[SpamCop-List] Re: dispute listing of ip 17.254.6.27

[Miss Betsy]

"geo_splash_12" <e.schrama_NOSPAM at NOSPAM_hccnet.nl> wrote in message
news:crckp5$43n$1 at news.spamcop.net...
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> The whole discussion here is whether somebody is guilty until proven
> innocent or innocent until proven guilty. I opt for the latter, we
don't
> live under Klingon legislation, and we shouldn't waste our effort on
a
> problem which can be dealt with in a more efficient way.
>
> Anyone who reports certain types of spam to spamcop should IMHO
simply
> receive a short feedback with the advice to use the Apple web site to
> unsubscribe from their digests. Also spamtraps shouldn't report this
> type of spam which is in reality is no spam. This is the core of the
> problem, how do you define spam? There is no clear definition and
this
> whole discussion proves it.
>
> My $0.02,

The basic definition is 'unsolicited' and spamtraps 'prove' it is
unsolicited because they are /never/ used.

Also, AFAIK, confirmation emails are not reportable.

If Apple doesn't want to be listed, then their mailing list needs to be
confirmed subscription which they can then demonstrate to spamcop that
the report was in error.

The only way to stop spam is to stop it at the source which means that
those who run mailing lists have to be responsible, competent managers
of mailing lists.  And that is easily demonstrated by the numbers of
people who report their mailings as spam and where the list owners
cannot demonstrate that the report is in error.

On a personal note, I do not ever unsubscribe from something that I
have not subscribed to.

Miss Betsy