From lujanero at gmail.com Sat Apr 1 21:41:03 2006 From: lujanero at gmail.com (master) Date: Sat Apr 1 19:45:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] JAPONESAS Message-ID: http://linkbux.com/go.php?link=513018 From pete+usenet at heypete.com Sun Apr 2 22:43:42 2006 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Mon Apr 3 00:45:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Good Windows newsreader? Message-ID: Anyone have any idea for a good Windows newsreader? I presently use MT-NewsWatcher on the Mac, and am wondering what good ones exist for Windows. It'd be preferable if it were free, of course. Cheers! -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From MikeE at ster.invalid Sun Apr 2 23:06:25 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Apr 3 01:10:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Good Windows newsreader? References: Message-ID: Pete Stephenson wrote: > Anyone have any idea for a good Windows newsreader? I presently use > MT-NewsWatcher on the Mac, and am wondering what good ones exist for > Windows. > > It'd be preferable if it were free, of course. That's a little like asking the owners of various operating systems which is the best. Newsreader choice is a very personal matter and it also depends on what you are going to be doing with it. The best place to rap about it and also to run into people who could compare some particular Win newsreader with Mac's MT-NewsWatcher is in the group news.software.readers A lot of the people in there have messed with a lot of newsreaders, Win, /n/x, and Mac. And Solaris. And others. I frequently defend the usage of OE + OE Quote-Fix for those who have mastered it as 'OE wranglers'. Not for the faint of heart, of course. And not without all kinds of aids and 3rd party addons like Nfilter for news message filtering, OE QF for regular newsing, YProxy if you are doing any binary downloads which OE can't yDecode natively, and SpamPal as a proxy for its deficiency in handling spam unaided. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From none at domain.invalid Sun Apr 2 23:16:05 2006 From: none at domain.invalid (Anonymous) Date: Mon Apr 3 01:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Good Windows newsreader? References: Message-ID: "Pete Stephenson" wrote in message news:pete+usenet-2E445B.21434102042006@news.cesmail.net... > Anyone have any idea for a good Windows newsreader? I presently use > MT-NewsWatcher on the Mac, and am wondering what good ones exist for > Windows. > > It'd be preferable if it were free, of course. I use Hamster Playground and Outlook Express. Hamster Playground does the caching and filtering of the usenet posts, and OE just displays them. I also use OE's ability to highlight certain posts to quickly find posts of interest. It's free, you can filter on anything you want, and it works well enough for my purposes. I've completely blocked OE from being able to access the internet (it connects to Hamster Playground on 127.0.0.1), and I've reduced OE's and Hamster Playground's system permissions so they're running in a non-administrator context. So, not only does it fulfill my functionality requirements, it's safer than using OE alone. The good thing about Hamster Playground is that you can use different newsreaders with it... if you don't like OE, just switch to another newsreader... but the filtering you've set up in Hamster Playground remains the same... no need to set up filtering in each different newsreader. Hamster Playground works with usenet pretty well... you can also use it for email, although I've never explored that part of it. From no at no.spam Sun Apr 2 23:45:18 2006 From: no at no.spam (Michael Wise) Date: Mon Apr 3 01:50:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Good Windows newsreader? References: Message-ID: In article , Pete Stephenson wrote: > Anyone have any idea for a good Windows newsreader? I presently use > MT-NewsWatcher on the Mac, and am wondering what good ones exist for > Windows. Why consider hamburger, when you can have a steak dinner (Mac/MT)? --Mike From joseph_k at invalid.com Mon Apr 3 00:54:46 2006 From: joseph_k at invalid.com (Joseph K) Date: Mon Apr 3 02:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Good Windows newsreader? References: Message-ID: <89h132hf9afvpus237lcjbkher3qijl0r6@4ax.com> On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 21:43:42 -0700, Pete Stephenson wrote: > Anyone have any idea for a good Windows newsreader? "Good" will depend on what capabilities you are looking for. Forte's Agent 3.3 does a great job for text groups and a reasonable job for small binaries like pictures. If you are looking to do lots of a/v binary groups, Agent probably is not your best choice. Agent is well worth the small price for the paid version. There is also the free version with a scaled back functionality. Agent is also an email client. I have never used it for that purpose, so I can not speak to those capabilities. -- ---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ Joseph K Seattle, WA, USA From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Mon Apr 3 11:25:13 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Mon Apr 3 06:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Good Windows newsreader? References: Message-ID: Pete Stephenson on 03/04/2006 wrote: >Anyone have any idea for a good Windows newsreader? I presently use >MT-NewsWatcher on the Mac, and am wondering what good ones exist for >Windows. > >It'd be preferable if it were free, of course. > >Cheers! XanaNews. Free, versatile, filter on anything, updated often adding or improving features, has it's own newsgroup and if anyone notices a bug in a new version the owner, Colin Wilson, often fixes it within a day or two. Info and downloads http://www.Wilson.demon.co.uk/xananews.htm -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon Apr 3 08:04:37 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Peter) Date: Mon Apr 3 07:05:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Good Windows newsreader? References: Message-ID: Correction to the XanaNews URL: http://www.wilsonc.demon.co.uk/xananews.htm -- Peter Toronto, Canada 2 x XP Pro SP2 (1 everyday, 1 for testing) P4 HT @ 3.0ghz, 2.0gb DDR, 360gb HD "Canopus" wrote in message news:e0qt69$cfi$1@news.spamcop.net... > Pete Stephenson on 03/04/2006 wrote: > >>Anyone have any idea for a good Windows newsreader? I presently use >>MT-NewsWatcher on the Mac, and am wondering what good ones exist for >>Windows. >> >>It'd be preferable if it were free, of course. >> >>Cheers! > > XanaNews. Free, versatile, filter on anything, updated often adding or > improving features, has it's own newsgroup and if anyone notices a bug in > a new version the owner, Colin Wilson, often fixes it within a day or two. > Info and downloads http://www.Wilson.demon.co.uk/xananews.htm > > -- > Rob > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From newandrew at rump.dk Mon Apr 3 12:15:46 2006 From: newandrew at rump.dk (Andrew Engels Rump (formerly Leif Andrew Rump)) Date: Mon Apr 3 07:20:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Spamcop Web Service? References: Message-ID: After drinking 3 Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters, Neo Geshel mumbled in news:e0i7bq$dt2$1@news.spamcop.net: > Anonymous wrote: >> Neo Geshel wrote... >>> Is there a web service that I can connect to in terms of spam >>> reporti ng? What about spam submission? If there is nothing >>> now, will there be on e made available in the future? A XML-interface would be great! >>> I am looking to roll my own implementation of the ???report spa >>> m??? pages, to make them much more performance-orientated and cut >>> out features th at I have no need nor interest for. Additionally, >>> I would love to implem ent it as an AJAX app on my own server. >>> The problem is, the only way of reliably doing it without a web >>> servi ce is via screen-scraping, which breaks every time a >>> significant change to the reporting process is implemented. I >>> would rather not do it via screen scraping, so I am curious if >>> a web service is or will be available for members. It would be great - and it is great! I have build a system which does excactly what you describe - and yes it does break, when new features are introduced and changes made - but that actually doesn't happen that often! You need to use a module/system which is HTML "object" aware, which breaks the HTML up in pieces, e.g., the button: text, name, value, etc. I've made it as in inline browser in an application, i.e., it looks like a browser and acts like a browser, but does much more behind the scene! >> I am just a user, not an admin, but I would guess that Spamcop >> wishes to retain full control of what gets reported and what the >> reporter sees while doing it, and that avoiding false reports is >> a lot more important than "performance" (which I assume means >> "report many spams very quickly"). You are right. My system could easily be abused to report everything on sight but used correctly - which I think I do by running it in either Learn or Unattended mode. When in Learn mode I click on the checkboxes which need to be notified when the system doesn't recognize a spam and the system records the URL's, reporting addresses and my actions. When in Unattended more it just repeats my actions if the same spam reappears in my SpamCop reporting queue. Anything which does not look like something the system has been taught is discarded, i.e., cancelled. This of course will not report that many spammails because most of them differ in one way or another, e.g., a random change in the URL arguments, but I have implemented regular expression so I am able to catch any similar URL's. This just works wonders! >> I went through the same thinking at first, because I get a lot of >> spam and no (almost no?) ham on one address and would like to >> bulk-report it, but I came to realize that spamcop has spamtraps >> that do exactly that without the risk of a false report that I >> would be causing if I bu lk reported or even sped up my reporting >> and spent less time eying each spam. I decided that the best way >> for me to contribute my effort is to report the very freshest >> spam that I see, and to take the time to verif y that every >> report I send is a report of real spam. I think Spamcop needs >> quality a lot more than it needs quantity; they can get more >> spam any time they wish by setting up more spamtraps. The "problem" with the spamtraps is that only the abused mail gateway are reported but not the website URLs. When I have verified the first spam and tought the system I don't want to recheck the URLs again and again! I just want to report it! > The point is, I do all of my spam ???submission??? through a > program called MailWasher. That is the easy part. However, the > next step is to visit the site and click on the ???unreported > spam saved??? link. I catch spam through about 20 separate e-mail > accounts, which can amount to a rather large amount of spam per > day. Same here - several hundred a day - when I am lucky!!! When I am unlucky there may be several thousands!!! > What I *don???t* need, is all of the superfluous information and > extra text boxes that the on-site spam reporting methods provide > the end user with. All I really need is the two or three lines > showing the content of the spam (which also asks the user to make > sure it really is spam), the list of e-mail addys that it will > report to, and the ???submit report??? button. I don???t need the > (often) 200+ lines of detailed spam-parsing info (which still > comes up, even if you turn it off in the options), nor do I need > any of the form textareas that allow you to add additional > comments to the outgoing spam reports. And finally, I do not need > the summary page that shows me where reports were sent - I would > rather the page just default to the next piece of unreported spam > in the queue. A XML stream would allow you (and everybody else) to show whatever you want. > The only way I know around this is by customizing my own spam > reporting pages (which would be hosted on my own server), that > would screen scrape for any ???unreported spam saved??? links on > the submission page, and parse those pages for *only* the basic > information that I need. The easiest way would be via a web > service making use of SOAP or XMLHTTP. The other option would be > screen scraping, which would break whenever the layout of the > critical content that is being searched for changes. If only a XML interface was implemented all your (and my) prayers will be answered! But this will open up for abuse of the system, so I think this will be in our dreams! :-( Andrew -- *** The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of my employer. *** * Software Engineer Andrew Engels Rump * BLIK og ROERarbejderforbundet * * Immerkaer 42, 2650 Hvidovre * Tlf: +45 3638 3638, Fax: +45 3638 3639 * Home: N55?41'38.9" E12?29'08.6" (WGS 84) Work: N55?39'50.9" E12?27'47.4" E-mail: mailto:newandrew@rump.dk WWW http://www.rump.dk/homepage/andrew/ From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Mon Apr 3 12:23:03 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Mon Apr 3 07:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Good Windows newsreader? References: Message-ID: Peter on 03/04/2006 wrote: >Correction to the XanaNews url: >http://www.wilsonc.demon.co.uk/xananews.htm That's odd, I copied and pasted it direct from the site URL and somehow it dropped the "c" in wilsonc. Not sure how a letter can be dropped from the middle of an URL. -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com Mon Apr 3 07:27:23 2006 From: post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com (DougW) Date: Mon Apr 3 07:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Good Windows newsreader? References: Message-ID: Pete Stephenson did pass the time by typing: > Anyone have any idea for a good Windows newsreader? I presently use > MT-NewsWatcher on the Mac, and am wondering what good ones exist for > Windows. > > It'd be preferable if it were free, of course. > > Cheers! Hamster and outleek. :) However, Gravity is a farily good reader as well. -- DougW From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon Apr 3 08:59:32 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Peter) Date: Mon Apr 3 08:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Good Windows newsreader? References: Message-ID: LOL. Is Xana News good? I was recommended GigaNews but at $7.49/month....forget it! (My ISP cut us all off from Usenet a few months ago). -- Peter Toronto, Canada 2 x XP Pro SP2 (1 everyday, 1 for testing) P4 HT @ 3.0ghz, 2.0gb DDR, 360gb HD "Canopus" wrote in message news:e0r0im$eqf$1@news.spamcop.net... > Peter on 03/04/2006 wrote: > >>Correction to the XanaNews url: >>http://www.wilsonc.demon.co.uk/xananews.htm > > That's odd, I copied and pasted it direct from the site URL and somehow it > dropped the "c" in wilsonc. Not sure how a letter can be dropped from the > middle of an URL. > > -- > Rob > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Apr 3 16:09:44 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Mon Apr 3 10:15:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Good Windows newsreader? References: Message-ID: "Peter" wrote in message news:e0r2n3$fph$1@news.spamcop.net... > LOL. Is Xana News good? I was recommended GigaNews but at > $7.49/month....forget it! > (My ISP cut us all off from Usenet a few months ago). > Oddly enough, my ISP has never, ever provided news or email services. From user at domain.invalid Mon Apr 3 10:28:08 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Mon Apr 3 10:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Good Windows newsreader? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 03.04.2006 00:45, Michael Wise wrote: --- Original Message --- > In article , > Pete Stephenson wrote: > >> Anyone have any idea for a good Windows newsreader? I presently use >> MT-NewsWatcher on the Mac, and am wondering what good ones exist for >> Windows. > > > Why consider hamburger, when you can have a steak dinner (Mac/MT)? > > > --Mike Noted on a box of software: System Requirements: Mac OS 9.0 or "better". So we bought a PC. :-) From no at no.spam Mon Apr 3 09:19:00 2006 From: no at no.spam (Michael Wise) Date: Mon Apr 3 11:20:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Good Windows newsreader? References: Message-ID: In article , User wrote: > >> Anyone have any idea for a good Windows newsreader? I presently use > >> MT-NewsWatcher on the Mac, and am wondering what good ones exist for > >> Windows. > > > > > > Why consider hamburger, when you can have a steak dinner (Mac/MT)? > > > Noted on a box of software: > > System Requirements: Mac OS 9.0 or "better". > > So we bought a PC. :-) Nice try on a blatant rip-off and rewording of a popular Mac saying. --Mike From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Mon Apr 3 20:48:00 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Mon Apr 3 15:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Good Windows newsreader? References: Message-ID: Porpoise on 03/04/2006 wrote: > >"Peter" wrote in message >news:e0r2n3$fph$1@news.spamcop.net... >>LOL. Is Xana News good? I was recommended GigaNews but at >>$7.49/month....forget it! >>(My ISP cut us all off from Usenet a few months ago). >> > > >Oddly enough, my ISP has never, ever provided news or email services. Mine does...ntl...that's why I ditched them and went to Individual.net at 10 Euros a year. I have no connection problems now -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Mon Apr 3 20:51:10 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Mon Apr 3 15:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Good Windows newsreader? References: Message-ID: Peter on 03/04/2006 wrote: >LOL. Is Xana News good? I was recommended GigaNews but at >$7.49/month....forget it! >(My ISP cut us all off from Usenet a few months ago). Yes it's very good which is surprising for something free. It must have just been an act of God that it dropped that "c" for the very first time just to teach me some obscure Zen lesson :) -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon Apr 3 17:37:24 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Peter) Date: Mon Apr 3 16:40:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Good Windows newsreader? References: Message-ID: Just installed it and am left wondering how the hell to set it up...I need to know the names of news servers....hmmmm...?? (Thinking cap not working). -- Peter Toronto, Canada 2 x XP Pro SP2 (1 everyday, 1 for testing) P4 HT @ 3.0ghz, 2.0gb DDR, 360gb HD "Canopus" wrote in message news:e0rube$1pn$1@news.spamcop.net... > Peter on 03/04/2006 wrote: > >>LOL. Is Xana News good? I was recommended GigaNews but at >>$7.49/month....forget it! >>(My ISP cut us all off from Usenet a few months ago). > > Yes it's very good which is surprising for something free. It must have > just been an act of God that it dropped that "c" for the very first time > just to teach me some obscure Zen lesson :) > > -- > Rob > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Mon Apr 3 22:21:16 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Mon Apr 3 17:25:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Good Windows newsreader? References: Message-ID: Peter on 03/04/2006 wrote: >Just installed it and am left wondering how the hell to set it up...I need >to know the names of news servers....hmmmm...?? (Thinking cap not >working). Just copy them from what you're using at the moment. It's been a while since I had to set it up from new, I vaguely remember it asks you for names of newsgroups before it fires up properly for the first time. Have one ready, enter it and after that you can take your time. -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Mon Apr 3 22:24:33 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Mon Apr 3 17:25:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Good Windows newsreader? References: Message-ID: Peter on 03/04/2006 wrote: You may find this newsgroup handy: talkto.net - it's the XanaNews newserver for support etc. -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From six.million at dollar.man Mon Apr 3 18:29:51 2006 From: six.million at dollar.man (dwåcôn) Date: Mon Apr 3 17:30:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Gloom, Dispair and Agony on me... Message-ID: My Motorola m25 MP3 player is somehow destroying memory cards. I am on my second SD 512mb card that has been rendered useless after installing it into the player. Am I doing something wrong? The instructions say that the USB should pick it up as removable storage under the branch for the player. Trying to delete using the m25 utility causes the card to go TANGO UNIFORM. I can run a format (choices are FAT32 and FAT) but then the card is just unusable. Ideas? TIA! From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon Apr 3 18:48:44 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Peter) Date: Mon Apr 3 17:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Good Windows newsreader? References: Message-ID: Thanks, I'll give it a whirl. -- Peter Toronto, Canada 2 x XP Pro SP2 (1 everyday, 1 for testing) P4 HT @ 3.0ghz, 2.0gb DDR, 360gb HD "Canopus" wrote in message news:e0s3qh$540$1@news.spamcop.net... > Peter on 03/04/2006 wrote: > > You may find this newsgroup handy: talkto.net - it's the XanaNews > newserver for support etc. > > > -- > Rob > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Apr 3 23:51:46 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Mon Apr 3 17:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Gloom, Dispair and Agony on me... References: Message-ID: "dwåcôn" wrote in message news:e0s449$57p$1@news.spamcop.net... > My Motorola m25 MP3 player is somehow destroying memory cards. > > I am on my second SD 512mb card that has been rendered useless after > installing it into the player. > > Am I doing something wrong? The instructions say that the USB should pick > it up as removable storage under the branch for the player. Trying to > delete using the m25 utility causes the card to go TANGO UNIFORM. I can > run a format (choices are FAT32 and FAT) but then the card is just > unusable. > > Ideas? Where are you formatting it from? The PC or the camera? You should be formatting it from the camera. (If you want it to be usable in the camera). From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon Apr 3 18:54:34 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Peter) Date: Mon Apr 3 17:55:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Good Windows newsreader? References: Message-ID: Just set it up in OE and it worked..so will go from there. Thanks. -- Peter Toronto, Canada 2 x XP Pro SP2 (1 everyday, 1 for testing) P4 HT @ 3.0ghz, 2.0gb DDR, 360gb HD "Canopus" wrote in message news:e0s3qh$540$1@news.spamcop.net... > Peter on 03/04/2006 wrote: > > You may find this newsgroup handy: talkto.net - it's the XanaNews > newserver for support etc. > > > -- > Rob > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From kenbrody at spamcop.net Mon Apr 3 19:17:04 2006 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Mon Apr 3 18:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Gloom, Dispair and Agony on me... References: Message-ID: <44319EE0.CB8CFA3E@spamcop.net> Porpoise wrote: > > "dw?c?n" wrote in message > news:e0s449$57p$1@news.spamcop.net... > > My Motorola m25 MP3 player is somehow destroying memory cards. > > > > I am on my second SD 512mb card that has been rendered useless after > > installing it into the player. > > > > Am I doing something wrong? The instructions say that the USB should pick > > it up as removable storage under the branch for the player. Trying to > > delete using the m25 utility causes the card to go TANGO UNIFORM. I can > > run a format (choices are FAT32 and FAT) but then the card is just > > unusable. > > > > Ideas? > > Where are you formatting it from? The PC or the camera? You should be > formatting it from the camera. (If you want it to be usable in the camera). My camera doesn't have the option to play MP3's. But the question still applies after "s/camera/MP3 player/". Also, is the card unusable only in the MP3 player? Only in the PC? Both? And can you define "unusable"? -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From anthony.edwards at uk.easynet.net Tue Apr 4 11:34:41 2006 From: anthony.edwards at uk.easynet.net (Anthony Edwards) Date: Tue Apr 4 06:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Good Windows newsreader? References: Message-ID: On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 21:43:42 -0700, Pete Stephenson wrote: > Anyone have any idea for a good Windows newsreader? I presently use > MT-NewsWatcher on the Mac, and am wondering what good ones exist for > Windows. > > It'd be preferable if it were free, of course. You might like to try Pan, which runs very nicely on Linux in my experience and is a cross-platform open source solution: http://pan.rebelbase.com/ Download the Windows version from: http://pan.rebelbase.com/download/releases/0.14.2/WINDOWS/ You'll need to install GTK for Windows first: http://pan.rebelbase.com/download/releases/0.14.2/WINDOWS/gtk_for_windows/ -- Anthony Edwards * anthony.edwards@uk.easynet.net Abuse Team Manager * Tel: 0800 053 0588 Easynet Ltd * DDI: 0161 227 0707 http://www.uk.easynet.net * Fax: 0845 333 4503 From anthony.edwards at uk.easynet.net Tue Apr 4 11:35:49 2006 From: anthony.edwards at uk.easynet.net (Anthony Edwards) Date: Tue Apr 4 06:40:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Good Windows newsreader? References: <89h132hf9afvpus237lcjbkher3qijl0r6@4ax.