From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Mar 26 23:10:01 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Apr 25 08:26:10 2009 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Rebate mania References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> My newest trick is to mail a duplicate submission; > I'd say this duplicates thing is a waste of ink, envelope and a stamp. That may be. However the rebate people's instructions are "Keep copies of all submissions" - that must mean something or other. I just don't want to wait 12 weeks before I submit my dupe. Optimally I would like to have a confirmation of delivery. On a 'regular' first class mail, such confirmation costs $2.70 - the less satisfactory 'certificate of mailing' costs $1.10. This is about a $7 rebate. > They wouldn't accept it, they wouldn't even acknowledge it as being > remotely valid or attributable to the other missing piece because > they're looking for any way out of paying these rebates. While I believe that they are looking for any way out -- OTOH I have never failed to receive a rebate which I have submitted. That applies to dozens of rebates. I think not many dozens, perhaps only about two or so. knockknock. > I'm currently waiting on one for a thumb drive, also from Fry's. I have received 2 different $10 rebates on thumbs, one from Emprex and one from Lexar. My most recent thumb purchase was without rebate which was a 4G TDK for $10. > I can however track mine online and since mid february it > has said 'your submission has been received and is being processed'. All > I can say is, they're taking their sweet time! The exact middle of Feb was W7D6, this is just W13D4 - that is 6w2d. My lexar said allow 8 weeks; my emprex said allow 12 weeks. My current issue Raidmax PS said 10-12 weeks. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Mar 26 23:10:01 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Apr 25 08:26:17 2009 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Rebate mania References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Sylvesterthekat wrote: >> I can however track mine online and since mid february it >> has said 'your submission has been received and is being processed'. >> All I can say is, they're taking their sweet time! > > The exact middle of Feb was W7D6, this is just W13D4 - that is 6w2d. My > lexar said allow 8 weeks; my emprex said allow 12 weeks. My current > issue Raidmax PS said 10-12 weeks. Matherror w13d4-w7d6 is 5w5d not 6w2d. So it hasn't even been 6 weeks yet. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Mar 26 23:25:02 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Apr 25 08:26:19 2009 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Rebate mania References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Sidebar: recent case in point. I purchased a Maxtor 500G SATA/300 > drive for a build about a year ago, > and I just sent the drive back in to them. Concerning the maxtor sidebar; I posted it to seagate (in McAllen TX) Monday; an email today said they had shipped my replacement today. Pretty fast so far. We'll see how well UPS ground does. I predict that UPS will not successfully deliver it to my door, but instead I will get some kind of communication that sez that I should go pick it up at the UPS place which drive to pickup is over an hour round trip. I would dearly dearly love if major businesses could use the USPS for things. They all have such a sweetheart deal with such as UPS that they won't have anything to do with the postal service. I guarantee that if I can figure out how much they paid UPS, that they will have paid UPS more money to spend about a week delivering something part way than I paid the USPS for insured priority which reached them in 2 days. A major major postal facility is about 5 minutes from my house and not even a special trip to get there. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Mar 26 23:35:02 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sat Apr 25 08:26:28 2009 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Rebate mania In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: >I guarantee that if I > can figure out how much they paid UPS, that they will have paid UPS more > money to spend about a week delivering something part way than I paid the > USPS for insured priority which reached them in 2 days. My small business will pay around 5 - 8 dollars for a letter-sized package through UPS Ground. USPS costs a buck and a half tops for First Class, and around half the cost of UPS for Priority Mail. The main reason companies use UPS is the tracking and insurance which is included with all shipments. This makes it harder for a dishonest customer to screw them over, although for an inexpensive product it really doesn't matter. From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Mar 26 23:40:02 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Apr 25 08:26:29 2009 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Rebate mania References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > Mike Easter wrote: > >> I guarantee that if I >> can figure out how much they paid UPS, that they will have paid UPS >> more money to spend about a week delivering something part way than I >> paid the USPS for insured priority which reached them in 2 days. > > My small business will pay around 5 - 8 dollars for a letter-sized > package through UPS Ground. USPS costs a buck and a half tops for > First Class, and around half the cost of UPS for Priority Mail. The > main reason companies use UPS is the tracking and insurance which is > included with all shipments. This makes it harder for a dishonest > customer to screw them over, although for an inexpensive product it > really doesn't matter. The USPS provides tracking and insurance, each is a slightly different arrangement than UPS. I think the difference is how easy it is for a big co to get serviced by UPS. UPS has got a lock on the service angle. The USPS seems to have its lock on providing cheap bulk mail services for businesses. If I were UPS, I would definitely want their profit model over the USPS. The paradox of this situation is that the dead drive was worth the cost of a working replacement, because I wasn't going to get a replacement from seagate if they didn't get the drive -- so I insured the dead drive with the USPS for the cost of replacing it. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Mar 26 23:45:02 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sat Apr 25 08:26:30 2009 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Rebate mania In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > > The USPS provides tracking and insurance, each is a slightly different > arrangement than UPS. I think the difference is how easy it is for a big > co to get serviced by UPS. UPS has got a lock on the service angle. The > USPS seems to have its lock on providing cheap bulk mail services for > businesses. If I were UPS, I would definitely want their profit model > over the USPS. Exactly. The USPS offers tracking and insurance, but often they require you to drop the stuff off at the post office yourself or wait in line for international packages to go through "security". UPS just picks the stuff up and that's the last you hear of it. > > The paradox of this situation is that the dead drive was worth the cost of > a working replacement, because I wasn't going to get a replacement from > seagate if they didn't get the drive -- so I insured the dead drive with > the USPS for the cost of replacing it. > They often ask you to base the insurance value on repair or replacement cost as opposed to retail value when you bought it. I've never successfully collected insurance through the USPS, but UPS is very easy about it. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Mar 27 00:30:02 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Sat Apr 25 08:27:20 2009 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Scheduled Maintenance Thursday March 26, 2009 - (SpamCop4.5.0-084 Release) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: RW wrote: > RW wrote: > Visitors will see the SpamCop reporting website in > "Maintenance Mode" through the process. > > Emailed spam submissions will still be accepted, but processing will be > delayed. It will no doubt take a few hours to catch up with the backlog > when things are brought back up. > > Richard The maintenance is running longer than expected. Thanks for your patience. Ellen SpamCop From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Mar 27 01:00:02 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sat Apr 25 08:27:31 2009 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Why can't I open this site? Message-ID: I can open it at work today, and I have been able to open it at home previously but now it's just sits there not loading - blank page, no message. Won't open in IE either. I've cleared my cache, cookies, rebooted, pinged it successfully, and still I can't get the site to load. Did the same thing to me last night, during which trying to check my network connection I realized my network connection icon has disappeared. WTH...... http://www.animallaw.info/ From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Mar 27 01:20:02 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (RW) Date: Sat Apr 25 08:27:38 2009 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Scheduled Maintenance Thursday March 26, 2009 - (SpamCop4.5.0-084 Release) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ellen wrote: > RW wrote: >> RW wrote: >> Visitors will see the SpamCop reporting website in "Maintenance Mode" >> through the process. >> >> Emailed spam submissions will still be accepted, but processing will >> be delayed. It will no doubt take a few hours to catch up with the >> backlog when things are brought back up. >> >> Richard > > > > The maintenance is running longer than expected. Thanks for your patience. > > > Ellen > SpamCop We're told another 1/2 hour or so Richard From dfmanno at mail.com Fri Mar 27 02:45:01 2009 From: dfmanno at mail.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sat Apr 25 08:28:18 2009 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Rebate mania References: Message-ID: In article , "Mike Easter" wrote: > Concerning the maxtor sidebar; I posted it to seagate (in McAllen TX) > Monday; an email today said they had shipped my replacement today. > Pretty fast so far. We'll see how well UPS ground does. > > I predict that UPS will not successfully deliver it to my door, but > instead I will get some kind of communication that sez that I should go > pick it up at the UPS place which drive to pickup is over an hour round > trip. > > I would dearly dearly love if major businesses could use the USPS for > things. They all have such a sweetheart deal with such as UPS that they > won't have anything to do with the postal service. I guarantee that if I > can figure out how much they paid UPS, that they will have paid UPS more > money to spend about a week delivering something part way than I paid the > USPS for insured priority which reached them in 2 days. UPS sucks. They absolutely refuse to leave a package at my door, even with my explicit permission. They also absolutely refuse to knock on my door or ring my doorbell on the first attempt to deliver. Apparently I am supposed to psychically sense when the driver is at the door and open it. Many times I have opened the door to find a yellow tag there, when I'd been home all day and never heard a knock on the door or the doorbell. Many times their tracking would show a delivery attempt at a time I was home, showing that no one was available at the address. Then there was the time I needed something delivered the next day, so I sent it UPS Next