[SC-Help] Paypal/Ebay reporting error (deputies?)

[Spam Hater]

Ok, maybe I am confused then because the discussion I have seen in here
recently leads me to believe that all Spamvertised sites, while not listed by
SpamCop, do get statistics tallied for them and then third parties suck up 
that info and form their own blocklists.  So basically, when you report an
innocent bystander, which www.paypal.com is, you may prevent their
legitimate emails from getting to their customers in the future, if said
customer is relying on one of those third party protection programs/lists!

The term itself, innocent bystander, implies that you really shouldn't be
reporting these URLs.  That is why SpamCop gives you the option of
unchecking the check boxes...  It is also why there is the big warning on
the reporting page: "ATTENTION: Report only those e-mail addresses
and web sites that you think your spammer has used. Avoid checking
any boxes left empty unless you know that your spammer has used the
addresses or sites thus identified."  So, are you claiming that the PayPal
site is being "used" by the SPAMmer/Phisher?  The phish site, definitely
but not the paypal main pages and help pages and such...  

As I said in my original reply to your message, I think you should be
sending manual LARTs to PayPal about the phishing attempts and
leave SpamCop out of the mix.  

It would be nice if a Deputy chimed in here but they seem to be few
and far between now a days...  :(  Even you mentioning them in your
subject line didn't grab their attention!  :(

At 04:17 PM 4/18/2005 -0400, David Butler typed:
 
>You appear confused on how this works.
>
>I report a phishing SPAM. The source of the spam gets reported and listed.
>The phishing link gets reported SOLELY to the site of the phishing host and
>to whomever is being phished, in this case Paypal (or incorrectly, IMNSHO to
>Ebay). There is no reportage to blocking lists and such from links that are
>reported. This probably is in the FAQ pages somewhere. Block list info ONLY
>comes from reporting the SOURCE of the spam, NOT the links.
>
>The two kinds of reportage are totally separate. This has been discussed a
>few times if you look up the archives...
>
>Make sense?
>
>Regards,
>
>David
>
>
>"Spam Hater" <dkona7b02 at sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>news:mailman.132.1113835971.4572.spamcop-help at news.spamcop.net...
>> Right, so why are you using SpamCop to report the phishing attempt to
>> PayPal???  SpamCop is for reporting SPAM!!  While a side effect of
>> reporting will be that PayPal gets notified, another side effect is that
>the
>> PayPal site gets listed in the statistics department and who knows what
>> blocklists are using that info to do bad things?  The PayPal site is an
>> innocent bystander in this context and should be treated as such, in my
>> opinion...
>>
>> At 02:45 PM 4/17/2005 -0400, David Butler typed:
>>
>> >Yes, I am well aware Ebay owns Paypal.
>> >
>> >This was for a Paypal Phishing spam. As I pointed out, Paypal has their
>own
>> >reporting email addresses separate from Ebay. They were being reported
>> >correctly until about a week ago...
>> >
>> >David
>> >
>> >
>> >"Spam Hater"  wrote
>> >> Ummmm, eBay *owns* PayPal!!  The LART targets seem appropriate
>> >> to me. What doesn't seem appropriate is the LART itself.  What was the
>> >> context in which the PayPal URL was included in the SPAM?  Are you
>> >> trying to notify PayPal about a phishing attempt or are you claiming
>that
>> >> they are SPAMvertising their website???  I don't think SpamCop is the
>> >> right tool for phishing LARTs...  I send those separately and uncheck
>> >> the URL reporting for them.
>> >>
>> >> At 10:07 AM 4/15/2005 -0400, David Butler typed:
>> >>
>> >> >After months of correctly parsing Paypal spam to it's own reporting
>email
>> >> >addresses, the Spamcop engine is suddenly parsing it back to the Ebay
>> >> >parent: