[SpamCop-List] Re: Bonded Spammer vs SpamCop, what will happen?

[Mike Easter]

fredfighter at spamcop.net wrote:
> It is dismaying to read here:
> https://www.bondedsender.com/standards.jsp
>
> includes as 'Acceptable forms of consent '
> opt-out and  Unconfirmed opt-in, which invariably allows
> subscription forgery.

Yabbut....

No matter what kind of system I have or don't have for building my
mailing list, if there aren't any complaints about it, it must be a good
system.  Here's what I mean....

The strong plus of a properly configured and maintained mailing list is
'proof' that the complainant opted in and confirmed it -- however, how
does that 'proof' process ever come to bear?  The answer is that it
doesn't - ie there isn't some kind of escrow agency which looks at
complaints and compares them against the confirmed opted-in records --
in fact, in a spamcop type system, if there isn't some kind of fudging
going on, there isn't any way for a list manager to even know which of
hir confirmed opted-in/s was mistakenly complaining/notifying.

OTOH - I, as a simple mailer to my 'friends', don't have any kind of
confirmed opted in records from them;  and I would hope that they don't
complain about my mail to them to my provider, because I can't prove
anything about them wanting my mail.  I realize that is a far reach from
some big mailing list;  but the point is that the whole thing is all
about avoiding and then handling spam complaints - which doesn't exactly
happen the way it would appear on paper.

-- 
Mike Easter
kibitzer, not SC admin