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 23:54:46 -0700, Joseph K wrote: > Agent is also an email client. I have never used it for that purpose, > so I can not speak to those capabilities. Agent 1.9* is the best Windows email client that I have ever used, albeit plain text only (part of the reason I like it). -- Anthony Edwards * anthony.edwards@uk.easynet.net Abuse Team Manager * Tel: 0800 053 0588 Easynet Ltd * DDI: 0161 227 0707 http://www.uk.easynet.net * Fax: 0845 333 4503 From six.million at dollar.man Tue Apr 4 23:37:45 2006 From: six.million at dollar.man (dwåcôn) Date: Tue Apr 4 22:40:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Gloom, Dispair and Agony on me... References: <44319EE0.CB8CFA3E@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:44319EE0.CB8CFA3E@spamcop.net... > Porpoise wrote: >> >> "dwåcôn" wrote in message >> news:e0s449$57p$1@news.spamcop.net... >> > My Motorola m25 MP3 player is somehow destroying memory cards. >> > >> > I am on my second SD 512mb card that has been rendered useless after >> > installing it into the player. >> > >> > Am I doing something wrong? The instructions say that the USB should >> > pick >> > it up as removable storage under the branch for the player. Trying to >> > delete using the m25 utility causes the card to go TANGO UNIFORM. I >> > can >> > run a format (choices are FAT32 and FAT) but then the card is just >> > unusable. >> > >> > Ideas? >> >> Where are you formatting it from? The PC or the camera? You should be >> formatting it from the camera. (If you want it to be usable in the >> camera). > > My camera doesn't have the option to play MP3's. > > But the question still applies after "s/camera/MP3 player/". > > Also, is the card unusable only in the MP3 player? Only in the PC? Both? > And can you define "unusable"? I originally tried formatting from the MP3 device... but the utility would lock up and have to be booted, then fragments killed in task manager. I checked -- this is the latest version of the software. As a last resort, I plugged the card into my HP laptop (has a card slot built in -- kewl) and formatted that way. I can use the card in my laptop and it seems to be readable in my Palm pilot -- but the m25 acts as if it doesn't exist (it shows up in the utility program, but won't accept files). I think the FAT or whatever filing system is corrupt -- but at this point it won't format using the utility. Might be SOL, I suspect... d.c. From joegill at removethis Thu Apr 6 17:17:27 2006 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Thu Apr 6 16:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Gloom, Dispair and Agony on me... References: <44319EE0.CB8CFA3E@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "dwåcôn" wrote in message news:e0vahq$61s$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message > news:44319EE0.CB8CFA3E@spamcop.net... >> Porpoise wrote: >>> >>> "dwåcôn" wrote in message >>> news:e0s449$57p$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> > My Motorola m25 MP3 player is somehow destroying memory cards. >>> > >>> > I am on my second SD 512mb card that has been rendered useless after >>> > installing it into the player. >>> > >>> > Am I doing something wrong? The instructions say that the USB should >>> > pick >>> > it up as removable storage under the branch for the player. Trying to >>> > delete using the m25 utility causes the card to go TANGO UNIFORM. I >>> > can >>> > run a format (choices are FAT32 and FAT) but then the card is just >>> > unusable. >>> > >>> > Ideas? >>> >>> Where are you formatting it from? The PC or the camera? You should be >>> formatting it from the camera. (If you want it to be usable in the >>> camera). >> >> My camera doesn't have the option to play MP3's. >> >> But the question still applies after "s/camera/MP3 player/". >> >> Also, is the card unusable only in the MP3 player? Only in the PC? >> Both? >> And can you define "unusable"? > > > I originally tried formatting from the MP3 device... but the utility would > lock up and have to be booted, then fragments killed in task manager. I > checked -- this is the latest version of the software. As a last resort, > I plugged the card into my HP laptop (has a card slot built in -- kewl) > and formatted that way. I can use the card in my laptop and it seems to > be readable in my Palm pilot -- but the m25 acts as if it doesn't exist > (it shows up in the utility program, but won't accept files). > > I think the FAT or whatever filing system is corrupt -- but at this point > it won't format using the utility. > > Might be SOL, I suspect... > > d.c. > Are you running the latest level of the firmware for the M25??? From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Apr 6 14:33:15 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Apr 6 16:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Recommendations for backup software? Message-ID: Been using XP's built-in backup for awhile but I want something a bit more flexible...something that I can use to backup to CD / DVD, for example. Roxio's Backup MyPC will do all that. Anybody have any experience with that program? Are there others that are better From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Apr 6 17:08:33 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Apr 6 19:10:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Recommendations for backup software? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > Borgholio wrote: > > >>Been using XP's built-in backup for awhile but I want something a bit >>more flexible...something that I can use to backup to CD / DVD, for >>example. Roxio's Backup MyPC will do all that. Anybody have any >>experience with that program? Are there others that are better > > > I can't say enough good things about Retrospect, although I don't > have the latest version. It has saved my ass on dozens of occasions. > > > > (I'm assuming Windows based on your headers) > Looks to have many of the same features as Backup My PC...but costs 3x more. On the flip side, they DO have a trial version. hmm... From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Apr 6 17:49:02 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Apr 6 19:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Recommendations for backup software? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > Borgholio wrote: > > >>On the flip side, they DO have a trial version. hmm... > > > They also have an "Express" version that is cheaper, but doesn't do > network backups. > The express version is OEM only. From user at domain.invalid Thu Apr 6 20:55:04 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Thu Apr 6 20:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Recommendations for backup software? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 06.04.2006 17:08, David Dean wrote: --- Original Message --- > In article , > Borgholio wrote: > >> Been using XP's built-in backup for awhile but I want something a bit >> more flexible...something that I can use to backup to CD / DVD, for >> example. Roxio's Backup MyPC will do all that. Anybody have any >> experience with that program? Are there others that are better > > I can't say enough good things about Retrospect, although I don't > have the latest version. It has saved my ass on dozens of occasions. > > > > (I'm assuming Windows based on your headers) > Maybe the pay-for version is adequate but the one that came with my Maxtor 300 gig external usb is the pits. Won't do network backups which is most essential even in home-user situations nowadays ... bleh !! From user at domain.invalid Thu Apr 6 20:57:19 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Thu Apr 6 21:00:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Recommendations for backup software? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 06.04.2006 15:33, Borgholio wrote: --- Original Message --- > Been using XP's built-in backup for awhile but I want something a bit > more flexible...something that I can use to backup to CD / DVD, for > example. Roxio's Backup MyPC will do all that. Anybody have any > experience with that program? Are there others that are better Been using Disk2Disk ever since it hit the market: http://www.disk2disk.com and the support is great directly from the author Duncan Munro. Cost = $29.00 USD. From none at domain.invalid Thu Apr 6 21:41:25 2006 From: none at domain.invalid (Anonymous) Date: Thu Apr 6 23:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Recommendations for backup software? References: Message-ID: "User" wrote in message news:e14d8a$9oa$1@news.spamcop.net... > Maybe the pay-for version is adequate but the one that came with my > Maxtor 300 gig external usb is the pits. Won't do network backups which > is most essential even in home-user situations nowadays ... bleh !! Yeah, Retrospect is pretty rough around the edges for a home user... it's great in corporate environments, though. I use a very simple program called AllWaySync... it can do folder or whole hard drive synchronization, locally or across the LAN. It's really great when you set up one computer to act as your backup, and have it running AllWaySync, sync'ing the hard drives of the other computers on the network to separate folders or partitions of the backup computer's hard drive. With a 1000 Mbps network, it backs up every computer on the network really quickly. It's also great if you've got a Windows Media Center PC, and you download music on another PC on the network... it can synchronize the music on both PCs so you've got the same thing on both. Or, if you want your Favorites to be the same on different computers, it can sync them so they're all the same, no matter which PC you use to add Favorites. Lots of uses... If you don't use it very much, it's free... but if you go over a certain number of files (not sure what the number is), you've got to register and purchase to continue using it (otherwise, it'll just sit there, waiting for the average files / day or whatever count it keeps to go below the trigger level, so it can start sync'ing again). The price is really fair... I think I paid $29.95. From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Apr 7 12:32:03 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Fri Apr 7 06:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Recommendations for backup software? References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-15B1C1.19254206042006@frylock.local... > In article , > Borgholio wrote: > >> On the flip side, they DO have a trial version. hmm... > > They also have an "Express" version that is cheaper, but doesn't do > network backups. For OpenSource: http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Backup/ http://backuppc.sourceforge.net For commercial: http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,121969,00.asp From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Apr 7 12:37:55 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Fri Apr 7 06:40:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Recommendations for backup software? References: Message-ID: "Anonymous" wrote in message news:e14mta$edp$1@news.spamcop.net... > If you don't use it very much, it's free... but if you go over a certain > number of files (not sure what the number is), you've got to register and > purchase to continue using it (otherwise, it'll just sit there, waiting > for the average files / day or whatever count it keeps to go below the > trigger level, so it can start sync'ing again). The price is really > fair... I think I paid $29.95. > Free use: 20,000 files per30 day period, limit. From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Apr 7 11:03:43 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Apr 7 13:05:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Recommendations for backup software? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > Borgholio wrote: > > >>The express version is OEM only. > > > You don't think you'll ever be in the market for a hard drive? > Not anytime soon. :) From geary at fnord.io.com Fri Apr 7 18:27:07 2006 From: geary at fnord.io.com (Mark Geary) Date: Fri Apr 7 13:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Recommendations for backup software? References: Message-ID: In article , Borgholio wrote: < David Dean wrote: < > I can't say enough good things about Retrospect, although I don't < > have the latest version. It has saved my ass on dozens of occasions. < > < > < > < > (I'm assuming Windows based on your headers) < > < < Looks to have many of the same features as Backup My PC...but costs 3x < more. On the flip side, they DO have a trial version. hmm... You may not need them, but Retrospect has several important features that Backup My PC doesn't have, including cross-platform network backup and backup to a tape drive. I've been using Retrospect to backup my Macs for 12 years. Twice during that time I've had a hard drive die on me, and both times I was able to do a complete restore. Mark Geary -- "It's going to be a tough one Sam...Ziggy hasn't got a clue and the guy in the waiting room keeps asking me if I want a jelly baby." From khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com Fri Apr 7 19:37:42 2006 From: khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Fri Apr 7 13:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Recommendations for backup software? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > > For OpenSource: > http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Backup/ > http://backuppc.sourceforge.net > > For commercial: > http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,121969,00.asp Anybody want to tell me why rsync isn't working for me anymore? I've used this /cygdrive/c/cygwin/bin/rsync.exe --delete -r -ave /cygdrive/c/cygwin/bin/ssh.exe user@192.168.1.11:/home/user/ /cygdrive/c/backup/user for a long time and it works great. But then I switch the destination to /cygdrive/e/backup/user instead, it always copies everything every time. The only difference is that E: is FAT32 and an external hard drive and C: is NTFS. My assumption is that the various permission and size bits are stored differently so they look like differences. I've experimented with different switches, like the --size-only one but even then it recopies the directories themselves, which if you have a deep directory structure still takes a long time to synchronize. I've tried a few other programs but with all of them so far, compared to rsync which takes about 5 minutes to synchronize 2 gigs of data, the other ones all take like 30 minutes or more. From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com Fri Apr 7 15:15:34 2006 From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon) Date: Fri Apr 7 17:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] java and activex problems Message-ID: How do I fix this? I am sure it is related to the MS suggested security settings. I have posted this in the microsoft.public newsgroups without any response. When I click on a link where copy shortcut = javascript:void(0), nothing happens and when I past the link into the address box and click on go - nothing happens. The 'javascript:void(0)' just won't execute. Obviously this is due to some security setting recommended by M$. I have my security setting (as suggested by MS) set so that the warning: 'your security setting do not allow web sites to use activex controls installed on your computer...' appears when I open a web site window. Clicking on this banner does not give the option of allowing THAT site to use the activex controls - what settings will allow a happy medium? There are some sited I trust (most I do not) so I would like the choice. BTW I think that at some time I would get this warning and clicking on the banner would allow me the choice of run activex or not. This has happened on several sites. Is there some setting which will protect my computer from bad things executing and being able to click on java and javascript and activex routines? From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Apr 7 16:29:37 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Apr 7 18:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: java and activex problems References: Message-ID: anon wrote: > Is there some setting which will protect my computer from bad things > executing and being able to click on java and javascript and activex > routines? No. If you configure sufficiently loosely and insecure to let all of the daffy things which you run into on the internet surfing at large do whatever they want to do with IE, you will be configured too insecurely. There are a number of remedies, the most important of which is to not use such an insecure browser as IE which is so integrated with its insecure operating system. If you are going to use IE, you should configure it generally rather tight, which means that lots of things won't operate. I use 4 different security settings, restricted which is totally restricted, internet which is very tight about scripts, intranet which is more relaxed, and trusted which is totally relaxed. Things like OE are configured to run as restricted. General surfing is as internet of course and rather restricted. When I need to loosen for a site, I consider the site, and I do not loosen for all sites which need insecurity to perform properly. Many major sites are in bed with untrustworthy advertisers. So, many times I choose to not let a scripted operation run, or I examine the page's source to determine if I want to let the script run. If I do, then I selectively configure that site to be in the intranet security class instead of internet. In fact, I think that some sites are configured so that you need to be more insecure for the gizmos so that their advertisers will be happy with being able to do sneaky things. Only very trusted sites such as Microsoft's are allowed to be trusted sites. The other thing I do is run Opera 9, which is more compliantly and securely advanced than IE and many pages are rendered much better. Here is a demonstration Try your favorite browser on the Acid2 test. http://webstandards.org/act/acid2/test.html The intro page is back here http://webstandards.org/act/acid2/ Acid2 Browser Test -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From not at home.today Sat Apr 8 01:11:04 2006 From: not at home.today (Ant) Date: Fri Apr 7 19:15:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: java and activex problems References: Message-ID: "anon" wrote: > When I click on a link where copy shortcut = javascript:void(0), nothing > happens and when I past the link into the address box and click on go - > nothing happens. The 'javascript:void(0)' just won't execute. As intended (see extract from documentation below). > Obviously this is due to some security setting recommended by M$. Apparently not, in this case. > I have my security setting (as suggested by MS) set so that the warning: > 'your security setting do not allow web sites to use activex controls > installed on your computer...' appears when I open a web site window. > > Clicking on this banner does not give the option of allowing THAT site to > use the activex controls - what settings will allow a happy medium? Set ActiveX to "Prompt". > Is there some setting which will protect my computer from bad things > executing and being able to click on java and javascript and activex > routines? Not really. Set ActiveX and Active Scripting to "Prompt". Put sites you trust in the trusted zone, where the settings can be different so that scripts will run. >From Netscape JavaScript documentation: The void operator is used in either of the following ways: 1. void (expression) 2. void expression The void operator specifies an expression to be evaluated without returning a value. expression is a JavaScript expression to evaluate. The parentheses surrounding the expression are optional, but it is good style to use them. You can use the void operator to specify an expression as a hypertext link. The expression is evaluated but is not loaded in place of the current document. The following code creates a hypertext link that does nothing when the user clicks it. When the user clicks the link, void(0) evaluates to undefined, which has no effect in JavaScript. Click here to do nothing The following code creates a hypertext link that submits a form when the user clicks it. Click here to submit From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Apr 7 20:12:38 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (POP) Date: Fri Apr 7 19:15:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: java and activex problems References: Message-ID: ... > > Try your favorite browser on the Acid2 test. > http://webstandards.org/act/acid2/test.html > > The intro page is back here http://webstandards.org/act/acid2/ > Acid2 > Browser Test Ummm, I know this will unleash a torrent of kibitzergized verbosity, but ... I don't really see anything relevant about a "test" comprised of their "opinions" as to what the web "should be", nor do I see any substantiation of users, or even alleged users of this "test", or even any target audience other than stark generalities. OK, one browser did get mention; I erred a tad. But: The "test" appears designed to what "they" want the web to be/do, not what it is or even should be. The appear to be no more than an online lobby group of intent without purpose of any specific benefit beyond their own wants and perceived needs. Any test of so far unsupported features is, well, uhh, huh? ... Which leads me to the comment of: So? Regards, Pop From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Apr 7 19:00:39 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Apr 7 21:05:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: java and activex problems References: Message-ID: POP wrote: >> Try your favorite browser on the Acid2 test. >> http://webstandards.org/act/acid2/test.html >> >> The intro page is back here http://webstandards.org/act/acid2/ >> Acid2 Browser Test > > Ummm, I know this will unleash a torrent of kibitzergized > verbosity, but ... I don't really see anything relevant about a > "test" comprised of their "opinions" as to what the web "should > be", nor do I see any substantiation of users, or even alleged > users of this "test", or even any target audience other than > stark generalities. Did you search on Acid2? http://snipurl.com/ov3y -- Results 11 - 20 of about 169,000 for acid2 browser test. http://news.com.com/The+Acid2+challenge+to+Microsoft/2010-1032_3-5618723.html Perspective: The Acid2 challenge to Microsoft http://poptech.blogspot.com/2006/03/opera-9-passes-acid2-browser-test.html The latest Opera 9 Technical Preview Windows Build 8265 passes the Acid2 Browser Test! http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2005/04/29/safari-passes-the-acid-test/ Safari has won the race to be the first browser to pass the ACID2 browser compliance test. Nice work Dave Hyatt. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid2 From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .Acid2 is a test case designed by the Web Standards Project to identify web page rendering flaws in browsers and authoring tools. It is an updated edition of the original Acid test of 1997 > OK, one browser did get mention; I erred a > tad. But: The "test" appears designed to what "they" want the > web to be/do, not what it is or even should be. The appear to be > no more than an online lobby group of intent without purpose of > any specific benefit beyond their own wants and perceived needs. > Any test of so far unsupported features is, well, uhh, huh? > Which leads me to the comment of: So? So, it is a legitimate test, like a lot of other legitimate browser tests, for standards compliance. Currently Opera 9 build 8265 and forward and Safari are passing. The first article link above addresses the fact that MS sez they are gonna make IE7 standards compliant, but they ain't doin' so good about that so far. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From user at domain.invalid Sat Apr 8 09:28:35 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Sat Apr 8 09:30:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Recommendations for backup software? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 06.04.2006 19:55, User wrote: --- Original Message --- > Maybe the pay-for version is adequate but the one that came with my > Maxtor 300 gig external usb is the pits. Won't do network backups which > is most essential even in home-user situations nowadays ... bleh !! Also, forgot to mention that one of the biggest drawbacks to the Express (free) version is that you cannot specify a user-choice folder to store the backup. I choose drive G: to store the backup and it uses the /root/ . Unless I'm missing something, I just went over the configuration AGAIN and cannot find a way to specify a folder to store the backup. And yes, I realize that free is FREE and there are caveats and severely reduced functionality. From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com Sat Apr 8 11:58:49 2006 From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon) Date: Sat Apr 8 14:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] I want to archive oe mail Message-ID: Any suggestions for a program (free if possible) which will do the following to my oe mail: 1 save individual folders I created in oe into individual archived folders. 2 allow the archived mail to be read (and appear) like it did when I received it. 3 allow me to open each archived mail in an oe like environment. 4 archived mail to contain the original date (header info) and be listed in the original order (usually by date received.) 5 the archiving operation to semi automated so that I do not have to manually open each and every subfolder to get the mail archived (I have many, many folders.) -- A SpamCop user and forum reader, Not Admin *** From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com Sat Apr 8 12:25:54 2006 From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon) Date: Sat Apr 8 14:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: java and activex problems References: Message-ID: "Ant" wrote in message news:e16rl1$mee$1@news.spamcop.net... > "anon" wrote: > >> When I click on a link where copy shortcut = javascript:void(0), nothing >> happens and when I past the link into the address box and click on go - >> nothing happens. The 'javascript:void(0)' just won't execute. > > As intended (see extract from documentation below). > >> Obviously this is due to some security setting recommended by M$. > > Apparently not, in this case. > >> I have my security setting (as suggested by MS) set so that the warning: >> 'your security setting do not allow web sites to use activex controls >> installed on your computer...' appears when I open a web site window. >> >> Clicking on this banner does not give the option of allowing THAT site to >> use the activex controls - what settings will allow a happy medium? > > Set ActiveX to "Prompt". > ** Tried that but even clicking on the ok button in the prompt fails to allow the proper operation - want to purchase something, clicking in add to cart - prompt - ok - next screen says shopping cart empty. So it acted as if I has refused to allow the action. *** > > The following code creates a hypertext link that does nothing when > the user clicks it. When the user clicks the link, void(0) evaluates > to undefined, which has no effect in JavaScript. > > Click here to do nothing > ** On a site that had a 'slideshow' of pictures, the button to activate does show a slideshow on another computer and when I copy shortcut, is shows: javascript:void(0) - so something is happening. -- A SpamCop user and forum reader, Not Admin *** > The following code creates a hypertext link that submits a form when > the user clicks it. > > Click here to > submit > > > > From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 8 15:40:32 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (POP) Date: Sat Apr 8 14:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: I want to archive oe mail References: Message-ID: Well, there's a good freebie called oebackup that works great, and is able to restore, but it's not quite what you want, Personally though I think you should look it over at: www.oehelp.com . It's pretty easy to archive and restore. The only other possibilities (that occur to me, others might have better ideas) are Winzip 10 with its scheduled backup jobs, or xcopy or xxcopy. You already have xcopy with your OS, but xxcopy, a larger implementation built on it, though free, is harder to use but it'll do about everything except windows . Then again, there's always good old NTbackup if you're running XP, which you already have. HTH, Pop -- "Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal." - Martin Luther King, Jr. "anon" wrote in message news:e18tl0$pr2$1@news.spamcop.net... > Any suggestions for a program (free if possible) which will do > the following to my oe mail: > > 1 save individual folders I created in oe into individual > archived folders. > 2 allow the archived mail to be read (and appear) like it