From igsmith at spamcop.net Sat Oct 1 17:12:29 2005 From: igsmith at spamcop.net (Ian Smith) Date: Sat Oct 1 11:15:14 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Improving Wi-Fi Home Network In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: dw?c?n wrote: > My wireless router only gets arond 30% (marginal) reception. Someone told > me that putting a wire strainer around the antenna will help direct the > signal. Before I ruin my strainer by punching a hole in it, is this true? > Is there any other way to boost performance? Thanks in advance. > > Try changing the channel of the router - I've had problems with our access point in the office (getting it to connect 1st thing in the morning was near impossible, despite excellent signal level) and tried changing the channel 'just in case'. Now my connection is fine! regards, Ian From kenbrody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 4 11:44:02 2005 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Tue Oct 4 10:45:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] XP's "computer management" on a remote system Message-ID: <43429532.978ECBF9@spamcop.net> Has anyone here successfully used XP's "computer management" control panel applet on a remote system? While I can successfully connect to the remote system, I am unable to access any of the information on that system, as it gives an error 5 (permission denied). I have created an administrative user account on that system with the same name as my local system, but that didn't help, and I see no way to specify a username/password to the program to try it that way. Any ideas? -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From pete+usenet at heypete.com Tue Oct 4 13:56:09 2005 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Tue Oct 4 16:00:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: XP's "computer management" on a remote system References: <43429532.978ECBF9@spamcop.net> Message-ID: In article <43429532.978ECBF9@spamcop.net>, Kenneth Brody wrote: > Has anyone here successfully used XP's "computer management" control panel > applet on a remote system? While I can successfully connect to the remote > system, I am unable to access any of the information on that system, as it > gives an error 5 (permission denied). I have created an administrative > user account on that system with the same name as my local system, but that > didn't help, and I see no way to specify a username/password to the program > to try it that way. > > Any ideas? I'm just guessing here, but I would imagine that accessing various system controls and management options remotely would be prohibited anyway for security reasons. Then again, I'm not familiar with the way the system works...I'm just speculating. Cheers! -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Oct 4 14:13:56 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue Oct 4 16:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: XP's "computer management" on a remote system In-Reply-To: References: <43429532.978ECBF9@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Pete Stephenson wrote: > In article <43429532.978ECBF9@spamcop.net>, > Kenneth Brody wrote: > > >>Has anyone here successfully used XP's "computer management" control panel >>applet on a remote system? While I can successfully connect to the remote >>system, I am unable to access any of the information on that system, as it >>gives an error 5 (permission denied). I have created an administrative >>user account on that system with the same name as my local system, but that >>didn't help, and I see no way to specify a username/password to the program >>to try it that way. >> >>Any ideas? > > > I'm just guessing here, but I would imagine that accessing various > system controls and management options remotely would be prohibited > anyway for security reasons. > > Then again, I'm not familiar with the way the system works...I'm just > speculating. > > Cheers! > You could use TightVNC and get complete control. I use that to remote-control every system in my house. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Wed Oct 5 11:59:44 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Wed Oct 5 05:00:46 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: XP's "computer management" on a remote system References: <43429532.978ECBF9@spamcop.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 10:44:02 -0400, Kenneth Brody coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in <43429532.978ECBF9@spamcop.net>: > Has anyone here successfully used XP's "computer management" control panel > applet on a remote system? What the hell do you need a "'computer management' control panel applet on a remote system" for? Any trojan will do the job perfectly well :) -- Steve Are Linux users lemmings collectively jumping off of the cliff of reliable, well-engineered commercial software? -- Matt Welsh From kenbrody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 5 13:27:27 2005 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Wed Oct 5 12:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: XP's "computer management" on a remote system References: <43429532.978ECBF9@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <4343FEEF.19241CA4@spamcop.net> Steven Maesslein wrote: > > On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 10:44:02 -0400, Kenneth Brody coughed into > spamcop.geeks and left this in <43429532.978ECBF9@spamcop.net>: > > > Has anyone here successfully used XP's "computer management" control panel > > applet on a remote system? > > What the hell do you need a "'computer management' control panel applet > on a remote system" for? Any trojan will do the job perfectly well :) Because I want to be able to control my 8-year-old son's system without the need to go up to his room, nor do I want to introduce any trojans or viruses onto our LAN. -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Oct 5 11:04:27 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Oct 5 13:05:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: XP's "computer management" on a remote system In-Reply-To: <4343FEEF.19241CA4@spamcop.net> References: <43429532.978ECBF9@spamcop.net> <4343FEEF.19241CA4@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Kenneth Brody wrote: > Steven Maesslein wrote: > >>On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 10:44:02 -0400, Kenneth Brody coughed into >>spamcop.geeks and left this in <43429532.978ECBF9@spamcop.net>: >> >> >>>Has anyone here successfully used XP's "computer management" control panel >>>applet on a remote system? >> >>What the hell do you need a "'computer management' control panel applet >>on a remote system" for? Any trojan will do the job perfectly well :) > > > Because I want to be able to control my 8-year-old son's system without > the need to go up to his room, nor do I want to introduce any trojans or > viruses onto our LAN. > http://www.tightvnc.com/ From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Thu Oct 6 00:36:17 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Steve Gilder) Date: Wed Oct 5 23:40:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: XP's "computer management" on a remote system References: <43429532.978ECBF9@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:43429532.978ECBF9@spamcop.net... > Has anyone here successfully used XP's "computer management" control panel > applet on a remote system? While I can successfully connect to the remote > system, I am unable to access any of the information on that system, as it > gives an error 5 (permission denied). I have created an administrative > user account on that system with the same name as my local system, but > that > didn't help, and I see no way to specify a username/password to the > program > to try it that way. > > Any ideas? > > -- > +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ > | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | > | > | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include > | > +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ > Don't e-mail me at: > The computer management applet is limited. Have you looked at the Remote Desktop Connection app? Steve From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Oct 6 01:52:46 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Oct 6 03:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] AGP 4x!!! NOOOO!!!! Message-ID: Well I'm a bit pissed. For some reason I always thought that my motherboard had 8x AGP. Nope. 4x. My video card is 8x though. So I'm stuck with a dilemma. Do I just upgrade to a newer video card and suffer the partial slowdown that will result from using an 8x card in a 4x slot? Or do I go through the pain of upgrading my motherboard just to get an 8x slot? In other words, will upgrading from a GeForce 4 to...say...a GeForce 6, make a big enough difference even though it's only running at 4x AGP? From pete+usenet at heypete.com Thu Oct 6 01:58:00 2005 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Thu Oct 6 04:00:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: AGP 4x!!! NOOOO!!!! References: Message-ID: In article , Borgholio wrote: > Well I'm a bit pissed. For some reason I always thought that my motherboard > had 8x AGP. Nope. 4x. My video card is 8x though. So I'm stuck with a > dilemma. Do I just upgrade to a newer video card and suffer the partial > slowdown that will result from using an 8x card in a 4x slot? Or do I go > through the pain of upgrading my motherboard just to get an 8x slot? In > other words, will upgrading from a GeForce 4 to...say...a GeForce 6, make a > big enough difference even though it's only running at 4x AGP? I dunno if it'll really make that much of a difference, but if you do upgrade your motherboard, I'd be interested in getting the old one from you (potentially for some beer, or monetary compesation). I've been looking at building a small NTP server, and would need a good motherboard. I may just go with a Soekris Engineering itty-bitty-box, as they're more power-efficient, as well as have no moving parts. But if the price is right, we'll see. :) What games are you playing that would necessitate an 8x AGP slot? Go play a real game like NetHack or something. :-P -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Oct 6 02:27:05 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Oct 6 04:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: AGP 4x!!! NOOOO!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Pete Stephenson wrote: > In article , > Borgholio wrote: > > >>Well I'm a bit pissed. For some reason I always thought that my motherboard >>had 8x AGP. Nope. 4x. My video card is 8x though. So I'm stuck with a >>dilemma. Do I just upgrade to a newer video card and suffer the partial >>slowdown that will result from using an 8x card in a 4x slot? Or do I go >>through the pain of upgrading my motherboard just to get an 8x slot? In >>other words, will upgrading from a GeForce 4 to...say...a GeForce 6, make a >>big enough difference even though it's only running at 4x AGP? > > > I dunno if it'll really make that much of a difference, but if you do > upgrade your motherboard, I'd be interested in getting the old one from > you (potentially for some beer, or monetary compesation). I've been > looking at building a small NTP server, and would need a good > motherboard. > > I may just go with a Soekris Engineering itty-bitty-box, as they're more > power-efficient, as well as have no moving parts. But if the price is > right, we'll see. :) > > What games are you playing that would necessitate an 8x AGP slot? Go > play a real game like NetHack or something. :-P > Oh...try Everquest 2, Doom 3, and Quake 4. Yes, Quake 4 has officially gone gold. :) So you're suggesting that I upgrade the board, rather than the video card? From kenbrody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 6 11:17:18 2005 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Thu Oct 6 10:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: XP's "computer management" on a remote system References: <43429532.978ECBF9@spamcop.net> <4343FEEF.19241CA4@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <434531EE.AED6C93@spamcop.net> Borgholio wrote: > > Kenneth Brody wrote: > > Steven Maesslein wrote: > > > >>On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 10:44:02 -0400, Kenneth Brody coughed into > >>spamcop.geeks and left this in <43429532.978ECBF9@spamcop.net>: > >> > >> > >>>Has anyone here successfully used XP's "computer management" control panel > >>>applet on a remote system? > >> > >>What the hell do you need a "'computer management' control panel applet > >>on a remote system" for? Any trojan will do the job perfectly well :) > > > > > > Because I want to be able to control my 8-year-old son's system without > > the need to go up to his room, nor do I want to introduce any trojans or > > viruses onto our LAN. > > > > http://www.tightvnc.com/ I'll take a look. Thanks. I'd still like to know how to get XP's built-in "remote computer management" to work, though. -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From kenbrody at spamcop.net Thu Oct 6 11:19:15 2005 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Thu Oct 6 10:30:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: XP's "computer management" on a remote system References: <43429532.978ECBF9@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <43453263.49A21FDB@spamcop.net> Steve Gilder wrote: > > "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message > news:43429532.978ECBF9@spamcop.net... > > Has anyone here successfully used XP's "computer management" control panel > > applet on a remote system? While I can successfully connect to the remote > > system, I am unable to access any of the information on that system, as it > > gives an error 5 (permission denied). I have created an administrative > > user account on that system with the same name as my local system, but > > that didn't help, and I see no way to specify a username/password to the > > program to try it that way. > > > > Any ideas? > > > The computer management applet is limited. Have you looked at the Remote > Desktop Connection app? That requires that the controlled computer be XP Pro, and the system in question is XP Home. And, even if the applet is limited, I doubt it's limited to "make a connection to the remote computer, but don't allow anything else". -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From pete+usenet at heypete.com Thu Oct 6 09:56:18 2005 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Thu Oct 6 12:00:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: AGP 4x!!! NOOOO!!!! References: Message-ID: In article , Borgholio wrote: > Oh...try Everquest 2, Doom 3, and Quake 4. Yes, Quake 4 has officially gone > gold. :) So you're suggesting that I upgrade the board, rather than the > video card? I've played Doom 3 on my PC[1] and it handles it quite well. So well, in fact, that I could barely sleep for a few days...from both the continuous playing of the game as well as the scary-as-all-hell (literally) playing. I'm amazed the developers haven't gone crazy yet. Now I'm playing Battlefield 2, and loving it. Strangely, the performance on the PC doesn't seem to be as good as it was...I disabled disk-level compression, which seems to have fixed a few things. No spyware or anything...maybe I'm just perceiving things a bit oddly. [1] Watercooled Athlon64 2.2Ghz, Nvidia GeForce 6600GT, ABIT KV8 Pro motherboard (with, admittedly a 8x/4x AGP slot) 512MB RAM, etc. Makes a nice shiny gaming PC. -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From pete+usenet at heypete.com Thu Oct 6 10:04:20 2005 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Thu Oct 6 12:05:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: AGP 4x!!! NOOOO!!!! References: Message-ID: In article , Borgholio wrote: > So you're suggesting that I upgrade the board, rather than the > video card? Ah, to answer your question... I'm not sure what type of motherboard, CPU, and other accessories you have plugged into it. If the MB will only support 4x and you need 8x, and you can simply buy a new motherboard that'll take all the current components you have, then by all means do it! Motherboards are relatively cheap these days if you get a high-quality Intel, ABIT, or ASUS motherboard. There are others out there, but I just don't care. :-D I'm a ABIT fan, but I'll probably end up getting an Intel board in my next computer, if only for supporting a US company. That, and I've had really good experiences with Intel boards at my previous workplace. -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Oct 6 10:30:38 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Oct 6 12:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: AGP 4x!!! NOOOO!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Pete Stephenson wrote: > In article , > Borgholio wrote: > > >>So you're suggesting that I upgrade the board, rather than the >>video card? > > > Ah, to answer your question... > > I'm not sure what type of motherboard, CPU, and other accessories you > have plugged into it. If the MB will only support 4x and you need 8x, > and you can simply buy a new motherboard that'll take all the current > components you have, then by all means do it! Motherboards are > relatively cheap these days if you get a high-quality Intel, ABIT, or > ASUS motherboard. There are others out there, but I just don't care. :-D > > I'm a ABIT fan, but I'll probably end up getting an Intel board in my > next computer, if only for supporting a US company. That, and I've had > really good experiences with Intel boards at my previous workplace. > It's the whole XP "Repair Install" thing that I'm not looking forward to. Not as simple as a motherboard swap with Windows 98... From pete+usenet at heypete.com Thu Oct 6 11:40:45 2005 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Thu Oct 6 13:45:16 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: AGP 4x!!! NOOOO!!!! References: Message-ID: In article , Borgholio wrote: > It's the whole XP "Repair Install" thing that I'm not looking forward to. > Not as simple as a motherboard swap with Windows 98... Eh, fark it. I'd just re-install all of Windows. Or don't install Windows at all. :) -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Oct 6 11:45:55 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Oct 6 13:50:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: AGP 4x!!! NOOOO!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Pete Stephenson wrote: > In article , > Borgholio wrote: > > >>It's the whole XP "Repair Install" thing that I'm not looking forward to. >>Not as simple as a motherboard swap with Windows 98... > > > Eh, fark it. I'd just re-install all of Windows. > > Or don't install Windows at all. :) > Har dee har har. From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Oct 6 13:02:29 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Oct 6 15:05:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: AGP 4x!!! NOOOO!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Pete Stephenson wrote: > In article , > Borgholio wrote: > > >>So you're suggesting that I upgrade the board, rather than the >>video card? > > > Ah, to answer your question... > > I'm not sure what type of motherboard, CPU, and other accessories you > have plugged into it. If the MB will only support 4x and you need 8x, > and you can simply buy a new motherboard that'll take all the current > components you have, then by all means do it! Motherboards are > relatively cheap these days if you get a high-quality Intel, ABIT, or > ASUS motherboard. There are others out there, but I just don't care. :-D > > I'm a ABIT fan, but I'll probably end up getting an Intel board in my > next computer, if only for supporting a US company. That, and I've had > really good experiences with Intel boards at my previous workplace. > I spoke with Nvidia, and they said that there's actually very little NOTICABLE difference between 4x and 8x AGP, since the bottleneck is either the CPU / RAM or the video card itself. They suggested I keep the 4x AGP and upgrade to a GeForce 6. That's probably what I'll do. Sorry Pete. :) BTW, go to www.geeks.com. They have 20 dollar motherboards there. I got one for my 1.8ghz Celly and it works fine. From bait-423c86b2-42ff9001 at good.julianhaight.com Thu Oct 6 23:34:21 2005 From: bait-423c86b2-42ff9001 at good.julianhaight.com (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Fri Oct 7 01:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: AGP 4x!!! NOOOO!!!! References: Message-ID: AGP 4x vs. 8x won't matter much at all. The ONLY time that's a factor is when the card has to fetch stuff from system memory.. and in most cases that's not an issue that you'd need to worry about. :) So.. get a better card if you want/need one.. don't worry about the slot. Chris "Borgholio" wrote in message news:di2l3m$of$1@news.spamcop.net... > Well I'm a bit pissed. For some reason I always thought that my motherboard > had 8x AGP. Nope. 4x. My video card is 8x though. So I'm stuck with a > dilemma. Do I just upgrade to a newer video card and suffer the partial > slowdown that will result from using an 8x card in a 4x slot? Or do I go > through the pain of upgrading my motherboard just to get an 8x slot? In > other words, will upgrading from a GeForce 4 to...say...a GeForce 6, make a > big enough difference even though it's only running at 4x AGP? From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Oct 6 23:36:42 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Oct 7 01:40:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: AGP 4x!!! NOOOO!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chris F. Willoughby AGP 4x vs. 8x won't matter much at all. The ONLY time that's a factor is when the card has to fetch stuff from system memory.. and in most cases that's not an issue that you'd need to worry about. :) So.. get a better card if you want/need one.. don't worry about the slot. > > Chris > > "Borgholio" wrote in message news:di2l3m$of$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>Well I'm a bit pissed. For some reason I always thought that my motherboard >>had 8x AGP. Nope. 4x. My video card is 8x though. So I'm stuck with a >>dilemma. Do I just upgrade to a newer video card and suffer the partial >>slowdown that will result from using an 8x card in a 4x slot? Or do I go >>through the pain of upgrading my motherboard just to get an 8x slot? In >>other words, will upgrading from a GeForce 4 to...say...a GeForce 6, make a >>big enough difference even though it's only running at 4x AGP? Yeah I got a similar opinion directly from Nvidia. Now that I've had a chance to orgasm after playing the Doom 3 demo and seeing the Quake 4 trailers, I'll probably get a GeForce 6. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Fri Oct 7 12:08:20 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Fri Oct 7 05:11:20 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: AGP 4x!!! NOOOO!!!! References: Message-ID: On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 12:02:29 -0700, Borgholio coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > I spoke with Nvidia, and they said that there's actually very little > NOTICABLE difference between 4x and 8x AGP, since the bottleneck is either > the CPU / RAM or the video card itself. They suggested I keep the 4x AGP > and upgrade to a GeForce 6. Uhh.... Who are you giving your money to if you upgrade to a GeForce 6? Who are you giving your money to if you upgrade the rest? Who recommended you upgrade to a GeForce 6? /fx: penny, drop... Cynical? Moi? :) -- Steve Mary had a little lamb which walked into a pylon Ten thousand volts went up its @$$ and turned its fleece to nylon From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Oct 7 13:06:46 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (magus kent) Date: Fri Oct 7 08:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] GRC dot Com? Message-ID: Last couple of days haven't been able to reach either the web page or their news server. Are they down or is it some other problem? On SETI they've been talking about some peerage problem between cogent and one of the other big backbones and I'm thinking grc is on the one that I'm not accessing...tia...m From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Oct 7 10:09:34 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Pop) Date: Fri Oct 7 09:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: GRC dot Com? References: Message-ID: "magus kent" wrote in message news:Xns96E8528E4DBEBmaguskent@216.154.195.61... : Last couple of days haven't been able to reach either the web page or their : news server. Are they down or is it some other problem? On SETI they've : been talking about some peerage problem between cogent and one of the other : big backbones and I'm thinking grc is on the one that I'm not : accessing...tia...m Working fine now from here. Pop From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Oct 7 10:20:46 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Pop) Date: Fri Oct 7 09:25:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] PS Re: GRC dot Com? References: Message-ID: "Pop" wrote in message news:di5s2d$3n4$1@news.spamcop.net... : : "magus kent" wrote in message : news:Xns96E8528E4DBEBmaguskent@216.154.195.61... :: Last couple of days haven't been able to reach either the web : page or their :: news server. Are they down or is it some other problem? On : SETI they've :: been talking about some peerage problem between cogent and one : of the other :: big backbones and I'm thinking grc is on the one that I'm not :: accessing...tia...m : : Working fine now from here. : : Pop : : Just noticed this on their page: " Last Edit: Oct 06, 2005 at 20:53 (0.39 days ago) " From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Oct 7 13:30:50 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Oct 7 15:35:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: GRC dot Com? References: Message-ID: magus kent wrote: > Last couple of days haven't been able to reach either the web page or > their news server. Are they down or is it some other problem? They are not down. It is 'some other' problem; a war between cogentco and level3. > On > SETI they've been talking about some peerage problem between cogent > and one of the other big backbones and I'm thinking grc is on the one > that I'm not accessing...tia...m You are in here: whois -h whois.arin.net 206.148.168.110 ... OrgName: AGIS NetRange: 206.148.0.0 - 206.149.255.255 CIDR: 206.148.0.0/15 which is cogent ASN174. Grc is in here whois -h whois.arin.net 4.79.142.200 ... OrgName: Level 3 Communications, Inc. NetRange: 4.0.0.0 - 4.255.255.255 CIDR: 4.0.0.0/8 which is level3 ASN3356 Since level3 and cogent comm aren't speaking to each other, you have a problem with connectivity. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Oct 7 13:43:49 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Oct 7 15:45:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] mmmm.....Civilization 4..... Message-ID: First game I pre-ordered in close to a decade. :) http://www.civ4.com/ From post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com Fri Oct 7 15:47:12 2005 From: post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com (DougW) Date: Fri Oct 7 15:50:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: mmmm.....Civilization 4..... References: Message-ID: Borgholio did pass the time by typing: > First game I pre-ordered in close to a decade. :) > > http://www.civ4.com/ Hmm.. I still like WarCraft. "Got Axe, Who you want me to kill?" And if you pester the pesents enough they scream "WHAT!!?". :) -- DougW From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Oct 7 14:01:24 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Oct 7 16:05:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: mmmm.....Civilization 4..... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: DougW wrote: > Borgholio did pass the time by typing: > >>First game I pre-ordered in close to a decade. :) >> >>http://www.civ4.com/ > > > Hmm.. > > I still like WarCraft. > > "Got Axe, Who you want me to kill?" > > And if you pester the pesents enough they scream "WHAT!!?". :) > Poke the human footsoldiers sometime. "Are you still touching me?" From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Fri Oct 7 21:31:35 2005 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Fri Oct 7 16:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: mmmm.....Civilization 4..... References: Message-ID: Borgholio on 07/10/2005 wrote: >First game I pre-ordered in close to a decade. :) > >http://www.civ4.com/ I have Civ 3, Civ 3 PTW patch and the Double Your Pleasure patch, but, since last clean install I haven't put them back on due to all those patches on top of each other doing odd things to my system. Enjoyed it thoroughly when it worked. Hope Civ 4 is released without the need for patches. -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Oct 7 14:33:42 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Oct 7 16:35:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: mmmm.....Civilization 4..... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Canopus wrote: > Borgholio on 07/10/2005 wrote: > >> First game I pre-ordered in close to a decade. :) >> >> http://www.civ4.com/ > > > I have Civ 3, Civ 3 PTW patch and the Double Your Pleasure patch, but, > since last clean install I haven't put them back on due to all those > patches on top of each other doing odd things to my system. Enjoyed it > thoroughly when it worked. Hope Civ 4 is released without the need for > patches. > Even if it does need patches, it still looks to be the best Civ yet. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Fri Oct 7 23:52:11 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Fri Oct 7 16:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: mmmm.....Civilization 4..... References: Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:31:35 +0000 (UTC), Canopus coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > the Double Your Pleasure patch ... sounds like something a spammer would advertise :) -- Steve "Mothers all want their sons to grow up to be President, but they don't want them to become politicians in the process." -- John F. Kennedy From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Oct 7 18:39:45 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Oct 7 17:40:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: mmmm.....Civilization 4..... References: Message-ID: Canopus wrote: > Borgholio on 07/10/2005 wrote: > > >First game I pre-ordered in close to a decade. :) > > > >http://www.civ4.com/ > > I have Civ 3, Civ 3 PTW patch and the Double Your Pleasure patch, "Double You Pleasure patch"? What is this game, a modern game starring Leisure Suit Larry? ;-) From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Sat Oct 8 01:48:41 2005 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Fri Oct 7 20:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: mmmm.....Civilization 4..... References: Message-ID: indigo on 07/10/2005 wrote: > > >Canopus wrote: >>Borgholio on 07/10/2005 wrote: >> >>>First game I pre-ordered in close to a decade. :) >>> >>>http://www.civ4.com/ >> >>I have Civ 3, Civ 3 PTW patch and the Double Your Pleasure patch, > >"Double You Pleasure patch"? What is this game, a modern game starring >Leisure Suit Larry? ;-) LOL...it's an extension to the Civilization 3 Play The World game which is supposed to make the reality modelling more realistic. -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From bait-423c86b2-42ff9001 at good.julianhaight.com Sat Oct 8 06:51:22 2005 From: bait-423c86b2-42ff9001 at good.julianhaight.com (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Sat Oct 8 08:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: AGP 4x!!! NOOOO!!!! References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:di51g9$74q$2@news.spamcop.net... > Yeah I got a similar opinion directly from Nvidia. Now that I've had a > chance to orgasm after playing the Doom 3 demo and seeing the Quake 4 > trailers, I'll probably get a GeForce 6. Don't waste your money on Doom 3.. get Quake 4 instead. You might also consider waiting a while for the just announced x1600s from ATI to come out. :) From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Oct 8 13:59:26 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (magus kent) Date: Sat Oct 8 09:00:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: GRC dot Com? References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in news:di6id3$i7p$1 @news.spamcop.net: > magus kent wrote: >> Last couple of days haven't been able to reach either the web page or >> their news server. Are they down or is it some other problem? > > They are not down. It is 'some other' problem; a war between cogentco > and level3. > >> On >> SETI they've been talking about some peerage problem between cogent >> and one of the other big backbones and I'm thinking grc is on the one >> that I'm not accessing...tia...m > > You are in here: > > whois -h whois.arin.net 206.148.168.110 ... > OrgName: AGIS > NetRange: 206.148.0.0 - 206.149.255.255 > CIDR: 206.148.0.0/15 > > which is cogent ASN174. > > Grc is in here > > whois -h whois.arin.net 4.79.142.200 ... > OrgName: Level 3 Communications, Inc. > NetRange: 4.0.0.0 - 4.255.255.255 > CIDR: 4.0.0.0/8 > > which is level3 ASN3356 > > Since level3 and cogent comm aren't speaking to each other, you have a > problem with connectivity. > > > Thanks to all for the responses. Just managed to access their news groups so things must be getting sorted out. Thanks again...m From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Oct 8 07:49:46 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Oct 8 09:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: GRC dot Com? References: Message-ID: magus kent wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> They are not down. It is 'some other' problem; a war between >> cogentco and level3. > Thanks to all for the responses. Just managed to access their news > groups so things must be getting sorted out. Thanks again...m Level3 opened back up, but they say the war isn't over and they are giving cogent until early Nov to come up with a satisfactory arrangement or shutdown again. Presumably the big dog customers like TW/RR will have something to say from their perspective. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com Sat Oct 8 10:32:35 2005 From: post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com (DougW) Date: Sat Oct 8 10:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: AGP 4x!!! NOOOO!!!! References: Message-ID: Chris F. Willoughby did pass the time by typing: > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:di51g9$74q$2@news.spamcop.net... >> Yeah I got a similar opinion directly from Nvidia. Now that I've had a >> chance to orgasm after playing the Doom 3 demo and seeing the Quake 4 >> trailers, I'll probably get a GeForce 6. > > Don't waste your money on Doom 3.. get Quake 4 instead. You might also > consider waiting a while for the just announced x1600s from ATI to come out. > :) Doom3 isn't too bad. If you don't mind utterly dark, hard to see, mindless fumbling between flashlight and ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRG! gun intersposed with moments of ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRG! and DAMN! why didn't I save my game. -- DougW From borgholio at storymind.com Sat Oct 8 13:46:00 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sat Oct 8 15:50:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: AGP 4x!!! NOOOO!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chris F. Willoughby "Borgholio" wrote in message news:di51g9$74q$2@news.spamcop.net... > >>Yeah I got a similar opinion directly from Nvidia. Now that I've had a >>chance to orgasm after playing the Doom 3 demo and seeing the Quake 4 >>trailers, I'll probably get a GeForce 6. > > > Don't waste your money on Doom 3.. get Quake 4 instead. You might also consider waiting a while for the just announced x1600s from ATI to come out. :) Just got Doom 3 on Ebay so it's all good. :) From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Oct 8 21:50:48 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Pop) Date: Sat Oct 8 20:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Web Page Design? Message-ID: Hi, Just a shot in the dark here: Got a free copy of Fusion 7 today. Current version seems to be 8, and fairly expensive. I fired it up breifly and it -looks- like it might have some neat stuff, but too much to dig into all at once, so before I prejudiced myself by either not discovering a serious problem or discovering what seems lke a serious problem but isn't, I thought I'd see what others think of it. For reference: I'm only barely intermediate in coding html and perl/CGI, so far from a guru here. My references would be NVU (open source, good but only in some areas), Front Page from win98 and manually coding when I'm trying to learn the ins and outs of a feature or object usage. I can't afford a Dreamweaver et al, so I was wondering what others had to say about Fusion? TIA, Pop --- If it ain't broke, keep on fixing it; it will be soon! From bait-423c86b2-42ff9001 at good.julianhaight.com Mon Oct 10 02:37:17 2005 From: bait-423c86b2-42ff9001 at good.julianhaight.com (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Mon Oct 10 04:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: AGP 4x!!! NOOOO!!!! References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:di97k8$voq$1@news.spamcop.net... > Just got Doom 3 on Ebay so it's all good. :) Don't say we didn't warn ya! hehe From bait-423c86b2-42ff9001 at good.julianhaight.com Mon Oct 10 02:38:06 2005 From: bait-423c86b2-42ff9001 at good.julianhaight.com (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Mon Oct 10 04:40:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: GRC dot Com? References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:di8ipi$ko4$1@news.spamcop.net... > Level3 opened back up, but they say the war isn't over and they are > giving cogent until early Nov to come up with a satisfactory arrangement > or shutdown again. Presumably the big dog customers like TW/RR will > have something to say from their perspective. > > -- > Mike Easter > kibitzer, not SC admin What's going on Mike? I don't know anything other than what little I've read in these NGs. Chris From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon Oct 10 05:52:21 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Glenn Daniels) Date: Mon Oct 10 04:56:00 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: GRC dot Com? References: Message-ID: "Chris F. Willoughby" wrote: What's going on Mike? I don't know anything other than what little I've read in these NGs. Ummm... Mebbe this will serve: http://news.com.com/Network+feud+leads+to+Net+blackout/2100-1038_3-5889592.html?tag=nefd.top Glenn From post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com Mon Oct 10 10:15:20 2005 From: post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com (DougW) Date: Mon Oct 10 10:20:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: AGP 4x!!! NOOOO!!!! References: Message-ID: Chris F. Willoughby did pass the time by typing: > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:di97k8$voq$1@news.spamcop.net... > >> Just got Doom 3 on Ebay so it's all good. :) > > Don't say we didn't warn ya! hehe All I have to say about Doom3 is it's like the older style cross the trip-wire and monsters get dumped on your ass type of game. And those freeping spiders...! Thought the face huggers in HL were bad.. right. -- DougW From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Oct 10 08:19:54 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Oct 10 10:20:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: GRC dot Com? References: Message-ID: Glenn Daniels wrote: > "Chris F. Willoughby" wrote: > What's going on Mike? I don't know anything other than what little > I've read in these NGs. > Ummm... Mebbe this will serve: > http://news.com.com/Network+feud+leads+to+Net+blackout/2100-1038_3-5889592.html?tag=nefd.top The c/net article is pretty neutral and so it sounds 'flakey'. I saw a level3 point of view which I think describes the situation the most 'accurately' and meaningfully. Let me see if I can find that again. Ah, here it is. There isn't an official 'press release' at the level3 site, but this is a 'statement'. http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051007/laf057.html?.v=17 Level 3 Issues Statement Concerning Internet Peering and Cogent Communications Friday October 7, 6:11 pm ET -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 10 14:34:17 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Mon Oct 10 14:25:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Transient Problems was Re: Cannot Log in - server problems? References: Message-ID: "Tim P." wrote in message news:Xns96EB75E4033CEdwvbo91q4001sneakema@216.154.195.61... > The server must be experiencing problems this morning. > > I was able to report a batch of spams this morning but then at about 9am on > the service was spotty. It would take it's time to process, then it came > back with a text page of what was supposed to be html. I would be prompted > to log in repeatedly and now it appears my user id is not even in the > database. > > Confirmation? > > -- We are experiencing some transient system problems. System operations and engineering is aware of these problems and they are working on them. I don't have an ETA at this point. Thanks. Ellen SpamCop From borgholio at storymind.com Mon Oct 10 13:33:22 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Mon Oct 10 15:35:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: AGP 4x!!! NOOOO!