[SpamCop-Mail] Re: This newsgroup is going away

[Miss Betsy]

"Marjolein Katsma" <nobody at spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9480BFEBC715Fhomesitehelp at 216.154.195.61...
> Miss Betsy (nobody at spamcop.net) wrote in news:bve1jo$69n$1
> @news.spamcop.net:
>
> > Which is part of the problem with an unmoderated ng.  The web
forum
> > will be moderated and social comments moved to the Lounge.
>
> But that is (maybe) a problem with an *unmoderated* NG. Newsgroups
can
> be moderated, so a web forum isn't necessarily the solution. If it's
> really the lack of moderation that causes problems, then
_moderation_ is
> the solution.

Possibly.  I can't remember if that particular solution was suggested
or not.

>
> > And I agree with the other poster (in maybe another thread) that a
web
> > forum is easier for non-technically fluent people to use.
>
> Define "technically fluent".

Someone who knows what headers are in relation to "downloading
headers" - that's something that I still don't know.  I am assuming
that downloading the headers is harmless since nothing negative has
happened.


>
> A web forum is NOT necessarily easier to use than a newsgroup.
> Navigating both has to be learned, with web forums having an
additional
> disadvantage in having non-standard code, structure, icons, and
> navigation: each has its own because all that is defined in HTML.
With a
> newsgroup there is only a single  structure: that defined by how
NNTP
> works. using a newsgroup has to be learned only once - and then you
can
> use *any* newsgroup. Using a web forum has to be learned all over
again
> for each web forum. How can that be easier? What does "technically
> fluent" have to do with it? Just the fact that you can use a browser
> does NOT imply that you can use a particular web site (whether that
is a
> forum or another site).

>From my own experience, I managed to get questions answered using a
web forum on several different occasions (and different forums)
because what I had to do was something that I had done before (on web
sites and in software programs) and had an educated guess about what
might happen next.  It took me days to get up the courage to download
100 headers.

>
> > IMHO, it is an improvement (especially since it got rid of the web
> > box).
>
> It may be easier for *some*. But not providing an NNTP interface
means
> it's also impoverished. Some help that was avalaible in spamcop.help
> will NOT be available in teh web forum *unless* an NNTP interface to
teh
> same message base is provided.

Some conversations took place in .mail that didn't take place in
spamcop or in .help about spam reporting topics.

The only help that will not be available in the web forum that was
available in .help will the experience of posters to .help who will
not use the web forum.  No one is indispensable.  And if you mean
something about searching archives, the majority of newcomers can't
seem to even read the instructions.  I am sure that important points
will show up in both areas.


>
> > So there is really nothing to gripe at JT for.
>
> There is plenty to gripe. Such as his TOTALLY ignoring ALL
suggestions
> and advice given, even about a web forum, and his obvious
unwillingness
> to even announce HERE that the web forum has gone live.

That's a minor omission.  Perhaps he didn't think that anyone who
wasn't interested enough to go to the web forum would be interested in
whether it was live or not.

He ignored your suggestions and my suggestions, but he does seem to be
listening to some other people.

Miss Betsy