From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Feb 1 05:25:05 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Feb 1 08:25:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Blacklist by Subject? References: Message-ID: Mark Buckles wrote: > I am a new subscriber to SpamCop's e-mail filtering > service - already I love it! > > Question: I see that I can set up a blacklist to > block e-mail by listing a sender's adress; is > there a way to refuse the acceptance of e-mail > according to the content of the subject line? What you have displayed in the link below is subjects which contain 8 bit ascii chars > The reason I ask is because I get a lot of e-mail > with strange characters in the subject. Example: > http://www.markbuckles.com/misc/spam.jpg I use SpamPal which has a user configurable regex plugin which contains a line: SUBJECT: 220.0 {([\x80-\xff].*){6,}} [SUBJ_FULL_OF_8BITS Subject is full of 8-bit characters] which means that regex would assign a value of 220.0 [of 500 for spam] for the appearance of 8 bit chars and I could tune that value up or down -- or I could tune up or down the 'breaking point' for spam value. I'm not experienced with SC mail's filter system, but my understanding is that you can't 'reconfigure' the SA SpamAssassin filter rules, you can only adjust what level of value you want to recognize as spam. SA has a lot of different kinds of rules to cover issues like these, but I don't think you can independently configure them. The SA rules which SC uses and their values are the same for all SC mail users. I think. > (note: I have all the DNS Blacklist options selected, > and SpamAssassin level set to 5) > > It would be nice to be able to configure filters > that would disallow delivery of such e-mail. > eg: if subject contains ?, do not receive. > > If there is a way to do this, please tell me how. > > Also, is there a way to deny acceptance of e-mail > according to country of origin? Yes, but I think there was a problem with that filter or list recently. Maybe it is fixed now. This discussion group is about general questions about spamcop; there is another ng about questions about the SC mail service, and some of the people who support mail questions prefer to support those questions in the webforum. I'll post this reply to both groups and make followups to spamcop.mail. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From PossumTrot at dont.spam.me Wed Feb 1 07:36:55 2006 From: PossumTrot at dont.spam.me (Possum Trot) Date: Wed Feb 1 10:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Blacklist by Subject? References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:drqcqf$666$1@news.spamcop.net... > Mark Buckles wrote: >> I am a new subscriber to SpamCop's e-mail filtering >> service - already I love it! >> >> Question: I see that I can set up a blacklist to >> block e-mail by listing a sender's adress; is >> there a way to refuse the acceptance of e-mail >> according to the content of the subject line? > > What you have displayed in the link below is subjects which contain 8 > bit ascii chars > >> The reason I ask is because I get a lot of e-mail >> with strange characters in the subject. Example: >> http://www.markbuckles.com/misc/spam.jpg > > I use SpamPal which has a user configurable regex plugin which contains > a line: > > SUBJECT: 220.0 {([\x80-\xff].*){6,}} [SUBJ_FULL_OF_8BITS Subject is > full of 8-bit characters] I have OE rules set to throw away mail with those 8-bit characters. From brian at chivalrybookshelf.com Wed Feb 1 10:01:02 2006 From: brian at chivalrybookshelf.com (B. price) Date: Wed Feb 1 11:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Mail service down this am? Message-ID: As of this morning, I cannot reach the mail servers via pop or webmal. What's happening? From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Feb 1 09:11:11 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Feb 1 12:15:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Blacklist by Subject? References: Message-ID: Possum Trot wrote: > "Mike Easter" >> I use SpamPal which has a user configurable regex plugin which >> contains a line: >> >> SUBJECT: 220.0 {([\x80-\xff].*){6,}} [SUBJ_FULL_OF_8BITS Subject is >> full of 8-bit characters] > > I have OE rules set to throw away mail with those 8-bit characters. OE's message rule sez "where subject contains words" What do you put in the words field? -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Feb 1 12:44:48 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Feb 1 15:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Spamcop not connecting to external POP servers Message-ID: I know the mail service had issues this morning, but it seems that it's still having problems connecting to and downloading mail from external POP servers. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 09:07:32 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Mark) Date: Tue Feb 7 09:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Email Forwarding Speed Message-ID: Hello I have been a subscriber of spamcop for a few years -- I have lately noticed that the mail takes some time to go through the filtering, and I want to know if there is something I can do to speed up the process. It used to be minutes, but now it is hours. I would prefer to have a ticketing system inside the webmail interface instead of having to cloak identities in this newsgroup. -- Mark From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 08:25:37 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Tue Feb 7 09:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Email Forwarding Speed References: Message-ID: "Mark" wrote in message news:dsa9j3$nl1$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I have been a subscriber of spamcop for a few years -- I have > lately noticed that the mail takes some time to go through the > filtering, and I want to know if there is something I can do to > speed up the process. It used to be minutes, but now it is hours. Your complaint is not universal. A set of headers to demonstrate that it is a SpamCop e-mail problem would help. > I would prefer to have a ticketing system inside the webmail > interface instead of having to cloak identities in this newsgroup. Why not compare notes with other e-mail account holders in the Forum? From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 11:39:45 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Mark) Date: Tue Feb 7 11:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Email Forwarding Speed References: Message-ID: Hi WazoO I also have high cholesterol, and though I have shared that health concern with other people who are coaching me on my diet, I have not assumed that the condition is universal. I asked about my own settings, and one thing I decided to do today was remove all the whitelisted addresses to see if that had an effect -- I had over 13 pages, including some that I did not know anymore and also people I have not corresponded with in years. I also cleaned out all the blacklisted except one which I know is still active. Like cholesterol, both lists grow over the years. In any case, the webmail blacklist was more dark gray than black because some would sneak through, but I would report them too. Historical average processing time is a collectable number, and I have hundreds of emails to document processing times since I joined on May 3, 2001. I'm even looking at some test emails I sent myself in May 2001, and there are time headers there. I have sent some new tests from several emails and will see what types of numeric results I get. I have both ISP mail and also web-hosting-based mail and there are other combinations I can try on my side. What makes my new tests different though is sending simultaneously to the non-filtered ISP email and the filtered spamcop email, which is doubtless an apples-for-apples comparison to factor out network load. What I know is that an email I sent to my ISP (bellsouth) takes 18 seconds (just now) but I'm waiting for the spamcop email. I won't be sharing headers in this public newsgroup but I will post again when I have statistics. Other subscribers might provide insight on this newsgroup. -- Mark "WazoO" wrote in message news:dsaal2$o80$1@news.spamcop.net... "Mark" wrote in message news:dsa9j3$nl1$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I have been a subscriber of spamcop for a few years -- I have > lately noticed that the mail takes some time to go through the > filtering, and I want to know if there is something I can do to > speed up the process. It used to be minutes, but now it is hours. Your complaint is not universal. A set of headers to demonstrate that it is a SpamCop e-mail problem would help. > I would prefer to have a ticketing system inside the webmail > interface instead of having to cloak identities in this newsgroup. Why not compare notes with other e-mail account holders in the Forum? From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 15:51:05 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Tue Feb 7 15:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Email Forwarding Speed References: Message-ID: "Mark" wrote in message news:dsaigj$tr0$1@news.spamcop.net... Hi WazoO Historical average processing time is a collectable number, and I have hundreds of emails to document processing times since I joined on May 3, 2001. I'm even looking at some test emails I sent myself in May 2001, and there are time headers there. Have you thought about popping your mail instead of having it forwarded? Forwarding takes place periodically and if the @spamcop/cesmail servers have a problem when they try to forward they will try again but at longer time intervals. Ellen From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 16:17:03 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Tue Feb 7 17:20:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Email Forwarding Speed References: Message-ID: > > > "WazoO" wrote in message news:dsaal2$o80$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > "Mark" wrote in message news:dsa9j3$nl1$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > > > I would prefer to have a ticketing system inside the webmail >> > interface instead of having to cloak identities in this newsgroup. > > > > Why not compare notes with other e-mail account holders in > > the Forum? > > "Mark" wrote in message news:dsaigj$tr0$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I won't be sharing headers in this public newsgroup but I will post again when I have statistics. > > Other subscribers might provide insight on this newsgroup. Whatever. Just pointed out that SpamCop filtered e-mail account support has been identified as being handld in the Forum by the guy that owns and tuns the hardware hosting these newsgroups, the Forum, and the e-mail accounts. If you'll notice, traffic in this newsgroup is very sparse. You will get a much better response and / or comparisons by posting your query where there is traffic. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 17:49:55 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Mark) Date: Tue Feb 7 17:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Email Forwarding Speed References: Message-ID: Hi Ellen That information is good and important. -- Mark "Ellen" wrote in message news:dsb188$6td$1@news.spamcop.net... Have you thought about popping your mail instead of having it forwarded? Forwarding takes place periodically and if the @spamcop/cesmail servers have a problem when they try to forward they will try again but at longer time intervals. Ellen From nobody at nowhere.invalid Tue Feb 7 23:56:17 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Tue Feb 7 18:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Email Forwarding Speed References: Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:49:55 -0500, Mark coughed into spamcop.mail and left this in : > > > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > > > >
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"Ellen" < href=3D"mailto:nobody@spamcop.net">nobody@spamcop.net> wrote in = > message=20 > Message-ID: Hi Steve Actually, I added spamcop as a direct POP and I see no evidence that forwarding to Bellsouth as an ISP is making a difference in my case. I might believe that some smaller ISPs may not be able to receive email, but it's harder to believe for Bellsouth. Theories can be tested with experiments. -- Mark "Steven Maesslein" wrote in message news:slrndui9ch.d9i.nobody@127.0.0.1... What interesting reading this makes.... NOT. -- Steve Light travels faster than sound. That is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Feb 7 22:58:05 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Mark) Date: Tue Feb 7 23:00:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Email Forwarding Speed References: Message-ID: Hi WazoO You may be right -- traffic all around spamcop may be slow. My tests continue, results posted later. -- Mark "WazoO" wrote in message news:dsb68v$akb$1@news.spamcop.net... Whatever. Just pointed out that SpamCop filtered e-mail account support has been identified as being handld in the Forum by the guy that owns and tuns the hardware hosting these newsgroups, the Forum, and the e-mail accounts. If you'll notice, traffic in this newsgroup is very sparse. You will get a much better response and / or comparisons by posting your query where there is traffic. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Wed Feb 8 13:18:27 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Wed Feb 8 07:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Email Forwarding Speed References: Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 22:58:05 -0500, Mark coughed into spamcop.mail and left this in : > > > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > > > >
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{snip rest of HTML garbage} *PLONK* -- Steve Some marriages are made in heaven, but they all have to be maintained on earth... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 13:04:15 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Wed Feb 8 13:20:14 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Possible slow reponse to spam submittals Message-ID: You may encounter slow responses to spam submittals. We had some system problems overnight which have resulted in the system needing to work thru some largish backlogs. Operations and engineering are closely monitoring the situation. Thanks for your patience Ellen SpamCop f/ups set to spamcop From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Feb 8 15:40:55 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Feb 8 18:45:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Starting to get annoyed. References: Message-ID: Posted to spamcop & spamcop.mail; followups to .mail Freewheeling wrote: > I've whitelisted an academic listserve I've subscribed to for four > months, but Spamcop continues to send its emails to "Held Mail." - the spamcop ng is for general SC discussion, as opposed to the ng spamcop.mail which is for discussing SC mail accounts and problems - personally, I don't have any experience with a spamcop mail account, but I read the faq and the forum and the ng spamcop.mail - sometimes listservs are tricky to whitelist. It is my understanding that SC checks the headers for Return-Path, From, and Sender for whitelisted entries - there is also a faq page about how the entries work here http://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/304.html Some examples of whitelist and blacklist matching > It > only just started doing this extensively, but has been accepting that > list email with no problems for months. What the deuce is the > problem? Discussing a problem with heldmail is best done by discussing the particular SC Xlines which show why it was held. > I'm also more than a little annoyed by the fact that 75% of my email > is now spam. Isn't spamcop supposed to help with this, and why > aren't they effective? IMO SC spam reporting very very seldom does anything to prevent future spam. The strength of good filtering systems is to prevent spam being in the inbox and to prevent any goodmail from being in the spam. Those of us who advocate reporting may report sources thru' SC so as to contribute to the SC blocklist to aid in future filtering. Those who like to notify spamveriders - spamvertiser providers - would like to believe that might help squash some websites if a white hat provider were involved, and that it contributes to the sc-surbl blocklist. There's not much about the reporting of today's spam which actually causes the securing of spamsources or the dropping of websites, so the reporting doesn't actually lead to less spam in the combined inbox and heldmail -- just an aid in the filtering process if you are using the SC blocklist as one of your filtering aids. > I renewed the service recently, but it was > probably wasted money given the low level of service and the frequent > problems (such as those misidentified posts to the academic list). I think it is very very bad if goodmail gets put in with spam. That flaw in the configuration [likely] or execution [unlikely] should certainly be corrected. > Seriously, how many times do I have to whitelist a sender for it to > take? Is anyone at Spamcop awake? My first guess would be that there is something wrong with the/your whitelisting configuration. > If things don't change this will be the last time I re-up with > Spamcop. They're just not coming through. -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From rathernot at nono.net Wed Feb 8 19:51:16 2006 From: rathernot at nono.net (Freewheeling) Date: Wed Feb 8 19:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Starting to get annoyed. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Easter wrote: > Posted to spamcop & spamcop.mail; followups to .mail > > Freewheeling wrote: > >>I've whitelisted an academic listserve I've subscribed to for four >>months, but Spamcop continues to send its emails to "Held Mail." > > > - the spamcop ng is for general SC discussion, as opposed to the ng > spamcop.mail which is for discussing SC mail accounts and problems > - personally, I don't have any experience with a spamcop mail account, > but I read the faq and the forum and the ng spamcop.mail > - sometimes listservs are tricky to whitelist. It is my understanding > that SC checks the headers for Return-Path, From, and Sender for > whitelisted entries > - there is also a faq page about how the entries work here > http://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/304.html Some examples of > whitelist and blacklist matching > > >>It >>only just started doing this extensively, but has been accepting that >>list email with no problems for months. What the deuce is the >>problem? > > > Discussing a problem with heldmail is best done by discussing the > particular SC Xlines which show why it was held. > What the heck is that, and why should it concern me in the least? Seriously, if Spamcop can't accomodate my circumstances then I shouldn't be paying them anything. I've had lots of other problems, as well, such as their "bug" that identifies my institution's email server as "open transfer" when it's no such thing. This is GMU and they've been trying to get Spamcop to clean up their software bugs for ages, to no avail. They won't even respond. Hell, I'm ready to discontinue the service even though I'm paying for it, the technical problems are so unsettling. Bottom line is that, as yet, 75% of the emails I get in my inbox are spam. The service is crap. There's just no other way to put it. My fantasy was that the spammers were deliberately targetting Spamcop because it was such an effective enemy, but it's been three years with no policy changes, and apparently not even any sofware updates. Pathetic. > >>I'm also more than a little annoyed by the fact that 75% of my email >>is now spam. Isn't spamcop supposed to help with this, and why >>aren't they effective? > > > IMO SC spam reporting very very seldom does anything to prevent future > spam. The strength of good filtering systems is to prevent spam being > in the inbox and to prevent any goodmail from being in the spam. Those > of us who advocate reporting may report sources thru' SC so as to > contribute to the SC blocklist to aid in future filtering. Those who > like to notify spamveriders - spamvertiser providers - would like to > believe that might help squash some websites if a white hat provider > were involved, and that it contributes to the sc-surbl blocklist. > > There's not much about the reporting of today's spam which actually > causes the securing of spamsources or the dropping of websites, so the > reporting doesn't actually lead to less spam in the combined inbox and > heldmail -- just an aid in the filtering process if you are using the SC > blocklist as one of your filtering aids. Gawd, I'm being charged $30 for this? What a load of hooey! I mean, it has its funny side I guess... because the basic assumption was that buying into a spamcop account would have some relatiship to the amount of spam I was likely to get (and hopefully a negative correlation). Apparently that was all wishful thinking, but it was wishful thinking that Spamcop cultivated so it could rake in the dough$$. Time to pull the plug on this sucker, I think. I just renewed, but I'm going to tell my bank to demand a refund, because the product was sold under fraudulent circumstances. I'll also post about this on my blog, which is reasonably well-read (top 30). A ripoff is a ripoff. I'm really angry, and this has been building for some time. I can't actually see any benefit at all to a Spamcop account. None. It's all hype and wishful thinking. Heck, they don't even have a customer complaint department. I'm posting this here, because it's the only place there is. These jerks are probably all in Barbados, and for all we know they're the ones PRODUCING the Spam! (Yeah, it's cute. But not that cute.) > > >>I renewed the service recently, but it was >>probably wasted money given the low level of service and the frequent >>problems (such as those misidentified posts to the academic list). > > > I think it is very very bad if goodmail gets put in with spam. That > flaw in the configuration [likely] or execution [unlikely] should > certainly be corrected. > > >>Seriously, how many times do I have to whitelist a sender for it to >>take? Is anyone at Spamcop awake? > > > My first guess would be that there is something wrong with the/your > whitelisting configuration. > > >>If things don't change this will be the last time I re-up with >> Spamcop. They're just not coming through. > > From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Feb 8 22:02:01 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Wed Feb 8 23:05:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Starting to get annoyed. References: Message-ID: "Freewheeling" wrote in message news:dse3m4$i5b$1@news.spamcop.net... > Mike Easter wrote: > > > > Discussing a problem with heldmail is best done by discussing the > > particular SC Xlines which show why it was held. > > > What the heck is that, and why should it concern me in the least? > Seriously, if Spamcop can't accomodate my circumstances then I shouldn't > be paying them anything. Of you want to resolve why something is or isn't working, someone has to take a look. It's your e-mail, one would think you'd want to sort ot out. If you don't know how, you're going to have to let someone else "see" the data involved in order to offer up a suggestion or two beyond what's already been offered. > I've had lots of other problems, as well, such as their "bug" that > identifies my institution's email server as "open transfer" when it's no > such thing. This is GMU and they've been trying to get Spamcop to clean > up their software bugs for ages, to no avail. They won't even respond. > Hell, I'm ready to discontinue the service even though I'm paying for > it, the technical problems are so unsettling. And now you're hel;ping to confuse the issue .... You started talking about a SpamCop.net giltered e-mail account, which is handled on JT's hardware on the east U.S. coast. This last paragraph deals with the Parsing & Reporting side of the house, which is hosted on IronPort systems on the west U.S. coast. Not the same people, not the same software, not the same functions. > Bottom line is that, as yet, 75% of the emails I get in my inbox are > spam. The service is crap. There's just no other way to put it. My > fantasy was that the spammers were deliberately targetting Spamcop > because it was such an effective enemy, but it's been three years with > no policy changes, and apparently not even any sofware updates. Pathetic. Did you offer to take up JT's offer / request to work with a Beta system quite a while back? No idea what you might mean as far as "policy changes" ... the 'no updates' .. well, one thing that comes to mind was the re-ordering of some of the tools on the e-mail systems, i.e., moving SpamAssassin up in the sequence of events .. that has led to folks believing that the SpamCopDNSBL had become less effective (hard to say, as the issue is that so much stuff gets blocked by the SpamAssassin tool before it ever gets to being naluzed by the SpamCopDNSBL) (and this is coming from someone that doesn't have an e-mail account, just some one who monitors traffic in the newsgroups and the Forum, (which is the primary support venue for a spamcop.net e-mail account) > >>I'm also more than a little annoyed by the fact that 75% of my email > >>is now spam. Isn't spamcop supposed to help with this, and why > >>aren't they effective? No one from this side of the screen can guess at just what your configuration might be, what filters you've selected, how you actually handle your e-mail. > Time to pull the plug on this sucker, I think. I just renewed, but I'm > going to tell my bank to demand a refund, because the product was sold > under fraudulent circumstances. I'll also post about this on my blog, > which is reasonably well-read (top 30). A ripoff is a ripoff. If you'd care to follow the links provided, a refund is available for the asking. > I'm really angry, and this has been building for some time. I can't > actually see any benefit at all to a Spamcop account. None. It's all > hype and wishful thinking. Heck, they don't even have a customer > complaint department. I'm posting this here, because it's the only > place there is. These jerks are probably all in Barbados, and for all > we know they're the ones PRODUCING the Spam! Once again, "this is the only place" is a really strange statement. The flip side to your story are a number of folks (three in just the last two days) that basically started a bit of a rant like this, complaining that after "having spent hours on your site and didn't find squat" were extremely surprised to find the exact answers they needed in one of the FAQs available within the Forum. Two of those were issues with white/black-listing by the way. > >>I renewed the service recently, but it was > >>probably wasted money given the low level of service and the frequent > >>problems (such as those misidentified posts to the academic list). Again, you are mixing up the services of different parts of the thing known as spamcop.net. Take a look at "What is SpamCop?" at http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?act=faq&article=20 > > I think it is very very bad if goodmail gets put in with spam. That > > flaw in the configuration [likely] or execution [unlikely] should > > certainly be corrected. But without the analysis on what is happening to the specific e-mail in question, just how do you propose that nything "get fixed" ..??? > >>Seriously, how many times do I have to whitelist a sender for it to > >>take? Is anyone at Spamcop awake? One recent Forum conversation dealy with the difference between "Forward and Whitelist" and "Release and Whitelist" ... so one could ask the question as to just how you are doing your Whitelisting. It is your account, you are the one making / selecting the the options. Not sure just who you may be thinking of that sets around and watches your keystrokes. From MikeE at ster.invalid Wed Feb 8 20:46:03 2006 From: MikeE at ster.invalid (Mike Easter) Date: Wed Feb 8 23:50:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Starting to get annoyed. References: Message-ID: Freewheeling wrote: > Mike Easter wrote: >> Freewheeling wrote: >> >>> I've whitelisted an academic listserve I've subscribed to for four >>> months, but Spamcop continues to send its emails to "Held Mail." >> Discussing a problem with heldmail is best done by discussing the >> particular SC Xlines which show why it was held. >> > What the heck is that, and why should it concern me in the least? > Seriously, if Spamcop can't accomodate my circumstances then I > shouldn't be paying them anything. Well then, having a discussion here turned out to be a waste of my/our time -- since you never described a situation where a wanted mail was being held and so 'we' never got into a problem-solving mode. Too bad. You just wanted to beef about something -- which I presently think was your own incompetence to properly configure your whitelist, until proven otherwise. > Bottom line is that, as yet, 75% of the emails I get in my inbox are > spam. The service is crap. Sounds like you don't know how to properly configure to identify spam and you also don't know how to properly configure to identify whitelisted. On top of that, you also don't know how to 'configure' to learn how to do it properly. I think it is time for you to skedaddle. > Time to pull the plug on this sucker, I think. Mebbe so. > I just renewed, but > I'm going to tell my bank to demand a refund, because the product was > sold under fraudulent circumstances. Most likely if you want a refund, the admin would be happy to give you a refund, without you getting into a pissing contest between your bank and your legitimate charges and your flakey opinion about those legitimate charges. > I'll also post about this on my > blog, which is reasonably well-read (top 30). A ripoff is a ripoff. Do you publish whatever anyone has to say in rebuttal to your misguided opinions on your blog? Or is your blog a one-way, opinionated, no rebuttals allowed, kinda blog? > I'm really angry, and this has been building for some time. Maybe you should've gotten some help configuring your filters appropriately before you got so frustrated. Maybe you not only don't know how to configure, you also don't know how to get help with what you don't know how to do. He who knows not and knows not he knows not is a fool, shun him.^1 ^1 Men are four: He who knows not and knows not he knows not, he is a fool--shun him; He who knows not and knows he knows not, he is simple--teach him; He who knows and knows not he knows, he is asleep--wake him; He who knows and knows he knows, hi is wise--follow him! Author: Lady Burton Source: given as an Arabian proverb -- Mike Easter kibitzer, not SC admin From nospam at nospam.co.uk Fri Feb 10 15:06:53 2006 From: nospam at nospam.co.uk (Brian) Date: Fri Feb 10 10:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] My own mail is being blocked Message-ID: Hi, Over the last week I have been having a great deal of trouble with mail forwarded to my spamcop account from my domains being blocked by spamcop. I have listed all my domains on my whitelist but that only part solves the problem as I still get substansial amounts blocked Anyone any ideas why this should be so and what I can do to remedy. Thanks From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Feb 10 09:17:03 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Fri Feb 10 10:20:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: My own mail is being blocked References: Message-ID: "Brian" wrote in message news:dsia6f$fhf$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Over the last week I have been having a great deal of trouble with mail > forwarded to my spamcop account from my domains being blocked by spamcop. The SpamCop e-mail system is not configured to "block" any e-mail. You have an option to either "Tag" suspected spam which then allows the incoming to land in your InBox with a "Tagged" Subject: line ... or you choose to "handle" suspected spam which then drops it into your "Held" folder Neither of these fits the word "Blocks" ???? > I have listed all my domains on my whitelist but that only part solves the > problem as I still get substansial amounts blocked Posting the "Rejection" notice might explain the "blocked" issue, especially the part where you say that it's SpamCop that's doing the blocking. From nospam at nospam.co.uk Fri Feb 10 15:30:48 2006 From: nospam at nospam.co.uk (Brian) Date: Fri Feb 10 10:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: My own mail is being blocked References: Message-ID: Ok sorry blocked was probably the wrong word, it was ending up in my held mail instead of my inbox. (I meant to say blocked from my inbox by being diverted to my held mail folder) Not sure what you mean by "WazoO" wrote in message news:dsiaqc$g2v$1@news.spamcop.net... > "Brian" wrote in message > news:dsia6f$fhf$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> Over the last week I have been having a great deal of trouble with mail >> forwarded to my spamcop account from my domains being blocked by spamcop. > > The SpamCop e-mail system is not configured to "block" any e-mail. > You have an option to either "Tag" suspected spam which then allows > the incoming to land in your InBox with a "Tagged" Subject: line ... > or you choose to "handle" suspected spam which then drops it into > your "Held" folder Neither of these fits the word "Blocks" ???? > >> I have listed all my domains on my whitelist but that only part solves >> the >> problem as I still get substansial amounts blocked > > Posting the "Rejection" notice might explain the "blocked" issue, > especially the part where you say that it's SpamCop that's doing > the blocking. > > From jeffg at spamcop.net Sat Feb 11 09:45:00 2006 From: jeffg at spamcop.net (Jeff G.) Date: Sat Feb 11 09:55:21 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: My own mail is being blocked References: Message-ID: Brian wrote: > Over the last week I have been having a great deal of trouble with > mail forwarded to my spamcop account from my domains being blocked by > spamcop. > > I have listed all my domains on my whitelist but that only part > solves the problem as I still get substansial amounts blocked > > Anyone any ideas why this should be so and what I can do to remedy. The X-SpamCop Headers should tell you why those messages were Held. If you have trouble interpreting them, please post them or a Tracking URL which leads to them. -- Thanks and Best Regards, Jeff G. http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?act=findpost&pid=37585 From jmch_27 at REMOOVyahoo.com Sun Feb 12 02:41:36 2006 From: jmch_27 at REMOOVyahoo.com (JMcH) Date: Sun Feb 12 02:45:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] getting no email from spamcop Message-ID: Have not received any messages in Inbox or Held Mail for last three days. I have used spam cop for over two years. From jmch_27 at REMOOVyahoo.com Sun Feb 12 03:27:26 2006 From: jmch_27 at REMOOVyahoo.com (JMcH) Date: Sun Feb 12 03:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] test Message-ID: can't get post to appear From jmch_27 at REMOOVyahoo.com Sun Feb 12 09:31:25 2006 From: jmch_27 at REMOOVyahoo.com (JMcH) Date: Sun Feb 12 09:35:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] no e-mail from Spamcop Message-ID: I have been using Spamcop for over two years and have not had any problems. I am not receiving messages in Inbox or Held mail for the past three days. I also use Outlook Express and mail is in my ISP's Pop server. Apparently when Spamcop pops my server it isn't getting the messages. I am not getting any indication from spamcop that it is having a problem. I had my ISP check their POP server and I am able to send and receive with OE. How can I get in touch with support for Spamcop? From Kilgallen at SpamCop.net Sun Feb 12 09:22:31 2006 From: Kilgallen at SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Date: Sun Feb 12 10:25:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: no e-mail from Spamcop References: Message-ID: In article , "JMcH" writes: > I have been using Spamcop for over two years and have not had any problems. > I am not receiving messages in Inbox or Held mail for the past three days. I > also use Outlook Express and mail is in my ISP's Pop server. Apparently when > Spamcop pops my server it isn't getting the messages. I am not getting any > indication from spamcop that it is having a problem. I had my ISP check > their POP server and I am able to send and receive with OE. How can I get > in touch with support for Spamcop? http://mail.spamcop.net/contact.php From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sun Feb 12 11:16:59 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Sun Feb 12 12:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: getting no email from spamcop References: Message-ID: "JMcH" wrote in message news:dsmorh$22b$1@news.spamcop.net... > Have not received any messages in Inbox or Held Mail for last three days. I > have used spam cop for over two years. The only traffic even remotely close to "no e-mail" was posted this morning at http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=5953 I'm not even sure that's it's actually related, but JT has been contacted on this. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sun Feb 12 12:20:00 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Sun Feb 12 13:25:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: getting no email from spamcop References: Message-ID: "WazoO" wrote in message news:dsnqid$ig5$1@news.spamcop.net... > "JMcH" wrote in message > news:dsmorh$22b$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Have not received any messages in Inbox or Held Mail for last three days. > I > > have used spam cop for over two years. > > The only traffic even remotely close to "no e-mail" was > posted this morning at > http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=5953 > I'm not even sure that's it's actually related, but JT has > been contacted on this. And reply just received; -=-=-=-=- Yes internal address is fine and normal. It is not responding though which is not ok. ETR on this is less than one hour. Jeff -=-=-=-=- From jmch_27 at REMOOVyahoo.com Sun Feb 12 15:54:23 2006 From: jmch_27 at REMOOVyahoo.com (JMcH) Date: Sun Feb 12 15:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: getting no email from spamcop References: Message-ID: "WazoO" wrote in message news:dsnu8j$kan$1@news.spamcop.net... > "WazoO" wrote in message > news:dsnqid$ig5$1@news.spamcop.net... >> "JMcH" wrote in message >> news:dsmorh$22b$1@news.spamcop.net... >> > Have not received any messages in Inbox or Held Mail for last three > days. >> I >> > have used spam cop for over two years. >> >> The only traffic even remotely close to "no e-mail" was >> posted this morning at >> http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=5953 >> I'm not even sure that's it's actually related, but JT has >> been contacted on this. > > And reply just received; > -=-=-=-=- > Yes internal address is fine and normal. It is not responding though which > is not ok. ETR on this is less than one hour. > > Jeff > -=-=-=-=- > > **************** You say not responding which is not ok. Jeff I assume you are connected with spamcop and you are looking into this.I sent a mesage to http://mail.spamcop.net/contact.php which Larry Kilgallen gave me. Hoping this gets resolved...Thanks Jeff From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon Feb 13 12:31:36 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Patto) Date: Sun Feb 12 22:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Does SC mail block any attachments? Message-ID: I need to find out if my company's mail server blocks any outgoing messages with certain attachments. In order to test this, I need to send to a mail server that does not block anything. Does SC block anything completely, or should I see any messages either in my Inbox, or in the Held Items queue? From jeffg at spamcop.net Sun Feb 12 22:38:05 2006 From: jeffg at spamcop.net (Jeff G.) Date: Sun Feb 12 22:40:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Does SC mail block any attachments? References: Message-ID: Patto wrote: > I need to find out if my company's mail server blocks any outgoing > messages with certain attachments. In order to test this, I need to > send to a mail server that does not block