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: DougW wrote: > Chris F. Willoughby did pass the time by typing: > >>"Borgholio" wrote in message >>news:di97k8$voq$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> >>>Just got Doom 3 on Ebay so it's all good. :) >> >>Don't say we didn't warn ya! hehe > > > All I have to say about Doom3 is it's like the older > style cross the trip-wire and monsters get dumped on > your ass type of game. And those freeping spiders...! > Thought the face huggers in HL were bad.. right. > Oh I tried the demo and I thought it was spooky as hell. :) From bait-423c86b2-42ff9001 at good.julianhaight.com Mon Oct 10 19:08:48 2005 From: bait-423c86b2-42ff9001 at good.julianhaight.com (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Mon Oct 10 21:10:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: GRC dot Com? References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:didtaa$cdh$1@news.spamcop.net... > The c/net article is pretty neutral and so it sounds 'flakey'. I saw a > level3 point of view which I think describes the situation the most > 'accurately' and meaningfully. Let me see if I can find that again. > > Ah, here it is. There isn't an official 'press release' at the level3 > site, but this is a 'statement'. > > http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051007/laf057.html?.v=17 Level 3 Issues > Statement Concerning Internet Peering and Cogent Communications Friday > October 7, 6:11 pm ET > > > > -- > Mike Easter > kibitzer, not SC admin > Heh, sounds like Cogentco has its hands full ;-) Chris From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue Oct 11 13:49:41 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue Oct 11 15:50:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: GRC dot Com? References: Message-ID: Chris F. Willoughby wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/051007/laf057.html?.v=17 Level 3 Issues >> Statement Concerning Internet Peering and Cogent Communications >> Friday October 7, 6:11 pm ET > Heh, sounds like Cogentco has its hands full ;-) I'm on a dshield mailing list. One of its participants had this description of things which I found very informative. Brian Dessent wrote: From the discussion I've seen (i.e. L3 and Cogent customers cannot communicate at all ) it sounds like L3 is dropping traffic from Cogent's netblocks at their boundaries. No, they're not dropping or blocking the traffic. There is simply no route from A to B. I mean, simply de-peering shouldn't totally terminate all connectivity between L3 customers and Cogent customers, should it? One of the great appeals of this intarwebnet thingy is that it routes around outages, right? L3 can't be Cogent's only upstream provider, right? :) Incorrect. In theory, BGP would find another path. In reality, it is much more complicated than that due to business policies. The main factor at issue is the notion of peering. When two autonomous systems peer, they agree to trade traffic for free. This is often called settlement free interconnect because neither party is obligated to continue the relationship -- it is meant to be a mutually beneficial agreement that saves both sides money. Note that the only traffic traded here is that which is sourced in one peer's AS (or that peer's downstream) and destined for the other AS (or that peer's downstream.) In other words the peers only advertise their own routes. These peering arrangements are often heavily dictated by business, politics, and technology. ISP A might only peer with ISP B if it makes sense: if both ISPs have nearly equal amounts of traffic for each other. If one side has much more traffic for the other, then it's no longer a mutually beneficial setup. In contrast to peering is buying transit. This is where you pay someone to give you a full view of the internet. In exchange for money, he agrees to take any packets you send -- he advertises the entire global BGP routing table. Finally there is the notion of a "tier 1" organization. This term has been so overused that it is nearly worthless, at least from a marketing standpoint. From a technical standpoint, one definition of it might be a company that is "transit free", or in other words, all their traffic is handled through peering and they don't have to pay anyone to carry their packets. In order to achieve this, the organization must operate a huge global network and peer with many others. Because it is so large and so well connected, it needn't pay anyone for transit because it can route packets to any destination through one of its many peering relationships. This condition is a bit of a chicken and egg however: In order to be this large the organization must have numerous peering agreements. But in order to get those peering agreements, the organization must be large enough that it is very desirable to others to peer with them. Level3 is by most people's definition a tier 1 transit free organization. I don't know if they actually do buy transit or not -- they might buy partial transit for some minor routes that are not covered, but they most certainly do not have to buy full transit. Cogent is trying to be a tier 1 organization. They do buy transit, but only to reach certain ASes. They too have many peering relationships. So herein lies the problem. Level3 determined that for whatever reason its peering arrangement with Cogent was no longer mutually beneficial and terminated the link. Because neither organization buys full transit, there is no route between them. That this will only affect customers of one that are single-homed that are trying to reach the other. Multihomed customers are not affected. The result of this will either be that one side gives in and re-establishes the peering link, or one side buys transit to carry its packets to the other. It is somewhat of a showdown to see whose customers complain the most. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From kenbrody at spamcop.net Fri Oct 14 17:26:14 2005 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Fri Oct 14 16:30:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Reinstalling IE6 on XP Message-ID: <43501466.55EF4BC5@spamcop.net> Does anyone here know how to force a reinstall of IE6 on an XP box? We have a box (not one of ours, of course) that was highly infested with spyware, which we have managed to clean. Unfortunately, the system was so infested, that IE6 is now unusable. (More so than usual. :-) For example, JavaScript no longer runs, and the Windows Update page shows completely blank because it's not running ActiveX. I have checked the security settings, and they are set to allow both. I have followed the Microsoft KB advice and added the two Windows Update sites to the "trusted sites" list, but to no avail. (Please, let's not turn this into a thread about security and JS/AX.) I have tried simply reinstalling IE6, but it tells me that I already have a later version installed. (This _is_ the latest install.) I tweaked the registry at "HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer" to pretend that I don't have "6.0.2900.2180", but "6.0.0001.0001" instead. (I also changed "62900.2180" to "60001.0001".) The install now goes further, but then fails with the same "you have a later version" message, so there is obviously a second place that the install checks for version number later on. So, does anyone know any secret flags to tell ie6setup that I really want it to install anyway? -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com Fri Oct 14 17:06:05 2005 From: post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com (DougW) Date: Fri Oct 14 17:10:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Reinstalling IE6 on XP References: <43501466.55EF4BC5@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Kenneth Brody did pass the time by typing: > Does anyone here know how to force a reinstall of IE6 on an XP box? > > We have a box (not one of ours, of course) that was highly infested with > spyware, which we have managed to clean. Unfortunately, the system was > so infested, that IE6 is now unusable. (More so than usual. :-) > I have tried simply reinstalling IE6, but it tells me that I already have > a later version installed. (This _is_ the latest install.) I tweaked > the registry at "HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer" to pretend > that I don't have "6.0.2900.2180", but "6.0.0001.0001" instead. (I also > changed "62900.2180" to "60001.0001".) The install now goes further, but > then fails with the same "you have a later version" message, so there is > obviously a second place that the install checks for version number later > on. > > So, does anyone know any secret flags to tell ie6setup that I really want > it to install anyway? http://support.microsoft.com/kb/200007/EN-US/ Your wanting to use /F (fix) option Have you tried the update rollup? That might help, but I think the spyware removal trashed some required dll's. :/ Since IE is fairly tight into the OS you might want to run a repair on XP. http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb;en-us;871260&spid=2073&sid=186 -- DougW From baloo at ursine.ca Fri Oct 14 16:38:24 2005 From: baloo at ursine.ca (baloo@ursine.ca) Date: Fri Oct 14 19:10:22 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Reinstalling IE6 on XP References: <43501466.55EF4BC5@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <0ko523-2c.ln1@ursine.ca> Kenneth Brody wrote: > Does anyone here know how to force a reinstall of IE6 on an XP box? > > We have a box (not one of ours, of course) that was highly infested with > spyware, which we have managed to clean. Unfortunately, the system was > so infested, that IE6 is now unusable. (More so than usual. :-) That system would be what is known as "compromised entirely." Once you have viruses or malware, you can no longer trust any binary on the system and need to restore from a known good backup. No other fix is good enough. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Oct 15 10:38:29 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Pop) Date: Sat Oct 15 09:40:25 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Reinstalling IE6 on XP References: <43501466.55EF4BC5@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:43501466.55EF4BC5@spamcop.net... : Does anyone here know how to force a reinstall of IE6 on an XP box? : : We have a box (not one of ours, of course) that was highly infested with : spyware, which we have managed to clean. Unfortunately, the system was : so infested, that IE6 is now unusable. (More so than usual. :-) : : For example, JavaScript no longer runs, and the Windows Update page shows : completely blank because it's not running ActiveX. I have checked the : security settings, and they are set to allow both. I have followed the : Microsoft KB advice and added the two Windows Update sites to the "trusted : sites" list, but to no avail. (Please, let's not turn this into a thread : about security and JS/AX.) : : I have tried simply reinstalling IE6, but it tells me that I already have : a later version installed. (This _is_ the latest install.) I tweaked : the registry at "HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer" to pretend : that I don't have "6.0.2900.2180", but "6.0.0001.0001" instead. (I also : changed "62900.2180" to "60001.0001".) The install now goes further, but : then fails with the same "you have a later version" message, so there is : obviously a second place that the install checks for version number later : on. : : So, does anyone know any secret flags to tell ie6setup that I really want : it to install anyway? A known-good-backup restore is your only hope unless you want to let it reformat the drive, which is really what should happen. A restore may not overwrite malware you aren't aware is still there and might not completely fix everything. Anyway you look at it, data loss is highly likely. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Sat Oct 15 20:05:11 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Sat Oct 15 13:10:44 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Reinstalling IE6 on XP References: <43501466.55EF4BC5@spamcop.