[SpamCop-List] Re: Gmail seems to be regularly in bl.spamcop.net
MikeE at ster.invalid
Tue Oct 11 16:41:24 EDT 2005
No Spam wrote:
> Mike Easter wrote:
>> from 184.108.40.206 by by13fd.bay13.hotmail.msn.com *sourceline
>> SC calls the panamsat in .za the source, not hotmail.
> Sender relay: 220.127.116.11
I misspoke a little bit, but not very much. I should have said
SC calls the 18.104.22.168 no rDNS in .za the source, not hotmail.
Here's the structure:
whois -h whois.arin.net 22.214.171.124 ...
Pan Am Sat 126.96.36.199 - 188.8.131.52
TechEmail: bsg at panamsat.com
Qkon QKON30 184.108.40.206 - 220.127.116.11
TechEmail: wbotha at qkon.com
panamsat's arin geographical addy is in GA, US
OrgName: Pan Am Sat
Address: 2857 Fork Creek Church Road
whereas qkon's arin geographic addy is in Pretoria, ZA
Address: No 8 Pieter Street Highveld Technopark
When I have a parent/child relationship like qkon/panamsat, I prefer to
notify the child about spamsource, unless something about the
responsiveness or the accessibility of abuse addresses causes me to
notify both the parent and the child.
In this case, the /24 is listed in spamhaus, so that is a good reason to
notify the parent, or even the parent's upstream, since panamsat has 14
different listings in spamhaus, ranging from single IPs to a /23 as well
> IP is not ZA?
Yes, the IP is Qkon which is in .za. If you like domainname
registrations, not only is the arin geography in .za, but so is the
> sentechsa.net is ZA = the recipient mailbox = mine
> (some of the good guys here too - 419legal etc, bad guys way north in
> .NG :-)
I didn't even look at sentechsa.
>> However, if you notify hotmail and microsoft and msn about that
>> item, it is extremely likely that they will terminate the account
>> which sent that, namely winner2005-08 at hotmail.com
> Mail has gone out to abuse at hotmail .com re winner2005-08 at hotmail.com
> , will see ...
I'm not sure that hotmail is the right one. Maybe.
> As regards gmail: I have noticed same. Now unless 1 + 1 != 2 ..
> The subject thread started off as "Gmail seems to be regularly in
> bl.spamcop.net" ???? What's hatched in the nest ??
Gmail is regularly in SC whereas hotmail is less likely because of the
gmail header stamp decisions by gmail.
kibitzer, not SC admin
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