From kenbrody at spamcop.net  Wed Mar  1 11:48:51 2006
From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody)
Date: Wed Mar  1 11:55:02 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Strange SMTP problem
Message-ID: <4405D073.32E30741@spamcop.net>

(I've submitted a ticket to my ISP's support, but I'm wondering if anyone
here has seen this before.)

Sometime between Monday afternoon and Tuesday morning, my ISP's SMTP
server stopped working.  By that, I mean that this is how the conversation
with the server goes:

  220 mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net -- Server ESMTP (Sun Java System Messaging
  Server 6.2-4.03 (built Sep 22 2005))
  helo cv.net
  250 mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net OK, MUNGE.optonline.net [69.118.MUNGE].
  mail from: <MUNGE>
  250 2.5.0 Address Ok.
  rcpt to: <MUNGE>
  250 2.1.5 MUNGE OK.
  data


  Connection to host lost.

(The server name in the 220 message varies.)

At first, I thought it was Norton Antivirus, as it would pop up a message
saying something vague about the "connection" being "interrupted".  So I
disabled outgoing e-mail scans, and then Netscape starting complaing that
it got an error from the server, but Netscape claimed that the error was
"2.1.5 MUNGE OK." which didn't make any sense.  (I double-checked, and
code "250" is "success".)  Finally, a direct telnet to the server gave me
the above transcript (more than once), leaving their SMTP server as the
only possible failure point.

-- 
+-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+
| Kenneth J. Brody        | www.hvcomputer.com |                             |
| kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com     | #include <std_disclaimer.h> |
+-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+
Don't e-mail me at: <mailto:ThisIsASpamTrap@gmail.com>

From bud at telus.net  Wed Mar  1 11:21:28 2006
From: bud at telus.net (Bud)
Date: Wed Mar  1 14:25:05 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Is there a way of doing it?
Message-ID: <du4s7p$llc$1@news.spamcop.net>

Some say I have 'way too much time on my hands.

In OE when I mail my friends and family, I dress it up with stationary, 
various fonts and so on. I also insert a midi file which plays when the mail 
is opened. They all seem to enjoy it. Recently I decided to send an MP3 
which I inserted as 'background' from the Format toolbar the same as I was 
doing with MIDI. But apparently no one was hearing any music. When I went 
into 'Sent' and opened it, the music file played so I thought they also 
heard it.

It seems a WAV. or MP3 file can't be inserted except by attachment which is 
no big deal because anyone getting mail from me will not hesitate to open an 
attachment. I just wondered if there was a way to have a music file other 
than MIDI play upon opening the mail.
Now if someone else has more time on their hands than they should have would 
you let me know if I'm bangin' my head against a wall?
--
Bud 


From nobody at spamcop.net  Wed Mar  1 17:20:45 2006
From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo)
Date: Wed Mar  1 17:25:05 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Is there a way of doing it?
References: <du4s7p$llc$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <du56nt$tij$1@news.spamcop.net>



Bud wrote:
> Some say I have 'way too much time on my hands.
>
> In OE when I mail my friends and family, I dress it up with
> stationary, various fonts and so on. I also insert a midi file which
> plays when the mail is opened.

Damn, I'm sure glad I'm not one of your friends or family, that kind of crap
would drive me berserk! I despise stationary, and midis.....well, there's a
special place in hell for folks that use those ;-)


From MikeE at ster.invalid  Wed Mar  1 16:58:19 2006
From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter)
Date: Wed Mar  1 20:00:02 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Is there a way of doing it?
References: <du4s7p$llc$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <du5fuu$3bp$1@news.spamcop.net>

Bud wrote:

> In OE when I mail my friends and family, I dress it up with
> stationary, various fonts and so on. I also insert a midi file which
> plays when the mail is opened.

Ack!!

>  They all seem to enjoy it.

I seriously doubt it.  I more imagine that they know that you enjoy
putting it together and so they tolerate it for your amusement or
enjoyment.  Or maybe about one 'kinda' likes it and the vast majority
don't want to hurt your feelings by telling you that they have no use
for it.

People are very disinclined to tell someone that something that they put
some effort into personalizing isn't their own cup of tea.  "I know you
made that dress, but it is really ugly and I don't even like that style
or those colors anyway."  Not gonna happen.

They are glad to hear from you and they like what you have to say in the
content, but in my mind and I don't know these people who are your
family and not mine, I would imagine that they would almost all rather
just hear from you.

Why don't you send your next few letters as plaintext, and see how many
request that you go back to doctoring them up.  Receiving that kind of
'stuff' should be an opt-in process, not an opt-out -- because it is a
social issue and no one is going to opt-out.  Instead they are going to
feign that they really like it.

But, that's just my opinion -- I'm very 'opinioned' - as if that were
somehow different from 'opinionated'.


-- 
Mike Easter
kibitzer, not SC admin

From khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com  Thu Mar  2 11:10:08 2006
From: khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean)
Date: Thu Mar  2 06:35:07 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Is there a way of doing it?
In-Reply-To: <du4s7p$llc$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <du4s7p$llc$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <jd0jd3-r8k.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org>

Bud wrote:
> Some say I have 'way too much time on my hands.
> 
> It seems a WAV. or MP3 file can't be inserted except by attachment which is 
> no big deal because anyone getting mail from me will not hesitate to open an 
> attachment. I just wondered if there was a way to have a music file other 
> than MIDI play upon opening the mail.
> Now if someone else has more time on their hands than they should have would 
> you let me know if I'm bangin' my head against a wall?

Apparently the tag is something like:
<EMBED SRC=your_file.mp3 AUTOSTART=true HIDDEN=true LOOP=1>
See:
http://www.hardwaregeeks.com/board/archive/index.php/t-22365.html

But I wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't always work.  With that 
recent really nasty security flaw in OE with wmv and mp3 files, 
eventually Microsoft is going to lock down some of those things that 
just automatically play.  Or at least they should.  Perhaps they have 
already:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS02-072.mspx

But I agree with the others.  I've gone to great lengths to shut off any 
of that stuff that happens automatically without me starting it first. 
It would really piss me off if some email started singing to me just by 
opening it.
From user at domain.invalid  Thu Mar  2 11:12:59 2006
From: user at domain.invalid (User)
Date: Thu Mar  2 12:15:05 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Not Listed In bl.spamcop.net ??!!
Message-ID: <du791s$6e2$1@news.spamcop.net>

Mail
>>>> rejected because [64.62.161.203] is listed in bl.spamcop.net -
>>>> see: http://spamcop.net/bl.shtml?64.62.161.203

Why is one of my user's incoming mail being blocked on my server if the
IP 64.62.161.203 is NOT shown as being listed in bl.spamcop.net ??

And is there ANY way to unblock this particular IP on my server?
White_List only goes through SpamAssassin as far as I know.

Thanks
From MikeE at ster.invalid  Thu Mar  2 09:31:31 2006
From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter)
Date: Thu Mar  2 12:35:02 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Not Listed In bl.spamcop.net ??!!
References: <du791s$6e2$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <du7a57$72e$1@news.spamcop.net>

User wrote:
> Mail
>>>>> rejected because [64.62.161.203] is listed in bl.spamcop.net -
>>>>> see: http://spamcop.net/bl.shtml?64.62.161.203
>
> Why is one of my user's incoming mail being blocked on my server if
> the IP 64.62.161.203 is NOT shown as being listed in bl.spamcop.net ??

64.62.161.203  rDNS  hibiscus.onlinepolicy.net
is an output server with a rough estimate of daily output of about
10-20,000 items per day

It is not currently listed anywhere including SC.  We cannot see the
listing history of an IP if it isn't currently listed.  It could have
been listed and automatically delisted now.  The SCbl is extremely
dynamic.

> And is there ANY way to unblock this particular IP on my server?
> White_List only goes through SpamAssassin as far as I know.

You are asking /us/ how to whitelist an IP on your server that you
haven't named its software?  Hmmm.

My free client side spamfilter SpamPal can whitelist an IP.  If you are
running a server you should know what its software is and how to
configure it.


-- 
Mike Easter
kibitzer, not SC admin

From bud at telus.net  Thu Mar  2 09:59:14 2006
From: bud at telus.net (Bud)
Date: Thu Mar  2 13:00:04 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Is there a way of doing it?
References: <du4s7p$llc$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <du7bpm$88b$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Bud" <bud@telus.net> wrote in message news:du4s7p$llc$1@news.spamcop.net...


The reason for my original post was precisely because I received email which 
'wondered' where the music was. I was trying to embed an MP3 which didn't 
work.

To the replies here, that the recipients would not appreciate music with 
their mail;.... I would not be sending it you. I also don't embellish all my 
outgoing mail. A gaggle of nieces and nephews however enjoy them. There is 
one exception; a brother whose reader is configured to 'read/send' plain 
text only, and whose PC speakers barely rival the technology of an RCA 
Victrola. He also gives a Christmas card to his wife with the words, Seasons 
Greetings. His emails have a, To Whom It May Concern flavour, in plain text 
on white stationary in Arial 10. Not for me. OK for 'Letters to the 
Editor'.................and SC.

The assumption that my selected mail recipients would not appreciate an 
imbedded music file is baseless and unwarranted. Better would have been 
"....there is no way to do it". I can handle that. I also could have posted 
in .social where it's open season. I posted in .geeks because it was a 
legitimate tech. question; ...... for me.

I don't post often and to 'regulars' my posts may seem trivial to 'hard 
core' members but all I'm looking for is a possible solution to a question.

But anyway, thanks for the 'advice'.

..........also thanks for the link to 'hardware geeks'. That might work.

--

Bud


From MikeE at ster.invalid  Thu Mar  2 10:42:50 2006
From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter)
Date: Thu Mar  2 13:45:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Is there a way of doing it?
References: <du4s7p$llc$1@news.spamcop.net> <du7bpm$88b$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <du7eat$9ji$1@news.spamcop.net>

Bud wrote:

> 'hard core' members but all I'm looking for is a possible solution to
> a question.

You can only use:

Audio files .wav, .snd, .au, .aif, .aifc, .aiff
MIDI files .mid, .rmi, .midi
Real Media files .ra, .rm, .ram, .rmm

not mp3 or .wma.  You do it with the background sound.

OE/ Format/ Background/ Sound - navigate.  The fileselector shows the
extensions which can be used.  The alert when the sound fails to play
may be about a 'picture' rather than sound.

kb 883355

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/883355  You cannot use an MP3 or WMA
file as the background sound for an e-mail message in Outlook Express

Other sound in email troubleshooting in kb 263065

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/263065/  OLEXP: How to Troubleshoot
Audio Problems in Outlook Express E-mail Messages


-- 
Mike Easter
kibitzer, not SC admin

From anthony.edwards at uk.easynet.net  Thu Mar  2 20:48:40 2006
From: anthony.edwards at uk.easynet.net (Anthony Edwards)
Date: Thu Mar  2 15:50:02 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Is there a way of doing it?
References: <du4s7p$llc$1@news.spamcop.net> <du56nt$tij$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <du7ln8$e4a$1@news.spamcop.net>

On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:20:45 -0500, indigo <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote:

> Damn, I'm sure glad I'm not one of your friends or family, that kind of crap
> would drive me berserk! I despise stationary, and midis.....well, there's a
> special place in hell for folks that use those ;-)

But why would you even notice it?  You might like to try Mutt:

http://www.mutt.org/

-- 
Anthony Edwards              *     anthony.edwards@uk.easynet.net
Abuse Team Manager           *     Tel: 0800 053 0588
Easynet Ltd                  *     DDI: 0161 227 0707
http://www.uk.easynet.net    *     Fax: 0845 333 4503
From bud at telus.net  Thu Mar  2 15:11:56 2006
From: bud at telus.net (Bud)
Date: Thu Mar  2 18:15:02 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Is there a way of doing it?
References: <du4s7p$llc$1@news.spamcop.net> <du7bpm$88b$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<du7eat$9ji$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <du7u40$imb$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Mike Easter" <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote in message 
news:du7eat$9ji$1@news.spamcop.net...
> Bud wrote:
>
>> 'hard core' members but all I'm looking for is a possible solution to
>> a question.
>
> You can only use:
>
> Audio files .wav, .snd, .au, .aif, .aifc, .aiff
> MIDI files .mid, .rmi, .midi
> Real Media files .ra, .rm, .ram, .rmm
>
> not mp3 or .wma.  You do it with the background sound.
>
> OE/ Format/ Background/ Sound - navigate.  The fileselector shows the
> extensions which can be used.  The alert when the sound fails to play
> may be about a 'picture' rather than sound.
>
> kb 883355
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/883355  You cannot use an MP3 or WMA
> file as the background sound for an e-mail message in Outlook Express
>
> Other sound in email troubleshooting in kb 263065
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/263065/  OLEXP: How to Troubleshoot
> Audio Problems in Outlook Express E-mail Messages
>
>
> -- 
> Mike Easter
> kibitzer, not SC admin

Thanks Mike, that's the response I was asking for.
I appreciate it.
--
Bud 


From nobody at nowhere.invalid  Fri Mar  3 00:25:19 2006
From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein)
Date: Thu Mar  2 18:30:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Is there a way of doing it?
References: <du4s7p$llc$1@news.spamcop.net> <du56nt$tij$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<du7ln8$e4a$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <slrne0evmv.h8i.nobody@127.0.0.1>

On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 20:48:40 +0000 (UTC), Anthony Edwards coughed into 
spamcop.geeks and left this in <du7ln8$e4a$1@news.spamcop.net>:

>> Damn, I'm sure glad I'm not one of your friends or family, that kind of crap
>> would drive me berserk! I despise stationary, and midis.....well, there's a
>> special place in hell for folks that use those ;-)
>
> But why would you even notice it?  You might like to try Mutt:
>
> http://www.mutt.org/

Either that or run your inbound mail through this:

http://linux.sgms-centre.com/misc/stripmail/

-- 
Steve

Stupidity is NOT a handicap. Park elsewhere!
From nobody at spamcop.net  Fri Mar  3 17:56:41 2006
From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo)
Date: Fri Mar  3 18:00:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Is there a way of doing it?
References: <du4s7p$llc$1@news.spamcop.net> <du56nt$tij$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<du7ln8$e4a$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <duahj9$a0q$1@news.spamcop.net>



Anthony Edwards wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:20:45 -0500, indigo <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote:
>
> > Damn, I'm sure glad I'm not one of your friends or family, that
> > kind of crap would drive me berserk! I despise stationary, and
> > midis.....well, there's a special place in hell for folks that use
> > those ;-)
>
> But why would you even notice it?  You might like to try Mutt:
>
> http://www.mutt.org/

I work for a corporation. Nuff said.


From pete+usenet at heypete.com  Sat Mar  4 03:35:19 2006
From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson)
Date: Sat Mar  4 06:40:23 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Geeky Gadgets
Message-ID: <pete+usenet-F37CD4.03351904032006@news.cesmail.net>

Greetings all,

I'm looking for two geeky gadgets, but am curious if anyone has any 
hands-on experience.

1. USB fingerprint reader. Should be WinXP compatible, and work with 
Firefox. It should have software necessary to store (and backup) 
usernames and passwords for Windows, various websites, etc. It'd be 
preferably if, when prompted by the website for the login/pass, it'd 
prompt me for my fingerprint. When it receives the fingerprint, it 
should automatically fill in the necessary forms in the browser. Any 
suggestions?

2. Wireless network camera. Should be outdoor-capable, and preferably 
able to connect to an 802.11g network. Many I've seen connect to "b" 
networks with WEP encryption, but I use "g" with WPA/WPA2. I'd prefer to 
use WPA over WEP for obvious reasons. Pan-and-tilt and zoom would be 
nice, as would audio, but isn't necessary.

Just some geeky gadgets I'm thinking of putting on my wish list, but 
nothing serious for now.

Muchos thanks!

-- 
Pete Stephenson
HeyPete.com
From six.million at dollar.man  Sat Mar  4 08:48:59 2006
From: six.million at dollar.man (dwåcôn)
Date: Sat Mar  4 08:50:10 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] boot-up woes
Message-ID: <duc5s4$57r$1@news.spamcop.net>

I notice on occasion, my Windows Server 2003 Standard edition box (Dell 
Precision) will boot up incapable of cut or paste.  I have to reboot to 
enable it.  I am wondering if some service is not starting and if I can 
manually launch it to avoid the hassle of rebooting.

Also, on random reboots the video driver will cause the entire screen to 
flash every six seconds.  It is just an annoyance, but again wondering if 
the NVIDIA GeForce 256 drivers are buggy (checked for update and the wizard 
could not find a better match).

Finally, I typically keep at least one window maximized (usually working 
with Outlook, IE and one other app).  When I want to minimize all to show 
the desktop, the system freezes for 3 seconds.  Could it be a memory thing 
with my graphically intensive desktop background?  That is my guess, just 
wanted to know if perhaps any other ideas.

I have daily updated AV and Spyware (Zone Alarm Security Suite and Pest 
Patrol) and do full scan once a week -- comes up clean.  Also have hardware 
router to fortify software firewall... so pretty sure no one is hacking 
in... at least I hope.

Thanks in advance!


--
dwacon 


From devnull at spamcop.net  Sat Mar  4 08:55:10 2006
From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince)
Date: Sat Mar  4 09:00:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Geeky Gadgets
References: <pete+usenet-F37CD4.03351904032006@news.cesmail.net>
Message-ID: <duc692$5g1$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Pete Stephenson" <

| 2. Wireless network camera. Should be outdoor-capable, and preferably
| able to connect to an 802.11g network. Many I've seen connect to "b"
| networks with WEP encryption, but I use "g" with WPA/WPA2. I'd prefer to
| use WPA over WEP for obvious reasons. Pan-and-tilt and zoom would be
| nice, as would audio, but isn't necessary.
|

I'd be interesed in what you find on this as I've a project for a local
nonprofit that needs a vidio security system and I'd like to do the deed
over the internet to give them a web cam system in the package.


From khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com  Sat Mar  4 14:36:25 2006
From: khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean)
Date: Sat Mar  4 09:40:02 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Geeky Gadgets
In-Reply-To: <duc692$5g1$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <pete+usenet-F37CD4.03351904032006@news.cesmail.net>
	<duc692$5g1$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <duc8lf$74a$1@news.spamcop.net>

Frog Prince wrote:
> "Pete Stephenson" <
> 
> | 2. Wireless network camera. Should be outdoor-capable, and preferably
> | able to connect to an 802.11g network. Many I've seen connect to "b"
> | networks with WEP encryption, but I use "g" with WPA/WPA2. I'd prefer to
> | use WPA over WEP for obvious reasons. Pan-and-tilt and zoom would be
> | nice, as would audio, but isn't necessary.
> 
> I'd be interesed in what you find on this as I've a project for a local
> nonprofit that needs a vidio security system and I'd like to do the deed
> over the internet to give them a web cam system in the package.

Do you specifically need the camera to be wireless?  If not, it seems 
more like a software problem.  If you find just a normal webcam and hook 
it up to a computer, there is software that allows you to run a server 
that allows the camera to be controlled remotely.

Or what exactly do you want done remotely?  If it is a security system, 
you are not going to control it all the time so most of the time the 
camera will be on its own doing whatever it was programmed to do.  Do 
you just want a way to see the pictures it captured or what exactly are 
you looking for?
From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com  Sat Mar  4 16:54:51 2006
From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon)
Date: Sat Mar  4 19:55:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] can't read hd in enclosure
Message-ID: <dudcsu$rt1$1@news.spamcop.net>

Very OT

I cannot read the files from a hard drive in a HD Enclosure connected to a 
windows xp computer. The hard drive is able to boot to windows 98se so is 
viable.

This problem occurs with several enclosures, several windows xp computers 
and several hard drives (all boot to windows 98se - so all are viable.)

The windows xp computers find the 'new hardware', and progress through the 
new hardware routine and say that the hardware is now usable.

The enclosure does not appear in the explorer but is listed in the device 
manager. Device manager says the drive is functional.

Any ideas as to how to read the files from the external hard drive??


From devnull at spamcop.net  Sat Mar  4 20:25:55 2006
From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince)
Date: Sat Mar  4 20:35:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Geeky Gadgets
References: <pete+usenet-F37CD4.03351904032006@news.cesmail.net>
	<duc692$5g1$1@news.spamcop.net> <duc8lf$74a$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <dudf7n$t5a$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Mr K. Mean"

| > | 2. Wireless network camera. Should be outdoor-capable, and preferably
| > | able to connect to an 802.11g network. Many I've seen connect to "b"
| > | networks with WEP encryption, but I use "g" with WPA/WPA2. I'd prefer
to
| > | use WPA over WEP for obvious reasons. Pan-and-tilt and zoom would be
| > | nice, as would audio, but isn't necessary.
| >
| > I'd be interested in what you find on this as I've a project for a local
| > nonprofit that needs a video security system and I'd like to do the deed
| > over the internet to give them a web cam system in the package.
|
| Do you specifically need the camera to be wireless?  If not, it seems
| more like a software problem.  If you find just a normal webcam and hook
| it up to a computer, there is software that allows you to run a server
| that allows the camera to be controlled remotely.
|
| Or what exactly do you want done remotely?  If it is a security system,
| you are not going to control it all the time so most of the time the
| camera will be on its own doing whatever it was programmed to do.  Do
| you just want a way to see the pictures it captured or what exactly are
| you looking for?

We have a bunch of refurbished bank security equipment (long story but the
company pulled the equipment and their tech support refurbished and donated
the stuff)

I've not seen it yet but understand it's all hard wire. All we need do is
buy either a VCR or some other method of recording the video (HDD?).  We've
six cameras currently and likely will expand the coverage with both hardware
and wireless.


From six.million at dollar.man  Sun Mar  5 12:05:39 2006
From: six.million at dollar.man (dwåcôn)
Date: Sun Mar  5 12:10:14 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Narrowed down part of the problem
Message-ID: <duf5p3$nkv$1@news.spamcop.net>

It seems that launching IE6 starts the six-second screen flashing.  I ran 
the latest Microsoft hotfixes but the problem persists.  Will try installing 
Firefox to see if it is an IE specific problem.

Any other tips appreciated. 


From pantheus at suespammers.org  Sun Mar  5 11:07:14 2006
From: pantheus at suespammers.org (Ken)
Date: Sun Mar  5 14:10:04 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Narrowed down part of the problem
References: <duf5p3$nkv$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <pan.2006.03.05.19.07.14.133568@suespammers.org>

On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 12:05:39 -0500, dw?c?n wrote:

> It seems that launching IE6 starts the six-second screen flashing.  I ran 
> the latest Microsoft hotfixes but the problem persists.  Will try installing 
> Firefox to see if it is an IE specific problem.
> 
> Any other tips appreciated.

http://www.mepis.org/node/1462
From joegill at removethis  Sun Mar  5 18:50:30 2006
From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill)
Date: Sun Mar  5 18:55:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Narrowed down part of the problem
References: <duf5p3$nkv$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <duftl3$587$1@news.spamcop.net>


"dwåcôn" <six.million@dollar.man> wrote in message 
news:duf5p3$nkv$1@news.spamcop.net...
> It seems that launching IE6 starts the six-second screen flashing.  I ran 
> the latest Microsoft hotfixes but the problem persists.  Will try 
> installing Firefox to see if it is an IE specific problem.
>
> Any other tips appreciated.
>

I run 2003 Server on my laptop!. It is a development type laptop...
It sounds..from a distance, that the video drivers may not be up to date for 
your level of 2003 Server..
But.. you may not find updated video drivers from many vendors for 2003 
Server. I use the ones for XP for my Dell and they work GREAT!

As for IE, just make sure Windows Maint is up to date.. I am currently 
running with everything except the Service Pack 


From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com  Sun Mar  5 16:50:00 2006
From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon)
Date: Sun Mar  5 19:55:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: can't read hd in enclosure
References: <dudcsu$rt1$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977D460C5F568TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
Message-ID: <dug0vu$7b4$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message 
news:Xns977D460C5F568TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61...
> No way it was me! It was "anon" <vxpy7do02@sneakemail.com>!
>
>> Very OT
>
> In .geeks?  No, pretty apropos, I should think.
>
> So, you've looked at the drives in the Device Manager.  Have you looked at
> them with the Storage Manager ("Disk Management")?  They may be there and
> ready to use - but not have an assigned drive letter.

**
If it is there but without an assigned letter, how do I get a letter 
assigned? I think there is a place where *listed* drives can be reassigned, 
but if it is not listed??

I looked at the list of drives for removable media and there are actually 
four camera card readers (drive letters f,g,h,i) and only f was listed to 
change the drive letter.

Remember this is a hard drive enclosure on a USB port that I am trying to 
read.

Most of  the manager window help sounds like working on an interior drive 
after it HAS been accessed - this external drive has not been accessed - 
seems that the drivers are what have been installed but nothing else.

BTW I took the enclosure back to he store and talked to their service 
department and they could not get it to work (tried another enclosure - same 
result.) They had no idea why (seems they had not had this happen before.
In addition, I had previously tried another drive - didn't work, sent it 
back - replacement did not work either.

Also tried al of the above enclosures on another winxp computer - did not 
work there either.

The only thing that the techs could think of is that the drive is an ATA 
drive formatted for win98se and the computer is a winxp with a different 
file format on its hard drive - maybe winxp can only read drives formatted 
for the 'file format' that xp uses (NTFS, FAT, or FAT32.) I think win98se 
uses FAT or  FAT32, I do not know which xp uses - is this a possibility 
(expecting the hd to be something other than FATx??
***


From joegill at removethis  Sun Mar  5 21:09:15 2006
From: joegill at removethis (Joe Gill)
Date: Sun Mar  5 21:10:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Narrowed down part of the problem
References: <duf5p3$nkv$1@news.spamcop.net> <duftl3$587$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977DC9178BA1FTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
Message-ID: <dug5k9$b40$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message 
news:Xns977DC9178BA1FTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61...
> No way it was me! It was "Joe Gill" <joegill@removethis@prodigy.net>!
>
>> I am currently running with everything except the Service Pack
>
> On your laptop.  Crazy, man.  So, the five minute boots don't bug you?
> Obviously you're not running much in the way of software or you'd have the
> SP on there - it's required to run a lot of things (even though it's
> largely useless).  Still...  NT or even 2000 Server I can see.  But 2003?
> Dang.  Bloated and slow and bleh.  Hmm.  Yeah.  Well, it might be required
> for running Oracle or other things.  Still, bleh.  And dang.

No five minute boots here.. even when attaching to my domain.!!!

When attaching to my domain, bring DB2 enterprise server up, bring a couple 
of desktop 'indexers' up, etc, no way does it take 5 minutes normally. The 
only variable is the attachment to the domain server time

When not connected to the lan, it may under 3 minutes....

I have a full compliment of software on it, most of it Microsoft... 
development software too. and standard desktop tools.... 


From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com  Sun Mar  5 19:38:12 2006
From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon)
Date: Sun Mar  5 22:40:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: can't read hd in enclosure
References: <dudcsu$rt1$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977D460C5F568TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
	<dug0vu$7b4$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977DD185163A0TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
Message-ID: <dugarc$dup$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message 
news:Xns977DD185163A0TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61...
> No way it was me! It was "anon" <vxpy7do02@sneakemail.com>!
>
>> If it is there but without an assigned letter, how do I get a letter
>> assigned? I think there is a place where *listed* drives can be
>> reassigned, but if it is not listed??
>
> In the storage manager, it would be there as a disk - but it wouldn't be
> assigned anything.  I'm not taling about reassigning - that's totally
> different.  Right click on your computer.  Select Manage.  Click on "Disk
> Management".  Right click on the drive (if it shows up!) and assign a
> letter.
>
> Bearing in mind that that would be in bottom pane - you may have to scroll
> down to your drive.  And, hey, if the drive shows up in the Device Manager
> it had better be in the Storage Manager!
>
>
>> Most of  the manager window help sounds like working on an interior
>> drive after it HAS been accessed - this external drive has not been
>> accessed - seems that the drivers are what have been installed but
>> nothing else.
>
> Huh.  I dunno.  I've had disks in the Storage Manager that had nothing - 
> no
> drives, no letters, no data.  But that could just be me :)
>

**
There is the problem - my enclosure hd did not show up in the explorer so 
there was nothing to click on.

Since most of the 'removable media' drives (built in) did not show up in the 
manager, there was nothing to click on there. - how to access those?

For the moment, I have returned the enclosure to the store so cannot try 
anything here - until I get something REAL solid, then I will purchase the 
enclosure again to try those ideas (there was a short time window during 
which I could return the enclosure.)
***

>
>> The only thing that the techs could think of
>
> Time to get new techs :)  Hey, you send me the drive and I can try and 
> work
> something out for you.  But, like, no guarantees, eh?
>
> cheers!
> c 


From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com  Sun Mar  5 19:47:48 2006
From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon)
Date: Sun Mar  5 22:50:06 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] peer to peer lan
Message-ID: <dugbd8$eb9$1@news.spamcop.net>

Looking for a link to the diagram for connecting two computers together as a 
peer to peer LAN using a crossover cat5 cable to the Ethernet ports.

