[SpamCop-Mail] Re: not using trash now, and lost all held mail (server not updated timely ....)

Fri Dec 12 18:16:21 EST 2003

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 >    1. Re: WELL.COM email blocked (Ray Lopez)
 >    2. Re: Duplicate Entries (Marian)
 >    3. Re: Duplicate Entries (Jeff G.)
 >    4. Re: Virus infected getting through (AndrewB)
 >    5. Re: Duplicate Entries (Keith Neill)
 >    6. Email Rejected (deadeye916)
 >    7. Re: Virus infected getting through (Jeff G.)
 >    8. Re: Virus infected getting through (Michael R N Dolbear)
 >    9. Re: Virus infected getting through (JT)
 >   10. Re: WELL.COM email blocked (Jim Seymour)
 >   11. Changing Login Account (Brian)
 >   12. Re: Virus infected getting through (eddie)
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 > Message: 1
 > Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:56:58 -0600
 > From: Ray Lopez 
 > Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: WELL.COM email blocked
 > To: spamcop-mail at news.spamcop.net
 > Message-ID: 
 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
 > 
 > Jim, thanks so much for this reply.  I will submit this
information to
 > the Well and see what they say.
 > 
 > rl at spamcop.net
 > 
 > Jim Seymour wrote:
 > > Ray Lopez wrote:
 > >
 > >>My primary email account is at well.com, and the admin over
there just
 > >>told me that my forwarding from there to spamcop.net has been
disabled
 > >>because Spamcop things anything relayed from well.com is spam.
 > >
 > >
 > > There are two main causes for this: 1) Well.com&#039;s Received
lines are
 > screwed
 > > up, or 2) There was a parser mistake at Spamcop.
 > >
 > > I&#039;ve seen a lot of people complaining recently, so if I had
to put
 > money
 > > down, I&#039;d go for #2.
 > >
 > >
 > >>Needless to say this sucks for me, as a paying customer and
pretty
 > >>rapid spam submitter.  Please advise if there&#039;s anything
that can be
 > >>done to allow me to filter my email from the well.com domain
thru
 > >>Spamcop.  Many thanks.
 > >
 > >
 > > Not much we can do about well.com&#039;s reaction.  If they want
to prevent
 > you
 > > from forwarding to Spamcop, there&#039;s little you can do
except complain
 > and
 > > switch ISP&#039;s.
 > >
 > > However, because of the parsing troubles earlier this week, you
might
 > be
 > > able to make a case to well.com that the listing was a
"one-time"
 > screw up.
 > > Hopefully, they&#039;ll relent and turn forwarding back on for
you.
 > >
 > 
 > 
 > ------------------------------
 > 
 > Message: 2
 > Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:58:11 -0700
 > From: "Marian" 
 > Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Duplicate Entries
 > To: spamcop-mail at news.spamcop.net
 > Message-ID: 
 > 
 > Marian wrote:
 > > Keith Neill wrote:
 > >> "Marian"  wrote in message
 > >> news:br5noo$dnn$1 at news.spamcop.net...
 > >>> I find that there are entries under my Report Spam (that I did
not
 > >>> report) which duplicate those in my Held Mail list each day. 
It is
 > >>> time consuming to go to each so-called Reported Spam and
"cancel".
 > >>> I do not want to just click delete all unreported spam, in
case
 > >>> something does belong there.    Is this a bug?
 > >>
 > >> My guess is that you have probably selected "Queue for
Reporting (Do
 > >> not trash)", perhaps in error?  What is it you were trying to
do?
 > >>
 > >> In any case, if you still have a copy in your "held" folder I
would
 > >> suggest that you delete all unreported spam to get you back to
the
 > >> beginning, then have another go!
 > >>
 > >> Keith
 > >
 > > Well, that makes sense, Keith.  Thank you for pointing out my
 > > probable error.
 > >
 > > I&#039;ll do as you suggest and keep a closer eye on where I
click
 > > from now on.
 > >
 > > Happy Holidays.
 > >
 > > Marian
 > 
 > After deleting all unreported spam, I have watched closely for 2
days
 > and been
 > careful to check &#039;Queue for Reporting and move to trash&#039;
.  Still, when
 > I go to
 > "Report Now" the messages I just reported and trashed are still
there --
 > along
 > with the two that I legitimately reported as forwarded attachments
from
 > my
 > mailbox.
 > 
 > What a nuisance this is!  I am dedicated to reporting spam
properly, but
 > having
 > to wait for each one to come up and then cancel it is just too
much.
 > 
 > Any more suggestions?
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > ------------------------------
 > 
 > Message: 3
 > Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:11:10 -0500
 > From: "Jeff G." 
 > Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Duplicate Entries
 > To: spamcop-mail at news.spamcop.net
 > Message-ID: 
 > 
 > "Marian"  wrote in message
 > news:brcs5h$vvt$1 at news.spamcop.net...
 > > After deleting all unreported spam, I have watched closely for 2
days
 > and
 > been
 > > careful to check &#039;Queue for Reporting and move to
trash&#039; .  Still,
 > when I
 > go to
 > > "Report Now" the messages I just reported and trashed are still
there
 > --
 > along
 > > with the two that I legitimately reported as forwarded
attachments
 > from my
 > > mailbox.
 > >
 > > What a nuisance this is!  I am dedicated to reporting spam
properly,
 > but
 > having
 > > to wait for each one to come up and then cancel it is just too
much.
 > >
 > > Any more suggestions?
 > 
 > 
 > It sounds like "move to trash" isn&#039;t working for you, leaving
the spam
 > in
 > your Held Mail folder.  This is a bug that we see all too often
with new
 > accounts.  Are you sure you have a "Trash" folder?  If you
don&#039;t have
 > one,
 > please try deleting a message from Webmail, and then deleting a
message
 > from
 > your Held Mail folder using VER at
 > http://mailsc.spamcop.net/reportheld?action=heldlog (with or
without
 > reporting), and let us know the results.
 > 
 > --
 > Thanks and Best Regards,  Jeff G.
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > ------------------------------
 > 
 > Message: 4
 > Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:40:47 -0800
 > From: AndrewB 
 > Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Virus infected getting through
 > To: spamcop-mail at news.spamcop.net
 > Message-ID: 
 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
 > 
 > Jeff G. wrote:
 > 
 > > It&#039;s unsolicited.
 > > It&#039;s bulk, in that the same crap generated by a buggy virus
gets sent
 > > through an AV filter to multiple recipients.
 > > It&#039;s sometimes commercial, advertising the AV filter.
 > > It&#039;s email.
 > > So, how is it not spam?
 > 
 > I&#039;m not sure I&#039;d consider virus-laden email as the
result of someone
 > getting infected with a trojan horse or worm as spam either.  Spam
would
 > be sent to large numbers of people, whereas these emails in
question
 > might only go from that infected computer to 100 or 200 people.
 > 
 > I would expect most decent companies with email access to block
those
 > types of attachments from going out.  But what would an ISP like
AOL or
 > Earthlink do if they got reports that dozens of their customers
were
 > affected?  I doubt they&#039;d do much.
 > 
 > 
 > Andrew
 > 
 > 
 > ------------------------------
 > 
 > Message: 5
 > Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:14:12 -0000
 > From: "Keith Neill" 
 > Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Duplicate Entries
 > To: spamcop-mail at news.spamcop.net
 > Message-ID: 
 > 
 > 
 > "Jeff G."  wrote in message
 > news:brcst3$1qu$1 at news.spamcop.net...
 > > "Marian"  wrote in message
 > > news:brcs5h$vvt$1 at news.spamcop.net...
 > > > After deleting all unreported spam, I have watched closely for
2
 > days
 > and
 > > been
 > > > careful to check &#039;Queue for Reporting and move to
trash&#039; .  Still,
 > when
 > I
 > > go to
 > > > "Report Now" the messages I just reported and trashed are
still
 > there --
 > > along
 > > > with the two that I legitimately reported as forwarded
attachments
 > from
 > my
 > > > mailbox.
 > > >
 > > > What a nuisance this is!  I am dedicated to reporting spam
properly,
 > but
 > > having
 > > > to wait for each one to come up and then cancel it is just too
much.
 > > >
 > > > Any more suggestions?
