[SpamCop-List] Re: patent-fr

[Philippe Verdy (n.o-s.p.a.m+abuse)]

"Ant" <not at home.today> a écrit dans le message de news: do197i$cm5$1 at news.spamcop.net...
> It's not really about old newsreaders, but more to do with the
> accepted behaviour in newsgroups. You are effectively saying you won't
> play nicely with other members of this group. What happens when you
> need to cite someone else who is using quoted-printable? I think you
> will find your OE6 won't handle it properly.

I think I'm nice enough. I'm not *requiring* others to quote me, and nobody's required to consider my message.

I said that I HAD to change the setting because of a severe limitation of the newsgroup server that did not allow me to post a copy of a spam in the spamcop.spam newsgroup (transaction rejected because of line too long).

So I may get backto the initial setting, but having to change this setting each time is not something I consider useful or practical. I initially forgot to change the setting back after posting the email to the .spam group, and I really disliked that others consider my next message posted here, and describing the copy of the spam posted in .spam to be abusive.

You're just arguing on such technical detail that exasperates me, because this should not be up to users to decide about it, but to standards. Unfortunately, the newsgroup standard has never existed (the RFC editor is not a standard body, because it has no commitee and the docs published there are only considered and discussed seriously, as there's simply no standard place to discuss or review it. So each RFC remains in the area of work of those that have promoted each RFC, and there's no decision process to really change it).

If only the IETF (which normally runs the RFC "standard" track) was really reviewing them, the newsgroups would have been fixed more than 10 years ago, and it would have evolved in a more solid standard that does not exasperate international users due to its support of European languages only (and mostly English only because charsets are not even handled correctly due to absence of requirement for supporting MIME which was made especially to address this issue, and later integrated in Email and HTTP exactly for this purpose).

Note that MIME was created long ago as a RFC too, and its support should have been merged with the newsgroup NNTP standard, in a revized RFC replacing the old RFC. I think it's really a pity that NNTP was not reviewed since so many years to solve most of its known problems, and then supported by BCP. (Note that the solutions you are proposing here are NOT in any BCP, this is asolution supported only by US geek users that only want English present in newsgroups; also the format of messages posted here is NOT documented in the Spamcop newgroup server usage policy as a requirement; it just expresses the *opinion* and *preferences* of some users here).

Well, newsgroups have not evolved, and the abuses do not come from users using various settings trying to fix its technical limitations, but from spammers that have completely filled theml with crossposted spew (this is the major reason why effective users of NNTP newsgroups have abnandoned it in favor of IM, online forumsandblogs, also because online forums better preserve their privacy).

The tricks that you are supporting here are really inconvenient and do not allow client softwares to evolve.

All this discussion is going nowhere. This is out of topic and does not even address the issue that I wanted to disucss here. If you think you want to continue on this subject, I suggest you change the topic. Until now, nobody has even replied on the initial message, that I am requoting here because it may have been lost from your newsgroup server:

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This is a new type of spam that I did not see before : now targetting the sales of patents on software/hardware (note that software patents are still not legal in France, and the EUDC european directive on copyright is still not applicable too, because there is no associated French law enforcing it).

This spam author is targetting the patents registered in France, whose text and ownership is not freely available and details requires payment or subscription to get access the official French registry(free consultation of the registry is only possible, without copying it, in the local INPI offices; certified copies require payment, and there's no right to even get free photocopies of original documents).

I can't even verify if the proposed patent is effectively owned by the sender of this email, but anyway, this owner seems to be located in South Korea, and sent its email (written in French) using the Korean standard character set (very unlikely from a french source).

The text of the patent, if it is valid, has no real originality and is probably not valued the price indicated (it's just a keyboard with some multimedia functions, nothing very original there).

Anyway, the sender is especially targetting those that have written specifications for keyboards (for example me), but also famous french research laboratories or people working for them. It clear that the sender has used some "professional directory" or some web search engine trying to reachthose that have written contents on the Internet related to keyboard designs.

And then he has sent his email without prior consent, using basic mailing lists, which does not even try to keep the privacy of each targeted recipient (I can see the other recipients in the email I received,alld of them with email addresses in various subdomains of .fr). This is clear spam i.e. unsollicitated business email (UBE) and unsollicitated commercial email (UCE). The way it is sent without prior personnal contact and without even trying to protect the privacy of the recipient makes it unsollicitated. And the fact that I diud not ever know the sender, when he was doing that makes that this "business" has violated the French andEuropean laws that protects my privacy.

Given that the patent business is now growing internationally with the new WIPO rules and EUDC and DMCA rules, I think this is a new form similar to other "get rich quick" scheme, with pyramidal sales of patents registered with no real new invention and no effective application by the registrant, and lots of invalid claims for prior arts, making the patent nearly void in value.

See an email sample in spamcop.spam (same date, same title, sent by me).

Should I seek advice at the French registry (the INPI, Institut National de la Propriété Intellectuelle) ? I fear that it is also illegal business, or that the patent claims are all invalid (so the value given is false, because there's no service for the payed value, and this email also constitutes false advertizing), all of them being criminalized in France.