Also need the rest of the information about actually making the two 
computers 'talk' to each other.

Seems that I saw this may years ago when the LANS first started (prior to 
the www.)

I want to use this to copy files from one computer to another without 
burning cds or physically moving the hard drive.

Thanks for the help 


From devnull at spamcop.net  Sun Mar  5 23:33:15 2006
From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince)
Date: Sun Mar  5 23:35:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: peer to peer lan
References: <dugbd8$eb9$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <duge4j$frs$1@news.spamcop.net>

might try http://s11.yousendit.com/

"anon" <vxpy7do02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:dugbd8$eb9$1@news.spamcop.net...
| Looking for a link to the diagram for connecting two computers together as
a
| peer to peer LAN using a crossover cat5 cable to the Ethernet ports.
|
| Also need the rest of the information about actually making the two
| computers 'talk' to each other.
|
| Seems that I saw this may years ago when the LANS first started (prior to
| the www.)
|
| I want to use this to copy files from one computer to another without
| burning cds or physically moving the hard drive.
|
| Thanks for the help
|
|


From Unknown.User at Invalid.Domain  Sun Mar  5 23:41:24 2006
From: Unknown.User at Invalid.Domain (Jan M. Nelken)
Date: Sun Mar  5 23:45:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: peer to peer lan
In-Reply-To: <dugbd8$eb9$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <dugbd8$eb9$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <dugehv$g7t$1@news.spamcop.net>

anon wrote:
> Looking for a link to the diagram for connecting two computers together as a 
> peer to peer LAN using a crossover cat5 cable to the Ethernet ports.
> 
> Also need the rest of the information about actually making the two 
> computers 'talk' to each other.
> 
> Seems that I saw this may years ago when the LANS first started (prior to 
> the www.)
> 
> I want to use this to copy files from one computer to another without 
> burning cds or physically moving the hard drive.
> 
> Thanks for the help 
> 
> 

You want a diagram to connect two computers via crossover cable?????


Hmmm, here it is:

+------------+                          +------------+
|            |                          |            |
| Computer A |=====cross-over cable=====| Computer B |
|            |                          |            |
+------------+                          +------------+


What you also need to do is set up IP addresses on *both* computers - since most 
likely you do not have DHCP server running on either of them. Use one of the 
non-routable ranges - for example set computer A to 192.168.1.1 and computer B 
to 192.168.1.2.

You will be able to use TCP/IP to send/receive files using IP addresses - if you 
have FTP server on one of them.

If not - which is most likely what you are asking for - since yu are asking for 
peer to peer connection - you may use NetBios over TCP/IP by issuing on Computer A:

net use * \\192.168.1.2\C$

x$ shares are administrative type shares which require Administrator priveldge 
to use them; otherwise you have to create shares for relevant drives or directories.

If you don't like using IP addresses - you may also edit hosts file for aliases.

Yell if you need more detailed help.

Jan M. Nelken
From jg at coks.net  Sun Mar  5 20:58:08 2006
From: jg at coks.net (jg)
Date: Mon Mar  6 00:00:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: peer to peer lan
In-Reply-To: <duge4j$frs$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <dugbd8$eb9$1@news.spamcop.net> <duge4j$frs$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <dugfbb$gjr$1@news.spamcop.net>

On 3/5/2006 8:33 PM Frog Prince scribbled:

> might try http://s11.yousendit.com/
> 
no thanks - place has odors...
From user at domain.invalid  Mon Mar  6 08:11:56 2006
From: user at domain.invalid (User)
Date: Mon Mar  6 09:15:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Not Listed In bl.spamcop.net ??!!
In-Reply-To: <du7a57$72e$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <du791s$6e2$1@news.spamcop.net> <du7a57$72e$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <duhfv8$5k6$1@news.spamcop.net>

On 02.03.2006 11:31, Mike Easter wrote:

 --- Original Message ---

> You are asking /us/ how to whitelist an IP on your server that you
> haven't named its software?  Hmmm.
> 
> My free client side spamfilter SpamPal can whitelist an IP.  If you are
> running a server you should know what its software is and how to
> configure it.

I know my server, software and how to configure it ...

Yes, I forgot to list it.

FreeBSD, Apache, sendmail.

The problem was solved on the other end, thanks.

However, white_listing an IP on the server won't have any effect on
being trapped by bl.spamcop as far as I know.
From devnull at spamcop.net  Mon Mar  6 11:59:14 2006
From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince)
Date: Mon Mar  6 12:00:04 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: peer to peer lan
References: <dugbd8$eb9$1@news.spamcop.net> <duge4j$frs$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<dugfbb$gjr$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <duhppv$b66$1@news.spamcop.net>


"jg" <jg@coks.net> wrote in message news:dugfbb$gjr$1@news.spamcop.net...
| On 3/5/2006 8:33 PM Frog Prince scribbled:
|
| > might try http://s11.yousendit.com/
| >
| no thanks - place has odors...

what does that mean?


From jg at coks.net  Mon Mar  6 10:02:37 2006
From: jg at coks.net (jg)
Date: Mon Mar  6 13:00:04 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: peer to peer lan
In-Reply-To: <duhppv$b66$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <dugbd8$eb9$1@news.spamcop.net> <duge4j$frs$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<dugfbb$gjr$1@news.spamcop.net> <duhppv$b66$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <duhta9$edq$1@news.spamcop.net>

On 3/6/2006 8:59 AM Frog Prince scribbled:

> "jg" <jg@coks.net> wrote in message news:dugfbb$gjr$1@news.spamcop.net...
> | On 3/5/2006 8:33 PM Frog Prince scribbled:
> |
> | > might try http://s11.yousendit.com/
> | >
> | no thanks - place has odors...
> 
> what does that mean?
> 
>

Per Siteadvisor,

> This site appears to have a business relationship with Zango, a known provider of adware, 
spyware or other unwanted programs. Use caution before downloading from
this site.

Actually, it just warns to use caution so I may have jumped the gun here...
From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com  Mon Mar  6 10:00:24 2006
From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon)
Date: Mon Mar  6 13:05:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: peer to peer lan
References: <dugbd8$eb9$1@news.spamcop.net> <dugehv$g7t$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <duhtbt$efe$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Jan M. Nelken" <Unknown.User@Invalid.Domain> wrote in message 
news:dugehv$g7t$1@news.spamcop.net...
> anon wrote:
>> Looking for a link to the diagram for connecting two computers together 
>> as a peer to peer LAN using a crossover cat5 cable to the Ethernet ports.
>>
>> Also need the rest of the information about actually making the two 
>> computers 'talk' to each other.
>>
>> Seems that I saw this may years ago when the LANS first started (prior to 
>> the www.)
>>
>> I want to use this to copy files from one computer to another without 
>> burning cds or physically moving the hard drive.
>>
>> Thanks for the help
>
> You want a diagram to connect two computers via crossover cable?????
>
>
> Hmmm, here it is:
>
> +------------+                          +------------+
> |            |                          |            |
> | Computer A |=====cross-over cable=====| Computer B |
> |            |                          |            |
> +------------+                          +------------+
>
>
> What you also need to do is set up IP addresses on *both* computers - 
> since most likely you do not have DHCP server running on either of them. 
> Use one of the non-routable ranges - for example set computer A to 
> 192.168.1.1 and computer B to 192.168.1.2.
>
> You will be able to use TCP/IP to send/receive files using IP addresses - 
> if you have FTP server on one of them.
>
> If not - which is most likely what you are asking for - since yu are 
> asking for peer to peer connection - you may use NetBios over TCP/IP by 
> issuing on Computer A:
>
> net use * \\192.168.1.2\C$
>
> x$ shares are administrative type shares which require Administrator 
> priveldge to use them; otherwise you have to create shares for relevant 
> drives or directories.
>
> If you don't like using IP addresses - you may also edit hosts file for 
> aliases.
>
> Yell if you need more detailed help.
>

**
I thought that the 'wizard' would help with the setup routine (looks like it 
helps assign names to the computer and LAN) but I wonder whether running 
this setup will mess up the settings for my DSL connection. This peer to 
peer is only going to be used ONCE then disconnected forever and my 
connection to the WWW reconnected.

Same question for your suggestions (I really do not want to mess with IP 
addresses) it looks like the wizard sets up aliases.
**

> Jan M. Nelken 


From nobody at nowhere.invalid  Mon Mar  6 21:18:10 2006
From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein)
Date: Mon Mar  6 15:20:06 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Narrowed down part of the problem
References: <duf5p3$nkv$1@news.spamcop.net> <duftl3$587$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977DC9178BA1FTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
	<dug5k9$b40$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977E4FC5AD057TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
Message-ID: <slrne0p682.d7c.nobody@127.0.0.1>

On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 12:49:50 +0000 (UTC), Charles coughed into 
spamcop.geeks and left this in 
<Xns977E4FC5AD057TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>:

>> When not connected to the lan, it may under 3 minutes....
>
> Ooh.  -Only- 3 minutes!  LOL.  You know the old Jobs deal don't you - the 
> one about saving a life???

LOL :)

My non-windows server that does http, smtp, dns, nfs and hylafax boots 
in about 40 seconds. And it's only an old P-II/266 with 128 MB of RAM.

-- 
Steve

The First Commandment for Technicians:
    Beware the lightening that lurketh in the undischarged
    capacitor, lest it cause thee to bounce upon thy buttocks
    in a most untechnician-like manner.
From devnull at spamcop.net  Mon Mar  6 16:52:31 2006
From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince)
Date: Mon Mar  6 17:00:02 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: peer to peer lan
References: <dugbd8$eb9$1@news.spamcop.net> <duge4j$frs$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<dugfbb$gjr$1@news.spamcop.net> <duhppv$b66$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<duhta9$edq$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <duib6m$n2r$1@news.spamcop.net>


"jg" <jg@coks.net>

| > | > might try http://s11.yousendit.com/
| > | >
| > | no thanks - place has odors...
| >
| > what does that mean?
| >
| >
|
| Per Siteadvisor,
|
| > This site appears to have a business relationship with Zango, a known
provider of adware,
| spyware or other unwanted programs. Use caution before downloading from
| this site.
|
| Actually, it just warns to use caution so I may have jumped the gun
here...

I've used it for a year or so and have never had any problems. I use a
firewall, AV and several spyware programs.  I've had several instance were
I've run the security stuff before and after a visit to/from the site and
have never had to delete anything from my HDD.


From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Mar  6 23:20:24 2006
From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise)
Date: Mon Mar  6 18:25:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: can't read hd in enclosure
References: <dudcsu$rt1$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977D460C5F568TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
	<dug0vu$7b4$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977DD185163A0TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
	<dugarc$dup$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <duig6k$q9m$1@news.spamcop.net>


"anon" <vxpy7do02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message 
news:dugarc$dup$1@news.spamcop.net...
>
> There is the problem - my enclosure hd did not show up in the explorer so 
> there was nothing to click on.
>

At the risk of having missed something earlier in the thread, it sounds to 
me like the drive hasn't actually yet been partitioned and formatted - until 
it's been partitioned and formatted, there won't be anything to see in 
Explorer. Did you partition it and format it when you got it home from the 
shop? They usually come with instructions (when supplied in retail packages) 
relating to how to make them usable. The don't usually come pre-partitioned 
and formatted, as they don't know what system you are going to be using. 

From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com  Mon Mar  6 16:04:54 2006
From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon)
Date: Mon Mar  6 19:05:15 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: can't read hd in enclosure
References: <dudcsu$rt1$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977D460C5F568TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
	<dug0vu$7b4$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977DD185163A0TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
	<dugarc$dup$1@news.spamcop.net> <duig6k$q9m$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <duiinc$rir$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Porpoise" <porpoise1954@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:duig6k$q9m$1@news.spamcop.net...
>
> "anon" <vxpy7do02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message 
> news:dugarc$dup$1@news.spamcop.net...
>>
>> There is the problem - my enclosure hd did not show up in the explorer so 
>> there was nothing to click on.
>>
>
> At the risk of having missed something earlier in the thread, it sounds to 
> me like the drive hasn't actually yet been partitioned and formatted - 
> until it's been partitioned and formatted, there won't be anything to see 
> in Explorer. Did you partition it and format it when you got it home from 
> the shop? They usually come with instructions (when supplied in retail 
> packages) relating to how to make them usable. The don't usually come 
> pre-partitioned and formatted, as they don't know what system you are 
> going to be using.

**
Actually, the drive was temporarily removed from an actively running win98se 
computer.

AFAIK the drive satisfied all the requirements required for it to be read by 
another computer - in fact, I had installed it as a slave in another 
computer and it WAS readable. Reset the jumpers and it booted to win 98se.

All the suggestions in this thread seem to come down to the conclusion that 
the drive needs to be reformatted by the winxp computer to be read - that is 
counterproductive as the reason for wanting to read it in the first place is 
that I want to copy files from it to the winxp computer (reformatting 
obviously is not the answer.) 


From six.million at dollar.man  Mon Mar  6 23:28:11 2006
From: six.million at dollar.man (dwåcôn)
Date: Mon Mar  6 23:30:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Narrowed down part of the problem
References: <duf5p3$nkv$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<pan.2006.03.05.19.07.14.133568@suespammers.org>
	<Xns977DB0BDFFC31TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
Message-ID: <duj24p$588$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message 
news:Xns977DB0BDFFC31TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61...
> No way it was me! It was Ken <pantheus@suespammers.org>!
>> On Sun, 05 Mar 2006 12:05:39 -0500, dwåcôn wrote:
>>
>>> It seems that launching IE6 starts the six-second screen flashing.  I
>>> ran the latest Microsoft hotfixes but the problem persists.  Will try
>>> installing Firefox to see if it is an IE specific problem.
>>>
>>> Any other tips appreciated.
>>
>> http://www.mepis.org/node/1462
>
> Har-d-har.  Anyway, hey D!  What the heck are you doing running server
> software on your computer?  From the way you talk about your problems, 
> they
> only happen right after a boot.  Well...  Servers should just run.  Yeah, 
> I
> rebooted mine just, um, er.  Well.  Recentlyish.  Within the last month, 
> at
> least.  But a boot and a shutdown take FOREVER.  It's certainly not
> something that I would impose on anyone!


I occasionally test software so a server OS allowed me to run simulations --  
and I'm too lazy to clear off space on the desk for the XP box, so I 
understand that I could just save myself problems by putting the server in 
the closet and wait for the next release of whatever to play around with... 
but just searching for some ideas to minimize the frustration.



