.invalid  Mon Jan 10 04:52:26 2005
From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter)
Date: Mon Jan 10 07:55:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Ripping & encoding guide
Message-ID: <crttnb$3bo$1@news.spamcop.net>

Ars Technica has a new guide
http://arstechnica.com/guides/tweaks/encoding.ars

A guide to ripping and encoding music

Introduction to audio formats and bitrates
Why LAME?
Other MP3 encoders
Lossy alternatives to MP3
Lossless formats
Encoding options
The quick and dirty guide
Tagging
Conclusion

-- 
Mike Easter
kibitzer, not SC admin

From devnull at spamcop.net  Mon Jan 10 11:03:29 2005
From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince)
Date: Mon Jan 10 11:15:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] 
	A quation of interface between varioius cell phone and Apple Mac OS.
Message-ID: <cru9d0$be8$1@news.spamcop.net>

For a number of reason, not the least that my wife has a G4 laptop I need to
find someway to reliably interface wireless phones (specifically Verizon) to
the Mac OS.

Long story short VZN customer service has been yes/no on the process (yes if
it involves a sale, no if it involves demonstrating that the process works).
Only lately have I found that VZN has made a corporate decision to not
support the Mac OS in any form which includes giving any reference to
aftermarket vendors of software/hardware that would allow the Mac platform
to use their system.

My question: Does anyone here know of a source of a solution to my needs?
If so what has your experience been with the solution?  FIWI I am also at
the point of replacing an existing VZN phone.

Regards

FP


From TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com  Mon Jan 10 23:30:46 2005
From: TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com (Rob)
Date: Mon Jan 10 18:40:15 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Ripping & encoding guide
References: <crttnb$3bo$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <crv3o8$tc9$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Mike Easter" <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote in message
news:crttnb$3bo$1@news.spamcop.net...
> Ars Technica has a new guide
> http://arstechnica.com/guides/tweaks/encoding.ars
>
> A guide to ripping and encoding music
>
> Introduction to audio formats and bitrates
> Why LAME?
> Other MP3 encoders
> Lossy alternatives to MP3
> Lossless formats
> Encoding options
> The quick and dirty guide
> Tagging
> Conclusion
>
> -- 
> Mike Easter
> kibitzer, not SC admin
>

Some good info on there, but, I'm surprised there is nothing on shn
(shorten) used for lossless archiving many taper friendly groups that are
available for legit download.

Rob


From wb8tyw at qsl.network  Mon Jan 10 19:01:24 2005
From: wb8tyw at qsl.network (John E. Malmberg)
Date: Mon Jan 10 19:05:02 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: query about port 8888
In-Reply-To: <crunpi$lkk$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <crttet$38g$1@news.spamcop.net> <crunpi$lkk$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <crv50l$u8j$1@news.spamcop.net>

Mr K. Mean wrote:
> Tony Sara wrote:
> 
>> I received about 180 ADSL router alerts today, from a wide range of IP
>> addresses, but all directed to port 8888.
>>
>> some of the addressees resolved by spa,mcop were even anti spam and abuse
>> email addresses!
>>
> There is no service that widely uses that port:
> http://dshield.org/port_report.php?port=8888
> 
> Likely, some recent virus has set that up as the port it listens to for 
> remote connections so that the virus writer can use the trojaned system.

It is possible that some of the anti-spam organizations and or spammers 
are probing to see if the machine is vulnerable.

If you have a DHCP assignment, it may be that a past owner of that I.P. 
address was a zombie, or there is suspicion that there may be zombie 
machines on your subnet.

If you have a static I.P. address, then I would recommend verifying that 
everything is as you expect.  Some of the spam relays can be stealth and 
not respond to testing.

Your posting address mainly shows up on DHCP lists, which is normal, it 
also is in the STBL seemingly only because it is in Australia.

