[SpamCop-List] Re: mailto: suggestions

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On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 22:50:03 +0000, Marjolein Katsma wrote:

> Sure. But do you now how many of your target audience are browsign from
> behind a corporate firewall? Or use assistive technology and thius have

Not sure you followed my point. Does a firewall prevent you from using
JS, by the way? Thats' new to me. All I'm saying is that the stats (which
no one really has) change over time and with the audience profile. If I'm
running a certain kind of site, I do have an idea of where people connect
from, yes. 

> See my reply to Thomas Mooney. Many web designers just have no idea how
> inaccessiblke their sites are, or that there even *are* people who
> cannot use JavaScript. The fact that such navigation is used is not a
> sign that everyone uses JavaScript but rather that there are a lot of
> ignorant webmasters out there. But most people don't complain, they just
> go away and don't return.

In that case, it is a sign that a lot of people have no idea of what the
web mostly looks like. I'm glad they don't complain because there is no
way we can cater to everyone.

> Robots, no (see my reply to Thomas again); web site savers, possible (if
> asked to download images) - but that's still a human requesting the web
> page.

No, the web saver is saving the files. It usually can't read JS.

You refer to your answer to Thomas regarding "the counter" which has been
off for quite a while now, and a lot of published figures you lost the
bookmarks to. *No one* has such a figure but I've seen many guesses. Some
people who hate JS and claim they never use it say 20% of web visitors
have it off - yeah, right. Others have said (claiming their own samples
from high traffic sites they run) less than 1%. I've seen claims for 0,3%
and so on. I saw all of these yesterday by googling on "javascript off" or
something. 

Who to believe? I don't believe any of these; what I'm saying is there is
NO figure, except a general one and that will always be a sample taken by
one entity, whether the counter or yer mutha.

Should a site about something very PC specific be Mac compatible? I
already know you will say "yes, because someone may be on a Mac looking
for this info", but I say no, not unless I know that audience is important
to the goals of the site. In fact I once visited a site about a small town
in France that had on its home page, "Made with Macintosh - get it or get
lost!" That's pretty unfriendly.

It is kind of you Marjolein to want every person in the world to be able
to see every single site, but I don't think it plays in the real world. 
You don't seem to accept the fact that not every site /wants/ a maximum of
visitors of just any kind. I manage some sites that do not want this and
they know the demographics they do want. 

To touch lightly and briefly on the actual subject of the thread ($deity
forgive me), some sites do not want everyone to see the email address.
They may even prefer contact by phone or fax. I myself do not want people
to email me without a good reason, so I've removed the tool tip and put an
image text in its place, and killed the address that was given.