[SpamCop-List] Re: ISP censors outbound mail, nixing spam discussions

[Steven Maesslein]

On Mon, 2 May 2005 19:12:49 +1000, Petzl coughed into spamcop and left 
this in <d54qun$j1j$1 at news.spamcop.net>:

> UUnet have just made the legacy account less than worthless

Heh - your legacy account is not the only e-mail account UUNet has made 
useless. Far from it.

> Just another example of what happens in accepting the compulsory email 
> account with your provider is that they are mainly absolutely useless (I do 
> not now ever accept them) The worse fact is they then never seem to learn 
> for the better

I agree. I don't even use the default account set up by my ISP since 
it's going to be essentially useless. I *do* have several domains of my 
own and my ISP allows me to run a mail server on my static IP address 
(for all their shortcomings they are rather pro-Linux at this ISP).

> The reason we have a problem with spam is because of Internet Providers and 
> their inability to secure the e-mail address they dump you with or force you 
> to have. If spam was effectively blocked spamming would have no point!

The fault lies further upstream of the ISP than that. Yes, it's one link 
in the chain that needs tightening up, but there's plenty to put right 
in the distribution chain too, such as ISPs allowing Windows machines 
(you'll notice I stopped using the term "zombified windows machines" a 
while back because of obvious redundancy) to spew unabated for months on 
end without pulling the plug on the luser.

Another problem is ISPs like MCI, SBC and most Chinese outfits that seem 
to have a single clause in their enforced AUP "You can spam as much as 
you like as long as the cheque clears"

> Even Hotmail offer a superior service to a vast many and is always good to 
> have for first contact, as well as those "subscriptions" you have to sign up 
> with. Hotmail (Microsoft) actively hunt down suing and jailing Spammers who 
> attack their customers

I'd use a hotmail account if it was possible to get one without selling 
your soul by having to open a "Passport" account - whatever that is.

-- 
Steve

A group of cats is a "conceit". They'd like it to be called a "pride"
but that would fool nobody.
        -- Morely Dotes in NANAE, 2-FEB-2004