-John
wb8tyw@qsl.network
Personal Opinion Only
From MikeE at ster.invalid  Mon Jan 10 21:23:26 2005
From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter)
Date: Tue Jan 11 00:25:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Ripping & encoding guide
References: <crttnb$3bo$1@news.spamcop.net> <crv3o8$tc9$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <crvnpd$9sp$1@news.spamcop.net>

Rob wrote:
> "Mike Easter"
>> Ars Technica has a new guide
>> http://arstechnica.com/guides/tweaks/encoding.ars

>> Lossless formats

> Some good info on there, but, I'm surprised there is nothing on shn
> (shorten) used for lossless archiving many taper friendly groups that
> are available for legit download.

In the lossless section, there's a link

"For those of you who want to use one of the more esoteric formats,
there is a nice selection of front-ends for various encoders found
here."  http://members.home.nl/w.speek/index.htm

That link goes to Speek's encoder frontends which has a comparison

"Check out my performance comparison of lossless audio compressors"
http://members.home.nl/w.speek/comparison.htm

which has a section "Shorten, Shorten" with its comparison to other
lossless and a link to Shorten's page at
http://www.softsound.com/Shorten.html

which shows shorten to be not very compressed but to be the fastest
encoding and decoding scheme of the lossless in the table.

But, you are correct that the authors don't discuss shorten 'right in'
their article.

-- 
Mike Easter
kibitzer, not SC admin

From nobody at spamcop.net  Mon Jan 10 23:01:52 2005
From: nobody at spamcop.net (Chris)
Date: Tue Jan 11 01:05:05 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] PHP Crypt and moving a database to new server
Message-ID: <crvq46$bir$1@news.spamcop.net>

I'm trying to move a database over to a new server and the only thing 
I'm having problems with is the encrypted password.

The script creators, decided to use the crypt function with a salt, 
but, implemented it incorrectly.  In a config file they have:

$password_salt="zz";

The encryption routine they use is:

$enc_password = crypt($_POST['password'],'$password_salt');

The problem is that they shouldn't have enclosed $password_salt as it 
is literally taking the variable and using it as the salt instead of 
zz.  All the stored passwords begin with $p instead of zz.

The problem I'm running into is that the new server is encrypting the 
password differently, but, only when using $password_salt as the salt.

For example:

$enc_password = crypt('hbzftma','$password_salt');

produces the output of $pzyeLK.Oz5E. on my computer here local AND the 
old server, but, the new server is outputting $pcW/C1WVgQRA using the 
same code.  The only difference I can find on my computer here at home 
and the new server is that the new server is running extended DES and 
Blowfish in addition to standard DES and MD5.

Thinking that it might be the salt lenghth, I tried $p on up as the 
salt but get the same output as the full $password_salt.

I tried substituting $password_salt with the actual salt of zz and 
then all three computers match the output.

The only thing I can think of is that the $ is triggering a different 
salt on the new server and thus the different output.

I would prefer to find a solution to this other than having to make 
the memberbase change their passwords, but, that's the only solution 
I've come up with so far...

Thanks
Chris
From no at no.spam  Mon Jan 10 22:20:08 2005
From: no at no.spam (Michael Wise)
Date: Tue Jan 11 01:25:02 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] 
	Re: A quation of interface between varioius cell phone and Apple
	Mac OS.
References: <cru9d0$be8$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <no-BE4E3B.22200310012005@news.cesmail.net>

In article <cru9d0$be8$1@news.spamcop.net>,
 "Frog Prince" <devnull@spamcop.net> wrote:

> For a number of reason, not the least that my wife has a G4 laptop I need to
> find someway to reliably interface wireless phones (specifically Verizon) to
> the Mac OS.


Not a problem. I've been interfacing VZW (and GTE Wireless before that) 
as well as ATTWS cell phones with my and my clients Macs for the last 
six or so years.


> Long story short VZN customer service has been yes/no on the process (yes if
> it involves a sale, no if it involves demonstrating that the process works).
> Only lately have I found that VZN has made a corporate decision to not
> support the Mac OS in any form which includes giving any reference to
> aftermarket vendors of software/hardware that would allow the Mac platform
> to use their system.

There are several to choose from.
> 
> My question: Does anyone here know of a source of a solution to my needs?
> If so what has your experience been with the solution?  FIWI I am also at
> the point of replacing an existing VZN phone.