did > when I received it. > 3 allow me to open each archived mail in an oe like > environment. > 4 archived mail to contain the original date (header info) and > be listed in the original order (usually by date received.) > 5 the archiving operation to semi automated so that I do not > have to manually open each and every subfolder to get the mail > archived (I have many, many folders.) > > -- > A SpamCop user and forum reader, > Not Admin > *** > From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Apr 8 15:17:44 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Apr 8 17:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: I want to archive oe mail References: Message-ID: anon wrote: > Any suggestions for a program (free if possible) which will do the > following to my oe mail: > > 1 save individual folders I created in oe into individual archived > folders. Your OE .dbx files are in a proprietary MS compression of a proprietary MS db format. They are 'reasonably' efficient if compacted. Naturally there are all kinds of alternative compression schemes which can archive and compress the compressed files more compactly -- the degreee of compactness being affected by how fast you want the compression program to perform its duties - and the choice of compression formats also being slightly affected by how fast you want any further decompression to be performed. > 2 allow the archived mail to be read (and appear) like it > did when I received it. Do you mean to read it with something other than OE? > 3 allow me to open each archived mail in an oe like environment. But not OE? I'm not quite clear whether or not you are wanting to have OE functionality without having OE. But maybe you would be interested in the Express Archiver http://www.fileedge.com/Cat/Utilities/Backup/Express-Archiver.html "fully reads Outlook Express dbx files and lets you view, backup and export mails, news or all attachments in a few clicks." > 4 archived mail to contain the original date (header info) and be > listed in the original order (usually by date received.) If it is the .dbx file you are working with, that will be the case. It will also be the case if you are converting the .dbx into a different format such as one of the unix mailbox or mbox formats. Beware the incompatibilities between various mbox formats. There is also this ware made by MailNavigator http://www.mailnavigator.com/outlook-express-dbx-backup.html DBX Backup - effective tool for regular backuping and recovering of emails in Outlook Express folders. http://www.mailnavigator.com/read_outlook_express_dbx_files.html Mailbox Reader for Outlook Express DBX file format > 5 the archiving operation to semi automated so that I do not have to > manually open each and every subfolder to get the mail archived (I > have many, many folders.) If it were me doing it, I would keep things as .dbx files and develop an backup scheme for backing up the folder of all of the .dbx files, including folders.dbx -- whether your backup program chooses to compress the folder of .dbx files is an option. You will keep things 'tighter' if you compact all of your .dbx folders before you back them up. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com Sat Apr 8 17:03:50 2006 From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon) Date: Sat Apr 8 19:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] hitachi hard drive info wanted Message-ID: I have a Hitachi deskstar 7K80 40 GB hard drive. Does anyone out there have a PHOTO of the logic board which he could attach (as a jpg file) to a reply? The jumper between pin 4 of the data cable and tow pads on the board has become detached from the board - there seems to be no trace of solder where the jumper detached. I need the photo (or a real good drawing of the pads) to determine which pads it was attached to on the logic board so I can reattach it. Thanks. From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com Sat Apr 8 17:20:52 2006 From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon) Date: Sat Apr 8 19:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: I want to archive oe mail References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:e1999j$1e2$1@news.spamcop.net... > anon wrote: >> Any suggestions for a program (free if possible) which will do the >> following to my oe mail: >> >> 1 save individual folders I created in oe into individual archived >> folders. > > Your OE .dbx files are in a proprietary MS compression of a proprietary > MS db format. They are 'reasonably' efficient if compacted. Naturally > there are all kinds of alternative compression schemes which can archive > and compress the compressed files more compactly -- the degreee of > compactness being affected by how fast you want the compression program > to perform its duties - and the choice of compression formats also being > slightly affected by how fast you want any further decompression to be > performed. > >> 2 allow the archived mail to be read (and appear) like it >> did when I received it. > > Do you mean to read it with something other than OE? > ** Not necessarily - oe is fine. *** >> 3 allow me to open each archived mail in an oe like environment. > > But not OE? I'm not quite clear whether or not you are wanting to have > OE functionality without having OE. But maybe you would be interested > in the Express Archiver > http://www.fileedge.com/Cat/Utilities/Backup/Express-Archiver.html > "fully reads Outlook Express dbx files and lets you view, backup and > export mails, news or all attachments in a few clicks." > >> 4 archived mail to contain the original date (header info) and be >> listed in the original order (usually by date received.) > > If it is the .dbx file you are working with, that will be the case. It > will also be the case if you are converting the .dbx into a different > format such as one of the unix mailbox or mbox formats. Beware the > incompatibilities between various mbox formats. > > There is also this ware made by MailNavigator > > http://www.mailnavigator.com/outlook-express-dbx-backup.html DBX > Backup - effective tool for regular backuping and recovering of emails > in Outlook Express folders. > > http://www.mailnavigator.com/read_outlook_express_dbx_files.html > Mailbox Reader for Outlook Express DBX file format > >> 5 the archiving operation to semi automated so that I do not have to >> manually open each and every subfolder to get the mail archived (I >> have many, many folders.) > > If it were me doing it, I would keep things as .dbx files and develop an > backup scheme for backing up the folder of all of the .dbx files, > including folders.dbx -- whether your backup program chooses to > compress the folder of .dbx files is an option. You will keep things > 'tighter' if you compact all of your .dbx folders before you back them > up. > *** That sound like the best/easiest method. Do you mean that I would just make a copy of the dbx files and store them in some folder? How would I 'read' the files (in oe or something else.) If when I read the files, they look like they did in the original oe display, that is the best of all worlds. -- A SpamCop user and forum reader, Not Admin *** > > -- > Mike Easter > kibitzer, not SC admin > From not at home.today Sun Apr 9 01:42:19 2006 From: not at home.today (Ant) Date: Sat Apr 8 19:45:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: java and activex problems References: Message-ID: "anon" wrote: > "Ant" wrote: >> Set ActiveX to "Prompt". > ** > Tried that but even clicking on the ok button in the prompt fails to allow > the proper operation - want to purchase something, clicking in add to cart - > prompt - ok - next screen says shopping cart empty. So it acted as if I has > refused to allow the action. It's likely to be using scripts and/or cookies rather than ActiveX. If you're buying from the site then you obviously trust it, so put it in the trusted zone. If you get malware, then you'll know not to trust it ;) >> Click here to do nothing > ** > On a site that had a 'slideshow' of pictures, the button to activate does > show a slideshow on another computer and when I copy shortcut, is shows: > javascript:void(0) - so something is happening. Perhaps it's a side effect. I couldn't say what's really going on without seeing the page source. From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Apr 8 17:52:24 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Apr 8 19:55:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: I want to archive oe mail References: Message-ID: anon wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> Do you mean to read it with something other than OE? > Not necessarily - oe is fine. >> If it were me doing it, I would keep things as .dbx files and >> develop an backup scheme for backing up the folder of all of the >> .dbx files, including folders.dbx -- whether your backup program >> chooses to compress the folder of .dbx files is an option. You will >> keep things 'tighter' if you compact all of your .dbx folders before >> you back them up. > That sound like the best/easiest method. > > Do you mean that I would just make a copy of the dbx files and store > them in some folder? You would configure your backup proggie to grab the OE .dbx folder/files. Many backup programs do their own compression 'in the background' and don't actually decompress unless you are restoring the backup. If you are planning on automating some non-backup compressing archiving script so that you can do your messing with the .dbx/es without performing any kind of backup restore, that would depend on the 'backbone' of whatever compression or backup program you chose. In some ways, it isn't really an issue of the .dbx files, the way I'm understanding you, but rather an issue of how you choose to do the archiving - as fundamentally a backup orchestration - or as fundamentally a synchronization operation, not really for backup, more for alternative access. > How would I 'read' the files (in oe or something else.) If you like the OE interface I would use that. Some of the other apps I gave links to also have OE like interface. > If when I read the files, they look like they did in the original oe > display, that is the best of all worlds. I don't know how often you plan to create this archive or if it is a backup or synchronization of some other 'clone' store folder. Common advice prior to any backup process is to disengage from the server so nothing is coming in and compact all folders. It might be useful for you to read Tom Koch's comparison of his clone ba ckup strategy vs the OE BackUp program's strategy -- plus other simpler or more comprehensive backup plans at Koch's site http://www.insideoe.com/backup/clone.htm Clone Your Identity (for Advanced Users) http://www.insideoe.com/backup/ Backup and Restore -- Do-It-Yourself Backups -- Simple Backup - OE Backup, free backup utility -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Apr 8 18:02:58 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Apr 8 20:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: hitachi hard drive info wanted References: Message-ID: anon wrote: > I have a Hitachi deskstar 7K80 40 GB hard drive. > > Does anyone out there have a PHOTO of the logic board which he could > attach (as a jpg file) to a reply? I can find a photo of the drive with the case shell removed exposing the disk, but you can't see the board in the other half of the case. http://www.hitachigst.com/tech/techlib.nsf/techdocs/1A28EF08DAC146CB86256ED1006C123A/$file/7K80-2.jpg > The jumper between pin 4 of the data cable and tow pads on the board > has become detached from the board - there seems to be no trace of > solder where the jumper detached. > > I need the photo (or a real good drawing of the pads) to determine > which pads it was attached to on the logic board so I can reattach it. Here's all of the docs at Hitachi http://www.hitachigst.com/tech/techlib.nsf/products/Deskstar_7K80 Document Title Type Date (mm/dd/yy) Deskstar RoHS Certificate of Compliance Agency Approval Letter 04/04/06 Deskstar 7K80 Agency Approval Letter Agency Approval Letter 02/02/04 Deskstar 7K80 Compatibility Summary v1.0 Compatibility Summary 04/22/05 Deskstar 7K80 Datasheet Datasheet 04/06/06 Deskstar 7K80 (Serial ATA) Quick Installation Guide v1.0 Installation Guide - Quick 03/07/05 Deskstar 7K80 Quick Installation Guide v1.2 Installation Guide - Quick 12/13/04 Deskstar 7K80 Photo Photo 07/14/04 Deskstar 7K80 Serial ATA Specification v1.2 Specification - OEM 12/16/05 Deskstar 7K80 Specification v1.4 Specification - OEM 12/16/05 Simple Installation Guide v1.3 05/21/04 Partitioning and Formatting Reference Guide v1.1 07/23/03 -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From bert at iphouse.com Sun Apr 9 02:26:29 2006 From: bert at iphouse.com (Bert Hyman) Date: Sat Apr 8 21:30:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: hitachi hard drive info wanted References: Message-ID: In news:e19fgt$4u8$1@news.spamcop.net "anon" wrote: > I have a Hitachi deskstar 7K80 40 GB hard drive. > > Does anyone out there have a PHOTO of the logic board which he could > attach (as a jpg file) to a reply? If you don't get results here, go to http://forum.thinkpads.com/ and ask around; Hitachi drives are quite popular among Thinkpad users. -- Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com Sat Apr 8 21:24:28 2006 From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon) Date: Sat Apr 8 23:25:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: java and activex problems References: Message-ID: "Ant" wrote in message news:e19hqg$64q$1@news.spamcop.net... > "anon" wrote: > >> "Ant" wrote: >>> Set ActiveX to "Prompt". >> ** >> Tried that but even clicking on the ok button in the prompt fails to >> allow >> the proper operation - want to purchase something, clicking in add to >> cart - >> prompt - ok - next screen says shopping cart empty. So it acted as if I >> has >> refused to allow the action. > > It's likely to be using scripts and/or cookies rather than ActiveX. > If you're buying from the site then you obviously trust it, so put it > in the trusted zone. If you get malware, then you'll know not to trust > it ;) > >>> Click here to do nothing >> ** >> On a site that had a 'slideshow' of pictures, the button to activate does >> show a slideshow on another computer and when I copy shortcut, is shows: >> javascript:void(0) - so something is happening. > > Perhaps it's a side effect. I couldn't say what's really going on > without seeing the page source. > > ** Here follows the source code for the javascript pointing to the link: I have put an asterisk at the start of each line between the s so the line wraps do not confuse you. It is one long line between the starting asterisk and either the next asterisk or the next As you see the void(0) leads to 'on click open...' so it 'should' function but doesn't. --copy-- *Start Slideshow
