From six.million at dollar.man Sun Jan 1 01:44:50 2006 From: six.million at dollar.man (dwåcôn) Date: Sun Jan 1 01:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Just got a Garmin StreetPilot c330 References: Message-ID: "Pete Stephenson" wrote in message news:pete+usenet-C79C12.21054631122005@news.cesmail.net... > Anyone else have any fun experiences with road-capable GPS receivers? > Any interesting directions, wrong routes, etc.? This one's got the most > recent version of their mapping data, but I'm hesitant to fully trust it. I have an older Garmin and it is great EXCEPT when it routes me into a tunnel and then doesn't tell me which of the four exits out of the tunnel to take because satellite reception is lost. For that matter, it loses satellite reception occasionally and that is annoying. But when my mom moved to a one-stoplight town where mapquest would say, "take a right at the cornfield and go two miles past the cow" then the GPS was most valuable. I plan to upgrade when the WAAP is perfected, routing around traffic congestion and accidents. -- The generation that used acid to escape reality is now using antacid to deal with reality http://www.dwacon.com From bar_n0ne at hotmail.com Sun Jan 1 19:30:06 2006 From: bar_n0ne at hotmail.com (Berny) Date: Sun Jan 1 10:35:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Just got a Garmin StreetPilot c330 References: Message-ID: "Pete Stephenson" wrote in message news:pete+usenet-C79C12.21054631122005@news.cesmail.net... > This evening I went looking for a Garmin road-capable GPS unit. I prefer > Garmin over other manufacturers, have a few of their non-road-capable > ones (used for camping, hiking, etc., and wanted something to help me > out for long road trips. SNIP I suppose ownership is fun, but, on the road, I've never had need of anything mire than a decent state map, or int the case of 4-wheeling a good topo or forestry map. I've had some rental cars with GPS and found it an annoyance. And believe me, I've been a loit of empty places between Anchorage and Key West.Paper maps are definitely the way to go, and with my old eyes any screen under 1 foot square can't hold enough information for me anyway. From user at domain.invalid Sun Jan 1 11:28:32 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Sun Jan 1 12:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Just got a Garmin StreetPilot c330 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 01.01.2006 09:13, David Dean wrote: --- Original Message --- > In article , > Pete Stephenson wrote: > >> Anyone else have any fun experiences with road-capable GPS receivers? > > My only bad experience is that many of them seem to have flaky > antennas I bought an external (hemispherical) one with a magnet mount > for the roof of the car, and I never have drop outs except in tunnels. > Don't need a GPS in a tunnel anyways, you always know where you are until you reach the light at the end. Unless of course you decide to turn right or left beforehand ... :-) From user at domain.invalid Sun Jan 1 11:30:55 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Sun Jan 1 12:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Just got a Garmin StreetPilot c330 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 01.01.2006 09:30, Berny wrote: --- Original Message --- > "Pete Stephenson" wrote in message > news:pete+usenet-C79C12.21054631122005@news.cesmail.net... >> This evening I went looking for a Garmin road-capable GPS unit. I prefer >> Garmin over other manufacturers, have a few of their non-road-capable >> ones (used for camping, hiking, etc., and wanted something to help me >> out for long road trips. > SNIP > > I suppose ownership is fun, but, on the road, I've never had need of > anything mire than a decent state map, or int the case of 4-wheeling a good > topo or forestry map. I've had some rental cars with GPS and found it an > annoyance. > > And believe me, I've been a loit of empty places between Anchorage and Key > West.Paper maps are definitely the way to go, and with my old eyes any > screen under 1 foot square can't hold enough information for me anyway. > > Hmm, I see you've never had the pleasure of having a wife who doesn't know her right from left, where she's been or where she's going ... GPS is a blessing, not an annoyance. My wife is a retired attorney which further explains it ... oh oh, here she comes ... 8-) From user at domain.invalid Sun Jan 1 11:35:10 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Sun Jan 1 12:35:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Mozilla question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 01.01.2006 10:16, David Dean wrote: --- Original Message --- > I use MT-Newswatcher as my NNTP client, so I'm ignorant of how to do > the following in Mozilla. Someone asked me how I do it, and since it is > a feature of my client, I was unable to help them figure out how to do > it in Mozilla. > If you look at the headers of this message, you should notice that my > Message-ID header has two pieces of data that point back to me in > addition to the time stamp and other encoded data to make the ID unique. > It is preceded with "ozchzhq02-" and ends in "frylock.local". Is it > possible to do anything similar with Mozilla? > You have no control over the ID in Mozilla as it's strictly server generated. There are some NNTP clients, such as X-News, that allow a custom ID. I'll have to look at the about:config in Moz, but AFAIK you can't. ... didn't see anything. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Sun Jan 1 18:48:02 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Sun Jan 1 12:50:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Mozilla question References: Message-ID: On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 11:35:10 -0600, User coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > You have no control over the ID in Mozilla as it's strictly server > generated. Message-ID: is only server-generated if the client doesn't provide one. -- Steve The First Commandment for Technicians: Beware the lightening that lurketh in the undischarged capacitor, lest it cause thee to bounce upon thy buttocks in a most untechnician-like manner. From pete+usenet at heypete.com Sun Jan 1 13:42:50 2006 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Sun Jan 1 16:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Just got a Garmin StreetPilot c330 References: Message-ID: In article , User wrote: > Hmm, I see you've never had the pleasure of having a wife who doesn't > know her right from left, where she's been or where she's going ... GPS > is a blessing, not an annoyance. My wife is a retired attorney which > further explains it ... oh oh, here she comes ... 8-) Normally *I'm* the navigator when traveling long distances with someone else driving. But when driving alone, that makes it a bit less easy. It's rather difficult to be fiddling with maps and so forth when driving at 75mph on the freeway. :) The built-in directory of locations and phone numbers is also nice. -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From user at domain.invalid Sun Jan 1 19:46:35 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Sun Jan 1 20:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Just got a Garmin StreetPilot c330 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 01.01.2006 15:42, Pete Stephenson wrote: --- Original Message --- > In article , User > wrote: > >> Hmm, I see you've never had the pleasure of having a wife who doesn't >> know her right from left, where she's been or where she's going ... GPS >> is a blessing, not an annoyance. My wife is a retired attorney which >> further explains it ... oh oh, here she comes ... 8-) > > Normally *I'm* the navigator when traveling long distances with someone > else driving. But when driving alone, that makes it a bit less easy. > It's rather difficult to be fiddling with maps and so forth when driving > at 75mph on the freeway. :) > > The built-in directory of locations and phone numbers is also nice. > I looked a the c340 model and I like the idea of the speech feature that says "hey stupid, you missed your turn" .. :-) From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Jan 2 02:22:08 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Sun Jan 1 21:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Windows registry corrupt References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:dp6b8e$hto$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I didn't buy it. It is a company laptop, which is why I don't have the > administrator password. They don't care if they don't have installation > disks. If anything goes wrong, they just reimage the hard drive. I'm > sure I could get them to help me fix this, but I'm sort of on my own until > at least Tuesday though. > > Any of the various Windows rescue methods are sort of not terribly useful > since they probably all require the password. I normally had > administrator access to the machine but only through either the domain > user or as an additional user I added to the local machine. But nothing I > have tried so far allows me access to the hard drive through Windows. I > think I just need to copy those five files in the Windows directory. I suspect you will not be able to recover the existing setup without the administrator password > > So far, Knoppix doesn't allow read/write to the NTFS drive. So, I'm > trying some other Linux rescue type disks that do allow read/write. But I > do have complete read only access to everything, so I know it is all there > and intact. Well, as long as you can read the files, you'll be able to receover the data to somewhere, but it's not going to help you get logged into windows. > > It is XP SP1. I'd say an update to SP2 is a must, for all the security fixes (and others). > No backup of the registry. I could live with the registry being somewhat > screwed up as long as I can login. At this point, I only use a few key > programs on it and those can easily be reinstalled. Most of the data is > backed up elsewhere too but it would suck to have to start from scratch. > I wouldn't lose anything critical. Besides I can copy it all off the hard > drive right now as it is anyways. At least you're not totally screwed then. > > I think it happened when I unchecked a few items to not automatically > start up at login, some of the LanDesk things. It probably didn't write > to the registry right, Autoruns, that is. Sounds you might have disabled auto logon (which would have enabled you to boot up windows without having to enter a password), which means that you now require the administrator password to logon. I believe someone mentioned (either elsewhere in this thread, or in another thread) about some utility that would enable you to recover a password........ From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Jan 2 02:23:16 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Sun Jan 1 21:25:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Windows registry corrupt References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:dp6jn0$mj9$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Ok, hurray, I seem to be back in now. Trinity Rescue Kit rocks. It let > me reset the passwords. > http://trinityhome.org/trk/usage.php#winpass > > But it wouldn't let me copy any of those system files from Linux. But > once I had the password I could go to the Windows rescue consoles and copy > restore points from the System Volume Information folder, the last one was > from this morning so I don't think I lost anything. > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;307545 > > It looks like it took me back to before the changes I made. It looks like > the only ill effects are that I had to log in once as a really low screen > resolution so it scrambled my icons around on the desktop a bit. Well done! Glad you made it! :-) From bar_n0ne at hotmail.com Mon Jan 2 10:17:44 2006 From: bar_n0ne at hotmail.com (Berny) Date: Mon Jan 2 01:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Just got a Garmin StreetPilot c330 References: Message-ID: "User" wrote in message news:dp93jb$umb$2@news.spamcop.net... SNIP > > Hmm, I see you've never had the pleasure of having a wife who doesn't > know her right from left, where she's been or where she's going ... GPS > is a blessing, not an annoyance. My wife is a retired attorney which > further explains it ... oh oh, here she comes ... 8-) > Mines not a lot better but she's lost all near vision From bar_n0ne at hotmail.com Mon Jan 2 10:19:30 2006 From: bar_n0ne at hotmail.com (Berny) Date: Mon Jan 2 01:20:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Just got a Garmin StreetPilot c330 References: Message-ID: "Pete Stephenson" wrote in message news:pete+usenet-D98F60.13425001012006@news.cesmail.net... SNIP > > Normally *I'm* the navigator when traveling long distances with someone > else driving. But when driving alone, that makes it a bit less easy. > It's rather difficult to be fiddling with maps and so forth when driving > at 75mph on the freeway. :) and fiddling with a GPS is better? From pete+usenet at heypete.com Sun Jan 1 22:43:34 2006 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Mon Jan 2 01:45:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Just got a Garmin StreetPilot c330 References: Message-ID: In article , "Berny" wrote: > and fiddling with a GPS is better? Who says I'd be fiddling with it? At the start of my journey, I simply enter where I want to go, then follow the voice or visual prompts. If I make a wrong turn or diverge from the route, it'll automatically recalculate a new route without any user input based on my current heading and location. No need to fiddle. -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From bar_n0ne at hotmail.com Mon Jan 2 11:56:28 2006 From: bar_n0ne at hotmail.com (Berny) Date: Mon Jan 2 03:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Just got a Garmin StreetPilot c330 References: Message-ID: "Pete Stephenson" wrote in message news:pete+usenet-CABA1C.22433401012006@news.cesmail.net... > In article , > "Berny" wrote: > If I make a wrong turn or diverge from the route, it'll automatically > recalculate a new route without any user input based on my current > heading and location. No need to fiddle. just curious, how is heading determined real time? dxdy/dtt? or do they use a compass or some inertial sensors? From pete+usenet at heypete.com Mon Jan 2 04:47:11 2006 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Mon Jan 2 07:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Just got a Garmin StreetPilot c330 References: Message-ID: In article , "Berny" wrote: > just curious, how is heading determined real time? dxdy/dtt? or do they use > a compass or some inertial sensors? Not sure what dxdy/dtt means, but as far as I know the GPS unit simply takes location samples every second. It then compares the present location to the previous one, and is able to determine a heading and speed from that. Thus, one could stand in a fixed location, rotate, and the GPS receiver will have no idea what direction it's facing. But if one were to move in any given direction, it would detect that difference and be able to show a heading and speed. -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From bar_n0ne at hotmail.com Mon Jan 2 16:57:04 2006 From: bar_n0ne at hotmail.com (Berny) Date: Mon Jan 2 08:00:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Just got a Garmin StreetPilot c330 References: Message-ID: "Pete Stephenson" wrote in message news:pete+usenet-41EF85.04471102012006@news.cesmail.net... > In article , > "Berny" wrote: > > > just curious, how is heading determined real time? dxdy/dtt? or do they use > > a compass or some inertial sensors? > > Not sure what dxdy/dtt means, but as far as I know the GPS unit simply > takes location samples every second. It then compares the present > location to the previous one, and is able to determine a heading and > speed from that. > > Thus, one could stand in a fixed location, rotate, and the GPS receiver > will have no idea what direction it's facing. But if one were to move in > any given direction, it would detect that difference and be able to show > a heading and speed. Thanks, that what I had speculated but as I don't have these toys, I was curious. that dxdy/dtt was jsut the derivative of position with time, exactly what you were talking about, rate of change of position with time. From user at domain.invalid Mon Jan 2 09:02:46 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Mon Jan 2 10:05:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Just got a Garmin StreetPilot c330 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 02.01.2006 00:19, Berny wrote: --- Original Message --- > "Pete Stephenson" wrote in message > news:pete+usenet-D98F60.13425001012006@news.cesmail.net... > SNIP >> >> Normally *I'm* the navigator when traveling long distances with someone >> else driving. But when driving alone, that makes it a bit less easy. >> It's rather difficult to be fiddling with maps and so forth when driving >> at 75mph on the freeway. :) > > and fiddling with a GPS is better? > > Depends ... The GPS will never say "Hey stupid, you missed your turn". :-) From user at domain.invalid Mon Jan 2 09:03:34 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Mon Jan 2 10:05:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Just got a Garmin StreetPilot c330 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 02.01.2006 00:43, Pete Stephenson wrote: --- Original Message --- > In article , > "Berny" wrote: > >> and fiddling with a GPS is better? > > Who says I'd be fiddling with it? At the start of my journey, I simply > enter where I want to go, then follow the voice or visual prompts. > > If I make a wrong turn or diverge from the route, it'll automatically > recalculate a new route without any user input based on my current > heading and location. No need to fiddle. > Hmmm, don't think that's the sort of "fiddling" he had in mind .. 