[SC-Help] Re: Opera won't play with Spamcop, hashes headers

[Mike Easter]

Mike Easter wrote:

>>> I'm reading in the Opera ng/s^1 that redirect is /supposed to/
>>> function as forward as attachment does in OE, but I'm reading an
>>> Opera person saying in the forums^2 that redirect doesn't work like
>>> that.

It definitely doesn't function like OE's forward as attachment.

>>> "Then Redirect sounds like what you want.  The message will keep the
>>> ole headers basically unchanged, and the receiver will see the
>>> message as sent from the spammer.

Here's how redirect is described at opera:

Redirecting a message
In addition to forwarding and replying to messages, you can also
redirect them. When redirecting a message, certain message headers
(Resent-To, Resent-From, Resent-Date, and Resent-Message-ID) are used to
specify the message redirector, while the original sender, date, and
message-id headers are maintained. In other words, a message appears as
if it is coming from the original sender, though it is still possible to
establish that it was actually sent by a third-party. When redirecting a
message, Opera inserts the original message body, but does not quote it.
http://www.opera.com/support/tutorials/mail/send/index.dml

>>> "Redirect removes the headers and just pastes the body into a fresh
>>> email."

Definitely not.

> This is being quite helpful for an understanding of your Opera's
> redirect function,

There are still somethings I don't understand about redirect.  Among
other things, I'm curious about whether or not one could select a
'bunch' of mailitems and redirect the entire lot of them.  Probably not.

> The tracker shows a merging of the headers of the original spam with
> the headers of your mail to SC, sorta like what would happen if your
> system [ie mailbox] were forwarding a mail to SC's submit address.

> So SC can't tell where the headers in your mail to the submit address
> stop and the headers which were originally those of the spam begin.

> I expect that one could configure a mailhost to accomodate this
> strange behavior of this Opera.

I'm trying to look beyond this 'simple' issue of pasting a single spam
into a mail with the 'C' function.  If I were doing a bunch of spams
with Opera, I could open several iterations of the webparser and be
pasting, moving to the next parser, pasting, moving to the next parser,
pasting, going back to the first parser and reporting, pasting there,
going to the 2nd parser and reporting, pasting there, and so on.

If SC can deal with one spam obtained by C in the body of a submit mail,
can it handle a 'string' of them without the proper MIME structure for
attachments?  I'm surprised it tolerates the inline condition as you've
described your pasting into the submit mail, because when OE forwards as
attachment, there is a structure there which is between the headers of
the mail to spamcop and the headers of the spam.  When you do it inline,
there's just going to be an empty line.


-- 
Mike Easter
kibitzer, not SC admin