[SC-Help] Re: Getting balcklisted

[John E. Malmberg]

Iain wrote:

 > We could try and lock up the ISPs but that does smack a bit of
 > shooting the postman because you don't like the junkmail he brings
 > you. Of course

No, it is more like the ISP in this case is knowingly allowing a crime 
to be committed and is pretending that they can do nothing about it, and 
trying to convince you that is the case.

In these cases the ISP's are aware that a crime is being committed with 
their resources, and they can easily stop the crime if they choose.
If they are not aware of the crime, it means that they do not have the 
basic competency needed to provide the product that they are selling, 
and that is fraud.

The only reason that the criminal activity on their networks is allowed 
to persist is that the ISP's have decided it costs less to just bill 
their customers more than to run a quality network.

To put it back to your postman analogy, it would be a case of the 
postman knowing that criminals are putting in illegal drugs in his bag 
at one end of the route, and then taking them out at the other end to 
avoid a policeman in the middle.  And even though this postman is not 
getting paid to be a mule, would you consider them innocent of the crime?

This is what the case is when there is an open proxy on an ISP's network 
and they know about it.

> I have must sympathy for the ISPs who 
> have to cope with these floods and ever burdensome legal requirement to keep 
> records of customer use for ever increasing periods of time.

The only time that ISP's are hit with these floods and if they last more 
than a few minutes is when they do not have technical staff that 
understands how to deal with the normal problems that are expected to occur.

When an ISP is hosting a phishing site, and can not shut it down with in 
5 minutes of the abuse report reaching their inbox, they are 
demonstrating that they to not have the basic minimum competency to do 
their jobs.

If your nation is dependent on a working electronic infrastructure, you 
need to start holding the providers of that infrastructure accountable 
to be qualified to do their jobs.

As the broadband suppliers in most areas have a virtual monopoly, they 
have no incentive to provide a quality product, and it shows.

Once you find out how a competent network is run, you will find that 
they are spending less money on larger operations than the ISP's that 
are complaining that the task of dealing with these problems are too 
hard for them.

-John
wb8tyw at qsl.network
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