[SpamCop-List] Re: Where is MAILHOSTS being discussed?

[Marjolein Katsma]

WazoO (nobody at spamcop.net) wrote in news:c3njbc$evv$1 at news.spamcop.net:

>> But he *also* put the link on *everyone's* pages, and in such a way
>> that mail users will stumble into the beta unawares. That's not the
>> way to limit a test to a small group.
> 
> The timing of that URL on the web page was AFTER all the questions
> started in the newsgroups from people wanting to know where the Beta
> Mail-host thing was .. which was after someone other than Julian
> brought that data over here.

Not everybody follows the web forum *or* the newsgroups - assuming 
everyone does is, bluntly, naive. It's simply not true: only a minority 
of users read either.

Putting up the links for *everyone* to see and assuming they will by 
then have read about it here or in the web forum, while at the same time 
"opting in" every SC mail user who happens to follow the link just to 
*read* what's there is not just naive, it's very, very bad usability.

You do NOT cause people to "fall into the trap" of a beta test without 
giving information and asking for confirmation first.

The timing of putting up the link for everyone is irrelevant: NOT 
everyone was informed and mail users even *trying* to get informed 
suddenly find themselves beta tested.

> To repeat, clarify, whatever .. Julian put the request over there,
> asked for feedback there, and even offered up a special e-mail address
> to send specific data.  Now you can't tell me that it was his intent
> to ask the entire community to jump in all at once, not after reading
> these signs.

And just how would are those email users who suddenly find themselves 
beta tested know about that special email address? That apparently even 
the deputies don't know about since they haven't mentioend it here?

I can't guess what Julian's intent was but his *actions* result in a 
badly-run beta test. Don't tell me that a beta test where people are 
signed up against their will and without even knowing there is such a 
thing as a beta test going on is a well-run beta test.


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