From jg at coks.net  Mon Mar  6 21:25:35 2006
From: jg at coks.net (jg)
Date: Tue Mar  7 00:25:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: peer to peer lan
In-Reply-To: <duib6m$n2r$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <dugbd8$eb9$1@news.spamcop.net> <duge4j$frs$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<dugfbb$gjr$1@news.spamcop.net> <duhppv$b66$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<duhta9$edq$1@news.spamcop.net> <duib6m$n2r$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <duj5aq$6u6$1@news.spamcop.net>

On 3/6/2006 1:52 PM Frog Prince scribbled:

> "jg" <jg@coks.net>
> 
> | > | > might try http://s11.yousendit.com/
> | > | >
> | > | no thanks - place has odors...
> | >
> | > what does that mean?
> | >
> | >
> |
> | Per Siteadvisor,
> |
> | > This site appears to have a business relationship with Zango, a known
> provider of adware,
> | spyware or other unwanted programs. Use caution before downloading from
> | this site.
> |
> | Actually, it just warns to use caution so I may have jumped the gun
> here...
> 
> I've used it for a year or so and have never had any problems. I use a
> firewall, AV and several spyware programs.  I've had several instance were
> I've run the security stuff before and after a visit to/from the site and
> have never had to delete anything from my HDD.
> 
> 
I think the warning flashed by the utility was meant for users less
savvy, myself, in weaker moments, included.
I've also been lurking around NANAE too much - gives one a twitch at
times....
From jg at coks.net  Mon Mar  6 21:55:57 2006
From: jg at coks.net (jg)
Date: Tue Mar  7 00:55:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: can't read hd in enclosure
In-Reply-To: <duiinc$rir$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <dudcsu$rt1$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977D460C5F568TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
	<dug0vu$7b4$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977DD185163A0TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
	<dugarc$dup$1@news.spamcop.net> <duig6k$q9m$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<duiinc$rir$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <duj73o$862$1@news.spamcop.net>

On 3/6/2006 4:04 PM anon scribbled:

> "Porpoise" <porpoise1954@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message 
> news:duig6k$q9m$1@news.spamcop.net...
>> "anon" <vxpy7do02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message 
>> news:dugarc$dup$1@news.spamcop.net...
>>> There is the problem - my enclosure hd did not show up in the explorer so 
>>> there was nothing to click on.
>>>
>> At the risk of having missed something earlier in the thread, it sounds to 
>> me like the drive hasn't actually yet been partitioned and formatted - 
>> until it's been partitioned and formatted, there won't be anything to see 
>> in Explorer. Did you partition it and format it when you got it home from 
>> the shop? They usually come with instructions (when supplied in retail 
>> packages) relating to how to make them usable. The don't usually come 
>> pre-partitioned and formatted, as they don't know what system you are 
>> going to be using.
> 
> **
> Actually, the drive was temporarily removed from an actively running win98se 
> computer.
> 
> AFAIK the drive satisfied all the requirements required for it to be read by 
> another computer - in fact, I had installed it as a slave in another 
> computer and it WAS readable. Reset the jumpers and it booted to win 98se.
> 
> All the suggestions in this thread seem to come down to the conclusion that 
> the drive needs to be reformatted by the winxp computer to be read - that is 
> counterproductive as the reason for wanting to read it in the first place is 
> that I want to copy files from it to the winxp computer (reformatting 
> obviously is not the answer.) 
> 
> 
I was curious about the advice to reformat.  But whats keeping you from
just going to where the HD works and copy the data to a floppy or CD?
The HD problem doesn't sound like its worth the trouble - could be
anywhere in this mix -fat vs. ntfs, bios, HD manufacturer/hardware
failure, XP -
sheesh...
p.s. by /enclosure/ do you mean an internal drive?
From pete+usenet at heypete.com  Mon Mar  6 22:16:52 2006
From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson)
Date: Tue Mar  7 01:20:04 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: peer to peer lan
References: <dugbd8$eb9$1@news.spamcop.net> <duge4j$frs$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <pete+usenet-B4AF5B.22165106032006@news.cesmail.net>

In article <duge4j$frs$1@news.spamcop.net>,
 "Frog Prince" <devnull@spamcop.net> wrote:

> might try http://s11.yousendit.com/

Hamachi (http://www.hamachi.cc/) is similar, but a bit more direct, and 
could be very useful.

It's a one-click-VPN service. Other than the quick data exchange that 
initiates the connection, no data goes through the Hamachi systems. If 
you're both on a LAN, things go at LAN speed.

It's fantastic for playing old LAN-only computer games that have no 
online playing mode. My buddy has Hamachi on his computer, I have it on 
mine, and when we're both logged on and in the same "network", it treats 
us like we're on the same LAN. NAT doesn't give us any problems either. 
Wonderful stuff.

Not sure if that'd help, but give it a shot.

If anon is looking for the actual wiring diagram to make his own 
ethernet cables, then http://i2.tinypic.com/qxqolf.gif has the diagram 
to make a crossover cable.

-- 
Pete Stephenson
HeyPete.com
From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com  Tue Mar  7 11:19:59 2006
From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon)
Date: Tue Mar  7 14:25:04 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Geeky Gadgets
References: <pete+usenet-F37CD4.03351904032006@news.cesmail.net>
Message-ID: <dukmd2$3nc$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Pete Stephenson" <pete+usenet@heypete.com> wrote in message 
news:pete+usenet-F37CD4.03351904032006@news.cesmail.net...
> Greetings all,
>
> I'm looking for two geeky gadgets, but am curious if anyone has any
> hands-on experience.
>
> 1. USB fingerprint reader. Should be WinXP compatible, and work with
> Firefox. It should have software necessary to store (and backup)
> usernames and passwords for Windows, various websites, etc. It'd be
> preferably if, when prompted by the website for the login/pass, it'd
> prompt me for my fingerprint. When it receives the fingerprint, it
> should automatically fill in the necessary forms in the browser. Any
> suggestions?
>
> 2. Wireless network camera. Should be outdoor-capable, and preferably
> able to connect to an 802.11g network. Many I've seen connect to "b"
> networks with WEP encryption, but I use "g" with WPA/WPA2. I'd prefer to
> use WPA over WEP for obvious reasons. Pan-and-tilt and zoom would be
> nice, as would audio, but isn't necessary.
>

**
My son, who developed a web site for an apartment complex that included a 
webcam that the viewer could control sent me the following information and 
link.

He said that the company has both wired and wireless cameras.

Let me know whether this will work and also if you need any additional 
information.

http://www.nuspectra.com/detail.aspx?ID=1760

The company nuspectra.com is a great resource for web cams and also have
excellent customer service.

-- 
A SpamCop user and forum reader,
Not Admin
***

> Just some geeky gadgets I'm thinking of putting on my wish list, but
> nothing serious for now.
>
> Muchos thanks!
>
> -- 
> Pete Stephenson
> HeyPete.com 


From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com  Tue Mar  7 11:26:41 2006
From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon)
Date: Tue Mar  7 14:30:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: can't read hd in enclosure
References: <dudcsu$rt1$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977D460C5F568TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
	<dug0vu$7b4$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977DD185163A0TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
	<dugarc$dup$1@news.spamcop.net> <duig6k$q9m$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<duiinc$rir$1@news.spamcop.net> <duj73o$862$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <dukmpj$42f$1@news.spamcop.net>


"jg" <jg@coks.net> wrote in message news:duj73o$862$1@news.spamcop.net...
> On 3/6/2006 4:04 PM anon scribbled:
>
>> "Porpoise" <porpoise1954@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:duig6k$q9m$1@news.spamcop.net...
>>> "anon" <vxpy7do02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:dugarc$dup$1@news.spamcop.net...
>>>> There is the problem - my enclosure hd did not show up in the explorer 
>>>> so
>>>> there was nothing to click on.
>>>>
>>> At the risk of having missed something earlier in the thread, it sounds 
>>> to
>>> me like the drive hasn't actually yet been partitioned and formatted -
>>> until it's been partitioned and formatted, there won't be anything to 
>>> see
>>> in Explorer. Did you partition it and format it when you got it home 
>>> from
>>> the shop? They usually come with instructions (when supplied in retail
>>> packages) relating to how to make them usable. The don't usually come
>>> pre-partitioned and formatted, as they don't know what system you are
>>> going to be using.
>>
>> **
>> Actually, the drive was temporarily removed from an actively running 
>> win98se
>> computer.
>>
>> AFAIK the drive satisfied all the requirements required for it to be read 
>> by
>> another computer - in fact, I had installed it as a slave in another
>> computer and it WAS readable. Reset the jumpers and it booted to win 
>> 98se.
>>
>> All the suggestions in this thread seem to come down to the conclusion 
>> that
>> the drive needs to be reformatted by the winxp computer to be read - that 
>> is
>> counterproductive as the reason for wanting to read it in the first place 
>> is
>> that I want to copy files from it to the winxp computer (reformatting
>> obviously is not the answer.)
>>
>>
> I was curious about the advice to reformat.  But whats keeping you from
> just going to where the HD works and copy the data to a floppy or CD?
> The HD problem doesn't sound like its worth the trouble - could be
> anywhere in this mix -fat vs. ntfs, bios, HD manufacturer/hardware
> failure, XP -
> sheesh...

**
Actually, I have thousands of files (many,many CDs) that I want to transfer.

I have already copied from some of the CDs, but thought that direct transfer 
would be faster and easier (???) than the CDs. Little did I know how hard it 
would be to implement.
**

> p.s. by /enclosure/ do you mean an internal drive?

**
No that is an external drive connected via a USB cable.

-- 
A SpamCop user and forum reader,
Not Admin
***


From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com  Tue Mar  7 11:31:54 2006
From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon)
Date: Tue Mar  7 14:35:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: peer to peer lan
References: <dugbd8$eb9$1@news.spamcop.net> <duge4j$frs$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<pete+usenet-B4AF5B.22165106032006@news.cesmail.net>
Message-ID: <dukn3c$4cp$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Pete Stephenson" <pete+usenet@heypete.com> wrote in message 
news:pete+usenet-B4AF5B.22165106032006@news.cesmail.net...
> In article <duge4j$frs$1@news.spamcop.net>,
> "Frog Prince" <devnull@spamcop.net> wrote:
>
>> might try http://s11.yousendit.com/
>
> Hamachi (http://www.hamachi.cc/) is similar, but a bit more direct, and
> could be very useful.
>
> It's a one-click-VPN service. Other than the quick data exchange that
> initiates the connection, no data goes through the Hamachi systems. If
> you're both on a LAN, things go at LAN speed.
>
> It's fantastic for playing old LAN-only computer games that have no
> online playing mode. My buddy has Hamachi on his computer, I have it on
> mine, and when we're both logged on and in the same "network", it treats
> us like we're on the same LAN. NAT doesn't give us any problems either.
> Wonderful stuff.
>
> Not sure if that'd help, but give it a shot.
>
> If anon is looking for the actual wiring diagram to make his own
> ethernet cables, then http://i2.tinypic.com/qxqolf.gif has the diagram
> to make a crossover cable.

**
No just want to use the commercial cables.

Other posters have given me the diagrams I needed.

Mostly just the memory jogger (saw the diagram years ago when I did not need 
the information.)

-- 
A SpamCop user and forum reader,
Not Admin
***

>
> -- 
> Pete Stephenson
> HeyPete.com 


From nobody at spamcop.net  Tue Mar  7 14:49:10 2006
From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo)
Date: Tue Mar  7 14:50:02 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: can't read hd in enclosure
References: <dudcsu$rt1$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977D460C5F568TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
	<dug0vu$7b4$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977DD185163A0TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
	<dugarc$dup$1@news.spamcop.net> <duig6k$q9m$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<duiinc$rir$1@news.spamcop.net> <duj73o$862$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<dukmpj$42f$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <duko3m$50a$1@news.spamcop.net>



anon wrote:
> Actually, I have thousands of files (many,many CDs) that I want to
> transfer.
>

Got a DVD burner?


From blacklist-me at davjam.org  Tue Mar  7 20:06:47 2006
From: blacklist-me at davjam.org (David Bolt)
Date: Tue Mar  7 15:10:05 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: can't read hd in enclosure
References: <dudcsu$rt1$1@news.spamcop.net>
 <Xns977D460C5F568TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
 <dug0vu$7b4$1@news.spamcop.net>
 <Xns977DD185163A0TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
 <dugarc$dup$1@news.spamcop.net> <duig6k$q9m$1@news.spamcop.net>
 <duiinc$rir$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <KJKwQfzXfeDEFwzF@dev.null.davjam.org>

On Mon, 6 Mar 2006, anon <vxpy7do02@sneakemail.com> wrote:-

>Actually, the drive was temporarily removed from an actively running win98se
>computer.
>
>AFAIK the drive satisfied all the requirements required for it to be read by
>another computer - in fact, I had installed it as a slave in another
>computer and it WAS readable. Reset the jumpers and it booted to win 98se.

Is there any reason that you can't do this with the WinXP computer? If
there isn't, and assuming the WinXP system isn't one of those SATA-only
systems[0], it'll be a lot quicker than using an external USB enclosure.

While it's not as nice as just plugging in and copying, it's not going
to be that much slower. The main delay is probably going to be in
shutting down and restarting after inserting and removing the drive. The
actual transfers should be as fast, if not faster than using a USB
connection.

>All the suggestions in this thread seem to come down to the conclusion that
>the drive needs to be reformatted by the winxp computer to be read - that is
>counterproductive as the reason for wanting to read it in the first place is
>that I want to copy files from it to the winxp computer (reformatting
>obviously is not the answer.)

I've yet to have to reformat a drive to make WinXP read from it, so
can't see why you'd need to.


[0] And I _think_ I've only ever seen one of those. That was a Dell
system that my brother was stupid enough to buy, although I couldn't say
which one, that came with a SATA HD and IDE DVDRW. When I tried top get
it to see a second IDE HD, it failed completely. Altering the jumper
settings didn't make any difference, and neither did any of the BIOS
settings. The drive itself is perfectly okay, having tested it on
another IDE-only system.

