[SpamCop-List] Re: Not a fan of "lists"

[Mike Easter]

PyroReview.Com wrote:
> I've found that these lists are more cumbersome then they're worth.

My most valuable spam defenses are based on dnsbl/s.  DNSBL/s are very
valuable to me, including spamcop's.

> I've had to delist my server multiple times because the "spam traps"
> get bogus emails that say they are coming from my server.

I'm understanding you to say that your server is generating abusive
mails, probably some kind of autoresponder, and that your 'response' to
the problem is to 'delist' instead of fixing the problem.  That's pretty
stupid.

Your server is also listed at PSBL for stockspam's hitting spamtraps.
That's pretty irresponsible.

> My server
> has a very limited number of users and it's nearly impossible for
> them to be sending out spam.

That's not the point or a material fact.  Nor accurate.  See below.

> And I know for a fact that it's not
> being used as a "relay" server because I check the logs, and every
> attempt to relay is denied.

Checking your logs is a useful activity, but what are you doing about
autoresponders?  Also stock spam see example below.

> I even tried using the SORBS list once on my server, but it was more
> of a pain than it was worth.

The sorbs list has numerous 'sub-lists' -- some of which are useful for
some functions and some of which shouldn't be used for some other
functions.  My own spamfilter uses some sorbs lists but not all of them.
You shouldn't be using any kind of list you don't know how to use.

> I got too many complaints from the
> users, so I got rid of it.

Like I said, you shouldn't be using any kind of list you don't know how
to use.  If you are thinking about using sorbs in the future, you should
go to the site and learn what the various lists mean and how to use
sorbs.

And you shouldn't be delisting your server without finding out what your
server is doing wrong and fixing that problem.

If this is about the server at 209.51.140.66 rDNS 209.51.140.66 which is
also pyroreview.com, that server is currently PSBL listed for hitting
spamtraps.  Here's an example of a 9 day old PickOfTheWeek stockspam
which I put into the parser to create a tracking url for

http://www.spamcop.net/sc?id=z874486766zbc78682aaab11eebcf633c3d51f5cc43z

If your logs aren't showing you that kind of spam, then there's
something wrong with your security and your logs.

-- 
Mike Easter
kibitzer, not SC admin