anything. Does SC block > anything completely, or should I see any messages either in my Inbox, > or in the Held Items queue? You may have issues with attachments over 2MB or containing viruses or worms, but other attachments should be handled fine. -- Best Regards, Jeff G. http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?act=findpost&pid=37585 From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sun Feb 12 23:38:44 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (WazoO) Date: Mon Feb 13 00:40:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: getting no email from spamcop References: Message-ID: "JMcH" wrote in message news:dso7a7$p5k$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "WazoO" wrote in message > news:dsnu8j$kan$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > And reply just received; > > -=-=-=-=- > > Yes internal address is fine and normal. It is not responding though which > > is not ok. ETR on this is less than one hour. > > > > Jeff > > You say not responding which is not ok. Jeff I assume you are connected > with spamcop and you are looking into this.I sent a mesage to > http://mail.spamcop.net/contact.php which Larry Kilgallen gave me. Hoping > this gets resolved...Thanks Jeff Section 8 - SpamCop's System & Active Staff http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?act=faq&article=13 From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon Feb 13 18:04:00 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Patto) Date: Mon Feb 13 04:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: Does SC mail block any attachments? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jeff G. wrote: > Patto wrote: >> I need to find out if my company's mail server blocks any outgoing >> messages with certain attachments. In order to test this, I need to >> send to a mail server that does not block anything. Does SC block >> anything completely, or should I see any messages either in my Inbox, >> or in the Held Items queue? > > You may have issues with attachments over 2MB or containing viruses or > worms, but other attachments should be handled fine. Thanks, that's what I needed to know. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Feb 16 15:41:23 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Thu Feb 16 15:45:17 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Maint Window 2/16/06 Message-ID: Maintenance Window February 16, 2006 8 PM PST -0800 The will be a maintenance window, starting at 8 PM PST -0800 and lasting under an hour, to make some infrastructure changes. This will affect the reporting system only. The email system will continue to operate normally. After the maintenance completes you may notice some delays in processing as the system works thru the backlog. Thanks for your patience. Ellen SpamCop f/ups to spamcop Please propagate to the forums. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Feb 21 16:04:18 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ellen) Date: Tue Feb 21 16:15:20 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] System maintenance window, Feb 21, 2006 Message-ID: System Maintenance Window, Tuesday Feb 21, 2006, 5PM PST -0800 There will be a maintenance window today, Feb 21 starting at 5PM PST. It should last for approximately an hour. This affects the reporting system only. The email system will continue to operate as usual. After the completetion of the maintenance you may notice some delays as the system works through the backlog. Thank you for your patience. -- Ellen SpamCop Pls propagate to the forums. From jeffg at spamcop.net Tue Feb 21 19:01:22 2006 From: jeffg at spamcop.net (Jeff G.) Date: Tue Feb 21 19:15:17 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: System maintenance window, Feb 21, 2006 References: Message-ID: "Ellen" wrote in message news:dtfvkp$jdi$1@news.spamcop.net... > System Maintenance Window, Tuesday Feb 21, 2006, 5PM PST -0800 In other terms, that's Tuesday Feb 21, 2006, 17:00 PST -0800 or Tuesday Feb 21, 2006, 20:00 EST -0500 or Wednesday Feb 22, 2006, 01:00 UTC -0000. > Pls propagate to the forums. Done. From jeffg at spamcop.net Fri Feb 24 14:29:56 2006 From: jeffg at spamcop.net (Jeff G.) Date: Fri Feb 24 14:30:14 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: mail.spamcop.net server certificate expired? References: Message-ID: Anonymous wrote: > I went to http://www.spamcop.net/ , > then "Learn More" ( http://www.spamcop.net/ces/individuals.shtml ), > then "Sign up for SpamCop Email" ( > http://www.spamcop.net/ces/account_new.shtml ), > then clicked on "submit", then on "paypal click here to pay," > > It then told me that mail.spamcop.net had a certificate that expired > on 2/18/2006, > (today is 2/24/2006). The actual link is https://mail.spamcop.net/paycomplete.php . I have notified JT. -- Best Regards, Jeff G. http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?act=findpost&pid=37585 From jeffg at spamcop.net Fri Feb 24 15:06:26 2006 From: jeffg at spamcop.net (Jeff G.) Date: Fri Feb 24 15:10:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Mail] Re: mail.spamcop.net server certificate expired? References: Message-ID: Jeff G. wrote: > Anonymous wrote: >> I went to http://www.spamcop.net/ , >> then "Learn More" ( http://www.spamcop.net/ces/individuals.shtml ), >> then "Sign up for SpamCop Email" ( >> http://www.spamcop.net/ces/account_new.shtml ), >> then clicked on "submit", then on "paypal click here to pay," >> >> It then told me that mail.spamcop.net had a certificate that expired >> on 2/18/2006, >> (today is 2/24/2006). > > The actual link is https://mail.spamcop.net/paycomplete.php . I have > notified JT. JT fixed the problem. Thanks for the notification, please try again. -- Best Regards, Jeff G. http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?act=findpost&pid=37585