[SpamCop-List] Re: A mailman opt-in plus confirmation mailing list is spam?

[Vanguard]

"Don Wannit" <edb2000 at spamcop.net> wrote in message 
news:dutjas$k7k$1 at news.spamcop.net...
> Vanguard wrote:
>
>> The Subject field is one of the headers is *is* presented by Outlook 
>> Express.  Outlook does NOT support newsgroups so why even bother to 
>> mention it?  What does reading the headers have to do with reading the 
>> Subject header (which is shown) and the body of the post?
>>
>>> and changes the name of the label within the menus
>>
>>
>> Posts do not change the menues in whatever NNTP client is used for 
>> viewing a post.  Only YOU know what you meant to say.
>>
>>> and changes the menus within it's held from version to version!
>>
>>
>> "within it's held"?  "Held" means what?  Other than bug fixes, name me a 
>> single product that has been enhanced or improved through versioning that 
>> doesn't change some aspect of the program in its behavior or interface. 
>> It's a new version.  Gee, something changed.  Duh.
>
>
> Umm, I think you are mixing together two different things.  The
> original discussion was about email messages sent by the GNU Mailman
> mailing list management software, and how the instructions to
> unsubscribe are typically contained in each message.  Both in the
> email headers and in a footer at the bottom of the message.  And
> how many users can't be bothered to read those instructions, so
> they report as spam a message from a list they explicitly subscribed
> to (and confirmed, per best practice).
>
> You seem to be talking about a news reader, and NNTP headers, which
> is a different topic.

Yep.  I was replying to the post by spamcop (yeah, real original moniker), 
not to Thog's.

> When you change the topic in a newsgroup thread, it's customary
> to change the Subject: header in the news article, and mention
> that you did so.

Unfortunately that will sometimes disconnect the subthread from the main 
thread because not all newsreaders, especially webnews-for-dummies 
interfaces, use the References header to group the messages in a thread.  At 
one time (don't know if it still is true), Google Groups grouped by Subject 
instead of by References, so changing the Subject header resulting in 
slicing out the subthread into its own new thread.  There are users that 
interface to Usenet using e-mail clients (i.e., mail-to-news gateways) that 
use e-mail client that don't use the References headers for grouping of 
related messages.  Outlook is one of those.  You should NOT change the 
Subject header unless you are deliberately attempting to slice out the 
subthread but that is very similar to a malcontent using the FollowUp-To 
header to furtively attempt to redirect any replies off to alt.test or 
somewhere else so the malcontent "wins" the argument.

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