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:38:29 -0400, Pop coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > A known-good-backup restore is your only hope unless you want to > let it reformat the drive, which is really what should happen. A > restore may not overwrite malware you aren't aware is still there > and might not completely fix everything. Neither might a format unless you boot from a known clean medium (CD-ROM, for example). My advice would be to boot off a Linux live-CD, completely wipe the disk clean with "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda" and then proceed to reinstall Windows from a known clean medium. -- Steve The most difficult years of marriage are those following the wedding. From kenbrody at spamcop.net Sat Oct 15 14:37:23 2005 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Sat Oct 15 15:00:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Reinstalling IE6 on XP References: <43501466.55EF4BC5@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <43513E53.30466DA0@spamcop.net> DougW wrote: > > Kenneth Brody did pass the time by typing: [...] > > So, does anyone know any secret flags to tell ie6setup that I really want > > it to install anyway? > > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/200007/EN-US/ > Your wanting to use /F (fix) option Thanks, but that's for IE5. However, I did find the IE6 equivalent at I'll give it a try and see what happens. (Of course, there are a lot more switches listed here than "ie6setup /?" shows. That list is shown at .) > Have you tried the update rollup? That might help, but I think > the spyware removal trashed some required dll's. :/ Since IE is fairly > tight into the OS you might want to run a repair on XP. > http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb;en-us;871260&spid=2073&sid=186 I'll look into that if the above fails. Thanks. -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From kenbrody at spamcop.net Sat Oct 15 14:52:30 2005 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Sat Oct 15 15:00:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Reinstalling IE6 on XP References: <43501466.55EF4BC5@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <435141DE.F2B5FCD7@spamcop.net> Steven Maesslein wrote: > > On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:38:29 -0400, Pop coughed into spamcop.geeks and > left this in : > > > A known-good-backup restore is your only hope unless you want to > > let it reformat the drive, which is really what should happen. A > > restore may not overwrite malware you aren't aware is still there > > and might not completely fix everything. > > Neither might a format unless you boot from a known clean medium > (CD-ROM, for example). > > My advice would be to boot off a Linux live-CD, completely wipe the disk > clean with "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda" and then proceed to reinstall > Windows from a known clean medium. Unfortunately... You don't think this person really has a backup of their data, do you? (I know, "not my problem". But I really hate it when people just wipe- and-reinstall without even trying to save the data.) And, being an OEM version of XP, my XP install disks won't work with the OEM install key on the back of the system. (BTDT.) All of our virus/malware scanners say the system is clean. While not a guarantee, it's a good bet that virtually all (if not, in fact, all) viruses/malware have been cleaned off. Unfortunately, it was infested enough that cleaning left the system in a non-well state. DougW pointed me to extra (undocumented by "/?") command line switches that may help the install. -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Oct 15 13:01:41 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Oct 15 15:05:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Reinstalling IE6 on XP References: <43501466.55EF4BC5@spamcop.net> <435141DE.F2B5FCD7@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Kenneth Brody wrote: > Unfortunately, it was infested > enough that cleaning left the system in a non-well state. That's the part that I keep trying to 'splain to my friends who like to surf around insecurely and use spyware cleaners 'periodically'. That infest/ de-infest/ cycle is potentially very destabilizing. My idea is that they shouldn't /have/ to use spyware cleaners; that their configuration and behavior should make it 'unnecessary'. Not that they /shouldn't/ use the antispyware; but that the cleaning shouldn't be 'productive' of infestations, ie they shouldn't be deinfesting, just checking and finding themselves clean. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From kenbrody at spamcop.net Sat Oct 15 16:31:22 2005 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Sat Oct 15 16:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Reinstalling IE6 on XP References: <43501466.55EF4BC5@spamcop.net> <435141DE.F2B5FCD7@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <4351590A.AF6E3A15@spamcop.net> Mike Easter wrote: > > Kenneth Brody wrote: > > > Unfortunately, it was infested > > enough that cleaning left the system in a non-well state. > > That's the part that I keep trying to 'splain to my friends who like to > surf around insecurely and use spyware cleaners 'periodically'. That > infest/ de-infest/ cycle is potentially very destabilizing. My idea is > that they shouldn't /have/ to use spyware cleaners; that their > configuration and behavior should make it 'unnecessary'. > > Not that they /shouldn't/ use the antispyware; but that the cleaning > shouldn't be 'productive' of infestations, ie they shouldn't be > deinfesting, just checking and finding themselves clean. Well, every system that we've gotten in to work on for the past year or so that has been attached to the 'net has had some level of infestation. The dialup ones less so, but they still have _something_. (And some of them show that Windows Update was last run... never.) On one system, SpySweeper reported over 57,000 (!!!) spyware traces. -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From nobody at nowhere.invalid Sun Oct 16 01:24:14 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Sat Oct 15 18:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Reinstalling IE6 on XP References: <43501466.55EF4BC5@spamcop.net> <435141DE.F2B5FCD7@spamcop.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:52:30 -0400, Kenneth Brody coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in <435141DE.F2B5FCD7@spamcop.net>: > Unfortunately... > > You don't think this person really has a backup of their data, do you? > (I know, "not my problem". But I really hate it when people just wipe- > and-reinstall without even trying to save the data.) A backup performed while a machine is infested with viruses is more than likely to reinfect the machine when restored. So, even if there was a backup somewhere, it's potentially worse than useless: dangerous for a clean system. > And, being an OEM version of XP, my XP install disks won't work with the > OEM install key on the back of the system. (BTDT.) Well, that's what you get for dealing with a software editor that couldn't care less about users' problems as long as the dosh keeps rolling in. XP is a con, nothing more, nothing less, if you can't even reinstall your OEM version for which you *paid* for a license. Note that you wouldn't even be in the situation where you might have to reinstall it if it wasn't such a heap of crap that gets infected so easily in the first place. Ughh... Micro$plat really makes me sick sometimes. -- Steve If a listener nods his head when you're explaining your program, wake him up. From kenbrody at spamcop.net Sat Oct 15 21:24:46 2005 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Sat Oct 15 20:30:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Reinstalling IE6 on XP References: <43501466.55EF4BC5@spamcop.net> <435141DE.F2B5FCD7@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <43519DCE.F4FDE046@spamcop.net> Steven Maesslein wrote: [...] > > Unfortunately... > > > > You don't think this person really has a backup of their data, do you? > > (I know, "not my problem". But I really hate it when people just wipe- > > and-reinstall without even trying to save the data.) > > A backup performed while a machine is infested with viruses is more than > likely to reinfect the machine when restored. > > So, even if there was a backup somewhere, it's potentially worse than > useless: dangerous for a clean system. ... unless you know to restore just the data. (And re-clean afterwards, just in case.) > > And, being an OEM version of XP, my XP install disks won't work with the > > OEM install key on the back of the system. (BTDT.) > > Well, that's what you get for dealing with a software editor that > couldn't care less about users' problems as long as the dosh keeps > rolling in. XP is a con, nothing more, nothing less, if you can't even > reinstall your OEM version for which you *paid* for a license. Note that > you wouldn't even be in the situation where you might have to reinstall > it if it wasn't such a heap of crap that gets infected so easily in the > first place. Ughh... Micro$plat really makes me sick sometimes. Well, you _can_ reinstall it, _if_ you have the OEM install disks which came with the system. (What are the odds of that? We know enough to make a baggie with all of the disks that come with systems we buy and to keep them in a safe place. Other people seem to go on the "gee, I think I still have them somewhere" approach.) I don't know (yet) if one manufacturer's OEM disks will work with another OEM's key. Besides, cleaning up the mess helps pay the cookie bills. :-) -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Oct 15 18:34:36 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Oct 15 20:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Reinstalling IE6 on XP References: <43501466.55EF4BC5@spamcop.net> <435141DE.F2B5FCD7@spamcop.net> <43519DCE.F4FDE046@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Kenneth Brody wrote: > I don't know (yet) if one manufacturer's OEM disks will work with > another OEM's key. I don't know about XP, but way back as far as 95 or 98, typically HP OEM Win disks would look for HP hardware or they wouldn't cooperate. I would think that XP would be much more severe about all that; ie they would look for a specific HP hardware family -- as a separate issue from how the hardware recognition business goes later down the line when there is correlation between the key and the registration hardware information. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at nowhere.invalid Sun Oct 16 12:26:29 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Sun Oct 16 05:30:16 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Reinstalling IE6 on XP References: <43501466.55EF4BC5@spamcop.net> <435141DE.F2B5FCD7@spamcop.net> <43519DCE.F4FDE046@spamcop.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 20:24:46 -0400, Kenneth Brody coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in <43519DCE.F4FDE046@spamcop.net>: > Well, you _can_ reinstall it, _if_ you have the OEM install disks which > came with the system. In the beginning of XP-OEM, M$ forbade OEMs from giving out a CD. If you're lucky you had a "back to factory settings" partition on the hard disk that could be used to bring the machine back to its brand new state. -- Steve The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Oct 16 15:21:11 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Maxx Excaliber) Date: Sun Oct 16 14:25:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] PuTTY issue in Windows ME Message-ID: Having an issue with PuTTY... My wife is running Windows ME (I know... it's a piece of crap O/S, and that may be the issue... just can't afford to buy XP yet...) and whenever I initiate an SSH tunnel with PuTTY (currently 0.58 version) if I leave the tunnel open for an extended period of time (at least 24 hours) I tend to have to forcibly reboot her PC due to numerous blue-screen errors. Methinks there may be a memory leak or something, which causes some necessary apps (user.exe, etc) to get "stepped on" in memory... Anyone else seen anything similar? -- Maxx Excaliber mrmaxx@spamcop.net Just a user, NOT an Admin/Deputy From 35zyuhr02 at sneakemail.com Sun Oct 16 20:54:25 2005 From: 35zyuhr02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Sun Oct 16 14:55:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: PuTTY issue in Windows ME In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maxx Excaliber wrote: > Having an issue with PuTTY... My wife is running Windows ME (I know... > it's a piece of crap O/S, and that may be the issue... just can't afford > to buy XP yet...) and whenever I initiate an SSH tunnel with PuTTY > (currently 0.58 version) if I leave the tunnel open for an extended period > of time (at least 24 hours) I tend to have to forcibly reboot her PC due > to numerous blue-screen errors. > Methinks there may be a memory leak or something, which causes some > necessary apps (user.exe, etc) to get "stepped on" in memory... Anyone > else seen anything similar? I've used the SSH Communications client (free for non-commercial use) for a long time and have left tunnels open for days at a time without any sort of problem. http://ftp.ssh.com/pub/ssh/ You could always try a different client and see if the problem goes away. If it doesn't, it might point to a different problem and if it does, then that's great. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Sun Oct 16 22:20:31 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Sun Oct 16 15:25:15 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: PuTTY issue in Windows ME References: Message-ID: On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:54:25 +0100, Mr K. Mean coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > You could always try a different client and see if the problem goes > away. If it doesn't, it might point to a different problem and if it > does, then that's great. For example, the combo of CygWin and OpenSSH should work. -- Steve Television -- a medium. So called because it is neither rare nor well done. -- Ernie Kovacs From 35zyuhr02 at sneakemail.com Sun Oct 16 23:26:26 2005 From: 35zyuhr02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Sun Oct 16 17:30:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: PuTTY issue in Windows ME In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steven Maesslein wrote: > On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:54:25 +0100, Mr K. Mean coughed into > spamcop.geeks and left this in : > >> You could always try a different client and see if the problem goes >> away. If it doesn't, it might point to a different problem and if it >> does, then that's great. > > For example, the combo of CygWin and OpenSSH should work. Well, I meant the client from ssh.com can do all of it, ssh, tunneling, graphical sftp client, etc. It is one of the probably five or so programs that I use every day. From kenbrody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 17 11:22:33 2005 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Mon Oct 17 13:10:53 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Reinstalling IE6 on XP References: <43501466.55EF4BC5@spamcop.net> <435141DE.F2B5FCD7@spamcop.net> <43519DCE.F4FDE046@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <4353B3A9.84A9F1FD@spamcop.net> Steven Maesslein wrote: > > On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 20:24:46 -0400, Kenneth Brody coughed into > spamcop.geeks and left this in <43519DCE.F4FDE046@spamcop.net>: > > > Well, you _can_ reinstall it, _if_ you have the OEM install disks which > > came with the system. > > In the beginning of XP-OEM, M$ forbade OEMs from giving out a CD. If > you're lucky you had a "back to factory settings" partition on the hard > disk that could be used to bring the machine back to its brand new > state. The "recovery" partition now includes a utility that will let you make one set of DVDs (yes, plural) if you want. The spin is that not giving you disks means that you can't lose them. (Unless the partition goes bad, in which case you're SOL. But they forget to mention that part.) -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From nobody at nowhere.invalid Mon Oct 17 21:08:16 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Mon Oct 17 14:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Reinstalling IE6 on XP References: <43501466.55EF4BC5@spamcop.net> <435141DE.F2B5FCD7@spamcop.net> <43519DCE.F4FDE046@spamcop.net> <4353B3A9.84A9F1FD@spamcop.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:22:33 -0400, Kenneth Brody coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in <4353B3A9.84A9F1FD@spamcop.net>: > The "recovery" partition now includes a utility that will let you make > one set of DVDs (yes, plural) if you want. Blank DVDs are cheap (I get them at about 35c a pop by buying them by the 100) so people would be silly not to. Especially as it's possible to do a bitwise clone of them using standard Unix tools if the provided software doesn't allow creating more than one copy. > The spin is that not giving you disks means that you can't lose them. Translation: we make big savings by not including 2 DVD-ROMs with the hundreds of thousands of units we sell yearly - and Billy Boy told us not to anyway or we'd lose our OEM preferential tariffs. > (Unless the partition goes bad, in which case you're SOL. But they > forget to mention that part.) Quite - which is why I think it's nothing but a rip-off. -- Steve "I once had a rose named after me and I was very flattered. But I was not pleased to read the description in the catalogue: No good in a bed, but fine up against a wall." -- Eleanor Roosevelt From baloo at ursine.ca Mon Oct 17 16:43:10 2005 From: baloo at ursine.ca (baloo@ursine.ca) Date: Mon Oct 17 19:10:16 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Reinstalling IE6 on XP References: <43501466.55EF4BC5@spamcop.net> <435141DE.F2B5FCD7@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Kenneth Brody wrote: > Steven Maesslein wrote: >> >> On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:38:29 -0400, Pop coughed into spamcop.geeks and >> left this in : >> >> > A known-good-backup restore is your only hope unless you want to >> > let it reformat the drive, which is really what should happen. A >> > restore may not overwrite malware you aren't aware is still there >> > and might not completely fix everything. >> >> Neither might a format unless you boot from a known clean medium >> (CD-ROM, for example). >> >> My advice would be to boot off a Linux live-CD, completely wipe the disk >> clean with "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda" and then proceed to reinstall >> Windows from a known clean medium. > > Unfortunately... > > You don't think this person really has a backup of their data, do you? > (I know, "not my problem". But I really hate it when people just wipe- > and-reinstall without even trying to save the data.) What is there to save? ALL binary data has been COMPROMISED. You DON'T want to save compromised data. > All of our virus/malware scanners say the system is clean. While not a > guarantee, it's a good bet that virtually all (if not, in fact, all) > viruses/malware have been cleaned off. Unfortunately, it was infested > enough that cleaning left the system in a non-well state. Your car's brakes *might* work after catastrophic failure, but do you really want to take that chance without getting them replaced first? From baloo at ursine.ca Mon Oct 17 16:46:09 2005 From: baloo at ursine.ca (baloo@ursine.ca) Date: Mon Oct 17 19:10:18 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Reinstalling IE6 on XP References: <43501466.55EF4BC5@spamcop.net> <435141DE.F2B5FCD7@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > My idea is > that they shouldn't /have/ to use spyware cleaners; that their > configuration and behavior should make it 'unnecessary'. Thankfully, Windows isn't the only user-friendly OS on the block. There's cheaper that do just as well or better in the user-friendly part, and the security part. Given that Microsoft refuses to fix the security holes that make viruses and malware in general such a problem, why pay their protection racket to clean up the problem? From baloo at ursine.ca Mon Oct 17 17:01:20 2005 From: baloo at ursine.ca (baloo@ursine.ca) Date: Mon Oct 17 19:10:20 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Reinstalling IE6 on XP References: <43501466.55EF4BC5@spamcop.net> <435141DE.F2B5FCD7@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <03nd23-7c9.ln1@ursine.ca> Steven Maesslein wrote: > On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:52:30 -0400, Kenneth Brody coughed into > spamcop.geeks and left this in <435141DE.F2B5FCD7@spamcop.net>: > >> Unfortunately... >> >> You don't think this person really has a backup of their data, do you? >> (I know, "not my problem". But I really hate it when people just wipe- >> and-reinstall without even trying to save the data.) > > A backup performed while a machine is infested with viruses is more than > likely to reinfect the machine when restored. > > So, even if there was a backup somewhere, it's potentially worse than > useless: dangerous for a clean system. Why are you backing up compromised systems to begin with? Your backups should be your known clean source. If not, your backup strategy sucks horribly; consider daily backups. > Ughh... Micro$plat really makes me sick sometimes. Stop being their customer? :o) From nobody at nowhere.invalid Tue Oct 18 10:37:37 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Tue Oct 18 03:40:40 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Reinstalling IE6 on XP References: <43501466.55EF4BC5@spamcop.net> <435141DE.F2B5FCD7@spamcop.net> <03nd23-7c9.ln1@ursine.ca> Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:01:20 -0700, baloo@ursine.ca coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in <03nd23-7c9.ln1@ursine.ca>: >> Ughh... Micro$plat really makes me sick sometimes. > > Stop being their customer? :o) I haven't been their sucker^W customer for 6 years or so now. They still make me sick, though. -- Steve BASIC: A programming language. Related to certain social diseases in that those who have it will not admit it in polite company. From SC.10.myspamgobbler at spamcowboy.net Tue Oct 18 06:22:55 2005 From: SC.10.myspamgobbler at spamcowboy.net (Brian) Date: Tue Oct 18 08:25:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Reinstalling IE6 on XP In-Reply-To: <43501466.55EF4BC5@spamcop.net> References: <43501466.55EF4BC5@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Kenneth Brody wrote: > Does anyone here know how to force a reinstall of IE6 on an XP box? > > We have a box (not one of ours, of course) that was highly infested with > spyware, which we have managed to clean. Unfortunately, the system was > so infested, that IE6 is now unusable. (More so than usual. :-) > > For example, JavaScript no longer runs, and the Windows Update page shows > completely blank because it's not running ActiveX. I have checked the > security settings, and they are set to allow both. I have followed the > Microsoft KB advice and added the two Windows Update sites to the "trusted > sites" list, but to no avail. (Please, let's not turn this into a thread > about security and JS/AX.) > > I have tried simply reinstalling IE6, but it tells me that I already have > a later version installed. (This _is_ the latest install.) I tweaked > the registry at "HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer" to pretend > that I don't have "6.0.2900.2180", but "6.0.0001.0001" instead. (I also > changed "62900.2180" to "60001.0001".) The install now goes further, but > then fails with the same "you have a later version" message, so there is > obviously a second place that the install checks for version number later > on. > > So, does anyone know any secret flags to tell ie6setup that I really want > it to install anyway? > One method that I have used is to uninstall and reinstall SP2. Also, I've been seeing more rootkits lately, so you may want to scan for them. -- Brian SC.10.myspamgobbler@spamcowboy.net From kenbrody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 18 18:37:47 2005 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Tue Oct 18 19:05:24 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Reinstalling IE6 on XP References: <43501466.55EF4BC5@spamcop.net> <435141DE.F2B5FCD7@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <43556B2B.915BE10F@spamcop.net> baloo@ursine.ca wrote: > > Kenneth Brody wrote: [...] > > You don't think this person really has a backup of their data, do you? > > (I know, "not my problem". But I really hate it when people just wipe- > > and-reinstall without even trying to save the data.) > > What is there to save? ALL binary data has been COMPROMISED. You > DON'T want to save compromised data. So whenever you encounter a worm/virus on a system, you wipe the drive, reinstall O/S and apps, and re-type all of your word processing documents, speadsheets, accounting data, and so on, from scratch? Oh, and let's not forget the warranty service places that fix a broken laptop[1] DVD drive by replacing the DVD drive and doing a wipe/restore the hard drive. (Of course, they offered to backup the hard drive for an additional $50 fee, if we wanted.) Why wipe the hard drive for a simply DVD drive swap? "SOP". > > All of our virus/malware scanners say the system is clean. While not a > > guarantee, it's a good bet that virtually all (if not, in fact, all) > > viruses/malware have been cleaned off. Unfortunately, it was infested > > enough that cleaning left the system in a non-well state. > > Your car's brakes *might* work after catastrophic failure, but do you > really want to take that chance without getting them replaced first? No. But I don't have to replace the tires, seat covers, radio, and so on, either. [1] We don't have the parts to fix laptop hardware, as they're usually custom-made for the particular model. Desktop units we do ourselves. -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From baloo at ursine.ca Tue Oct 18 17:46:59 2005 From: baloo at ursine.ca (baloo@ursine.ca) Date: Tue Oct 18 20:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Reinstalling IE6 on XP References: <43501466.55EF4BC5@spamcop.net> <435141DE.F2B5FCD7@spamcop.net> <43556B2B.915BE10F@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Kenneth Brody wrote: > baloo@ursine.ca wrote: >> >> Kenneth Brody wrote: > [...] >> > You don't think this person really has a backup of their data, do you? >> > (I know, "not my problem". But I really hate it when people just wipe- >> > and-reinstall without even trying to save the data.) >> >> What is there to save? ALL binary data has been COMPROMISED. You >> DON'T want to save compromised data. > > So whenever you encounter a worm/virus on a system, you wipe the drive, > reinstall O/S and apps, and re-type all of your word processing documents, > speadsheets, accounting data, and so on, from scratch? Yes, when I get compromised, I wipe the drives, reinstall the OS and apps from a known good source, then restore a known good backup. However, this has only happened two times in ten years. Here's some pointers so you can reproduce my results: 1) Do NOT run an inheirently insecure, improperly documented software. Microsoft deliberately refuses to publish bugs and security issues, or acknowledge flaws in their operating systems present since 1981 that allow the extended proliferation of malware. 2) Make full backups often. Never restore from a backup made after a compromise. If you're smart about this, it won't be possible for you to lose more than a few hours to a few days worth of data. > Oh, and let's not forget the warranty service places that fix a broken > laptop[1] DVD drive by replacing the DVD drive and doing a wipe/restore > the hard drive. (Of course, they offered to backup the hard drive for > an additional $50 fee, if we wanted.) Why wipe the hard drive for a > simply DVD drive swap? "SOP". Now you're just blaming someone else for your lack of good computing practices. >> > All of our virus/malware scanners say the system is clean. While not a >> > guarantee, it's a good bet that virtually all (if not, in fact, all) >> > viruses/malware have been cleaned off. Unfortunately, it was infested >> > enough that cleaning left the system in a non-well state. >> >> Your car's brakes *might* work after catastrophic failure, but do you >> really want to take that chance without getting them replaced first? > > No. But I don't have to replace the tires, seat covers, radio, and so on, > either. You would if you drove a Yugo, the MS Windows of cars. > [1] We don't have the parts to fix laptop hardware, as they're usually > custom-made for the particular model. Desktop units we do ourselves. Google can help you find the parts shops with what you need without resorting to ebay. From SC.10.myspamgobbler at spamcowboy.net Tue Oct 18 22:58:57 2005 From: SC.10.myspamgobbler at spamcowboy.net (Brian) Date: Wed Oct 19 01:05:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Reinstalling IE6 on XP In-Reply-To: References: <43501466.55EF4BC5@spamcop.net> <435141DE.F2B5FCD7@spamcop.net> <43556B2B.915BE10F@spamcop.net> Message-ID: baloo@ursine.ca wrote: > Kenneth Brody wrote: >> baloo@ursine.ca wrote: >>> Kenneth Brody wrote: >> [...] >>>> You don't think this person really has a backup of their data, do you? >>>> (I know, "not my problem". But I really hate it when people just wipe- >>>> and-reinstall without even trying to save the data.) >>> What is there to save? ALL binary data has been COMPROMISED. You >>> DON'T want to save compromised data. >> So whenever you encounter a worm/virus on a system, you wipe the drive, >> reinstall O/S and apps, and re-type all of your word processing documents, >> speadsheets, accounting data, and so on, from scratch? > > Yes, when I get compromised, I wipe the drives, reinstall the OS and > apps from a known good source, then restore a known good backup. > However, this has only happened two times in ten years. Here's some > pointers so you can reproduce my results: I clean up numerous computers every week. Very seldom do I need to reformat and start all over. Which is a good thing considering that I clean up a lot of zombie PC's over the Internet. With rootkits, it's a different story. They basically require a reformat to be totally sure of removal. Of course rootkits came from the nix world. Maybe this is why Paul is so adamant about wiping the drive. > > 1) Do NOT run an inheirently insecure, improperly documented software. > Microsoft deliberately refuses to publish bugs and security issues, > or acknowledge flaws in their operating systems present since 1981 > that allow the extended proliferation of malware. Doesn't your 'inherently secure' software at least have a spell checker ;) Don't get me wrong, I'm not a nix basher nor am I all that fond of M$ myself. Just a bit tired of your skipping record and... > > 2) Make full backups often. Never restore from a backup made after a > compromise. If you're smart about this, it won't be possible for > you to lose more than a few hours to a few days worth of data. > I agree. Backups are a crucial part that so many people ignore. I schedule the backup utility to pop up on a regular schedule to remind people. What would you do for all the people that I deal with that haven't learned to backup regularly? "Oh, sorry. You're computer has the flu, so I need to shoot it and build you another?" Maybe you feel that's justified in order to 'teach them a lesson?' >> Oh, and let's not forget the warranty service places that fix a broken >> laptop[1] DVD drive by replacing the DVD drive and doing a wipe/restore >> the hard drive. (Of course, they offered to backup the hard drive for >> an additional $50 fee, if we wanted.) Why wipe the hard drive for a >> simply DVD drive swap? "SOP". > > Now you're just blaming someone else for your lack of good computing > practices. > Ken is talking about a crook. Why would the hard drive need to be wiped to replace a DVD drive? >>>> All of our virus/malware scanners say the system is clean. While not a >>>> guarantee, it's a good bet that virtually all (if not, in fact, all) >>>> viruses/malware have been cleaned off. What I've found is that by installing a few security programs, scheduling regular scans and my lessons on "Practicing Safe Hex," the level of re-infestation drops to almost nil. Unfortunately, it was infested >>>> enough that cleaning left the system in a non-well state. I've got one in front of me right now that was like that. I ended up not being able to do an OS repair, so had to reinstall instead, which is a PITA, as it had one adult and three children accounts. But at least I will be able to give the computer back with the data intact. >>> Your car's brakes *might* work after catastrophic failure, but do you >>> really want to take that chance without getting them replaced first? Poor analogy. What you are suggesting is more along the lines of "your house was invaded by cockroaches. For your safety, we need to burn it down and rebuild it before you can continue living there." >> No. But I don't have to replace the tires, seat covers, radio, and so on, >> either. > > You would if you drove a Yugo, the MS Windows of cars. > >> [1] We don't have the parts to fix laptop hardware, as they're usually >> custom-made for the particular model. Desktop units we do ourselves. > > Google can help you find the parts shops with what you need without > resorting to ebay. I was about to snip this last part as irrelevant, but I decided to leave it to acknowledge one of the few pieces of wisdom you've lent to this conversation. -- Brian SC.10.myspamgobbler@spamcowboy.net From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 19 11:06:50 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Oct 19 10:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Reinstalling IE6 on XP References: <43501466.55EF4BC5@spamcop.net> <435141DE.F2B5FCD7@spamcop.net> <43556B2B.915BE10F@spamcop.net> Message-ID: baloo@ursine.ca wrote: > > Now you're just blaming someone else for your lack of good computing > practices. > You're bitching at him for not practicing safe hex when you admit yourself that you've been compromised twice in 10 years? LOL. I've never been compromised in all the years I've been using a computer (say starting in 1985 or so). Ignoring tracking cookies and minor things like that. Never even got infected even back when floppy viruses were so prevalent. From kenbrody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 19 12:41:36 2005 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Wed Oct 19 11:55:14 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Reinstalling IE6 on XP References: <43501466.55EF4BC5@spamcop.net> <435141DE.F2B5FCD7@spamcop.net> <43556B2B.915BE10F@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <43566930.9FEDF559@spamcop.net> baloo@ursine.ca wrote: [...] > 1) Do NOT run an inheirently insecure, improperly documented software. > Microsoft deliberately refuses to publish bugs and security issues, > or acknowledge flaws in their operating systems present since 1981 > that allow the extended proliferation of malware. Well, the ones in question aren't my systems, and I have no say about what they run on them. (Until they come in for help, at which time I can at least say "we're installing these utilities before the system will touch our LAN".) Of course, once they're back in the owner's hands, I have no say in the matter again. > 2) Make full backups often. Never restore from a backup made after a > compromise. If you're smart about this, it won't be possible for > you to lose more than a few hours to a few days worth of data. We do. But, as I said, the system(s) that started this thread are not under my control. > > Oh, and let's not forget the warranty service places that fix a broken > > laptop[1] DVD drive by replacing the DVD drive and doing a wipe/restore > > the hard drive. (Of course, they offered to backup the hard drive for > > an additional $50 fee, if we wanted.) Why wipe the hard drive for a > > simply DVD drive swap? "SOP". > > Now you're just blaming someone else for your lack of good computing > practices. We had backups of everything important. We didn't have a "restore the entire system from scratch" set, however. So, not only did they wipe the drive for a simple DVD swap, they "helped" by reconfiguring the system (network settings, domain names, user names, etc.) the way they thought we wanted it. (Which wasn't even close. Nor was it "factory fresh" settings, either.) [...] > > [1] We don't have the parts to fix laptop hardware, as they're usually > > custom-made for the particular model. Desktop units we do ourselves. > > Google can help you find the parts shops with what you need without > resorting to ebay. It's still under warranty. -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From baloo at ursine.ca Wed Oct 19 10:05:21 2005 From: baloo at ursine.ca (baloo@ursine.ca) Date: Wed Oct 19 12:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Reinstalling IE6 on XP References: <43501466.55EF4BC5@spamcop.net> <435141DE.F2B5FCD7@spamcop.net> <43556B2B.915BE10F@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <1f7i23-bup.ln1@ursine.ca> indigo wrote: > > > baloo@ursine.ca wrote: >> >> Now you're just blaming someone else for your lack of good computing >> practices. >> > > You're bitching at him for not practicing safe hex when you admit yourself > that you've been compromised twice in 10 years? LOL. No, I said I've needed a recent backup twice in 10 years. You're just reading what you want to hear. From kenbrody at spamcop.net Wed Oct 19 13:56:58 2005 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Wed Oct 19 13:00:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Reinstalling IE6 on XP References: <43501466.55EF4BC5@spamcop.net> <435141DE.F2B5FCD7@spamcop.net> <43556B2B.915BE10F@spamcop.net> <1f7i23-bup.ln1@ursine.ca> Message-ID: <43567ADA.9EFEA8B7@spamcop.net> baloo@ursine.ca wrote: > > indigo wrote: > > > > > > baloo@ursine.ca wrote: > >> > >> Now you're just blaming someone else for your lack of good computing > >> practices. > > > > You're bitching at him for not practicing safe hex when you admit yourself > > that you've been compromised twice in 10 years? LOL. > > No, I said I've needed a recent backup twice in 10 years. You're just > reading what you want to hear. Well, now we're getting into semantics, but the post in question was: > Yes, when I get compromised, I wipe the drives, reinstall the OS and > apps from a known good source, then restore a known good backup. > However, this has only happened two times in ten years. As worded, the "this" in "this has only happened two times in ten years" refers to "when I get compromised". -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Oct 21 15:58:40 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Fri Oct 21 15:05:27 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Maintenance Window 10/21/2005 -- Effective Immediately Message-ID: We are starting a maintenance window to update portions of the reporting system. This will not effect the SpamCop mail system. 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From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Oct 22 18:04:48 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Sat Oct 22 17:15:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Maintenance Window -- 10/25/2005 correction Message-ID: Maintenance Window Tuesday, October 25, 2005 14:00 -0400 The reporting system will be down for maintenance *****10/25/05.****** We anticipate that this will take less than 2 hours. Your submitted spam will be queued by the mailservers and processed when the system is back up. There may be slight delays in processing spam as the system works through the backlog. Thank you for your patience. The email system is not affected and will operate as usual Sorry the original text had a fat finger -- the maint window is not 12/25 but 10/25 -- sigh. And I really *do* read this stuff before I post it :-( Ellen SpamCop From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Oct 25 14:55:05 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Oct 25 14:00:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Question on pass word process for Dreamweaver 4 Message-ID: I using DW 4 (old machine) wife is using DW MX I want to up load some preliminary stuff to a web site for restricted review via user name and pass word. I've read the books we have and poked around google et al ... Where can I find an how to tutor? From pantheus at suespammers.org Tue Oct 25 20:35:09 2005 From: pantheus at suespammers.org (Ken Knull) Date: Tue Oct 25 15:40:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Question on pass word process for Dreamweaver 4 References: Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:55:05 -0400, Frog Prince wrote: > I want to up load some > preliminary stuff to a web site for restricted review via user name and > pass word. > > I've read the books we have and poked around google et al ... Where can I > find an how to tutor? Assuming an Apache server: http://www.freewebmasterhelp.com/tutorials/htaccess/ Ken -- In a world without walls and fences nobody needs Windows and Gates! User #104362 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org From kenbrody at spamcop.net Tue Oct 25 16:16:46 2005 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Tue Oct 25 15:45:35 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Question on pass word process for Dreamweaver 4 References: Message-ID: <435E849E.60EDBE51@spamcop.net> Frog Prince wrote: > > I using DW 4 (old machine) wife is using DW MX I want to up load some > preliminary stuff to a web site for restricted review via user name and pass > word. > > I've read the books we have and poked around google et al ... Where can I > find an how to tutor? Try these sites: Also, some web hosting services provide a "control panel" or similar access to manage your site via your browser, and you may alread have the ability to password protect pages through a simple web interface. -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Thu Oct 27 22:05:18 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Pop) Date: Thu Oct 27 21:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Probably even OT here, but ... here goes Message-ID: I'm trying to figure out just who I got mixed up with . It's not a problem, just a curiousity more than anything else. This all started out as an effort simply to see if there was a connection between netfirms.com and netobjects.com. Well, I figured out that netobjects.com is really websitepros.com, so no surprise there except they don't let on they know each other. I wasn't surprised by that part, but was pleased, because I'd done a lot of bitching to netobjects, and then this websitepros comes slithering out of the woodwork to save my ass and give me a price of $40 for Fusion 7 by Netobjects which I was arguing so heatedly about. I accused them of a bait & switch, which I still think is the case. Then I decided to see if Netfirms was mixed up in that too, as they are where I have a web site parked for a very reasonable cost of $4.95/month and they are the place actually -doing- the bait & switch operation. Websitepros, I mean, netobjects.com, just makes it possible. But, when I whois etc. on netfirms.com, I don't come anywhere near neteobjects, which I expected to do. So, just to sort of confirm the findings on Netfirms, I did a whois on my own domain name. And guess what? It didn't come back with a Netfirms address. Instead it came back with: postmaster@bigpipeinc.com abuse@bigpipeinc.com while netfirms.com comes back with nothing but Netfirms while bigpipeinc.com comes back with: internet.abuse@sjrb.ca and so on and on and ... . These are mostly spamcop results: I get different responses from other sources, most of which are either "no such place" or even more references. For whatever reason, spamcop's the only place that can find my own domain - elsewhere it's all 'no such name'. 1. Is it unusual that, since I paid Netfirms.com for space, that MY abuse address would come back to bigpipeinc? Netfirms is also who I used to get my own domain name ($4.95/yr, $9.95 thereafter). Oh yeah, netfirms is located across the river from me in Canada; figured I could drop a bag of dog duty on their doorstep if I get mad at them, so chose them to park my site at . 2. Is the rest of that missive above unusual or is it just my ignorance showing again? 3. None of the addresses need (though you can use it) "www" as part of the address. http://name.com is all that's needed. Is that an indicator of anything? I haven't posted my own domain name here because I don't want to be accused of spamming the group but I've no problem providing it if anyone wants it to trace around with. Yes, it's a registered domain name, not a netfirms address, but Netfirms registered it for me. Any help for these slowly crystalizing brain cells? ;-} Everytime I learn something, I get all that much dumber! Regards, Pop -- --- No one should ever have to unsubscribe from a list they did not intentionally subscribe to. From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Oct 27 22:06:41 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Oct 27 21:15:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Probably even OT here, but ... here goes References: Message-ID: "Pop" wrote in message news:djrtgc$8fd$1@news.spamcop.net... | I'm trying to figure out just who I got mixed up with . It's | not a problem, just a curiosity more than anything else. | This all started out as an effort simply to see if there was a | connection between netfirms.com and netobjects.com. | Well, I figured out that netobjects.com is really | websitepros.com, so no surprise there except they don't let on | they know each other. | I wasn't surprised by that part, but was pleased, because I'd | done a lot of bitching to netobjects, and then this websitepros | comes slithering out of the woodwork to save my ass and give me a | price of $40 for Fusion 7 by Netobjects which I was arguing so | heatedly about. I accused them of a bait & switch, which I still | think is the case. | Then I decided to see if Netfirms was mixed up in that too, as | they are where I have a web site parked for a very reasonable | cost of $4.95/month and they are the place actually -doing- the | bait & switch operation. Websitepros, I mean, netobjects.com, | just makes it possible. | | | But, when I whois etc. on netfirms.com, I don't come anywhere | near neteobjects, which I expected to do. So, just to sort of | confirm the findings on Netfirms, I did a whois on my own domain | name. And guess what? It didn't come back with a Netfirms | address. Instead it came back with: | postmaster@bigpipeinc.com | abuse@bigpipeinc.com | while netfirms.com comes back with nothing but Netfirms while | bigpipeinc.com comes back with: | internet.abuse@sjrb.ca and so on and on and ... . | | These are mostly spamcop results: I get different responses from | other sources, most of which are either "no such place" or even | more references. For whatever reason, spamcop's the only place | that can find my own domain - elsewhere it's all 'no such name'. | | 1. Is it unusual that, since I paid Netfirms.com for space, that | MY abuse address would come back to bigpipeinc? Netfirms is also | who I used to get my own domain name ($4.95/yr, $9.95 | thereafter). | Oh yeah, netfirms is located across the river from me in | Canada; figured I could drop a bag of dog duty on their doorstep | if I get mad at them, so chose them to park my site at . | | 2. Is the rest of that missive above unusual or is it just my | ignorance showing again? | | 3. None of the addresses need (though you can use it) "www" as | part of the address. http://name.com is all that's needed. Is | that an indicator of anything? | | I haven't posted my own domain name here because I don't want to | be accused of spamming the group but I've no problem providing it | if anyone wants it to trace around with. Yes, it's a registered | domain name, not a netfirms address, but Netfirms registered it | for me. | | Any help for these slowly crystalizing brain cells? ;-} | Everytime I learn something, I get all that much dumber! | See if you can find which state the system is registered. then take the name to that states Secretary of State's web site. Many if not most have the option to search the data base. From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Oct 28 15:17:39 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Oct 28 17:21:14 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] DVD-R vs DVD+R Message-ID: I'm about to go purchase a home DVD recorder to replace my VCR that died a tragic death a few months ago. At 99 bucks, it's finally a reasonable price for me. :) The recorder does both DVD + and - R / RW, so it really doesn't matter what discs I purchase for my own use. However, if I were to record a disc and give it to a friend, it may indeed matter if I choose + or - R. I've heard conflicting info all over the web. Some people say that + and - are equally compatible, some say that + is more compatible, and some say that - is more compatible. I know that the age of the DVD player will make a big difference, but does it really matter if I use +R or -R? From post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com Fri Oct 28 17:51:50 2005 From: post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com (DougW) Date: Fri Oct 28 17:55:26 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: DVD-R vs DVD+R References: Message-ID: Borgholio did pass the time by typing: > I'm about to go purchase a home DVD recorder to replace my VCR that died a > tragic death a few months ago. At 99 bucks, it's finally a reasonable price > for me. :) The recorder does both DVD + and - R / RW, so it really doesn't > matter what discs I purchase for my own use. However, if I were to record a > disc and give it to a friend, it may indeed matter if I choose + or - R. > I've heard conflicting info all over the web. Some people say that + and - > are equally compatible, some say that + is more compatible, and some say > that - is more compatible. I know that the age of the DVD player will make > a big difference, but does it really matter if I use +R or -R? +R is the most compatible format, but the media is more expensive. -R is a cheaper media. That being said, I use -R and haven't had a problem yet. -- DougW From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Oct 28 15:55:06 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Oct 28 17:55:35 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: DVD-R vs DVD+R In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: DougW wrote: > Borgholio did pass the time by typing: > >>I'm about to go purchase a home DVD recorder to replace my VCR that died a >>tragic death a few months ago. At 99 bucks, it's finally a reasonable price >>for me. :) The recorder does both DVD + and - R / RW, so it really doesn't >>matter what discs I purchase for my own use. However, if I were to record a >> disc and give it to a friend, it may indeed matter if I choose + or - R. >>I've heard conflicting info all over the web. Some people say that + and - >>are equally compatible, some say that + is more compatible, and some say >>that - is more compatible. I know that the age of the DVD player will make >>a big difference, but does it really matter if I use +R or -R? > > > +R is the most compatible format, but the media is more expensive. > -R is a cheaper media. > > That being said, I use -R and haven't had a problem yet. > Thx for the input. I guess I'll start with +R and see what happens. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Sat Oct 29 12:34:16 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Sat Oct 29 05:35:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: DVD-R vs DVD+R References: Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:51:50 -0500, DougW coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > +R is the most compatible format, but the media is more expensive. > -R is a cheaper media. Same price for both here. I pay ?7.60 for a cake box of 25 of either. One caveat, however. A lot of the time, the logical format reproduced by these DVD recorders is absolutely horrible. The one I have generates DVDs that, if put in the computer to extract the MPEG data, produce reams of error messages on stderr. Furthermore, if you burn a DVD?R or ?RW on the computer and stick it in the DVD-recorder, it won't play it back (whereas the DVD *player* will). My guess is that it won't play back recordable media unless the logical format on it is the crap format it produces itself. -- Steve guru, n: A computer owner who can read the manual. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Sat Oct 29 12:35:49 2005 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Sat Oct 29 05:40:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: DVD-R vs DVD+R References: Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:51:50 -0500, DougW coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > +R is the most compatible format, but the media is more expensive. > -R is a cheaper media. More set-top DVD players are compatible with -R than +R. +R is more tolerant of buffer underruns while recording. -- Steve Doctors can be frustrating. You wait six weeks for an appointment and he says, "I wish you'd come to me sooner." From borgholio at storymind.com Sat Oct 29 03:36:12 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sat Oct 29 05:40:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: DVD-R vs DVD+R In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steven Maesslein wrote: > On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:51:50 -0500, DougW coughed into spamcop.geeks and > left this in : > > >>+R is the most compatible format, but the media is more expensive. >>-R is a cheaper media. > > > Same price for both here. I pay ?7.60 for a cake box of 25 of either. > > One caveat, however. A lot of the time, the logical format reproduced by > these DVD recorders is absolutely horrible. The one I have generates > DVDs that, if put in the computer to extract the MPEG data, produce > reams of error messages on stderr. > > Furthermore, if you burn a DVD?R or ?RW on the computer and stick it in > the DVD-recorder, it won't play it back (whereas the DVD *player* will). > My guess is that it won't play back recordable media unless the logical > format on it is the crap format it produces itself. > Recording stuff for a friend now...we'll find out soon enough. :) From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 31 18:43:32 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ray) Date: Mon Oct 31 21:45:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: DVD-R vs DVD+R References: Message-ID: > > Thx for the input. I guess I'll start with +R and see what happens. Found this doing a google search when wondering the same thing myself... http://www.cdfreaks.com/article/113