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serious play
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a new friend
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future lawn mower
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art lover
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cat got your tongue
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---end copy-- From dws at dealing-with-spam.info Sun Apr 9 14:44:22 2006 From: dws at dealing-with-spam.info (D-W-S) Date: Sun Apr 9 07:45:25 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: hitachi hard drive info wanted References: Message-ID: Bert Hyman wrote on Sun, 9 Apr 2006 01:26:29 +0000 (UTC): >> I have a Hitachi deskstar 7K80 40 GB hard drive. > > If you don't get results here, go to http://forum.thinkpads.com/ and ask > around; Hitachi drives are quite popular among Thinkpad users. How do they stuff a 3.5" Deskstar into a Thinkpad? Travelstar != Deskstar From bert at iphouse.com Sun Apr 9 16:20:49 2006 From: bert at iphouse.com (Bert Hyman) Date: Sun Apr 9 11:25:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: hitachi hard drive info wanted References: Message-ID: In news:slrne3hssm.bps.dws@dealing-with-spam.info D-W-S wrote: > Bert Hyman wrote on Sun, 9 Apr 2006 01:26:29 +0000 (UTC): > >>> I have a Hitachi deskstar 7K80 40 GB hard drive. >> >> If you don't get results here, go to http://forum.thinkpads.com/ and >> ask around; Hitachi drives are quite popular among Thinkpad users. > > How do they stuff a 3.5" Deskstar into a Thinkpad? > > Travelstar != Deskstar However, Hitachi = Hitachi; somebody who loves Hitachi drives will use them wherever he can. As I said, they ->really like Hitachi drives over there. -- Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com From not at home.today Sun Apr 9 17:39:07 2006 From: not at home.today (Ant) Date: Sun Apr 9 11:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: java and activex problems References: Message-ID: "anon" wrote: > As you see the void(0) leads to 'on click open...' so it 'should' > function but doesn't. Below is a complete one-line hypertext link from the source you provided: > onclick="openSlideShow2(0, 'en');"> alt="Start Slideshow" id="id4" style="border: none; height: 36px; left: > 546px; position: absolute; top: 32px; width: 119px; z-index: 1; " /> As I said, the "void" does nothing. It is being used here to make a valid hypertext link (href=). The real action takes place in the "onclick" keyword where the function "openSlideShow2" is run. If they weren't using "onfocus", the link could have started like this: and the onclick would have been redundant. When you copy the link, only what the "href=" is pointing to is relevant as far as the browser is concerned. Normally it would be a URL, but in this case it is a null function call. The fuctionality of the whole link is in the other parts. The page should work with "Active Scripting" set to "Prompt" if you ok it. I don't know what's happening in the function "openSlideShow2" because it wasn't in the source sample. Maybe it's relevant, or maybe not. Check that other relevant Internet security zone settings are not set to "Disable". From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Sun Apr 9 21:51:51 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Sun Apr 9 15:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: java and activex problems References: Message-ID: "Ant" wrote in message news:e1b9tp$2me$1@news.spamcop.net... > "anon" wrote: > > > The page should work with "Active Scripting" set to "Prompt" if you > ok it. I don't know what's happening in the function "openSlideShow2" > because it wasn't in the source sample. Maybe it's relevant, or maybe > not. Check that other relevant Internet security zone settings are not > set to "Disable". Or do what I do; avoid sites that insist on running code on my machine (by forcing me to use insecure browser settings) rather than on the server (via PHP or ASP or somesuch). From skiwi at spamcop.net Mon Apr 10 00:42:16 2006 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (Skiwi) Date: Mon Apr 10 02:45:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Any feelings on Windows Defender (sic!) beta 2? Message-ID: Any feelings on Windows Defender (sic!) beta 2? Any advantage to installing it alongside Spybot, Teatimer, Adaware and Spywareblaster? TIA! From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Apr 10 06:47:59 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Apr 10 08:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Any feelings on Windows Defender (sic!) beta 2? References: Message-ID: Skiwi wrote: > Any feelings on Windows Defender (sic!) beta 2? Altho' windows defender isn't on the list of apps at spywareinfo, if you search for it in the forum discussions, nothing bad is being said about it. I've seen some articles which were favorable to it. At SWI, the advice is to disable it prior to running some programs like hijack this. > Any advantage to installing it alongside Spybot, Teatimer, Adaware and > Spywareblaster? How did you go about choosing your 'collection'? Why not have more? or less? Why those instead of others? There are a lot of them. I don't use any. Some people should use a really lot of them, I guess. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From joegill at removethis Mon Apr 10 09:56:28 2006 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Mon Apr 10 09:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Any feelings on Windows Defender (sic!) beta 2? References: Message-ID: "Skiwi" wrote in message news:e1cunk$1s4$1@news.spamcop.net... > Any feelings on Windows Defender (sic!) beta 2? > > Any advantage to installing it alongside Spybot, Teatimer, Adaware and > Spywareblaster? > > TIA! It's predecessor product, Microsoft Anti-Spyware Beta 1, found 9 trojans that the following combo of software was oblivious to: Norton Antivirus 2005 Spybot 1.5 Ad-Aware The trojans at the time had combined to hijack the home pack with a porn page after a delay of a about 1 minute after startup. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Apr 10 09:58:37 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Apr 10 09:00:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: java and activex problems References: Message-ID: Ant wrote: > > Is there some setting which will protect my computer from bad things > > executing and being able to click on java and javascript and activex > > routines? > > Not really. Set ActiveX and Active Scripting to "Prompt". Put sites > you trust in the trusted zone, where the settings can be different so > that scripts will run. That doesn't always work. There are/used to be active-X ads on the Yahoo Finance Boards, I threw everything including the kitchen sink at the problem and could never get the "your setting prevents active-x from executing" prompt to disappear. Had to manually close the box with each post I read. Royal PITA. Haven't had that happen lately though, perhaps Yahoo has changed the way they insert ads? From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon Apr 10 10:12:58 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (POP) Date: Mon Apr 10 09:15:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Any feelings on Windows Defender (sic!) beta 2? References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:e1dk5q$diu$1@news.spamcop.net... > Skiwi wrote: >> Any feelings on Windows Defender (sic!) beta 2? > > Altho' windows defender isn't on the list of apps at > spywareinfo, if you > search for it in the forum discussions, nothing bad is being > said about > it. I've seen some articles which were favorable to it. At > SWI, the > advice is to disable it prior to running some programs like > hijack this. Actually, if you check the newsgroup MS set up for it, I think there are some fairly telling problems with it that keep showing up. I say "I think" because in reality they are flooding microsoft.public.security and ... .security.homeusers rathen than using the right newsgroups. I think part of the problem is the expertise of the users, but other problems seem to be, well, relevant. Remember, you wont' see many pros there, only cons; the people wiht no problems don't post . > >> Any advantage to installing it alongside Spybot, Teatimer, >> Adaware and >> Spywareblaster? I use those too except for teatimer; Instead I use Winpatrol for real time monitoring and the system control it provides me. Pretty handy but a little obtrusive until you get it trained. I used to use Sygate's personal firewall but switched to ZoneAlarm when Sygate stopped supporting the freebie version. Turned out ZA had surpassed it anyway, so ... IMO at least. > > How did you go about choosing your 'collection'? Why not have > more? or > less? Why those instead of others? There are a lot of them. In my case, mostly word of mouth and "test" installing them, throwing out the ones I didn't get along with or that seemed to be stagnant. I used to apply them in different orders to see who caught what, and kept a mental scorecard of which ones caught the most hits and the least, moving the good ones to my "keep" status. Winpatrol is my favorite, I think, becuase of all the other features it has. It's overkill of you only want cookie management, but it does make it convenient and gives a sensible control over them. > > I don't use any. Some people should use a really lot of them, > I guess. Interesting. I only say this because I know you're experienced enough to not panic about it, but I'll bet if you download and run Adaware (lavasoft.com) or Sypbot Search & Destroy (spybot.com, I think), that they will find about 25 "hits" for varying degrees of imortance on your system. Unless you surf to a lot of new places often, in which case it might find a lot of them. You don't sound like the kind that will have much actual malware, but I'll bet it finds a lot of trackers, maybe some info senders if nothing else. IMO Adaware and Spybot are the two better ones, but there are some newer ones out there that I've never tried that people speak well of. As always, ymmv on any of them, of course. Cheers, Pop > > -- > Mike Easter > kibitzer, not SC admin > From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Apr 10 07:18:59 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Apr 10 09:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Any feelings on Windows Defender (sic!) beta 2? References: Message-ID: POP wrote: > Interesting. I only say this because I know you're experienced > enough to not panic about it, but I'll bet if you download and > run Adaware (lavasoft.com) or Sypbot Search & Destroy > (spybot.com, I think), that they will find about 25 "hits" for > varying degrees of imortance on your system. Cookie management is an entirely different subject than spyware. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon Apr 10 11:34:38 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (POP) Date: Mon Apr 10 10:35:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Any feelings on Windows Defender (sic!) beta 2? References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:e1dm05$esq$1@news.spamcop.net... > POP wrote: > >> Interesting. I only say this because I know you're >> experienced >> enough to not panic about it, but I'll bet if you download and >> run Adaware (lavasoft.com) or Sypbot Search & Destroy >> (spybot.com, I think), that they will find about 25 "hits" for >> varying degrees of imortance on your system. > > Cookie management is an entirely different subject than > spyware. Basically true, but ... some malware use AND create cookies besides finding cookies placed there by other sites. Wider info dispersal that way. But, I only meant that in conjunction with Winpatrol anyway. Pop > > > -- > Mike Easter > kibitzer, not SC admin From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Apr 10 17:15:00 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Mon Apr 10 11:20:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Any feelings on Windows Defender (sic!) beta 2? References: Message-ID: "POP" wrote in message news:e1dlmq$efl$1@news.spamcop.net... > "Mike Easter" wrote in message > news:e1dk5q$diu$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> I don't use any. Some people should use a really lot of them, >> I guess. > > Interesting. I only say this because I know you're experienced > enough to not panic about it, but I'll bet if you download and > run Adaware (lavasoft.com) or Sypbot Search & Destroy > (spybot.com, I think), that they will find about 25 "hits" for > varying degrees of imortance on your system. Unless you surf to > a lot of new places often, in which case it might find a lot of > them. You don't sound like the kind that will have much actual > malware, but I'll bet it finds a lot of trackers, maybe some info > senders if nothing else. > IMO Adaware and Spybot are the two better ones, but there are > some newer ones out there that I've never tried that people speak > well of. As always, ymmv on any of them, of course. I'm with Mike on this one. I *do* have anti-spyware installed but I can't remember the last time it actually found anything - basically, because my system is so locked down and I don't click links "blindly", so there is very little opportunity for any malware to get onto my system. I'm not saying it's impossible but it's extremely unlikely. Anyone who's getting "25 'hits'" is browsing the internet *very* insecurely - IMVHO. From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Apr 10 09:23:38 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Apr 10 11:25:21 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Any feelings on Windows Defender (sic!) beta 2? References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: >> "Mike Easter" >>> I don't use any. Some people should use a really lot of them, >>> I guess. > I'm with Mike on this one. I *do* have anti-spyware installed but I > can't remember the last time it actually found anything - basically, > because my system is so locked down and I don't click links > "blindly", so there is very little opportunity for any malware to get > onto my system. I'm not saying it's impossible but it's extremely > unlikely. Anyone who's getting "25 'hits'" is browsing the internet > *very* insecurely - IMVHO. This goes back to my post earlier news://news.spamcop.net/e16p4c$l61$1@news.spamcop.net in the java and activex problems thread, where I was talking about browser security issues. I can also turn off my realtime antivirus scanner -- and I do turn off email scanning. I use other defenses against email virms. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From igsmith at spamcop.net Mon Apr 10 22:18:45 2006 From: igsmith at spamcop.net (Ian Smith) Date: Mon Apr 10 16:20:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Recommendations for backup software? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > Been using XP's built-in backup for awhile but I want something a bit > more flexible...something that I can use to backup to CD / DVD, for > example. Roxio's Backup MyPC will do all that. Anybody have any > experience with that program? Are there others that are better Not sure about the CD bit, but SyncBack is an excellent and very flexible piece of software - there is a free version. regards Ian From none at domain.invalid Mon Apr 10 18:14:51 2006 From: none at domain.invalid (Anonymous) Date: Mon Apr 10 20:15:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] New SpyAxe version? Message-ID: Ok, so I got a phone call to fix a laptop that was running really slowly and crashing at times. I go there, and it's an AMD 2400+ CPU laptop, pretty modern, nothing slow about it, so I start digging. I do a virus scan with Norton... nothing. I do a virus scan with AVG... it finds 3 Agobot viruses and removes them all. I do a virus scan with Panda... nothing. I do a malware scan with Spybot Search & Destroy... it finds some of the regular spyware that I see on nearly every computer I work on the first time. It removes all of it. I do a malware scan with Ad-Aware... nothing special (cookies, usage tracks, etc.). I do a malware scan with A-Squared... it finds three malicious files (one was a trojan in System Restore) and removes them all. I use AutoRuns to check what's starting up... nothing out of the ordinary. I remove unnecessary stuff (RealPlayer loader, QuickTime loader, etc.) from starting up. I check Process Explorer and don't see anything running that I don't recognize... I don't see any files using DLLs that I don't recognize. I reboot the computer, and A-Squared immediately pops up a notification that a seemingly randomly named file is trying to access the internet! I tell A-Squared to delete the file, and go online to research the file... nothing online about the file name. A window pops up with an advertisement for spyware removal software (ala SpyAxe). I kill the pop-up window, and check Task Manager and Process Explorer for unknown files... nothing. I delete all the BHOs and ActiveX extensions for Internet Explorer, and reboot. As soon as the machine rolls into Windows, A-Squared again pops up a notification that a file is trying to access the internet! I now realize it's a randomly named file. While A-Squared still has the dialog open, I open Explorer and search for the file... it's not where A-Squared said it would be, even with system and hidden files shown. I do a command line DIR, it shows nothing with that file name. I tell A-Squared to delete the file. I do a rootkit scan with SysInternals Rootkit Revealer... it finds nothing. I reboot, and there's the A-Squared dialog box again with another randomly named file! I open Task Manager and Process Explorer, and they don't see the file. I do a manual rootkit scan, and find nothing... Essentially, this laptop has a file hidden from the operating system, but it's running... the only way you can tell it's running is when it tries to access the internet. Virus scans aren't catching it, rootkit scans aren't catching it, malware scans aren't catching it, Task Manager and Process Explorer can't see it, the command line can't see it... only when it tries to connect to the internet does it become apparent that the file is even there. I wiped the drive and reinstalled, then locked down the machine in my usual way. Looks like we've got a new version of SpyAxe out there... and it's a tough one to remove. There's no 'fake Windows Update' icon in the taskbar icon corral on this one, it runs completely hidden. After encountering a number of the older versions of SpyAxe, I could remove it pretty easily, but this one had me stumped, so I wiped the drive and reinstalled. When are the people behind SpyAxe going to be put in jail? From MikeE at ster.invalid Mon Apr 10 18:45:25 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Mon Apr 10 20:50:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: New SpyAxe version? References: Message-ID: Anonymous wrote: > I tell A-Squared to delete the file, and go online to research the > file... nothing online about the file name. A window pops up with an > advertisement for spyware removal software (ala SpyAxe). Which spyware removal s/w? Name? > I delete all the BHOs You didn't mention HiJackThis as a tool for that. > I reboot, and there's the A-Squared dialog box again with another > randomly named file! Presumably the baddie is creating a new randomname file to be doing the accessing while it is hiding in the weeds. > Looks like we've got a new version of SpyAxe out there... and it's a > tough one to remove. There must be someplace like SpywareInfo.com or elsewhere that would like to see some HJT logs. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From joegill at removethis Tue Apr 11 10:28:50 2006 From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill) Date: Tue Apr 11 09:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: New SpyAxe version? References: Message-ID: "Anonymous" wrote in message news:e1es9v$8ql$1@news.spamcop.net... > Ok, so I got a phone call to fix a laptop that was running really slowly > and crashing at times. > > I go there, and it's an AMD 2400+ CPU laptop, pretty modern, nothing slow > about it, so I start digging. > > I do a virus scan with Norton... nothing. > > I do a virus scan with AVG... it finds 3 Agobot viruses and removes them > all. > > I do a virus scan with Panda... nothing. > > I do a malware scan with Spybot Search & Destroy... it finds some of the > regular spyware that I see on nearly every computer I work on the first > time. It removes all of it. > > I do a malware scan with Ad-Aware... nothing special (cookies, usage > tracks, etc.). > > I do a malware scan with A-Squared... it finds three malicious files (one > was a trojan in System Restore) and removes them all. > > I use AutoRuns to check what's starting up... nothing out of the ordinary. > I remove unnecessary stuff (RealPlayer loader, QuickTime loader, etc.) > from starting up. > > I check Process Explorer and don't see anything running that I don't > recognize... I don't see any files using DLLs that I don't recognize. > > I reboot the computer, and A-Squared immediately pops up a notification > that a seemingly randomly named file is trying to access the internet! > > I tell A-Squared to delete the file, and go online to research the file... > nothing online about the file name. A window pops up with an advertisement > for spyware removal software (ala SpyAxe). > > I kill the pop-up window, and check Task Manager and Process Explorer for > unknown files... nothing. > > I delete all the BHOs and ActiveX extensions for Internet Explorer, and > reboot. > > As soon as the machine rolls into Windows, A-Squared again pops up a > notification that a file is trying to access the internet! I now realize > it's a randomly named file. > > While A-Squared still has the dialog open, I open Explorer and search for > the file... it's not where A-Squared said it would be, even with system > and hidden files shown. I do a command line DIR, it shows nothing with > that file name. I tell A-Squared to delete the file. > > I do a rootkit scan with SysInternals Rootkit Revealer... it finds > nothing. > > I reboot, and there's the A-Squared dialog box again with another randomly > named file! > > I open Task Manager and Process Explorer, and they don't see the file. > > I do a manual rootkit scan, and find nothing... > > Essentially, this laptop has a file hidden from the operating system, but > it's running... the only way you can tell it's running is when it tries to > access the internet. > > Virus scans aren't catching it, rootkit scans aren't catching it, malware > scans aren't catching it, Task Manager and Process Explorer can't see it, > the command line can't see it... only when it tries to connect to the > internet does it become apparent that the file is even there. > > I wiped the drive and reinstalled, then locked down the machine in my > usual way. > > Looks like we've got a new version of SpyAxe out there... and it's a tough > one to remove. There's no 'fake Windows Update' icon in the taskbar icon > corral on this one, it runs completely hidden. After encountering a number > of the older versions of SpyAxe, I could remove it pretty easily, but this > one had me stumped, so I wiped the drive and reinstalled. > > When are the people behind SpyAxe going to be put in jail? > In a similar situation but not quite... I had run not all you had run.... Norton (completely up to date).. no help Ad-Aware .. no help Spy-Bot.. No help... HiJackThis... No help Everyone came back 'clean'... But what was happening, was everytime you connected to the internet... IE would get initial show you home page... Then you would get a nasty Porn page and all sorts of port pop-ups .... What solved the problem was running Microsoft Anti-Spyware, It found about 9 trojans 'signatures' the others did not... Clean up and no problems since.. From user at domain.invalid Tue Apr 11 11:02:49 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Tue Apr 11 11:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: New SpyAxe version? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 11.04.2006 08:28, Joe Gill wrote: --- Original Message --- > "Anonymous" wrote in message > news:e1es9v$8ql$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Ok, so I got a phone call to fix a laptop that was running really slowly >> and crashing at times. >> >> I go there, and it's an AMD 2400+ CPU laptop, pretty modern, nothing slow >> about it, so I start digging. >> >> I do a virus scan with Norton... nothing. >> >> I do a virus scan with AVG... it finds 3 Agobot viruses and removes them >> all. >> >> I do a virus scan with Panda... nothing. >> >> I do a malware scan with Spybot Search & Destroy... it finds some of the >> regular spyware that I see on nearly every computer I work on the first >> time. It removes all of it. >> >> I do a malware scan with Ad-Aware... nothing special (cookies, usage >> tracks, etc.). >> >> I do a malware scan with A-Squared... it finds three malicious files (one >> was a trojan in System Restore) and removes them all. >> >> I use AutoRuns to check what's starting up... nothing out of the ordinary. >> I remove unnecessary stuff (RealPlayer loader, QuickTime loader, etc.) >> from starting up. >> >> I check Process Explorer and don't see anything running that I don't >> recognize... I don't see any files using DLLs that I don't recognize. >> >> I reboot the computer, and A-Squared immediately pops up a notification >> that a seemingly randomly named file is trying to access the internet! >> >> I tell A-Squared to delete the file, and go online to research the file... >> nothing online about the file name. A window pops up with an advertisement >> for spyware removal software (ala SpyAxe). >> >> I kill the pop-up window, and check Task Manager and Process Explorer for >> unknown files... nothing. >> >> I delete all the BHOs and ActiveX extensions for Internet Explorer, and >> reboot. >> >> As soon as the machine rolls into Windows, A-Squared again pops up a >> notification that a file is trying to access the internet! I now realize >> it's a randomly named file. >> >> While A-Squared still has the dialog open, I open Explorer and search for >> the file... it's not where