From driehuis.fcnzpbc2005 at playbeing.com Tue Feb 1 03:54:06 2005 From: driehuis.fcnzpbc2005 at playbeing.com (Bert Driehuis) Date: Mon Jan 31 21:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: McDonald's outsourcing drive-thru joba In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > ROFL, I assume you're joking here since the benefits of metric over imperial > are so huge that it's LONG past due that the US changed over. I mean, you > have a decimal monetary system, why not go the whole hog? I never expected a serious reply to my post. I thought my plea for 12 cent dimes was a dead giveaway :-) The Oregon DOT has seen the light. I stopped at the construction site of the Crooked River Bridge in 1999 (now finished, see http://www.structurae.net/structures/data/index.cfm?ID=s0004513) and found a placard titled "What are all these funny numbers?" It went on to explain that contractors bidding on the project were required to use Metric. A (very brief!) footnote mentioned the (then) three countries in the world that didn't at least nominally switch to Metric. > Do you REALLY believe that the Chinese would be at all hampered by having to > do things in imperial measurements? They're clever enough to have overcome > much bigger obstacles than that! The Chinese, like the rest of the world, have a cost issue with the requirement to keep stock in both metric and imperial sizes. But because labor is cheap there, they're not half as affected. From driehuis.fcnzpbc2005 at playbeing.com Tue Feb 1 04:05:36 2005 From: driehuis.fcnzpbc2005 at playbeing.com (Bert Driehuis) Date: Mon Jan 31 22:10:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: this is crackers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > A bank robber has been allowed to claim the ?1,400 cost of the gun he used > as a legitimate business expense. What was the legal tool again that was used to bring Al Capone down? Tax law is much easier to wield than criminal law. But it cuts both ways. The thing that galls me is that when a criminal files his tax returns in the Netherlands, the tax man is not legally allowed to pass that information on to law enforcement. I doubt that situation is much better in the US though (even though this really sounds like the kind of issue that would get senators' panties in a bunch -- and yes, I actually quite like that metaphor applied to this case). I often wonder what lessons were learned from prohibition :-) From driehuis.fcnzpbc2005 at playbeing.com Tue Feb 1 04:13:45 2005 From: driehuis.fcnzpbc2005 at playbeing.com (Bert Driehuis) Date: Mon Jan 31 22:16:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: there is a saving grace to Bill Gates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: >>Or who do give away to charity only after making sure they don't have >>to pay taxes. > If you have to pay taxes on your donation, by definition you are not > donating to a "charity". I don't recall qualifying "not having to pay taxes" with "over the donations". I'm talking corporate wellfare here. From johnl at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 04:45:36 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Mon Jan 31 23:50:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paging Heidi/Spamvireslayer References: Message-ID: sk1w1 wrote in news:ctmv14$k4g$1@news.spamcop.net: > You find the kneecaps and I will supply the electric drill & 1/2 bit.... > :-) Hey, I've got a new air compressor with a brad nailer that shoots 2 inch nails. Would that work to get attention? From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:00:22 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:37:29 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > >> "Miss Betsy" wrote in message >> news:ctma6b$6mi$1@news.spamcop.net... >> > On some PBS program, I heard a man who was definitely for making >> >>> Mexican immigrants use English because he had heard a politician in >>> Mexico say that it was Mexicans patriotic duty NOT to learn >>> English. Perhaps you can find the link. >> >> >> >> Yeah, I saw that. I think the programme was looking at language use in >> this >> country wrt whether English will go extinct. I believe the conclusion was >> that there was no danger and that in fact second and third generation >> immigrants tend to have little ability to speak their parents' language. >> >> >> From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:00:24 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:37:30 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paging Heidi/Spamvireslayer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > >> "Indigo" wrote in message >> news:ctme3j$8t6$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >>> Sylvesterthekat wrote: >>> >>>> "Indigo" wrote in message >>>> news:ctlnak$mru$1@news.spamcop.net... >>>> >>>>> Email me please, tried to send you something yesterday and it >>>>> bounced. >>>> >>>> >>>> Hey round of applause there dude, I reckon you know what you've done! >>> >>> >>> Shaddup...... >> >> >> >> LOL. I can see you're fully aware of your crimes. >> >> From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:00:26 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:37:30 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Those who do not learn from history... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > JerryMouse wrote: > >> Borgholio wrote: >> >>> While I'm glad the people of Iraq got out and voted, the instant I >>> read the full article the other day, I knew there would be trouble. A >>> fast majority of the Sunnis boycotted the election. That means >>> when the votes are tallied and the government takes power, the Sunnis >>> will complain that they were ignored, the government will say "You >>> had your chance and you chose to boycott." The Sunnis will then >>> conveniently forgot that they boycotted the election of their own >>> free will, scream corruption, and a civil war will begin. The >>> legitimate government will ask for our help to restore order...you >>> get the picture. >> >> >> >> What he said. They did it to us in 1864 and we've never forgotten. >> From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:00:28 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:37:31 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Frog Prince wrote: > >> "Tim McGraw" >> >> | >>>Asian immigrants seem to do it quite easily......they have a >> | >>>stronger work ethic or they know the way to success is to learn how >> | >>>to communicate in the common language? >> | >> >> | >>Could it be because when they arrive here that Asians are coming from >> | >>a higher social strata? Or perhaps because English is taught in their >> | >>schools? >> | > >> | > Possibly, but I doubt you could claim that for the large majority of >> Asian >> | > immigrants. From what I've read the difference is that the Asian >> cultures >> | > tend to have very good self-support groups, i.e. they pool money >> to help >> | > each other open small businesses. >> | >> | You may be right, but were I a betting man I'd also lay money on more >> | Asians already knowing the language when they get here over >> | Spanish-speaking people. >> >> If you limit your bet to low income of both groups ... you lose. >> | >> >> From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:00:30 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:37:31 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: > >> Frog Prince wrote: >> >>> "Tim McGraw" >>> >>> | >>>Asian immigrants seem to do it quite easily......they have a >>> | >>>stronger work ethic or they know the way to success is to learn how >>> | >>>to communicate in the common language? >>> | >> >>> | >>Could it be because when they arrive here that Asians are coming >>> from >>> | >>a higher social strata? Or perhaps because English is taught in >>> their >>> | >>schools? >>> | > >>> | > Possibly, but I doubt you could claim that for the large majority of >>> Asian >>> | > immigrants. From what I've read the difference is that the Asian >>> cultures >>> | > tend to have very good self-support groups, i.e. they pool money >>> to help >>> | > each other open small businesses. >>> | >>> | You may be right, but were I a betting man I'd also lay money on more >>> | Asians already knowing the language when they get here over >>> | Spanish-speaking people. >>> >>> If you limit your bet to low income of both groups ... you lose. >> >> >> >> Well, duh. >> >> Low income typically translates to little education. >> From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:00:32 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:37:32 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paging Heidi/Spamvireslayer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Indigo wrote: > >> Sylvesterthekat wrote: >> >>>> Shaddup...... >>> >>> >>> LOL. I can see you're fully aware of your crimes. >> >> >> >> Mea culpa....it was the Oxycontin, I swear! >> >> From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:00:54 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:37:32 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paging Heidi/Spamvireslayer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > JohnL wrote: > >> "Indigo" wrote in >> news:ctmeth$9c4$1@news.spamcop.net: >> >> >>> Sylvesterthekat wrote: >>> >>>>> Shaddup...... >>>> >>>> >>>> LOL. I can see you're fully aware of your crimes. >>> >>> >>> Mea culpa....it was the Oxycontin, I swear! >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> Yeah, drugs will do that to you. ;-) >> >> Now it's up to you to take care of the problem. From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:01:20 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:37:33 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Frog Prince wrote: > >> "David Dean" >> | >> | > Not that I hesitated to answer them but I >> | > did not have sufficient simple words to fully explain the answers. >> | >> | You don't have to explain in detail. The dildo can be explained as a >> | tool. >> >> The real question is why anyone should have the need to explain the >> use and >> application of a sexual device to a child that will not have >> need/opportunity to use said device until the child is much much older. >> >> Like irrational numbers there is a time and an age for certain >> explanations. >> >> | > Come to think this may be one of the reasons that many parents have >> | > problems with the prospect of explaining why 'X has two mommies'. >> | >> | That is also simple. Families are different because mommies and >> | daddies choose to be together. There are so many people different kinds >> | of people in the world, sometimes people pick other people that other >> | people wouldn't. >> | Do you have trouble explaining why some people are different colors, >> | or why some people's children are different color than their parents? A >> | parent's lack of imagination should not be a reason to restrict free >> | speech. >> >> I did not imply that I had a problem explaining the process but the >> need for >> the explanation *may* be one of the reason many parents have problems >> with >> the educational system including the information as part of the course of >> study. >> >> | > As to leaving a nine year old unsupervised: a child will learn >> only if >> give >> | > the freedom to expand his mistakes. >> | >> | Well, you have to decide how you mete out that freedom... >> | >> | > Even kids who have one on one nannies >> | > cannot be watched 24/7. >> | >> | I never said they had to be. I think that a parent should know what >> | choices are available to their children, what the risks are, and make >> | decisions as to what risks they should be allowed to take. Leaving a >> kid >> | that young alone with a radio long enough to listen to Howard Stern >> | discuss dildos is not something I would do as a parent. I very much >> | doubt that a child that age would purposely seek it out. I also feel >> | that the risk of them stumbling onto it on their own by fiddling with >> | the dial is pretty unlikely. When I allow my daughter to listen to the >> | radio, I will treat it like I do other new devices, and watch her >> | carefully the first several times. I will then slowly allow her more >> | freedom with it. I will check in with her periodically to see what she >> | is listening to. If I were to discover her listening to something >> | inappropriate, I would discuss it with her, and probably become more >> | strict with the use. >> >> How do you propose to accomplish that task? I grew up in a much gentler >> time (they did not show a married couple in the same bed on TV) and >> despite >> the eagle eyes of a constantly in attendance grand mother I managed to >> get >> into a lot of 'stuff' that was outside the realm of what was age >> appropart >> for me. >> >> As to controlling the access I can control access to cable TV and I can >> control access to the SatRadio system but I cannot control what is >> broadcast >> (and the key word is broadcast) on standard TV and radio. >> >> By your presumption it should be ok to have graphic examples of the >> application of hemorrhoid cream and tampons on live TV. To the extreme we >> might be allowed to follow two senior citizens into the clutches of a >> Viagra >> advertisement. I can see it now a full screen of Bob Dole's white >> wale a** >> rising to the moment. Will the audience be treated to the classic porn >> 'c-shot'? Will there be a CD of the bloopers? $19.95 plus S&H. >> >> From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:01:25 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:37:33 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: > >> Indigo wrote: >> >>> Tim McGraw wrote: >>> >>>> Indigo wrote: >>>> >>>>> Asian immigrants seem to do it quite easily......they have a >>>>> stronger work ethic or they know the way to success is to learn how >>>>> to communicate in the common language? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Could it be because when they arrive here that Asians are coming from >>>> a higher social strata? Or perhaps because English is taught in their >>>> schools? >>> >>> >>> >>> Possibly, but I doubt you could claim that for the large majority of >>> Asian >>> immigrants. From what I've read the difference is that the Asian >>> cultures >>> tend to have very good self-support groups, i.e. they pool money to help >>> each other open small businesses. >> >> >> >> You may be right, but were I a betting man I'd also lay money on more >> Asians already knowing the language when they get here over >> Spanish-speaking people. >> From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:01:37 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:37:34 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Those who do not learn from history... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > D.F. Manno wrote: > >>> U.S. Encouraged by ... Vote : >>> Officials Cite 83% Turnout Despite ... Terror >>> >>> by Peter Grose, Special to the New York Times >>> >>> WASHINGTON -- United States officials were surprised and heartened >>> today at the size of turnout in... election despite a ... terrorist >>> campaign to disrupt the voting. >>> >>> According to reports from ..., 83 per cent of the 5.85 million >>> registered voters cast their ballots yesterday. Many of them risked >>> reprisals threatened by the .... >>> >>> The size of the popular vote and the inability of the ... to destroy >>> the election machinery were the two salient facts in a preliminary >>> assessment of the nation election based on the incomplete returns >>> reaching here. ... >> >> >> >> Sound familiar? It's not from today's paper. It's from the Times for 4 >> Sept 1967. The ellipses should be filled in with "South Vietnam" or >> "Vietcong," as appropriate. >> >> For the rest of the article and commentary: >> >> ,http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/31/2335/87390> From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:01:40 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:37:34 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Miss Betsy wrote: > >> "Tim McGraw" wrote in message >> news:ctlvuu$vf3$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> >>>> Asian immigrants seem to do it quite easily......they have a >> >> >> stronger work >> >>>> ethic or they know the way to success is to learn how to >> >> >> communicate in the >> >>>> common language? >>> >>> >>> Could it be because when they arrive here that Asians are coming >> >> >> from a >> >>> higher social strata? Or perhaps because English is taught in >> >> >> their schools? >> >> On some PBS program, I heard a man who was definitely for making >> Mexican immigrants use English because he had heard a politician in >> Mexico say that it was Mexicans patriotic duty NOT to learn >> English. Perhaps you can find the link. >> >> I can remember that there used to be lots of parents, grandparents >> who only spoke Italian when I was young. And I know that the >> Japanese in Hawaii who don't encourage social intercommunication >> and still speak Japanese at home find that when they go to Japan >> that they are no longer speaking 'Japanese' - there was a show that >> showed signs in Japanese stores saying 'American Japanese Spoken >> here' (that was back in the 60's). Also the same PBS show had a >> segment on 'spanglish' which many Mexican immigrants speak. IOW, >> even with English as a second language and ways of getting >> information in Spanish, the ones who stay in the US are probably >> going to be learning English unless they never leave the barrios. >> >> Miss Betsy >> >> From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:01:43 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:37:35 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Those who do not learn from history... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Borgholio wrote: > >> D.F. Manno wrote: >> >>>> U.S. Encouraged by ... Vote : >>>> Officials Cite 83% Turnout Despite ... Terror >>>> >>>> by Peter Grose, Special to the New York Times >>>> >>>> WASHINGTON -- United States officials were surprised and heartened >>>> today at the size of turnout in... election despite a ... terrorist >>>> campaign to disrupt the voting. >>>> >>>> According to reports from ..., 83 per cent of the 5.85 million >>>> registered voters cast their ballots yesterday. Many of them risked >>>> reprisals threatened by the .... >>>> >>>> The size of the popular vote and the inability of the ... to destroy >>>> the election machinery were the two salient facts in a preliminary >>>> assessment of the nation election based on the incomplete returns >>>> reaching here. ... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sound familiar? It's not from today's paper. It's from the Times for >>> 4 Sept 1967. The ellipses should be filled in with "South Vietnam" or >>> "Vietcong," as appropriate. >>> >>> For the rest of the article and commentary: >>> >>> ,http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/31/2335/87390> >> >> >> >> While I'm glad the people of Iraq got out and voted, the instant I >> read the full article the other day, I knew there would be trouble. A >> fast majority of the Sunnis boycotted the election. That means when >> the votes are tallied and the government takes power, the Sunnis will >> complain that they were ignored, the government will say "You had your >> chance and you chose to boycott." The Sunnis will then conveniently >> forgot that they boycotted the election of their own free will, scream >> corruption, and a civil war will begin. The legitimate government >> will ask for our help to restore order...you get the picture. From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:01:50 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:37:36 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paging Heidi/Spamvireslayer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > >> "Indigo" wrote in message >> news:ctlnak$mru$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >>> Email me please, tried to send you something yesterday and it bounced. >> >> >> >> Hey round of applause there dude, I reckon you know what you've done! >> >> From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:01:54 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:37:36 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Frog Prince wrote: > >> "David Dean" >> >> | >> | > then again, once kids hear things, they're curious, and they want to >> | > know what those things mean. They're likely to find out sooner than >> | > their psychological and emotional tools can handle well. >> | >> | Curiosity is a good thing, you have to manage risk. If they're not >> | ready for something, don't go into detail. >> | >> | > You can expose your kid to crap if you want to, but I'd prefer to >> allow >> | > my child to have a childhood, and grow up to be a healthy adult. >> | >> | I can shield my child from crap without restricting free speech. I >> | don't think that a child who isn't allowed to explore the world will >> | grow up to be a healthy adult. >> >> David, curious how many kids do you have and what are their ages? >> >> From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:01:58 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:37:37 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Isn't this nice - incompetence is infectious! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > >> "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message >> news:ctlm51$m9g$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >>> http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1022625,00.html >>> >>> Less than than two months after former Coalition Provisional Authority >> >> >> (CPA) >> >>> administrator L. Paul Bremer received the Presidential Medal of >>> Freedom, a >> >> >> scathing >> >>> audit by a longtime confidante of George W. Bush is bashing Bremer's >> >> >> agency for >> >>> failing to establish "adequate financial controls," leaving some fiscal >> >> >> reporting >> >>> systems "either weak or non-existent." The audit charges that the CPA >>> left >> >> >> large >> >>> portions of the $8.8 billion Iraqi treasury "open to fraud, >>> kickbacks, and >>> misappropriation of funds," according to a draft obtained by TIME. The >> >> >> report was >> >>> written by Stuart Bowen, a lawyer from Texas who became special >>> inspector >> >> >> general for >> >>> Iraq reconstruction. His audit cites Bremer for lax accounting (on one >> >> >> payroll, for >> >>> instance, only 602 of the 8,206 names could be confirmed, with no paper >> >> >> trail for the >> >>> rest of the cash) and inadequate disclosure (the CPA allowed Iraqi >> >> >> officials to delay >> >>> reporting the $2.5 billion the interim government received in >>> oil-for-food >> >> >> money last >> >>> spring). >> >> >> >> Well no surprises there, this to me is just an example of what typically >> goes on under this government. >> >> From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:02:18 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:37:37 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Unintended Consequences In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > >> "Pete Stephenson" wrote in message >> news:pete+usenet-550B0D.18070630012005@news.cesmail.net... >> > Now that's where I draw the line. Saying "either go be a hooker or >> lose >> >>> unemployment benefits" is a bit much, IMHO. Now, if the women refuse a >>> non-sexual, "common" job, then that's a different story. *shrugs* Just >>> me, I guess. >> >> >> >> Indeed, that's just plain wrong and probably violates some of the EU's >> policies on human rights. So they're going to have to fix the law. It's >> badly written obviously and is just a gift to these brothels who can >> now get >> taxpayers' money by suing. I doubt in fact that women out of work who >> refuse >> the jobs would have their benefits withdrawn but you can bet yer fur >> that if >> they can the brothels are gonna screw money out of the system since >> they're >> so practiced at the art of screwing! >> >> From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:02:23 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:37:38 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paging Heidi/Spamvireslayer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Indigo wrote: > >> Sylvesterthekat wrote: >> >>> "Indigo" wrote in message >>> news:ctlnak$mru$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> >>>> Email me please, tried to send you something yesterday and it >>>> bounced. >>> >>> >>> Hey round of applause there dude, I reckon you know what you've done! >> >> >> >> Shaddup...... >> >> From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:02:52 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:37:39 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: McDonald's outsourcing drive-thru joba In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > >> "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message >> news:ctl4nr$d1e$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> >>> Well, not only that, but why do the call centers even need to be in >>> North Dakota. How about India, China, or somewhere else. Let's go >>> sub-minimum wage here. Each restaurant would just get a printout of the >>> orders as they come in. >> >> >> >> That was my thought. Maybe they just didn't want to go to the bother of >> ensuring that those Indians or Chinese could actually speak English. >> >> From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:10:08 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:37:40 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Moyers on the End Times In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > JerryMouse wrote: > >> Moyers claims some believe that the sooner the earth is denuded of >> natural resources, the sooner the "Rapture," in which believing >> Christians are taken up to heaven, will take place. Further, since the >> government has been taken over, virtually, by these right-wing >> fundamentalists, obviously they intend to use the powers of government >> to destroy the environment, thereby hastening the day. >> >> Moyers must be really upset, because he made so ghastly blunders in >> his article. Here's one: >> >> "The only Democrat to score 100 percent with the Christian coalition >> was Sen. Zell Miller of Georgia, who recently quoted from the biblical >> book of Amos on the Senate floor: "The days will come, sayeth the Lord >> God, that I will send a famine in the land." He seemed to be relishing >> the thought." >> >> It wasn't 'recently,' it was a year ago (Feb 12th, 2004). At the time, >> Miller was quoting one of Martin Luther King's speeches. Not Dr. King >> or Senator Miller or the prophet Amos were referring to a literal >> "famine" that Moyers fears. The next sentence in the Book of Amos is: >> "Not a famine for bread or thirst for water, but of hearing the word >> of the Lord." >> >> Anyway, here's Moyers article: >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/013105F.shtml > > > A very minor point in an otherwise very factual article. > > Besides, what Christian has ever read the Book of Amos? It's not in the > Christian Old Testament. > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:10:29 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:23 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: there is a saving grace to Bill Gates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bert Driehuis wrote: > Indigo wrote: > >>> Or who do give away to charity only after making sure they don't have >>> to pay taxes. > > >> If you have to pay taxes on your donation, by definition you are not >> donating to a "charity". > > > I don't recall qualifying "not having to pay taxes" with "over the > donations". I'm talking corporate wellfare here. From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:13:05 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:24 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Moyers on the End Times In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: JerryMouse wrote: > Moyers claims some believe that the sooner the earth is denuded of natural > resources, the sooner the "Rapture," in which believing Christians are taken > up to heaven, will take place. Further, since the government has been taken > over, virtually, by these right-wing fundamentalists, obviously they intend > to use the powers of government to destroy the environment, thereby > hastening the day. > > Moyers must be really upset, because he made so ghastly blunders in his > article. Here's one: > > "The only Democrat to score 100 percent with the Christian coalition was > Sen. Zell Miller of Georgia, who recently quoted from the biblical book of > Amos on the Senate floor: "The days will come, sayeth the Lord God, that I > will send a famine in the land." He seemed to be relishing the thought." > > It wasn't 'recently,' it was a year ago (Feb 12th, 2004). At the time, > Miller was quoting one of Martin Luther King's speeches. Not Dr. King or > Senator Miller or the prophet Amos were referring to a literal "famine" that > Moyers fears. The next sentence in the Book of Amos is: "Not a famine for > bread or thirst for water, but of hearing the word of the Lord." > > Anyway, here's Moyers article: > http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/013105F.shtml > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:13:21 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:25 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: this is crackers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bert Driehuis wrote: > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > >> A bank robber has been allowed to claim the ?1,400 cost of the gun he >> used >> as a legitimate business expense. > > > What was the legal tool again that was used to bring Al Capone down? Tax > law is much easier to wield than criminal law. But it cuts both ways. > > The thing that galls me is that when a criminal files his tax returns in > the Netherlands, the tax man is not legally allowed to pass that > information on to law enforcement. > > I doubt that situation is much better in the US though (even though this > really sounds like the kind of issue that would get senators' panties in > a bunch -- and yes, I actually quite like that metaphor applied to this > case). I often wonder what lessons were learned from prohibition :-) From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:13:51 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:25 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: McDonald's outsourcing drive-thru joba In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bert Driehuis wrote: > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > >> ROFL, I assume you're joking here since the benefits of metric over >> imperial >> are so huge that it's LONG past due that the US changed over. I mean, you >> have a decimal monetary system, why not go the whole hog? > > > I never expected a serious reply to my post. I thought my plea for 12 > cent dimes was a dead giveaway :-) > > The Oregon DOT has seen the light. I stopped at the construction site of > the Crooked River Bridge in 1999 (now finished, see > http://www.structurae.net/structures/data/index.cfm?ID=s0004513) and > found a placard titled "What are all these funny numbers?" It went on to > explain that contractors bidding on the project were required to use > Metric. A (very brief!) footnote mentioned the (then) three countries in > the world that didn't at least nominally switch to Metric. > >> Do you REALLY believe that the Chinese would be at all hampered by >> having to >> do things in imperial measurements? They're clever enough to have >> overcome >> much bigger obstacles than that! > > > The Chinese, like the rest of the world, have a cost issue with the > requirement to keep stock in both metric and imperial sizes. But because > labor is cheap there, they're not half as affected. From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:13:54 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:26 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > Frog Prince wrote: > >> "Tim McGraw" >> | > >> | > | You may be right, but were I a betting man I'd also lay money on >> more >> | > | Asians already knowing the language when they get here over >> | > | Spanish-speaking people. >> | > >> | > If you limit your bet to low income of both groups ... you lose. >> | >> | Well, duh. >> | >> | Low income typically translates to little education. >> >> Ok then try your bet based on educational levels and you will likely find >> that there is not a significant difference in the two. Also factor into >> your process that it is much more difficult and expensive to get here >> from >> Asia then from Nuevo Laredo. > > > IIRC, English is taught widely in Asia - particularly industrialized > nations and to an increasing extent China. Third-world Asian countries, > less so. However, my nephew has spent mucho years in Indonesia (the safe > half) and found many, many natives who spoke English well. > > OTOH, I would defer to you for general antecdotal information - you seem > to have spent much time helping many of these immigrants. > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:13:56 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:27 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Tim McGraw" > | > > | > | >>>Asian immigrants seem to do it quite easily......they have a > | > | >>>stronger work ethic or they know the way to success is to learn how > | > | >>>to communicate in the common language? > | > | >> > | > | >>Could it be because when they arrive here that Asians are coming > from > | > | >>a higher social strata? Or perhaps because English is taught in > their > | > | >>schools? > | > | > > | > | > Possibly, but I doubt you could claim that for the large majority of > | > Asian > | > | > immigrants. From what I've read the difference is that the Asian > | > cultures > | > | > tend to have very good self-support groups, i.e. they pool money to > help > | > | > each other open small businesses. > | > | > | > | You may be right, but were I a betting man I'd also lay money on more > | > | Asians already knowing the language when they get here over > | > | Spanish-speaking people. > | > > | > If you limit your bet to low income of both groups ... you lose. > | > | Well, duh. > | > | Low income typically translates to little education. > > Ok then try your bet based on educational levels and you will likely find > that there is not a significant difference in the two. Also factor into > your process that it is much more difficult and expensive to get here from > Asia then from Nuevo Laredo. > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:13:59 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:28 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: cool! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Porpoise" > > | Well that's pretty obvious! You're conveniently missing the "correct " way > | to do it. That's why the point was made (had you taken the time to > actually > | read the information properly) that it was to be a SEALED and SIGNED FOR > | package. You's have to be stupid to even think of sending it in an > unsealed > | envelope - which is what you're talking about above. The whole point being > | to *prove* the date it was created and who it was created by. The step by > | step was contained within the government URLs I provided. > > The drug industry can't guarantee such a seal on drugs how hard not to > mention expensive do you think it would be to accomplish on an envelope? > > Regardless there is a much less expensive and far more secure way to > validate a copy right. In the case of the USA registration. Likely have > similar options in other counties. > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:14:01 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:29 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > Frog Prince wrote: > >> "Tim McGraw" >> >> | >>>Asian immigrants seem to do it quite easily......they have a >> | >>>stronger work ethic or they know the way to success is to learn how >> | >>>to communicate in the common language? >> | >> >> | >>Could it be because when they arrive here that Asians are coming from >> | >>a higher social strata? Or perhaps because English is taught in their >> | >>schools? >> | > >> | > Possibly, but I doubt you could claim that for the large majority of >> Asian >> | > immigrants. From what I've read the difference is that the Asian >> cultures >> | > tend to have very good self-support groups, i.e. they pool money >> to help >> | > each other open small businesses. >> | >> | You may be right, but were I a betting man I'd also lay money on more >> | Asians already knowing the language when they get here over >> | Spanish-speaking people. >> >> If you limit your bet to low income of both groups ... you lose. > > > Well, duh. > > Low income typically translates to little education. > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:14:05 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:29 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Those who do not learn from history... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: JerryMouse wrote: > Borgholio wrote: > >>While I'm glad the people of Iraq got out and voted, the instant I >>read the full article the other day, I knew there would be trouble. A fast >>majority of the Sunnis boycotted the election. That means >>when the votes are tallied and the government takes power, the Sunnis >>will complain that they were ignored, the government will say "You >>had your chance and you chose to boycott." The Sunnis will then >>conveniently forgot that they boycotted the election of their own >>free will, scream corruption, and a civil war will begin. The >>legitimate government will ask for our help to restore order...you >>get the picture. > > > What he said. They did it to us in 1864 and we've never forgotten. > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:14:07 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:30 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Tim McGraw" > > | >>>Asian immigrants seem to do it quite easily......they have a > | >>>stronger work ethic or they know the way to success is to learn how > | >>>to communicate in the common language? > | >> > | >>Could it be because when they arrive here that Asians are coming from > | >>a higher social strata? Or perhaps because English is taught in their > | >>schools? > | > > | > Possibly, but I doubt you could claim that for the large majority of > Asian > | > immigrants. From what I've read the difference is that the Asian > cultures > | > tend to have very good self-support groups, i.e. they pool money to help > | > each other open small businesses. > | > | You may be right, but were I a betting man I'd also lay money on more > | Asians already knowing the language when they get here over > | Spanish-speaking people. > > If you limit your bet to low income of both groups ... you lose. > | > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:14:09 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:31 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Indigo" > > | >> Asian immigrants seem to do it quite easily......they have a > | >> stronger work ethic or they know the way to success is to learn how > | >> to communicate in the common language? > | > > | > Could it be because when they arrive here that Asians are coming from > | > a higher social strata? Or perhaps because English is taught in their > | > schools? > | > | Possibly, but I doubt you could claim that for the large majority of Asian > | immigrants. From what I've read the difference is that the Asian cultures > | tend to have very good self-support groups, i.e. they pool money to help > | each other open small businesses. > > Asians provide translation services as well. FWIW lower income Asians do > not have any greater English skills than low income Hispanics. (At least > from my experience in Texas and NC. > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:14:26 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:32 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Spamvireslayer" > > | > ...and let's say you have three kids to support and were holding down > | > three poor-paying part-time jobs just to keep food on the table. Like > | > you'd have the time. Riiiiiight. > | > | Might even be able to get a better paying job if learned to speak the > language. > > Don't bet on it. I have personal knowledge of one case where a single mon > also working three jobs has three kids (she is a native English speaker) and > one kid need special medical treatment. She took off time to attend to that > need and was gated for missing work. (the official reason was not so stated > but that was the cause). (there's more to the story but that data would not > make any difference to this discussion) > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:14:29 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:33 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Unintended Consequences In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Sylvesterthekat" > > | > Now that's where I draw the line. Saying "either go be a hooker or lose > | > unemployment benefits" is a bit much, IMHO. Now, if the women refuse a > | > non-sexual, "common" job, then that's a different story. *shrugs* Just > | > me, I guess. > | > | Indeed, that's just plain wrong and probably violates some of the EU's > | policies on human rights. So they're going to have to fix the law. It's > | badly written obviously and is just a gift to these brothels who can now > get > | taxpayers' money by suing. I doubt in fact that women out of work who > refuse > | the jobs would have their benefits withdrawn but you can bet yer fur that > if > | they can the brothels are gonna screw money out of the system since > they're > | so practiced at the art of screwing! > > Prostitution has been legal in Nevada for a long time. I wonder why the NV > employment security hasn't stumbled on that 'trick' ... yet? (D&R) > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:14:35 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:34 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: McDonald's outsourcing drive-thru joba In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Sylvesterthekat" > > | > | > Well, not only that, but why do the call centers even need to be in > | > North Dakota. How about India, China, or somewhere else. Let's go > | > sub-minimum wage here. Each restaurant would just get a printout of the > | > orders as they come in. > | > | That was my