Regards,
  David Bolt

-- 
Member of Team Acorn checking nodes at 50 Mnodes/s: http://www.distributed.net/
AMD1800 1Gb WinXP/SUSE 9.3  | AMD2400 256Mb SuSE 9.0  | A3010 4Mb RISCOS 3.11
AMD2400(32) 768Mb SUSE 10.0 | RPC600 129Mb RISCOS 3.6 | Falcon 14Mb TOS 4.02
AMD2600(64) 512Mb SUSE 10.0 | A4000 4Mb RISCOS 3.11   | STE 4Mb TOS 1.62
From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com  Tue Mar  7 12:20:33 2006
From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon)
Date: Tue Mar  7 15:25:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: can't read hd in enclosure
References: <dudcsu$rt1$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977D460C5F568TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
	<dug0vu$7b4$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977DD185163A0TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
	<dugarc$dup$1@news.spamcop.net> <duig6k$q9m$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<duiinc$rir$1@news.spamcop.net> <duj73o$862$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<dukmpj$42f$1@news.spamcop.net> <duko3m$50a$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <dukpuj$65k$1@news.spamcop.net>


"indigo" <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote in message 
news:duko3m$50a$1@news.spamcop.net...
>
>
> anon wrote:
>> Actually, I have thousands of files (many,many CDs) that I want to
>> transfer.
>>
>
> Got a DVD burner?
>

**
Not on that computer.

-- 
A SpamCop user and forum reader,
Not Admin
***

> 


From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com  Tue Mar  7 12:24:18 2006
From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon)
Date: Tue Mar  7 15:25:06 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: can't read hd in enclosure
References: <dudcsu$rt1$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977D460C5F568TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
	<dug0vu$7b4$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977DD185163A0TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
	<dugarc$dup$1@news.spamcop.net> <duig6k$q9m$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<duiinc$rir$1@news.spamcop.net> <KJKwQfzXfeDEFwzF@dev.null.davjam.org>
Message-ID: <dukq5l$67b$1@news.spamcop.net>


"David Bolt" <blacklist-me@davjam.org> wrote in message 
news:KJKwQfzXfeDEFwzF@dev.null.davjam.org...
> On Mon, 6 Mar 2006, anon <vxpy7do02@sneakemail.com> wrote:-
>
>>Actually, the drive was temporarily removed from an actively running 
>>win98se
>>computer.
>>
>>AFAIK the drive satisfied all the requirements required for it to be read 
>>by
>>another computer - in fact, I had installed it as a slave in another
>>computer and it WAS readable. Reset the jumpers and it booted to win 98se.
>
> Is there any reason that you can't do this with the WinXP computer? If
> there isn't, and assuming the WinXP system isn't one of those SATA-only
> systems[0], it'll be a lot quicker than using an external USB enclosure.
>

**
That is one of the alternatives - actually installing the w98se drive as a 
slave and copying the files.

Thought I would try other methods first. Instead of opening the wxp computer 
and installing the HD.

-- 
A SpamCop user and forum reader,
Not Admin
***

> While it's not as nice as just plugging in and copying, it's not going
> to be that much slower. The main delay is probably going to be in
> shutting down and restarting after inserting and removing the drive. The
> actual transfers should be as fast, if not faster than using a USB
> connection.
>
>>All the suggestions in this thread seem to come down to the conclusion 
>>that
>>the drive needs to be reformatted by the winxp computer to be read - that 
>>is
>>counterproductive as the reason for wanting to read it in the first place 
>>is
>>that I want to copy files from it to the winxp computer (reformatting
>>obviously is not the answer.)
>
> I've yet to have to reformat a drive to make WinXP read from it, so
> can't see why you'd need to.
>
>
> [0] And I _think_ I've only ever seen one of those. That was a Dell
> system that my brother was stupid enough to buy, although I couldn't say
> which one, that came with a SATA HD and IDE DVDRW. When I tried top get
> it to see a second IDE HD, it failed completely. Altering the jumper
> settings didn't make any difference, and neither did any of the BIOS
> settings. The drive itself is perfectly okay, having tested it on
> another IDE-only system.
>
> Regards,
>  David Bolt
>
> -- 
> Member of Team Acorn checking nodes at 50 Mnodes/s: 
> http://www.distributed.net/
> AMD1800 1Gb WinXP/SUSE 9.3  | AMD2400 256Mb SuSE 9.0  | A3010 4Mb RISCOS 
> 3.11
> AMD2400(32) 768Mb SUSE 10.0 | RPC600 129Mb RISCOS 3.6 | Falcon 14Mb TOS 
> 4.02
> AMD2600(64) 512Mb SUSE 10.0 | A4000 4Mb RISCOS 3.11   | STE 4Mb TOS 1.62 


From nobody at spamcop.net  Tue Mar  7 15:39:19 2006
From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo)
Date: Tue Mar  7 15:40:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: can't read hd in enclosure
References: <dudcsu$rt1$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977D460C5F568TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
	<dug0vu$7b4$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977DD185163A0TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
	<dugarc$dup$1@news.spamcop.net> <duig6k$q9m$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<duiinc$rir$1@news.spamcop.net> <duj73o$862$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<dukmpj$42f$1@news.spamcop.net> <duko3m$50a$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<dukpuj$65k$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <dukr1o$6o8$1@news.spamcop.net>



anon wrote:
> "indigo" <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote in message
> news:duko3m$50a$1@news.spamcop.net...
> >
> >
> > anon wrote:
> >> Actually, I have thousands of files (many,many CDs) that I want to
> >> transfer.
> >>
> >
> > Got a DVD burner?
> >
>
> **
> Not on that computer.

Sorry, I meant "external" DVD unit (like the one I have ;-)


From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Mar  7 23:24:00 2006
From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise)
Date: Tue Mar  7 18:30:04 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: can't read hd in enclosure
References: <dudcsu$rt1$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977D460C5F568TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
	<dug0vu$7b4$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977DD185163A0TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
	<dugarc$dup$1@news.spamcop.net> <duig6k$q9m$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<duiinc$rir$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <dul4pt$cfc$1@news.spamcop.net>


"anon" <vxpy7do02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message 
news:duiinc$rir$1@news.spamcop.net...
>
> "Porpoise" <porpoise1954@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message 
> news:duig6k$q9m$1@news.spamcop.net...
>>
>> "anon" <vxpy7do02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message 
>> news:dugarc$dup$1@news.spamcop.net...

>
> **
> Actually, the drive was temporarily removed from an actively running 
> win98se computer.
>
> AFAIK the drive satisfied all the requirements required for it to be read 
> by another computer - in fact, I had installed it as a slave in another 
> computer and it WAS readable. Reset the jumpers and it booted to win 98se.
>
> All the suggestions in this thread seem to come down to the conclusion 
> that the drive needs to be reformatted by the winxp computer to be read - 
> that is counterproductive as the reason for wanting to read it in the 
> first place is that I want to copy files from it to the winxp computer 
> (reformatting obviously is not the answer.)

If it's already formatted and it's a M$ format, then it should be readable 
from XP so I don't know what the problem could be in this instance. Have you 
tried using a Knoppix bootable CD on the host system and using that to copy 
the files?

Or maybe it's something to do with the interface?!? 

From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com  Tue Mar  7 17:58:55 2006
From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon)
Date: Tue Mar  7 21:00:09 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: can't read hd in enclosure
References: <dudcsu$rt1$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977D460C5F568TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
	<dug0vu$7b4$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977DD185163A0TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
	<dugarc$dup$1@news.spamcop.net> <duig6k$q9m$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<duiinc$rir$1@news.spamcop.net> <duj73o$862$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<dukmpj$42f$1@news.spamcop.net> <duko3m$50a$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<dukpuj$65k$1@news.spamcop.net> <dukr1o$6o8$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <duldp2$hkt$1@news.spamcop.net>


"indigo" <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote in message 
news:dukr1o$6o8$1@news.spamcop.net...
>
>
> anon wrote:
>> "indigo" <nobody@spamcop.net> wrote in message
>> news:duko3m$50a$1@news.spamcop.net...
>> >
>> >
>> > anon wrote:
>> >> Actually, I have thousands of files (many,many CDs) that I want to
>> >> transfer.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Got a DVD burner?
>> >
>>
>> **
>> Not on that computer.
>
> Sorry, I meant "external" DVD unit (like the one I have ;-)
>

***
Unfortunately, still  no.

-- 
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Not Admin
***

> 


From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com  Tue Mar  7 18:03:08 2006
From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon)
Date: Tue Mar  7 21:05:09 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: can't read hd in enclosure
References: <dudcsu$rt1$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977D460C5F568TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
	<dug0vu$7b4$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977DD185163A0TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
	<dugarc$dup$1@news.spamcop.net> <duig6k$q9m$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<duiinc$rir$1@news.spamcop.net> <dul4pt$cfc$1@news.spamcop.net>
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"Porpoise" <porpoise1954@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:dul4pt$cfc$1@news.spamcop.net...
>
> "anon" <vxpy7do02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message 
> news:duiinc$rir$1@news.spamcop.net...
>>
>> "Porpoise" <porpoise1954@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message 
>> news:duig6k$q9m$1@news.spamcop.net...
>>>
>>> "anon" <vxpy7do02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message 
>>> news:dugarc$dup$1@news.spamcop.net...
>
>>
>> **
>> Actually, the drive was temporarily removed from an actively running 
>> win98se computer.
>>
>> AFAIK the drive satisfied all the requirements required for it to be read 
>> by another computer - in fact, I had installed it as a slave in another 
>> computer and it WAS readable. Reset the jumpers and it booted to win 
>> 98se.
>>
>> All the suggestions in this thread seem to come down to the conclusion 
>> that the drive needs to be reformatted by the winxp computer to be read - 
>> that is counterproductive as the reason for wanting to read it in the 
>> first place is that I want to copy files from it to the winxp computer 
>> (reformatting obviously is not the answer.)
>
> If it's already formatted and it's a M$ format, then it should be readable 
> from XP so I don't know what the problem could be in this instance. Have 
> you tried using a Knoppix bootable CD on the host system and using that to 
> copy the files?

**
What do you mean by copy files?

What is Knoppix?

Actually I have a complete backup of all files onto CDs (a few months old, 
but no problem updating onto new CDs.)

I was just trying to find the easiest/fastest method of transferring the 
files from one computer to the other.

-- 
A SpamCop user and forum reader,
Not Admin
***

>
> Or maybe it's something to do with the interface?!? 


From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com  Tue Mar  7 20:05:14 2006
From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon)
Date: Tue Mar  7 23:10:02 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Is there a way of doing it?
References: <du4s7p$llc$1@news.spamcop.net> <du5fuu$3bp$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <dull5t$mpf$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Mike Easter" <MikeE@ster.invalid> wrote in message 
news:du5fuu$3bp$1@news.spamcop.net...
> Bud wrote:
>
>> In OE when I mail my friends and family, I dress it up with
>> stationary, various fonts and so on. I also insert a midi file which
>> plays when the mail is opened.
>
> Ack!!
>
>>  They all seem to enjoy it.
>
> I seriously doubt it.  I more imagine that they know that you enjoy
> putting it together and so they tolerate it for your amusement or
> enjoyment.  Or maybe about one 'kinda' likes it and the vast majority
> don't want to hurt your feelings by telling you that they have no use
> for it.
>
> People are very disinclined to tell someone that something that they put
> some effort into personalizing isn't their own cup of tea.  "I know you
> made that dress, but it is really ugly and I don't even like that style
> or those colors anyway."  Not gonna happen.
>
> They are glad to hear from you and they like what you have to say in the
> content, but in my mind and I don't know these people who are your
> family and not mine, I would imagine that they would almost all rather
> just hear from you.
>
> Why don't you send your next few letters as plaintext, and see how many
> request that you go back to doctoring them up.  Receiving that kind of
> 'stuff' should be an opt-in process, not an opt-out -- because it is a
> social issue and no one is going to opt-out.  Instead they are going to
> feign that they really like it.
>
> But, that's just my opinion -- I'm very 'opinioned' - as if that were
> somehow different from 'opinionated'.
>
>

***
Actually I have the sound turned off all the time except when *I* want to 
listen to something special - then I turn it on to listen then off it goes 
again.

If I got one of those, I would not even be aware that it had 'music'. It may 
well be that a lot of his recipients do the same thing.
-- 
A SpamCop user and forum reader,
Not Admin
***

> -- 
> Mike Easter
> kibitzer, not SC admin
> 


From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Mar  8 09:25:56 2006
From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise)
Date: Wed Mar  8 04:30:05 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: can't read hd in enclosure
References: <dudcsu$rt1$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977D460C5F568TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
	<dug0vu$7b4$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977DD185163A0TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
	<dugarc$dup$1@news.spamcop.net> <duig6k$q9m$1@news.spamcop.net>
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	<dule0v$huo$1@news.spamcop.net>
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"anon" <vxpy7do02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message 
news:dule0v$huo$1@news.spamcop.net...
>
> "Porpoise" <porpoise1954@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message 
> news:dul4pt$cfc$1@news.spamcop.net...
>>
>> If it's already formatted and it's a M$ format, then it should be 
>> readable from XP so I don't know what the problem could be in this 
>> instance. Have you tried using a Knoppix bootable CD on the host system 
>> and using that to copy the files?
>
> **
> What do you mean by copy files?

I thought you were trying to copy files to another PC...??

>
> What is Knoppix?

Knoppix is a version of Linux (which will read all your windows files too 
enabling you to do the file operations you desire) which is available as a 
bootable CD (the ISO is downloadable to burn yourself) and runs from the CD 
without needing to be actually installed on the PC.

>
> Actually I have a complete backup of all files onto CDs (a few months old, 
> but no problem updating onto new CDs.)
>
> I was just trying to find the easiest/fastest method of transferring the 
> files from one computer to the other.

From notgiven at nodomain.net  Wed Mar  8 10:11:45 2006
From: notgiven at nodomain.net (C. S.)
Date: Wed Mar  8 10:15:02 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: can't read hd in enclosure
References: <dudcsu$rt1$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977D460C5F568TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
	<dug0vu$7b4$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977DD185163A0TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
	<dugarc$dup$1@news.spamcop.net> <duig6k$q9m$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<duiinc$rir$1@news.spamcop.net> <dul4pt$cfc$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <lkst02l336uu7hpmr6c3u1k5c8k5hi5607@4ax.com>

Sometime around Tue, 7 Mar 2006 23:24:00 -0000, "Porpoise" <porpoise1954@yahoo.co.uk>
deemed it necessary to offer:

> Or maybe it's something to do with the interface?!? 

Exactly what I was leaning towards.

Try a known-working USB cable.
Check the jumpers on the drive; try all valid options. Occasionally a drive will work with
certain hardware -only- with "Cable Select" enabled.
Are the USB port(s) of the system(s) enabled in BIOS? Double-check this.
Is the IDE cable properly connected to the drive? These are sometimes marked for
the opposite of what you'd expect. If possible, flip the cable over at the drive.
From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com  Wed Mar  8 09:42:05 2006
From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon)
Date: Wed Mar  8 12:45:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: can't read hd in enclosure
References: <dudcsu$rt1$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977D460C5F568TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
	<dug0vu$7b4$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977DD185163A0TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
	<dugarc$dup$1@news.spamcop.net> <duig6k$q9m$1@news.spamcop.net>
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	<dule0v$huo$1@news.spamcop.net> <dum82r$1uo$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <dun51g$kde$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Porpoise" <porpoise1954@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:dum82r$1uo$1@news.spamcop.net...
>
> "anon" <vxpy7do02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message 
> news:dule0v$huo$1@news.spamcop.net...
>>
>> "Porpoise" <porpoise1954@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message 
>> news:dul4pt$cfc$1@news.spamcop.net...
>>>
>>> If it's already formatted and it's a M$ format, then it should be 
>>> readable from XP so I don't know what the problem could be in this 
>>> instance. Have you tried using a Knoppix bootable CD on the host system 
>>> and using that to copy the files?
>>
>> **
>> What do you mean by copy files?
>
> I thought you were trying to copy files to another PC...??
>

***
Correct - I am using Ztreewin program to 'mirror' all the open folders onto 
CDs - this program allows me to copy the files onto multiple CDs.

