[SpamCop-List] Re: Why not allow bounces? They are required by RFC822!

[Mike Easter]

cb wrote:
> Mike Easter wrote:

> The assumption here is that my server is sending "abusive unsolicited
> spambounces".  This is an enterprise mail system.  Spam and viruses
> are blocked at the gateways to our enterprise (i.e. at the noaa.gov
> level) and no replies are sent.  The actual mail server is (for the
> most part) only handling "good mail".

All of the enterprise level spamfilters I know about leak.  The fact
that you are eliminating viral propagations and some significant
fraction of the spam is probably why this isn't a bigger problem than it
is, ie more frequent or longer listings.

Unfortunately you and I are both talking about something that I haven't
seen even the blocklisting information for, as that data is only
available to me as an outsider during the time of the listing, whereas
deputies can see more when they want -- and you nor I have seen an
actual reported spam example.  I looked in some other places for some
other evidence and listings, but didn't find any.

>> You can't be
>> hitting innocent bystanders and spamtraps with unsolicited
>> spambounces and expect to not get blocklisted for that behavior.
>
> Hard to see how we could be abusively "hitting innocent bystanders".

I'm conjecturing.  If the enterprise spamfilter leaks and a full mailbox
is 'trying to' get leaked spam and your server accepts the mail and then
you decide to new email the spam Froms, those froms are the innocent
bystanders who didn't send anyone those spams and definitely don't want
the abusive unsolicited spambounce.

>> http://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/329.html#bounces  Problem:
>> Misdirected bounces

> I already read that (where did you think I got the subject line for
> this thread?).  Not helpful.

This is the closest thing I found in that section "If you must accept
delivery before you know the status of a message, then file it
internally - do not send, forward or bounce it outside your
organization. The errant message can be placed in a special folder or
routed to your postmaster."


-- 
Mike Easter
kibitzer, not SC admin