Day Air. They delivered it the next day all right - to _me_. Then there was the time I insured a package with them, and the item inside was damaged on delivery. They paid the claim all right - to the other guy. (Fortunately he realized UPS's error and sent the money to me.) UPS sucks. The Postal Service does a better job, and that's saying something. -- D.F. Manno dfmanno@mail.com From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Mar 27 03:00:03 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Steven Underwood) Date: Sat Apr 25 08:28:31 2009 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Scheduled Maintenance Thursday March 26, 2009 - (SpamCop 4.5.0-084 Release) References: Message-ID: "RW" wrote in message news:gqh60n$g71$1@news.spamcop.net... > > We're told another 1/2 hour or so > > Richard While I see that the reporting site appears to be up, I am getting the following error trying to reach the VER site from my logged in account: Cannot find login information. Not logged in? VER tends to be a lot quicker getting messages into the queue as opposed to forwarding from webmail, but I will revert back to that if necessary. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Mar 27 03:50:02 2009 From: nobody at spamcop.net (RW) Date: Sat Apr 25 08:29:01 2009 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Scheduled Maintenance Thursday March 26, 2009 - (SpamCop4.5.0-084 Release) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steven Underwood wrote: > > > "RW" wrote in message > news:gqh60n$g71$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> We're told another 1/2 hour or so >> >> Richard > > While I see that the reporting site appears to be up, I am getting the > following error trying to reach the VER site from my logged in account: > > Cannot find login information. Not logged in? > > VER tends to be a lot quicker getting messages into the queue as opposed > to forwarding from webmail, but I will revert back to that if necessary. I'm getting some 'failed to load spam header' error when parsing. Reloading once or twice gets the parse. I suspect the error your seeing is also the databases catching up with each other. I suspect the servers are overloaded with trying to catch up. I'm not going to ring any alarm bells just yet. Things look good in the crons, though one cron that normally takes a minute or so has been running for an hour. Only apps 4 and 7 are showing room to take on load, but not much. The other 10 must be churning away. Richard From loyal at spamcop.user Fri Mar 27 06:05:02 2009 From: loyal at spamcop.user (AndrewB) Date: Sat Apr 25 08:29:45 2009 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Why can't I open this site? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > I can open it at work today, and I have been able to open it at home > previously but now it's just sits there not loading - blank page, no > message. Won't open in IE either. I've cleared my cache, cookies, > rebooted, pinged it successfully, and still I can't get the site to load. > Did the same thing to me last night, during which trying to check my network > connection I realized my network connection icon has disappeared. WTH...... > > http://www.animallaw.info/ A horde of potential causes... - web server is running away with the cpu or stuck - hardware issue on the server (RAM, disk, heat, fire, flood) - operating system hung - potential hijack/breakin/compromise of the server - denial of service attack ongoing - didn't pay the colocation bill You'll have to wait until it returns, if it returns. If you need static web pages from the site, you might try the Internet Archive at www.archive.org AndrewB From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Mar 27 07:05:02 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Apr 25 08:30:12 2009 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Rebate mania References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> I predict that UPS will not successfully deliver it to my door, but >> instead I will get some kind of communication that sez that I should go >> pick it up at the UPS place which drive to pickup is over an hour round >> trip. > Many times I have opened the door to find a yellow tag there, when > I'd been home all day and never heard a knock on the door or the > doorbell. Many times their tracking would show a delivery attempt at a > time I was home, showing that no one was available at the address. I have the same experience. And additional observations: For years I watched a UPS man delivering things to an office building I occupied. He was very fast, very efficient, always in a hurry but getting his job done - hand over the packages, get a signature, leave, all in rapidfire. I cannot imagine that man waiting for someone to answer a door. I picture him filling out the delivery attempt form to put on a door while driving to the next residence. I'm sure he would zip up to the door, package under his arm, deliveryattempt tag in his hand, stick the attempttag in the door and zip back to his truck (with the package) and be moving again in 30 sec. That is faster than if he would wait for a doorbell or knock to work. My package is sig required. I think they don't want to do that. They would rather leave the tag and let the recipient work it out. The UPS strategy is to keep the shipper happy, not the recipient. It is about 12 bad miles (bad traffic, bad streets, bad location, 20+ minute drive) to the nearest UPS Customer Service Center where one can have trouble finding a place to park to hike to the desk and then have to wait about 10 minutes in line and another 10 for them to find something. It will take an hour to pick up the package after the alleged delivery attempt. My plan is to put a sign on the door that sez "UPS man/woman - Please knock, I'm right behind this door and I will answer faster than you can hang the delivery attempt tag on my door." > UPS sucks. The Postal Service does a better job, and that's saying > something. That is my experience as well. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Mar 27 07:25:01 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Apr 25 08:30:17 2009 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Why can't I open this site? References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > I can open it at work today, and I have been able to open it at home > previously but now it's just sits there not loading - blank page, no > message. > http://www.animallaw.info/ It is working for me at this time. Michigan State University College of Law: Animal Legal & Historical Web Center When I have trouble with a webpage, the first thing I do is take the browser out of the equation and use a little tiny tool called IDServe. It is good for many things besides accessing a webserver, but its default mode is port 80 and it will handle an address as http or www. IDServe shows that the name resolves and the tool connects with the webserver and the webserver answers, or any failure in that process/sequence and where the failure lies (nameservice, webserver doesn't answer). http://www.grc.com/id/idserve.htm "ID Serve", a simple, free, small (26 kbytes), and fast, general purpose Internet server identification utility. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From connyank at cox.net Fri Mar 27 14:05:01 2009 From: connyank at cox.net (jg) Date: Sat Apr 25 08:33:42 2009 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Why can't I open this site? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 03/26/2009 11:23 PM Mike Easter scribbled: > Heidi wrote: >> I can open it at work today, and I have been able to open it at home >> previously but now it's just sits there not loading - blank page, no >> message. > >> http://www.animallaw.info/ > > It is working for me at this time. Michigan State University College of > Law: Animal Legal & Historical Web Center > > When I have trouble with a webpage, the first thing I do is take the > browser out of the equation and use a little tiny tool called IDServe. > > It is good for many things besides accessing a webserver, but its default > mode is port 80 and it will handle an address as http or www. > > IDServe shows that the name resolves and the tool connects with the > webserver and the webserver answers, or any failure in that > process/sequence and where the failure lies (nameservice, webserver > doesn't answer). > > http://www.grc.com/id/idserve.htm "ID Serve", a simple, free, small (26 > kbytes), and fast, general purpose Internet server identification utility. > > Mike, know an equivalent linux tool? 26 k - thats hardly enough for the graphic screen... From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Mar 27 14:20:02 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Apr 25 08:33:57 2009 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Why can't I open this site? References: Message-ID: jg wrote: > Mike Easter scribbled: >> http://www.grc.com/id/idserve.htm "ID Serve", a simple, free, small >> (26 kbytes), and fast, general purpose Internet server identification >> utility. >> >> > > Mike, know an equivalent linux tool? > 26 k - thats hardly enough for the graphic screen... Steve writes in assembly. I run idserve along with a lot of other winapps I like such as irfanview and samspade under wine in linux. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From blacklist-me at davjam.org Fri Mar 27 16:05:01 2009 From: blacklist-me at davjam.org (David Bolt) Date: Sat Apr 25 08:35:05 2009 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Why can't I open this site? References: Message-ID: <3CB$78otkOzJFwgS@dev.null.davjam.org> On Fri, 27 Mar 2009, jg wrote:- >Mike, know an equivalent linux tool? >26 k - thats hardly enough for the graphic screen... If you can handle a CLI: curl --head $URL will get you the HEAD response from a web server. A few other options that might be useful are: -v This displays the verbose output, including all the info that's sent to the web server -x '$proxy' This tells curl to use $proxy, or no proxy if just passed an empty value, and can be useful to see if the proxy is breaking things[0]. -A '$identifier' This lets you change the user-agent, so you can fake a variety of browsers. By default curl will use something like this: curl/7.16.4 (x86_64-suse-linux-gnu) libcurl/7.16.4 OpenSSL/0.9.8e zlib/1.2.3 libidn/1.0 [0] Well, unless there's a transparent proxy in use by the ISP. Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: http://www.distributed.net/ OGR-NG @ ~100Mnodes RC5-72 @ ~1Mkeys/s openSUSE 10.3 32b | openSUSE 11.0 32b | | openSUSE 10.3 64b | openSUSE 11.0 64b | openSUSE 11.1 64b | openSUSE 10.3 PPC | RISC OS 3.6 | RISC OS 3.11 | TOS 4.02 From connyank at cox.net Fri Mar 27 17:25:01 2009 From: connyank at cox.net (jg) Date: Sat Apr 25 08:36:02 2009 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Why can't I open this site? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 03/27/2009 06:16 AM Mike Easter scribbled: > jg wrote: >> Mike Easter scribbled: > >>> http://www.grc.com/id/idserve.htm "ID Serve", a simple, free, small >>> (26 kbytes), and fast, general purpose Internet server identification >>> utility. >>> >>> >> Mike, know an equivalent linux tool? >> 26 k - thats hardly enough for the graphic screen... > > Steve writes in assembly. > > I run idserve along with a lot of other winapps I like such as irfanview > and samspade under wine in linux. > > > I miss irfanview and samspade as well but have too much whining about wine. Linux has forced me to use Gimp to a fuller extent, which I think is a benefit given its many features. Samspade is entertaining but I'm trying to use the cli more to learn networking - more nuts and bolts stuff and all. From connyank at cox.net Fri Mar 27 17:30:01 2009 From: connyank