-- 
A SpamCop user and forum reader,
Not Admin
***


>>
>> What is Knoppix?
>
> Knoppix is a version of Linux (which will read all your windows files too 
> enabling you to do the file operations you desire) which is available as a 
> bootable CD (the ISO is downloadable to burn yourself) and runs from the 
> CD without needing to be actually installed on the PC.
>

**
I see -  but what is the advantage of this over other methods of burning 
CDs?
**

>>
>> Actually I have a complete backup of all files onto CDs (a few months 
>> old, but no problem updating onto new CDs.)
>>
>> I was just trying to find the easiest/fastest method of transferring the 
>> files from one computer to the other.
> 


From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com  Wed Mar  8 14:22:18 2006
From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon)
Date: Wed Mar  8 17:25:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: can't read hd in enclosure
References: <dudcsu$rt1$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977D460C5F568TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
	<dug0vu$7b4$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977DD185163A0TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
	<dugarc$dup$1@news.spamcop.net> <duig6k$q9m$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<duiinc$rir$1@news.spamcop.net> <dul4pt$cfc$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<lkst02l336uu7hpmr6c3u1k5c8k5hi5607@4ax.com>
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"C. S." <notgiven@nodomain.net> wrote in message 
news:lkst02l336uu7hpmr6c3u1k5c8k5hi5607@4ax.com...
> Sometime around Tue, 7 Mar 2006 23:24:00 -0000, "Porpoise" 
> <porpoise1954@yahoo.co.uk>
> deemed it necessary to offer:
>
>> Or maybe it's something to do with the interface?!?
>
> Exactly what I was leaning towards.
>
> Try a known-working USB cable.

**
Unfortunately, the cable is the small  (camera) type cable  that came with 
he units.
***
> Check the jumpers on the drive; try all valid options. Occasionally a 
> drive will work with
> certain hardware -only- with "Cable Select" enabled.
> Are the USB port(s) of the system(s) enabled in BIOS? Double-check this.
> Is the IDE cable properly connected to the drive? These are sometimes 
> marked for
> the opposite of what you'd expect. If possible, flip the cable over at the 
> drive.

**
Non symmetrical cable connection - so can't flip.

All USB ports are enabled, did try other ports.

-- 
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Not Admin
***


From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Mar  9 01:36:50 2006
From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise)
Date: Wed Mar  8 20:40:02 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: can't read hd in enclosure
References: <dudcsu$rt1$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977D460C5F568TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
	<dug0vu$7b4$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977DD185163A0TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
	<dugarc$dup$1@news.spamcop.net> <duig6k$q9m$1@news.spamcop.net>
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	<dule0v$huo$1@news.spamcop.net> <dum82r$1uo$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<dun51g$kde$1@news.spamcop.net>
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"anon" <vxpy7do02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message 
news:dun51g$kde$1@news.spamcop.net...
>
> "Porpoise" <porpoise1954@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message 
> news:dum82r$1uo$1@news.spamcop.net...

>>> What is Knoppix?
>>
>> Knoppix is a version of Linux (which will read all your windows files too 
>> enabling you to do the file operations you desire) which is available as 
>> a bootable CD (the ISO is downloadable to burn yourself) and runs from 
>> the CD without needing to be actually installed on the PC.
>>
>
> **
> I see -  but what is the advantage of this over other methods of burning 
> CDs?
> **

Knoppix has nothing to do with burning CDs, it is an operating system 
(Linux) which you can run from CD (so you don't have to install it onto the 
system HDD). It would enable you to read/write/copy/move whatever files you 
like.

(you would have to download the ISO image and burn it to CD yourself first 
though - in order to create the CD from which to run it).

http://www.knoppix.org

From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com  Wed Mar  8 19:52:13 2006
From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon)
Date: Wed Mar  8 22:55:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: can't read hd in enclosure
References: <dudcsu$rt1$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977D460C5F568TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
	<dug0vu$7b4$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<Xns977DD185163A0TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61>
	<dugarc$dup$1@news.spamcop.net> <duig6k$q9m$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<duiinc$rir$1@news.spamcop.net> <dul4pt$cfc$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<dule0v$huo$1@news.spamcop.net> <dum82r$1uo$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<dun51g$kde$1@news.spamcop.net> <duo0rq$56s$1@news.spamcop.net>
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"Porpoise" <porpoise1954@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:duo0rq$56s$1@news.spamcop.net...
>
> "anon" <vxpy7do02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message 
> news:dun51g$kde$1@news.spamcop.net...
>>
>> "Porpoise" <porpoise1954@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message 
>> news:dum82r$1uo$1@news.spamcop.net...
>
>>>> What is Knoppix?
>>>
>>> Knoppix is a version of Linux (which will read all your windows files 
>>> too enabling you to do the file operations you desire) which is 
>>> available as a bootable CD (the ISO is downloadable to burn yourself) 
>>> and runs from the CD without needing to be actually installed on the PC.
>>>
>>
>> **
>> I see -  but what is the advantage of this over other methods of burning 
>> CDs?
>> **
>
> Knoppix has nothing to do with burning CDs, it is an operating system 
> (Linux) which you can run from CD (so you don't have to install it onto 
> the system HDD). It would enable you to read/write/copy/move whatever 
> files you like.
>
> (you would have to download the ISO image and burn it to CD yourself first 
> though - in order to create the CD from which to run it).
>
> http://www.knoppix.org
>

**
If this runs from a CD - how does my DVD/CV burner operate?

It looks like I have to use a separate program (at least that is the way the 
winxp works with my burner) to 'accumulate' the group of files then burn the 
batch to the DVD/CD.

Anyway, linux always sounded like the answer to M$ - but I'm still stuck 
with win(xx.)

-- 
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Not Admin
***


From borgholio at storymind.com  Thu Mar  9 11:45:09 2006
From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio)
Date: Thu Mar  9 14:45:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Battery question.
Message-ID: <duq0j4$cbk$3@news.spamcop.net>

I've been using my Ansmann Energy 8 charger for awhile and it's working 
great.  I'm stocking up on new rechargable batteries for emergencies, but I 
have a question.  I know that battery capacity is increasing constantly.  AA 
NiMH batteries have upwards of 2500mah capacity...maybe more.  When I look 
at a D-cell NiMH, it has almost the same capacity as a AA does.  What's the 
point of a bigger battery if it has the same capacity?  Shouldn't a D-cell 
have about 4x more juice in it?
From eddie at eddie.web  Thu Mar  9 18:23:13 2006
From: eddie at eddie.web (eddie)
Date: Thu Mar  9 18:25:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Battery question.
In-Reply-To: <duq0j4$cbk$3@news.spamcop.net>
References: <duq0j4$cbk$3@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <duqdd9$m15$1@news.spamcop.net>

Borgholio wrote:

> I've been using my Ansmann Energy 8 charger for awhile and it's working 
> great.  I'm stocking up on new rechargable batteries for emergencies, 
> but I have a question.  I know that battery capacity is increasing 
> constantly.  AA NiMH batteries have upwards of 2500mah capacity...maybe 
> more.  When I look at a D-cell NiMH, it has almost the same capacity as 
> a AA does.  What's the point of a bigger battery if it has the same 
> capacity?  Shouldn't a D-cell have about 4x more juice in it?
I had some "C" cells a while ago that were NiCd with the same problem - 
it turns out that the "C" cell simply contained a single NiCd cell in a 
larger container. Yes, it "replaced" a "C" cell, but I thought it was 
false advertising or worse. You may have a similar situation.
From borgholio at storymind.com  Fri Mar 10 09:49:01 2006
From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio)
Date: Fri Mar 10 12:50:02 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Battery question.
In-Reply-To: <duqdd9$m15$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <duq0j4$cbk$3@news.spamcop.net> <duqdd9$m15$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <duse53$rmo$2@news.spamcop.net>

eddie wrote:
> Borgholio wrote:
> 
>> I've been using my Ansmann Energy 8 charger for awhile and it's 
>> working great.  I'm stocking up on new rechargable batteries for 
>> emergencies, but I have a question.  I know that battery capacity is 
>> increasing constantly.  AA NiMH batteries have upwards of 2500mah 
>> capacity...maybe more.  When I look at a D-cell NiMH, it has almost 
>> the same capacity as a AA does.  What's the point of a bigger battery 
>> if it has the same capacity?  Shouldn't a D-cell have about 4x more 
>> juice in it?
> 
> I had some "C" cells a while ago that were NiCd with the same problem - 
> it turns out that the "C" cell simply contained a single NiCd cell in a 
> larger container. Yes, it "replaced" a "C" cell, but I thought it was 
> false advertising or worse. You may have a similar situation.

It's that way with every single large cell battery I've ever had.  The only 
batteries that weigh as much as they should are alkalines.  Maybe I should 
contact the battery manufacturers and see.  I mean given the size of a D 
cell, it should have at least 4x more capacity than a AA.
From borgholio at storymind.com  Fri Mar 10 11:15:10 2006
From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio)
Date: Fri Mar 10 14:15:02 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Battery question.
In-Reply-To: <duqdd9$m15$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <duq0j4$cbk$3@news.spamcop.net> <duqdd9$m15$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <dusj6j$v5g$1@news.spamcop.net>

eddie wrote:
> Borgholio wrote:
> 
>> I've been using my Ansmann Energy 8 charger for awhile and it's 
>> working great.  I'm stocking up on new rechargable batteries for 
>> emergencies, but I have a question.  I know that battery capacity is 
>> increasing constantly.  AA NiMH batteries have upwards of 2500mah 
>> capacity...maybe more.  When I look at a D-cell NiMH, it has almost 
>> the same capacity as a AA does.  What's the point of a bigger battery 
>> if it has the same capacity?  Shouldn't a D-cell have about 4x more 
>> juice in it?
> 
> I had some "C" cells a while ago that were NiCd with the same problem - 
> it turns out that the "C" cell simply contained a single NiCd cell in a 
> larger container. Yes, it "replaced" a "C" cell, but I thought it was 
> false advertising or worse. You may have a similar situation.

The answer I got from Energizer is that the public isn't very interested in 
C and D cell batteries...they mainly want AA and AAA.  Thus, most of the R&D 
is going into AA and AAA.  I'll call Raovac and see if they give me the same 
answer.
From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com  Fri Mar 10 11:55:22 2006
From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon)
Date: Fri Mar 10 15:00:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Battery question.
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"Borgholio" <borgholio@storymind.com> wrote in message 
news:dusj6j$v5g$1@news.spamcop.net...
> eddie wrote:
>> Borgholio wrote:
>>
>>> I've been using my Ansmann Energy 8 charger for awhile and it's working 
>>> great.  I'm stocking up on new rechargable batteries for emergencies, 
>>> but I have a question.  I know that battery capacity is increasing 
>>> constantly.  AA NiMH batteries have upwards of 2500mah capacity...maybe 
>>> more.  When I look at a D-cell NiMH, it has almost the same capacity as 
>>> a AA does.  What's the point of a bigger battery if it has the same 
>>> capacity?  Shouldn't a D-cell have about 4x more juice in it?
>>
>> I had some "C" cells a while ago that were NiCd with the same problem - 
>> it turns out that the "C" cell simply contained a single NiCd cell in a 
>> larger container. Yes, it "replaced" a "C" cell, but I thought it was 
>> false advertising or worse. You may have a similar situation.
>
> The answer I got from Energizer is that the public isn't very interested 
> in C and D cell batteries...they mainly want AA and AAA.  Thus, most of 
> the R&D is going into AA and AAA.  I'll call Raovac and see if they give 
> me the same answer.

***
If you are looking for a LARGE capacity D cell, try the industrial size - 
these weigh ONE-QUARTER OF A POUND each.

I had ten of these suckers in series and when I accidentally shorted them 
the current burned the insulation off of the wire that did it - these are 
upward of one amp capacity for a long time.

You may have to do a little searching to find these but they are the kind 
that are used in the hazardous vapor 'sniffers' that the haz mat people use. 
(That unit uses six *matched* batteries (if one battery goes bad, replace 
all of them.)