A-Squared said it would be, even with system >> and hidden files shown. I do a command line DIR, it shows nothing with >> that file name. I tell A-Squared to delete the file. >> >> I do a rootkit scan with SysInternals Rootkit Revealer... it finds >> nothing. >> >> I reboot, and there's the A-Squared dialog box again with another randomly >> named file! >> >> I open Task Manager and Process Explorer, and they don't see the file. >> >> I do a manual rootkit scan, and find nothing... >> >> Essentially, this laptop has a file hidden from the operating system, but >> it's running... the only way you can tell it's running is when it tries to >> access the internet. >> >> Virus scans aren't catching it, rootkit scans aren't catching it, malware >> scans aren't catching it, Task Manager and Process Explorer can't see it, >> the command line can't see it... only when it tries to connect to the >> internet does it become apparent that the file is even there. >> >> I wiped the drive and reinstalled, then locked down the machine in my >> usual way. >> >> Looks like we've got a new version of SpyAxe out there... and it's a tough >> one to remove. There's no 'fake Windows Update' icon in the taskbar icon >> corral on this one, it runs completely hidden. After encountering a number >> of the older versions of SpyAxe, I could remove it pretty easily, but this >> one had me stumped, so I wiped the drive and reinstalled. >> >> When are the people behind SpyAxe going to be put in jail? >> > In a similar situation but not quite... > I had run not all you had run.... > Norton (completely up to date).. no help > Ad-Aware .. no help > Spy-Bot.. No help... > HiJackThis... No help > > Everyone came back 'clean'... > > But what was happening, was everytime you connected to the internet... IE > would get initial show you home page... > Then you would get a nasty Porn page and all sorts of port pop-ups .... > > What solved the problem was running Microsoft Anti-Spyware, It found about 9 > trojans 'signatures' the others did not... Clean up and no problems since.. > > It's like how many MS engineers does it take to screw in a light bulb - 1 to hold the bulb and 25 to turn the ladder .. relates to HOW MANY applications does it take to ferret out a virus, malware, spyware, ad-stuff, etc ad nauseum!! From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue Apr 11 11:57:44 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue Apr 11 14:00:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: New SpyAxe version? References: Message-ID: User wrote: >Joe Gill wrote: >> What solved the problem was running Microsoft Anti-Spyware, It found >> about 9 trojans 'signatures' the others did not... Clean up and no >> problems since.. > It's like how many MS engineers does it take to screw in a light bulb Except in this case it was a MS software engineering success, not something else stupid that MS did. > HOW MANY > applications does it take to ferret out a virus, malware, spyware, > ad-stuff, etc ad nauseum!! It is funny you would pick this example for your illustration. It would take one MS application and none of the others, in this particular one case. Not a good place for an anti-MS rant. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com Tue Apr 11 13:06:32 2006 From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon) Date: Tue Apr 11 15:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: hitachi hard drive info wanted References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:e19ivc$6p5$1@news.spamcop.net... > anon wrote: >> I have a Hitachi deskstar 7K80 40 GB hard drive. >> >> Does anyone out there have a PHOTO of the logic board which he could >> attach (as a jpg file) to a reply? > > I can find a photo of the drive with the case shell removed exposing the > disk, but you can't see the board in the other half of the case. > > http://www.hitachigst.com/tech/techlib.nsf/techdocs/1A28EF08DAC146CB86256ED1006C123A/$file/7K80-2.jpg > >> The jumper between pin 4 of the data cable and tow pads on the board >> has become detached from the board - there seems to be no trace of >> solder where the jumper detached. >> >> I need the photo (or a real good drawing of the pads) to determine >> which pads it was attached to on the logic board so I can reattach it. > > Here's all of the docs at Hitachi > http://www.hitachigst.com/tech/techlib.nsf/products/Deskstar_7K80 > > Document Title Type Date (mm/dd/yy) > Deskstar RoHS Certificate of Compliance Agency Approval Letter 04/04/06 > Deskstar 7K80 Agency Approval Letter Agency Approval Letter 02/02/04 > Deskstar 7K80 Compatibility Summary v1.0 Compatibility Summary 04/22/05 > Deskstar 7K80 Datasheet Datasheet 04/06/06 > Deskstar 7K80 (Serial ATA) Quick Installation Guide v1.0 Installation > Guide - Quick 03/07/05 > Deskstar 7K80 Quick Installation Guide v1.2 Installation Guide - Quick > 12/13/04 > Deskstar 7K80 Photo Photo 07/14/04 > Deskstar 7K80 Serial ATA Specification v1.2 Specification - OEM 12/16/05 > Deskstar 7K80 Specification v1.4 Specification - OEM 12/16/05 > Simple Installation Guide v1.3 05/21/04 > Partitioning and Formatting Reference Guide v1.1 07/23/03 > > *** Previous to posting this, I had looked at ALL of those docs, including the one showing the photo of the disks. The docs are all text with nothing about my problem. Do you know of any other forums that I might contact? -- A SpamCop user and forum reader, Not Admin *** > -- > Mike Easter > kibitzer, not SC admin > From skiwi at spamcop.net Wed Apr 12 00:12:45 2006 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (Skiwi) Date: Wed Apr 12 02:15:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Any feelings on Windows Defender (sic!) beta 2? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Skiwi wrote: > Any feelings on Windows Defender (sic!) beta 2? > > Any advantage to installing it alongside Spybot, Teatimer, Adaware and > Spywareblaster? > > TIA! thanks for all the feedback and avenues to explore... From user at domain.invalid Wed Apr 12 10:08:03 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Wed Apr 12 10:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: New SpyAxe version? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 11.04.2006 12:57, Mike Easter wrote: --- Original Message --- > User wrote: >>Joe Gill wrote: > >>> What solved the problem was running Microsoft Anti-Spyware, It found >>> about 9 trojans 'signatures' the others did not... Clean up and no >>> problems since.. > >> It's like how many MS engineers does it take to screw in a light bulb > > Except in this case it was a MS software engineering success, not > something else stupid that MS did. > >> HOW MANY >> applications does it take to ferret out a virus, malware, spyware, >> ad-stuff, etc ad nauseum!! > > It is funny you would pick this example for your illustration. > > It would take one MS application and none of the others, in this > particular one case. > > Not a good place for an anti-MS rant. > It wasn't an anti-MS rant as such but rather a pointed example (humor intended) as to how many apps it takes to ID all malware. It was a question "in general". And ... MSAV is not by far the app to end all apps. I could provide a list of malware that MSAV doesn't ID. There is no app nowadays that will ID all malware. I use MSAV, SB S&D and Pareto Logic's XsoftSpy and they ALL do not catch one or two that the other's do, etc. so forth and so on. From user at domain.invalid Wed Apr 12 10:13:54 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Wed Apr 12 10:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: New SpyAxe version? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Correction: I posted MSAV, should be MSAS .. :-( From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com Wed Apr 12 16:25:16 2006 From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon) Date: Wed Apr 12 18:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: I want to archive oe mail References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:e19ibi$6ed$1@news.spamcop.net... > anon wrote: >> "Mike Easter" > >>> Do you mean to read it with something other than OE? > >> Not necessarily - oe is fine. > >>> If it were me doing it, I would keep things as .dbx files and >>> develop an backup scheme for backing up the folder of all of the >>> .dbx files, including folders.dbx -- whether your backup program >>> chooses to compress the folder of .dbx files is an option. You will >>> keep things 'tighter' if you compact all of your .dbx folders before >>> you back them up. > >> That sound like the best/easiest method. >> >> Do you mean that I would just make a copy of the dbx files and store >> them in some folder? > > You would configure your backup proggie to grab the OE .dbx > folder/files. Many backup programs do their own compression 'in the > background' and don't actually decompress unless you are restoring the > backup. If you are planning on automating some non-backup compressing > archiving script so that you can do your messing with the .dbx/es > without performing any kind of backup restore, that would depend on the > 'backbone' of whatever compression or backup program you chose. > > In some ways, it isn't really an issue of the .dbx files, the way I'm > understanding you, but rather an issue of how you choose to do the > archiving - as fundamentally a backup orchestration - or as > fundamentally a synchronization operation, not really for backup, more > for alternative access. > >> How would I 'read' the files (in oe or something else.) > > If you like the OE interface I would use that. Some of the other apps I > gave links to also have OE like interface. > >> If when I read the files, they look like they did in the original oe >> display, that is the best of all worlds. > > I don't know how often you plan to create this archive or if it is a > backup or synchronization of some other 'clone' store folder. Common > advice prior to any backup process is to disengage from the server so > nothing is coming in and compact all folders. > > It might be useful for you to read Tom Koch's comparison of his clone ba > ckup strategy vs the OE BackUp program's strategy -- plus other simpler > or more comprehensive backup plans at Koch's site > http://www.insideoe.com/backup/clone.htm Clone Your Identity (for > Advanced Users) > *** The suggestion of copying into another folder sounds like the best way yet. When I copy the files from oe into a folder - how do I 'read, search, etc. those files? What is the procedure that I go through to 'do' anything with those files? -- A SpamCop user and forum reader, Not Admin *** ' > http://www.insideoe.com/backup/ Backup and Restore -- Do-It-Yourself > Backups -- Simple Backup - OE Backup, free backup utility > > > -- > Mike Easter > kibitzer, not SC admin > From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Apr 12 16:32:25 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Apr 12 18:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: I want to archive oe mail References: Message-ID: anon wrote: > When I copy the files from oe into a folder - how do I 'read, search, > etc. those files? What is the procedure that I go through to 'do' > anything with those files? We need to back up a little bit and distinguish the 'persona' or identity that you are 'normally' -- where you have your 'own' OE and its files and folders and organizational structure and such -- and the persona or identity that you want to be when you are accessing these 'other' OE files and folders and organizational structure that we've been talking about. I say it that way because maybe that's the way you should do it. You can create as many identities in OE as you like. So, your normal identity has these files and folders over here. Your other identity has those other files and folders over there. When you need to switch identities you just click 'switch identities' Identity1 has a completely different inbox and folder structure and accounts and whatall than does identity2. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 12 16:39:52 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Anonymous) Date: Wed Apr 12 18:40:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Topicality question Message-ID: Should the topic of email address obfuscation be a spamcop.geeks NG topic or a spamcop NG topic? Enquiring minds want to know! -- This .sig was typed in by hand to insure freshness. From jg at coks.net Wed Apr 12 19:47:11 2006 From: jg at coks.net (jg) Date: Wed Apr 12 21:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Topicality question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 4/12/2006 4:32 PM Charles scribbled: > No way it was me! It was "Anonymous" ! > >> Should the topic of email address obfuscation be a spamcop.geeks NG >> topic or a spamcop NG topic? Enquiring minds want to know! > > 12. Definitely. You're welcome! ah, I see... From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Apr 12 19:59:43 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Apr 12 22:00:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: I want to archive oe mail References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Identity1 has a completely different inbox and folder structure and > accounts and whatall than does identity2. Years ago I was a RR roadrunner subscriber with email and newsgroup activity and I save my correspondence. Then I became an EL earthlink subscriber with email and newsgroup activity and I still saved my correspondence. During that time I had 1 -3 computers networked together, in which network from time to time one computer would 'morph' or change into another computer. -- so over the course of a few years there must've been 6 or 7 different harddrives an