[SpamCop-List] Re: SpamCop auto ignored

[Huey]

Argyle wrote:
> gK wrote:
> > above.net is VERY white-hat, but just doesn't like munged headers from
> > SpamCop users. I trust them completely. I have no qualms about sending
> > in a manual LART the very few times that I get spam from them (and it
> > doesn't tame that much longer to do than a SpamCop report). I do wonder
> > a little if my email address is being passed onto large commercial
> > customers for the couple of mainsleeze spams that I've gotten over the
> > years that have come from above.net, but I doubt they do even that.
> I'm not so sure.  Above.net has said as much themselves.

Above.net has said that they're passing complainer emails along to customers?
Please provide proof of this.

>  Their rationale for requireing the recipient email address is so they
> can challenge the sender - i.e. "show me the opt-in for X".  What they do
> if the customer is unable to show that opt-in is somewhat unclear to me 
> and seems to depend on how big a customer it is.

What they do at that point is enforce their Terms of Service, regardless of
how big a customer it is. If anyone has evidence to the contrary, please
provide it.

>  They are pretty tight-lipped when it comes to the details on how they
> "deal" with any specific complaint.  I am not 100% convinced they aren't
> at least partially complicit with "list-washing".

ARGH! Julian- not three posts up of this, you were a rock star, providing
supporting evidence for an RBL nomination for Telodigm, and I thought "Hey,
that's great." Now _this_? Above.net is 'partially complicit with
"list-washing"'??? 

This bothers me a _lot_. SpamCop and above.net are two of the primary players
in the anti-spam movement. Everybody is trying to do the same thing here: to
stop the spam. Everybody has a personality, yeah sure- and some people are
bound to not get along regardless of how common their motives are- by way of
an example I can point at my own current feelings towards Steve Sobol.
Professionally I know he's a good network administrator, but personally I
really don't want to have anything to do with him right now. But for people
like yourself and the folks at above.net, because of the nature of the
positions that you are in, it's all the more important to try and rise above
your personal differences, set aside the petty axe-to-grind, and try to work
together to accomplish the goal: to stop the spam. 

And making hazy unfounded allegations such as this doesn't help any.
PLEASE wise up a little.


-- 
Huey - I don't speak for my employer. In fact, before dickless over here
shot his ignorant mouth off, who my employer was had never been mentioned
in a public forum. I do not work in the abuse department. CCs of your
larts are unwanted, and will be reported to your ISP as such.