From johnl at spamcop.net Fri Apr 1 00:50:15 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Thu Mar 31 19:55:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What a wonderful weekend......(long saga) References: Message-ID: "Heidz" wrote in news:d2i4cj$sp8$1@news.spamcop.net: > > "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message > news:Xns962ABB47C51AETheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... >> >> Sigh. And none of the men even congratulated me, or anything! >> What's up with that??? > > They're either jealous or they don't believe you either.....hmmm > And why congratulate? For "slimming" something down? Isn't it better to "beef" it up? Hmmm? From agent01413 at my-deja.com Fri Apr 1 01:25:21 2005 From: agent01413 at my-deja.com (Socks the Whitehouse Cat) Date: Thu Mar 31 20:30:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Terri Schiavo is dead References: Message-ID: "HeyBub" wrote in news:d2h8d3$d6c$1@news.spamcop.net: > The federal courts will be exposed to new scrutiny for flagrantly > disregarding the will of Congress. How did they disregard the will of congress? the will of congress as expressed in the bill was that the federal courts look at the case and determine if her rights were protected. They did, decided they were by 15 different state courts, and dismissed the case. If someone on death row got that many bites of the apple, it would be called abuse of process. -- "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna, date unknown From johnl at spamcop.net Fri Apr 1 02:36:45 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Thu Mar 31 21:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What a wonderful weekend......(long saga) References: Message-ID: Charles <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:Xns962AD26EBB922TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: > Well, that's part of it, dude. In fact, you need to slim things down > in order to beef them up. It's all about uniformity, or the lack > thereof. Of course, ambient humidity is a pretty big player, too. Well, you can bring your tools up here then. I'm getting ready to build new kitchen cabinets in the next month or so and any help is good. :) From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Apr 1 08:10:18 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Apr 1 08:15:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Terri Schiavo is dead References: Message-ID: "Pete Stephenson" wrote in message news:pete+usenet-584D8A.22420231032005@news.cesmail.net... | In article , | "Frog Prince" wrote: | | > and what good do you think that would do? for how long has the far right | > maintained the Constitution guarantees only legal representation not | > competent legal representation. | | *scratches head* | | I don't think it's just a "far right" thing -- it's common sense. | | I have no misconceptions that the Public Defender is a great lawyer. | Likely he's some green guy fresh out of law school who's just starting | his career. Competent vs. incompetent as in a drunkard or under the influence of drugs. In more then a few instances the public defender was a friend of the presiding judge and often had more clients than could be represented in the time available. Common occurrence in Texas and far too common in death penalty cases. When these issues were brought forward questioning a fair trial the right low and order groups which often included the religious right would repeat the chant about both requiring only representation not qualified representation along with the limits to the number of bites at the apple etc. In some jurisdictions the public defender is any lawyer licensed by the state bar that must take cases in rotation. I've seen tax lawyers forced to defend complicated murder cases without an clue and the controversy that ensued when they tried to refuse based on lack of qualification. From agent01413 at my-deja.com Fri Apr 1 13:15:29 2005 From: agent01413 at my-deja.com (Socks the Whitehouse Cat) Date: Fri Apr 1 08:20:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Terri Schiavo is dead References: Message-ID: "HeyBub" wrote in news:d2ideo$1se$1@news.spamcop.net: > Socks the Whitehouse Cat wrote: >> "HeyBub" wrote in >> news:d2h8d3$d6c$1@news.spamcop.net: >> >>> The federal courts will be exposed to new scrutiny for flagrantly >>> disregarding the will of Congress. >> >> How did they disregard the will of congress? the will of congress as >> expressed in the bill was that the federal courts look at the case >> and determine if her rights were protected. They did, decided they >> were by 15 different state courts, and dismissed the case. >> >> If someone on death row got that many bites of the apple, it would be >> called abuse of process. > > Congress specifically and emphatically directed the federal district > court to examine the case "de novo" - from the beginning and without > regard for what had gone on before. The district court refused to do > so. > > Had it been me, I would have claimed "ineffectiveness of counsel" at > the original trial. > > Findlaw has every document in the case from the looks of it. We don't have to debate this in a vacuum. Consider first two key elements of the Congressional Act: "Nothing in this Act shall be construed to create substantive rights not otherwise secured by the Constitution and laws of the United States or of the several States." "Nothing in this Act shall affect the rights of any person under the Patient Self-Determination Act of 1990." Those provisions kind of limit what the federal courts can consider de novo. The key battle was the one decided by the court's denial of a TRO reinserting the tube. The sole issue of serious dispute there was on the question of a likelihood that her parents would prevail, not withstanding the Congressional language specifically stating that the law did not create any new substantive rights amd not withstanding the specific intent of Congress not to trump the Patient Self-Determination Act. Neither we, nor the judge, can decide the case based on what we wish Congress had done. He could only rule on the basis of the law as written, in combination with the powers granted to him, the states, and the Congress, under the constitution. And the basis of his action is the pleadings filed by the parties to the case. I should note I have a special personal interest in the case. I start a treatment next week designed to delay death. The median life expectancy of someone starting this treatment in my stage of my illness is 5.7 months. There is a possibility that I may move to Florida to die in the interest of stretching out my life a bit, because breathing at sea level is easier than breathing in Denver. But at the time I slip into unconsciousness with no hope of coming back out, I have no interest in the Florida or federal government interceding on behalf of my mother if it turns out that she is at odds with the rest of my family, including my wife, and my own wishes, as expressed in my living will, that I be allowed to die peacefully when the time comes without any herculean and meaningless efforts to prolong my unconscious life. The idea that the legislatures and the courts could step in to delay my leaving, after the feds carefully passed a bankruptcy law that would destroy my wife financially if they force me to linger, gives me a great personal interest in this case. It isn't just a hypothetical usenet debate with no real meaning to the participants, not to me. So what did the judge say, based on his instructions from the Congress? I suggest that you start by reading the opinion. The court is limited to considering the arguments advanced by the plaintiffs, and the arguments advanced by the plaintiffs were solely that the state courts had violated her rights. Therefor, he had to consider the actions of Judge Greer amd the other judges and whether they would be able to show any violations of her due process rights at any stage of the state court proceedings. The Schindlers recognized this. Their TRO application in the federal court was based solely on 5 alleged violations of due process in the state court. I am not going to repeat them here, or repeat the judge's findings on them. Read them for yourself. It's only a 13 page decision and easy to follow. Suffice it to say that the Schindlers offered no new arguments to be considered de novo. http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/schiavo/32205fjord.pdf Judge Whittmore decided not to be an activist judge, going beyond the law as written and the pleadings filed by the parties. And at evey step of the appeal, the other federal courts agreed with him, as they should. The attempt of the Congress to turn this into a political football, while temporarily successful, ultimately failed. The rest of us can now breathe a sigh of relief that a run away Congress won't play games with the ends of our lives. -- "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna, date unknown From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Apr 1 06:08:31 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Apr 1 09:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Terri Schiavo is dead References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns962AB9D438B17TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > But then, she was NEVER aware, at least, not for the past 15 years, or > so... (Of course, complete and total IDIOTS - yes, you Sarah - believe the > contrary. But that's because they have no critical faculties. Whatever.) Of course and I'm sure the autopsy will prove that beyond any doubt whatsoever (except to the flat-earthers like the aforementioned who are a bit weak in the brain department themselves). And is Tom De Lay smoking crack or what? The guy is a total nutcase. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4399555.stm From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Apr 1 06:11:33 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Apr 1 09:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Terri Schiavo is dead References: Message-ID: "Miss Betsy" wrote in message news:d2i5tp$tkr$1@news.spamcop.net... > So I don't find it strange that she should die soon after her > parents left. Judging from the old woman's story, it was probably > a relief for her not to be held in a useless body any longer by the > prayers of her parents. But who knows? In this case, I really doubt she could have been aware of anything at all. The previous cases you mentioned at least presumably had functioning brains. She did not. Now if you want to say that her 'soul' was hanging around and aware of what was going on... well that's impossible to prove and perhaps wishful thinking From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Apr 1 06:23:57 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Apr 1 09:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Terri Schiavo is dead References: Message-ID: "Socks the Whitehouse Cat" wrote in message news:Xns962B3FA353990agent01413MYDEJACOM@216.154.195.61... > I should note I have a special personal interest in the case. I start a > treatment next week designed to delay death. The median life expectancy > of someone starting this treatment in my stage of my illness is 5.7 > months. There is a possibility that I may move to Florida to die in the > interest of stretching out my life a bit, because breathing at sea level > is easier than breathing in Denver. But at the time I slip into > unconsciousness with no hope of coming back out, I have no interest in > the Florida or federal government interceding on behalf of my mother if > it turns out that she is at odds with the rest of my family, including > my wife, and my own wishes, as expressed in my living will, that I be > allowed to die peacefully when the time comes without any herculean and > meaningless efforts to prolong my unconscious life. The idea that the > legislatures and the courts could step in to delay my leaving, after the > feds carefully passed a bankruptcy law that would destroy my wife > financially if they force me to linger, gives me a great personal > interest in this case. It isn't just a hypothetical usenet debate with > no real meaning to the participants, not to me. It had occurred to me to wonder if you had set up your own living will or not. Had you already done so before this whole circus began? I hope that you'll still be here 12 months hence but if that's not the case, that you are indeed allowed to die the way that you want to. In your case it may be slightly different in that you would wish for death and active intervention due to pain and suffering and of course that's a whole nother kettle of fish entirely. Presumably you will be conscious to the end and able to speak for yourself, unlike Mrs Schiavo, whose muteness seems to have been taken advantage of by everyone but her husband. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Apr 1 06:25:16 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Apr 1 09:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Schiavo parents to sell supporter list to direct marketers References: Message-ID: "J. Weaver Jr." wrote in message news:d2hsbs$oin$1@news.spamcop.net... > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > > in other words they are the very definition of hypocrite > > This is news? Nope. > > Hey, for all the bible-thumping in the service of saving Mrs. Schiavo, > for some reason no one's quoted this passage: > > "Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord For > the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the > church: and he is the saviour of the body." -JW heh, well quoted there... though I'm not so sure I want the Christian Right espousing those principles generally! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Apr 1 09:55:23 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Apr 1 10:00:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Terri Schiavo is dead References: Message-ID: "Socks the Whitehouse Cat" wrote in message news:Xns962B3FA353990agent01413MYDEJACOM@216.154.195.61... > I should note I have a special personal interest in the case. I start a > treatment next week designed to delay death. The median life expectancy > of someone starting this treatment in my stage of my illness is 5.7 > months. There is a possibility that I may move to Florida to die in the > interest of stretching out my life a bit, because breathing at sea level > is easier than breathing in Denver. But at the time I slip into > unconsciousness with no hope of coming back out, I have no interest in > the Florida or federal government interceding on behalf of my mother if > it turns out that she is at odds with the rest of my family, including > my wife, and my own wishes, as expressed in my living will, that I be > allowed to die peacefully when the time comes without any herculean and > meaningless efforts to prolong my unconscious life. The idea that the > legislatures and the courts could step in to delay my leaving, after the > feds carefully passed a bankruptcy law that would destroy my wife > financially if they force me to linger, gives me a great personal > interest in this case. It isn't just a hypothetical usenet debate with > no real meaning to the participants, not to me. Well good luck to you Socks, I hope that whatever time you have left is comfortable and peaceful, and here's hoping you beat the odds. You HAVE put your wishes in writing, that way no one has any right to change them, unlike Terri who only expressed them verbally and that's not worth anything, apparently. From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Apr 1 10:02:03 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Apr 1 10:05:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Terri Schiavo is dead References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:d2jkkv$lbc$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Of course and I'm sure the autopsy will prove that beyond any doubt > whatsoever (except to the flat-earthers like the aforementioned who are a > bit weak in the brain department themselves). And is Tom De Lay smoking > crack or what? The guy is a total nutcase. > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4399555.stm > We can only hope De Lay gets caught and charged with corruption and the 'out of control' judiciary makes mincemeat out of him. What an ass. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Apr 1 10:23:15 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Apr 1 10:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What a wonderful weekend......(long saga) References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: >> Yeah, and what else is one of the first things out of they're mouths >> when confronted with thrashing patients? SEDATATION!!! > > ooh that's a new one... is that like double sedation? ;o) I'll tell ya, I get no respect around here.......and I needed triple secret sedation anyway! :-P From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Apr 1 10:24:59 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Apr 1 10:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What a wonderful weekend......(long saga) References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:d2h9od$e0u$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> I actually opened my eyes all the way and took a good look at my >>> bathroom >> this morning, just HAD to clean and scrub it (5 days of >> ick).......and now I'm truly hungry......think I might chance some >> watered down Campbells Chickie noodle soup....... > > You can scrub your bathroom but you can't boil chicken????? Yes, I can collapse on the floor of the bathroom and scrub. No, I cannot walk thru a 75,000 sq ft. store looking for a piece of efffing chicken! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Apr 1 10:41:34 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Apr 1 10:45:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What a wonderful weekend......(long saga) References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d2jort$nfl$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Yes, I can collapse on the floor of the bathroom and scrub. No, I cannot > walk thru a 75,000 sq ft. store looking for a piece of efffing chicken! > What a weenie - it's not climbing Everest, it's a grocery store, the meat case is over there in the back, and I'm sure if you asked for help someone would be happy to get it for you. Who has been doing your grocery shopping for you all this time? From agent01413 at my-deja.com Fri Apr 1 16:34:55 2005 From: agent01413 at my-deja.com (Socks the Whitehouse Cat) Date: Fri Apr 1 11:35:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Terri Schiavo is dead References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in news:d2jlht$lt5$1@news.spamcop.net: > > "Socks the Whitehouse Cat" wrote in message > news:Xns962B3FA353990agent01413MYDEJACOM@216.154.195.61... > > I should note I have a special personal interest in the case. I > > start a >> treatment next week designed to delay death. The median life >> expectancy of someone starting this treatment in my stage of my >> illness is 5.7 months. There is a possibility that I may move to >> Florida to die in the interest of stretching out my life a bit, >> because breathing at sea level is easier than breathing in Denver. >> But at the time I slip into unconsciousness with no hope of coming >> back out, I have no interest in the Florida or federal government >> interceding on behalf of my mother if it turns out that she is at >> odds with the rest of my family, including my wife, and my own >> wishes, as expressed in my living will, that I be allowed to die >> peacefully when the time comes without any herculean and meaningless >> efforts to prolong my unconscious life. The idea that the >> legislatures and the courts could step in to delay my leaving, after >> the feds carefully passed a bankruptcy law that would destroy my wife >> financially if they force me to linger, gives me a great personal >> interest in this case. It isn't just a hypothetical usenet debate >> with no real meaning to the participants, not to me. > > It had occurred to me to wonder if you had set up your own living will > or not. Had you already done so before this whole circus began? I hope > that you'll still be here 12 months hence but if that's not the case, > that you are indeed allowed to die the way that you want to. In your > case it may be slightly different in that you would wish for death and > active intervention due to pain and suffering and of course that's a > whole nother kettle of fish entirely. Presumably you will be conscious > to the end and able to speak for yourself, unlike Mrs Schiavo, whose > muteness seems to have been taken advantage of by everyone but her > husband. > Colorado has something called "Five Wishes" which is legally enforcable. Both lawyers, the one who drafted my will and the only one who has ever represented me in a court case, have a copy. My minister has a copy. The doctors all have copies. Every family member who is potentially able to have a say in what happens has a copy. Median survival, at my stage with my treatment regimen, is 5.7 months. I get one more summer. -- "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna, date unknown From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Apr 1 11:09:28 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Apr 1 11:40:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What a wonderful weekend......(long saga) References: Message-ID: "indigo" | >>> I actually opened my eyes all the way and took a good look at my | >>> bathroom | >> this morning, just HAD to clean and scrub it (5 days of | >> ick).......and now I'm truly hungry......think I might chance some | >> watered down Campbells Chickie noodle soup....... | > | > You can scrub your bathroom but you can't boil chicken????? | | Yes, I can collapse on the floor of the bathroom and scrub. No, I cannot | walk thru a 75,000 sq ft. store looking for a piece of efffing chicken! | Go to the store at an off time and ask management for assistance. I've never been turned down. From heybub at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 11:50:30 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Fri Apr 1 12:55:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Terri Schiavo is dead References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > > Competent vs. incompetent as in a drunkard or under the influence of > drugs. In more then a few instances the public defender was a friend > of the presiding judge and often had more clients than could be > represented in the time available. Common occurrence in Texas and > far too common in death penalty cases. I'm in Texas. We do not have a "public defender" system. The judge appoints defense counsel for indigents from a pool of volunteers. In capital cases, the judge must appoint two attorneys, one of which must have had extensive experience in death-penalty cases. Fortunately, in Texas, such lawyers are not hard to find. > When these issues were > brought forward questioning a fair trial the right low and order > groups which often included the religious right would repeat the > chant about both requiring only representation not qualified > representation along with the limits to the number of bites at the > apple etc. Think about the concept: If one wants to exercise a Constitutional right, but is unable to do so because of poverty, should it be incumbent upon the government to provide the wherewithall? If the answer is "Yes," (as it is for legal representation), how about the right to "Keep and bear arms?" Shouldn't the government provide a gun for those who cannot afford one? > > In some jurisdictions the public defender is any lawyer licensed by > the state bar that must take cases in rotation. I've seen tax > lawyers forced to defend complicated murder cases without an clue and > the controversy that ensued when they tried to refuse based on lack > of qualification. I suggest you've seen no such thing. The Supreme Court ruled in, in believe, the 60's that defendants capital cases must be be represented by lawyers with significant experience in death penalty trials. There are unanswered questions remaining, however: 1. What is your specific objection to a provision of the Patriot Act being used to charge the laser guy? 2. What part of the Patriot Act involves anyone being held outside the country. If you've already answered these questions, I missed your answer and apologize for asking again. I'm beginning to suspect you've been told a number of things that are simply wrong. Someone is evidently playing a hideous practical joke on you. From heybub at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 12:00:57 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Fri Apr 1 13:05:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Terri Schiavo is dead References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message > news:Xns962AB9D438B17TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... >> But then, she was NEVER aware, at least, not for the past 15 years, >> or so... (Of course, complete and total IDIOTS - yes, you Sarah - >> believe the contrary. But that's because they have no critical >> faculties. Whatever.) > > Of course and I'm sure the autopsy will prove that beyond any doubt > whatsoever (except to the flat-earthers like the aforementioned who > are a bit weak in the brain department themselves). I, too, am interested in what the autopsy reveals. But it's only curiosity. In my view, Schiavo's mental capacity had no bearing on her case. While experts - at this stage - disagree on her cognitive abilities, these same experts are unanimous she was alive. > And is Tom De Lay > smoking crack or what? The guy is a total nutcase. > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4399555.stm Watch what you say! Tom DeLay is my congressman - or was until our recent redistricting. And, while I'm bereft at no longer being in his district, the fact that Texas picked up FIVE additional Republican House seats comforts me in my travails. And as for referencing a BRITISH news report on DeLay, well, all he seems to be saying is that he's going to take the judges to the woodshed. I would love to see some justices attempt to defend their rulings before a congressional committee. From siliconman at spamcop.net Fri Apr 1 13:16:02 2005 From: siliconman at spamcop.net (David Dean) Date: Fri Apr 1 13:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Terri Schiavo is dead References: Message-ID: In article , "Heidz" wrote: > *pokestopfeedingthevilepieceofshittrollpoke* Perhaps they didn't realize that JM morphed? From pete+usenet at heypete.com Fri Apr 1 11:19:45 2005 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Fri Apr 1 14:20:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Terri Schiavo is dead References: Message-ID: In article , Socks the Whitehouse Cat wrote: > Median survival, at my stage with my treatment regimen, is 5.7 months. > I get one more summer. Eek. I too am hoping for you to beat those odds. May your remaining time be comfortable, peaceful, and enjoyable. Good luck! -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Apr 1 14:06:27 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Apr 1 14:30:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Terri Schiavo is dead References: Message-ID: "HeyBub" wrote in message news:d2k1l2$sch$1@news.spamcop.net... | Frog Prince wrote: | > | > Competent vs. incompetent as in a drunkard or under the influence of | > drugs. In more then a few instances the public defender was a friend | > of the presiding judge and often had more clients than could be | > represented in the time available. Common occurrence in Texas and | > far too common in death penalty cases. | | I'm in Texas. We do not have a "public defender" system. The judge appoints | defense counsel for indigents from a pool of volunteers. In capital cases, | the judge must appoint two attorneys, one of which must have had extensive | experience in death-penalty cases. Fortunately, in Texas, such lawyers are | not hard to find. | I did business in Texas from the early 70's and lived there for over ten years. What you describe is the idea the hard facts are otherwise including the incidents of back room appointments. I don;t have access the Dallas Morning News or Houston Chon archives but the problem has had wide exposure | > When these issues were | > brought forward questioning a fair trial the right low and order | > groups which often included the religious right would repeat the | > chant about both requiring only representation not qualified | > representation along with the limits to the number of bites at the | > apple etc. | | Think about the concept: If one wants to exercise a Constitutional right, | but is unable to do so because of poverty, should it be incumbent upon the | government to provide the wherewithall? If the answer is "Yes," (as it is | for legal representation), how about the right to "Keep and bear arms?" | Shouldn't the government provide a gun for those who cannot afford one? Not the same principle and you know it so burn the straw man defense. | > In some jurisdictions the public defender is any lawyer licensed by | > the state bar that must take cases in rotation. I've seen tax | > lawyers forced to defend complicated murder cases without an clue and | > the controversy that ensued when they tried to refuse based on lack | > of qualification. | | I suggest you've seen no such thing. The Supreme Court ruled in, in believe, | the 60's that defendants capital cases must be represented by lawyers | with significant experience in death penalty trials. Cases in Louisiana, Mississippi and Texas more recently than that belie your assertion. Including one denied clemency by GWB as governor that was later proven to be innocent. | There are unanswered questions remaining, however: | 1. What is your specific objection to a provision of the Patriot Act being | used to charge the laser guy? | 2. What part of the Patriot Act involves anyone being held outside the | country. | | If you've already answered these questions, I missed your answer and | apologize for asking again. | | I'm beginning to suspect you've been told a number of things that are simply | wrong. Someone is evidently playing a hideous practical joke on you. Interesting aside a vastly SIMILAR low intensity laser employed in this incident is currently promoted by the military and civilian SAR including the FAA as necessary tools for signaling to/from down aircraft and others in distress. None of the above chances the fact that the PA is abuse of power and is a bad law re: civil rights From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Apr 1 14:11:57 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Apr 1 14:30:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Terri Schiavo is dead References: Message-ID: "HeyBub" | >> But then, she was NEVER aware, at least, not for the past 15 years, | >> or so... (Of course, complete and total IDIOTS - yes, you Sarah - | >> believe the contrary. But that's because they have no critical | >> faculties. Whatever.) | > | > Of course and I'm sure the autopsy will prove that beyond any doubt | > whatsoever (except to the flat-earthers like the aforementioned who | > are a bit weak in the brain department themselves). | | I, too, am interested in what the autopsy reveals. But it's only curiosity. | In my view, Schiavo's mental capacity had no bearing on her case. While | experts - at this stage - disagree on her cognitive abilities, these same | experts are unanimous she was alive. | | > And is Tom De Lay | > smoking crack or what? The guy is a total nutcase. | > | > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4399555.stm | | Watch what you say! Tom DeLay is my congressman - or was until our recent | redistricting. And, while I'm bereft at no longer being in his district, the | fact that Texas picked up FIVE additional Republican House seats comforts me | in my travails. | | And as for referencing a BRITISH news report on DeLay, well, all he seems to | be saying is that he's going to take the judges to the woodshed. I would | love to see some justices attempt to defend their rulings before a | congressional committee. Yes you are very correct the pick up of seats is one of the problems DeLay has with the Travis Co. DA. (A democrat that nails politicians of both parties regardless to the extent that there are as many Texas Democrats as Texas Republicans that wish him gone) As to defending their rulings before a Congressional committed that's something Delay is good at ... nailing people for doing what they are required to do under the law which another poster pointed out. From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Apr 1 11:32:29 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Apr 1 14:35:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Ping Pete Message-ID: Mossberg 12ga pump-action, $200. Good deal? From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Apr 1 15:02:20 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Apr 1 15:00:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What a wonderful weekend......(long saga) References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:d2jort$nfl$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> Yes, I can collapse on the floor of the bathroom and scrub. No, I >> cannot walk thru a 75,000 sq ft. store looking for a piece of >> efffing chicken! >> > What a weenie - it's not climbing Everest, it's a grocery store, the > meat case is over there in the back, and I'm sure if you asked for > help someone would be happy to get it for you. Who has been doing > your grocery shopping for you all this time? Who needs groceries when your body rejects every attempt at nourishment? I couldn't even keep friggin' WATER down! Anyway, just got my blood test results, I'm clean.....it was "just" food poisoning.....now Socks, about that lawyer? From heybub at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 19:06:47 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Fri Apr 1 20:10:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Finally, Bush get credit Message-ID: "[T]he president has not discovered a cure for cancer. But there is a pathology, a historical pathology, that he has attacked with unprecedented vigor and with unprecedented success. I refer, of course, to the political culture of the Middle East, which the president may actually have changed. And he has accomplished this genuinely momentous transformation in ways that virtually the entire foreign affairs clerisy--the cold-blooded Brent Scowcroft realist Republicans and almost all the Democrats--never thought possible. [...] "It has been heartening, in recent months, to watch some Democratic senators searching for ways out of the politics of churlishness. ... One need only be a thoughtful American with an interest in proliferating liberalism around the world. And, if liberals are unwilling to proliferate liberalism, then conservatives will. Rarely has there been a sweeter irony." From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Apr 1 20:19:54 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Fri Apr 1 20:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Terri Schiavo is dead References: Message-ID: > Median survival, at my stage with my treatment regimen, is 5.7 months. > I get one more summer. If anyone has a right to an opinion in this case, it is you. I would hope that I would face death 'yelling Geronomino', but one never knows what one will do until one is faced with it. It is all very well to say that I would not do this or that, but 20-20 foresight is a lot different than 20-20 in-your-face sight. Miss Betsy From heybub at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 19:32:29 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Fri Apr 1 20:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Terri Schiavo is dead References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: >> >> I'm in Texas. We do not have a "public defender" system. The judge >> appoints defense counsel for indigents from a pool of volunteers. In >> capital cases, the judge must appoint two attorneys, one of which >> must have had extensive experience in death-penalty cases. >> Fortunately, in Texas, such lawyers are not hard to find. >> > > I did business in Texas from the early 70's and lived there for over > ten years. What you describe is the idea the hard facts are > otherwise including the incidents of back room appointments. I don;t > have access the Dallas Morning News or Houston Chon archives but the > problem has had wide exposure Oh, I grant that appointments generally go to lawyers known to the judge. But how is that a problem? The judge takes into account the experience of the prospective defender: new lawyers (or those known to be laggards) get the loitering cases, the more experienced or able get the armed robberies. I've had a few of those appointments myself (as the lawyer, not the defendant!). >>> In some jurisdictions the public defender is any lawyer licensed by >>> the state bar that must take cases in rotation. I've seen tax >>> lawyers forced to defend complicated murder cases without an clue >>> and the controversy that ensued when they tried to refuse based on >>> lack >>> of qualification. >> >> I suggest you've seen no such thing. The Supreme Court ruled in, in >> believe, the 60's that defendants capital cases must be represented >> by lawyers with significant experience in death penalty trials. > > Cases in Louisiana, Mississippi and Texas more recently than that > belie your assertion. Including one denied clemency by GWB as > governor that was later proven to be innocent. I can't find any such cases. I did find a 1979 resolution from the ABA on appointing effective counsel to which all local bar associations are to harken. If you know of a recent case where the ultimate decision turned on ineffectiveness of counsel, I'd like to hear of it. A lawyer may be both competent and ineffective. Johnnie Cochran and Alan Dershowitz have both lost cases due to ineffective defenses, but an ineffective defense may simply be a trial tactic gone bad. Did the case in which GWB "denied clemency" - and the ultimate finding of not guilty - hinge on ineffectiveness of counsel? Further, in Texas, the governor is limited to ONE thirty-day stay of execution. Contrary to your belief, the governor of Texas cannot grant "clemency" on his own initative. Once again, you've been told something that simply cannot be true. > >> There are unanswered questions remaining, however: >> 1. What is your specific objection to a provision of the Patriot Act >> being used to charge the laser guy? >> 2. What part of the Patriot Act involves anyone being held outside >> the country. >> >> If you've already answered these questions, I missed your answer and >> apologize for asking again. >> >> I'm beginning to suspect you've been told a number of things that >> are simply wrong. Someone is evidently playing a hideous practical >> joke on you. > > Interesting aside a vastly SIMILAR low intensity laser employed in > this incident is currently promoted by the military and civilian SAR > including the FAA as necessary tools for signaling to/from down > aircraft and others in distress. > > None of the above chances the fact that the PA is abuse of power and > is a bad law re: civil rights There are still unanswered questions. 1. You asserted it was a hideous miscarriage of justice to charge the laser guy under provisions of the Patriot Act. I continue to ask how you reach that conclusion. 2. You claimed there is a provision of the PA that allow suspects to be "disappeared" to a foreign country. I ask again: What provision? I'm REALLY starting to believe somebody is playing with your head and has filled it with all manner of insane thoughts. Do you have a lot of money to which someone near to you would get access if you were committed to a rubber room? Don't listen to those voices - check it out for yourself. From heybub at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 19:47:53 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Fri Apr 1 20:50:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Terri Schiavo is dead References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: >> >> Watch what you say! Tom DeLay is my congressman - or was until our >> recent redistricting. And, while I'm bereft at no longer being in >> his district, the fact that Texas picked up FIVE additional >> Republican House seats comforts me in my travails. >> >> And as for referencing a BRITISH news report on DeLay, well, all he >> seems to be saying is that he's going to take the judges to the >> woodshed. I would love to see some justices attempt to defend their >> rulings before a congressional committee. > > Yes you are very correct the pick up of seats is one of the problems > DeLay has with the Travis Co. DA. (A democrat that nails politicians > of both parties regardless to the extent that there are as many Texas > Democrats as Texas Republicans that wish him gone) Slight amplification: The pickup of seats of which the Austin DA complains is the pickup in the TEXAS House of Representatives. It was THIS increase - helped by DeLay - that led to Republican control of the Texas Legislature, which, in turn, led to the redistricting of congressional boundaries. You may remember the kerfuffle. The Democrat Senators decamped to Oklahoma (temporarily raising the IQ of both states). Later, Democrat House members ran away to New Mexico, where they were re-provisioned by their collegues from Colorado with car-loads (I'm not making this up) of beer and peaches. These recalcitrant legislators were sanctioned by the rest of the legislature. The AWOL Democrats had their state-owned cell phones cut off and their close-in parking places at the capitol re-assigned. Faced with a choice of horrendous penalties or depth of conviction, they chose cell phones and returned to their duties. As for nailing politicians of both parties: Ronnie Earle (the Austin District Attorney) has prosecuted and convicted corrupt Democrats. The closest he's come (so far) to finding a corrupt Republican was his indictment of Kay Bailey Hutchinson in 1993 for beating up the daughter of John Connally. After jury selection in the case, Earle said "just kidding" and declined to continue the case. > > As to defending their rulings before a Congressional committed that's > something Delay is good at ... nailing people for doing what they are > required to do under the law which another poster pointed out. Agreed. From mele at enia.net Fri Apr 1 22:44:26 2005 From: mele at enia.net (Melvin C. Etheridge) Date: Fri Apr 1 22:45:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ping Pete References: Message-ID: $159 Wallyworld "Borgholio" wrote in message news:d2k7jc$vve$1@news.spamcop.net... > Mossberg 12ga pump-action, $200. Good deal? From skiwi at spamcop.net Fri Apr 1 21:29:23 2005 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (Skiwi) Date: Sat Apr 2 00:30:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ping Pete In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Melvin C. Etheridge wrote: > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:d2k7jc$vve$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>Mossberg 12ga pump-action, $200. Good deal? > > $159 Wallyworld > mossberg pump: $159 at Wallyworld hacksaw: $3.76 at WallMart stealing enough money to move up to a double wide: priceless From pete+usenet at heypete.com Fri Apr 1 21:41:29 2005 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Sat Apr 2 00:45:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ping Pete References: Message-ID: In article , Borgholio wrote: > Mossberg 12ga pump-action, $200. Good deal? *nods* What's the model? Picture? I paid about double that. Curse you, expensive gun shops! I refuse to shop at Wal-Mart, but I hate being taken for a ride by the local FFLs. One of these days I should open a gun shop that provides good deals, great customer service, etc. Of course, a business like that would promptly go bankrupt, so I'd need to be independently wealthy or have an additional source of income. :) -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From hee.haw at jack.ass Sat Apr 2 03:59:05 2005 From: hee.haw at jack.ass (DC) Date: Sat Apr 2 04:00:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Springtime Skeeters Message-ID: The weather is still chilly but the Mosquitoes appear to be hungry. Desperately searching for my RaidŽ plug-in module. Dunno where it went to but plugging a RaidŽ mat into a GladeŽ plug-in module seems to be working a bit... -- Interactive Glamour Girls Videos http://www.cafepress.com/dwacon.19483317 From hee.haw at jack.ass Sat Apr 2 03:59:35 2005 From: hee.haw at jack.ass (DC) Date: Sat Apr 2 04:00:16 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Paris Hilton Message-ID: Someone sent me this photo: http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg What do people see in this woman? -- It rubs the lotion on its skin... Or else it gets the hose again... www.dwacon.com From hee.haw at jack.ass Sat Apr 2 04:00:03 2005 From: hee.haw at jack.ass (DC) Date: Sat Apr 2 04:00:17 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] The Next Pope Message-ID: Time for another African Pope, say what? -- I made magic once. Now the sofa is gone. http://www.dwacon.com From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 05:27:22 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Sat Apr 2 05:25:16 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Terri Schiavo is dead References: Message-ID: HeyBub wrote: > There are still unanswered questions. > > 1. You asserted it was a hideous miscarriage of justice to charge the > laser guy under provisions of the Patriot Act. I continue to ask how > you reach that conclusion. Existing non-PA laws already on the books made what that yahoo did illegal -- the Justice Dept. explicitly stated it was using the PA to "throw the fear of God" into people in that incident. > > 2. You claimed there is a provision of the PA that allow suspects to > be "disappeared" to a foreign country. I ask again: What provision? Dunno offhand, something to do with declaring anyone they want with the charge of being an "enemy combatant" during a time of war. It's a fact that they're doing this for specific "persons of interest" to avoid the US court system. From borgholio at storymind.com Sat Apr 2 02:40:03 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sat Apr 2 05:40:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ping Pete In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Pete Stephenson wrote: > In article , > Borgholio wrote: > > >>Mossberg 12ga pump-action, $200. Good deal? > > > *nods* > > What's the model? Picture? > > I paid about double that. Curse you, expensive gun shops! > > I refuse to shop at Wal-Mart, but I hate being taken for a ride by the > local FFLs. One of these days I should open a gun shop that provides > good deals, great customer service, etc. Of course, a business like that > would promptly go bankrupt, so I'd need to be independently wealthy or > have an additional source of income. :) > Not sure what the model is, but it's a blued-steel / synthetic stock. Found it at a small local gun shop. I honestly find the smaller shops to be more comfortable than the large ones. I refuse to buy guns / ammo at Big 5 or Wal-Mart. From avoozl at spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 01:32:05 2005 From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Sat Apr 2 05:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Terri Schiavo is dead References: Message-ID: I wouldn't consider it impossible to prove.. but on the other hand.. the people that COULD potentially prove it most likely wouldn't want to be in the limelight. So, for all intents and purposes it may as well be. Chris "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:d2jkql$lha$1@news.spamcop.net... > > In this case, I really doubt she could have been aware of anything at all. > The previous cases you mentioned at least presumably had functioning > brains. > She did not. Now if you want to say that her 'soul' was hanging around and > aware of what was going on... well that's impossible to prove and perhaps > wishful thinking > > From devnull at spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 06:29:45 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Apr 2 06:35:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Fighting a kidney stone Message-ID: Fighting a kidney stone for a bit over a week. Meds and pain pills have kept it a draw but looks like me is losing this morning. Next general appointment is 14 days out. So unless things get critical and I go to the ER this weekend I'll be hammering the urologist for a work-in come Monday. FP From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:14 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 11:00:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 11:01:12 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 11:05:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What a wonderful weekend......(long saga) References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d2k942$12p$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Anyway, just got my blood test results, I'm clean.....it was "just" food > poisoning.....now Socks, about that lawyer? > That's some pretty intense food poisoning - does the doctor have any idea what kind? From turan.fe at web.de Sat Apr 2 18:37:34 2005 From: turan.fe at web.de (Turan Fettahoglu) Date: Sat Apr 2 11:40:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Fighting a kidney stone References: Message-ID: > Fighting a kidney stone for a bit over a week. Meds and pain pills have > kept it a draw but looks like me is losing this morning. I have had two kidney stones, ten years apart. In both cases I could flush them out by drinking, drinking and still more drinking. If this does not work inside a week, what about lithotripsy? It is not more painful than a decent spanking after taking painkillers. Good luck! Turan From turan.fe at web.de Sat Apr 2 18:40:10 2005 From: turan.fe at web.de (Turan Fettahoglu) Date: Sat Apr 2 11:45:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Next Pope References: Message-ID: > Time for another African Pope, say what? Not necessarily. I want a pope who is an expert in reforming something apparently unreformable and who has a high esteem worldwide, a man like Michael Gorbachev! Turan From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:14 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:05:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:14 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:05:17 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:14 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:05:18 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:14 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:05:19 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:14 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:05:20 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:14 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:10:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:14 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:10:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:14 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:10:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:14 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:10:15 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:14 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:10:17 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:14 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:10:19 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 17:10:45 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:10:20 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Terri Schiavo is dead References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" Now if you want to say that her 'soul' was hanging >> around and aware of what was going on... well that's impossible to >> prove and perhaps wishful thinking Chris F. Willoughby wrote: > I wouldn't consider it impossible to prove.. but on the other hand.. > the people that COULD potentially prove it most likely wouldn't want > to be in the limelight. So, for all intents and purposes it may as > well be. No one will ever convince me that my comatose mother was not *exactly* aware of when her last child showed up at her deathbed in the hospital -- she died 2-3 minutes later, after our pasteur said a prayer. She waited for us all to get there, that I know. Whether it was her soul watching, well......call it whatever you want......but no verbal "announcements" were made that so-and-so was finally here, so I don't really know how she could have known who was there and who wasn't......... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:13 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:10:22 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:13 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:10:23 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:13 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:10:24 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:13 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:10:26 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:13 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:10:27 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:13 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:10:29 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:13 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:10:30 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:13 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:10:32 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:13 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:10:33 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 17:13:52 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:10:34 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Fighting a kidney stone References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > Fighting a kidney stone for a bit over a week. Meds and pain pills > have kept it a draw but looks like me is losing this morning. Next > general appointment is 14 days out. So unless things get critical and > I go to the ER this weekend I'll be hammering the urologist for a > work-in come Monday. > > FP Sorry to hear that, FP. Hang in there. Hopefully you'll get better treatment than I did over the last week if'n ya have to go to the ER! (couldn't be much worse, to be honest.....). But hey, some good news at least -- I went to the range today and hit some golf balls without any adverse affect on my neck! Hurrah for small pleasures! ;-) Now as for my back muscles, that's a different story........ From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:13 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:15:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:13 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:15:17 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:13 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:15:20 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:12 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:15:23 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:12 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:15:26 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 17:16:07 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:15:29 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What a wonderful weekend......(long saga) References: Message-ID: Heidz wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:d2k942$12p$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> Anyway, just got my blood test results, I'm clean.....it was "just" >> food poisoning.....now Socks, about that lawyer? >> > That's some pretty intense food poisoning - does the doctor have any > idea what kind? Nope. He thinks it was so bad because my immune system (rather entire body) was kinda weak after from recovering from surgery. From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:12 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:15:33 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:12 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:15:34 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:12 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:15:36 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:12 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:15:37 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:12 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:15:39 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:12 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:15:41 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:12 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:15:42 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:12 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:15:44 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:11 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:15:45 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:11 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:15:47 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:11 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:15:49 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:11 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:15:50 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:11 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:15:52 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:11 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:15:54 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:16 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:15:56 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:16 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:15:58 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:16 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:15:59 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:16 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:16:01 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:16 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:16:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:16 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:16:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:16 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:16:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:16 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:16:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:16 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:16:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:16 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:16:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 10:57:16 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:16:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote in message news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... From johnl at spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 22:50:43 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Sat Apr 2 17:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What a wonderful weekend......(long saga) References: Message-ID: Charles <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:Xns962CB13053F32TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: > But, see, I -can't- bring my tools up there! I'd need someone else's > help just to get the pieces in the car (which would, then, be > overloaded). And how the hell would I pass customs (both ways)? Um, > officer, it's, uh, well, scrap metal, can't you see that? Ah, go on - > just try to life one of the guides.... Well ok then, I'll send you the plans, you cut all the pieces and bring that up with you. Or if you can't make it up, just send me the pieces, all cut and shaped of course. :) From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Sat Apr 2 23:54:05 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Sat Apr 2 18:00:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Next Pope References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns962CB0328DBF6TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Turan Fettahoglu" ! > >> I want a pope who is an expert in reforming something > > Like dirt? Hey, man, get yourself a pope on a rope and you're all set! > -- > Mean presidents suck Or, perhaps, let's just not have a Pope at all and re-distribute all the churches wealth to the poor........... From hee.haw at jack.ass Sat Apr 2 18:51:07 2005 From: hee.haw at jack.ass (DC) Date: Sat Apr 2 18:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Fighting a kidney stone References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:d2m00n$s3m$1@news.spamcop.net... > Fighting a kidney stone for a bit over a week. Meds and pain pills have > kept it a draw but looks like me is losing this morning. Next general > appointment is 14 days out. So unless things get critical and I go to the ER > this weekend I'll be hammering the urologist for a work-in come Monday. > > FP > > Yikes! I've had several, my last was 8mm (looked like a gray/silver/blue cashew) -- youch! Get GOOD drugs... -- Interactive Glamour Girls Videos http://www.cafepress.com/dwacon.19483317 From heybub at gmail.com Sat Apr 2 17:53:17 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Sat Apr 2 18:55:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Next Pope References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message > news:Xns962CB0328DBF6TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... >> No way it was me! It was "Turan Fettahoglu" ! >> >>> I want a pope who is an expert in reforming something >> >> Like dirt? Hey, man, get yourself a pope on a rope and you're all >> set! -- >> Mean presidents suck > > Or, perhaps, let's just not have a Pope at all and re-distribute all > the churches wealth to the poor........... A. It was the poor who gave it to the Church in the first place. B. Like all redistribution systems, in short order the original distribution will return. From heybub at gmail.com Sat Apr 2 17:56:31 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Sat Apr 2 19:00:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ping Pete References: Message-ID: Pete Stephenson wrote: > > I paid about double that. > > I refuse to shop at Wal-Mart, ... Heh. From devnull at spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 18:55:00 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Apr 2 19:00:19 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Fighting a kidney stone References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d2n56f$f4q$1@news.spamcop.net... | Frog Prince wrote: | > Fighting a kidney stone for a bit over a week. Meds and pain pills | > have kept it a draw but looks like me is losing this morning. Next | > general appointment is 14 days out. So unless things get critical and | > I go to the ER this weekend I'll be hammering the urologist for a | > work-in come Monday. | > | > FP | | Sorry to hear that, FP. Hang in there. Hopefully you'll get better treatment | than I did over the last week if'n ya have to go to the ER! (couldn't be | much worse, to be honest.....). The doc gave me some new pain meds, only caution I'm not to drive anything more complicated than the TV remote. Oh and I can't share. From heybub at gmail.com Sat Apr 2 18:05:29 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Sat Apr 2 19:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Terri Schiavo is dead References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > HeyBub wrote: >> There are still unanswered questions. >> >> 1. You asserted it was a hideous miscarriage of justice to charge the >> laser guy under provisions of the Patriot Act. I continue to ask how >> you reach that conclusion. > > > Existing non-PA laws already on the books made what that yahoo did > illegal -- the Justice Dept. explicitly stated it was using the PA to > "throw the fear of God" into people in that incident. Okay. Since deterence is a worthwhile goal, I can understand the motivation. After all, look what the Justice Department did to Sandy Berger. Surely anyone similarily inclined will be disuaded by the $10,000 fine and three-year revocation of his security clearance. > >> >> 2. You claimed there is a provision of the PA that allow suspects to >> be "disappeared" to a foreign country. I ask again: What provision? > > Dunno offhand, something to do with declaring anyone they want with > the charge of being an "enemy combatant" during a time of war. It's a > fact that they're doing this for specific "persons of interest" to > avoid the US court system. "Enemy combatant" or "Unlawful enemy combatant" are not part of the Patriot Act. This confusion is common, but UEC (unlawful enemy combatant) designations are not part of laws made by Congress. The ability to so designate by the president is inherent in his role as commander in chief and has nothing to do with the Patriot Act. From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Sat Apr 2 19:25:28 2005 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sat Apr 2 19:30:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Next Pope References: Message-ID: In article , "Porpoise" wrote: > Or, perhaps, let's just not have a Pope at all and re-distribute all the > churches wealth to the poor........... The RCC doesn't have all that much "wealth," and a lot of it is literally priceless: you wouldn't be able to sell it. How much do you think they'd get for St. Peter's Basilica, for example? There's not a big market for second-hand churches. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Sat Apr 2 19:30:51 2005 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Sat Apr 2 19:35:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: In article , "DC" wrote: > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? She's rich, and she's a slut, thus giving men everywhere hope that they too might one day score with a wealthy heiress. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From johnl at spamcop.net Sun Apr 3 01:38:52 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Sat Apr 2 20:40:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What a wonderful weekend......(long saga) References: Message-ID: Charles <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:Xns962CCC5546DA6TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: > > Getting closer to feasible. Still, customs will surely be a bear... > Nah, just don't use any "soft woods". From avoozl at spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 17:53:08 2005 From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Sat Apr 2 20:55:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Fighting a kidney stone References: Message-ID: Are they any different than gall stones? Chris "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:d2m00n$s3m$1@news.spamcop.net... > Fighting a kidney stone for a bit over a week. Meds and pain pills have > kept it a draw but looks like me is losing this morning. Next general > appointment is 14 days out. So unless things get critical and I go to the > ER > this weekend I'll be hammering the urologist for a work-in come Monday. > > FP > > From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 21:52:41 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Sat Apr 2 21:50:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Next Pope References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" wrote in message news:d2n83p$h9c$1@news.spamcop.net... > Or, perhaps, let's just not have a Pope at all and re-distribute all the > churches wealth to the poor........... You want to ship the Sistine Chapel to what museum? That's about it for wealth. Miss Betsy From johnl at spamcop.net Sun Apr 3 04:08:20 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Sat Apr 2 22:10:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What a wonderful weekend......(long saga) References: Message-ID: Charles <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:Xns962CD5302DF1ATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: > You're in luck. I mean, hey, I don't have any of those... This is a > bit problematic, of course. Uh, I was talking about the soft wood issue between Canada and the States. :) (Hope that's what _you_ were meaning also) From devnull at spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 22:54:38 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Apr 2 23:30:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Fighting a kidney stone References: Message-ID: "Chris F. Willoughby" | > Fighting a kidney stone for a bit over a week. | Are they any different than gall stones? Kidney stones form in the kidneym gall stones in the gall blater. From expategghead at gmail.com Sun Apr 3 11:34:08 2005 From: expategghead at gmail.com (ExpatEgghead) Date: Sun Apr 3 03:35:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Next Pope In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: DC wrote: > Time for another African Pope, say what? > > http://www.oddschecker.com/betting/mode/o/card/specials-politics/odds/124960x/sid/240720 Take your bets please... Adrian From skiwi at spamcop.net Sat Apr 2 23:50:16 2005 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (Skiwi) Date: Sun Apr 3 03:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Just went and saw "Sin City" on the big screen... Message-ID: ...wow, what a movie... just amazing, makes you remember 'Pulp Fiction' with singing von Trapp children.... Now I have to digest it and work out whether I liked it... From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Sun Apr 3 13:25:18 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Sun Apr 3 07:35:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Next Pope References: Message-ID: "Miss Betsy" wrote in message news:d2nlh6$oi3$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Porpoise" wrote in message > news:d2n83p$h9c$1@news.spamcop.net... > >> Or, perhaps, let's just not have a Pope at all and re-distribute > all the >> churches wealth to the poor........... > > You want to ship the Sistine Chapel to what museum? That's about > it for wealth. > > Miss Betsy > > I was thinking more about all the gold and jewels and money than bricks and mortar............. From turan.fe at web.de Sun Apr 3 15:29:59 2005 From: turan.fe at web.de (Turan Fettahoglu) Date: Sun Apr 3 08:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Next Pope References: Message-ID: > Like dirt? Hey, man, get yourself a pope on a rope and you're all set! Okay, the Catholic church might be hollow inside, but a reasonable Pope from this world might be more useful than a pope on a rope! Turan (agnostic) From turan.fe at web.de Sun Apr 3 15:35:49 2005 From: turan.fe at web.de (Turan Fettahoglu) Date: Sun Apr 3 08:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Fighting a kidney stone References: Message-ID: > The doc gave me some new pain meds, only caution I'm not to drive > anything more complicated than the TV remote. Does your tormentor move? If not: the week is over, get an appointment in hospital and have it shattered or pulled! Good luck! Turan From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sun Apr 3 08:47:22 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Sun Apr 3 08:45:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Next Pope References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" wrote in message news:d2ok4e$7h2$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Miss Betsy" wrote in message > news:d2nlh6$oi3$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > "Porpoise" wrote in message > > news:d2n83p$h9c$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > >> Or, perhaps, let's just not have a Pope at all and re-distribute > > all the > >> churches wealth to the poor........... > > > > You want to ship the Sistine Chapel to what museum? That's about > > it for wealth. > > I was thinking more about all the gold and jewels and money than bricks and > mortar............. Most of the gold and jewels are part of historic pieces, and there is no money. At least not in my parish (or the other parishes that I have lived in). I don't believe it is any different at the Diocesan level or at the Vatican. The bricks and mortar and land are where the wealth is and as Charles says, a used church is not usually very salable even if it were cheaper to rebuild another church to meet in. I once read about a jewel encrusted statue in Spain, IIRC. When someone dies, the family takes a piece of personal jewelry and adds it to the statue as a memorial. Others may think that this is ridiculous use of money, but there are many non-Catholics who spend enormous amounts on memorials. Many of the chalices and other gold pieces are also memorials. It would be like removing headstones because one could get a lot of money from selling them. Not all Catholics believe that the best art or the best whatever is an appropriate way of showing one's respect for God. At the other end of the spectrum are Mother Teresa's sisters who carry their belongings in a pail. The good thing about the Catholic Church is that both views are acceptable because the Church recognizes that people have different ways of expressing reverence. Few modern building committees would pay a skilled artisan to carve decorations in stone pillars where they wouldn't be seen because the whole building is for the glory of God and God sees everywhere. They might, if it didn't slow down the schedule, let him do it as a donation. Yet the medieval artisans who carved for the great cathedrals are held up as models of how we are to use our gifts and talents for the glory of God. OTOH, the modern building committees would not refuse the gift of a parishioner who thought that some part of the building should use the 'best' to show reverence for God (like oaken pews rather than pine). Although I tend toward simple, I still enjoy the beautiful, non-practical that others have felt are necessary. It does celebrate the glory of God. On a practical note, Catholic Charities has an international reputation for prompt, non-corrupt aid with very low administrative to aid costs - of course, their budget is in the millions. Miss Betsy From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Apr 3 13:23:37 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Apr 3 12:30:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Fighting a kidney stone References: Message-ID: "Turan Fettahoglu" | > The doc gave me some new pain meds, only caution I'm not to drive | > anything more complicated than the TV remote. | | Does your tormentor move? If not: the week is over, get an appointment in | hospital and have it shattered or pulled! | Yes. That's one of the reasons for the pain meds. Actually I'm a bit lucky in that there are new meds that stop the spasms and allow the tubes to dilate ergo in theory allowing the stone to pass without the need for surgical intervention. I'm to call for an office visit/evaluation on Monday if it does not pass soon then they'll do something to get it out. From johnl at spamcop.net Sun Apr 3 18:12:36 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Sun Apr 3 13:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What a wonderful weekend......(long saga) References: Message-ID: Charles <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:Xns962D43D57CACDTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: > Not really. I was thinking about how I got most of my wood as mill > ends - from a hardwood mill. So, yeah, I've got a lot of wood but the > dimensions vary greatly and you have to predrill before screwing > pieces together. You also have to consider that whatever you make is > going to be much heavier than it would have been... Sounds like you have a good deal going there. And with the planer, you can get everything to fit properly. Now I'm jealous! :P From heybub at gmail.com Sun Apr 3 13:48:21 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Sun Apr 3 13:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Next Pope References: Message-ID: DC wrote: > Time for another African Pope, say what? Another? And let's be realistic. The Church needs an American. Somebody like William F. Buckley, Jr. or Pat Buchanan. Read a neat book once: "The Vicar of Christ." The main character, Declan Walsh, had a facinating career path: War hero (Marine, Medal of Honor in Korea, etc.), Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, Monk, Pope, dead Pope. After a dust-up in Spain in which two priests were killed, Pope Francesco (Walsh's new name), summoned the Spanish Ambassador and, after some formalities said: "We take this as a direct challenge to the Church, a challenge made clear by cold-blooded murder, personally directed by two members of your government. We are not appeased by your mendacious explanation or your offer to apologize in private and pay an indemnity." "Your Eminence," Francesco nodded to LaTorre [Vatican Secretary of State], "we would appreciate it if your office would prepare for us a decree excommunicating every policeman and government official who participated in or cooperated with the planning or execution of the murders. We want the minister of justice and the minster of security specifically named. Moreover, we want that decree to appear as an appendix to a brief encyclical expressing grave concern over conditions in Spain, and expressly disassociating the Church from a government that appears to be following the path of Hitler. We shall also state that unless within seven days all persons responsible for the attack on the priests - and again we want the two ministers mentioned named - have not been properly punished, we shall dissolve the oath of allegiance taken by any Catholic to this government. In addition, we shall declare excommunicate any Catholic who continues to work for the current regime as a civilian, a policeman, or member of the military. Furthermore, we shall say that if within six weeks this government or any member of it is still in Spain - except in jail - we shall lay an intereict on the country. No Masses may be said, no babies baptized, no marriages performed, no confessions head, no communion distributed, and the interdict will remain until this government is destroyed." "You've done fucked with the wrong Marine, son!" Actually, Francesco didn't say that last. But he didn't have to. Point is, the Church can be a powerful and positive force for good - as it was in large measure under JP2. Further, there are about as many Catholics as there are Muslims and the Catholics have a single leader. I often point out to Baptists who express some disdain for Catholicism that there are more Catholics in Mexico City than Baptists who have ever lived. Aside: I'm not Catholic but I have visited St Peter's. Do not miss any opportunity to see this great and inspiring edifice. It will literally stun you with its beauty and expressions of piety. From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Apr 3 16:03:02 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Sun Apr 3 15:00:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Fighting a kidney stone References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:d2nbk3$j3t$1@news.spamcop.net... > > The doc gave me some new pain meds, only caution I'm not to drive > anything more complicated than the TV remote. Oh and I can't share. > > Don't need anything right now, so I won't beg ;-) I still have a few dilaudid leftover from my bout with food poisoning anyway...... From pete+usenet at heypete.com Sun Apr 3 14:55:45 2005 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Sun Apr 3 17:00:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ping Pete References: Message-ID: In article , Borgholio wrote: > Not sure what the model is, but it's a blued-steel / synthetic stock. Found > it at a small local gun shop. I honestly find the smaller shops to be more > comfortable than the large ones. I refuse to buy guns / ammo at Big 5 or > Wal-Mart. Does it look anything like this: ? That particular model is the Mossberg 500 "Cruiser/Pursuader". It holds 7+1 rounds of 2 3/4" 12ga rounds. I think it holds 6+1 of 3" shells, but I'm not sure -- I don't shoot 3". Mossberg makes very similar shotguns, but with smaller magazines, mainly for bird hunting and for people who don't want to deal with the slightly heavier weight. I've had no problem with it, and if I go bird hunting I can put a wooden dowel into the front end of the magazine tube so to restrict the number of shells it can hold to whatever the legal limit it. And yes, that's my friend Kim. She looks damned good. :) Other pictures: http://www.heypete.com/pete/pictures/shooting/kim/5Feb2005/100_0234.jpg http://www.heypete.com/pete/pictures/shooting/kim/5Feb2005/100_0235.jpg http://www.heypete.com/pete/pictures/shooting/kim/5Feb2005/100_0237.jpg http://www.heypete.com/pete/pictures/shooting/kim/5Feb2005/100_0240.jpg Oh, in the range pictures, we only winged the "hostage" with one or two pellets in the arm, even after a dozen rounds or so. Still, a shotgun would be a very, very inappropriate weapon in that case. :-P -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From turan.fe at web.de Sun Apr 3 23:57:56 2005 From: turan.fe at web.de (Turan Fettahoglu) Date: Sun Apr 3 17:00:15 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Next Pope References: Message-ID: > The Church needs an American. Somebody like William F. Buckley, Jr. or Pat > Buchanan. Please, please not another Conservative, wherever he may come from! Turan From nobody at spamcop.net Sun Apr 3 15:17:08 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (RMUH) Date: Sun Apr 3 17:20:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: DC wrote: > Someone sent me this photo: > > http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg > > What do people see in this woman? > Have we finally seen too darn much of Paris Hilton? -- Tony Electric http://dotznize.com/electric The Reticulan Museum Of Unnatural History http://ouchouch.com/fancy.html From johnl at spamcop.net Sun Apr 3 22:48:43 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Sun Apr 3 17:50:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What a wonderful weekend......(long saga) References: Message-ID: Charles <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:Xns962DB2882B56ATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: > Oof! But I don't think that was the point. I think the point was > that I was manly enough, or something... Oh, Ok. Now that you've shown that you can handles your tool(s), I guess you're manly enough, or something. From heybub at gmail.com Sun Apr 3 21:02:59 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Sun Apr 3 21:05:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Next Pope References: Message-ID: Turan Fettahoglu wrote: >> The Church needs an American. Somebody like William F. Buckley, Jr. >> or Pat Buchanan. > > Please, please not another Conservative, wherever he may come from! > > Turan The College of Cardinals could elevate Gene Robinson to the papacy.... "Episcopal Bishop Gene Robinson, the first openly homosexual bishop of his denomination, has angered traditionalist Anglicans by suggesting that Jesus Christ might have been homosexual." http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43618 From johnl at spamcop.net Mon Apr 4 02:50:03 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Sun Apr 3 21:55:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What a wonderful weekend......(long saga) References: Message-ID: Charles <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:Xns962DD112A2EF5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: > Way. Totally. Now, let me tell you about my job... Did you get that new one???? From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Sun Apr 3 21:57:04 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Sun Apr 3 21:55:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Next Pope References: Message-ID: "HeyBub" wrote in message news:d2q3ns$vj6$1@news.spamcop.net... > Turan Fettahoglu wrote: > >> The Church needs an American. Somebody like William F. Buckley, Jr. > >> or Pat Buchanan. > > > > Please, please not another Conservative, wherever he may come from! > The College of Cardinals could elevate Gene Robinson to the papacy.... > > "Episcopal Bishop Gene Robinson, the first openly homosexual bishop of his > denomination, has angered traditionalist Anglicans by suggesting that Jesus > Christ might have been homosexual." I don't know whether the rules have changed or not, but it once was possible to be elected pope without being already ordained. However, I doubt very much if the Cardinals will leave tradition very much. It was difficult enough to elect JPII who was the first non-Italian pope in centuries. They may even revert to another Italian rather than African Cardinal. I am not up on Vatican politics at the moment, but I know that there are many more conservatives in the Church than there used to be. Miss Betsy From bcs1 at spamcop.net Sun Apr 3 23:25:08 2005 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bill) Date: Sun Apr 3 22:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "Heidz" wrote in message news:d2n5g9$fi1$7@news.spamcop.net... > "DC" wrote in message > news:d2lmtj$not$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Someone sent me this photo: >> >> http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg >> >> What do people see in this woman? > > Well, if you enlarge the picture, you pretty much see everything..... Flooder LOL From bcs1 at spamcop.net Sun Apr 3 23:26:30 2005 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bill) Date: Sun Apr 3 22:25:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paris Hilton References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-66B05D.19305102042005@news.cesmail.net... > In article , "DC" > wrote: > >> Someone sent me this photo: >> >> http://www.totallycrap.com/media/parisoops.jpg >> >> What do people see in this woman? > > She's rich, and she's a slut, thus giving men everywhere hope that they > too might one day score with a wealthy heiress. > -- > D.F. Manno > dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com > "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream > will never die." Hi D.F. I for one ain't too impressed by her anyway ehh go figure... Bill From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Apr 3 23:30:51 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Apr 3 22:40:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Fighting a kidney stone References: Message-ID: "Technomage Hawke" wrote in message news:d2pc5n$io4$2@news.spamcop.net... | Frog Prince wrote: | | > Fighting a kidney stone for a bit over a week. Meds and pain pills have | > kept it a draw but looks like me is losing this morning. Next general | > appointment is 14 days out. So unless things get critical and I go to the | > ER this weekend I'll be hammering the urologist for a work-in come Monday. | > | > FP | I had 2 of those (one in each kidney). painful as hell. | right now, I am fighting a third (reformed stone in right kidney). I've | found that drinking heavy amounts of cranberry juice will tend to help | dissolve things a bit (also cuts down on chances of kidney/urinary tract | infections).... | | best advice: stay away from soda!!!! Ask your doc about DOXAZOSIN (I'm on 2 mg once a day) It's some sort of anti-spasmodic and also dilates the urinary track. According to my info it's about 80% effective in allowing the stone to pass without intervention. Stuff is cheap ~ $10 for a thirty day supply. Only side effect is you have to be careful how fast you stand up for the first few days. By definition all kidney stones cause infections. My do has me on CEPHALEXIN 3 per day until the bottle is gone. I'd recommend you use a urinary strainer ($2 at the drug store) to catch the stone for the doc to analyses. Stones are not all the same and some diet change may effect the formation. BTW the cranberry juice is a good recommendation but should be a long term approach. From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Apr 3 23:31:47 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Apr 3 22:40:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Next Pope References: Message-ID: "Turan Fettahoglu" wrote in message news:d2plch$o0p$1@news.spamcop.net... | > The Church needs an American. Somebody like William F. Buckley, Jr. or Pat | > Buchanan. | | Please, please not another Conservative, wherever he may come from! | Crawford? From heybub at gmail.com Sun Apr 3 23:06:45 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Sun Apr 3 23:10:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Next Pope References: Message-ID: Miss Betsy wrote: > "HeyBub" wrote in message > news:d2q3ns$vj6$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Turan Fettahoglu wrote: >>>> The Church needs an American. Somebody like William F. Buckley, Jr. >>>> or Pat Buchanan. >>> >>> Please, please not another Conservative, wherever he may come > from! >> The College of Cardinals could elevate Gene Robinson to the >> papacy.... >> >> "Episcopal Bishop Gene Robinson, the first openly homosexual bishop >> of his denomination, has angered traditionalist Anglicans by >> suggesting that Jesus Christ might have been homosexual." > > I don't know whether the rules have changed or not, but it once was > possible to be elected pope without being already ordained. Robinson IS ordained. And a bishop. The US Epispocal church is part of the Apostolic Succession and is in communion with the Holy See. > > However, I doubt very much if the Cardinals will leave tradition > very much. It was difficult enough to elect JPII who was the first > non-Italian pope in centuries. They may even revert to another > Italian rather than African Cardinal. I am not up on Vatican > politics at the moment, but I know that there are many more > conservatives in the Church than there used to be. There are, I think, 117 Cardinals eligible to vote. Pope JP2 appointed all but three of them. Kinda like the president and federal judges - the philosophy lives on after the master departs. If those mackrel-snappers know what's good for 'em, the next Pope will be an American. Why else would Bush attend the Pope's funeral (the first American president to do so)? So let's be realistic, here. I know Bill Clinton is a Baptist, but if he could convert to "End welfare as we know it," he could certainly accept Catholicism if the price was right... From heybub at gmail.com Sun Apr 3 23:23:56 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Sun Apr 3 23:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Another Schiavo Poll Message-ID: "If a disabled person is not terminally ill, not in a coma, and not being kept alive on life support, and they have no written directive, should or should they not be denied food and water," the poll asked. "A whopping 79 percent said the patient should not have food and water taken away while just 9 percent said yes. " Roughly 80% of Americans said Terry should NOT have been starved to death. Contrast this with ABC's poll that showed 63% of Americans felt the reverse. Latest poll: http://www.zogby.com/Soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=11131 From avoozl at spamcop.net Sun Apr 3 22:48:16 2005 From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Mon Apr 4 00:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Fighting a kidney stone References: Message-ID: Yes, I know that much. What I meant is that is there any difference beyond that? Chris "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:d2nr7q$r4s$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Chris F. Willoughby" > > | > Fighting a kidney stone for a bit over a week. > > | Are they any different than gall stones? > > > Kidney stones form in the kidneym gall stones in the gall blater. > > From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Mon Apr 4 03:28:03 2005 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Mon Apr 4 02:30:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Next Pope References: Message-ID: In article , "Miss Betsy" wrote: > I don't know whether the rules have changed or not, but it once was > possible to be elected pope without being already ordained. Yes, any Catholic male is eligible for election. > However, I doubt very much if the Cardinals will leave tradition > very much. It was difficult enough to elect JPII who was the first > non-Italian pope in centuries. They may even revert to another > Italian rather than African Cardinal. I am not up on Vatican > politics at the moment, but I know that there are many more > conservatives in the Church than there used to be. Most--if not all--of whom were given their red hats by JPII. I don't think the Italian/non-Italian thing will be much of a factor this time around (except among the Italian cardinals, of course). Given that the only areas where the RCC is growing are Latin America and Africa, a serious candidate from one of those areas will be hard to beat. Of course, anything can happen in a conclave. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon Apr 4 08:05:22 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Mon Apr 4 08:05:15 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Another Schiavo Poll References: Message-ID: "HeyBub" wrote in message news:d2qc04$3oi$1@news.spamcop.net... > "If a disabled person is not terminally ill, not in a coma, and not being > kept alive on life support, and they have no written directive, should or > should they not be denied food and water," the poll asked. > > "A whopping 79 percent said the patient should not have food and water taken > away while just 9 percent said yes. " > > Roughly 80% of Americans said Terry should NOT have been starved to death. Life support to me means feeding tubes. And I know that some people are living because they have feeding tubes, but they are able to speak for themselves whether they want to continue using them if they aren't in a coma (and some people without feeding tubes will quit eating when they are ready to die). If they aren't capable of speaking for themselves, then the spouse, or if no spouse, other relatives, can speak for them - with or without written permission. In other cases, where there is possibility of recovery, the medical opinion should be given more weight. Though, if a person is capable, s/he can refuse treatment - there are some cancer patients who refuse chemotherapy because the odds are the treatment will not work, though most do choose to suffer through it. The point being that it is up to the individual to decide when life support is necessary simply to sustain life, not as a bandage to promote healing. There is no one who can make that decision except the individual and in the case of the individual not being capable of making that decision, the relative closest should be able to make it. Those are the people who are going to live with the decision. In cases of controversy, as this one, the courts will define the relative closest. Miss Betsy From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Mon Apr 4 11:02:46 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon Apr 4 10:05:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Can I get an 'amen'? Message-ID: http://www.santamariatimes.com/articles/2005/04/04/sections/opinion/040405a.txt DeLay also said he would make sure the GOP-controlled House of Representatives "will look at an arrogant and out-of-control judiciary that thumbs its nose at Congress and the president." Does he mean right-wing Republicans and the Bush administration intend to change the balance of the three branches of government, a principle upon which this nation was founded and has been governed for more than two centuries? Perhaps DeLay doesn't understand the concept of the judicial branch having the responsibility to administer the law, without regard for the political whims of the party in power. DeLay is probably the last person who should preach about ethics. His ethical lapses have been well-documented, and if anyone should be impeached, it's probably this Texas Republican. He epitomizes what is wrong with politics in this country. From borgholio at storymind.com Mon Apr 4 12:03:18 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Mon Apr 4 14:05:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ping Pete In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Pete Stephenson wrote: > In article , > Borgholio wrote: > > >>Not sure what the model is, but it's a blued-steel / synthetic stock. Found >>it at a small local gun shop. I honestly find the smaller shops to be more >>comfortable than the large ones. I refuse to buy guns / ammo at Big 5 or >>Wal-Mart. > > > Does it look anything like this: > > ? > > That particular model is the Mossberg 500 "Cruiser/Pursuader". It holds > 7+1 rounds of 2 3/4" 12ga rounds. I think it holds 6+1 of 3" shells, but > I'm not sure -- I don't shoot 3". > > Mossberg makes very similar shotguns, but with smaller magazines, mainly > for bird hunting and for people who don't want to deal with the slightly > heavier weight. I've had no problem with it, and if I go bird hunting I > can put a wooden dowel into the front end of the magazine tube so to > restrict the number of shells it can hold to whatever the legal limit it. > > And yes, that's my friend Kim. She looks damned good. :) > > Other pictures: > http://www.heypete.com/pete/pictures/shooting/kim/5Feb2005/100_0234.jpg > http://www.heypete.com/pete/pictures/shooting/kim/5Feb2005/100_0235.jpg > http://www.heypete.com/pete/pictures/shooting/kim/5Feb2005/100_0237.jpg > http://www.heypete.com/pete/pictures/shooting/kim/5Feb2005/100_0240.jpg > > Oh, in the range pictures, we only winged the "hostage" with one or two > pellets in the arm, even after a dozen rounds or so. Still, a shotgun > would be a very, very inappropriate weapon in that case. :-P > Yeah that looks like the puppy. Very solid gun, could easily be used as a club, should it run out of ammo. Your friend is cute too. :) From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Apr 4 15:11:51 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Apr 4 14:20:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Fighting a kidney stone References: Message-ID: "Chris F. Willoughby" wrote in message news:d2qguf$605$1@news.spamcop.net... | > | > Fighting a kidney stone for a bit over a week. | > | > | Are they any different than gall stones? | > | > | > Kidney stones form in the kidney gall stones in the gall bladder. | > | Yes, I know that much. What I meant is that is there any difference beyond | that? Well first you can pass a kidney stone without medical intervention .... Second I've not been plagued with gall stones... Third, I don't want one Yep #3 is sufficient but then I didn't want the kidney stone either From pete+usenet at heypete.com Mon Apr 4 12:43:06 2005 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Mon Apr 4 14:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ping Pete References: Message-ID: In article , Borgholio wrote: > Yeah that looks like the puppy. Very solid gun, could easily be used as a > club, should it run out of ammo. Your friend is cute too. :) Just for reference, Mossberg receivers are made out of aluminum while Remington receivers are made out of steel. Doesn't really make much of a difference, as bonking a Bad Guy over the head with a shotgun is usually an act of last resort (i.e. out of ammo) and you'd be unlikely to need to shoot the shotgun in the immediate future. Also, I've never heard of anyone successfully using their shotgun (or any firearm) as a club to defend themselves. Given that, I certainly haven't heard of anyone damaging the aluminum receiver of a Mossberg shotgun by bonking people with it. Indeed, the military uses Mossberg shotguns and they deal with remarkably rugged use. I love my Mossberg -- the action is crisp (Kim "pumps with authority"[1]), it fits comfortably (for a tactical/defense shotgun, not sure about trap/skeet, but I don't shoot clays yet), and has an ambidextrous safety (useful as I'm left-handed). The pump-release lever is also easily reached by both lefties and righties alike. I like the ergonomics a bit better than Remington or Winchester shotguns. Kim gets quite a few looks at the range. Most of them are of the ogling type. She finds it incredibly amusing. Her boyfriend, an Arizona state trooper, bought her a Walther P99 for Valentines Day. Why can't I get a girl who buys me guns as gifts? :-) [1] Respect my authori-tay! -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From avoozl at spamcop.net Mon Apr 4 18:40:18 2005 From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Mon Apr 4 20:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Can I get an 'amen'? References: Message-ID: That depends on who you ask.. I know someone who swears the judical branch has too much power and our checks and balances have failed because they can make the decision on who lives and who dies. Chris "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:d2rhdr$lil$1@news.spamcop.net... > http://www.santamariatimes.com/articles/2005/04/04/sections/opinion/040405a.txt > DeLay also said he would make sure the GOP-controlled House of > Representatives "will > look at an arrogant and out-of-control judiciary that thumbs its nose at > Congress and > the president." > > Does he mean right-wing Republicans and the Bush administration intend to > change the > balance of the three branches of government, a principle upon which this > nation was > founded and has been governed for more than two centuries? Perhaps DeLay > doesn't > understand the concept of the judicial branch having the responsibility to > administer > the law, without regard for the political whims of the party in power. > > DeLay is probably the last person who should preach about ethics. His > ethical lapses > have been well-documented, and if anyone should be impeached, it's > probably this > Texas Republican. He epitomizes what is wrong with politics in this > country. > > From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Apr 5 10:46:14 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Apr 5 09:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ping Pete References: Message-ID: Pete Stephenson wrote: > And yes, that's my friend Kim. She looks damned good. :) > I agree ;-) > Other pictures: > http://www.heypete.com/pete/pictures/shooting/kim/5Feb2005/100_0237.jpg Whoa! What's wrong with this picture?!?! > http://www.heypete.com/pete/pictures/shooting/kim/5Feb2005/100_0240.jpg > Ah, ok then. Make sure you practice safe shooting! From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Apr 5 10:49:10 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Apr 5 09:45:15 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Another Schiavo Poll References: Message-ID: HeyBub wrote: > "If a disabled person is not terminally ill, not in a coma, and not > being kept alive on life support, and they have no written directive, > should or should they not be denied food and water," the poll asked. > > "A whopping 79 percent said the patient should not have food and > water taken away while just 9 percent said yes. " > > Roughly 80% of Americans said Terry should NOT have been starved to > death. Uh, hey dummy -- forget to read this part? "If a disabled person is not terminally ill, not in a coma ^^^^^^^^^^^ From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Apr 5 10:50:15 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Apr 5 09:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Can I get an 'amen'? References: Message-ID: Chris F. Willoughby wrote: > That depends on who you ask.. I know someone who swears the judical > branch has too much power and our checks and balances have failed > because they can make the decision on who lives and who dies. Unless you happen to be a "foreign enemy combatant", of course........... From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Apr 5 11:17:02 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Apr 5 10:25:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Can I get an 'amen'? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d2u4q0$13g$1@news.spamcop.net... | Chris F. Willoughby wrote: | > That depends on who you ask.. I know someone who swears the judicial | > branch has too much power and our checks and balances have failed | > because they can make the decision on who lives and who dies. | | Unless you happen to be a "foreign enemy combatant", of course........... Or the recipient of medical care under our current HMO/medical insurance provider system. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Apr 5 12:21:13 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (LadySarah) Date: Tue Apr 5 11:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Can I get an 'amen'? References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:d2u6sd$2c6$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "indigo" wrote in message > news:d2u4q0$13g$1@news.spamcop.net... > | Chris F. Willoughby wrote: > | > That depends on who you ask.. I know someone who swears the judicial > | > branch has too much power and our checks and balances have failed > | > because they can make the decision on who lives and who dies. > | > | Unless you happen to be a "foreign enemy combatant", of > course........... > > Or the recipient of medical care under our current HMO/medical insurance > provider system. > What does the HMO have to do with the legislative or judicial branch of government? Do you mean the judge can order your life support be pulled faster if you are on an HMO rather than on other private insurance? If that is the case I think you might be right. -- LadySarah From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Apr 5 16:40:24 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Apr 5 15:45:14 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Can I get an 'amen'? References: Message-ID: "LadySarah" | > | Chris F. Willoughby wrote: | > | > That depends on who you ask.. I know someone who swears the judicial | > | > branch has too much power and our checks and balances have failed | > | > because they can make the decision on who lives and who dies. | > | | > | Unless you happen to be a "foreign enemy combatant", of | > course........... | > | > Or the recipient of medical care under our current HMO/medical insurance | > provider system. | > | | | What does the HMO have to do with the legislative or judicial branch of | government? Do you mean the judge can order your life support be pulled | faster if you are on an HMO rather than on other private insurance? If | that is the case I think you might be right. | It's called tort reform by one sector. Under ERISA and other state laws the insurance companies are shielded from all liability over the cost of the denied procedure. HINT these actions have been documented as resulting in DEATH by denial of service for the insured. From heybub at gmail.com Tue Apr 5 20:22:25 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Tue Apr 5 20:25:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Can I get an 'amen'? References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > http://www.santamariatimes.com/articles/2005/04/04/sections/opinion/040405a.txt > DeLay also said he would make sure the GOP-controlled House of > Representatives "will look at an arrogant and out-of-control > judiciary that thumbs its nose at Congress and the president." Okay. > > Does he mean right-wing Republicans and the Bush administration > intend to change the balance of the three branches of government, a > principle upon which this nation was founded and has been governed > for more than two centuries? We certainly hope so. Although not a federal court, the Massachusetts Supreme Court (clever bunch, they) found the principle of gay marriage in that state's constitution, hidden away by Sameul Adams 240 years ago! > Perhaps DeLay doesn't understand the > concept of the judicial branch having the responsibility to > administer the law, without regard for the political whims of the > party in power. Well actually the courts don't "administer" the law in the strictest sense - they interpret it. As Andrew Jackson said: "The Pope? How many divisions does he have?" Oops. That was Stalin! But Jackson said something similar - just a minute..... Ah, yes. "John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it!" And, of course, the Marshall couldn't. So a whole bunch of Cherokees were marched from Georgia to Bataan, er, Oklahoma. Many were attrited on the trip. > > DeLay is probably the last person who should preach about ethics. His > ethical lapses have been well-documented, and if anyone should be > impeached, it's probably this Texas Republican. He epitomizes what is > wrong with politics in this country. I wouldn't go that far - there are lots of others higher on the rapscallion list than DeLay. Heck, DeLay's not even a lawyer! From heybub at gmail.com Tue Apr 5 20:25:37 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Tue Apr 5 20:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Another Schiavo Poll References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > HeyBub wrote: >> "If a disabled person is not terminally ill, not in a coma, and not >> being kept alive on life support, and they have no written directive, >> should or should they not be denied food and water," the poll asked. >> >> "A whopping 79 percent said the patient should not have food and >> water taken away while just 9 percent said yes. " >> >> Roughly 80% of Americans said Terry should NOT have been starved to >> death. > > Uh, hey dummy -- forget to read this part? "If a disabled person is > not terminally ill, > not in a coma > ^^^^^^^^^^^ Uh, no, I read that part. Did someone tell you Schiavo was in a coma? If so, it would be prudent, in future, to disregard everything that person tells you. They're probably Communists. From heybub at gmail.com Tue Apr 5 20:35:21 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Tue Apr 5 20:40:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Can I get an 'amen'? References: Message-ID: HeyBub wrote: On the other hand: "NYT PAGE ONE LEAD, WEDNESDAY, NEWSROOM SOURCES TELL DRUDGE: Ethical questions surrounding House Majority Leader Rep. Tom DeLay of Texas intensify... Developing..." Still, that left-wing Matt Drudge reporting something the even-more left-wing NYT has manufactured.... Well, we'll just wait and see... From avoozl at spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 04:09:06 2005 From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Wed Apr 6 06:10:15 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Can I get an 'amen'? References: Message-ID: I never said I agreed with them. Just trying to be the devil's advocate, so to speak. :) "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns962F41726B51ATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > I know people who swear alot, too. And? What the person you are > paraphrasing is saying is that we should just throw out the Constitution. > Well, he's not the first conservative to say so! Might as well point out > that fascism is a VERY conservative movement that is strongly supported by > the church... > "Tutto nello Stato, niente al di fuori dello Stato, nulla contro lo > Stato." > (Of course, that's Italian fascism and I was thinking more along the lines > of Spanish fascism, but whatever.) > Still, this little phrase does apply to what you are writing. I'll > paraphrase it for you: "We want to change the way that government works so > that everyone has to act in accordance with our wishes." Hmm. Why, > that's > not changing the cute little Mussolini phrase at all... > -- > Mean presidents suck From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:19 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 09:15:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:23 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 09:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:19:50 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 09:20:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What a wonderful weekend......(long saga) References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns96305CEB97DC1TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > No. But today is the big day. Woo hoo. Big day for what???? From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 14:47:04 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (LadySarah) Date: Wed Apr 6 13:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Can I get an 'amen'? References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:d2uppd$cd3$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "LadySarah" > | What does the HMO have to do with the legislative or judicial branch of > | government? Do you mean the judge can order your life support be pulled > | faster if you are on an HMO rather than on other private insurance? If > | that is the case I think you might be right. > | > > It's called tort reform by one sector. Under ERISA and other state laws > the > insurance companies are shielded from all liability over the cost of the > denied procedure. HINT these actions have been documented as resulting in > DEATH by denial of service for the insured. > So are you suggesting that a medical facility must continue treatment in all cases even if the patient cannot pay for extraordinary treatment? Or if the family wishes are to not maintain extraordinary treatment? Tort Reform is to reign in a sue happy society who benefits less than the lawyers who convince them to bring the suit in the first place. There must be caps on medical malpractice. Doctors are leaving the state of Ohio in droves since to date there is no cap on medical malpractice. Torte reform in not limited to medical malpractice. LadySarah From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:23 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:00:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:23 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:00:35 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:23 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:00:43 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:23 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:00:47 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:23 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:00:49 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:23 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:00:52 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:23 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:00:54 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:23 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:00:56 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:23 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:00:59 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:23 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:01:01 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:22 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:01:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:22 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:01:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:22 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:01:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:22 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:01:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:22 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:01:14 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:22 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:01:17 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:22 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:01:20 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:22 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:01:22 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:22 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:01:25 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:22 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:01:28 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:22 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:01:30 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:22 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:01:33 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:22 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:01:35 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:21 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:01:38 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:21 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:01:41 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:21 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:01:43 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:21 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:01:46 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:21 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:01:49 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:21 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:01:52 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:21 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:01:55 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:21 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:01:57 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:21 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:02:00 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:21 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:02:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:21 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:02:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:05:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:05:14 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:05:19 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:05:22 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:05:25 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:24 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:05:28 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:24 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:05:31 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:24 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:05:34 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:24 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:05:37 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:24 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:05:39 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:25 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:05:42 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:25 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:05:45 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:25 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:05:48 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:25 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:05:50 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:25 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:05:53 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:25 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:05:56 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:19 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:05:59 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:19 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:06:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:19 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:06:16 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:19 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:06:20 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:19 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:06:23 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:19 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:06:26 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:19 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:06:29 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:19 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:06:33 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:19 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:06:36 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:19 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:06:42 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:19 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:06:45 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:18 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:06:48 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:18 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:06:52 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:18 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:06:55 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:18 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:06:58 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:18 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:07:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:18 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:07:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:18 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:07:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:18 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:07:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:18 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:07:16 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:18 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:07:19 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:17 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:10:31 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:17 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:11:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:17 