From gecl5mlo2 at REPLACEoWITHzero.sneakemail.com Mon Oct 3 02:18:54 2005 From: gecl5mlo2 at REPLACEoWITHzero.sneakemail.com (John Dlugosz) Date: Mon Oct 3 02:20:25 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Feature Suggestion Message-ID: It's nice to have spamcop figure out the right address to report "phishing" to, in hopes that the bank (or ebay or amazon) will hunt down those fellows, or perhaps start using digital signatures (one can hope anyway). Anyway, I found spamcop did not resolve the "fake" links that the user thinks he is clicking on. I'm sure they will always stay a step ahead, or will use graphics only. I noticed that there was no copy of the report sent to "abuse@..." to the company being spoofed. I added it to the "user notification" blank at the bottom, guessing that "abuse@" is the way to go. But why guess? Why not let spamcop look up the reporting address based on the link I supply. My feature suggestion is to have blanks for telling you the cosmetic name for a fake link that spamcop didn't figure out for itself. It can then proceed to look up the fraud address for that site. --John From gecl5mlo2 at REPLACEoWITHzero.sneakemail.com Mon Oct 3 02:21:50 2005 From: gecl5mlo2 at REPLACEoWITHzero.sneakemail.com (John Dlugosz) Date: Mon Oct 3 02:25:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Gov of China is phishing! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: How do you "add those addresses to the email"? I forward the email to the spamcop reporting address, and it forwards as an attachment with all headers intact. --John Glenn Daniels wrote: > "Rick Merrill" wrote > ... > >>paypal phishing should also be forwarded to spoof@ebay.com >> > > > When it is an eBay phish I use spoof/at/ebay.com. > When it is a PayPal phish, use spoof/at/paypal.com. > > The phish in either case is forwarded "as attachment" > and it helps if no note is added by sender and the > "Subject" header is not altered. > > For my purposes I add these addressees to the > email: > spoof/at/millersmiles.co.uk > reportphishing/at/antiphishing.org > nophishing/at/cbbb.bbb.org (Better Business Bureau) > submit/at/phishcop.net > > Glenn > > From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Oct 4 13:04:00 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Tue Oct 4 13:05:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Quick Reporting returns empty data References: Message-ID: Replying to cross-post this into the other newsgroups ... Don also posted this into the Forum discussion at http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=5055 "SpamCop Admin" wrote in message news:nea5k1d2pmedts97o3aev1q24d9h0evehj@4ax.com... > Reporting from webmail is inserting a blank line between the header > lines and causing the parse to fail. > > I paged JeffT and sent him email about the problem. > > Unfortunately, that's all I can do. He is not up on IM, so he may be > away from his office. > > - Don D'Minion - SpamCop Admin - From MikeE at ster.invalid Thu Oct 6 18:58:14 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Thu Oct 6 21:00:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Newsgroups beef (was Stock inflaters?) References: Message-ID: ng/s expanded to .help and .mail -- f/ups to .help Mike Easter wrote: > Keith Jillings wrote: >> Thanks for that link - I've not used the forums before - should I use >> those rather than posting here? > > I suppose you /could/ use the forums instead of the newsgroups. Or, > you could use the spamcop.mail wannabe-dead newsgroup, which would be > /my/ recommendation. Those of us nntp diehards would like to see the > spamcop.mail newsgroup kept alive with these questions by newsgroup > competents. I don't think that a person who is capable of using a > newsreader should have to take hir questions to a webforum which has > all of its problems instead of having your questions answered > competently in the newsgroup instead of being sent to a webforum. Just to iterate a little history here. Once upon a time some powers came along and tried to destroy support in the spamcop.mail newsgroup by removing it from here http://www.spamcop.net/help.shtml#nntp Newsgroups [spamcop, geeks, social, spam] and also from here: http://www.spamcop.net/sitemap.shtml Forums General discussion Email discussion Mailhosts system discussion NNTP (usenet style) Newsgroups ... simply because the/a power didn't like to support newsgroup questions and wanted to instigate his own notions of webforum support. It was a shortsighted concept because of lack of full appreciation for what is bad about a webforum's various 'manifestations' and what is good about nntp support functions. The webforum structure is very suboptimal for faq construction in spite of WazoO's diligent efforts to work with what he has; and extremely 'suboptimal' to 'throw out the baby with the bathwater' in an effort to satisfy the personal preferences of a single individual about support concepts. Even if it isn't exactly a single individual. What needs to happen is that the webforums need to do 'their thing'; plus there needs to be a 'dynamic' faq in some form such as a wiki or website faq dynamics [as opposed to trying to make a wiki out of a forum or a webfaq out of a forum]; and most importantly, there needs to be continuing and ongoing nntp newsgroup support for the various newsgroups *including* spamcop.mail. It is crazy to try to impair its support by 'hiding it' and by 'ignoring' it as was previously and currently done. It shouldn't be ignored by administration; it shouldn't be ignored by the website and forum links; and it *should* be supported by anyone who is interested in providing support. furrfu! -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From borgholio at storymind.com Sun Oct 9 19:38:23 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sun Oct 9 21:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Which blacklists work best? Message-ID: I'm toying around with the SC Email blacklists, trying to find which ones work the best. Even with Spamassassin set at 1, I still get some spam slipping past the filter. I don't want to go overkill and select every single BL available...or do I? From borgholio at storymind.com Sun Oct 9 20:21:22 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sun Oct 9 22:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Which blacklists work best? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > Borgholio wrote: > > >>I don't want to go overkill and select every >>single BL available...or do I? > > > I don't have any trouble with all the blacklists selected. > Thanks! From jeffg at spamcop.net Mon Oct 10 12:42:04 2005 From: jeffg at spamcop.net (Jeff G.) Date: Mon Oct 10 11:45:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Gov of China is phishing! References: Message-ID: "John Dlugosz" wrote in message news:dhqilu$nee$2@news.spamcop.net... > How do you "add those addresses to the email"? > > I forward the email to the spamcop reporting address, and it forwards as > an attachment with all headers intact. You can either pay SpamCop for the privilege or send a Manual Report to those addresses. From jeffg at spamcop.net Mon Oct 10 20:38:28 2005 From: jeffg at spamcop.net (Jeff G.) Date: Mon Oct 10 19:40:26 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Strange "quick report" problem References: <4342A220.5C92A294@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:4342A220.5C92A294@spamcop.net... > I submitted several spams in my Inbox for quick reporting, and I got the > following e-mail in reply: > > ========== > SpamCop.net > Here are the results of your submission: > > Processing spam: From: > Subject: > > > Processing spam: From: > Subject: > > > Processing spam: From: > Subject: > > > Processing spam: From: > Subject: > > > Processing spam: From: > Subject: > > > Processing spam: From: > Subject: > > > Processing spam: From: > Subject: The described symptom (failure of the "Report as Spam" type of Quick Reporting from Webmail due to blank lines in the headers of the messages) is no longer a problem as of Oct 6 2005 at 12:15 PM EDT -0400 (16:15 UTC -0000) per Steven Underwood's post http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=5055&view=findpost&p=33793 and personal experience. However, forwarding from Webmail is still subject to blank lines in the headers of the forwarded messages, and JT is still working on that. I suggest that SpamCop Email System Customers who want to do full reporting should either copy from the Webmail "Message Source" page and paste into the Parser or use Very Easy Reporting (VER) to submit for Reporting until this problem is fixed, and then they can go back to using Webmail's message list to forward to their Submit Addresses. -- Best Regards, Jeff G. I have been a SpamCop User/Member/Customer since 1999 and am a Moderator of the new web-based forums (now the primary method for getting help, http://forum.spamcop.net). Please contact me via Forum only, as PMs and Emails may be posted, reported, and/or ridiculed. From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Oct 12 14:15:56 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Oct 12 16:20:36 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Thank $deity for Spamcop.... Message-ID: The Spamcop filtering service paid for itself within two or three days after I signed up for it. Today, however, left no doubt whatsoever. I leave for 20 minutes to get a print cartridge for my fax machine. I get back and find over 200 misdirected bounces from spam using a forged@mydomain.com address. Only about 20 of those got through the SC filters...dodged the bullet to be sure. mmmmm....quick report..... From a.macgregor at sympatico.ca Wed Oct 12 20:10:03 2005 From: a.macgregor at sympatico.ca (alan macgregor) Date: Wed Oct 12 19:09:57 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] please unsubscribe me Message-ID: <001e01c5cf82$13ee9c70$6400a8c0@alan088aaf5722> please unsubscribe me. From baloo at ursine.ca Thu Oct 13 11:33:25 2005 From: baloo at ursine.ca (baloo@ursine.ca) Date: Thu Oct 13 14:10:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: please unsubscribe me References: Message-ID: <5ci223-r6m.ln1@ursine.ca> alan macgregor wrote: > please unsubscribe me. In most news readers, right click on spamcop.mail and click on Unsubscribe. If you're on some sort of mailing list, look for an X-List-Unsubscribe: header or read the instructions in the footer. From gecl5mlo2 at REPLACEoWITHzero.sneakemail.com Fri Oct 14 23:58:35 2005 From: gecl5mlo2 at REPLACEoWITHzero.sneakemail.com (John Dlugosz) Date: Sat Oct 15 00:00:18 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Error: "message content is not acceptable here" Message-ID: When forwarding a message to my reporting account, I got a message "An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: message content is not acceptable here. Please check the message and try again." --John From MikeE at ster.invalid Sat Oct 15 03:21:06 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Sat Oct 15 05:25:29 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Error: "message content is not acceptable here" References: Message-ID: John Dlugosz wrote: > When forwarding a message to my reporting account, I got a message "An > error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: message > content is not acceptable here. Please check the message and try > again." Several things are not clear to me, so making assumptions is a bad idea without some clarification. One assumption is that you are getting the message you describe from some kind of outbound filter system installed by your mail server provder's server. That is, there is a content based filter acting on your outgoing mail, and that content filter is detecting the spam content of the submission to the submit address. If that is actually the case, you wouldn't be able to mail submit spam unless something changed. Another assumption is that although you have posted this message in the spamcop.mail newsgroup, which was originally intended for support for the people with spamcop mail accounts http://www.spamcop.net/ces/individuals.shtml = SpamCop Email System for Individuals = but in reality your question is not about the spamcop email account system, but instead is about a spamcop reporting issue, which is normally discussed in the newsgroups spamcop or spamcop.help, not .mail. Another assumption or derivation is that there is 'something funny' with your posting IP address. I thought that by determining your IP address from your news message headers that I would be able to determine your mail provider and that I could check and see if your mail provider had some kind of outbound filter in place. I discovered that your nntp posting IP is 216.36.107.74 which surprisingly has the rDNS mail.hgimail.com even though it is a megapath netblock IP. That is surprising because mail.hgimail.com DNS 204.117.182.162 which is the MX for hgimail.com domainname which belongs to Homemade Gourmet Inc under Sprint. So I can't make any sense out of your IP's rDNS which is provided by the megapath nameservers which owns the block of your IP. Strange condition. So, in order to eliminate confusion, you should confirm that -1- you don't have a spamcop mail account, but you are asking a question about 'simple' spamcop reporting by mail -2- the message you are describing is coming from your mail provider's smtp server and -3- who your mail provider is which is giving you that message. If you know why your posting IP's megapath nameservers should be rDNSing your IP as mail.hgimail.com, I would also be curious to know that. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From MikeE at ster.invalid Tue Oct 18 11:34:39 2005 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Tue Oct 18 13:35:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Blocklists not being checked? References: Message-ID: posted to .help & .mail; f/ups to .mail Tim P. wrote: > Blocklists not being querried today? I found almost all my spam this > morning tagged by spamassassin and not anything else. I use all the > blocklists so this is unusual considering that most of the junk is > normally listed by them. This .help ng and the spamcop ng are principally for 'general' spamcop questions. The old musty ng spamcop.mail was originally for help with spamcop mail account related issues, but that ng is hidden away from public view except when you access the spamcop newsserver at news://news.spamcop.net which will provide a view of all of the newsgroups, including control.cancel and routing and such, including spamcop.mail. Someone familiar with mail may come along here, or I can post this in .mail and .help and make f/ups to .mail, or, if you are not averse webforums, you can look in there; or if you /really/ like webforums, you can register and post a question in there. http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showforum=4 SpamCop Email System & Accounts -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Oct 21 15:58:40 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Fri Oct 21 15:05:24 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Maintenance Window 10/21/2005 -- Effective Immediately Message-ID: We are starting a maintenance window to update portions of the reporting system. This will not effect the SpamCop mail system. We expect this to take less than 2 hours. The maintenance will start shortly. Thank you for your patience. Ellen SpamCop Follow'ups to Spamcop Please propagate to the forums From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Oct 22 10:59:45 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Sat Oct 22 10:10:23 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Maintenance Window 10/25/2005 Message-ID: Maintenance Window Tuesday, October 25, 2005 14:00 -0400 The reporting system will be down for maintenance 12/25/05. We anticipate that this will take less than 2 hours. Your submitted spam will be queued by the mailservers and processed when the system is back up. There may be slight delays in processing spam as the system works through the backlog. Thank you for your patience. The email system is not affected and will operate as usual. Ellen SpamCop Followups to spamcop Please propagate to the forums. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Oct 22 18:04:48 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Sat Oct 22 17:15:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Maintenance Window -- 10/25/2005 correction Message-ID: Maintenance Window Tuesday, October 25, 2005 14:00 -0400 The reporting system will be down for maintenance *****10/25/05.****** We anticipate that this will take less than 2 hours. Your submitted spam will be queued by the mailservers and processed when the system is back up. There may be slight delays in processing spam as the system works through the backlog. Thank you for your patience. The email system is not affected and will operate as usual Sorry the original text had a fat finger -- the maint window is not 12/25 but 10/25 -- sigh. And I really *do* read this stuff before I post it :-( Ellen SpamCop From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Oct 29 15:29:28 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Sat Oct 29 15:31:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Munging "User Notification" Reports Message-ID: No sure why data not presented here, so I'm doing that. Way back when, there was a thread titled: tekcom & dtag I had a link: http://news.spamcop.net/pipermail/spamcop-list/2005-August/thread.html#103719 bit noted that I didn't drop into the specific post, and dates aren't part of the display ... so title on that page is: [SpamCop-List] tekcom & dtag, later changed to; [SpamCop-List] 3rd party SC reports [was Re: tekcom & dtag] Anyway, discussion occurred there, I also made an Announcement of that issue in the Forum, found at Munged/Unmunged 3rd party reports http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=4673 Don made a posting "over there" yesterday, seen at; Munging "User Notification" Reports, Starting Soon http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=5250 Some confusion followed, some editing done, some more conversation, and another Forum user helped out by finding the "lost" Topic/Discussion ... (a bit embarrassing to see that it turned out to be my Announcement posting) ... I'm thinking that this was posted to the Forum, based on my dialog, which included Forum data ... after tracing things back, re-reading my own post, I'm bringing back to the newsgroups. Once again, noting that some data does not exist in the newsgroup archives due to use of the X-NoArchive bit settings/inclusion ... the original newsgroup traffic is just about ready to age off ... (I'm showing Message-ID: as my "first" link into the 'situation', dated 8/6/05) While I'm at it, Don's current/edited posted data; -=-=-=-=-=-=- Starting soon, possibly tomorrow, SpamCop will no longer send un-munged User Notification reports to abuse addresses that refuse to accept munged reports unless the user gives specific permission. Below my signature is what the user will see when he tries to send the report. If he 're-confirms' he is presented with a pop-up dialog telling him that he can send the un-munged report if he wants to. - Don D'Minion - SpamCop Admin - There is a problem: At least one User Defined Recipient refuses munged reports. Please re-confirm all recipients. Report Spam to: Using abuse#address.com[at]devnull.spamcop.net for statistical tracking. -=-=-=-=-=-=- From alexshapiro at alexshapiro.com Sun Oct 30 12:07:01 2005 From: alexshapiro at alexshapiro.com (Alex) Date: Sun Oct 30 12:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] pop3 down Message-ID: pop3 email servers are down. when will they be back up? From jeffg at spamcop.net Sun Oct 30 12:27:03 2005 From: jeffg at spamcop.net (Jeff G.) Date: Sun Oct 30 12:30:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: pop3 down References: Message-ID: "Alex" wrote in message news:dk2ujm$qq4$1@news.spamcop.net in newsgroup spamcop.mail: > pop3 email servers are down. when will they be back up? It's working for me at present, both on insecure standard Port 110 and on secure SSL Port 995. What error message(s) are you getting? What client and OS are you using? Are you able to use the same client on the same system to POP from other mailservers? My recommendations for getting mail from the SpamCop Email System are at http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=152 . -- Thanks and Best Regards, Jeff G. I have been a SpamCop User/Member/Customer since 1999 and am a Moderator of the new web-based forums (now the primary method for getting help, http://forum.spamcop.net). Please contact me via Forum only. From alexshapiro at alexshapiro.com Mon Oct 31 07:19:22 2005 From: alexshapiro at alexshapiro.com (Alex) Date: Mon Oct 31 07:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] anyone else having problems? Message-ID: Is anyone else having problems with their pop3 access? From alexshapiro at alexshapiro.com Mon Oct 31 10:37:07 2005 From: alexshapiro at alexshapiro.com (Alex) Date: Mon Oct 31 10:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] pop3 servers still down Message-ID: what is going on? is anyone going to fix this problem? From jeffg at spamcop.net Mon Oct 31 10:56:54 2005 From: jeffg at spamcop.net (Jeff G.) Date: Mon Oct 31 11:00:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: pop3 servers still down References: Message-ID: Alex wrote: > what is going on? is anyone going to fix this