[SpamCop-List] Re: Need help To get our system setup correctly
John E. Malmberg
wb8tyw at qsl.network
Thu Feb 23 11:14:37 EST 2006
In article <dtkdec$4j0$1 at news.spamcop.net>,
"Eduard" <eduard at kaapstad.com> writes:
> We are busy sorting out the problem on our server system, but without
> knowing what your "nonexistent addresses at small vanity domains owned by
> us or our associates" are, we will always get blacklisted by your system,
That is the way it is supposed to work.
The existance of a spamtrap in your e-mail list means that it was compiled
in a method prohibited by many countries, including the U.S.A., and it
looks from the sample supplied by a deputy that a person in one of the
countries where this practice is illegal is buying services from you in an
attempt to get around the law or to make it difficult for the law
enforcement officials to track them down and prosecute them.
Any network that is willing to host an opt-out style mailing list that
contains e-mail addresses harvested from internet web pages or other
unethical methods risks having all their I.P. addresses blocked by more
widely used spam databases than spamcop.net. That is one of the purposes
of spamhaus.org and spews.org and a number of other blocking lists.
Spamcop.net is mainly used by the mail server operators that I know just
to cover the gaps until one of the more widely used blocking lists list
the spam source.
The policy of one of my postmasters when they get a spam like the sample
the deputies posted is to look up all I.P. addresses allocated to the
same entity as the sending I.P. address and put them in a local blocking
list for all of their e-mail networks until one their customers request a
variation. From what I understand, no customer has requested a variation yet.
> since you don't bounce the non-existance mails. Our system work by if a mail
> can't get delivered, that email address would be set on hold and our system
> will not mail to that email address anymore. If spamcop's systems receives
> the mail, it means that it is a valid email and we would not put an entry to
> stop sending to that list. What steps does spamcop Admin suggest?
What it looks like from the samples that the deputy posted is that you just
aquired a new customer who is a professional spammer or the victim of buying
a get rich on the internet quickly scam.
Find out which of your customers has the dirty list, and immediately cease
doing any business with them. Hopefully your terms of service will allow
you to collect clean-up fees from them for the damage that they have caused
This type of spamming is now treated as toxic waste by much of the rest of the
internet, and can cause large blocks of I.P. addresses to either be blocked
or even null-routed by network owners to protect their own customers.
And it is their customers that are requesting that they do so.
Many commercial spamfilters in use just silently delete e-mail based on their
local blocking lists, so it is quite possible that there are now many
private networks that are now silently deleting all e-mail sent from
your system or any I.P. address assocated with your I.P. address or even
your upstream ISP. You will not see any bounces from them.
If you continue to host dirty mailing lists, as soon as spamhaus.org and
spews.org become aware of this, they will likely list all your I.P. addresses.
Both of those organizations are reputed to use spamtraps as well, but are
usually slower to put in a listing. Allegedly they send an abuse report
first from a different domain name to see if action is taken.
However, if they can identify which spammer is using your system, they
are both likely to list the i.p. addresses immediately. Look up the ROKSO
database on spamhaus.org.
spews.org will also eventually list your providers I.P. addresses also
according to their stated policy.
Spamhaus.org also has a policy of also listing your provider's I.P. addresses
eventually if your provider allows you to host these type of dirty
Note, I do not control any blocking list, I am just letting you know what
you seem to have gotten into, and as others have stated, the spamcop.net
listing is just the beginning.
wb8tyw at qsl.network
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