 > >
 > >
 > > It sounds like "move to trash" isn&#039;t working for you,
leaving the spam
 > in
 > > your Held Mail folder.  This is a bug that we see all too often
with
 > new
 > > accounts.  Are you sure you have a "Trash" folder?  If you
don&#039;t have
 > one,
 > > please try deleting a message from Webmail, and then deleting a
 > message
 > from
 > > your Held Mail folder using VER at
 > > http://mailsc.spamcop.net/reportheld?action=heldlog (with or
without
 > > reporting), and let us know the results.
 > 
 > Or is there some confusion here about what you need to do to
report
 > spam?
 > If you use "queue for reporting" you still have to go in and
finish off
 > the
 > report manually.
 > 
 > Keith
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > ------------------------------
 > 
 > Message: 6
 > Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:33:18 -0800
 > From: deadeye916 
 > Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Email Rejected
 > To: spamcop-mail at news.spamcop.net
 > Message-ID: 
 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
 > 
 > Cannot email my UCE today.  @spam.spamcop.net  is not answering
queries.
 > 
 > 
 > ------------------------------
 > 
 > Message: 7
 > Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:13:21 -0500
 > From: "Jeff G." 
 > Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Virus infected getting through
 > To: spamcop-mail at news.spamcop.net
 > Message-ID: 
 > 
 > "AndrewB"  wrote in message
 > news:brcuj1$4ob$1 at news.spamcop.net...
 > > Jeff G. wrote:
 > >
 > > > It&#039;s unsolicited.
 > > > It&#039;s bulk, in that the same crap generated by a buggy
virus gets
 > sent
 > > > through an AV filter to multiple recipients.
 > > > It&#039;s sometimes commercial, advertising the AV filter.
 > > > It&#039;s email.
 > > > So, how is it not spam?
 > >
 > > I&#039;m not sure I&#039;d consider virus-laden email as the
result of someone
 > > getting infected with a trojan horse or worm as spam either. 
Spam
 > would
 > > be sent to large numbers of people, whereas these emails in
question
 > > might only go from that infected computer to 100 or 200 people.
 > >
 > > I would expect most decent companies with email access to block
those
 > > types of attachments from going out.  But what would an ISP like
AOL
 > or
 > > Earthlink do if they got reports that dozens of their customers
were
 > > affected?  I doubt they&#039;d do much.
 > 
 > 
 > They could contact their customers and/or block the abuse in any
number
 > of
 > ways.
 > 
 > --
 > Best Regards,  Jeff G.
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > ------------------------------
 > 
 > Message: 8
 > Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:01:06 +0000 (UTC)
 > From: "Michael R N Dolbear" 
 > Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Virus infected getting through
 > To: spamcop-mail at news.spamcop.net
 > Message-ID: 
 > 
 > 
 > JT  wrote in article
 > ...
 > > eddie wrote:
 > > > On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:46:39 -0500, JT wrote:
 > > > snip
 > > >
 > > >>If the message does not contain an executable attachment,
it&#039;s not
 > a
 > > >>virus. If you want an anti-virus program which removes things
that
 > used to
 > > >>be viruses, things that are supposed to be viruses, and things
that
 > aren&#039;t
 > > >>even attachments, you&#039;ll need to do AV on your own PC for
that.
 > > >
 > > >
 > > > Without beating a dead horse to death: If it is not a virus,
can it
 > be
 > > > simply reported as spam?
 > >
 > > It&#039;s not spam, either.
 > 
 > Better get the FAQ rewritten then. If it&#039;s not a virus or a
bounce or a
 > "virus has been sent to you" notice then it&#039;s reportable.
 > 
 > Sorry about the e-lawyering
 > 
 > --
 > Mike D
 > 
 > ------------------------------
 > 
 > Message: 9
 > Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:56:58 -0500
 > From: JT 
 > Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Virus infected getting through
 > To: spamcop-mail at news.spamcop.net
 > Message-ID: 
 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
 > 
 > Jeff G. wrote:
 > > "JT"  wrote in message
 > > news:brbgrk$u2h$1 at news.spamcop.net...
 > >
 > >>
 > >>It&#039;s not spam, either.
 > >
 > >
 > 
 > We&#039;ve been through this many, many times. Just look in the
archives. I&#039;m
 > not going to get into an argument about it. The people who own and
run
 > the reporting system have requested that virus emails not be
reported.
 > They make the rules. I don&#039;t and you don&#039;t.
 > 
 > Now, I expect someone to jump in here with one of two tired
arguments.
 > The first is viruses that actually send spam. In that case, the
content
 > is spam, even though it was sent by a virus. That&#039;s
reportable. The
 > second is the "All you have to do to get around SpamCop is attach
a
 > virus to your spam". That&#039;s bogus because for more than one
reason. It&#039;s
 > mythical and would be highly counter-productive. Far more people
are
 > protected by virus filters than are protected by spam filters, so
you&#039;d
 > be reducing your audience.
 > 
 > >
 > > It&#039;s unsolicited.
 > > It&#039;s bulk, in that the same crap generated by a buggy virus
gets sent
 > > through an AV filter to multiple recipients.
 > > It&#039;s sometimes commercial, advertising the AV filter.
 > > It&#039;s email.
 > > So, how is it not spam?
 > >
 > 
 > I&#039;m not going to get into semantic discussions once again. No
one that
 > I&#039;m aware of in any kind of "leadership" position in the
anti-spam
 > community considers viruses to be spam. Julian doesn&#039;t
consider them to
 > be spam.
 > 
 > JT
 > 
 > 
 > ------------------------------
 > 
 > Message: 10
 > Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:13:24 -0800
 > From: "Jim Seymour" 
 > Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: WELL.COM email blocked
 > To: spamcop-mail at news.spamcop.net
 > Message-ID: 
 > 
 > Ray Lopez wrote:
 > > Jim, thanks so much for this reply.  I will submit this
information to
 > > the Well and see what they say.
 > 
 > Someone from well.com contacted me directly about this and
I&#039;ve tried to
 > answer his questions - but since I&#039;m not affiliated with
Spamcop (other
 > than
 > being a mostly satisfied user), I had to refer him to the
deputies.
 > (I guess it&#039;s time to add an "I&#039;m not official" tag to
my .sig).
 > 
 > However, he did say this - which piqued my curiosity:
 > 
 > > What&#039;s more, when I sent mail to the address I&#039;ve used
in previous
 > > listings (bl at spamcop.net), I promptly found that mail blocked by
 > > spamcop (I&#039;m in the RBL after all) AND listed as evidence
of
 > > spamming!   How am I supposed to report an erroneous listing if
the
 > > erroreous listing address listed on the website is itself used
to
 > > both block and list spam?
 > 
 > Can this be true?  Do Spamcop&#039;s admins reject mail using
their own
 > blocklist?!  I can&#039;t imagine that&#039;s the case - since I
would guess that
 > the
 > bulk of the email they receive would be from spam-listed sites!
 > 
 > I&#039;m hoping that the problem is that he sent the message to
spamcop.net,
 > instead of admin.spamcop.net - Does this make a difference?
 > 
 > --
 > Jim Seymour.
 > I do not work for Spamcop.net.
 > I am not the Postfix guru who wrote pflogsumm.
 > I am not the dead columnist from PC Magazine.
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > ------------------------------
 > 
 > Message: 11
 > Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:07:31 -0000
 > From: "Brian" 
 > Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Changing Login Account
 > To: spamcop-mail at news.spamcop.net
 > Message-ID: 
 > 
 > Hi
 > 
 > I apologise if this question has been asked before....
 > 
 > Is it possible to change my SpamCop email address? Most of the
spam I
 > get is
 > directly to my SpamCop address. I do not give out my SpamCop
address but
 > use
 > forwarding services to point to SpamCop.
 > 
 > Thanks
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > ------------------------------
 > 
 > Message: 12
 > Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:12:29 -0500
 > From: eddie 
 > Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Virus infected getting through
 > To: spamcop-mail at news.spamcop.net
 > Message-ID: 
 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
 > 
 > On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:13:21 -0500, Jeff G. wrote:
 > snip
 > >
 > > They could contact their customers and/or block the abuse in any
 > number of
 > > ways.
 > 
 > so far ntlworld has done nothing about 81.96.180.1 sending this
paypal
 > virus-like spew/scam. Nothing! I just got another one. The
computer is
 > wide open and we are powerless. It&#039;s worse than spam, in my
opinion.
 > So on it goes.
 > 
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