8-) From user at domain.invalid Mon Jan 2 09:08:00 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Mon Jan 2 10:10:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Mozilla question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 01.01.2006 18:54, David Dean wrote: --- Original Message --- > In article , > Steven Maesslein wrote: > >> Message-ID: is only server-generated if the client doesn't provide one. > > Is it documented anywhere that Mozilla doesn't generate one? > Here it is: Mozilla is wise enough to leave the MID generation to the server (since Mozilla 1.1 IIRC). If you want Mozilla to create the MID, set user_pref("mail.identity.default.generate_news_message_id", true); or user_pref("mail.identity..FQDN", ); for a specific account. should be a fully qualified domain name that belongs to you, not an IP address or otherwise not unique domain (such as hotmail, yahoo and so on. See son-of-rfc-1036, 5.3). From user at domain.invalid Mon Jan 2 09:52:06 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Mon Jan 2 10:55:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need recommendation for a Wifi access point. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 30.12.2005 14:48, Ellen wrote: --- Original Message --- > "User" wrote in message > news:dp44au$c3o$1@news.spamcop.net... >> > >> >> I only deal with CISCO and Linksys and Linksys BFSR-81 does not have a >> feature to auto-mail logs to anyone. Possibly a newer model or another >> one does but not to my knowledge. >> >> 'course anything can happen, especially since Linksys is part of CISCO >> now, who knows. > > Nod -- it wasn't something I had ever heard of either but as you say -- who > knows :-) Thanks everyone for responding ! > > Ellen > > >From Linksys support: I checked our routers and the SNMP feature will only show the logs but do not have the feature of sending the logs to a particular address. Possibly, the firmware loaded on that user's router is from a third party developer. Linksys does not support those software programs and the warranty of the devices will be void once you load them to the units. From user at domain.invalid Mon Jan 2 09:55:03 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Mon Jan 2 10:55:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Mozilla question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 02.01.2006 09:50, David Dean wrote: --- Original Message --- > In article , User > wrote: > >> Here it is: > > Thank you. > >> Mozilla is wise enough to leave the MID generation to the server > > That is a matter of opinion... > It's the opinion of the programmer (Mozilla) that wrote that. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, even the developer. ;-) From user at domain.invalid Mon Jan 2 11:07:20 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Mon Jan 2 12:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Mozilla question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 02.01.2006 10:42, David Dean wrote: --- Original Message --- > In article , User > wrote: > >> It's the opinion of the programmer (Mozilla) that wrote that. Everyone >> is entitled to an opinion, even the developer. ;-) > > I'm not saying that he isn't entitled to that opinion. I just > disagree. At least the programmer was wise enough to allow a savvy user > to change the behavior. 8-) > I know what you meant .... ;-) What "I" meant by the statement is that the source programmer's "opinion" holds a higher degree of credit ... not always but most of the time ... IMHO -> :-) From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jan 2 13:26:27 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jan 2 13:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: External HD problem References: Message-ID: Redstone wrote: > I'm not sure if you need to reboot or not, but I don't think you will > need to. > > Hope this works. Christallmighty, what a nightmare.....I tried disabling the write caching for the external drive like you said, it locked up my machine (temporarily the first couple of times).....I tried to run chkdsk on one of the partitions, said it couldn't do it since something else had rights to the drive (delayed writing?), but asked if I wanted to run it on the next bootup. I said yes....then futzed around with the drive a bit more.....and managed to totally lockup my PC, had to hit the power switch to shut it down. This was Saturday. This morning, I turned the power strip back on and the PC rebooted (bad sign, I should have to hit the power switch on the case first). So after booting, MS Office was gone, my comcast email and work outlook settings were gone, computer was totally fucked (registry corruption?). So I restored a 2 week old registry file using Registry Mechanic (thank you lord for giving me the wisdom to purchase that software!), rebooted (it shut down normally this time), and chkdsk ran on the external drive this time (and found lots of errors). Oh, and I had also replaced the firewire connection with a USB2 cable too. After 20 minutes the disk checking it was fixed, and voila, I can now read and write to the drive again! Sheesh, why does this computer give me such a headache all the frigging time?!? I also installed my Xmas present to myself, a new Brother HL-2040 laser printer. Damn thing dims the lights when it's printing though....too much crap plugged into the same outlet, I think, causing a voltage drop.....although I'd be willing to bet that plugging some things into the other outlet in my den wouldn't fix the problem since it's on the same breaker.....or would it? From user at domain.invalid Mon Jan 2 12:54:21 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Mon Jan 2 13:55:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Mozilla question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 02.01.2006 11:59, David Dean wrote: --- Original Message --- > In article , User > wrote: > >> What "I" meant by the statement is that the source programmer's >> "opinion" holds a higher degree of credit ... not always but most of the >> time ... IMHO -> :-) > > I agree, but sometimes programmers get lazy (I should know) or have > unfounded bias, which is what I sense in this particular case. > Actually, the non-feature/function is a carry-over from the Nav 1-3.x and Communicator 4.x series and even though it's now Mozilla - a total rewrite, the non-function persists. At least they're consistent about "something" !! :-) From jg at coks.net Mon Jan 2 11:14:14 2006 From: jg at coks.net (jg) Date: Mon Jan 2 14:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: External HD problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 1/2/2006 10:26 AM indigo scribbled: > I also installed my Xmas present to myself, a new Brother HL-2040 laser > printer. Damn thing dims the lights when it's printing though....too much > crap plugged into the same outlet, I think, causing a voltage > drop.....although I'd be willing to bet that plugging some things into the > other outlet in my den wouldn't fix the problem since it's on the same > breaker.....or would it? > > No - but if a firehazard exists (weak wiring) it could take some heat off the one receptacle... From gregstigers+msnews at spamcop.net Tue Jan 3 10:43:12 2006 From: gregstigers+msnews at spamcop.net (G) Date: Tue Jan 3 10:45:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: How to handle viral email References: Message-ID: >> Are you using Outlook? If so, follow the steps I have previously > described: > > Unfortunately, I am not using Outlook so I can't do that. It took > verizon about a week to stop each one so I am not complaining. Does your email client allow you to search for text in headers, by any means? If so, then try your email client's facility for searching thru email headers, and see what you get. I am gratified to realize that I can start using mail server logs in my admin role, and, once I have accumulated data, I can just query a small database. And I realize that this will not always work. But with Sober, so far, for me, I've chased down the largest offenders, and am only seeing a few viral email a day. I hope to be able to keep it that way. Greg Stigers From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Jan 3 11:28:56 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue Jan 3 14:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with battery chargers / reconditioners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: User wrote: > On 07.12.2005 18:27, Borgholio wrote: > > --- Original Message --- > > >>Frog Prince wrote: >> >>>"Borgholio" >>> >>>| > | NiCd batteries. But honestly I HAVE found that NiMH batteries do >>>indeed >>>| > | have a memory effect after prolonged use. >>>| > >>>| > Is it a memory effect or only a degradation in performance? >>>| > >>>| > >>>| >>>| Probably both...but the only way to tell is to re-condition it a few times >>>| and see. >>> >>>We ran extensive test on NiMH batteries when they first came out (1000 >>>cycles in all sorts of modes) and never found any sign of memory effects. >>> >>> >> >>Hmm...strange. Maybe they're just cheap batteries, as I haven't come close >>to 1000 cycles. > > > Grab some of the PowerEX batteries that Thompson sells. Lookie what I just bought: http://www.thomas-distributing.com/ansmann_battery_charger_5407022.htm It'll be here no later than Thursday. :) From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Jan 3 16:09:57 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Jan 3 16:15:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with battery chargers / reconditioners References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" | Lookie what I just bought: | | http://www.thomas-distributing.com/ansmann_battery_charger_5407022.htm | | It'll be here no later than Thursday. :) Power to the people. I'm curious, how do they address the different charging carteristices of NiMH vs NiCd etc.? From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Jan 3 13:16:59 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue Jan 3 16:15:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with battery chargers / reconditioners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Borgholio" > > | Lookie what I just bought: > | > | http://www.thomas-distributing.com/ansmann_battery_charger_5407022.htm > | > | It'll be here no later than Thursday. :) > > Power to the people. I'm curious, how do they address the different > charging carteristices of NiMH vs NiCd etc.? > > There are no differences in how you charge them...just in how much power they can store. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Tue Jan 3 22:47:23 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Tue Jan 3 16:50:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with battery chargers / reconditioners References: Message-ID: On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:16:59 -0800, Borgholio coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > There are no differences in how you charge them...just in how much > power they can store. Actually, there are differences. NiCd batteries really don't like rapid charging, you're supposed to charge them at capacity/10 for 14 hours. eg: a 700mAh 'AA' cell should be charged at 70mA for 14 hours for best results. NiMH and Li-Ion OTOH can accept a much higher relative charge rate and consequently shorter charge times with more of the charge being soaked up than with a NiCd cell and with less degradation of the electrolyte. -- Steve Maintainer's Motto: If we can't fix it, it ain't broke. From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Jan 3 13:53:55 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue Jan 3 16:55:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with battery chargers / reconditioners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steven Maesslein wrote: > On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:16:59 -0800, Borgholio coughed into spamcop.geeks > and left this in : > > >>There are no differences in how you charge them...just in how much >>power they can store. > > > Actually, there are differences. NiCd batteries really don't like rapid > charging, you're supposed to charge them at capacity/10 for 14 hours. > eg: a 700mAh 'AA' cell should be charged at 70mA for 14 hours for best > results. > > NiMH and Li-Ion OTOH can accept a much higher relative charge rate and > consequently shorter charge times with more of the charge being soaked > up than with a NiCd cell and with less degradation of the electrolyte. > Well in that case, I have no clue how it handles the differences. :) From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Jan 3 23:21:30 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Tue Jan 3 18:25:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with battery chargers / reconditioners References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:dpej5n$v2e$1@news.spamcop.net... > User wrote: >> On 07.12.2005 18:27, Borgholio wrote: >> >> --- Original Message --- >> >> >>>Frog Prince wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>We ran extensive test on NiMH batteries when they first came out (1000 >>>>cycles in all sorts of modes) and never found any sign of memory >>>>effects. >>>> >>>> >>> >>>Hmm...strange. Maybe they're just cheap batteries, as I haven't come >>>close to 1000 cycles. An effect I have come across (not exactly a memory effect) is that if the batteries have been used and then not used for some time and have completely discharged, they seem to need a complete Charge->Discharge->Charge->Discharge->Charge cycle to kinda defribrillate them back into full capacity operation. From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Jan 3 15:34:33 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue Jan 3 18:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with battery chargers / reconditioners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:dpej5n$v2e$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>User wrote: >> >>>On 07.12.2005 18:27, Borgholio wrote: >>> >>> --- Original Message --- >>> >>> >>> >>>>Frog Prince wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>We ran extensive test on NiMH batteries when they first came out (1000 >>>>>cycles in all sorts of modes) and never found any sign of memory >>>>>effects. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>Hmm...strange. Maybe they're just cheap batteries, as I haven't come >>>>close to 1000 cycles. > > > An effect I have come across (not exactly a memory effect) is that if the > batteries have been used and then not used for some time and have completely > discharged, they seem to need a complete > Charge->Discharge->Charge->Discharge->Charge cycle to kinda defribrillate > them back into full capacity operation. > > I've noticed that too. Mainly happens on NiCD...but in some NiMH too. From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Jan 3 23:47:20 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Tue Jan 3 18:50:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with battery chargers / reconditioners References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:dperlh$v2e$3@news.spamcop.net... > Steven Maesslein wrote: >> On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:16:59 -0800, Borgholio coughed into spamcop.geeks >> and left this in : >> >> >>>There are no differences in how you charge them...just in how much power >>>they can store. >> >> >> Actually, there are differences. NiCd batteries really don't like rapid >> charging, you're supposed to charge them at capacity/10 for 14 hours. eg: >> a 700mAh 'AA' cell should be charged at 70mA for 14 hours for best >> results. >> >> NiMH and Li-Ion OTOH can accept a much higher relative charge rate and >> consequently shorter charge times with more of the charge being soaked up >> than with a NiCd cell and with less degradation of the electrolyte. >> > > Well in that case, I have no clue how it handles the differences. :) I believe it does it by constantly monitoring the current state of the batteries as it charges - it doesn't really *know* if it's a NiCd or a NiMH only what state of charge and temperature it's at. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Jan 3 19:08:07 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Jan 3 19:10:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with battery chargers / reconditioners References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" | > | Lookie what I just bought: | > | | > | http://www.thomas-distributing.com/ansmann_battery_charger_5407022.htm | > | | > | It'll be here no later than Thursday. :) | > | > Power to the people. I'm curious, how do they address the different | > charging carteristices of NiMH vs NiCd etc.? | > | > | | There are no differences in how you charge them...just in how much power | they can store. Something new? Way back in the mid 90's there was a significant difference in the charteristices including how to sense when full charge was reached. In fact charging NiMH with NiCad chargers or v.v. was a sure way to kill a battery. From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Jan 3 16:13:34 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue Jan 3 19:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with battery chargers / reconditioners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Borgholio" > > | > | Lookie what I just bought: > | > | > | > | http://www.thomas-distributing.com/ansmann_battery_charger_5407022.htm > | > | > | > | It'll be here no later than Thursday. :) > | > > | > Power to the people. I'm curious, how do they address the different > | > charging carteristices of NiMH vs NiCd etc.? > | > > | > > | > | There are no differences in how you charge them...just in how much power > | they can store. > > Something new? Way back in the mid 90's there was a significant difference > in the charteristices including how to sense when full charge was reached. > In fact charging NiMH with NiCad chargers or v.v. was a sure way to kill a > battery. > > Well I know that modern chargers can tell the difference...or at least, sense when the battery is getting full. But any other differences....I'm not too sure of. Truth be told, however, I'm mainly interested in this charger for the re-condition feature. That'll come in quite handy for the NiCDs out in my solar lights. :) From baloo at ursine.ca Tue Jan 3 17:55:23 2006 From: baloo at ursine.ca (baloo@ursine.ca) Date: Tue Jan 3 21:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Help Goddammmmitt! References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > What should I do? Delete the ethernet card hardware profile and reinstall > it? That's usually a nice cure-all for Windows. > I'm really stuck here......what is causing this? Not enough people have access to the source code to squish bugs. They need to rethink their license for long-term sustainability. From user at domain.invalid Wed Jan 4 09:00:23 2006 From: user at domain.invalid (User) Date: Wed Jan 4 10:00:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Need help with battery chargers / reconditioners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 03.01.2006 13:28, Borgholio wrote: --- Original Message --- > User wrote: >> On 07.12.2005 18:27, Borgholio wrote: >> >> --- Original Message --- >> >> >>>Frog Prince wrote: >>> >>>>"Borgholio" >>>> >>>>| > | NiCd batteries. But honestly I HAVE found that NiMH batteries do >>>>indeed >>>>| > | have a memory effect after prolonged use. >>>>| > >>>>| > Is it a memory effect or only a degradation in performance? >>>>| > >>>>| > >>>>| >>>>| Probably both...but the only way to tell is to re-condition it a few times >>>>| and see. >>>> >>>>We ran extensive test on NiMH batteries when they first came out (1000 >>>>cycles in all sorts of modes) and never found any sign of memory effects. >>>> >>>> >>> >>>Hmm...strange. Maybe they're just cheap batteries, as I haven't come close >>>to 1000 cycles. >> >> >> Grab some of the PowerEX batteries that Thompson sells. > > > Lookie what I just bought: > > http://www.thomas-distributing.com/ansmann_battery_charger_5407022.htm > > It'll be here no later than Thursday. :) Looks good, especially the included 6' AC power cord. Every have one of those days when you try to plug in one of those bulky adapters into the last open spot on your multi-plug extension block and it don't FIT !!! ?? bah From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 4 13:42:25 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Wed Jan 4 13:45:14 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] mail and mailservers - 2 problems Message-ID: There are/were 2 different problems: 1) The email system mailservers handling @spamcop.net/@cesmail.net/@cqmail/net -- these were apparently down/non-responsive for a short time and have come back up 2) delays in submitted spams/receiving the SC mail with links/etc -- we are encountering some issues with the parsing system mailservers. We have engineering working on it. The servers are backlogged and are working thru the backlog which will take some time to process. I do not know how long it will take them to catch back up. We appreciate your patience. Ellen SpamCop From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Thu Jan 5 12:08:43 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Thu Jan 5 07:10:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: External HD problem References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in news:dpbr50$fdr$1@news.spamcop.net: > > Christallmighty, what a nightmare.....I tried disabling the write > caching for the external drive like you said, it locked up my machine > (temporarily the first couple of times).....I tried to run chkdsk on > one of the partitions, said it couldn't do it since something else had > rights to the drive (delayed writing?), but asked if I wanted to run > it on the next bootup. I said yes....then futzed around with the drive > a bit more.....and managed to totally lockup my PC, had to hit the > power switch to shut it down. This was Saturday. This morning, I > turned the power strip back on and the PC rebooted (bad sign, I should > have to hit the power switch on the case first). So after booting, MS > Office was gone, my comcast email and work outlook settings were gone, > computer was totally fucked (registry corruption?). > > So I restored a 2 week old registry file using Registry Mechanic > (thank you lord for giving me the wisdom to purchase that software!), > rebooted (it shut down normally this time), and chkdsk ran on the > external drive this time (and found lots of errors). Oh, and I had > also replaced the firewire connection with a USB2 cable too. After 20 > minutes the disk checking it was fixed, and voila, I can now read and > write to the drive again! Sheesh, why does this computer give me such > a headache all the frigging time?!? Wow. My apologies for steering you wrong on this one. I didn't think it would of caused that much trouble on your machine. :-\ The good thing is that you have managed to restore functionality to your PC. When you replaced your firewire connection, did those disk errors go away? > > I also installed my Xmas present to myself, a new Brother HL-2040 > laser printer. Damn thing dims the lights when it's printing > though....too much crap plugged into the same outlet, I think, causing > a voltage drop.....although I'd be willing to bet that plugging some > things into the other outlet in my den wouldn't fix the problem since > it's on the same breaker.....or would it? > > Funny you should mention that. My wife's ancient NEC Superscript 610plus laser printer does somewhat the same thing when it is just turned on. It causes a flickering of the house lights where it will dim for a few seconds, return to normal, and dim again. I originally thought it was due to it being plugged into the strip, but it has its own outlet. Go figure. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 08:48:26 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Jan 5 08:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: External HD problem References: Message-ID: Redstone wrote: > Wow. My apologies for steering you wrong on this one. I didn't think > it would of caused that much trouble on your machine. :-\ > No prob, I'm responsible for what I do to my machines, in the end..... > The good thing is that you have managed to restore functionality to > your PC. When you replaced your firewire connection, did those disk > errors go away? > Yup. The USB2.0 swap seemed to have fixed it (or running chkdsk did, I really have no way to know without swapping back to the firewire cable and potentially screwing things up again if that's the real problem). > Funny you should mention that. My wife's ancient NEC Superscript > 610plus laser printer does somewhat the same thing when it is just > turned on. It causes a flickering of the house lights where it will > dim for a few seconds, return to normal, and dim again. I originally > thought it was due to it being plugged into the strip, but it has its > own outlet. Go figure. Different outlet, same breaker. And the laser printer dims the lights frequently as the internal heater comes on to keep the hot drum warm. This sucks......I may try unpowering most of my P&P peripherals that don't get much use to see if I can free up enough juice to keep this from happening (external DVD R/W, external HD, scanner). Otherwise the printer is going to stay off unless I need to use it. Don't need a fire in my house :-\ From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 10:13:00 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Jan 5 10:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: External HD problem References: Message-ID: "indigo" | | Different outlet, same breaker. And the laser printer dims the lights | frequently as the internal heater comes on to keep the hot drum warm. This | sucks......I may try unpowering most of my P&P peripherals that don't get | much use to see if I can free up enough juice to keep this from happening | (external DVD R/W, external HD, scanner). Otherwise the printer is going to | stay off unless I need to use it. Don't need a fire in my house :-\ Might consider using a back switching UPS on the printer. That way the heater load will be carried by the battery and the battery will be charged at a lesser peak load to the mains. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 10:26:30 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Jan 5 10:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: External HD problem References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "indigo" > | > | Different outlet, same breaker. And the laser printer dims the > | lights frequently as the internal heater comes on to keep the hot > | drum warm. This sucks......I may try unpowering most of my P&P > | peripherals that don't get much use to see if I can free up enough > | juice to keep this from happening (external DVD R/W, external HD, > | scanner). Otherwise the printer is going to stay off unless I need > | to use it. Don't need a fire in my house :-\ > > > Might consider using a back switching UPS on the printer. That way > the heater load will be carried by the battery and the battery will > be charged at a lesser peak load to the mains. Cost and size? Space is at a premium in that room. I'd just as soon install another breaker and run a new power line to the second outlet, I've got all the pieces in hand to do that for free. Oh, I forgot to mention that I have a small warm mist humidifier running in there for the winter too....need to see how much current that's drawing also. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 11:50:05 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Pop) Date: Thu Jan 5 11:55:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: External HD problem References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dpjdr7$n5e$1@news.spamcop.net... : : : Frog Prince wrote: : > "indigo" : > | : > | Different outlet, same breaker. And the laser printer dims the : > | lights frequently as the internal heater comes on to keep the hot : > | drum warm. This sucks......I may try unpowering most of my P&P : > | peripherals that don't get much use to see if I can free up enough : > | juice to keep this from happening (external DVD R/W, external HD, : > | scanner). Otherwise the printer is going to stay off unless I need : > | to use it. Don't need a fire in my house :-\ : > : > : > Might consider using a back switching UPS on the printer. That way : > the heater load will be carried by the battery and the battery will : > be charged at a lesser peak load to the mains. : : Cost and size? Space is at a premium in that room. I'd just as soon install : another breaker and run a new power line to the second outlet, I've got all : the pieces in hand to do that for free. Oh, I forgot to mention that I have : a small warm mist humidifier running in there for the winter too....need to : see how much current that's drawing also. : : There's a cheap (abt $20) meter called a "kill-a-watt" that'll measure Vac, Freq, A, VA, Watts, time and PF and it seems to be pretty accurate to boot. Plug it into an outlet, plug whatever into it, and read the numbers by pusing the buttons. Google for kill-a-watt plus P3 and you should find it easy enough; I got mine from Cyberguys.com. VERY handy! I was pretty surprised at the current draw when the monitor's on, pc busy, printer printing. I was also surprised to see my printer at 7W asleep, the Monitor at about 10W alseep, 130W working, etc.. I did some cal checks on it - it's pretty close to my other gear and all in one little box. Probably just an IC and a few coils and resistors, but; very nice for the cost. Unplug it and you lose the readings, though. That's the only drawback I know of. Useful to calc the cost of electricity to run things. Pop From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 12:07:40 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Jan 5 12:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: External HD problem References: Message-ID: Pop wrote: > : > There's a cheap (abt $20) meter called a "kill-a-watt" that'll > measure Vac, Freq, A, VA, Watts, time and PF and it seems to be > pretty accurate to boot. Plug it into an outlet, plug whatever > into it, and read the numbers by pusing the buttons. Google for > kill-a-watt plus P3 and you should find it easy enough; I got > mine from Cyberguys.com. Or I could simply read the UL labels on all the boxes for everything in that room ;-) Yeah, I'm an admitted boxaholic packrat.... From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 12:28:37 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Jan 5 12:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: External HD problem References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dpjjot$qrh$1@news.spamcop.net... | | | Pop wrote: | > : | > There's a cheap (abt $20) meter called a "kill-a-watt" that'll | > measure Vac, Freq, A, VA, Watts, time and PF and it seems to be | > pretty accurate to boot. Plug it into an outlet, plug whatever | > into it, and read the numbers by pusing the buttons. Google for | > kill-a-watt plus P3 and you should find it easy enough; I got | > mine from Cyberguys.com. | | Or I could simply read the UL labels on all the boxes for everything in that | room ;-) Yeah, I'm an admitted boxaholic packrat.... UL lables are typically upper (max) limits and little in the way of real numbers From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 12:40:34 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Jan 5 12:45:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: External HD problem References: Message-ID: "indigo" | > | Different outlet, same breaker. And the laser printer dims the | > | lights frequently as the internal heater comes on to keep the hot | > | drum warm. This sucks......I may try unpowering most of my P&P | > | peripherals that don't get much use to see if I can free up enough | > | juice to keep this from happening (external DVD R/W, external HD, | > | scanner). Otherwise the printer is going to stay off unless I need | > | to use it. Don't need a fire in my house :-\ | > | > | > Might consider using a back switching UPS on the printer. That way | > the heater load will be carried by the battery and the battery will | > be charged at a lesser peak load to the mains. | | Cost and size? Space is at a premium in that room. I'd just as soon install | another breaker and run a new power line to the second outlet, I've got all | the pieces in hand to do that for free. Oh, I forgot to mention that I have | a small warm mist humidifier running in there for the winter too....need to | see how much current that's drawing also. So... what's keeping you? As for myself I'm putting two 6 volt golf cart batteries in the basement with a tri level charger/conditioner. Eventually I'm going to hook up both solar and wind driven power sources all as part of a) off grid back up and b) alternative power play toys. I'm collecting various sized inverters as well so we can run the fridge, microwave, lights and HVAC fans. Kinda interesting the amount of attention one gets when you're the only house with real light on and the rest of the area is dark. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 15:41:25 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Jan 5 15:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: External HD problem References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > | Cost and size? Space is at a premium in that room. I'd just as soon > | install another breaker and run a new power line to the second > | outlet, I've got all the pieces in hand to do that for free. > > So... what's keeping you? Not much, I guess....I already have enough "illegal", although up to code, wiring in my house one more breaker ain't going to change much.....but what I'd really like to do is put in a 4 plug outlet behind my desk on the new breaker, but now we're talking about some serious work (like disassembling and moving everything on said heavy wooden desk and bookshelves). From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Jan 5 22:55:33 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Jan 5 23:00:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: External HD problem References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dpk09m$3i7$1@news.spamcop.net... | | | Frog Prince wrote: | > | Cost and size? Space is at a premium in that room. I'd just as soon | > | install another breaker and run a new power line to the second | > | outlet, I've got all the pieces in hand to do that for free. > | | > So... what's keeping you? | | Not much, I guess....I already have enough "illegal", although up to code, | wiring in my house one more breaker ain't going to change much.....but what | I'd really like to do is put in a 4 plug outlet behind my desk on the new | breaker, but now we're talking about some serious work (like disassembling | and moving everything on said heavy wooden desk and bookshelves). they make screw in six-plex adaptor that fits quite well (and legally) into a duplex outlet. From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Fri Jan 6 08:21:31 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Fri Jan 6 03:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: External HD problem References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in news:dpj83a$j8j$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > No prob, I'm responsible for what I do to my machines, in the end..... > And our machines do us in.. in the end too. :-) > > Yup. The USB2.0 swap seemed to have fixed it (or running chkdsk did, I > really have no way to know without swapping back to the firewire cable > and potentially screwing things up again if that's the real problem). > I think your best bet is to let things be. If it worked, then hurray. Interesting it was the cable that was troublesome. You haven't experienced this type of trouble in the past, have you? > > Different outlet, same breaker. And the laser printer dims the lights > frequently as the internal heater comes on to keep the hot drum warm. > This sucks......I may try unpowering most of my P&P peripherals that > don't get much use to see if I can free up enough juice to keep this > from happening (external DVD R/W, external HD, scanner). Otherwise the > printer is going to stay off unless I need to use it. Don't need a > fire in my house :-\ > > That is what I do. Keep the printer off until needed.. or set it to hibernate after 20 minutes. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 08:30:09 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jan 6 08:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: External HD problem References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > they make screw in six-plex adaptor that fits quite well (and > legally) into a duplex outlet. Yeah, but I'd still have to move everything to get to it..... From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 08:31:26 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jan 6 08:35:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: External HD problem References: Message-ID: Redstone wrote: > > I think your best bet is to let things be. If it worked, then hurray. > Interesting it was the cable that was troublesome. You haven't > experienced this type of trouble in the past, have you? > Nope, no trouble at all. Just went nuts one day. > > > That is what I do. Keep the printer off until needed.. or set it to > hibernate after 20 minutes. How do you "hibernate" a printer? Something in the power/sleep mode settings in Control Panel? From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 12:01:45 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jan 6 12:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] WMF file virus? Message-ID: Just got this warning in my work email account: This message is to alert all employees about a current Microsoft Windows vulnerability, called the "Windows WMF" vulnerability. Users can become infected with hostile code in multiple ways including by just clicking on a link to an infected web site. Anyone know what this is, how dangerous it really is? How it works? From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Jan 6 09:29:08 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Jan 6 12:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: WMF file virus? References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Just got this warning in my work email account: > > This message is to alert all employees about a current Microsoft > Windows vulnerability, called the "Windows WMF" vulnerability. Users > can become infected with hostile code in multiple ways including by > just clicking on a link to an infected web site. > > > Anyone know what this is, how dangerous it really is? How it works? http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/holes/story/0,10801,107522,00.html JANUARY 06, 2006 (COMPUTERWORLD) - Microsoft Corp. yesterday released an out-of-cycle patch for the Windows Metafile (WMF) flaw amid growing concerns of widespread exploits aimed at the vulnerability. -- http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/holes/story/0,10801,107482,00.html?from=story_package WMF FAQ: What you need to know - Here's how the flaw works, what systems are affected and what you can do about it -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From RobertW at danjonengineering.com Fri Jan 6 09:32:22 2006 From: RobertW at danjonengineering.com (Robert Williams) Date: Fri Jan 6 12:35:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Would you be interested? Message-ID: I'm working a guy that MAY be able to create an Outlook add-in (for other e-mail programs as well) that would be a simple right-click function to report SPAM to SC. I'm hoping he can write this program so that it can grab the Header and Body information, report to SC, and delete the message (and hopefully multiple messages) in one step. I'd like to take a poll as to how many people would actually be interested in using a program such as this one. Also, what additional features would be helpful in a program like this? Comments please. Thanks In Advance RW From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 12:38:20 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jan 6 12:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: WMF file virus? References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > > http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/holes/story/0,10801,107482,00.html?from=story_package > WMF FAQ: What you need to know - Here's how the flaw works, what > systems are affected and what you can do about it Thanks Mike. Seems like a particularly nasty little critter......of course most people are familiar with the dangers of zip and exe files, but a seemingly innocent wmf file.....that could really catch a lot of unsuspecting folks out. From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Jan 6 09:47:58 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Jan 6 12:50:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: WMF file virus? References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Mike Easter wrote: >> WMF FAQ: What you need to know - Here's how the flaw works, what >> systems are affected and what you can do about it > > Thanks Mike. Seems like a particularly nasty little critter......of > course most people are familiar with the dangers of zip and exe > files, but a seemingly innocent wmf file.....that could really catch > a lot of unsuspecting folks out. I don't know if you like to listen to audio - internet radio interviews. There was one the other day on Security Now between Steve Gibson of GRC and Leo Laporte of TechTV with a guest appearance by Ilfak Guilfanov - the dude who came up with the important temporary patch while everyone was waiting for MS to get their ... errrmm... stuff together. Security Now! Episode 21: The Windows MetaFile (WMF) Vulnerability http://www.grc.com/SecurityNow.htm -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 12:58:51 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jan 6 13:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: WMF file virus? References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > indigo wrote: > > Mike Easter wrote: > > >> WMF FAQ: What you need to know - Here's how the flaw works, what > >> systems are affected and what you can do about it > > > > Thanks Mike. Seems like a particularly nasty little critter......of > > course most people are familiar with the dangers of zip and exe > > files, but a seemingly innocent wmf file.....that could really catch > > a lot of unsuspecting folks out. > > I don't know if you like to listen to audio - internet radio > interviews. Maybe some others would like to listen to that link (thanks for it), but I'm kinda in a semi-cube farm....it's noisy enough in here without sound blaring from PCs ;-) From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 12:43:00 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Jan 6 13:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: External HD problem References: Message-ID: "indigo" | > they make screw in six-plex adaptor that fits quite well (and | > legally) into a duplex outlet. | | Yeah, but I'd still have to move everything to get to it..... Next you'll tell us you go to a fine restaurant, they place an excellent meal in front of you and you complain because you have to feed yourself. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 13:05:48 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jan 6 13:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: External HD problem References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > > Next you'll tell us you go to a fine restaurant, they place an > excellent meal in front of you and you complain because you have to > feed yourself. Yeah, I hate when that happens! From kenbrody at spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 13:28:14 2006 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Fri Jan 6 13:30:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: WMF file virus? References: Message-ID: <43BEB6BE.86EE303D@spamcop.net> indigo wrote: [...] > > I don't know if you like to listen to audio - internet radio > > interviews. > > Maybe some others would like to listen to that link (thanks for it), but I'm > kinda in a semi-cube farm....it's noisy enough in here without sound blaring > from PCs ;-) That's what noise-cancelling headphones are for. -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 13:30:32 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jan 6 13:35:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: WMF file virus? References: <43BEB6BE.86EE303D@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Kenneth Brody wrote: > indigo wrote: > [...] > > > I don't know if you like to listen to audio - internet radio > > > interviews. > > > > Maybe some others would like to listen to that link (thanks for > > it), but I'm kinda in a semi-cube farm....it's noisy enough in here > > without sound blaring from PCs ;-) > > That's what noise-cancelling headphones are for. When you offer to buy a pair for everyone near me let me know....... From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Fri Jan 6 18:30:30 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Fri Jan 6 14:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: WMF file virus? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Mike Easter wrote: >> indigo wrote: >>> Mike Easter wrote: >>>> WMF FAQ: What you need to know - Here's how the flaw works, what >>>> systems are affected and what you can do about it >>> Thanks Mike. Seems like a particularly nasty little critter......of >>> course most people are familiar with the dangers of zip and exe >>> files, but a seemingly innocent wmf file.....that could really catch >>> a lot of unsuspecting folks out. >> I don't know if you like to listen to audio - internet radio >> interviews. > > Maybe some others would like to listen to that link (thanks for it), but I'm > kinda in a semi-cube farm....it's noisy enough in here without sound blaring > from PCs ;-) Umm, headphones? I couldn't survive without them. From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 15:30:24 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Jan 6 15:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: WMF file virus? References: <43BEB6BE.86EE303D@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dpmd09$e1q$1@news.spamcop.net... | | | Kenneth Brody wrote: | > indigo wrote: | > [...] | > > > I don't know if you like to listen to audio - internet radio | > > > interviews. | > > | > > Maybe some others would like to listen to that link (thanks for | > > it), but I'm kinda in a semi-cube farm....it's noisy enough in here | > > without sound blaring from PCs ;-) | > | > That's what noise-cancelling headphones are for. | | When you offer to buy a pair for everyone near me let me know....... If you had a set then ...what the requirement for the others? | | From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jan 6 17:40:31 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jan 6 17:45:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: WMF file virus? References: Message-ID: Mr K. Mean wrote: > > Umm, headphones? > > I couldn't survive without them. I couldn't think with constant noise..... From not at home.today Fri Jan 6 23:57:26 2006 From: not at home.today (Ant) Date: Fri Jan 6 19:00:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: WMF file virus? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote: [WMF vuln] > Anyone know what this is, how dangerous it really is? How it works? Posting to .geeks and only just heard about it? Unbelievable! The exploit's been out since 28 Dec. Describing it as a buffer overflow, in Mike's link, is incorrect; it's by design. WMFs are a collection of calls to the Windows GDI (graphics device interface). Code to display a WMF simply passes the calls directly to the GDI. One of the calls allows a user-supplied function to be run in case of print spool cancelletion or error (a printer is a graphical device). That function is stored in the WMF, and can be anything you like. If the function is registered in the GDI by the "setabortproc" GDI call, and an error in rendering the WMF occurs, then it will be run. This feature in the GDI (and thus metafiles) has been available since Win 3.0, so I'm surprised it's only just been exploited. However, it wasn't so much of an issue for Win9x and below because the processing of WMFs wasn't supported in Microsoft's html rendering engine. From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Jan 6 17:47:37 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Fri Jan 6 20:50:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: WMF file virus? References: Message-ID: Ant wrote: > Describing it as a buffer overflow, in Mike's link, is incorrect; it's > by design. While the term 'buffer overflow' was used in the link's description, that term came after all of this 'setup'... // What's the launch sequence? When a user clicks on a WMF file, the application calls the shimgvw.dll library, which in turn can call the Escape() function in the gdi32.dll library. Escape() has a subfunction called SETABORTPROC, which lets users cancel a print job during spooling from within various applications. The exploit targets SETABORTPROC. It causes a buffer overflow and thus allows the targeted computer to run malicious code in the WMF file, whatever it may be. // The other link I gave to the radio show with Ilfak contains this 'anti-buffer-overflow' exchange: // STEVE: Ilfak, the one thing that I've seen mixed issues about is whether this vulnerability is created by a buffer overrun bug in the Windows Metafile processing, or is it just taking advantage of a feature which is working correctly and has always been there. ILFAK: It is the latter, the second. It's not a buffer overflow. It is something that is by design. So the design of these WMF files allows to specify a code sequence to be executed. And this code sequence is in the file itself, so anything can happen. // And Ilfak has another antioveruun remark later on. > WMFs are a collection of calls to the Windows GDI (graphics > device interface). Code to display a WMF simply passes the calls > directly to the GDI. One of the calls allows a user-supplied function > to be run in case of print spool cancelletion or error (a printer is a > graphical device). That function is stored in the WMF, and can be > anything you like. If the function is registered in the GDI by the > "setabortproc" GDI call, and an error in rendering the WMF occurs, > then it will be run. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From not at home.today Sat Jan 7 02:44:20 2006 From: not at home.today (Ant) Date: Fri Jan 6 21:45:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: WMF file virus? References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote: > The other link I gave to the radio show with Ilfak contains this > 'anti-buffer-overflow' exchange: I didn't follow your other link because my "bandwidth challenged" connection precludes audio. Now I've checked, I see there is a text transcript which I'm about to read. Thanks. 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I wouldn't be interested in using it, but if it became officially adopted by SpamCop as something that SpamCop recommend and offer for download, I would recommend it to our end users. I already recommend SpamCop to customers enquiring how they should best report spam that does not originate from our own network, and such an add-in would be a potentially useful addition. -- Anthony Edwards * anthony.edwards@uk.easynet.net Abuse Team Manager * Tel: 0800 053 0588 Easynet Ltd * DDI: 0161 227 0707 http://www.uk.easynet.net * Fax: 0845 333 4503 From not at home.today Mon Jan 9 02:57:29 2006 From: not at home.today (Ant) Date: Sun Jan 8 22:00:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: WMF file virus? References: <1h8su8i.153jkv3rdj7tzN%asterix@no_where.net> Message-ID: "Asterix" wrote: > Would any Mac version of Microsoft Office _theoretically_ be vulnerable, > or is the vulnerability specific to the Windows GDI ? > Office:mac handles - and has to handle - WMFs as they are often embedded > in Office documents. > I realize that to exploit such a vulnerability you'd have to write the > exploit specificaly for Mac OS (9 or X). > As a parallel, most Word viruses, when run on a Mac just crash into the > VBA debugger when they look for a Windows specific search path. Good question. In theory - yes. It all depends if the setabortproc escape call is processed when reading the WMF, and if the Mac equivalent of the GDI does anything with it. In theory it's also exploitable on versions of Windows prior to NT, but I've not yet heard of any tests that have been successful on those systems. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jan 9 09:52:00 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jan 9 09:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: WMF file virus? References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was "indigo" ! > > Mr K. Mean wrote: > >> > >> Umm, headphones? > >> > >> I couldn't survive without them. > > > > I couldn't think with constant noise..... > > But you said you're in a cube farm - surrounded by the noise... > What's the difference? Occasional noise, not constant. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Mon Jan 9 15:51:36 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Mon Jan 9 11:05:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: WMF file virus? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Charles wrote: >> No way it was me! It was "indigo" ! >>> Mr K. Mean wrote: >>>> Umm, headphones? >>>> >>>> I couldn't survive without them. >>> I couldn't think with constant noise..... >> But you said you're in a cube farm - surrounded by the noise... >> What's the difference? > > Occasional noise, not constant. I find silence, or perhaps it is occasional noises which I do not control, far more distracting. I don't know why I concentrate much better with music on, I guess it has always been there and I'm just used to it. It does certainly seem to be more conducive to being into that groove, just writing pages of code and running it, testing it, fixing things, rerunning, etc. It just kind of gives you a rhythm. Techno in particular can work well, except it does get a bit numbing after a while. I'm not sure how to explain my current obsession with Norwegian death metal though. From Ilgaz at spamcop.net Mon Jan 9 18:29:33 2006 From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz Ocal) Date: Mon Jan 9 11:30:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Would you be interested? References: Message-ID: On 2006-01-07 23:54:47 +0200, Anthony Edwards said: > On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:32:22 -0800, Robert Williams > wrote: >> I'm working a guy that MAY be able to create an Outlook add-in (for other >> e-mail programs as well) that would be a simple right-click function to >> report SPAM to SC. I'm hoping he can write this program so that it can grab >> the Header and Body information, report to SC, and delete the message (and >> hopefully multiple messages) in one step. >> >> I'd like to take a poll as to how many people would actually be interested >> in using a program such as this one. > > I wouldn't be interested in using it, but if it became officially > adopted by SpamCop as something that SpamCop recommend and offer for > download, I would recommend it to our end users. I already recommend > SpamCop to customers enquiring how they should best report spam that > does not originate from our own network, and such an add-in would be > a potentially useful addition. "Official recognition" is the keyword. There was a big fight over OS X Mail Spamcop plugin a year ago or something. Funny enough, I had to deal with its author in Mac newsgroups without figuring he is "same guy" and I completely agree to Spamcop on that problem. I think you should first ask Spamcop officials about their position in such a plugin. It would rock for Outlook and (maybe sometime) Eudora users of course. Have a nice year.. Ilgaz From gregstigers+msnews at spamcop.net Mon Jan 9 13:02:49 2006 From: gregstigers+msnews at spamcop.net (G) Date: Mon Jan 9 13:10:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Would you be interested? References: Message-ID: It's not right-click, but see http://www.spamdeputy.com. From asterix at no_where.net Mon Jan 9 22:48:46 2006 From: asterix at no_where.net (Asterix) Date: Mon Jan 9 16:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: WMF file virus? References: <1h8su8i.153jkv3rdj7tzN%asterix@no_where.net> Message-ID: <1h8x5om.1qwgbkjqjn5tN%asterix@no_where.net> Ant wrote: > "Asterix" wrote: > > > Would any Mac version of Microsoft Office _theoretically_ be vulnerable, > > or is the vulnerability specific to the Windows GDI ? > > Office:mac handles - and has to handle - WMFs as they are often embedded > > in Office documents. > > I realize that to exploit such a vulnerability you'd have to write the > > exploit specificaly for Mac OS (9 or X). > > As a parallel, most Word viruses, when run on a Mac just crash into the > > VBA debugger when they look for a Windows specific search path. > > Good question. In theory - yes. It all depends if the setabortproc > escape call is processed when reading the WMF, and if the Mac > equivalent of the GDI does anything with it. In theory it's also > exploitable on versions of Windows prior to NT, but I've not yet > heard of any tests that have been successful on those systems. I've read up a bit, and I've seen no claim from anywhere that the WMF engine (or whatever) in Office:mac should be vulnerable. Except from my IT department, that had mixed up a comma with a period in this writeup from SANS: http://isc.sans.org/diary.php?storyid=994 No - I ain't telling where I work :-) -- I recommend Macs to my friends, and Windows machines to those whom I don't mind billing by the hour From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Tue Jan 10 10:07:55 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Tue Jan 10 05:10:35 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: WMF file virus? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was "Mr K. Mean" ! > >> I'm not sure how to explain my current obsession with Norwegian death >> metal though. > > Hmm. Have you been coding in vb.net, too? Umm, I haven't written a single thing in BASIC since, hmm, probably something on one of the very early models of IBM PCs. A 286 was probably the very last one. Certainly way before Windows. Are you saying I'll have to start? Or that I'll just feel driven to? We are a Java only shop though, have been for at least the last five years I've been there. I don't know, all that speed metal stuff normally makes me laugh, it is rather funny stuff. Like Napalm Death, can't stop laughing the entire time. But this stuff kind of makes me nervous and is a bit disturbing. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Tue Jan 10 11:53:51 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Tue Jan 10 05:55:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: WMF file virus? References: Message-ID: On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 15:51:36 +0000, Mr K. Mean coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > It does certainly seem to be more conducive to being into that groove, > just writing pages of code and running it, testing it, fixing things, > rerunning, etc. It just kind of gives you a rhythm. Techno in > particular can work well, except it does get a bit numbing after a while. Eww!!! Techno doesn't stimulate my ability to work. It stimulates my ability to devise plans that are ultimately painful for the stereo system playing it. Like chucking it out the window on the 229th floor or a building, or just dropping it from a plane - sans parachute preferably. :) -- Steve The quickest way to double your money is to fold it in half and put it back in your pocket. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Tue Jan 10 13:12:02 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Tue Jan 10 08:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: WMF file virus? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8eoc93-4cb.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Steven Maesslein wrote: > > Techno doesn't stimulate my ability to work. It stimulates my ability to > devise plans that are ultimately painful for the stereo system playing > it. Like chucking it out the window on the 229th floor or a building, or > just dropping it from a plane - sans parachute preferably. :) Well, there is crap techno. 90% of everything (in all genres) is crap (well, some days I think it is 99%). I don't listen to that stuff. But probably some of my fondness for it comes from associations with places I've been and the people I was with when it was playing. And probably all the time I listened to the "Dog Pound Dance Party" during my time in Albany. Gee, thanks Sienna College for warping my taste. But I won't bother you because I use headphones. It might get confusing too when the music changes from that to maybe a bit of Frank and then a bit of death metal after that. And then what else do I have with me today, a bit of Albanian folk music, a bit of paisley underground from the 80s, and so on. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Jan 10 10:10:01 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Jan 10 10:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Thanks to all for the Wifi input !!! More questions Message-ID: We scored a Linksys WRT54G at $29.00 plus tax after rebate. Got it set up but with a consistent 1/10 X where x= cable modem rate. Flashed the new software now running @ 1/5-1/3X played with the MTU from 1300 to 1500 minor differences observed but can't tell if it's the settings or the cable system. (this with one computer on line wireless and one on line CAT5 only one active System is running open (no security) but since the front gate is > 1000 feet from the house I'm not too concerned at this point. Would be interesting to log the traffic in any case. Curious how to tell which antenna is TX/RX and which is RX only? Is there someway to select (or more accurately deselect) a second antenna. (I'm not sure what technique they use for 'diversity' but I'm guessing that it's more smoke and mirrors marketing than any performance improvement.) Anyway, from those with experience on wifi and specifically the WRT54G I'd be interested in what games I can get into on this device. BTW I'm already getting questions on what to do to make the barn/work shop, outbuildings and the guest house wireless (about 1000 ft +/- from the house in different directions) FP brother_rabbit @ hotmail.com From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jan 10 12:26:21 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jan 10 12:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Thanks to all for the Wifi input !!! More questions References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > > System is running open (no security) but since the front gate is > > 1000 feet from the house I'm not too concerned at this point. Would > be interesting to log the traffic in any case. Erm, you might want to take a gander at the thread in .spamcop about some guy who had his wi-fi system cracked by spammers.......he had no security either, he lives in the boonies and thought he was too far away from anyone to have to worry about it.....he did not choose wisely.... From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Jan 10 15:22:23 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Jan 10 15:25:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Thanks to all for the Wifi input !!! More questions References: Message-ID: "indigo" | > System is running open (no security) but since the front gate is > | > 1000 feet from the house I'm not too concerned at this point. Would | > be interesting to log the traffic in any case. | | Erm, you might want to take a gander at the thread in .spamcop about some | guy who had his wi-fi system cracked by spammers.......he had no security | either, he lives in the boonies and thought he was too far away from anyone | to have to worry about it.....he did not choose wisely.... Saw that and security is coming. They live at the end of a loooong road (which is owned, as is all property on both sides for miles, by their extended family) before you get to the gate and them it's a distance to the house. Frankly it's hard enough to get there if you know where you're going, no way to find it by accident. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jan 10 17:38:58 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Tue Jan 10 17:40:15 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Email system Message-ID: The email system (@spamcop.net, @cesmail.net, @cqmail.net) may be encountering problems again. Jeff is aware of the issues and working on them. Thanks for your patience! Ellen SpamCop From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Jan 10 23:52:31 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Tue Jan 10 18:55:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Thanks to all for the Wifi input !!! More questions References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:dq1536$hfl$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Saw that and security is coming. They live at the end of a loooong road > (which is owned, as is all property on both sides for miles, by their > extended family) before you get to the gate and them it's a distance to > the > house. > > Frankly it's hard enough to get there if you know where you're going, no > way > to find it by accident. But someone a looong way awaaaaayyy with a directional antenna scanning for open gateways....................... From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Jan 10 19:28:03 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Jan 10 19:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Thanks to all for the Wifi input !!! More questions References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" | > Saw that and security is coming. They live at the end of a loooong road | > (which is owned, as is all property on both sides for miles, by their | > extended family) before you get to the gate and them it's a distance to | > the house. | > | > Frankly it's hard enough to get there if you know where you're going, no | > way to find it by accident. | | But someone a looong way awaaaaayyy with a directional antenna scanning for | open gateways....................... Have to be on top of the local mountain (not big but big enough) and on top of some trees. A bit hard to do as all that land belongs to their family. I guess they could use a small airplane but not sure how well Wifi works at 100 MPH. Not going to be an issue long as I'm headed over that way this weekend to lock things down. From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Jan 11 08:24:31 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Jan 11 08:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: WMF file virus? References: Message-ID: "Charles" | >>> I'm not sure how to explain my current obsession with Norwegian death | >>> metal though. | >> | >> Hmm. Have you been coding in vb.net, too? | > | > Umm, I haven't written a single thing in BASIC since, hmm, probably | > something on one of the very early models of IBM PCs. A 286 was | > probably the very last one. Certainly way before Windows. Are you | > saying I'll have to start? Or that I'll just feel driven to? We are a | > Java only shop though, have been for at least the last five years I've | > been there. | | Dude, vb.net is exactly like where you are programming now, only much, much | better. Well, that's what the marketing says. Tee hee. So, Dell asked me | what was good about a service that they'd provided to me recently and I | replied, "The marketing." Like they care. But, hey, interestingly they | used real live 'mericans for giving me the survey... My son had a friend respond in one of the less well known of the Indian dialects. So far the Tar Baby don't say nothin' From Ilgaz at spamcop.net Wed Jan 11 16:24:49 2006 From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz Ocal) Date: Wed Jan 11 09:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: WMF file virus? References: Message-ID: On 2006-01-11 03:05:00 +0200, Charles <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> said: > No way it was me! It was "Mr K. Mean" ! >> Charles wrote: >>> No way it was me! It was "Mr K. Mean" ! >>> >>>> I'm not sure how to explain my current obsession with Norwegian death >>>> metal though. >>> >>> Hmm. Have you been coding in vb.net, too? >> >> Umm, I haven't written a single thing in BASIC since, hmm, probably >> something on one of the very early models of IBM PCs. A 286 was >> probably the very last one. Certainly way before Windows. Are you >> saying I'll have to start? Or that I'll just feel driven to? We are a >> Java only shop though, have been for at least the last five years I've >> been there. > > Dude, vb.net is exactly like where you are programming now, only much, > much better. Well, that's what the marketing says. Tee hee. So, Dell > asked me what was good about a service that they'd provided to me > recently and I replied, "The marketing." Like they care. But, hey, > interestingly they used real live 'mericans for giving me the survey... Hi, Not for joking but Real basic looks really cool for simple and multiplatform stuff. On Linux, it is free. http://www.realbasic.com E.g. "SpamX" is coded in it http://www.realbasic.com/users/commercial/spamx/ . .NET basic? Well, learning java will be better for stuff it promises since Java is doing that stuff for ages, even on my poor C55 Siemens with 320kb of memory a while ago :) Ilgaz From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Wed Jan 11 18:55:20 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Wed Jan 11 14:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: WMF file virus? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > > Dude, vb.net is exactly like where you are programming now, only much, much > better. Well, that's what the marketing says. Tee hee. So, Dell asked me > what was good about a service that they'd provided to me recently and I > replied, "The marketing." Like they care. But, hey, interestingly they > used real live 'mericans for giving me the survey... Sweet, how do I get me some of that vb.net action then? Let me take that to the architecture board and see how quickly they jump all over it. Do you have some glossy brochures to sweeten the pot? Or maybe a website constructed entirely in Flash? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 11 14:05:25 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Jan 11 14:10:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: WMF file virus? References: Message-ID: Mr K. Mean wrote: Or maybe a > website constructed entirely in Flash? You mean like the Acura website? Won't run on any of my machines. What a pity.....had to actually walk into the showroom to buy my new car instead of getting it online. From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Fri Jan 13 12:23:21 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Fri Jan 13 07:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: External HD problem References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in news:dplrfe$3nh$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> >> That is what I do. Keep the printer off until needed.. or set it to >> hibernate after 20 minutes. > > How do you "hibernate" a printer? Something in the power/sleep mode > settings in Control Panel? > > In the case of the printer I use, it resides as a control on the software (drivers, clientware stuff that is not related to the options in the Control Panel) the printer came with. In your case, it may be located in Control Panel/Printers/Properties area. From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Fri Jan 13 12:42:51 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Fri Jan 13 07:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Thanks to all for the Wifi input !!! More questions References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in news:dq1jep$qbf$1@news.spamcop.net: > "Porpoise" > >| > Saw that and security is coming. They live at the end of a loooong >| > road (which is owned, as is all property on both sides for miles, >| > by their extended family) before you get to the gate and them it's >| > a distance to the house. >| > >| > Frankly it's hard enough to get there if you know where you're >| > going, no way to find it by accident. >| >| But someone a looong way awaaaaayyy with a directional antenna >| scanning > for >| open gateways....................... > > Have to be on top of the local mountain (not big but big enough) and > on top of some trees. A bit hard to do as all that land belongs to > their family. I guess they could use a small airplane but not sure how > well Wifi works at 100 MPH. > > Not going to be an issue long as I'm headed over that way this weekend > to lock things down. > > > The big thing is to shut down "Remote Management" from within the "Administration" tab of the router config. That will keep interlopers on the net from trying to play with the Router. The next option is to disable "Wireless Access Web". This will keep any kids driving around searching for wireless access from getting in. (However, keep in mind that doing this will mean that the only way to get "admin" access is through the old RJ45 connection.) Next you may want is to enable the MAC address filter. ("Wireless" -> "Wireless MAC filter"). Then add the MAC addresses of the cards you want to allow access. That should lock it down pretty good. As for games.. what games are you looking at? My wife manages pretty well with Everquest. No problems. From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Fri Jan 13 12:53:00 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Fri Jan 13 07:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: WMF file virus? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in news:dpm9uf$c4p$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > Mike Easter wrote: >> >> > http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/security/holes/story/0,108 0 > 1,107482,00.html?from=story_package >> WMF FAQ: What you need to know - Here's how the flaw works, what >> systems are affected and what you can do about it > > Thanks Mike. Seems like a particularly nasty little critter......of > course most people are familiar with the dangers of zip and exe files, > but a seemingly innocent wmf file.....that could really catch a lot of > unsuspecting folks out. > > Indeed it could be. A nifty anomal in Firefox is that it doesn't know what to do with WMF files and thus opens a dialog box. (Of course one hits CANCEL.) Already seen this thing when tracking down a few spammer sites. So far it appears the new patch appears to be working. But I know it won't be long until they find an exploit through it. From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Jan 13 09:23:33 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Jan 13 09:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Thanks to all for the Wifi input !!! More questions References: Message-ID: "Redstone" | The big thing is to shut down "Remote Management" from within the | "Administration" tab of the router config. That will keep interlopers on | the net from trying to play with the Router. The next option is to | disable "Wireless Access Web". This will keep any kids driving around | searching for wireless access from getting in. (However, keep in mind | that doing this will mean that the only way to get "admin" access is | through the old RJ45 connection.) | | Next you may want is to enable the MAC address filter. ("Wireless" -> | "Wireless MAC filter"). Then add the MAC addresses of the cards you want | to allow access. | | That should lock it down pretty good. | | As for games.. what games are you looking at? My wife manages pretty | well with Everquest. No problems. Thanks, as I'm not a gamer I have not given an though to those. This family is crawling with kids (some their own some borrowed, some from the foster program, some just 'show up' from time to time) Think the Brady bunch joins the Waltons. They are folk of very modest means but are land rich and as such have the room to let the kids run. They also have enough 'make work' to teach them some good lessons. Kids get their needs met, plus money for school etc but any money for 'fun stuff' they have to earn. Mucking out the stalls pays best but if you step out of line and end up on 'work release' you have to earn back your privileges. I've seen kids that will repeatedly pound their heads against an mental brick wall but rarely more than once against a pile of horse sh*t for free. Interesting enough they will jump at the work if they get to ride. Different set of questions: I have two, somewhat related, small projects. In the first I need to set up a closed system (no internet access) to allow a group of lap/desk tops access to a central computer to provide what appears to the users as a real internet access for the purpose of collecting data/information on a short term deployment (think yearly road races). A sub-application for the same equipment is to demo a hot spot in various locations that do not currently have internet access. In the latter we hope to either download existing web sites (preferred) or mock up a few sites for show and tell In the second application we want to provide only access to one (or likely more) select live web sites. Think: you drive into town, access a limited Wifi system and have access to the town's web site, one more of the local merchants' web sites, library, park system, police and special events but not to the internet in general (without a pass word). Any ideas where I can find the information on what software/hardware plus the how to? FP brother_rabbit @ hotmail.com From nobody at nowhere.invalid Fri Jan 13 17:50:04 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Fri Jan 13 11:55:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Thanks to all for the Wifi input !!! More questions References: Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 09:23:33 -0500, Frog Prince coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > Any ideas where I can find the information on what software/hardware plus > the how to? The how to of the second part is easy enough. You need to run your own nameserver. When a client hooks up and gets a DHCP lease it's also given information on what nameservers to use. Your DHCP server should be configured to tell clients to use *your* nameserver. The nameserver has to be configured so that it thinks it's authoritative for all domains ("*"). You then fill out a zone file with records pertaining to the site you want people to see. Consequently, domains for *that* site will resolve and domains elsewhere will be NXDOMAIN. Bingo. People only get access to that one site if they use your setup. -- Steve "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive, difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind- boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." -- Gene "spaf" Spafford (1992) From eddie at eddie.web Fri Jan 13 16:20:23 2006 From: eddie at eddie.web (eddie) Date: Fri Jan 13 16:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Live and Learn - for XP users only Message-ID: I recently had a strange problem on my notebook, that runs XP Pro. The NetBios was corrupted in a strange way. I could see other computers on the local LAN but could not see myself, nor could I see this computer from the other ones. The local server would not start. Some very strange error message. Also, the area in "System" to include a description of the computer was grayed out. Never saw that before. Attempts to manually start the server resulted in an error. First, I did a repair. NG. Then I did a "normal" reinstall which only install XP without damaging any of the other programs. Still NG. So, I bit the bullet and did a complete reinstall, overwriting the existing installation. I know it was complete because it asked for all the things a new install asks for - user ID, passwords, etc. OK, now the network worked properly, but I was having some problems reinstalling Norton. Finally, when I reinstalled Firefox, I got an error message that a previous install was found!!!! I took a look at the folder tree and what to my wondering eyes did I see? Old stuff. Yes, earlier programs and even older accounts! Apparently the complete reinstall is not "clean" but only reinstalls all the Windows files, leaving many of the older data intact. So I will now have to see if there is a real "clean" install, or if I have to actually delete the data manually before reinstalling Windows. So anyone who has ever done what XP calls a reinstall may have been fooled. Not all of the old data is wiped out. I am not even sure if XP offers an option to really erase everything. Anyway, I am once again convinced that Microsoft is not quite an operating system as a series of billiard balls, carefully balanced one upon the other, requiring absolute silence to work properly. From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Jan 13 18:02:15 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Jan 13 18:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Thanks to all for the Wifi input !!! More questions References: Message-ID: "Steven Maesslein" | | > Any ideas where I can find the information on what software/hardware plus | > the how to? | | The how to of the second part is easy enough. | | You need to run your own nameserver. When a client hooks up and gets a | DHCP lease it's also given information on what nameservers to use. Your | DHCP server should be configured to tell clients to use *your* | nameserver. | | The nameserver has to be configured so that it thinks it's authoritative | for all domains ("*"). You then fill out a zone file with records | pertaining to the site you want people to see. Consequently, domains for | *that* site will resolve and domains elsewhere will be NXDOMAIN. Bingo. | People only get access to that one site if they use your setup. | Thanks. Where might I find info on HOW TO RUN/SETUP A NAMESERVER for Dummies as I'm way out of my water here. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jan 13 19:28:38 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Pop) Date: Fri Jan 13 19:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Live and Learn - for XP users only References: Message-ID: ... : So I will now have to see if there is a real "clean" install, or if I : have to actually delete the data manually before reinstalling Windows. : So anyone who has ever done what XP calls a reinstall may have been : fooled. Not all of the old data is wiped out. : I am not even sure if XP offers an option to really erase everything. : Anyway, I am once again convinced that Microsoft is not quite an : operating system as a series of billiard balls, carefully balanced one : upon the other, requiring absolute silence to work properly. Umm, an actual XP install will first format the disk. Howver, XP is also smart enough to look on other disks for previous installs, so you have to lock those out to be absolutely certain. All that said, if you boot from the XP CD, it's a pretty simple operation. You might've lived, but you still have some to learn . Pop From eddie at eddie.web Fri Jan 13 21:33:46 2006 From: eddie at eddie.web (eddie) Date: Fri Jan 13 21:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Live and Learn - for XP users only In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Pop wrote: > ... > : So I will now have to see if there is a real "clean" install, > or if I > : have to actually delete the data manually before reinstalling > Windows. > : So anyone who has ever done what XP calls a reinstall may have > been > : fooled. Not all of the old data is wiped out. > : I am not even sure if XP offers an option to really erase > everything. > : Anyway, I am once again convinced that Microsoft is not quite > an > : operating system as a series of billiard balls, carefully > balanced one > : upon the other, requiring absolute silence to work properly. > > Umm, an actual XP install will first format the disk. Howver, XP > is also smart enough to look on other disks for previous > installs, so you have to lock those out to be absolutely certain. > All that said, if you boot from the XP CD, it's a pretty > simple operation. You might've lived, but you still have some to > learn . > > Pop > > Pop, I am an MSDN Pro and the software is on a DVD, not a CD! I have been working with/for MS since Windows 3.1 and was a beta tester on the original MSN. I run my own successful computer business. Yes, I probably have a lot to learn though; I am still working on the Liszt Transcendental Etudes and have not yet mastered the steering wheel controls for my 650 Watt audio system on my new Eclipse SE. ;) That said, I did indeed boot from the DVD and did a complete over-install as the instructions dictated. The message indicated that everything would be overwritten. It was not. It did overwrite all the Windows programs, registry etc., but did not touch the other elements in the file systems. Had I taken the "offer" to reformat in NTFS, I know that everything would have been deleted, but I now see why many people who think that they are making a "clean" re-install are not. I haven't reinstalled yet, but when I do I want to see if there is an offer to reformat before reinstalling. I did get the warning that the installer had found a previous installation and it would be overwritten, which is what caused me to erroneously believe that I would have had a clean install. Apparently by overwriting a previous install, MS means something quite different. There are no other disks on this system. XP did NOT reformat the disk, which was the entire point of my original message. Perhaps you have something to learn, too. :) I have everything from the earlier system "ghosted" so I have very little to learn in that area, thank you very much. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Jan 14 11:40:50 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Pop) Date: Sat Jan 14 11:45:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Live and Learn - for XP users only References: Message-ID: ... : : That said, I did indeed boot from the DVD and did a complete : over-install as the instructions dictated. The message indicated that : everything would be overwritten. It was not. As you surmised below, "everything" wasn't overwritten. In fact, not even all of the sytem files get overwritten, unfortunately. But then a "clean install" doesn't overwrite "everything", it overwrites, or should anyway, anything that might be leftover information that the install might make use of. As you discovered, it doesn't really do that. : It did overwrite all the Windows programs, registry etc., but did not : touch the other elements in the file systems. Had I taken the "offer" to : reformat in NTFS, I know that everything would have been deleted, but I : now see why many people who think that they are making a "clean" : re-install are not. I hope you're wrong, but I don't think you are in reality. The ONLY way to do a "clean install" is to KNOW before hand what has to be gotten rid of, and then verify that it's gone. I can't find it right now (must have moved off my disk to archive) but I have instructions for an XP "clean install" if you'd like me to look for them. Forget where it came from, but I think I could find it again. It's mostly automated but does require a little registry work as I recall. Haven't used it in a long time now so I forget all the internals. I haven't reinstalled yet, but when I do I want to : see if there is an offer to reformat before reinstalling. Unless you have an OEM disk, there will be. You have to read to see it though; it isn't "in your face" like it should be, IMO. Basically, if you pretend to be a newbie and follow the instructions it'll reformat for you. Beware though: Watch to make sure it hasn't decided there is already an installed system somewhere - just watch the screen. If it find it, the install branches on you and you never realize it unless you're keeping track. I"ve found it's best to jump into the CMOS settings and turn off any other drives if you have windows files stored around other drives. I tried copying the install CD to disk once and it was a give it up right now thing: It kept seeing itself and getting confused. Also keep close track of which drive it's going to format - as I recall it likes to switch beteween calling drive C drive 0 and drive 1 depending on where you are. ... : There are no other disks on this system. : XP did NOT reformat the disk, which was the entire point of my original : message. Perhaps you have something to learn, too. :) Not sure what you mean by that, but of course I have a lot to learn. Anyone who doesn't is very ignorant or stupid. That said, I still think you have some things to learn about the installation - which you're on your way to. Basically, what you have to do is get past the part where it's protecting you from yourself and I found the only way to easily do that is to carefully keep track of the screen; it misleads a person easily by being vague or not telling you some things when you expect to see them, but they are there. Frustrating, it can be! It's pretty easy to format by booting from the CD/DVD by just following the instructions. Usually the complaints are more about "it formatted and didn't tell me!" or, "it installed it to drive D instead of C!" kind of things. If you really can't get it to format, just use a bootable floppy and fdisk to delete and recreate the partition/s. THEN it'll have no choice but to format. I think it even uses fdisk to do the format . I'll take a pass on your education comments; it's not really relevant here. HTH, Pop : I have everything from the earlier system "ghosted" so I have very : little to learn in that area, thank you very much. From devnull at spamcop.net Sat Jan 14 17:06:58 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Jan 14 17:10:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] PING modem problems (Indy?) Message-ID: Just went though a bout of problems with a few Hospice clients and their modems. Seems the respective signal levels were right in the middle of the good range but the problem developed that the up stream signals had a marginal S/N ratio. Changed some modems and on a few problem solved but on some still bad S/N and expect the problem to be in the cable company lines back to the local switching office. We took a known working modem to a bad area and a bad area modem to a know working area. Problem stayed in the bad area. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jan 17 13:54:30 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jan 17 13:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: PING modem problems (Indy?) References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > Just went though a bout of problems with a few Hospice clients and > their modems. Seems the respective signal levels were right in the > middle of the good range but the problem developed that the up stream > signals had a marginal S/N ratio. Changed some modems and on a few > problem solved but on some still bad S/N and expect the problem to be > in the cable company lines back to the local switching office. We > took a known working modem to a bad area and a bad area modem to a > know working area. Problem stayed in the bad area. You want *my* help? The guy who can't figure hardly anything out on his own? ;-) Sounds like a signal line loss problem in the "bad" area. You might want to check the home for cable splitters, older style ones choke off the part of the spectrum used by cable modems IIRC. I had a bunch of 900 (M?)hz splitters replaced by 2500 (M?)hz ones when I had my cable modem installed, that did the trick. Also once had a problem with a corroded connector in the junction box outside my house, sounds like you need a cable tech with one of those handheld gee-whiz monitor thingies that measures signal strength to find out where the loss is occurring. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Jan 17 15:26:23 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Jan 17 15:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: PING modem problems (Indy?) References: Message-ID: "indigo" < | > Just went though a bout of problems with a few Hospice clients and | > their modems. Seems the respective signal levels were right in the | > middle of the good range but the problem developed that the up stream | > signals had a marginal S/N ratio. Changed some modems and on a few | > problem solved but on some still bad S/N and expect the problem to be | > in the cable company lines back to the local switching office. We | > took a known working modem to a bad area and a bad area modem to a | > know working area. Problem stayed in the bad area. | | You want *my* help? The guy who can't figure hardly anything out on his own? | ;-) Hey it was your turn in the barrel. | Sounds like a signal line loss problem in the "bad" area. You might want to | check the home for cable splitters, older style ones choke off the part of | the spectrum used by cable modems IIRC. I had a bunch of 900 (M?)hz | splitters replaced by 2500 (M?)hz ones when I had my cable modem installed, | that did the trick. Also once had a problem with a corroded connector in the | junction box outside my house, sounds like you need a cable tech with one of | those handheld gee-whiz monitor thingies that measures signal strength to | find out where the loss is occurring. The house install is clean. I checked it with a quality TDR. Carried the modem outside to the cable pole drop and still had the problems. Everything points to a back bone problem that is outside my ability to t-shoot. I don't climb any more and I doubt the cable company would be real happy to have me on their lines. BTW the sig levels are almost uniformly in the mid range but the s/n is another matter. Just though of something I wonder if there might be some spurious IM products in their lines? That will be a bear to chase down especially if the cause is a variable. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jan 17 16:32:42 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jan 17 16:35:14 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: PING modem problems (Indy?) References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > Just though of something I wonder if there might be some spurious IM > products in their lines? That will be a bear to chase down especially > if the cause is a variable. Erm, whatsa "spurious IM product"? Any chance the cable line is hung next to a nearby transformer? From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Jan 17 20:30:12 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Jan 17 20:35:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: PING modem problems (Indy?) References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dqjnpq$gd5$1@news.spamcop.net... | Frog Prince wrote: | > Just though of something I wonder if there might be some spurious IM | > products in their lines? That will be a bear to chase down especially | > if the cause is a variable. | | Erm, whatsa "spurious IM product"? Any chance the cable line is hung next to | a nearby transformer? Considering that most of the cable is up in the air I would expect that at some point it passes many transformers. I would doubt the spur from a 60 Hz power source would be that great at the frequency (600+/- MHz) cable runs. Given the amount and variance in what's really pumped down a cable system I'm thinking someone has some levels set too high and there are many poor connections. Aluminum oxide plays hell with IM especially if the set up techs are careless. From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Jan 18 12:31:00 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Jan 18 15:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: WMF file virus? References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > I don't know if you like to listen to audio - internet radio > interviews. There was one the other day on Security Now between Steve > Gibson of GRC and Leo Laporte of TechTV with a guest appearance by > Ilfak Guilfanov - the dude who came up with the important temporary > patch while everyone was waiting for MS to get their ... errrmm... > stuff together. > > Security Now! Episode 21: The Windows MetaFile (WMF) Vulnerability > http://www.grc.com/SecurityNow.htm This podcasting duo of Laporte and Gibson has popped up with some more Gibson 'radicalism' - in which Steve Gibson is now suggesting or perhaps accusing is a better word of MS or perhaps some unknown MS 'badguy' of intentionally creating this WMF 'condition' as a secret backdoor. The podcast and its transcript are here http://www.grc.com/SecurityNow.htm#22 The Windows MetaFile Backdoor? Gibson has also created a tester [KnockKnock] for the vulnerability that is completely different in its operation than Ilfak's - but he still hasn't come up with his 'promised' fix for the Wins before 2K - partly because right now he's believing that the 'backdoor' wasn't installed until 2K and everything that came after. IW Information Week has an article with MS refuting Gibson's claim http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=177100970 Microsoft Refutes Windows 'Back Door' Claim -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Wed Jan 18 21:10:17 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Wed Jan 18 16:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Thanks to all for the Wifi input !!! More questions References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in news:dq9c24$ck9$1 @news.spamcop.net: > > Thanks. Where might I find info on HOW TO RUN/SETUP A NAMESERVER for > Dummies as I'm way out of my water here. > > I think maybe you'd like to consider running a simple Linux server for this one. http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/DNS-HOWTO.html If this is a bit much, there is a book "Linux for Dummies" which may help in putting things into leyman's terms. From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Wed Jan 18 21:17:33 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Wed Jan 18 16:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Thanks to all for the Wifi input !!! More questions References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in news:dq8d6n$okv$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > Different set of questions: > > I have two, somewhat related, small projects. > > In the first I need to set up a closed system (no internet access) to > allow a group of lap/desk tops access to a central computer to provide > what appears to the users as a real internet access for the purpose of > collecting data/information on a short term deployment (think yearly > road races). A sub-application for the same equipment is to demo a > hot spot in various locations that do not currently have internet > access. In the latter we hope to either download existing web sites > (preferred) or mock up a few sites for show and tell > If I read this correctly, you are looking for a simple LAN with a single machine running as a server for database and simple HTTP applications in order to retrieve and input data. This can be done using Windows (and/or Linux) hooked up into either a router or a simple hub. From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Wed Jan 18 21:41:07 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Wed Jan 18 16:45:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Live and Learn - for XP users only References: Message-ID: eddie wrote in news:dq9nub$jfj$1@news.spamcop.net: > message. Perhaps you have something to learn, too. :) > I have everything from the earlier system "ghosted" so I have very > little to learn in that area, thank you very much. I haven't done a WinXP install in a while, so I'm not sure if I remember. But is there anything resembling FDISK on the CD? I have a feeling you may need to do the formatting manually. From not at home.today Thu Jan 19 02:50:40 2006 From: not at home.today (Ant) Date: Wed Jan 18 21:55:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: WMF file virus? References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote: > This podcasting duo of Laporte and Gibson has popped up with some more > Gibson 'radicalism' - in which Steve Gibson is now suggesting or perhaps > accusing is a better word of MS or perhaps some unknown MS 'badguy' of > intentionally creating this WMF 'condition' as a secret backdoor. I've been reading some of Gibson's web pages on other subjects. I'm also a programmer, so I understand the technicalities he addresses. However, he writes a bit like a tabloid journalist and I come away with a feeling of mistrust, in that he hasn't told the whole story. I get the impression that whatever he says is designed to make him look good. > The podcast and its transcript are here > http://www.grc.com/SecurityNow.htm#22 The Windows MetaFile Backdoor? > > Gibson has also created a tester [KnockKnock] for the vulnerability that > is completely different in its operation than Ilfak's - but he still > hasn't come up with his 'promised' fix for the Wins before 2K - partly > because right now he's believing that the 'backdoor' wasn't installed > until 2K and everything that came after. I don't believe there was an intentional back-door; the vulnerability has been there since WMFs were invented. It's to do with how they were designed to work. Later versions of the OS just made an exploit viable because of added shell handling which IE and other programs were able to use. > IW Information Week has an article with MS refuting Gibson's claim > http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=177100970 > Microsoft Refutes Windows 'Back Door' Claim The blog referred to in that article gives the technical details: http://blogs.technet.com/msrc/archive/2006/01/13/417431.aspx Having read that and the Win3.1 SDK [1] documentaion for programming metafile handling, and doing my own tests, I'm inclined to believe MS. Some of the things stated correlate with my findings when testing WMF proof-of-concept exploits on Win2k and Win95. [1] Later editions of the SDK (Sofware Development Kit) in MS Visual Studio provide less information about WMFs. From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Jan 18 19:27:21 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Jan 18 22:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: WMF file virus? References: Message-ID: Ant wrote: > However, he writes a bit like a tabloid journalist and I come away > with a feeling of mistrust, in that he hasn't told the whole story. > I get the impression that whatever he says is designed to make him > look good. Currrently he is backing away from the intentional backdoor notion and is even dropping the 'knockknock' title for his testing program. His new buzzword kick on the subject is MICE 'metafile image code execution' -- so his tester will be a 'mousetrap' instead of a knockknock on the 'backdoor' I believe that he currently believes that the Win9x family is not vulnerable -- which is part of the reason I've been following Gibson on this matter -- since MS's position vis Win9x is nowhere and also misleading. I'm running Win98se. >> Gibson has also created a tester [KnockKnock] > I don't believe there was an intentional back-door; the vulnerability > has been there since WMFs were invented. Maybe not. Maybe just everything since Win2K. Steve Gibson wrote: > Gang, > > The renamed and probably final version of "MouseTrap", GRC's > MICE (Metafile Image Code Execution) detector is now online and > available for downloading and testing ... > > http://www.GRC.com/miscfiles/MouseTrap.exe > > This utility is now completely universal and Windows version > agnostic. It simply checks for whether WMF's are able to run > code ... and it works for detecting WINE's MICE vulnerability as > well. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Jan 18 20:00:31 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Jan 18 23:05:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: WMF file virus? References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > I believe that he currently believes > that the Win9x family is not vulnerable -- which is part of the > reason I've been following Gibson on this matter -- since MS's > position vis Win9x is nowhere and also misleading. I'm running > Win98se. >> The renamed and probably final version of "MouseTrap", GRC's >> MICE (Metafile Image Code Execution) detector is now online and >> available for downloading and testing ... >> >> http://www.GRC.com/miscfiles/MouseTrap.exe >> >> This utility is now completely universal and Windows version >> agnostic. It simply checks for whether WMF's are able to run >> code ... and it works for detecting WINE's MICE vulnerability as >> well. My Win98se tests 'negative' with Gibson's MouseTrap -- it does not execute WMF code according to his testing methods. People are reporting that their patched XPs are also negative, but that unpatched versions show susceptibility. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Jan 19 07:32:02 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Jan 19 07:55:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Thanks to all for the Wifi input !!! More questions References: Message-ID: "Redstone" | > | > Different set of questions: | > | > I have two, somewhat related, small projects. | > | > In the first I need to set up a closed system (no internet access) to | > allow a group of lap/desk tops access to a central computer to provide | > what appears to the users as a real internet access for the purpose of | > collecting data/information on a short term deployment (think yearly | > road races). A sub-application for the same equipment is to demo a | > hot spot in various locations that do not currently have internet | > access. In the latter we hope to either download existing web sites | > (preferred) or mock up a few sites for show and tell | > | | | If I read this correctly, you are looking for a simple LAN with a single | machine running as a server for database and simple HTTP applications in | order to retrieve and input data. | | This can be done using Windows (and/or Linux) hooked up into either a | router or a simple hub. Ok assuming I have a Linksys WRT54G (the access point big brother) I connect the Ethernet NIC via a crossover CAT5 to the AP input (were the cable modem would normally connect). That takes care of the hardware. How do I make the Window/Linux box look and act like a server? From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Thu Jan 19 13:15:01 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Thu Jan 19 08:20:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Thanks to all for the Wifi input !!! More questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Redstone" > | > > Ok assuming I have a Linksys WRT54G (the access point big brother) I connect > the Ethernet NIC via a crossover CAT5 to the AP input (were the cable modem > would normally connect). That takes care of the hardware. > > How do I make the Window/Linux box look and act like a server? > You don't need to do anything special. I assume that nothing will be connected to the internet, so if there isn't a cable to that, then it isn't like you need to block that in any way. But if you are running a webserver on one of the machines which is hosting all the content you want them to see, you just point the other browsers to it, you know, http://192.168.1.12 or whatever IP address you assign to that machine on the local network. You can assign a specific address (and name if you like) to each machine so that machine X thinks it is 192.168.1.11 and Y is 192.168.1.12 or you can have each of the machines contact a DHCP server on that local network and DHCP will tell its address. In Windows, you just assign the address in the network settings (usually some local range like 192.168.X.X) instead of the option to have it automatically be assigned (i.e. try to find a DHCP server to tell it that information). On the Linux machine, you would do the same thing. You would only really need to set the netmask to 255.255.255.0 if all the machines on that network are from say 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.1.254. You probably don't need a gateway set since you won't be talking to the outside world. http://www.johnscloset.net/primer/subnet.html From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Jan 19 08:21:47 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Jan 19 08:30:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Thanks to all for the Wifi input !!! More questions References: Message-ID: "Redstone" | > Thanks. Where might I find info on HOW TO RUN/SETUP A NAMESERVER for | > Dummies as I'm way out of my water here. | | I think maybe you'd like to consider running a simple Linux server for this | one. | | http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/DNS-HOWTO.html | | If this is a bit much, there is a book "Linux for Dummies" which may help | in putting things into leyman's terms. Thanks, this is what I need to REALLY get myself into trouble May take months but I'll be back with more questions. From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Jan 19 08:32:16 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Jan 19 09:00:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Thanks to all for the Wifi input !!! More questions References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:ovf4a3-09h.