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From borgholio at storymind.com  Fri Mar 10 11:59:42 2006
From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio)
Date: Fri Mar 10 15:00:06 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Battery question.
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anon wrote:
> 
> ***
> If you are looking for a LARGE capacity D cell, try the industrial size - 
> these weigh ONE-QUARTER OF A POUND each.
> 
> I had ten of these suckers in series and when I accidentally shorted them 
> the current burned the insulation off of the wire that did it - these are 
> upward of one amp capacity for a long time.
> 
> You may have to do a little searching to find these but they are the kind 
> that are used in the hazardous vapor 'sniffers' that the haz mat people use. 
> (That unit uses six *matched* batteries (if one battery goes bad, replace 
> all of them.)
> 

Well if they're re-charagable, I'll get some of them.  :)
From borgholio at storymind.com  Fri Mar 10 12:02:20 2006
From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio)
Date: Fri Mar 10 15:05:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Battery question.
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Borgholio wrote:
> anon wrote:
> 
>>
>> ***
>> If you are looking for a LARGE capacity D cell, try the industrial 
>> size - these weigh ONE-QUARTER OF A POUND each.
>>
>> I had ten of these suckers in series and when I accidentally shorted 
>> them the current burned the insulation off of the wire that did it - 
>> these are upward of one amp capacity for a long time.
>>
>> You may have to do a little searching to find these but they are the 
>> kind that are used in the hazardous vapor 'sniffers' that the haz mat 
>> people use. (That unit uses six *matched* batteries (if one battery 
>> goes bad, replace all of them.)
>>
> 
> Well if they're re-charagable, I'll get some of them.  :)

Wow...found 9000mah D-cell batteries at www.batterywholesale.com
From borgholio at storymind.com  Fri Mar 10 12:05:28 2006
From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio)
Date: Fri Mar 10 15:05:08 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Battery question.
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Borgholio wrote:
> Borgholio wrote:
> 
>> anon wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> ***
>>> If you are looking for a LARGE capacity D cell, try the industrial 
>>> size - these weigh ONE-QUARTER OF A POUND each.
>>>
>>> I had ten of these suckers in series and when I accidentally shorted 
>>> them the current burned the insulation off of the wire that did it - 
>>> these are upward of one amp capacity for a long time.
>>>
>>> You may have to do a little searching to find these but they are the 
>>> kind that are used in the hazardous vapor 'sniffers' that the haz mat 
>>> people use. (That unit uses six *matched* batteries (if one battery 
>>> goes bad, replace all of them.)
>>>
>>
>> Well if they're re-charagable, I'll get some of them.  :)
> 
> 
> Wow...found 9000mah D-cell batteries at www.batterywholesale.com


11,500mAH D-cell NiMH batteries at www.thomasdistributing.com.....holy cow
From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com  Fri Mar 10 12:24:13 2006
From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon)
Date: Fri Mar 10 15:25:02 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Battery question.
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"Borgholio" <borgholio@storymind.com> wrote in message 
news:duslq3$v5g$2@news.spamcop.net...
> anon wrote:
>>
>> ***
>> If you are looking for a LARGE capacity D cell, try the industrial size - 
>> these weigh ONE-QUARTER OF A POUND each.
>>
>> I had ten of these suckers in series and when I accidentally shorted them 
>> the current burned the insulation off of the wire that did it - these are 
>> upward of one amp capacity for a long time.
>>
>> You may have to do a little searching to find these but they are the kind 
>> that are used in the hazardous vapor 'sniffers' that the haz mat people 
>> use. (That unit uses six *matched* batteries (if one battery goes bad, 
>> replace all of them.)
>>
>
> Well if they're re-charagable, I'll get some of them.  :)

***
Yes, but these were NiCad's with the memory problems.

BTW I have found a method of curing  the memory, shorts, and other problems 
with the NiCads. I fixed up a 'bench' that allowed me to reverse charge the 
batteries with voltage well over 20 volts, I would cycle the battery with 
normal/reverse for a few seconds each and after 'maybe' a half dozen tries 
the battery would act normal (the voltage would peak out at 5 - 10 volts - 
probably burned out the short with the high voltage pressure) and then would 
take a normal charge (and work for a long time normally.)

I see in your later posts that you found the better answer (not NiCads) to 
your problem.

I guess the *industrial* opened the idea door.

-- 
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From borgholio at storymind.com  Fri Mar 10 12:27:22 2006
From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio)
Date: Fri Mar 10 15:30:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Battery question.
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anon wrote:
> "Borgholio" <borgholio@storymind.com> wrote in message 
> news:duslq3$v5g$2@news.spamcop.net...
> 
>>anon wrote:
>>
>>>***
>>>If you are looking for a LARGE capacity D cell, try the industrial size - 
>>>these weigh ONE-QUARTER OF A POUND each.
>>>
>>>I had ten of these suckers in series and when I accidentally shorted them 
>>>the current burned the insulation off of the wire that did it - these are 
>>>upward of one amp capacity for a long time.
>>>
>>>You may have to do a little searching to find these but they are the kind 
>>>that are used in the hazardous vapor 'sniffers' that the haz mat people 
>>>use. (That unit uses six *matched* batteries (if one battery goes bad, 
>>>replace all of them.)
>>>
>>
>>Well if they're re-charagable, I'll get some of them.  :)
> 
> 
> ***
> Yes, but these were NiCad's with the memory problems.
> 
> BTW I have found a method of curing  the memory, shorts, and other problems 
> with the NiCads. I fixed up a 'bench' that allowed me to reverse charge the 
> batteries with voltage well over 20 volts, I would cycle the battery with 
> normal/reverse for a few seconds each and after 'maybe' a half dozen tries 
> the battery would act normal (the voltage would peak out at 5 - 10 volts - 
> probably burned out the short with the high voltage pressure) and then would 
> take a normal charge (and work for a long time normally.)
> 
> I see in your later posts that you found the better answer (not NiCads) to 
> your problem.
> 
> I guess the *industrial* opened the idea door.
> 

True industrial batteries won't work in normal chargers / devices.  But they 
have non-industrials with the stanard button top that have almost 12k mAH. 
I'll be getting some very soon.  :)
From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com  Fri Mar 10 13:10:35 2006
From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon)
Date: Fri Mar 10 16:15:05 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Battery question.
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"Borgholio" <borgholio@storymind.com> wrote in message 
news:dusndv$v5g$5@news.spamcop.net...
> anon wrote:
>> "Borgholio" <borgholio@storymind.com> wrote in message 
>> news:duslq3$v5g$2@news.spamcop.net...
>>
>>>anon wrote:
>>>
>>>>***
>>>>If you are looking for a LARGE capacity D cell, try the industrial 
>>>>size - these weigh ONE-QUARTER OF A POUND each.
>>>>
>>>>I had ten of these suckers in series and when I accidentally shorted 
>>>>them the current burned the insulation off of the wire that did it - 
>>>>these are upward of one amp capacity for a long time.
>>>>
>>>>You may have to do a little searching to find these but they are the 
>>>>kind that are used in the hazardous vapor 'sniffers' that the haz mat 
>>>>people use. (That unit uses six *matched* batteries (if one battery goes 
>>>>bad, replace all of them.)
>>>>
>>>
>>>Well if they're re-charagable, I'll get some of them.  :)
>>
>>
>> ***
>> Yes, but these were NiCad's with the memory problems.
>>
>> BTW I have found a method of curing  the memory, shorts, and other 
>> problems with the NiCads. I fixed up a 'bench' that allowed me to reverse 
>> charge the batteries with voltage well over 20 volts, I would cycle the 
>> battery with normal/reverse for a few seconds each and after 'maybe' a 
>> half dozen tries the battery would act normal (the voltage would peak out 
>> at 5 - 10 volts - probably burned out the short with the high voltage 
>> pressure) and then would take a normal charge (and work for a long time 
>> normally.)
>>
>> I see in your later posts that you found the better answer (not NiCads) 
>> to your problem.
>>
>> I guess the *industrial* opened the idea door.
>>
>
> True industrial batteries won't work in normal chargers / devices.  But 
> they have non-industrials with the stanard button top that have almost 12k 
> mAH. I'll be getting some very soon.  :)

**
These said "industrial" on the side and looked like the standard D 
batteries - that was what fit he sniffer. They were just heavy and high 
capacity. Radio shack has some large capacity Ds but I don't think they 
quite as large as the above.

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From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Mar 10 22:48:23 2006
From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise)
Date: Fri Mar 10 17:50:11 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Battery question.
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"Borgholio" <borgholio@storymind.com> wrote in message 
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>
> True industrial batteries won't work in normal chargers / devices.  But 
> they have non-industrials with the stanard button top that have almost 12k 
> mAH. I'll be getting some very soon.  :)

You mean 12 Ah (1000 * 1/1000ths = 1)    ;-) 

From borgholio at storymind.com  Fri Mar 10 14:53:00 2006
From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio)
Date: Fri Mar 10 17:55:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Battery question.
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Porpoise wrote:
> 
> "Borgholio" <borgholio@storymind.com> wrote in message 
> news:dusndv$v5g$5@news.spamcop.net...
> 
>>
>> True industrial batteries won't work in normal chargers / devices.  
>> But they have non-industrials with the stanard button top that have 
>> almost 12k mAH. I'll be getting some very soon.  :)
> 
> 
> You mean 12 Ah (1000 * 1/1000ths = 1)    ;-)

Well yeah, but they're rated in mAH so that's the figure I use.  :-P  I 
still think that's impressive for a rechargable NiMH...I'm kinda pissed that 
I didn't discover them sooner.  I have several 2400mAH batteries in my 
stockpile.  :-/
From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Mar 10 22:55:00 2006
From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise)
Date: Fri Mar 10 18:00:17 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Battery question.
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"Borgholio" <borgholio@storymind.com> wrote in message 
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> Porpoise wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> You mean 12 Ah (1000 * 1/1000ths = 1)    ;-)
>
> Well yeah, but they're rated in mAH so that's the figure I use.  :-P  I 
> still think that's impressive for a rechargable NiMH...I'm kinda pissed 
> that I didn't discover them sooner.  I have several 2400mAH batteries in 
> my stockpile.  :-/

Yeah, I know what you mean..... pesky digital cameras (battery eaters). 

From borgholio at storymind.com  Fri Mar 10 15:05:01 2006
From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio)
Date: Fri Mar 10 18:05:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Battery question.
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Porpoise wrote:
> 
> "Borgholio" <borgholio@storymind.com> wrote in message 
> news:dusvv0$v5g$6@news.spamcop.net...
> 
>> Porpoise wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You mean 12 Ah (1000 * 1/1000ths = 1)    ;-)
>>
>>
>> Well yeah, but they're rated in mAH so that's the figure I use.  :-P  
>> I still think that's impressive for a rechargable NiMH...I'm kinda 
>> pissed that I didn't discover them sooner.  I have several 2400mAH 
>> batteries in my stockpile.  :-/
> 
> 
> Yeah, I know what you mean..... pesky digital cameras (battery eaters).

Well the AA NiMH batteries are 2 - 3x better than alkaline...so I'm happy 
there.  It's the D-cells that bug me.  I don't understand why Energizer, 
Raovac, and other battery companies don't make D-cells with the max capacity 
possible.
From devnull at spamcop.net  Fri Mar 10 18:29:34 2006
From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince)
Date: Fri Mar 10 18:30:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Battery question.
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"Borgholio" <borgholio@storymind.com> wrote in message
news:dut0lh$v5g$7@news.spamcop.net...
| Porpoise wrote:
| >
| > "Borgholio" <borgholio@storymind.com> wrote in message
| > news:dusvv0$v5g$6@news.spamcop.net...
| >
| >> Porpoise wrote:
| >>
| >>>
| >>>
| >>>
| >>> You mean 12 Ah (1000 * 1/1000ths = 1)    ;-)
| >>
| >>
| >> Well yeah, but they're rated in mAH so that's the figure I use.  :-P
| >> I still think that's impressive for a rechargeable NiMH...I'm kinda
| >> pissed that I didn't discover them sooner.  I have several 2400mAH
| >> batteries in my stockpile.  :-/
| >
| >
| > Yeah, I know what you mean..... pesky digital cameras (battery eaters).
|
| Well the AA NiMH batteries are 2 - 3x better than alkaline...so I'm happy
| there.  It's the D-cells that bug me.  I don't understand why Energizer,
| Raovac, and other battery companies don't make D-cells with the max
capacity
| possible.

Because they sell more using the lower capacity business model.


From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com  Fri Mar 10 15:40:21 2006
From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon)
Date: Fri Mar 10 18:45:14 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Battery question.
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"Frog Prince" <devnull@spamcop.net> wrote in message 
news:dut259$97o$1@news.spamcop.net...
>
> "Borgholio" <borgholio@storymind.com> wrote in message
> news:dut0lh$v5g$7@news.spamcop.net...
> | Porpoise wrote:
> | >
> | > "Borgholio" <borgholio@storymind.com> wrote in message
> | > news:dusvv0$v5g$6@news.spamcop.net...
> | >
> | >> Porpoise wrote:
> | >>
> | >>>
> | >>>
> | >>>
> | >>> You mean 12 Ah (1000 * 1/1000ths = 1)    ;-)
> | >>
> | >>
> | >> Well yeah, but they're rated in mAH so that's the figure I use.  :-P
> | >> I still think that's impressive for a rechargeable NiMH...I'm kinda
> | >> pissed that I didn't discover them sooner.  I have several 2400mAH
> | >> batteries in my stockpile.  :-/
> | >
> | >
> | > Yeah, I know what you mean..... pesky digital cameras (battery 
> eaters).
> |
> | Well the AA NiMH batteries are 2 - 3x better than alkaline...so I'm 
> happy
> | there.  It's the D-cells that bug me.  I don't understand why Energizer,
> | Raovac, and other battery companies don't make D-cells with the max
> capacity
> | possible.
>
> Because they sell more using the lower capacity business model.
>
>

***
Additionally, the capacity is related to the  drain required by the 
application - LED flashlights vs. motorized toys.

You do not require a high capacity battery for something that has low drain 
LEDs or similar load. And anyway the higher the capacity the more it is 
going to cost.

-- 
A SpamCop user and forum reader,
Not Admin
***


From borgholio at storymind.com  Fri Mar 10 15:51:00 2006
From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio)
Date: Fri Mar 10 18:55:09 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Battery question.
In-Reply-To: <dut259$97o$1@news.spamcop.net>
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Frog Prince wrote:
> "Borgholio" <borgholio@storymind.com> wrote in message
> news:dut0lh$v5g$7@news.spamcop.net...
> | Porpoise wrote:
> | >
> | > "Borgholio" <borgholio@storymind.com> wrote in message
> | > news:dusvv0$v5g$6@news.spamcop.net...
> | >
> | >> Porpoise wrote:
> | >>
> | >>>
> | >>>
> | >>>
> | >>> You mean 12 Ah (1000 * 1/1000ths = 1)    ;-)
> | >>
> | >>
> | >> Well yeah, but they're rated in mAH so that's the figure I use.  :-P
> | >> I still think that's impressive for a rechargeable NiMH...I'm kinda
> | >> pissed that I didn't discover them sooner.  I have several 2400mAH
> | >> batteries in my stockpile.  :-/
> | >
> | >
> | > Yeah, I know what you mean..... pesky digital cameras (battery eaters).
> |
> | Well the AA NiMH batteries are 2 - 3x better than alkaline...so I'm happy
> | there.  It's the D-cells that bug me.  I don't understand why Energizer,
> | Raovac, and other battery companies don't make D-cells with the max
> capacity
> | possible.
> 
> Because they sell more using the lower capacity business model.
> 
> 

Not selling to me, anymore. :)
From borgholio at storymind.com  Fri Mar 10 15:51:47 2006
From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio)
Date: Fri Mar 10 18:55:12 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Battery question.
In-Reply-To: <dut2p8$9jb$1@news.spamcop.net>
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anon wrote:
> "Frog Prince" <devnull@spamcop.net> wrote in message 
> news:dut259$97o$1@news.spamcop.net...
> 
>>"Borgholio" <borgholio@storymind.com> wrote in message
>>news:dut0lh$v5g$7@news.spamcop.net...
>>| Porpoise wrote:
>>| >
>>| > "Borgholio" <borgholio@storymind.com> wrote in message
>>| > news:dusvv0$v5g$6@news.spamcop.net...
>>| >
>>| >> Porpoise wrote:
>>| >>
>>| >>>
>>| >>>
>>| >>>
>>| >>> You mean 12 Ah (1000 * 1/1000ths = 1)    ;-)
>>| >>
>>| >>
>>| >> Well yeah, but they're rated in mAH so that's the figure I use.  :-P
>>| >> I still think that's impressive for a rechargeable NiMH...I'm kinda
>>| >> pissed that I didn't discover them sooner.  I have several 2400mAH
>>| >> batteries in my stockpile.  :-/
>>| >
>>| >
>>| > Yeah, I know what you mean..... pesky digital cameras (battery 
>>eaters).
>>|
>>| Well the AA NiMH batteries are 2 - 3x better than alkaline...so I'm 
>>happy
>>| there.  It's the D-cells that bug me.  I don't understand why Energizer,
>>| Raovac, and other battery companies don't make D-cells with the max
>>capacity
>>| possible.
>>
>>Because they sell more using the lower capacity business model.
>>
>>
> 
> 
> ***
> Additionally, the capacity is related to the  drain required by the 
> application - LED flashlights vs. motorized toys.
> 
> You do not require a high capacity battery for something that has low drain 
> LEDs or similar load. And anyway the higher the capacity the more it is 
> going to cost.
> 

Good point.  I don't mind paying for the higher capacity...I mean imagine 
how long six 12,000mAH batteries will last in my Coleman camping lantern.  :)
From post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com  Fri Mar 10 18:19:01 2006
From: post.please.this.email.is.not.valid at example.com (DougW)
Date: Fri Mar 10 19:20:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Battery question.
References: <duq0j4$cbk$3@news.spamcop.net> <duqdd9$m15$1@news.spamcop.net>
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Borgholio did pass the time by typing:

> 11,500mAH D-cell NiMH batteries at www.thomasdistributing.com.....holy cow

That's a _stiff_ f-ing battery. O_O

I buy stuff from Thomas all the time, odd though I never looked for batteries.