For the last couple years, I've been using Smith Micro's QuickLink 
Mobile with my VZW phones with good results.

http://www.smithmicro.com/default.tpl?sku=QLMWAKEE&cart=11054234343495057
9&group=product_full


In addition, Susteen finally released a Mac version of their DataPilot 
product. I haven't used it yet, but will probably get it in the next 
week or so.

http://www.susteen.com/mac_features.htm



If all you need is contact synching, the shareware OnSync might do the 
trick.

http://homepage.mac.com/antonioferraioli/



--Mike
From rcarlton at spamcop.net  Tue Jan 11 00:08:12 2005
From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton)
Date: Tue Jan 11 03:11:01 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] 
 Re: A quation of interface between varioius cell phone and Apple
 Mac OS.
In-Reply-To: <cru9d0$be8$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <cru9d0$be8$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <cs01hd$g2q$1@news.spamcop.net>

Frog Prince wrote:

> My question: Does anyone here know of a source of a solution to my needs?
> If so what has your experience been with the solution?  FIWI I am also at
> the point of replacing an existing VZN phone.

(Hope it's OK to jump in....I've been away for the past months...)

If you're up for replacing the handset, then the Motorola V710 is worth 
a look.

It's on Verizon's network, gets good reviews, but most importantly for 
Macophiles - it's also got Bluetooth.  No wires needed, built-in support 
in the Mac OS.

In a pinch, the same phone can use the Bluetooth virtual serial port and 
act as a modem for the Mac as well.

Keep in mind that macWorld is this week, and the Moto iTunes phone 
should be cropping up soon.

www.phonescoop.com is always good for a read, as is www.expansys-usa.com.
From ric.gates at bigsleep.org  Tue Jan 11 08:33:30 2005
From: ric.gates at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Tue Jan 11 03:35:02 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Argh, linux headaches!
References: <pete+usenet-494CFE.03165410012005@news.cesmail.net>
Message-ID: <Xns95DB5BEA61E6blammo@216.154.195.61>

On 10 Jan 2005 Pete Stephenson entered spamcop.geeks and left 
news:pete+usenet-494CFE.03165410012005@news.cesmail.net:

> That, and the fact that all the differing *nix distros alter my MBR, 
> thus prompting me at boot time to select what system to boot. While this 
> is indeed quite useful, it's somewhat annoying when I (gasp!) want it to 
> boot directly into Windows as fast as possible.
> 

I am determined not to do that and use multiple harddrives, and if 
necessary, removable drive bays.

-- 
| Ric
|
From pete+usenet at heypete.com  Tue Jan 11 00:38:38 2005
From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson)
Date: Tue Jan 11 03:40:17 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Argh, linux headaches!
References: <pete+usenet-494CFE.03165410012005@news.cesmail.net>
	<Xns95DB5BEA61E6blammo@216.154.195.61>
Message-ID: <pete+usenet-63163C.00383711012005@news.cesmail.net>

In article <Xns95DB5BEA61E6blammo@216.154.195.61>,
 Blammo <ric.gates@bigsleep.org> wrote:

> I am determined not to do that and use multiple harddrives, and if 
> necessary, removable drive bays.

Well, even if one were to use multiple hard disks, wouldn't one still 
need to have a MBR on the first sector of the first hard disk that would 
allow one to select which OS to load, or can that be selected in BIOS 
(i.e. Boot Order: Floppy, CDROM, Hard Disk #1, Hard Disk #2, etc.)?

-- 
Pete Stephenson
HeyPete.com
From ric.gates at bigsleep.org  Tue Jan 11 08:45:09 2005
From: ric.gates at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Tue Jan 11 03:50:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Argh, linux headaches!
References: <pete+usenet-494CFE.03165410012005@news.cesmail.net>
Message-ID: <Xns95DB7B8444F1blammo@216.154.195.61>

On 10 Jan 2005 Pete Stephenson entered spamcop.geeks and left 
news:pete+usenet-494CFE.03165410012005@news.cesmail.net:

> I seem to have successfully installed FreeBSD, though I have no freakin' 
> clue what to do after all this.