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... | | > | > | > Ok assuming I have a Linksys WRT54G (the access point big brother) I connect | > the Ethernet NIC via a crossover CAT5 to the AP input (were the cable modem | > would normally connect). That takes care of the hardware. | > | > How do I make the Window/Linux box look and act like a server? | > | | You don't need to do anything special. I assume that nothing will be | connected to the internet, so if there isn't a cable to that, then it | isn't like you need to block that in any way. | | But if you are running a webserver on one of the machines which is | hosting all the content you want them to see, you just point the other | browsers to it, you know, http://192.168.1.12 or whatever IP address you | assign to that machine on the local network. You can assign a specific | address (and name if you like) to each machine so that machine X thinks | it is 192.168.1.11 and Y is 192.168.1.12 or you can have each of the | machines contact a DHCP server on that local network and DHCP will tell | its address. | | In Windows, you just assign the address in the network settings (usually | some local range like 192.168.X.X) instead of the option to have it | automatically be assigned (i.e. try to find a DHCP server to tell it | that information). On the Linux machine, you would do the same thing. | You would only really need to set the netmask to 255.255.255.0 if all | the machines on that network are from say 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.1.254. | You probably don't need a gateway set since you won't be talking to | the outside world. | http://www.johnscloset.net/primer/subnet.html Outside world is part of the other half of my task but one hill at a time. Thanks. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Thu Jan 19 10:53:54 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Pop) Date: Thu Jan 19 10:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: WMF file virus? References: Message-ID: ... : : > I don't believe there was an intentional back-door; the vulnerability : > has been there since WMFs were invented. : : Maybe not. Maybe just everything since Win2K. : That's my understanding, too. I've noted the same sentiments in several different places, including something I saw at MS. No references to back that up though; just my thoughts. Pop : : Steve Gibson wrote: : > Gang, : > : > The renamed and probably final version of "MouseTrap", GRC's : > MICE (Metafile Image Code Execution) detector is now online and : > available for downloading and testing ... : > : > http://www.GRC.com/miscfiles/MouseTrap.exe : > : > This utility is now completely universal and Windows version : > agnostic. It simply checks for whether WMF's are able to run : > code ... and it works for detecting WINE's MICE vulnerability as : > well. : : -- : Mike Easter : kibitzer, not SC admin : From not at home.today Fri Jan 20 00:11:33 2006 From: not at home.today (Ant) Date: Thu Jan 19 19:15:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: WMF file virus? References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote: [snip] > I believe that he currently believes that > the Win9x family is not vulnerable -- which is part of the reason I've > been following Gibson on this matter -- since MS's position vis Win9x is > nowhere and also misleading. I'm running Win98se. Microsoft's unofficial position is stated in the blog link I gave previously: | With WMF we want to be very clear: the Windows 9x platform is not | vulnerable to any "Critical" attack vector. [...] When not printing | to a printer, applications will simply never process the SetAbortProc | record. [...] The remaining attack vectors that we have identified | require extensive user interaction and are not rated "Critical". So the potential for code execution exits, but it's not automatic. >> I don't believe there was an intentional back-door; the vulnerability >> has been there since WMFs were invented. > > Maybe not. Maybe just everything since Win2K. I've just tested the exploit on NT4 SP5, and it runs when the WMF is opened with Irfanview. The vector that facilitates it on XP (shimgvw.dll) is not present in NT4. [from your other post] > My Win98se tests 'negative' with Gibson's MouseTrap -- it does not > execute WMF code according to his testing methods. I've tried all ways to get my PoC exploits to run on Win95, with no luck. One that renders the randomly generated image in Irfanview does not run the exploit even when attempting to print and then canceling. It looks like Win9x users don't have much to worry about. From not at home.today Fri Jan 20 01:19:15 2006 From: not at home.today (Ant) Date: Thu Jan 19 20:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: WMF file virus? References: Message-ID: "Ant" wrote: > Microsoft's unofficial position is stated in the blog link I gave [snip] Another comment from a Microsoftie on Bugtraq: | Subject: RE: Did MS pull an Ilfak? (MS patch bindiff results) | Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:39:28 -0800 | Message-ID: <87132D865951404C8C8B0D68FCE0466C0796B758@RED-MSG-41.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> | From: Greg.Wroblewski@microsoft.com (Greg Wroblewski) | | The only attack vector we know about for Win9x, ME platforms is through | printing. I'm afraid that "fixing" that would break some functionality. From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Fri Jan 20 05:38:53 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Fri Jan 20 00:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Thanks to all for the Wifi input !!! More questions References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in news:dqo3vl$b1d$2@news.spamcop.net: > > Thanks, this is what I need to REALLY get myself into trouble > > May take months but I'll be back with more questions. > > Sorry. Linux is the most robust and inexpensive method for setting up a DNS. It is likely there is software for Windows, but that usually costs $$$. From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Fri Jan 20 05:42:05 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Fri Jan 20 00:45:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Thanks to all for the Wifi input !!! More questions References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in news:dqo5pr$bt2$1@news.spamcop.net: > > Outside world is part of the other half of my task but one hill at a > time. Thanks. > > Linux (at least several flavors of it) comes with it's own http/ftp/telnet servers. And there is also Samba which allows it to interoperate with Windows networks. (i.e. database, program execution, etc.) From nobody at nowhere.invalid Fri Jan 20 11:29:09 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Fri Jan 20 05:30:14 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Thanks to all for the Wifi input !!! More questions References: Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 05:38:53 +0000 (UTC), Redstone coughed into spamcop.geeks and left this in : > Sorry. Linux is the most robust and inexpensive method for setting up a > DNS. It is likely there is software for Windows, but that usually costs > $$$. Actually, the ISC also has a Windoze version of BIND (NT only). -- Steve Good judgment comes from bad experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment. From g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com Fri Jan 20 11:38:32 2006 From: g2p4i1902 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Fri Jan 20 07:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Thanks to all for the Wifi input !!! More questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Redstone wrote: > "Frog Prince" wrote in > news:dqo5pr$bt2$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> Outside world is part of the other half of my task but one hill at a >> time. Thanks. > > Linux (at least several flavors of it) comes with it's own http/ftp/telnet > servers. And there is also Samba which allows it to interoperate with > Windows networks. (i.e. database, program execution, etc.) It is pretty easy to download the install cds and pick the server option install (as opposed to workstation or client) and generally it will just install and configure everything automatically. At least that's what I've found with Fedora (Red Hat). I'm not sure of the others since I've haven't used much else besides Red Hat in years but I assume it all does pretty much the same thing. The installer is pretty easy (graphic one even). If you have installed Windows before, you could certainly install Fedora. Any old computer with enough hard drive space would work too. I have all that stuff running on a rather old P3-500 with 256 megs of memory and it runs fine. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Jan 21 12:14:30 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (RW) Date: Sat Jan 21 13:15:17 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Would you be interested? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ilgaz Ocal wrote: > On 2006-01-07 23:54:47 +0200, Anthony Edwards > said: > >> On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:32:22 -0800, Robert Williams >> wrote: >> >>> I'm working a guy that MAY be able to create an Outlook add-in (for >>> other >>> e-mail programs as well) that would be a simple right-click function to >>> report SPAM to SC. I'm hoping he can write this program so that it >>> can grab >>> the Header and Body information, report to SC, and delete the message >>> (and >>> hopefully multiple messages) in one step. >>> >>> I'd like to take a poll as to how many people would actually be >>> interested >>> in using a program such as this one. >> >> >> I wouldn't be interested in using it, but if it became officially >> adopted by SpamCop as something that SpamCop recommend and offer for >> download, I would recommend it to our end users. I already recommend >> SpamCop to customers enquiring how they should best report spam that >> does not originate from our own network, and such an add-in would be >> a potentially useful addition. > > > "Official recognition" is the keyword. There was a big fight over OS X > Mail Spamcop plugin a year ago or something. Funny enough, I had to deal > with its author in Mac newsgroups without figuring he is "same guy" and > I completely agree to Spamcop on that problem. > > I think you should first ask Spamcop officials about their position in > such a plugin. > > It would rock for Outlook and (maybe sometime) Eudora users of course. > > Have a nice year.. > > Ilgaz I do remember the circumstances around the Mac plugin and eventually pulling it out of the faq. The biggest problem with "official recognition" or even recommendation is the ongoing support for the product. Everytime MS issues a patch there is a chance it breaks something else. Low key third party software is the most vulnerable since it is something MS would likely not have on their testing board prior to releasing a patch. If a product is available that supports SpamCop and our users seem content with the way it works, I will put a link in the faq with the usual disclaimers. Richard From eddie at eddie.web Sat Jan 21 15:07:26 2006 From: eddie at eddie.web (eddie) Date: Sat Jan 21 15:10:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Live and Learn - for XP users only In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Redstone wrote: > eddie wrote in news:dq9nub$jfj$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > > >>message. Perhaps you have something to learn, too. :) >>I have everything from the earlier system "ghosted" so I have very >>little to learn in that area, thank you very much. > > > > I haven't done a WinXP install in a while, so I'm not sure if I remember. > But is there anything resembling FDISK on the CD? I have a feeling you may > need to do the formatting manually. > That's the catch! FDISK is there, but MS stopped putting the 32-bit FAT option in their Format command (which is also there). The only way to install Win2k or XP onto a FAT32 partition is to boot with a CD/DVD/Floppy for Win6.22 and use the tools on that one. There is a great website, bootdisk.com that you can download, free, just such a bootdisk. I now have the notebook HD formatted with FAT32 and when I get the time will once again reinstall XP Pro. Had I wanted NTFS, I would be done by now, but this notebook will be multiboot XP/Linux and since I plan to exchange files, XP must be installed on a FAT32 partition. Also, Bootmagic must sit on a FAT 32 partition, as I recall. Yes, I could have used XP's multiboot option, but I prefer a separate one, although the Linux multiboot program also works quite well. I think MS removed FAT32 from the boot tools in order to promote and essentially force users to NTFS. However, repairing or even accessing a broken NTFS is a royal PITA - I've been there once and that was once too much. :) From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jan 24 21:51:10 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Tue Jan 24 21:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] bah Message-ID: http://isc.sans.org/diary.php?storyid=1067 Ellen From Kilgallen at SpamCop.net Tue Jan 24 22:26:30 2006 From: Kilgallen at SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Date: Tue Jan 24 23:30:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: bah References: Message-ID: In article , "Ellen" writes: > http://isc.sans.org/diary.php?storyid=1067 Well, DMP is the only one of those file types that is used on my VMS system :-) From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Jan 25 12:55:56 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Wed Jan 25 14:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: bah References: Message-ID: "Larry Kilgallen" wrote in message news:lR$u7oMjjBg$@eisner.encompasserve.org... > In article , "Ellen" writes: > > http://isc.sans.org/diary.php?storyid=1067 > > Well, DMP is the only one of those file types that is used on my > VMS system :-) omg I finally found a filetype used on Larry's system !!! This took what? 10 years :-) Ok, one more thing I can scratch off my to-do list! E From mrmaxx at spamcop.net Mon Jan 30 09:34:28 2006 From: mrmaxx at spamcop.net (Maxx Excaliber) Date: Mon Jan 30 09:35:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Visio question Message-ID: One of our HR people has MS Visio (2000, I think) installed on her PC (Windows XP Pro.) Every time she starts it, it goes through some configuration stuff, especially the MSDE configs. She does have a couple different payroll packages installed, but as best I know there is no actual SQL engine or anything like that installed, however, she does have a mapped drive to a payroll database on a server. Anyone got any ideas how to stop the configuration stuff from happening every time she starts up Visio? Thanks Maxx From kenbrody at spamcop.net Tue Jan 31 10:51:45 2006 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Tue Jan 31 11:10:15 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Visio question References: Message-ID: <43DF8791.2CA0E7DE@spamcop.net> Maxx Excaliber wrote: > > One of our HR people has MS Visio (2000, I think) installed on her PC > (Windows XP Pro.) Every time she starts it, it goes through some > configuration stuff, especially the MSDE configs. She does have a couple > different payroll packages installed, but as best I know there is no > actual SQL engine or anything like that installed, however, she does have > a mapped drive to a payroll database on a server. > > Anyone got any ideas how to stop the configuration stuff from happening > every time she starts up Visio? What sort of "configuration stuff" is she getting? -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. 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