at cox.net (jg) Date: Sat Apr 25 08:36:13 2009 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Why can't I open this site? In-Reply-To: <3CB$78otkOzJFwgS@dev.null.davjam.org> References: <3CB$78otkOzJFwgS@dev.null.davjam.org> Message-ID: On 03/27/2009 07:56 AM David Bolt scribbled: > On Fri, 27 Mar 2009, jg wrote:- > > If you can handle a CLI: > still learning - just futzed around with lame an hour ago and did my 1st successful .wav to .mp3. > curl --head $URL > > will get you the HEAD response from a web server. Thanks, Dave, I'm sure thats just 1 out of 20. I'll check it out... From not at home.today Fri Mar 27 19:35:01 2009 From: not at home.today (Ant) Date: Sat Apr 25 08:37:04 2009 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Why can't I open this site? References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote: > jg wrote: >> Mike Easter scribbled: >>> http://www.grc.com/id/idserve.htm >> >> Mike, know an equivalent linux tool? In addition to 'curl', you might like the 'wget' command line tool which has also been ported to Windows. >> 26 k - thats hardly enough for the graphic screen... > > Steve writes in assembly. And this is also packed with UPX. Its real size is 56k which is still pretty small. From me at privacy.net Fri Mar 27 19:40:02 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Apr 25 08:37:09 2009 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Rebate mania References: Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:gqg6ms$jeh$1@news.spamcop.net... : Frog Prince wrote: : > "anon" : > : > : > request. : > : > : > : : > : RE: duplicate submittal. : > : : > : I tried sending a UPC copy and requesting the rebate. lost original. : > : : > : Their automatic response is 'no original UPC' forget it. we do not read : > : anything - we are looking the an original UPC! : > : : : Well, I can understand that requirement. It eliminates the "buy item, make : copy of receipt and UPC, return item, submit rebate" type of fraud. : : > I had that crap up the butt. Started filing with the local small claims : > court. Upon service they sent me the rebate but not the court cost. I went : > to the hearing THEY did not show. I won and sent them a noticd to pay. : > Finally had to server their bank (I had the bank name and account number). : > Got my money AND cost. : : Just curious -- how much was the rebate? (I can see someone with enough : free time going through the above for $5 "just on principle". : Unfortunately, I don't have enough free time for that.) : I'm retired and it was an aggregation of rebates. Regardless I did the majority of the 'work' on line and by mail. All I had to do in person was show up wait a 1/2 hour and the judge tapped the bench 'you win'. Collection was a bit more complicated but there I sent them a notice with one to their bank. Bank sent me the money. (it's court order) in 10 days. Interesting aside I've had more dealings with the clearing house and now get my rebates without hassle. From me at privacy.net Fri Mar 27 19:40:02 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Apr 25 08:37:13 2009 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Rebate mania References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfmanno-47B243.21412426032009@news.cesmail.net... : In article , : "Mike Easter" wrote: : : > Concerning the maxtor sidebar; I posted it to seagate (in McAllen TX) : > Monday; an email today said they had shipped my replacement today. : > Pretty fast so far. We'll see how well UPS ground does. : > : > I predict that UPS will not successfully deliver it to my door, but : > instead I will get some kind of communication that sez that I should go : > pick it up at the UPS place which drive to pickup is over an hour round : > trip. : > : > I would dearly dearly love if major businesses could use the USPS for : > things. They all have such a sweetheart deal with such as UPS that they : > won't have anything to do with the postal service. I guarantee that if I : > can figure out how much they paid UPS, that they will have paid UPS more : > money to spend about a week delivering something part way than I paid the : > USPS for insured priority which reached them in 2 days. : : UPS sucks. They absolutely refuse to leave a package at my door, even : with my explicit permission. They also absolutely refuse to knock on my : door or ring my doorbell on the first attempt to deliver. Apparently I : am supposed to psychically sense when the driver is at the door and open : it. Many times I have opened the door to find a yellow tag there, when : I'd been home all day and never heard a knock on the door or the : doorbell. Many times their tracking would show a delivery attempt at a : time I was home, showing that no one was available at the address. : : Then there was the time I needed something delivered the next day, so I : sent it UPS Next Day Air. They delivered it the next day all right - to : _me_. : : Then there was the time I insured a package with them, and the item : inside was damaged on delivery. They paid the claim all right - to the : other guy. (Fortunately he realized UPS's error and sent the money to : me.) : : UPS sucks. The Postal Service does a better job, and that's saying : something. : Have you tried sending a notice of need for ADA compliance? Hint USPS HAS to deliver mail to the door even if their is a community mail box if you have problems getting to the mail box. I expect the same or something similar applies to UPS. From blacklist-me at davjam.org Fri Mar 27 20:35:02 2009 From: blacklist-me at davjam.org (David Bolt) Date: Sat Apr 25 08:37:48 2009 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Why can't I open this site? References: Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Mar 2009, Ant wrote:- >"Mike Easter" wrote: >> jg wrote: >>> Mike Easter scribbled: >>>> http://www.grc.com/id/idserve.htm >>> >>> Mike, know an equivalent