[SpamCop-List] Re: Where is MAILHOSTS being discussed?

[Marjolein Katsma]

GV (nobody at spamcop.net) wrote in news:c3k7jt$a1d$1 at news.spamcop.net:

> So what it does is to help recognise
> the legimite mail relay that receives your incoming email and then,
> once you identified the legimite mail relay you now also know the
> source where the spam mail came from.

How? Why can't there be intermediate servers?

I'm just not getting how SpamCop knowing *my* mail server would draw any 
different conclusion about the origin of an email. It's not necessarily 
the machine *delivering* to meail to my server.

>> I always check I'm not reporting myself. No new system needed for
>> that. 
> 
> Good for you. But with the increasing amount of spam this won't work.
> You may be able to report 100 spams a day like that. But not a
> thousand. 

So I won't. We keep hearing that SpamCop is getting sufficient reports 
anyway, and that quality is more important than quantity. How has this 
suddenly changed?

> Thus, the more spam runs through the system the more reliable the
> overall output data (and the dependent services) will get. 

How? If reports were sufficient already and quality reportng was more 
important, how can suddenly quantity be better?

> Spamcop isn't just the reporting system. It is much more.

That's exactly what I've been saying: it's also a very valuable 
*parsing* tool and *learning* tool. If as a result of this "mailhosts" 
thing we'd suddenly no longer be able to just parse headers, or a URL or 
email address, SpamCop would lose a lot of its value.

The parsing (as in not intended to be reported) should be uncoupled from 
the reporting function then; not disappear completely.

> And last but not least, your approach sounds to me like a, oh, I know
> that there might be a problem, that's why I check every report, don't
> bother fixing it or finding a solution, I'm fine. Why fix a bug when
> there is a work around?

That's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is *pay attention* as 
you're supposed to do. And discontinue quick reporting - that will solve 
most of the problems. THEN if there are bugs, we'll have a better 
baseline to find them and solve them - without having the waters muddied 
by peopel reporting themselves because they want to report without 
looking at anything at all.


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