Hmm, install some apps like X Window...
http://www.freebsd.org/applications.html

> I'm way too cheap to actually go out and buy a book,

Ok, http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/

> but it would seem that with the modular, widely varying PC 
> hardware components, nobody else has precisely the same computer as me, 
> and thus likely wouldn't get precisely the same errors. Joy.
> 

There are newsgroups for that
http://www.freebsd.org/support.html#newsgroups

Have you looked at http://www.opendarwin.org/ or 
http://darwine.opendarwin.org/
-- 
| Ric
|
From rcarlton at spamcop.net  Tue Jan 11 01:02:31 2005
From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton)
Date: Tue Jan 11 04:05:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Dual CPU machines
In-Reply-To: <crqdvr$k0$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <crpq7o$jhs$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<dM8lL85UFdNb@eisner.encompasserve.org> <crqdvr$k0$1@news.spamcop.net>
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Borgholio wrote:
> I meant hardware-wise.  :)

In the PC world - processor model, speed and voltage have to match (i 
think). After that it becomes a measure of optimization - the two CPUs 
from the same batch, etc.
From ric.gates at bigsleep.org  Tue Jan 11 09:11:01 2005
From: ric.gates at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Tue Jan 11 04:15:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: PHP Crypt and moving a database to new server
References: <crvq46$bir$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <Xns95DBC1ADACCDblammo@216.154.195.61>

On 10 Jan 2005 Chris entered spamcop.geeks and left 
news:crvq46$bir$1@news.spamcop.net:

> $enc_password = crypt($_POST['password'],'$password_salt');
> 
> The problem is that they shouldn't have enclosed $password_salt as it 
> is literally taking the variable and using it as the salt instead of 
> zz.  All the stored passwords begin with $p instead of zz.
> 

If PHP is anything like Perl, then you shouldn't be using single quotes...

$enc_password = crypt($_POST['password'],"$password_salt");

Writing it as '$password_salt' would mean that crypt() is literally taking 
the first two characters, which happen to be "$p".

However writing
$password_salt="zz";

as
$password_salt='zz';

wouldn't make any difference since it's a string with no special 
characters (like $).
-- 
| Ric
|
From nobody at nowhere.invalid  Tue Jan 11 10:11:48 2005
From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein)
Date: Tue Jan 11 04:15:05 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Argh, linux headaches!
References: <pete+usenet-494CFE.03165410012005@news.cesmail.net>
	<Xns95DB5BEA61E6blammo@216.154.195.61>
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Message-ID: <slrncu762k.lv.nobody@127.0.0.1>

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 00:38:38 -0800, Pete Stephenson coughed into
spamcop.geeks and left this in
<pete+usenet-63163C.00383711012005@news.cesmail.net>:

> Well, even if one were to use multiple hard disks, wouldn't one still 
> need to have a MBR on the first sector of the first hard disk

Not necessarily. The bootsector of the active partition is a good place 
for such a bootloader too.

BTW, what made you choose Debian in particular? I too have via-rhine 
based NICs in all of the machines here (D-Link DFE-530TX) and no 
distributions based on the 2.4.x kernel and later have been a problem 
for me. I've tried Red Hat, Mandrake, Slackware (used for several years) 
and now I'm using FreeBSD.

-- 
Steve

Which is worse: ignorance or apathy?  Who knows?  Who cares?
From ric.gates at bigsleep.org  Tue Jan 11 09:27:27 2005
From: ric.gates at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Tue Jan 11 04:30:02 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Argh, linux headaches!
References: <pete+usenet-494CFE.03165410012005@news.cesmail.net>
	<Xns95DB5BEA61E6blammo@216.154.195.61>
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Message-ID: <Xns95DBEE3A5E91blammo@216.154.195.61>

On 11 Jan 2005 Pete Stephenson entered spamcop.geeks and left 
news:pete+usenet-63163C.00383711012005@news.cesmail.net:

> In article <Xns95DB5BEA61E6blammo@216.154.195.61>,
>  Blammo <ric.gates@bigsleep.org> wrote:
> 
>> I am determined not to do that and use multiple harddrives, and if 
>> necessary, removable drive bays.
> 
> Well, even if one were to use multiple hard disks, wouldn't one still 
> need to have a MBR on the first sector of the first hard disk that would 
> allow one to select which OS to load, or can that be selected in BIOS 
> (i.e. Boot Order: Floppy, CDROM, Hard Disk #1, Hard Disk #2, etc.)?
> 

There are several ways, but I just use the BIOS options to change the boot 
drive. You can use removable drives or a utility like Partition Magic, or a 
bootloader. For me the BIOS is the easiest most reliable way, but that 
depends on your motherboard.