linux tool? > >In addition to 'curl', you might like the 'wget' command line tool >which has also been ported to Windows. The trouble with wget is that it fetches a file, which you may not want to do if you're just interested in the server responses, unless you use something like: wget -v -O /dev/null $url Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: http://www.distributed.net/ OGR-NG @ ~100Mnodes RC5-72 @ ~1Mkeys/s openSUSE 10.3 32b | openSUSE 11.0 32b | | openSUSE 10.3 64b | openSUSE 11.0 64b | openSUSE 11.1 64b | openSUSE 10.3 PPC | RISC OS 3.6 | RISC OS 3.11 | TOS 4.02 From MikeE at ster.invalid Fri Mar 27 20:45:01 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Apr 25 08:37:56 2009 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Why can't I open this site? References: Message-ID: jg wrote: > Mike Easter >> a little tiny tool called IDServe. > Mike, know an equivalent linux tool? Searching on linux idserve gets a number of useful conversations and this hit which 2 tools I haven't tested yet. http://www.peterdonis.net/catcomputers.html I am not, however, what I would term a "hardcore" nerd. For one thing, I use object-oriented programming languages, and even visual software design tools, which purists find much too permissive. -- Downloads - IDserver: A command-line utility for Unix/Linux to return information from a web server. I wrote it to have a Linux tool that basically does the same thing as Steve Gibson's ID Serve utility for Windows. (571 KB download) - KIDserver: A graphical interface for IDserver using the KDE and Qt GUI libraries for Unix/Linux. (610 KB download) -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From connyank at cox.net Fri Mar 27 22:00:02 2009 From: connyank at cox.net (jg) Date: Sat Apr 25 08:38:51 2009 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Why can't I open this site? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 03/27/2009 12:44 PM Mike Easter scribbled: > jg wrote: >> Mike Easter > >>> a little tiny tool called IDServe. > >> Mike, know an equivalent linux tool? > > Searching on linux idserve gets a number of useful conversations and this > hit which 2 tools I haven't tested yet. > > http://www.peterdonis.net/catcomputers.html I am not, however, what I > would term a "hardcore" nerd. For one thing, I use object-oriented > programming languages, and even visual software design tools, which > purists find much too permissive. sorry, thats hardcore nerd enough to me -- Downloads - IDserver: A command-line > utility for Unix/Linux to return information from a web server. I wrote it > to have a Linux tool that basically does the same thing as Steve Gibson's > ID Serve utility for Windows. (571 KB download) whaddaya know - thanks for doing my googling for me - KIDserver: A graphical > interface for IDserver using the KDE and Qt GUI libraries for Unix/Linux. > (610 KB download) use Gnome but sure theres same thing for it. Thanks, Mike From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Mar 27 22:35:02 2009 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Twayne) Date: Sat Apr 25 08:39:09 2009 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Rebate mania References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Mike Easter" wrote in > news:gq6s4a$988$1@news.spamcop.net: > > >> >> My newest trick is to mail a duplicate submission; for the cost of a >> 43cent stamp. Naturally it is missing the original UPC, but it has a >> copy of that. Plus, it has written all over it in red or blue >> handwriting that it is a duplicate only to be used in the event of a >> lost original and not intended to be a request for 2 rebates. >> Details of the dupe available on request. >> > > I'd say this duplicates thing is a waste of ink, envelope and a stamp. > They wouldn't accept it, they wouldn't even acknowledge it as being > remotely valid or attributable to the other missing piece because > they're looking for any way out of paying these rebates. > > I'm currently waiting on one for a thumb drive, also from Fry's. I > HATE rebates, they're stupid and a huge con. As you said, they don't > actually want people to bother sending these things in and you have > to be very careful that you dot all the i's and cross all the t's or > they'll deny your claim. I can however track mine online and since > mid february it has said 'your submission has been received and is > being processed'. All I can say is, they're taking their sweet time! When people stop buying where they need to get such rebates and go elsewhere, which is nearly always possible for less hassle than it is to get the rebate, then they might change their minds. Rebates are known moneymakers and "free" money for their coffers when it come tax time! From me at privacy.net Fri Mar 27 22:45:02 2009 From: me at privacy.net (Michael R N Dolbear) Date: Sat Apr 25 08:39:33 2009 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Scheduled Maintenance Thursday March 26, 2009 - (SpamCop 4.5.0-084 Release) References: Message-ID: <01c9af1e$f71073a0$LocalHost@default> Steven Underwood wrote > While I see that the reporting site appears to be up, I am getting the > following error trying to reach the VER site from my logged in account: > > Cannot find login information. Not logged in? > > VER tends to be a lot quicker getting messages into the queue as opposed to > forwarding from webmail, but I will revert back to that if necessary. I'm still getting that at 1800 GMT , but only if I go to (from SC mail or bookmark) http://mailsc.spamcop.net/reportheld?action=heldlog (and I can look at my old reports so it does know I'm logged in) If I login at the "cannot find login ..." message I get sent to a different VER url http://www.spamcop.net/reportheld?action=heldlog Which works. What's going on ? -- Mike D From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Mar 27 22:55:01 2009 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Twayne) Date: Sat Apr 25 08:39:38 2009 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Rebate mania References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > In article , > "Mike Easter" wrote: > >> Concerning the maxtor sidebar; I posted it to seagate (in McAllen >> TX) Monday; an email today said they had shipped my replacement >> today. Pretty fast so far. We'll see how well UPS ground does. >> >> I predict that UPS will not successfully deliver it to my door, but >> instead I will get some kind of communication that sez that I should >> go pick it up at the UPS place which drive to pickup is over an hour >> round trip. >> >> I would dearly dearly love if major businesses could use the USPS for >> things. They all have such a sweetheart deal with such as UPS that >> they won't have anything to do with the postal service. I guarantee >> that if I can figure out how much they paid UPS, that they will have >> paid UPS more money to spend about a week delivering something part >> way than I paid the USPS for insured priority which reached them in >> 2 days. > > UPS sucks. They absolutely refuse to leave a package at my door, even > with my explicit permission. 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FeDex on the other hand likes to leave yellow tags and a message to go to Syracuse, 120 miles away, to pick up my package when it's actually in Watertown, only 60 miles away. The third time I sent UPS over to FedEx to pick up packages and deliver them to me, I actually got an apologetic "if you don't like our service, don't use us" as though it were MY choice to use them! Last time I looked, the shippers decided that! A manager re-apologized for the "crass" treatment I received. That's my story, and I'm stiking to it! 'Cause it's true. Nodoby's prefect and next week it'll probably all be different; who know? 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Did the same thing to me last night, during which trying to > check my network connection I realized my network connection icon has > disappeared. WTH...... > http://www.animallaw.info/ Interesting. I can't reach it either; we're in far northern NY, on the St. Lawrence River across from Ontario, Canada. It WAS working fine not too long ago because I used it to get to the latest Shelter and CDO rules changes. I have them if that happens to be what you're after and would be willing to mail them to you. The strange thing is, the pages never time out. There is just enough "whatever" coming through to keep either IE or FF from saying time's up and can't go there. Like you said, just a blank, gray page and that's all. No "Done" or anything else in the status bar, not even an "accessing" message. Ping works. Trace Route works; 16 hops, mostly thru Level3 from here. Robtex etc. listing all seem OK so they haven't gone down for nonpayment or anything like that. Maybe they're under attack or just plain have server problems, who knows? http://www.animallaw.com/ etc. all seem to work OK. Strange. Twayne I've never come across anything like this before. From me at privacy.net Sat Mar 28 01:10:02 2009 From: me at privacy.net (anon) Date: Sat Apr 25 08:40:40 2009 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Rebate mania References: Message-ID: "Twayne" wrote in message news:gqjho7$i7a$1@news.spamcop.net... > D.F. Manno wrote: >> In article , >> "Mike Easter" wrote: >> >>> clip > single-shipping-cost boxes regardless of weight, you can pick up or order > as many of them as you want, and they have delivery confirmation/insurance > also. They do grumble about it if something doesn't fit your mailbox > (we're rural) when delivering though, and are forced to drive 50' into our > driveway to be able to set the pkg by the door. But at least they do it. For many years we shipped books (mail order book store) via USPS. 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What makes it "'free' money" when > it comes to tax time? Do they get to say something like "yes, we got the > money, but it's not really income, since it's waiting to be sent as a > rebate, just as soon as the user send in the forms"? Not free from taxes, but free as in un-earned. From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue Mar 31 01:50:01 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Apr 25 09:15:52 2009 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Rebate mania References: Message-ID: bar0 wrote: > "Kenneth Brody" >> Twayne wrote: >> [...] >>> When people stop buying where they need to get such rebates and go >>> elsewhere, which is nearly always possible for less hassle than it is >>> to get the rebate, then they might change their minds. Rebates are >>> known moneymakers and "free" money for their coffers when it come tax >>> time! >> >> I'm curious about that last sentence. What makes it "'free' money" >> when it comes to tax time? Do they get to say something like "yes, we >> got the money, but it's not really income, since it's waiting to be >> sent as a rebate, just as soon as the user send in the forms"? > > Not free from taxes, but free as in un-earned. Now I'm the one who doesn't get it - the/this terminology. Let's say the mfr sells it to Fry's at wholesale. Then Fry's sells it to the customer for retail for which they collect full retail dollars and full retail salestax. Then the customer tries to get a rebate for some dollars from 'the rebater'. Let's even assume that my experience is representative instead of the experience of 'the masses' and the rebater actually has to pay out the rebate $. Now which of the entities has anything to do with 'free' (or even unearned - or even some kind of tax issue) money? Or, are we making a different assumption and the rebater *doesn't* have to pay out rebate$. 