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:11:15 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:17 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:11:24 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:17 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:11:28 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:17 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:11:32 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:17 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:11:36 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:17 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:11:39 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:17 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:11:43 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:17 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:11:47 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:17 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:11:51 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:17 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:11:54 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:17 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:11:58 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:17 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:12:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:16 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:12:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:16 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:12:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:16 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:12:16 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:16 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:12:20 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:16 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:12:24 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:16 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:12:28 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:16 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:12:32 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:16 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:12:36 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:16 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:12:39 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:16 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:12:43 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:16 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:12:47 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:16 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:12:51 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:15 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:12:55 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:15 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:13:00 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:15 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:13:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:15 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:13:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:15 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:13:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:15 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:13:16 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:15 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:13:20 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:15 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:13:24 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:14 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:13:28 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:14 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:13:32 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:14 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:13:36 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:14 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:13:40 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:14 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:13:45 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:14 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:13:49 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:14 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:13:53 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:13:57 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:14:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:14:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:14:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:14:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:14:17 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:14:21 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:14:25 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:21 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:14:30 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:21 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:14:34 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:21 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:14:38 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:21 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:14:42 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:21 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:14:46 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:22 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:14:51 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:22 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:14:55 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:22 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:14:59 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:22 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:15:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:22 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:15:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:22 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:15:14 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:23 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:20:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:23 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:20:17 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:23 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:20:22 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:23 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:20:26 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:23 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:20:30 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:23 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:20:35 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:23 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:20:39 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:23 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:20:43 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:23 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:20:47 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:23 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:20:51 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:24 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:20:56 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:24 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:21:00 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:24 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:21:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:24 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:21:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:24 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:21:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:11:24 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:21:17 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] eww... Message-ID: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5661237&cKey=1112787329000 The Pope lies in public view for five full days before his funeral on Friday and Vaticanspokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said only superficial preservation measures are being used topreserve his remains. He said the Pope has not been embalmed. He did not say what those measures were, but despite them the body was clearly showing thesigns of death four days after his passing. FACE OF DEATH "You see him, you see the body, and in Italy they don't embalm in the same way we do, so yousee the face of death more clearly," Cardinal Francis George was quoted as saying in theChicago Sun Times. "The person who is there looks like a dead person, and that's good, that's the reality of ourfuture, but it's not the last word." From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 16:17:14 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:21:21 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Another Schiavo Poll References: Message-ID: HeyBub wrote: >> >> Uh, hey dummy -- forget to read this part? "If a disabled person is >> not terminally ill, >> not in a coma >> ^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Uh, no, I read that part. Did someone tell you Schiavo was in a coma? > If so, it would be prudent, in future, to disregard everything that > person tells you. Hhmmmm.......2060 news stories at GoogleNews seem to think TS was in a coma...why don't you come out of yours? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:24 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:35:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:24 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:35:30 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:24 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:35:34 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:24 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:35:38 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:24 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:35:42 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:24 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:35:47 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:24 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:35:51 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:24 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:35:55 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:24 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:35:59 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:24 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:36:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:24 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:36:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:40:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:40:33 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:40:41 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:40:46 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:40:50 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:40:55 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:40:59 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:41:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:41:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:41:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:41:17 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:41:22 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:41:26 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:41:32 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:41:37 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:41:41 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:41:46 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:41:50 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:41:55 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:42:00 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:42:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:42:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:42:14 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:42:18 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:42:23 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:42:28 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:42:33 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:42:37 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:42:42 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:42:47 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:42:52 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:42:57 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:43:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:43:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:43:14 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:43:18 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:43:23 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:43:28 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:43:33 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:43:38 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 10:18:20 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 15:43:43 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] If there was any doubt that Bush was a petty jackass Message-ID: So, Carter, the only president to personally host the Pope at the WH and the only president to work directly with him on world issues is snubbed by Bush, in favor of Condoleeza and his father? Any connection to JC's assessment of Iraq as a "quagmire", ya think? http://www.indystar.com/articles/4/234833-5834-010.html "After issuing a public statement of condolences last week, President Carter expressed to the White House a desire to attend the pope's funeral," Carter Center spokesman Jon Moore said in the statement. But, the statement said, Carter "was quite willing to withdraw his request when he was subsequently informed that the official delegation would be limited to just five people and there were also others who were eager to attend." From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 17:26:00 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 16:30:22 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns96309DAC2C48ATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > In all seriousness, what do edgy people do for a living? Well first, they check their email...... :) I'm finding that > the corporate environment chafes me a bit and, frankly, it seems unlikely, > at this point, that I'll ever get a good job in it (especially since, well, > I'm, uh, always pushing right up to the edge). Corporate America sucks. I can tell you that first hand. Tell me what I want to hear instead of the truth, make sure you kiss my ass while you're doing it..... fall in line, repeat all the buzz words and you'll keep your job. > > Mind you, in order to get a job outside of my present corporate environment > I'd have to make pretty much the same changes that I would to keep my job > in it. I mean, yeah. Compromise until you get a better offer? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 17:54:10 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Apr 6 16:55:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630A8450A3A7TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > I wonder what that'll look like... Anyway, yeah, off with his hair! I'm sure that will make a huge difference to the ass-kissers and the bean counters.....pah. From noah.boddie at newsgroup.nospam Wed Apr 6 17:58:13 2005 From: noah.boddie at newsgroup.nospam (Dwayne Conyers) Date: Wed Apr 6 17:00:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] My first novel... Message-ID: Just published... ˇ Title: Pater Familias ˇ Paperback: 188 pages ˇ ISBN: 0976814501 ˇ Home Page: http://dwacon.com/publications/pater_familias.asp It is true -- conception *is* easier than delivery... And surprisingly, I'm ready to write another one... -- I Shave With Occams Razor http://www.dwacon.com From johnl at spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 22:48:52 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Wed Apr 6 17:50:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hoorah! References: Message-ID: Charles <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:Xns96309CA86C24ATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: > Well, John, hey, your score file must be working 'cause there were > hundreds of new posts and I only get the juicy ones! > Told Ya!! LOL From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 18:41:48 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Apr 6 17:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Can I get an 'amen'? References: Message-ID: "LadySarah" | > | > It's called tort reform by one sector. Under ERISA and other state laws | > the insurance companies are shielded from all liability over the cost of the | > denied procedure. HINT these actions have been documented as resulting in | > DEATH by denial of service for the insured. | > | | So are you suggesting that a medical facility must continue treatment in | all cases even if the patient cannot pay for extraordinary treatment? Or if | the family wishes are to not maintain extraordinary treatment? That is an issue that the right has to address if they are to claim the high ground in cases such as Terry S. But the point of my post was that there was/is adequate insurance to provide the necessary procedures but but but the insurance company 'docs' are allowed to terminate treatment regardless. The net result is people that should have lived die. | Tort Reform is to reign in a sue happy society who benefits less than the | lawyers who convince them to bring the suit in the first place. There must | be caps on medical malpractice. Doctors are leaving the state of Ohio in | droves since to date there is no cap on medical malpractice. | | Torte reform in not limited to medical malpractice. That's the presented problem and the stated target of Tort reform. There is NO effort to reform B2B tort action. Which BTW is much greater than P2P or P2B tort and and and P2B/P2P legal tort has been on the decline over the past ten years where as B2B tort is on the steep increase. If excessive legal fees and awards were really the problem then go after the segment that generates those cost. As to MedMal the experience in California and other states belie the claim that TORT limit to med mal will improve the med mal insurance problem California tried that and it not only did not work but the rates went up. It was ONLY after insurance reform did the rates go down. BTW insurance company failure to pay is a much higher cost to physicians than med mal. do a google search on down coding and late pay. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 19:37:56 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Wed Apr 6 19:35:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: At first I thought you meant 'people who are on edge' like in nervous! I don't have quite the same problem, but I have had some discussions about being happy in your job. There are several different ways one can look at it. One is that if you think about working at a subsistence level, there is an awful lot of drudgery in planting, harvesting, preserving food and maintaining a shelter. Simple is not always easier (I think Ghandi had a good quote about that). So if one's job is drudgery, it is not so awful really. One just has to find (like the farmer who does pay attention to the good smell of new turned earth, etc.) the 'beauty' where it blooms. I remember hearing a story about a college student who worked in a factory for the summer and how he made a game up as he worked. Another approach is to enter a field where there is less of whatever particularly bothers you - a complete change of career. Like becoming a teacher or a carpenter or writing grants for non-profits or make guitars. Or really search to find clients that you can support as a consultant and create a niche. Or feel like you are keeping the world from going to hell in a hand basket because your little corner of the corporate world is honest and hardworking. Have you ever read the Three Boxes of Life? That's another approach - where you work for a while and then study for a while and then work for a while and then 'retire' for a while. Or have two personas - the one that makes the money and the one who contributes to the world (that's a variation on the theme that subsisting is not easy). I wish you luck. Fortunately, I never had to be the breadwinner. But I do know the sensation of being 'edgy' - it is not easy to live with. Miss Betsy From heybub at gmail.com Wed Apr 6 19:51:12 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Wed Apr 6 19:55:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > In all seriousness, what do edgy people do for a living? I'm finding > that the corporate environment chafes me a bit and, frankly, it seems > unlikely, at this point, that I'll ever get a good job in it > (especially since, well, I'm, uh, always pushing right up to the > edge). If you're going to work for a fool, it might as well be yourself. From pete+usenet at heypete.com Wed Apr 6 18:27:55 2005 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Wed Apr 6 20:30:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ping Pete References: Message-ID: In article , "indigo" wrote: > Whoa! What's wrong with this picture?!?! *looks inquisitively at the picture* I can't say I see much of anything wrong... > Ah, ok then. Make sure you practice safe shooting! Always. -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:32 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Wed Apr 6 20:30:17 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:43 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Wed Apr 6 20:45:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From avoozl at spamcop.net Thu Apr 7 04:24:05 2005 From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Thu Apr 7 06:25:24 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Can I get an 'amen'? References: Message-ID: Believe what you want Charles. I was telling the truth. Chris "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns96309DCCF43FCTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Chris F. Willoughby" ! > >> I never said I agreed with them. Just trying to be the devil's >> advocate, so to speak. > > Sorry, not falling for that in the slightest. Thanks for playing! > -- > Mean presidents suck From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Thu Apr 7 07:27:35 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Thu Apr 7 07:25:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Miss Betsy" ! > > > I remember hearing a story about a college student who worked in a > > factory for the summer and how he made a game up as he worked. > > I was not a college student at the time, darn it! Besides, you can't > tell your coworkers about things like this - they might think that you > are denigrating the work they do for a living! Still, my boss^3 (twice > removed?) said that I -was- denigrating their jobs when I wrote about > getting a good job in IT. Still, spare me, I do not believe that people > who live in single-wides (and struggle at it) consider that they have > good jobs. Perhaps I'm wrong. I could try to find a way to tactfully > ask, I suppose... My daughter who also worked in a factory during the summer and didn't make up games and hated it also hated it because of the people she worked with who did think they had a good deal. Talk about a fish out of water!! From my experience, some single wide dwellers are content because it is a lot better than where they came from and others are not happy with the money, but don't want (just as you don't) to gain the skills and 'polish' (for the lack of a better word - speaking correct English is necessary for managerial jobs as well as the haircut) to get more. OTOH, some of them are working to the top of their ability any way and they know it unconsciously. > > > Another approach is to enter a field where there is less of > > whatever particularly bothers you - a complete change of career. > > Like becoming a teacher or a carpenter or writing grants for > > non-profits or make guitars. > > But, see... I also need to pay the mortgage and health insurance. I > wouldn't care so much about either if I didn't have the little guy to > look after... But I do. And life is expensive. So being a carpenter or > making guitars, for example, are both out. There are people who raise families on a carpenter's wages. You need to lower your cost of living if you can't. That's my first argument. I was young in the '60's when Mother Earth News was popular. It is a tremendous amount of work to make ketchup, for instance. I can remember also how women were so happy to be emancipated from the kitchen. If you make everything from scratch, it takes hours. My neighbor one place we lived was amazed because I cooked a 'company' dinner every night (a meat, a vegetable, and a starch). Her offering when we moved in was greens and cornbread. It makes cutting one's hair and keeping one's mouth shut easy in comparison. After all, what you are trying to do is to live which you can do by paying others to make ketchup for you, but which means that you have to make the money to buy the ketchup instead of making it yourself. > > > Or really search to find clients that you can support as a > > consultant and create a niche. > > Yeah, well, after I cut my hair, eh? Of course, first impressions are important. Long hair now means that one is probably a construction worker. However, why is it so important to you to have long hair? I can understand the bicycle (to be conservative of our resources) though if you did it because you were health conscious, you might get away with it more easily. > > > > Or feel like you are keeping the world from going to hell in a hand > > basket because your little corner of the corporate world is honest > > and hardworking. > > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) And that's a peep! And so I'm screwed. > But, hey, that was only one lousy example of "nothing". I've got a > million more of those... And then there are the hundreds of > somethings... Doomed! I don't buy the hair and the bicycle as 'peeps' - there is more to it than that. In one conservative town we lived in, there was a respected school counselor with long hair. If you are very good at what you do and respectful of others' short hair, I am not so sure that appearances matter for some jobs even ones that are public. If you are constantly prodding the management with protests over procedure or, in other ways, advertising your opinion that they are fools, then you are losing (IOW, signing your memos the way you sign your posts would alienate a lot of people). Another way to look at 'giving in' to some aspects is that 'losing a battle is not losing the war' and to pick the battles that you will fight. > > > I wish you luck. Fortunately, I never had to be the breadwinner. > > But I do know the sensation of being 'edgy' - it is not easy to > > live with. > > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. You may have to move. There are only so many IT jobs in a given area. I am not quite sure what kinds of things a systems engineer does. Could you, for instance, start a local internet service? You would have to have a partner who would do the sales. Or do things online (where no one can see your long hair)? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:43 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:25:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:43 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:25:30 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:43 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:25:36 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:43 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:25:41 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:43 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:25:45 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:43 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:25:50 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:43 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:25:54 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:43 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:25:59 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:43 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:26:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:43 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:26:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:43 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:26:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:42 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:26:18 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:42 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:26:23 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:42 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:26:27 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:42 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:26:32 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:42 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:26:37 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:42 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:26:42 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:42 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:26:47 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:42 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:26:52 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:42 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:26:56 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:42 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:27:01 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:41 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:27:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:41 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:27:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:41 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:27:16 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:41 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:27:21 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:41 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:27:26 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:41 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:27:32 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:41 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:27:37 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:41 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:27:42 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:41 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:27:47 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:41 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:27:52 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:41 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:27:57 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:44 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:30:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:44 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:30:21 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:44 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:30:26 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:44 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:30:31 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:44 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:30:36 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:44 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:30:41 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:44 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:30:46 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:44 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:30:51 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:44 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:30:56 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:44 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:31:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:37:44 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:31:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630AF6D6EDA5TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Well, last time I did it I got a good, high-paying job. It's been a while > :) I hope you do....Somewhere else! From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:32 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:31:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:32 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:31:17 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:32 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:31:23 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:32 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:31:28 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:32 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:31:34 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:32 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:31:39 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:32 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:31:45 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:32 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:31:50 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:32 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:35:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:32 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:35:17 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:32 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:35:22 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:32 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:35:28 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:32 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:35:33 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:32 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:35:39 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:32 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:35:44 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:32 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:35:50 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:32 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:35:56 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:32 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:36:01 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:32 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:36:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:32 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:36:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:32 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:40:24 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:32 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:40:47 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:31 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:41:01 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:31 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:41:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:31 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:41:17 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:31 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:41:24 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:31 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:41:30 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:31 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:41:36 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:31 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:41:42 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:31 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:41:48 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:31 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:41:55 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:31 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:42:01 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:31 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:42:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:31 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:42:14 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:31 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:42:20 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:31 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:42:26 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:31 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:42:32 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:31 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:42:37 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:31 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:42:44 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:31 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:42:50 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:31 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:42:56 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:31 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:43:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:31 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:43:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:31 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:43:14 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:31 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:43:20 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:30 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:43:27 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:30 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:43:33 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:30 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:43:39 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:30 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:43:45 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:30 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:43:52 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:30 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:43:58 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:30 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:44:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:30 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:44:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:30 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:44:17 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:30 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:44:24 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? From devnull at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Apr 6 21:26:30 2005 From: devnull at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidz) Date: Thu Apr 7 14:44:30 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What do edgy people do? References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9630C9F198CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Uh, yeah, but no. Now I'm muted, see. On permanent probation. "We hear > one more peep about you and you're history!" Well, you know, like, > obviously they'll hear peeps about me. I can't help that. For whatever > reason, I just don't fit the mold exactly. I ride a nice bike to work. > Gasp! No one rides a nice bike to work! (Not one other person out of > the 6,000 in that factory does!) Um yeah, can we talk about the hypocrisy, from a company whose inventory is one third to one half SPORTING GOODS... Did they actually comment on your bike riding? > Well, thanks :) And, you know, I am pursuing the right goals (IT jobs), > at least, that's what EVERY JOB TEST I've ever taken says. I'm perfect > as a systems engineer or architect. And I'll be gosh darned if I don't > just have the skills to match. Crazy, I tell you! Of course, no > corporate manager wants a worker who rides a bike to work... Very interesting, my boss actually tried to get a shower put in our office or in the building to accomodate one person in our office who bikes at lunchtime and wanted to shower. What the hell kind of weenies are they that they don't support fitness? Setting a bad example for the beer and french fries trailer park boys? Fr