-- 
| Ric
|
From nobody at spamcop.net  Tue Jan 11 02:37:58 2005
From: nobody at spamcop.net (Chris)
Date: Tue Jan 11 04:40:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: PHP Crypt and moving a database to new server
In-Reply-To: <Xns95DBC1ADACCDblammo@216.154.195.61>
References: <crvq46$bir$1@news.spamcop.net>
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Blammo wrote:
> If PHP is anything like Perl, then you shouldn't be using single quotes...
> 
> $enc_password = crypt($_POST['password'],"$password_salt");
> 
> Writing it as '$password_salt' would mean that crypt() is literally taking 
> the first two characters, which happen to be "$p".
> 
> However writing
> $password_salt="zz";
> 
> as
> $password_salt='zz';
> 
> wouldn't make any difference since it's a string with no special 
> characters (like $).

Yep, that's what is happening, if they would have left it unquoted or 
used double quotes, I wouldn't have this problem now.

My problem now is that on the new server, it doesn't encrypt using the 
'$password_salt' the same as it does on the old server so the 
passwords don't work/are different.  However if I correct it by 
doublequoting it or by leaving out any quotes all together the zz salt 
is used and the password will start with zz on all three computers.

I'm trying to get the routine to work on the new server, but, 
'$password_salt' has a different output so they don't match.

The output on the old server and on my computer here at home is the 
same with $pzyeLK.Oz5E. as the output.  Using the identical routine on 
the new server the output is $pcW/C1WVgQRA

If I only change the salt, say put zz there in place of 
$password_salt, all three computers have the output of zz1Sk0cyO39Vk

Thinking it has to do with the length of $password_salt, I tried $p up 
to the full length of $password_salt without any effect.

Chris
From TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com  Tue Jan 11 12:07:58 2005
From: TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com (Rob)
Date: Tue Jan 11 07:25:13 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Ripping & encoding guide
References: <crttnb$3bo$1@news.spamcop.net> <crv3o8$tc9$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<crvnpd$9sp$1@news.spamcop.net>
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"Mike Easter" <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote in message
news:crvnpd$9sp$1@news.spamcop.net...
>
> "Check out my performance comparison of lossless audio compressors"
> http://members.home.nl/w.speek/comparison.htm
>
> which has a section "Shorten, Shorten" with its comparison to other
> lossless and a link to Shorten's page at
> http://www.softsound.com/Shorten.html
>
> which shows shorten to be not very compressed but to be the fastest
> encoding and decoding scheme of the lossless in the table.
>
> But, you are correct that the authors don't discuss shorten 'right in'
> their article.
>
> -- 
> Mike Easter
> kibitzer, not SC admin
>

The only problem I've come across with Shorten is that very few players seem
to support playing it before it is uncompressed.  Foobar2000 is the only one
I've come across so far.

Rob


From pete+usenet at heypete.com  Tue Jan 11 06:20:59 2005
From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson)
Date: Tue Jan 11 09:25:06 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Argh, linux headaches!
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	<Xns95DB5BEA61E6blammo@216.154.195.61>
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	<slrncu762k.lv.nobody@127.0.0.1>
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In article <slrncu762k.lv.nobody@127.0.0.1>,
 Steven Maesslein <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:

> BTW, what made you choose Debian in particular? I too have via-rhine 
> based NICs in all of the machines here (D-Link DFE-530TX) and no 
> distributions based on the 2.4.x kernel and later have been a problem 
> for me. I've tried Red Hat, Mandrake, Slackware (used for several years) 
> and now I'm using FreeBSD.

I chose Debian based off of the advice of several Linux-knowledgeable 
friends I have. The excellent apt-get utility is also a major selling 
point.