thought. Maybe they just didn't want to go to the bother of > | ensuring that those Indians or Chinese could actually speak English. > > Ever been to McD's in Texas, L.A. or N.Y. FIWI I've had better English > usage from the McDonaldos in Tokyo ... > > I dounbt if many could tell the difference. > > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:14:37 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:35 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: there is a saving grace to Bill Gates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Indigo" > > | > Or who do give away to charity only after making sure they don't have > | > to pay taxes. > | > > | > | If you have to pay taxes on your donation, by definition you are not > | donating to a "charity". > > No but proper accounting can give the donor one h*ll of a way to avoid tax > on the rest of the income. This was one of the reasons for the Alternate > Minimum Tax. > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:14:39 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:36 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "David Dean" > > | > | > then again, once kids hear things, they're curious, and they want to > | > know what those things mean. They're likely to find out sooner than > | > their psychological and emotional tools can handle well. > | > | Curiosity is a good thing, you have to manage risk. If they're not > | ready for something, don't go into detail. > | > | > You can expose your kid to crap if you want to, but I'd prefer to allow > | > my child to have a childhood, and grow up to be a healthy adult. > | > | I can shield my child from crap without restricting free speech. I > | don't think that a child who isn't allowed to explore the world will > | grow up to be a healthy adult. > > David, curious how many kids do you have and what are their ages? > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:14:41 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:37 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "David Dean" > | > | > Not that I hesitated to answer them but I > | > did not have sufficient simple words to fully explain the answers. > | > | You don't have to explain in detail. The dildo can be explained as a > | tool. > > The real question is why anyone should have the need to explain the use and > application of a sexual device to a child that will not have > need/opportunity to use said device until the child is much much older. > > Like irrational numbers there is a time and an age for certain explanations. > > | > Come to think this may be one of the reasons that many parents have > | > problems with the prospect of explaining why 'X has two mommies'. > | > | That is also simple. Families are different because mommies and > | daddies choose to be together. There are so many people different kinds > | of people in the world, sometimes people pick other people that other > | people wouldn't. > | Do you have trouble explaining why some people are different colors, > | or why some people's children are different color than their parents? A > | parent's lack of imagination should not be a reason to restrict free > | speech. > > I did not imply that I had a problem explaining the process but the need for > the explanation *may* be one of the reason many parents have problems with > the educational system including the information as part of the course of > study. > > | > As to leaving a nine year old unsupervised: a child will learn only if > give > | > the freedom to expand his mistakes. > | > | Well, you have to decide how you mete out that freedom... > | > | > Even kids who have one on one nannies > | > cannot be watched 24/7. > | > | I never said they had to be. I think that a parent should know what > | choices are available to their children, what the risks are, and make > | decisions as to what risks they should be allowed to take. Leaving a kid > | that young alone with a radio long enough to listen to Howard Stern > | discuss dildos is not something I would do as a parent. I very much > | doubt that a child that age would purposely seek it out. I also feel > | that the risk of them stumbling onto it on their own by fiddling with > | the dial is pretty unlikely. When I allow my daughter to listen to the > | radio, I will treat it like I do other new devices, and watch her > | carefully the first several times. I will then slowly allow her more > | freedom with it. I will check in with her periodically to see what she > | is listening to. If I were to discover her listening to something > | inappropriate, I would discuss it with her, and probably become more > | strict with the use. > > How do you propose to accomplish that task? I grew up in a much gentler > time (they did not show a married couple in the same bed on TV) and despite > the eagle eyes of a constantly in attendance grand mother I managed to get > into a lot of 'stuff' that was outside the realm of what was age appropart > for me. > > As to controlling the access I can control access to cable TV and I can > control access to the SatRadio system but I cannot control what is broadcast > (and the key word is broadcast) on standard TV and radio. > > By your presumption it should be ok to have graphic examples of the > application of hemorrhoid cream and tampons on live TV. To the extreme we > might be allowed to follow two senior citizens into the clutches of a Viagra > advertisement. I can see it now a full screen of Bob Dole's white wale a** > rising to the moment. Will the audience be treated to the classic porn > 'c-shot'? Will there be a CD of the bloopers? $19.95 plus S&H. > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:14:45 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:38 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Those who do not learn from history... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > D.F. Manno wrote: > >>> U.S. Encouraged by ... Vote : >>> Officials Cite 83% Turnout Despite ... Terror >>> >>> by Peter Grose, Special to the New York Times >>> >>> WASHINGTON -- United States officials were surprised and heartened >>> today at the size of turnout in... election despite a ... terrorist >>> campaign to disrupt the voting. >>> >>> According to reports from ..., 83 per cent of the 5.85 million >>> registered voters cast their ballots yesterday. Many of them risked >>> reprisals threatened by the .... >>> >>> The size of the popular vote and the inability of the ... to destroy >>> the election machinery were the two salient facts in a preliminary >>> assessment of the nation election based on the incomplete returns >>> reaching here. ... >> >> >> >> Sound familiar? It's not from today's paper. It's from the Times for 4 >> Sept 1967. The ellipses should be filled in with "South Vietnam" or >> "Vietcong," as appropriate. >> >> For the rest of the article and commentary: >> >> ,http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/31/2335/87390> > > > While I'm glad the people of Iraq got out and voted, the instant I read > the full article the other day, I knew there would be trouble. A fast > majority of the Sunnis boycotted the election. That means when the > votes are tallied and the government takes power, the Sunnis will > complain that they were ignored, the government will say "You had your > chance and you chose to boycott." The Sunnis will then conveniently > forgot that they boycotted the election of their own free will, scream > corruption, and a civil war will begin. The legitimate government will > ask for our help to restore order...you get the picture. From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:14:52 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:39 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Those who do not learn from history... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: >>U.S. Encouraged by ... Vote : >>Officials Cite 83% Turnout Despite ... Terror >> >>by Peter Grose, Special to the New York Times >> >>WASHINGTON -- United States officials were surprised and heartened >>today at the size of turnout in... election despite >>a ... terrorist campaign to disrupt the voting. >> >>According to reports from ..., 83 per cent of the 5.85 million registered >>voters cast their ballots yesterday. Many of them risked reprisals >>threatened by the .... >> >>The size of the popular vote and the inability of the ... to destroy the >>election machinery were the two salient facts in a preliminary assessment of >>the nation election based on the incomplete returns reaching here. ... > > > Sound familiar? It's not from today's paper. It's from the Times for 4 > Sept 1967. The ellipses should be filled in with "South Vietnam" or > "Vietcong," as appropriate. > > For the rest of the article and commentary: > > ,http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/31/2335/87390> From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:15:40 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:40 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paging Heidi/Spamvireslayer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > >>>Shaddup...... >> >>LOL. I can see you're fully aware of your crimes. > > > Mea culpa....it was the Oxycontin, I swear! > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:15:43 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:41 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Miss Betsy" wrote in message > news:ctma6b$6mi$1@news.spamcop.net... > > On some PBS program, I heard a man who was definitely for making > >>Mexican immigrants use English because he had heard a politician in >>Mexico say that it was Mexicans patriotic duty NOT to learn >>English. Perhaps you can find the link. > > > Yeah, I saw that. I think the programme was looking at language use in this > country wrt whether English will go extinct. I believe the conclusion was > that there was no danger and that in fact second and third generation > immigrants tend to have little ability to speak their parents' language. > > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:15:47 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:42 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paging Heidi/Spamvireslayer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Indigo" wrote in message > news:ctme3j$8t6$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>Sylvesterthekat wrote: >> >>>"Indigo" wrote in message >>>news:ctlnak$mru$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> >>>>Email me please, tried to send you something yesterday and it >>>>bounced. >>> >>>Hey round of applause there dude, I reckon you know what you've done! >> >>Shaddup...... > > > LOL. I can see you're fully aware of your crimes. > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:15:49 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:43 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: McDonald's outsourcing drive-thru joba In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message > news:ctl4nr$d1e$1@news.spamcop.net... > > >>Well, not only that, but why do the call centers even need to be in >>North Dakota. How about India, China, or somewhere else. Let's go >>sub-minimum wage here. Each restaurant would just get a printout of the >>orders as they come in. > > > That was my thought. Maybe they just didn't want to go to the bother of > ensuring that those Indians or Chinese could actually speak English. > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:15:52 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:44 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paging Heidi/Spamvireslayer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > >>"Indigo" wrote in message >>news:ctlnak$mru$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >>>Email me please, tried to send you something yesterday and it >>>bounced. >> >>Hey round of applause there dude, I reckon you know what you've done! > > > Shaddup...... > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:15:55 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:45 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: McDonald's outsourcing drive-thru joba In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Bert Driehuis" wrote in message > news:ctkd36$urm$1@news.spamcop.net... > > And worse, all of those foreign cars are manufactured in Metric. That'll > >>put all of the American engineers that can still do calculations in >>Imperial units out of work. >> >>Speaking as a chartered member of the Imperial Units Preservation >>Society, I call upon all noble descendants of the king of England to put >>an end to the rationalization of measurements. Those European nasties >>still haven't copped on to the fact that they're only helping the >>Chinese by standardizing. As if having decimal units would help things. >> >>I ask you, what has become of England since they went decimal with their >> money? Which English child these days knows how much a gross of eggs >>costs in pounds? It is time Americans follow their roots and start a >>grass roots movement to get US currency to implement the twelve-based >>system. > > > ROFL, I assume you're joking here since the benefits of metric over imperial > are so huge that it's LONG past due that the US changed over. I mean, you > have a decimal monetary system, why not go the whole hog? > > Do you REALLY believe that the Chinese would be at all hampered by having to > do things in imperial measurements? They're clever enough to have overcome > much bigger obstacles than that! > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:15:59 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:46 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Unintended Consequences In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Pete Stephenson" wrote in message > news:pete+usenet-550B0D.18070630012005@news.cesmail.net... > > Now that's where I draw the line. Saying "either go be a hooker or lose > >>unemployment benefits" is a bit much, IMHO. Now, if the women refuse a >>non-sexual, "common" job, then that's a different story. *shrugs* Just >>me, I guess. > > > Indeed, that's just plain wrong and probably violates some of the EU's > policies on human rights. So they're going to have to fix the law. It's > badly written obviously and is just a gift to these brothels who can now get > taxpayers' money by suing. I doubt in fact that women out of work who refuse > the jobs would have their benefits withdrawn but you can bet yer fur that if > they can the brothels are gonna screw money out of the system since they're > so practiced at the art of screwing! > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:16:05 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:47 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Isn't this nice - incompetence is infectious! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message > news:ctlm51$m9g$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1022625,00.html >> >>Less than than two months after former Coalition Provisional Authority > > (CPA) > >>administrator L. Paul Bremer received the Presidential Medal of Freedom, a > > scathing > >>audit by a longtime confidante of George W. Bush is bashing Bremer's > > agency for > >>failing to establish "adequate financial controls," leaving some fiscal > > reporting > >>systems "either weak or non-existent." The audit charges that the CPA left > > large > >>portions of the $8.8 billion Iraqi treasury "open to fraud, kickbacks, and >>misappropriation of funds," according to a draft obtained by TIME. The > > report was > >>written by Stuart Bowen, a lawyer from Texas who became special inspector > > general for > >>Iraq reconstruction. His audit cites Bremer for lax accounting (on one > > payroll, for > >>instance, only 602 of the 8,206 names could be confirmed, with no paper > > trail for the > >>rest of the cash) and inadequate disclosure (the CPA allowed Iraqi > > officials to delay > >>reporting the $2.5 billion the interim government received in oil-for-food > > money last > >>spring). > > > Well no surprises there, this to me is just an example of what typically > goes on under this government. > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:16:35 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:48 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Indigo wrote: > >> Tim McGraw wrote: >> >>> Spamvireslayer wrote: >>> >>>> Tim McGraw wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> ...and let's say you have three kids to support and were holding >>>>> down three poor-paying part-time jobs just to keep food on the >>>>> table. Like you'd have the time. Riiiiiight. >>>> >>>> >>>> Might even be able to get a better paying job if learned to speak >>>> the language. >>> >>> >>> Hey, mebbe since such an individual has *all this time* to learn >>> another language, why not pick up, say, a master's in EE on the way, >>> eh? >> >> >> >> Asian immigrants seem to do it quite easily......they have a stronger >> work >> ethic or they know the way to success is to learn how to communicate >> in the >> common language? >> >> > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:16:37 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:49 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: there is a saving grace to Bill Gates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Spamvireslayer wrote: > >> Indigo wrote: >> >>> Bert Driehuis wrote: >>> >>>> Or who do give away to charity only after making sure they don't have >>>> to pay taxes. >>>> >>> >>> >>> If you have to pay taxes on your donation, by definition you are not >>> donating to a "charity". >>> >>> From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:16:39 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:50 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Spamvireslayer wrote: > >> Tim McGraw wrote: >> >>> Indigo wrote: >>> >>>> Tim McGraw wrote: >>>> >>>>> Spamvireslayer wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Tim McGraw wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> ...and let's say you have three kids to support and were holding >>>>>>> down three poor-paying part-time jobs just to keep food on the >>>>>>> table. Like you'd have the time. Riiiiiight. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Might even be able to get a better paying job if learned to speak >>>>>> the language. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hey, mebbe since such an individual has *all this time* to learn >>>>> another language, why not pick up, say, a master's in EE on the way, >>>>> eh? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Asian immigrants seem to do it quite easily......they have a >>>> stronger work >>>> ethic or they know the way to success is to learn how to communicate >>>> in the >>>> common language? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Could it be because when they arrive here that Asians are coming from >>> a higher social strata? Or perhaps because English is taught in their >>> schools? >>> > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:16:58 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:51 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paging Heidi/Spamvireslayer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Indigo" wrote in message > news:ctlnak$mru$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>Email me please, tried to send you something yesterday and it bounced. > > > Hey round of applause there dude, I reckon you know what you've done! > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:17:00 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:52 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Miss Betsy wrote: > "Tim McGraw" wrote in message > news:ctlvuu$vf3$1@news.spamcop.net... > > >>>Asian immigrants seem to do it quite easily......they have a > > stronger work > >>>ethic or they know the way to success is to learn how to > > communicate in the > >>>common language? >> >>Could it be because when they arrive here that Asians are coming > > from a > >>higher social strata? Or perhaps because English is taught in > > their schools? > > On some PBS program, I heard a man who was definitely for making > Mexican immigrants use English because he had heard a politician in > Mexico say that it was Mexicans patriotic duty NOT to learn > English. Perhaps you can find the link. > > I can remember that there used to be lots of parents, grandparents > who only spoke Italian when I was young. And I know that the > Japanese in Hawaii who don't encourage social intercommunication > and still speak Japanese at home find that when they go to Japan > that they are no longer speaking 'Japanese' - there was a show that > showed signs in Japanese stores saying 'American Japanese Spoken > here' (that was back in the 60's). Also the same PBS show had a > segment on 'spanglish' which many Mexican immigrants speak. IOW, > even with English as a second language and ways of getting > information in Spanish, the ones who stay in the US are probably > going to be learning English unless they never leave the barrios. > > Miss Betsy > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:17:03 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:53 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > Indigo wrote: > >> Tim McGraw wrote: >> >>> Indigo wrote: >>> >>>> Asian immigrants seem to do it quite easily......they have a >>>> stronger work ethic or they know the way to success is to learn how >>>> to communicate in the common language? >>> >>> >>> Could it be because when they arrive here that Asians are coming from >>> a higher social strata? Or perhaps because English is taught in their >>> schools? >> >> >> Possibly, but I doubt you could claim that for the large majority of >> Asian >> immigrants. From what I've read the difference is that the Asian cultures >> tend to have very good self-support groups, i.e. they pool money to help >> each other open small businesses. > > > You may be right, but were I a betting man I'd also lay money on more > Asians already knowing the language when they get here over > Spanish-speaking people. > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:17:05 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:55 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Spamvireslayer wrote: > >> Indigo wrote: >> >>> Tim McGraw wrote: >>> >>>> Spamvireslayer wrote: >>>> >>>>> Tim McGraw wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> ...and let's say you have three kids to support and were holding >>>>>> down three poor-paying part-time jobs just to keep food on the >>>>>> table. Like you'd have the time. Riiiiiight. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Might even be able to get a better paying job if learned to speak >>>>> the language. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hey, mebbe since such an individual has *all this time* to learn >>>> another language, why not pick up, say, a master's in EE on the way, >>>> eh? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Asian immigrants seem to do it quite easily......they have a stronger >>> work >>> ethic or they know the way to success is to learn how to communicate >>> in the >>> common language? >>> >>> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:18:28 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:56 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:18:42 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:57 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paging Heidi/Spamvireslayer Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:18:58 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:58 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:20:04 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:38:59 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > Heidi wrote: > >> Indigo wrote: >> >>> Tim McGraw wrote: >>> >>>> Spamvireslayer wrote: >>>> >>>>> Tim McGraw wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> ...and let's say you have three kids to support and were holding >>>>>> down three poor-paying part-time jobs just to keep food on the >>>>>> table. Like you'd have the time. Riiiiiight. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Might even be able to get a better paying job if learned to speak >>>>> the language. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hey, mebbe since such an individual has *all this time* to learn >>>> another language, why not pick up, say, a master's in EE on the way, >>>> eh? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Asian immigrants seem to do it quite easily......they have a stronger >>> work >>> ethic or they know the way to success is to learn how to communicate >>> in the >>> common language? >>> >>> >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:20:11 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:39:00 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > Heidi wrote: > >> Spamvireslayer wrote: >> >>> Indigo wrote: >>> >>>> Tim McGraw wrote: >>>> >>>>> Spamvireslayer wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Tim McGraw wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> ...and let's say you have three kids to support and were holding >>>>>>> down three poor-paying part-time jobs just to keep food on the >>>>>>> table. Like you'd have the time. Riiiiiight. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Might even be able to get a better paying job if learned to speak >>>>>> the language. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hey, mebbe since such an individual has *all this time* to learn >>>>> another language, why not pick up, say, a master's in EE on the way, >>>>> eh? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Asian immigrants seem to do it quite easily......they have a >>>> stronger work >>>> ethic or they know the way to success is to learn how to communicate >>>> in the >>>> common language? >>>> >>>> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:20:17 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:39:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: > >> Indigo wrote: >> >>> Tim McGraw wrote: >>> >>>> Indigo wrote: >>>> >>>>> Asian immigrants seem to do it quite easily......they have a >>>>> stronger work ethic or they know the way to success is to learn how >>>>> to communicate in the common language? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Could it be because when they arrive here that Asians are coming from >>>> a higher social strata? Or perhaps because English is taught in their >>>> schools? >>> >>> >>> >>> Possibly, but I doubt you could claim that for the large majority of >>> Asian >>> immigrants. From what I've read the difference is that the Asian >>> cultures >>> tend to have very good self-support groups, i.e. they pool money to help >>> each other open small businesses. >> >> >> >> You may be right, but were I a betting man I'd also lay money on more >> Asians already knowing the language when they get here over >> Spanish-speaking people. >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:20:22 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:40:14 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Isn't this nice - incompetence is infectious! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > >> "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message >> news:ctlm51$m9g$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >>> http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1022625,00.html >>> >>> Less than than two months after former Coalition Provisional Authority >> >> >> (CPA) >> >>> administrator L. Paul Bremer received the Presidential Medal of >>> Freedom, a >> >> >> scathing >> >>> audit by a longtime confidante of George W. Bush is bashing Bremer's >> >> >> agency for >> >>> failing to establish "adequate financial controls," leaving some fiscal >> >> >> reporting >> >>> systems "either weak or non-existent." The audit charges that the CPA >>> left >> >> >> large >> >>> portions of the $8.8 billion Iraqi treasury "open to fraud, >>> kickbacks, and >>> misappropriation of funds," according to a draft obtained by TIME. The >> >> >> report was >> >>> written by Stuart Bowen, a lawyer from Texas who became special >>> inspector >> >> >> general for >> >>> Iraq reconstruction. His audit cites Bremer for lax accounting (on one >> >> >> payroll, for >> >>> instance, only 602 of the 8,206 names could be confirmed, with no paper >> >> >> trail for the >> >>> rest of the cash) and inadequate disclosure (the CPA allowed Iraqi >> >> >> officials to delay >> >>> reporting the $2.5 billion the interim government received in >>> oil-for-food >> >> >> money last >> >>> spring). >> >> >> >> Well no surprises there, this to me is just an example of what typically >> goes on under this government. >> >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:21:24 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:40:16 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > Heidi wrote: > >> Indigo wrote: >> >>> Tim McGraw wrote: >>> >>>> Spamvireslayer wrote: >>>> >>>>> Tim McGraw wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> ...and let's say you have three kids to support and were holding >>>>>> down three poor-paying part-time jobs just to keep food on the >>>>>> table. Like you'd have the time. Riiiiiight. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Might even be able to get a better paying job if learned to speak >>>>> the language. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hey, mebbe since such an individual has *all this time* to learn >>>> another language, why not pick up, say, a master's in EE on the way, >>>> eh? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Asian immigrants seem to do it quite easily......they have a stronger >>> work >>> ethic or they know the way to success is to learn how to communicate >>> in the >>> common language? >>> >>> >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:21:27 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:40:18 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Isn't this nice - incompetence is infectious! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > >> "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message >> news:ctlm51$m9g$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >>> http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1022625,00.html >>> >>> Less than than two months after former Coalition Provisional Authority >> >> >> (CPA) >> >>> administrator L. Paul Bremer received the Presidential Medal of >>> Freedom, a >> >> >> scathing >> >>> audit by a longtime confidante of George W. Bush is bashing Bremer's >> >> >> agency for >> >>> failing to establish "adequate financial controls," leaving some fiscal >> >> >> reporting >> >>> systems "either weak or non-existent." The audit charges that the CPA >>> left >> >> >> large >> >>> portions of the $8.8 billion Iraqi treasury "open to fraud, >>> kickbacks, and >>> misappropriation of funds," according to a draft obtained by TIME. The >> >> >> report was >> >>> written by Stuart Bowen, a lawyer from Texas who became special >>> inspector >> >> >> general for >> >>> Iraq reconstruction. His audit cites Bremer for lax accounting (on one >> >> >> payroll, for >> >>> instance, only 602 of the 8,206 names could be confirmed, with no paper >> >> >> trail for the >> >>> rest of the cash) and inadequate disclosure (the CPA allowed Iraqi >> >> >> officials to delay >> >>> reporting the $2.5 billion the interim government received in >>> oil-for-food >> >> >> money last >> >>> spring). >> >> >> >> Well no surprises there, this to me is just an example of what typically >> goes on under this government. >> >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:21:30 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:40:21 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Unintended Consequences In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > >> "Pete Stephenson" wrote in message >> news:pete+usenet-550B0D.18070630012005@news.cesmail.net... >> > Now that's where I draw the line. Saying "either go be a hooker or >> lose >> >>> unemployment benefits" is a bit much, IMHO. Now, if the women refuse a >>> non-sexual, "common" job, then that's a different story. *shrugs* Just >>> me, I guess. >> >> >> >> Indeed, that's just plain wrong and probably violates some of the EU's >> policies on human rights. So they're going to have to fix the law. It's >> badly written obviously and is just a gift to these brothels who can >> now get >> taxpayers' money by suing. I doubt in fact that women out of work who >> refuse >> the jobs would have their benefits withdrawn but you can bet yer fur >> that if >> they can the brothels are gonna screw money out of the system since >> they're >> so practiced at the art of screwing! >> >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:21:34 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:40:23 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: McDonald's outsourcing drive-thru joba In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > >> "Bert Driehuis" wrote in message >> news:ctkd36$urm$1@news.spamcop.net... >> > And worse, all of those foreign cars are manufactured in Metric. >> That'll >> >>> put all of the American engineers that can still do calculations in >>> Imperial units out of work. >>> >>> Speaking as a chartered member of the Imperial Units Preservation >>> Society, I call upon all noble descendants of the king of England to put >>> an end to the rationalization of measurements. Those European nasties >>> still haven't copped on to the fact that they're only helping the >>> Chinese by standardizing. As if having decimal units would help things. >>> >>> I ask you, what has become of England since they went decimal with their >>> money? Which English child these days knows how much a gross of eggs >>> costs in pounds? It is time Americans follow their roots and start a >>> grass roots movement to get US currency to implement the twelve-based >>> system. >> >> >> >> ROFL, I assume you're joking here since the benefits of metric over >> imperial >> are so huge that it's LONG past due that the US changed over. I mean, you >> have a decimal monetary system, why not go the whole hog? >> >> Do you REALLY believe that the Chinese would be at all hampered by >> having to >> do things in imperial measurements? They're clever enough to have >> overcome >> much bigger obstacles than that! >> >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:21:38 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:40:26 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paging Heidi/Spamvireslayer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > Indigo wrote: > >> Sylvesterthekat wrote: >> >>> "Indigo" wrote in message >>> news:ctlnak$mru$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> >>>> Email me please, tried to send you something yesterday and it >>>> bounced. >>> >>> >>> Hey round of applause there dude, I reckon you know what you've done! >> >> >> >> Shaddup...... >> >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:21:41 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:40:28 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: McDonald's outsourcing drive-thru joba In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > >> "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message >> news:ctl4nr$d1e$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> >>> Well, not only that, but why do the call centers even need to be in >>> North Dakota. How about India, China, or somewhere else. Let's go >>> sub-minimum wage here. Each restaurant would just get a printout of the >>> orders as they come in. >> >> >> >> That was my thought. Maybe they just didn't want to go to the bother of >> ensuring that those Indians or Chinese could actually speak English. >> >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:21:45 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:40:31 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paging Heidi/Spamvireslayer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > >> "Indigo" wrote in message >> news:ctme3j$8t6$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >>> Sylvesterthekat wrote: >>> >>>> "Indigo" wrote in message >>>> news:ctlnak$mru$1@news.spamcop.net... >>>> >>>>> Email me please, tried to send you something yesterday and it >>>>> bounced. >>>> >>>> >>>> Hey round of applause there dude, I reckon you know what you've done! >>> >>> >>> Shaddup...... >> >> >> >> LOL. I can see you're fully aware of your crimes. >> >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:21:50 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:40:34 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > >> "Miss Betsy" wrote in message >> news:ctma6b$6mi$1@news.spamcop.net... >> > On some PBS program, I heard a man who was definitely for making >> >>> Mexican immigrants use English because he had heard a politician in >>> Mexico say that it was Mexicans patriotic duty NOT to learn >>> English. Perhaps you can find the link. >> >> >> >> Yeah, I saw that. I think the programme was looking at language use in >> this >> country wrt whether English will go extinct. I believe the conclusion was >> that there was no danger and that in fact second and third generation >> immigrants tend to have little ability to speak their parents' language. >> >> >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:22:53 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:40:37 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > Frog Prince wrote: > >> "David Dean" >> >> | >> | > then again, once kids hear things, they're curious, and they want to >> | > know what those things mean. They're likely to find out sooner than >> | > their psychological and emotional tools can handle well. >> | >> | Curiosity is a good thing, you have to manage risk. If they're not >> | ready for something, don't go into detail. >> | >> | > You can expose your kid to crap if you want to, but I'd prefer to >> allow >> | > my child to have a childhood, and grow up to be a healthy adult. >> | >> | I can shield my child from crap without restricting free speech. I >> | don't think that a child who isn't allowed to explore the world will >> | grow up to be a healthy adult. >> >> David, curious how many kids do you have and what are their ages? >> >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:22:56 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:40:41 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: there is a saving grace to Bill Gates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > Frog Prince wrote: > >> "Indigo" >> >> | > Or who do give away to charity only after making sure they don't have >> | > to pay taxes. >> | > >> | >> | If you have to pay taxes on your donation, by definition you are not >> | donating to a "charity". >> >> No but proper accounting can give the donor one h*ll of a way to avoid >> tax >> on the rest of the income. This was one of the reasons for the Alternate >> Minimum Tax. >> >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:22:59 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:40:44 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: McDonald's outsourcing drive-thru joba In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > Frog Prince wrote: > >> "Sylvesterthekat" >> >> | >> | > Well, not only that, but why do the call centers even need to be in >> | > North Dakota. How about India, China, or somewhere else. Let's go >> | > sub-minimum wage here. Each restaurant would just get a printout >> of the >> | > orders as they come in. >> | >> | That was my thought. Maybe they just didn't want to go to the bother of >> | ensuring that those Indians or Chinese could actually speak English. >> >> Ever been to McD's in Texas, L.A. or N.Y. FIWI I've had better English >> usage from the McDonaldos in Tokyo ... >> >> I dounbt if many could tell the difference. >> >> >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:23:02 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:40:48 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Unintended Consequences In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > Frog Prince wrote: > >> "Sylvesterthekat" >> >> | > Now that's where I draw the line. Saying "either go be a hooker >> or lose >> | > unemployment benefits" is a bit much, IMHO. Now, if the women >> refuse a >> | > non-sexual, "common" job, then that's a different story. *shrugs* >> Just >> | > me, I guess. >> | >> | Indeed, that's just plain wrong and probably violates some of the EU's >> | policies on human rights. So they're going to have to fix the law. It's >> | badly written obviously and is just a gift to these brothels who can >> now >> get >> | taxpayers' money by suing. I doubt in fact that women out of work who >> refuse >> | the jobs would have their benefits withdrawn but you can bet yer fur >> that >> if >> | they can the brothels are gonna screw money out of the system since >> they're >> | so practiced at the art of screwing! >> >> Prostitution has been legal in Nevada for a long time. I wonder why >> the NV >> employment security hasn't stumbled on that 'trick' ... yet? (D&R) >> >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:23:04 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:40:53 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > Frog Prince wrote: > >> "Spamvireslayer" >> >> | > ...and let's say you have three kids to support and were holding down >> | > three poor-paying part-time jobs just to keep food on the table. Like >> | > you'd have the time. Riiiiiight. >> | >> | Might even be able to get a better paying job if learned to speak the >> language. >> >> Don't bet on it. I have personal knowledge of one case where a single >> mon >> also working three jobs has three kids (she is a native English >> speaker) and >> one kid need special medical treatment. She took off time to attend >> to that >> need and was gated for missing work. (the official reason was not so >> stated >> but that was the cause). (there's more to the story but that data >> would not >> make any difference to this discussion) >> >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:23:07 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:40:56 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > Frog Prince wrote: > >> "Indigo" >> >> | >> Asian immigrants seem to do it quite easily......they have a >> | >> stronger work ethic or they know the way to success is to learn how >> | >> to communicate in the common language? >> | > >> | > Could it be because when they arrive here that Asians are coming from >> | > a higher social strata? Or perhaps because English is taught in their >> | > schools? >> | >> | Possibly, but I doubt you could claim that for the large majority of >> Asian >> | immigrants. From what I've read the difference is that the Asian >> cultures >> | tend to have very good self-support groups, i.e. they pool money to >> help >> | each other open small businesses. >> >> Asians provide translation services as well. FWIW lower income Asians do >> not have any greater English skills than low income Hispanics. (At least >> from my experience in Texas and NC. >> >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:23:09 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:40:59 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > Frog Prince wrote: > >> "Tim McGraw" >> >> | >>>Asian immigrants seem to do it quite easily......they have a >> | >>>stronger work ethic or they know the way to success is to learn how >> | >>>to communicate in the common language? >> | >> >> | >>Could it be because when they arrive here that Asians are coming from >> | >>a higher social strata? Or perhaps because English is taught in their >> | >>schools? >> | > >> | > Possibly, but I doubt you could claim that for the large majority of >> Asian >> | > immigrants. From what I've read the difference is that the Asian >> cultures >> | > tend to have very good self-support groups, i.e. they pool money >> to help >> | > each other open small businesses. >> | >> | You may be right, but were I a betting man I'd also lay money on more >> | Asians already knowing the language when they get here over >> | Spanish-speaking people. >> >> If you limit your bet to low income of both groups ... you lose. >> | >> >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:23:12 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:41:01 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Those who do not learn from history... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > JerryMouse wrote: > >> Borgholio wrote: >> >>> While I'm glad the people of Iraq got out and voted, the instant I >>> read the full article the other day, I knew there would be trouble. A >>> fast majority of the Sunnis boycotted the election. That means >>> when the votes are tallied and the government takes power, the Sunnis >>> will complain that they were ignored, the government will say "You >>> had your chance and you chose to boycott." The Sunnis will then >>> conveniently forgot that they boycotted the election of their own >>> free will, scream corruption, and a civil war will begin. The >>> legitimate government will ask for our help to restore order...you >>> get the picture. >> >> >> >> What he said. They did it to us in 1864 and we've never forgotten. >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:24:12 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:41:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: McDonald's outsourcing drive-thru joba In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > Bert Driehuis wrote: > >> Sylvesterthekat wrote: >> >>> ROFL, I assume you're joking here since the benefits of metric over >>> imperial >>> are so huge that it's LONG past due that the US changed over. I mean, >>> you >>> have a decimal monetary system, why not go the whole hog? >> >> >> >> I never expected a serious reply to my post. I thought my plea for 12 >> cent dimes was a dead giveaway :-) >> >> The Oregon DOT has seen the light. I stopped at the construction site >> of the Crooked River Bridge in 1999 (now finished, see >> http://www.structurae.net/structures/data/index.cfm?ID=s0004513) and >> found a placard titled "What are all these funny numbers?" It went on >> to explain that contractors bidding on the project were required to >> use Metric. A (very brief!) footnote mentioned the (then) three >> countries in the world that didn't at least nominally switch to Metric. >> >>> Do you REALLY believe that the Chinese would be at all hampered by >>> having to >>> do things in imperial measurements? They're clever enough to have >>> overcome >>> much bigger obstacles than that! >> >> >> >> The Chinese, like the rest of the world, have a cost issue with the >> requirement to keep stock in both metric and imperial sizes. But >> because labor is cheap there, they're not half as affected. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:26:24 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:41:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Unintended Consequences In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > Heidi wrote: > >> Sylvesterthekat wrote: >> >>> "Pete Stephenson" wrote in message >>> news:pete+usenet-550B0D.18070630012005@news.cesmail.net... >>> > Now that's where I draw the line. Saying "either go be a hooker or >>> lose >>> >>>> unemployment benefits" is a bit much, IMHO. Now, if the women refuse a >>>> non-sexual, "common" job, then that's a different story. *shrugs* Just >>>> me, I guess. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Indeed, that's just plain wrong and probably violates some of the EU's >>> policies on human rights. So they're going to have to fix the law. It's >>> badly written obviously and is just a gift to these brothels who can >>> now get >>> taxpayers' money by suing. I doubt in fact that women out of work who >>> refuse >>> the jobs would have their benefits withdrawn but you can bet yer fur >>> that if >>> they can the brothels are gonna screw money out of the system since >>> they're >>> so practiced at the art of screwing! >>> >>> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:26:30 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:41:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: McDonald's outsourcing drive-thru joba In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > Heidi wrote: > >> Sylvesterthekat wrote: >> >>> "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message >>> news:ctl4nr$d1e$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> >>> >>>> Well, not only that, but why do the call centers even need to be in >>>> North Dakota. How about India, China, or somewhere else. Let's go >>>> sub-minimum wage here. Each restaurant would just get a printout of >>>> the >>>> orders as they come in. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> That was my thought. Maybe they just didn't want to go to the bother of >>> ensuring that those Indians or Chinese could actually speak English. >>> >>> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:26:33 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:41:15 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paging Heidi/Spamvireslayer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > Heidi wrote: > >> Indigo wrote: >> >>> Sylvesterthekat wrote: >>> >>>> "Indigo" wrote in message >>>> news:ctlnak$mru$1@news.spamcop.net... >>>> >>>>> Email me please, tried to send you something yesterday and it >>>>> bounced. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hey round of applause there dude, I reckon you know what you've done! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Shaddup...... >>> >>> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:27:38 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:41:19 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Whizzing your way to freedom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: > >> Finally, some news that affects real people! >> >> Man Pees Way Out of Avalanche >> January 30th, 2005 >> >> A Slovak man trapped in his car under an avalanche freed himself by >> drinking 60 bottles of beer and urinating on the snow to melt it. >> >> Rescue teams found Richard Kral drunk and staggering along a mountain >> path four days after his Audi car was buried in the Slovak Tatra >> mountains. >> >> http://www.outdoornewswire.com/v/current/htdocs/etc/sa.php/63617465676f72794e616d653d536b69696e672663617465676f72794c6162656c3d536b69696e67266c6f636174696f6e3d323030352f30312f313130373134303437362672737349643d323936 >> >> >> or >> >> http://tinyurl.com/6f7av >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:27:46 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:41:21 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Whizzing your way to freedom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Spamvireslayer wrote: > >> Tim McGraw wrote: >> >>> Finally, some news that affects real people! >>> >>> Man Pees Way Out of Avalanche >>> January 30th, 2005 >>> >>> A Slovak man trapped in his car under an avalanche freed himself by >>> drinking 60 bottles of beer and urinating on the snow to melt it. >>> >>> Rescue teams found Richard Kral drunk and staggering along a mountain >>> path four days after his Audi car was buried in the Slovak Tatra >>> mountains. >>> >>> http://www.outdoornewswire.com/v/current/htdocs/etc/sa.php/63617465676f72794e616d653d536b69696e672663617465676f72794c6162656c3d536b69696e67266c6f636174696f6e3d323030352f30312f313130373134303437362672737349643d323936 >>> >>> >>> or >>> >>> http://tinyurl.com/6f7av >>> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:27:52 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:41:22 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Whizzing your way to freedom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Heidi wrote: > >> Spamvireslayer wrote: >> >>> Tim McGraw wrote: >>> >>>> Finally, some news that affects real people! >>>> >>>> Man Pees Way Out of Avalanche >>>> January 30th, 2005 >>>> >>>> A Slovak man trapped in his car under an avalanche freed himself by >>>> drinking 60 bottles of beer and urinating on the snow to melt it. >>>> >>>> Rescue teams found Richard Kral drunk and staggering along a >>>> mountain path four days after his Audi car was buried in the Slovak >>>> Tatra mountains. >>>> >>>> http://www.outdoornewswire.com/v/current/htdocs/etc/sa.php/63617465676f72794e616d653d536b69696e672663617465676f72794c6162656c3d536b69696e67266c6f636174696f6e3d323030352f30312f313130373134303437362672737349643d323936 >>>> >>>> >>>> or >>>> >>>> http://tinyurl.com/6f7av >>>> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:28:10 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:41:24 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Whizzing your way to freedom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Heidi wrote: > >> Heidi wrote: >> >>> Spamvireslayer wrote: >>> >>>> Tim McGraw wrote: >>>> >>>>> Finally, some news that affects real people! >>>>> >>>>> Man Pees Way Out of Avalanche >>>>> January 30th, 2005 >>>>> >>>>> A Slovak man trapped in his car under an avalanche freed himself by >>>>> drinking 60 bottles of beer and urinating on the snow to melt it. >>>>> >>>>> Rescue teams found Richard Kral drunk and staggering along a >>>>> mountain path four days after his Audi car was buried in the Slovak >>>>> Tatra mountains. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.outdoornewswire.com/v/current/htdocs/etc/sa.php/63617465676f72794e616d653d536b69696e672663617465676f72794c6162656c3d536b69696e67266c6f636174696f6e3d323030352f30312f313130373134303437362672737349643d323936 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> or >>>>> >>>>> http://tinyurl.com/6f7av >>>>> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:28:25 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:41:26 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Whizzing your way to freedom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > Finally, some news that affects real people! > > Man Pees Way Out of Avalanche > January 30th, 2005 > > A Slovak man trapped in his car under an avalanche freed himself by > drinking 60 bottles of beer and urinating on the snow to melt it. > > Rescue teams found Richard Kral drunk and staggering along a mountain > path four days after his Audi car was buried in the Slovak Tatra mountains. > > http://www.outdoornewswire.com/v/current/htdocs/etc/sa.php/63617465676f72794e616d653d536b69696e672663617465676f72794c6162656c3d536b69696e67266c6f636174696f6e3d323030352f30312f313130373134303437362672737349643d323936 > > > or > > http://tinyurl.com/6f7av > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:28:28 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:41:27 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Whizzing your way to freedom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > Finally, some news that affects real people! > > Man Pees Way Out of Avalanche > January 30th, 2005 > > A Slovak man trapped in his car under an avalanche freed himself by > drinking 60 bottles of beer and urinating on the snow to melt it. > > Rescue teams found Richard Kral drunk and staggering along a mountain > path four days after his Audi car was buried in the Slovak Tatra mountains. > > http://www.outdoornewswire.com/v/current/htdocs/etc/sa.php/63617465676f72794e616d653d536b69696e672663617465676f72794c6162656c3d536b69696e67266c6f636174696f6e3d323030352f30312f313130373134303437362672737349643d323936 > > > or > > http://tinyurl.com/6f7av > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:28:30 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:41:29 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Whizzing your way to freedom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > Finally, some news that affects real people! > > Man Pees Way Out of Avalanche > January 30th, 2005 > > A Slovak man trapped in his car under an avalanche freed himself by > drinking 60 bottles of beer and urinating on the snow to melt it. > > Rescue teams found Richard Kral drunk and staggering along a mountain > path four days after his Audi car was buried in the Slovak Tatra mountains. > > http://www.outdoornewswire.com/v/current/htdocs/etc/sa.php/63617465676f72794e616d653d536b69696e672663617465676f72794c6162656c3d536b69696e67266c6f636174696f6e3d323030352f30312f313130373134303437362672737349643d323936 > > > or > > http://tinyurl.com/6f7av > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:28:32 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:41:30 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Whizzing your way to freedom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > Finally, some news that affects real people! > > Man Pees Way Out of Avalanche > January 30th, 2005 > > A Slovak man trapped in his car under an avalanche freed himself by > drinking 60 bottles of beer and urinating on the snow to melt