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[SC-Help] Re: Blocked? Read this.

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Thu Mar 10 23:06:21 EST 2005


"Sofa King Tyred of Lar Ting" <nobody at devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message 
news:d0qvjq$ha0$1 at news.spamcop.net...

>> The internal network does not have outbound port 25 Internet access, only 
>> the server IP blocked by SpamCop can send outbound emails. There's no 
>> viruses on this system.
>
> There are ways to confirm that objectively, as it could be true -- you 
> didn't mention the IP address, however.

My statement has been confirmed objectively and I am also aware as to how to 
do. I didn't not post the IP since there should be no "other independent" 
confirmation or additional spam report to SpamCop.

>
> I can see that you're apparently posting news via NNTP from this address:
>
> > NNTP-Posting-Host: ool-4357014f.dyn.optonline.net

So?

>
> optonline.net has more than a few IP addresses that are spewing emails, 
> very likely as zombied PCs infected with trojans.
>
> Perhaps your request to spamcop has no relation to optonline.net.

Bingo...

>
> In any case, you may be interested to see more about a typical IP address 
> that's problematic on their network:
>
> http://www.senderbase.org/search?searchBy=ipaddress&searchString=24.46.29.127

So, what is that got to do with my issue with SpamCop, or even with my 
actual Optonline IP? Just for your knowledge most, if not all cable service 
provider issues DHCP IPs for their subscribers. Should I shut down my cable 
modem, then the next time I'll have a different IP address. That IP might 
already be on the SpamCop BL despite the fact, that I have nothing to do 
with the previous history of the IP address currently assigned to me. That's 
not fair and this where SpamCop is dead wrong for listing cable providers' 
dynamically assigned IP addresses. They are not blocking spemmers IPs all 
the time, they BL also blocks legitimate email traffic.

> My own ISP has its fair share of zombied PCs, and I've had to deal with 
> "collateral" damage occasionally, although not directly related to 
> spamcop. Spamfighting is a veritable war; war is hell.

If spam fighting is a war, then we are loosing judging by the percentage of 
spam increase on my spam filtering server at work since lart year. You might 
of had to deal with collateral damage related to the zombie home PCs, but I 
have to addresses lost businesses because SpamCop's action. Our business 
relies heavily on the email systems and we most certainly would not do 
anything to hurt our own business by sending out spam. We do require from 
our email server to auto-reply to undeliverable emails due to the business 
requiremnents. Our clients and partners do require notification should email 
not reach the intended recipient. My company can loose money, if our email 
servers aren't doing this. This is RFC822 compliant and SpamCop should not 
arbitrary change the RFC.

> Help fight spam by "educating" the lax, zombie-hosting ISPs:

How? By implementing non-RFC compliant arbitrary rule and punishing people 
for the previous sins of their current IP address? The worst is that in the 
US anyone is considered innocent until proven guilty. The exception is 
SpamCop where they pronounce you guilty and then you have jump through loops 
to prove that your are not guilty. And for what? Marginal effect at best to 
the Spam emails. SpamCop's action does hurt legitimate businesses and does 
nothing to the spammers. The spammers can switch email servers on a dime, 
but I cannot. My only options are to change the server IP address, or hope 
that there will be no other self rightious people who forgot that they did 
actually subscribe to your email notification.




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