Due to the VIA Rhine oddities, I've backed off trying to bash my way 
through the installation for Debian, and have successfully (?) installed 
FreeBSD. I'm not sure precisely what to /do/ with it now, though it does 
boot and give me a command line, but it doesn't seem that I can actually 
do anything from there as it's just a bare-bones system with no other 
applications/utilities that I can discern.

I've heard good things about Red Hat as well, and am downloading the 
ISOs for that as we speak. More tinkering around with this will be good.

I also remembered that I have several external hard disks lying around 
that I can pull the drives from and install the OS onto there, so I 
don't need to worry about Windows vs. Linux and other bootloader 
oddities. This would save me significant sums of money buying new and 
unnecessary hard disks.

-- 
Pete Stephenson
HeyPete.com
From MikeE at ster.invalid  Tue Jan 11 06:32:38 2005
From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter)
Date: Tue Jan 11 09:35:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Ripping & encoding guide
References: <crttnb$3bo$1@news.spamcop.net> <crv3o8$tc9$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<crvnpd$9sp$1@news.spamcop.net> <cs0gam$ovk$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <cs0nv5$t44$1@news.spamcop.net>

Rob wrote:
> The only problem I've come across with Shorten is that very few
> players seem to support playing it before it is uncompressed.
> Foobar2000 is the only one I've come across so far.

http://www.etree.org/shnutils/shorten/ <snippages>

Seek tables allow one to seek through a .shn file in real-time while
playing it in various audio players. Here is a list of plugins that
support seek tables:

xmms-shn (for XMMS)
ShnAmp (for WinAmp)
foo_shn (for foobar2000)
in_shn (for J River Media Jukebox/Center)
Shorten plugin (for MacAmp Lite X - now defunct)


<MEagain> Also, while crawling around, I also learned that shortened
also can do a lossy version.

http://www.softsound.com/Shorten.html Shorten has two basic modes of
operation: -- lossy: The compression may be specified either in terms of
an average number of bits per sample, or in terms of an acceptable
(perceptually weighted) signal to noise ratio. Good quality is obtained
at compression rates from 3:1 to 5:1 and thus it can be a good
alternative to ADPCM.


-- 
Mike Easter
kibitzer, not SC admin

From skiwi at spamcop.net  Tue Jan 11 07:20:18 2005
From: skiwi at spamcop.net (sk1w1)
Date: Tue Jan 11 10:25:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Spamcop Seti team update [200K done!]
In-Reply-To: <crksk6$fqm$1@news.spamcop.net>
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Borgholio wrote:
> Just about to break the 200,000 credit mark with 7 members and still 
> going strong!


[snip]

200K done! do I hear 500K!??     :-)
From borgholio at storymind.com  Tue Jan 11 09:42:52 2005
From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio)
Date: Tue Jan 11 12:45:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Dual CPU machines
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	<cs04n8$i6l$1@news.spamcop.net>
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Rick Carlton wrote:
> Borgholio wrote:
> 
>> I meant hardware-wise.  :)
> 
> 
> In the PC world - processor model, speed and voltage have to match (i 
> think). After that it becomes a measure of optimization - the two CPUs 
> from the same batch, etc.


So processor stepping doesn't matter?
From ric.gates at bigsleep.org  Tue Jan 11 18:41:19 2005
From: ric.gates at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Tue Jan 11 13:45:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Argh, linux headaches!
References: <pete+usenet-494CFE.03165410012005@news.cesmail.net>
	<Xns95DB5BEA61E6blammo@216.154.195.61>
	<pete+usenet-63163C.00383711012005@news.cesmail.net>
	<slrncu762k.lv.nobody@127.0.0.1>
	<pete+usenet-D012A1.06205911012005@news.cesmail.net>
Message-ID: <Xns95DB6CCCF8ED7blammo@216.154.195.61>

On 11 Jan 2005 Pete Stephenson entered spamcop.geeks and left 
news:pete+usenet-D012A1.06205911012005@news.cesmail.net:

> I also remembered that I have several external hard disks lying around 
> that I can pull the drives from and install the OS onto there, so I 
> don't need to worry about Windows vs. Linux and other bootloader 
> oddities. This would save me significant sums of money buying new and 
> unnecessary hard disks.
> 

Leave a large drive in and slice it up for tmp, storage, programs, etc. The 
OS don't need a large drive, so you can format the large drive's partitions 
for whatever file systems you need, some like fat32 can be shared across 
OS's. Though you probably need to be careful what program you use to 
repartition the drive.

