[SpamCop-List] Re: How long does delisting take?
Sofa King Tyred of Lar Ting
nobody at devnull.spamcop.net
Sun Mar 20 12:04:00 EST 2005
> "Miss Betsy" <nobody at devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
> news:d1il8a$ok5$1 at news.spamcop.net...
>>Which is why I am an advocate of blocklists (that reject) - let
>>whoever wants to contact me deal with the problem.
> That's an attitude what you can afford with your personal email. The email
> server administrators on the other hand cannot say the same when their
> legitimate business mail server IP gets on the blocklist.
> Spamcop and others arbitrary decide what constitutes as spam in total
> disregard of RFCs. Their intent is plausible and theoretically they might
> even have a point. In reallity they end up hurting legitimate business
> without affecting the spam business.
Wow -- you need to hang out here a lot longer before you make such a
statement. Spamcop was hit by many DoS attacks in the past, because it
does affect the spam business. Senderbase.org also gets some of its
information (as far as I know) from Spamcop -- it's an excellent way to
spot zombies (if only the ISPs would do something proactive with the
information). The SURBL also gets timely information from spamcop...
there are many other facts that prove that spamcop is having a positive
> Spammers are way ahead of Spamcop and other RBLs, they can change MX records
> and IP addresses on a dime.
I agree that Spamcop et al are always going to be behind the spammers --
as long as there's money in spamming, there will always be a lag. Same
goes for any kind of crime vs. law enforcement. I don't agree that all
spammers are "way ahead" -- perhaps the most elite ones are.
> Spamcop's well defined 24-hours blocklist even
> allows the spammer to recycle the RBL-d IP address, nice. Not to mention
> all of the "zombie" broadband home PCs what they can use for spamming
> purposes. Legitimate businesses on the other hand cannot do that, simply
> because they have to recieve email not just send them out as spammers do.
> So, you go ahead and advocate blocklist for your personal email address.
> Before you do the same for mail servers, may be you should get off cloud 9
> every once in awhile...
It's in every legitimate business's best interest to /reject/ spam sent
through zombies, open relays, proxies, etc., and label spam that
contains URLs that are known spam links, etc.
REJECT is the way to go because it blocks very effectively a large
proportion of spams and viruses. How come you can't implement a reject
As Miss Betsy said, spammers have "ruined" the feature of NDR and
vacation auto-replies. You can blame spamcop if you want.
If you're still in denial about responsibility concerning the
"backscatter" problem (getting listed because of bounced spam), you may
want to have a look at these links, which have nothing to do directly
Help fight spam by "educating" the lax, zombie-hosting ISPs:
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