[SpamCop-List] Re: dispute listing of ip 17.254.6.27

[Larry Kilgallen]

In article <cqui6k$hbl$1 at news.spamcop.net>, geo_splash_12 <nospam at nospam.org> writes:

> Wouldn't an opt-in system be a better solution to prevent that itunes is 
> delivered to unverified e-mail addresses which could be a cause for 
> triggering a spamtrap within the spamcop system?

It would be, but I have not seen an answer as to whether they
are using one or not.  (By opt-in, I presume you mean _confirmed_
opt-in.)

> Larry Kilgallen wrote:

>> But looking at
>> 
>> 	http://www.spamcop.net/w3m?action=checkblock&ip=17.254.6.27
>> 
>> we see
>> 
>> 	System has sent mail to SpamCop spam traps in the past week
>> 	(spam traps are secret, no reports or evidence are provided
>> 	by SpamCop)
> 
> I've seen the same thing happening with divx newsletters and probably 
> also newsletters which are perfectly valid. I'm not sure what the 
> problem with spamcop is, but, this is the second time I see that news 
> digest are listed in spamcop whereas they should not.

They should if they were sent to someone who had not requested them.

>> Since delisting will not be for another 17 hours, this IP address
>> has obviously been listed for a while now.  Since Apple has not felt
>> confident enough to invoke the one-time-only emergency procedure on
>> that page, what makes you so confident the listing is in error ?
> 
> The error is that the itunes newsletter should not have entered the 
> spamcop system at all.

It should if it was sent to someone who did not request it.

>> Oh look, it has been listed 10 times in the past 105 days !
>> Perhaps Apple is right that they have a problem.
> 
> Maybe somebody entered a spamtrap e-mail address by accident when he/she 
> filled out the itunes newsletter form. I don't know.

That would be caught by the methodology described at the URL below.

>> If you subscribe to this newsletter, tell us whether it conforms
>> in every way to
>> 
>> 	http://www.cluelessmailers.org/info/listmanagement.html
> 
> I don't recall a confirmation when subscribing to the apple itunes 
> newsletter. This may very well be the problem.

Certainly that would be a major cause of Apple sending spam.