-- 
| Ric
|
From ric.gates at bigsleep.org  Tue Jan 11 19:13:59 2005
From: ric.gates at bigsleep.org (Blammo)
Date: Tue Jan 11 14:15:27 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: PHP Crypt and moving a database to new server
References: <crvq46$bir$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns95DBC1ADACCDblammo@216.154.195.61> <cs06pc$jke$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <Xns95DB7256EC48Eblammo@216.154.195.61>

On 11 Jan 2005 Chris entered spamcop.geeks and left 
news:cs06pc$jke$1@news.spamcop.net:

> The output on the old server and on my computer here at home is the 
> same with $pzyeLK.Oz5E. as the output.  Using the identical routine on 
> the new server the output is $pcW/C1WVgQRA
> 
> If I only change the salt, say put zz there in place of 
> $password_salt, all three computers have the output of zz1Sk0cyO39Vk
> 
> Thinking it has to do with the length of $password_salt, I tried $p up 
> to the full length of $password_salt without any effect.
> 

OK, that's what I thought, but I couldn't understand why you just couldn't 
change the salt to '$p'.

Perl says salt should be alphanumeric, perhaps it is ignoring the '$', try 
variations of 'password_salt' and see if it comes close.

-- 
| Ric
|
From rcarlton at spamcop.net  Tue Jan 11 12:14:38 2005
From: rcarlton at spamcop.net (Rick Carlton)
Date: Tue Jan 11 15:15:04 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Dual CPU machines
In-Reply-To: <cs136c$4or$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <crpq7o$jhs$1@news.spamcop.net>
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Borgholio wrote:
> So processor stepping doesn't matter?

Sure it does, though more in the Intel world than say, AMD.

Here's a nifty little summary about Intel steppings: 
http://users.erols.com/chare/mixed.htm
From borgholio at storymind.com  Tue Jan 11 12:41:48 2005
From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio)
Date: Tue Jan 11 15:45:03 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Dual CPU machines
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	<cs04n8$i6l$1@news.spamcop.net> <cs136c$4or$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<cs1c3f$bei$1@news.spamcop.net>
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Rick Carlton wrote:
> Borgholio wrote:
> 
>> So processor stepping doesn't matter?
> 
> 
> Sure it does, though more in the Intel world than say, AMD.
> 
> Here's a nifty little summary about Intel steppings: 
> http://users.erols.com/chare/mixed.htm


Thx.  That confirms what I thought about the CPUs this guy sent with the 
board...they're not matched.  Different core sizes (.25 micron vs .35 
micron) and different stepping.
From TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com  Tue Jan 11 20:45:27 2005
From: TMHRVMFWREVN at spammotel.com (Rob)
Date: Tue Jan 11 16:40:05 2005
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Ripping & encoding guide
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"Mike Easter" <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote in message
news:cs0nv5$t44$1@news.spamcop.net...
> Rob wrote:
>
> Seek tables allow one to seek through a .shn file in real-time while
> playing it in various audio players.
>
> http://www.softsound.com/Shorten.html Shorten has two basic modes of
> operation: -- lossy: The compression may be specified either in terms of
> an average number of bits per sample, or in terms of an acceptable
> (perceptually weighted) signal to noise ratio. Good quality is obtained
> at compression rates from 3:1 to 5:1 and thus it can be a good
> alternative to ADPCM.
>
>
> -- 
> Mike Easter
> kibitzer, not SC admin
>

When I downloaded Foobar2000 from etree I downloaded the special version
which installed the foo_shn plugin fortunately.  From what I can see most of
the music I've downloaded must be at 3:1 compression considering what they
uncompress to.  I have the MKW Audio Compression Tool for creating Lossless
shn from 16 bit stereo PCM Wave, but, there is no way to configure it