problem? Are you going to answer my previous questions? They were in a reply in this Newsgroup yesterday, with "Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 12:27:03 -0500" and "NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:29:58 +0000 (UTC)". What servername are you trying to connect to? The following is quoted from my Reply http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=3785&view=findpost&p=25284 : The correct servernames to use are pop.spamcop.net and imap.spamcop.net (depending on the protocol). Alternates that may work for the moment are as follows: mail.spamcop.net pop.cesmail.net imap.cesmail.net mail.cesmail.net 216.154.195.50 You could also try restarting Outlook and/or your PC, and temporarily disabling any recently-installed anti-virus or firewall product. Please let us know what works for you, and email supportspamcop.net in any event. -- Thanks and Best Regards, Jeff G. I have been a SpamCop User/Member/Customer since 1999 and am a Moderator of the new web-based forums (now the primary method for getting help, http://forum.spamcop.net). Please contact me via Forum only. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Oct 31 14:54:47 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Mon Oct 31 15:15:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: pop3 servers still down References: Message-ID: "Alex" wrote in message news:dk5dn4$475$1@news.spamcop.net... > what is going on? is anyone going to fix this problem? > > The servers are up and running fine and have been. You need to email support@spamcop.net with the name of your account so Jeff can see what is happening with your account. Ellen SpamCop From borgholio at storymind.com Mon Oct 31 13:41:32 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Mon Oct 31 16:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Spamcop occasionally leaving mail on server? Message-ID: Once every couple weeks I'll see a few emails on my mailserver that have been marked as read, but I never read them. Spamcop also never downloads them...probably because they're already marked as read. Is it normal for SC to mark a message as read yet not download it from time to time? From jeffg at spamcop.net Mon Oct 31 22:04:12 2005 From: jeffg at spamcop.net (Jeff G.) Date: Mon Oct 31 22:05:49 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] "User defined recipient" Checkboxes Now Checked By Default Message-ID: Every potential Reportee under the "Re: Forwarded Spam (User defined recipient)" heading is now checked by default, despite any setting of "3rd party report default" to the contrary. On the other hand, "(Third party interested in email source)" (in most cases, "Cyveillance spam collection") DOES respect that setting. I renew my call for a User Defined Recipient Report Default section in User Defined Recipient Report Default capability at http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=5152. I have emailed SpamCop Deputies and SpamCop Admin, and posted about this in the "Reporting defaults have changed" Topic at http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=5277 . -- Best Regards, Jeff G. I have been a SpamCop User/Member/Customer since 1999 and am a Moderator of the new web-based forums (now the primary method for getting help, http://forum.spamcop.net). Please contact me via Forum only. From jeffg at spamcop.net Mon Oct 31 22:47:12 2005 From: jeffg at spamcop.net (Jeff G.) Date: Mon Oct 31 23:10:38 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: "User defined recipient" Checkboxes Now Checked By Default References: Message-ID: Deputy Richard W posted the following in http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=5277&view=findpost&p=35300 at 10:13 PM EST -0500 (about half an hour ago): I added a user defined address into my preferences and the box is in fact checked by default, which IIRC is opposite of what used to be done. Changes to the user-defined report handling went live today after about a week of testing on the beta system. Obviously the changes (which I think Don posted about earlier) did change the default behaviour. I'll put through a bug report on that. Richard -- Best Regards, Jeff G. I have been a SpamCop User/Member/Customer since 1999 and am a Moderator of the new web-based forums (now the primary method for getting help, http://forum.spamcop.net). Please contact me via Forum only"Jeff G." wrote in message news:dk6m0a$rcr$2@news.spamcop.net... > Every potential Reportee under the "Re: Forwarded Spam (User defined > recipient)" heading is now checked by default, despite any setting of > "3rd party report default" to the contrary. On the other hand, "(Third > party interested in email source)" (in most cases, "Cyveillance spam > collection") DOES respect that setting. I renew my call for a User > Defined Recipient Report Default section in User Defined Recipient > Report Default capability at > http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=5152. > > I have emailed SpamCop Deputies and SpamCop Admin, and posted about this > in the "Reporting defaults have changed" Topic at > http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=5277 . > > -- > Best Regards, Jeff G. > I have been a SpamCop User/Member/Customer since 1999 and am a > Moderator of the new web-based forums (now the primary method for > getting help, http://forum.spamcop.net). Please contact me via Forum > only. >