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Do they get to say something like "yes, we >>> got the money, but it's not really income, since it's waiting to be >>> sent as a rebate, just as soon as the user send in the forms"? >> >> Not free from taxes, but free as in un-earned. > > Now I'm the one who doesn't get it - the/this terminology. > > Let's say the mfr sells it to Fry's at wholesale. Then Fry's sells it to > the customer for retail for which they collect full retail dollars and > full retail salestax. > > Then the customer tries to get a rebate for some dollars from 'the > rebater'. 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It takes about 7 hours for a 40gb laptop drive (slower rpm than a desktop drive), and for NTFS file systems, WinXP Pro has to do an integrity check afterwards. Partition Commander probably didn't clean up correctly. I only need to run it every couple of months. Any suggestions for products to investigate? AndrewB From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Mar 31 05:40:02 2009 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sat Apr 25 09:17:30 2009 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Disk Defragmenter referrals requested In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: AndrewB wrote: > > I'm looking for a good disk defragmenter that operates with my > requirements: > > - supports NTFS, FAT*, Linux filesystems > - bootable cd > - works outside of the host operating system > - good performance > > > I currently use VCom's Partition Commander 10, and it's ok. It takes > about 7 hours for a 40gb laptop drive (slower rpm than a desktop drive), > and for NTFS file systems, WinXP Pro has to do an integrity check > afterwards. Partition Commander probably didn't clean up correctly. > > I only need to run it every couple of months. > > Any suggestions for products to investigate? > > > > AndrewB Dunno what you mean about "works outside of host operating system" but I use two different defragmenters. 1. Executive Software Diskeeper - Diskeeper has many options, including one that tells it to only defrag files that have performance issues. That is, a single large file in two pieces won't have any real performance issues, but a small file in dozens of pieces will. So by skipping the files that aren't having performance issues, the defrags go much faster. I use version 9 of Diskeeper which has recently been replaced by Diskeeper 2009. The newest version actually cut back on the various scheduling options and only runs in the background when it detects idle CPU time. This isn't bad for the normal user but if you run programs such as Seti@home or it's a server with constant CPU usage, you're kinda screwed. 2. Raxco Perfectdisk - Perfectdisk is much slower than Diskeeper and doesn't have as many configuration options. In addition it's scheduling mechanism is primitive. However it works wonderfully if you want to defragment an entire drive in one pass as well as consolidate free space. Diskeeper will never consolidate all your free space. Perfectdisk also works better on drives with low free space. Neither of these programs do boot CDs as far as I'm aware but they do have boot-time defrags for locked system files such as the page file or the hibernation file on XP / Vista. They both do FAT and NTFS, not sure about Linux filesystems. From loyal at spamcop.user Tue Mar 31 08:00:01 2009 From: loyal at spamcop.user (AndrewB) Date: Sat Apr 25 09:19:39 2009 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Disk Defragmenter referrals requested In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > > Dunno what you mean about "works outside of host operating system" but I > use two different defragmenters. By that I mean I don't want to install a Windows program that sits around in the background. I want a standalone program that I can run off a boot CD to perform the defrag outside of Windows, Linux, or whatever OS I have. This minimizes potential conflicts with other computer activity. Thanks for your notes on Diskeeper and PerfectDisk though! AndrewB From avoozl at spamcop.net Tue Mar 31 17:30:02 2009 From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Sat Apr 25 09:26:17 2009 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Disk Defragmenter referrals requested References: Message-ID: "AndrewB" wrote in message news:gqseod$567$1@news.spamcop.net... > By that I mean I don't want to install a Windows program that sits around > in the background. I want a standalone program that I can run off a boot > CD to perform the defrag outside of Windows, Linux, or whatever OS I have. > This minimizes potential conflicts with other computer activity. > > Thanks for your notes on Diskeeper and PerfectDisk though! > > > AndrewB You might try O&O Software. I've had good experience with them in the past. http://www.oo-software.com/home/en/ From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue Mar 31 21:40:01 2009 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Apr 25 09:29:43 2009 Subject: [SpamCop-Geeks] Re: Rebate mania References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > >> Pretty fast so far. We'll see how well UPS ground does. > > So far UPS ground is cookin'. According to the tracker, it scanned in > to a UPS station about 110 miles away this afternoon (it left McAllen > TX past Thu). The UPS tracking info is interesting in its details. It left that station up in the LA area about 3am and got to a San Diego station about 5; so I guess they think it is a good idea to do this depot to depot stuff in the wee hours of the night/morning. Then the local truck took off with its deliveries about 7:15 this am and the man did indeed knock on my door and rang my doorbell just now. I took my package, signed and gave UPS an attaboy kudos and he was on the move in seconds. Seagate chose to replace the 500G Maxtor sata-300 with their Barracuda 7200.10 SATA 3.0Gb/s 500-GB Hard Drive which has the innovative 'perpendicular' recording. That's fine by me. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin