[SpamCop-List] "Fermilab Today" (was Re: "Victim" of Spam-Trap Addresses)

[Kenneth Brody]

Anonymous wrote:
> 
> Marc W. Mengel <mengel at fnal.gov> wrote...
> 
> > Anonymous wrote:
> >
> >> You have been told how to fix it again and again.  Would you like me to
> >> give you the URLs for a fourth time?
> >
> > The URL's you provided, aside from being things we already do,
> 
> So now you expect me to believe that you, the person who keeps bleating
> about "use confirmed opt-in" advice being non-helpful are now claiming
> that the URLs I provided -- URLs that advise using confirmed opt-in -
> are now suddenly "things you already do."

Check out "Fermilab Today" at:

    http://www.fnal.gov/pub/today/subscription.html

No confirmation is needed to subscribe.  The first e-mail I received
has the subject "You are now subscribed to the FERMILABTODAY list" and
begins:

  Your subscription to the FERMILABTODAY list (Fermilab Today) has been
  accepted.

And, "unsubscribing" an address that's not subscribed results in _two_
e-mails to the "from" address.  One saying you're not subscribed, and
the other giving 5 paragraphs full of "Here are a number of possible
reasons why you might still be getting mail from the list".

> So, would it be OK with you if I sent a subscription to each of these
> forms;
> 
> http://www.fnal.gov/pub/today/subscription.html
[...]
> ignored the confirmation, and stealth-reported all further email from
> you to spamcop?  After all, if using confirmed opt-in is indeed a
> "thing you already do", then there won't be any email to report.

I don't know about the others you listed, but this one has no
confirmation message, but rather two "welcome" messages.

> If the above is *not* OK with you, then I repeat; You have been told how
> to fix your problem again and again.
[...]
> > My point is that the lists we have *are already* confirmed opt-in (those
> > that allow subscription at all, that is).
> 
> I eagerly await your permission to put the above assertion to the test.

I have just demonstrated otherwise, at least with "Fermilab Today".

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