[SpamCop-List] Re: NNTP and Usenet have NO standards, NO compliance can't be claimed (was: patent-fr)

[Philippe Verdy (n.o-s.p.a.m+abuse)]

"David Dean" <ozchzhq02 at sneakemail.com> a écrit dans le message de news: 
ozchzhq02-8B14F8.18532617122005 at frylock.local...
> In article <do27pe$svt$1 at news.spamcop.net>,
> "Philippe Verdy" <verdy_p(n.o-s.p.a.m+abuse)@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
>> Once again, you can't claim any compliance with a standard that DOES NOT
>> EXIST.
>
> <http://www.gnksa.org/>
>
>   Maybe not an internationally recognized standard, but a hell of a
> good one to follow.

And as well an unfinished work, with many non existing referencesor 
references to works that have been abandonned (notably the IETF NNTP Working 
Group which no longer existsandnever produced something useable).

And as well the UseFor working group has only produced drafts that also 
compete with other drafts published temporarily by the IETF. When I look at 
the RFC-editor site (wish is the first official clearing house for IETF RFCs 
before they caneven get to the standard level at IESG), all these documents 
are obsoleted before reaching any good consensus and something usable.

What got wrong is that insteadofpromoting small amendments to progressively 
adopt a better working protocol and set of conventions for use on Usenet, 
attempts have been made to integrate too many things at the same time, some 
of them experimental and some not even discussed before the draft 
publication. ITis impossible to reach a consensus from such controversy 
works.

It's impossible for the Usenet community to reach a consensus, except if 
decisions are taken by the IESG itself, with a formal procedure and votes, 
like in ISO and Unicode commitee working groups, with open membership that 
does not favor a vote for another. But apparently nobody seems to volonteer 
such a work at the IESG (the ISPs that could finance such project are in 
fact not interested into participating into that project bydedicating some 
of their teams to such working group, and software makers are absent or 
can't pay the necessary membership subscription. It's been along time since 
the various ISP have abandonned the Usenet activity which just cost them 
money, with noprofit and a real lack of collaboration. For theses reasons 
almost all newsgroups are undersupported. Even YahooGroups is not commited 
to work into this project, because it does not need the IESG to make an 
alternative web interface where they can generate revenue with advertizing 
andwith their shopping links).