[SpamCop-List] Re: Subject: Want to make EASY Money? TeamAaronShara will show you how!

[Philippe Verdy (n.o-s.p.a.m+abuse)]

"Steven Maesslein" <nobody at nowhere.invalid> a écrit dans le message de news: 
slrndp5jo7.4cg.nobody at 127.0.0.1...
> On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 11:25:52 +1000, Geoffrey Hyde coughed into spamcop
> and left this in <dmtgj3$87e$2 at news.spamcop.net>:
>
>> Are you saying that your ISP can't/won't stop address bounce errors??  If
>> so, perhaps you should explain the problem to them, if you can get ahold 
>> of
>> a reasonably intelligent real-life tech support guy at the other end of 
>> the
>> phone support number.
>
> There's no such thing as a "reasonably intelligent" life form in the
> whole organisation of his ISP: Wanadoo.fr.

Stop ranting. This is clearly not the purpose of my report and you are out 
of topic.

There are MUCH MUCH more worse ISPs than Wanadoo in the world. Wanadoo is 
acting reasonnably well given its size, and acts quite fast to spam reports, 
although it's not perfect. I have still never received any spam from Wanadoo 
customers, even on my other mailboxes hosted in other systems (MSN, Hotmail, 
Yahoo, and others, not all French ISPs). It may happen sometime, but will 
not persist as long as it is for other ISPs that are hosting LOTS of 
customers with indected PCs running viral spamware acting as open-relays. 
Almost all the spams I receive comes from a small subset of ISPs that are 
hosted in US, China, Brasil and Portugal, and often theses ISPs are much 
smaller than Wanadoo in terms of the volime of emails they are legitimately 
relaying for their customers, so they connect invoke a problem of size.

Today, most Wanadoo customers use a external device (named "LiveBox") that 
is acting as a NAT router, a basic firewall that blocks outgoing SMTP 
connections, offers a VoIP decoder, a digital TV router over ATM 
connections, and so on. The effective spams that remain from Wanadoo 
customers is constantly going down. Also the spam/mail ratio is extremely 
low.

Note that Wanadoo has been listed in the past for issues that it could not 
resolve itself (for example regarding reported emails for which the sender 
is no longer the customer, and for which Wanadoo and already dropped the 
account; there are still reports persisting in reporting those sites despite 
they are no longer in use since long by the spamming customer.)

Note that French law still limits the time under which email relying logs 
canbekept by the ISP; this time has been recently extended by law, and these 
extended logs are now required for justice investigation, and a French ISP 
is now directly responsible for the illegal content it can help transfering, 
but is allowed now to act preemptively, a recent law against which several 
groups for the defense of freedom of expression and privacy are protesting, 
because it requires the ISP monitoring email that is no longer consider like 
private snail mail; the French law is insprired and was in fact required by 
the European EUDC Act, which is also a reponse to the US sollicitation to 
help secure the net against abuses and criminal or terrorist actions.