Just imagine, a battery powered welder.  :)

-- 
DougW 


From borgholio at storymind.com  Fri Mar 10 16:24:19 2006
From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio)
Date: Fri Mar 10 19:25:13 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Battery question.
In-Reply-To: <dut51f$bec$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <duq0j4$cbk$3@news.spamcop.net> <duqdd9$m15$1@news.spamcop.net>
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DougW wrote:
> Borgholio did pass the time by typing:
> 
> 
>>11,500mAH D-cell NiMH batteries at www.thomasdistributing.com.....holy cow
> 
> 
> That's a _stiff_ f-ing battery. O_O
> 
> I buy stuff from Thomas all the time, odd though I never looked for batteries.
> 
> Just imagine, a battery powered welder.  :)
> 

They have battery powered soldering irons...why not a welder?  :)  Also, 
about 10 of those D-cell batteries will be enough to crank over a car's 
engine a few times.  Wow.
From vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com  Sat Mar 11 12:06:10 2006
From: vxpy7do02 at sneakemail.com (anon)
Date: Sat Mar 11 15:10:02 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Geeky Gadgets
References: <pete+usenet-F37CD4.03351904032006@news.cesmail.net>
	<dukmd2$3nc$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <duvajm$k21$1@news.spamcop.net>

Hey Pete - was the information useful?

"anon" <vxpy7do02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message 
news:dukmd2$3nc$1@news.spamcop.net...
>
> "Pete Stephenson" <pete+usenet@heypete.com> wrote in message 
> news:pete+usenet-F37CD4.03351904032006@news.cesmail.net...
>> Greetings all,
>>
>> I'm looking for two geeky gadgets, but am curious if anyone has any
>> hands-on experience.
>>
>> 1. USB fingerprint reader. Should be WinXP compatible, and work with
>> Firefox. It should have software necessary to store (and backup)
>> usernames and passwords for Windows, various websites, etc. It'd be
>> preferably if, when prompted by the website for the login/pass, it'd
>> prompt me for my fingerprint. When it receives the fingerprint, it
>> should automatically fill in the necessary forms in the browser. Any
>> suggestions?
>>
>> 2. Wireless network camera. Should be outdoor-capable, and preferably
>> able to connect to an 802.11g network. Many I've seen connect to "b"
>> networks with WEP encryption, but I use "g" with WPA/WPA2. I'd prefer to
>> use WPA over WEP for obvious reasons. Pan-and-tilt and zoom would be
>> nice, as would audio, but isn't necessary.
>>
>
> **
> My son, who developed a web site for an apartment complex that included a 
> webcam that the viewer could control sent me the following information and 
> link.
>
> He said that the company has both wired and wireless cameras.
>
> Let me know whether this will work and also if you need any additional 
> information.
>
> http://www.nuspectra.com/detail.aspx?ID=1760
>
> The company nuspectra.com is a great resource for web cams and also have
> excellent customer service.
>
> -- 
> A SpamCop user and forum reader,
> Not Admin
> ***
>
>> Just some geeky gadgets I'm thinking of putting on my wish list, but
>> nothing serious for now.
>>
>> Muchos thanks!
>>
>> -- 
>> Pete Stephenson
>> HeyPete.com
>
> 


From borgholio at storymind.com  Mon Mar 13 11:10:18 2006
From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio)
Date: Mon Mar 13 14:15:02 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Troubleshooting an XP BSOD
In-Reply-To: <dsiobf$opn$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <dsiobf$opn$1@news.spamcop.net>
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Borgholio wrote:
> This one is a bit of a puzzle.  I've been playing an online game for a 
> month or two and once in awhile I'll get a BSOD.  Checking the game's 
> online forums seem to indicate that it's a sound issue.  I've tried 
> several different versions of my sound card drivers, and reducing my 
> hardware acceleration.  So far I haven't had any more BSODs while I was 
> playing the game...but the strangest thing happened.  I woke up this 
> morning and noticed that my computer had rebooted overnight.  I checked 
> the system log and sure enough:
> 
> 0x00000019 (0x00000020, 0x86477000, 0x86477928, 0x0b250000)
> 
> Now seeing as how the computer wasn't doing squat at 2AM, and I was in 
> bed, I don't see what could have happened.  Every online resource points 
> to a device driver...yeah that narrows it down a bit.  :-/

Still getting the exact same error message, as well as what appears to be 1 
- 3 reboots in a row.  It seems to happen mainly between 4am and 5am.  I 
have a few programs (antivirus, Spybot, etc...) set to run around that time, 
so I'll try re-scheduling and see what happens.  This is most annoying 
though.  The fact it happens at roughly the same time every day means it 
can't be a device driver...and why is it even rebooting in the first place? 
  I have it set to NOT reboot when it gets a BSOD.
From borgholio at storymind.com  Mon Mar 13 12:01:07 2006
From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio)
Date: Mon Mar 13 15:05:02 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Troubleshooting an XP BSOD
In-Reply-To: <dv4g2r$fea$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <dsiobf$opn$1@news.spamcop.net> <dv4g2r$fea$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <dv4j23$h0i$1@news.spamcop.net>

Borgholio wrote:
> Borgholio wrote:
> 
>> This one is a bit of a puzzle.  I've been playing an online game for a 
>> month or two and once in awhile I'll get a BSOD.  Checking the game's 
>> online forums seem to indicate that it's a sound issue.  I've tried 
>> several different versions of my sound card drivers, and reducing my 
>> hardware acceleration.  So far I haven't had any more BSODs while I 
>> was playing the game...but the strangest thing happened.  I woke up 
>> this morning and noticed that my computer had rebooted overnight.  I 
>> checked the system log and sure enough:
>>
>> 0x00000019 (0x00000020, 0x86477000, 0x86477928, 0x0b250000)
>>
>> Now seeing as how the computer wasn't doing squat at 2AM, and I was in 
>> bed, I don't see what could have happened.  Every online resource 
>> points to a device driver...yeah that narrows it down a bit.  :-/
> 
> 
> Still getting the exact same error message, as well as what appears to 
> be 1 - 3 reboots in a row.  It seems to happen mainly between 4am and 
> 5am.  I have a few programs (antivirus, Spybot, etc...) set to run 
> around that time, so I'll try re-scheduling and see what happens.  This 
> is most annoying though.  The fact it happens at roughly the same time 
> every day means it can't be a device driver...and why is it even 
> rebooting in the first place?  I have it set to NOT reboot when it gets 
> a BSOD.

I rebooted the system just now to run chkdsk, and when it finished booting, 
the event log showed the same error code.  I was watching it the whole time 
and there was no BSOD at all...yet one was still logged.  :-/  This is 
getting stranger and stranger.
From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Mar 14 00:03:22 2006
From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise)
Date: Mon Mar 13 19:10:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Troubleshooting an XP BSOD
References: <dsiobf$opn$1@news.spamcop.net> <dv4g2r$fea$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<dv4j23$h0i$1@news.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <dv51c6$on9$1@news.spamcop.net>


"Borgholio" <borgholio@storymind.com> wrote in message 
news:dv4j23$h0i$1@news.spamcop.net...
>
> I rebooted the system just now to run chkdsk, and when it finished 
> booting, the event log showed the same error code.  I was watching it the 
> whole time and there was no BSOD at all...yet one was still logged.  :-/ 
> This is getting stranger and stranger.

It's the invasion of the ......................................... COMPUTER 
SNATCHERS!!!!!............ 

From borgholio at storymind.com  Mon Mar 13 16:07:44 2006
From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio)
Date: Mon Mar 13 19:10:07 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Troubleshooting an XP BSOD
In-Reply-To: <dv51c6$on9$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <dsiobf$opn$1@news.spamcop.net> <dv4g2r$fea$1@news.spamcop.net>
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Porpoise wrote:
> 
> "Borgholio" <borgholio@storymind.com> wrote in message 
> news:dv4j23$h0i$1@news.spamcop.net...
> 
>>
>> I rebooted the system just now to run chkdsk, and when it finished 
>> booting, the event log showed the same error code.  I was watching it 
>> the whole time and there was no BSOD at all...yet one was still 
>> logged.  :-/ This is getting stranger and stranger.
> 
> 
> It's the invasion of the ......................................... 
> COMPUTER SNATCHERS!!!!!............

Sure feels like it.  :)  I'm thinking it's some program that's rebooting the 
system.  I have Spybod S&D running at 4 am, and AVG auto-updates at about 
the same time.  It could be that either of them is rebooting the system 
after it updates itself.  I've changed the AVG update time to keep a better 
eye on it.  As for the error codes in event log, I'm thinking it's just 
re-logging crashes that happened some time back, as the error codes are 
always identical.
From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Mar 14 00:23:33 2006
From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise)
Date: Mon Mar 13 19:30:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Troubleshooting an XP BSOD
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"Borgholio" <borgholio@storymind.com> wrote in message 
news:dv51ge$n9e$1@news.spamcop.net...
> Porpoise wrote:
>>
>>
>> It's the invasion of the ......................................... 
>> COMPUTER SNATCHERS!!!!!............
>
> Sure feels like it.  :)  I'm thinking it's some program that's rebooting 
> the system.  I have Spybod S&D running at 4 am, and AVG auto-updates at 
> about the same time.  It could be that either of them is rebooting the 
> system after it updates itself.  I've changed the AVG update time to keep 
> a better eye on it.  As for the error codes in event log, I'm thinking 
> it's just re-logging crashes that happened some time back, as the error 
> codes are always identical.

The error codes could be identical if it's the same error each time. I had 
problems previously with some software clashing with my TV tuner, taking the 
system resources to 90+% and causing the TV software to crash (but leaving 
the sound going in the background!). It took me a little while to discover 
it was F-secure causing the problem (fssm32.exe). Since converting to 
ZoneLabs the problem has not recurred. 

From borgholio at storymind.com  Mon Mar 13 16:32:45 2006
From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio)
Date: Mon Mar 13 19:35:03 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Troubleshooting an XP BSOD
In-Reply-To: <dv52i2$paq$1@news.spamcop.net>
References: <dsiobf$opn$1@news.spamcop.net> <dv4g2r$fea$1@news.spamcop.net>
	<dv4j23$h0i$1@news.spamcop.net> <dv51c6$on9$1@news.spamcop.net>
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Porpoise wrote:
> 
> "Borgholio" <borgholio@storymind.com> wrote in message 
> news:dv51ge$n9e$1@news.spamcop.net...
> 
>> Porpoise wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It's the invasion of the ......................................... 
>>> COMPUTER SNATCHERS!!!!!............
>>
>>
>> Sure feels like it.  :)  I'm thinking it's some program that's 
>> rebooting the system.  I have Spybod S&D running at 4 am, and AVG 
>> auto-updates at about the same time.  It could be that either of them 
>> is rebooting the system after it updates itself.  I've changed the AVG 
>> update time to keep a better eye on it.  As for the error codes in 
>> event log, I'm thinking it's just re-logging crashes that happened 
>> some time back, as the error codes are always identical.
> 
> 
> The error codes could be identical if it's the same error each time. I 
> had problems previously with some software clashing with my TV tuner, 
> taking the system resources to 90+% and causing the TV software to crash 
> (but leaving the sound going in the background!). It took me a little 
> while to discover it was F-secure causing the problem (fssm32.exe). 
> Since converting to ZoneLabs the problem has not recurred.

I'm thinking it's something automatic happening at around 4am....it always 
reboots around that time.
From devnull at spamcop.net  Mon Mar 13 22:51:52 2006
From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince)
Date: Mon Mar 13 22:55:06 2006
Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Troubleshooting an XP BSOD
References: <dsiobf$opn$1@news.spamcop.net> <dv4g2r$fea$1@news.spamcop.net>
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"Borgholio" <borgholio@storymind.com> wrote in message
news:dv52vb$n9e$2@news.spamcop.net...
| Porpoise wrote:
| >
| > "Borgholio" <borgholio@storymind.com> wrote in message
| > news:dv51ge$n9e$1@news.spamcop.net...
| >
| >> Porpoise wrote:
| >>
| >>>
| >>>
| >>> It's the invasion of the .........................................
| >>> COMPUTER SNATCHERS!!!!!............
| >>
| >>
| >> Sure feels like it.  :)  I'm thinking it's some program that's
| >> rebooting the system.  I have Spybod S&D running at 4 am, and AVG
| >> auto-updates at about the same time.  It could be that either of them
| >> is rebooting the system after it updates itself.  I've changed the AVG
| >> update time to keep a better eye on it.  As for the error codes in
| >> event log, I'm thinking it's just re-logging crashes that happened
| >> some time back, as the error codes are always identical.
| >
| >
| > The error codes could be identical if it's the same error each time. I
| > had problems previously with some software clashing with my TV tuner,
| > taking the system resources to 90+% and causing the TV software to crash
| > (but leaving the sound going in the background!). It took me a little
| > while to discover it was F-secure causing the problem (fssm32.exe).
| > Since converting to ZoneLabs the problem has not recurred.
|
| I'm thinking