it. > > Rescue teams found Richard Kral drunk and staggering along a mountain > path four days after his Audi car was buried in the Slovak Tatra mountains. > > http://www.outdoornewswire.com/v/current/htdocs/etc/sa.php/63617465676f72794e616d653d536b69696e672663617465676f72794c6162656c3d536b69696e67266c6f636174696f6e3d323030352f30312f313130373134303437362672737349643d323936 > > > or > > http://tinyurl.com/6f7av > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:28:35 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:41:32 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Whizzing your way to freedom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > Finally, some news that affects real people! > > Man Pees Way Out of Avalanche > January 30th, 2005 > > A Slovak man trapped in his car under an avalanche freed himself by > drinking 60 bottles of beer and urinating on the snow to melt it. > > Rescue teams found Richard Kral drunk and staggering along a mountain > path four days after his Audi car was buried in the Slovak Tatra mountains. > > http://www.outdoornewswire.com/v/current/htdocs/etc/sa.php/63617465676f72794e616d653d536b69696e672663617465676f72794c6162656c3d536b69696e67266c6f636174696f6e3d323030352f30312f313130373134303437362672737349643d323936 > > > or > > http://tinyurl.com/6f7av > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:28:38 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:41:33 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Whizzing your way to freedom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > Finally, some news that affects real people! > > Man Pees Way Out of Avalanche > January 30th, 2005 > > A Slovak man trapped in his car under an avalanche freed himself by > drinking 60 bottles of beer and urinating on the snow to melt it. > > Rescue teams found Richard Kral drunk and staggering along a mountain > path four days after his Audi car was buried in the Slovak Tatra mountains. > > http://www.outdoornewswire.com/v/current/htdocs/etc/sa.php/63617465676f72794e616d653d536b69696e672663617465676f72794c6162656c3d536b69696e67266c6f636174696f6e3d323030352f30312f313130373134303437362672737349643d323936 > > > or > > http://tinyurl.com/6f7av > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:28:40 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:41:35 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Whizzing your way to freedom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > Finally, some news that affects real people! > > Man Pees Way Out of Avalanche > January 30th, 2005 > > A Slovak man trapped in his car under an avalanche freed himself by > drinking 60 bottles of beer and urinating on the snow to melt it. > > Rescue teams found Richard Kral drunk and staggering along a mountain > path four days after his Audi car was buried in the Slovak Tatra mountains. > > http://www.outdoornewswire.com/v/current/htdocs/etc/sa.php/63617465676f72794e616d653d536b69696e672663617465676f72794c6162656c3d536b69696e67266c6f636174696f6e3d323030352f30312f313130373134303437362672737349643d323936 > > > or > > http://tinyurl.com/6f7av > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:29:05 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:41:37 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Whizzing your way to freedom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: > >> Finally, some news that affects real people! >> >> Man Pees Way Out of Avalanche >> January 30th, 2005 >> >> A Slovak man trapped in his car under an avalanche freed himself by >> drinking 60 bottles of beer and urinating on the snow to melt it. >> >> Rescue teams found Richard Kral drunk and staggering along a mountain >> path four days after his Audi car was buried in the Slovak Tatra >> mountains. >> >> http://www.outdoornewswire.com/v/current/htdocs/etc/sa.php/63617465676f72794e616d653d536b69696e672663617465676f72794c6162656c3d536b69696e67266c6f636174696f6e3d323030352f30312f313130373134303437362672737349643d323936 >> >> >> or >> >> http://tinyurl.com/6f7av >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:29:10 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:41:38 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Whizzing your way to freedom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: > >> Finally, some news that affects real people! >> >> Man Pees Way Out of Avalanche >> January 30th, 2005 >> >> A Slovak man trapped in his car under an avalanche freed himself by >> drinking 60 bottles of beer and urinating on the snow to melt it. >> >> Rescue teams found Richard Kral drunk and staggering along a mountain >> path four days after his Audi car was buried in the Slovak Tatra >> mountains. >> >> http://www.outdoornewswire.com/v/current/htdocs/etc/sa.php/63617465676f72794e616d653d536b69696e672663617465676f72794c6162656c3d536b69696e67266c6f636174696f6e3d323030352f30312f313130373134303437362672737349643d323936 >> >> >> or >> >> http://tinyurl.com/6f7av >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:29:14 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:41:40 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Whizzing your way to freedom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: > >> Finally, some news that affects real people! >> >> Man Pees Way Out of Avalanche >> January 30th, 2005 >> >> A Slovak man trapped in his car under an avalanche freed himself by >> drinking 60 bottles of beer and urinating on the snow to melt it. >> >> Rescue teams found Richard Kral drunk and staggering along a mountain >> path four days after his Audi car was buried in the Slovak Tatra >> mountains. >> >> http://www.outdoornewswire.com/v/current/htdocs/etc/sa.php/63617465676f72794e616d653d536b69696e672663617465676f72794c6162656c3d536b69696e67266c6f636174696f6e3d323030352f30312f313130373134303437362672737349643d323936 >> >> >> or >> >> http://tinyurl.com/6f7av >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:29:19 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:41:42 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Whizzing your way to freedom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: > >> Finally, some news that affects real people! >> >> Man Pees Way Out of Avalanche >> January 30th, 2005 >> >> A Slovak man trapped in his car under an avalanche freed himself by >> drinking 60 bottles of beer and urinating on the snow to melt it. >> >> Rescue teams found Richard Kral drunk and staggering along a mountain >> path four days after his Audi car was buried in the Slovak Tatra >> mountains. >> >> http://www.outdoornewswire.com/v/current/htdocs/etc/sa.php/63617465676f72794e616d653d536b69696e672663617465676f72794c6162656c3d536b69696e67266c6f636174696f6e3d323030352f30312f313130373134303437362672737349643d323936 >> >> >> or >> >> http://tinyurl.com/6f7av >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:29:22 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:41:44 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Whizzing your way to freedom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: > >> Finally, some news that affects real people! >> >> Man Pees Way Out of Avalanche >> January 30th, 2005 >> >> A Slovak man trapped in his car under an avalanche freed himself by >> drinking 60 bottles of beer and urinating on the snow to melt it. >> >> Rescue teams found Richard Kral drunk and staggering along a mountain >> path four days after his Audi car was buried in the Slovak Tatra >> mountains. >> >> http://www.outdoornewswire.com/v/current/htdocs/etc/sa.php/63617465676f72794e616d653d536b69696e672663617465676f72794c6162656c3d536b69696e67266c6f636174696f6e3d323030352f30312f313130373134303437362672737349643d323936 >> >> >> or >> >> http://tinyurl.com/6f7av >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:29:27 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:41:45 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Whizzing your way to freedom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: > >> Finally, some news that affects real people! >> >> Man Pees Way Out of Avalanche >> January 30th, 2005 >> >> A Slovak man trapped in his car under an avalanche freed himself by >> drinking 60 bottles of beer and urinating on the snow to melt it. >> >> Rescue teams found Richard Kral drunk and staggering along a mountain >> path four days after his Audi car was buried in the Slovak Tatra >> mountains. >> >> http://www.outdoornewswire.com/v/current/htdocs/etc/sa.php/63617465676f72794e616d653d536b69696e672663617465676f72794c6162656c3d536b69696e67266c6f636174696f6e3d323030352f30312f313130373134303437362672737349643d323936 >> >> >> or >> >> http://tinyurl.com/6f7av >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:29:31 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:41:47 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Whizzing your way to freedom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: > >> Finally, some news that affects real people! >> >> Man Pees Way Out of Avalanche >> January 30th, 2005 >> >> A Slovak man trapped in his car under an avalanche freed himself by >> drinking 60 bottles of beer and urinating on the snow to melt it. >> >> Rescue teams found Richard Kral drunk and staggering along a mountain >> path four days after his Audi car was buried in the Slovak Tatra >> mountains. >> >> http://www.outdoornewswire.com/v/current/htdocs/etc/sa.php/63617465676f72794e616d653d536b69696e672663617465676f72794c6162656c3d536b69696e67266c6f636174696f6e3d323030352f30312f313130373134303437362672737349643d323936 >> >> >> or >> >> http://tinyurl.com/6f7av >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:30:02 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:41:49 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paging Heidi/Spamvireslayer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Indigo" wrote in message > news:ctme3j$8t6$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>Sylvesterthekat wrote: >> >>>"Indigo" wrote in message >>>news:ctlnak$mru$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> >>>>Email me please, tried to send you something yesterday and it >>>>bounced. >>> >>>Hey round of applause there dude, I reckon you know what you've done! >> >>Shaddup...... > > > LOL. I can see you're fully aware of your crimes. > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:30:06 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:41:51 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paging Heidi/Spamvireslayer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Indigo" wrote in message > news:ctme3j$8t6$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>Sylvesterthekat wrote: >> >>>"Indigo" wrote in message >>>news:ctlnak$mru$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> >>>>Email me please, tried to send you something yesterday and it >>>>bounced. >>> >>>Hey round of applause there dude, I reckon you know what you've done! >> >>Shaddup...... > > > LOL. I can see you're fully aware of your crimes. > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:30:10 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:41:52 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paging Heidi/Spamvireslayer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Indigo" wrote in message > news:ctme3j$8t6$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>Sylvesterthekat wrote: >> >>>"Indigo" wrote in message >>>news:ctlnak$mru$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> >>>>Email me please, tried to send you something yesterday and it >>>>bounced. >>> >>>Hey round of applause there dude, I reckon you know what you've done! >> >>Shaddup...... > > > LOL. I can see you're fully aware of your crimes. > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:30:14 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:41:54 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paging Heidi/Spamvireslayer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Indigo" wrote in message > news:ctme3j$8t6$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>Sylvesterthekat wrote: >> >>>"Indigo" wrote in message >>>news:ctlnak$mru$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> >>>>Email me please, tried to send you something yesterday and it >>>>bounced. >>> >>>Hey round of applause there dude, I reckon you know what you've done! >> >>Shaddup...... > > > LOL. I can see you're fully aware of your crimes. > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:30:17 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:41:56 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paging Heidi/Spamvireslayer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Indigo" wrote in message > news:ctme3j$8t6$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>Sylvesterthekat wrote: >> >>>"Indigo" wrote in message >>>news:ctlnak$mru$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> >>>>Email me please, tried to send you something yesterday and it >>>>bounced. >>> >>>Hey round of applause there dude, I reckon you know what you've done! >> >>Shaddup...... > > > LOL. I can see you're fully aware of your crimes. > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:30:20 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:41:58 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paging Heidi/Spamvireslayer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Indigo" wrote in message > news:ctme3j$8t6$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>Sylvesterthekat wrote: >> >>>"Indigo" wrote in message >>>news:ctlnak$mru$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> >>>>Email me please, tried to send you something yesterday and it >>>>bounced. >>> >>>Hey round of applause there dude, I reckon you know what you've done! >> >>Shaddup...... > > > LOL. I can see you're fully aware of your crimes. > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:30:23 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:41:59 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paging Heidi/Spamvireslayer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Indigo" wrote in message > news:ctme3j$8t6$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>Sylvesterthekat wrote: >> >>>"Indigo" wrote in message >>>news:ctlnak$mru$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> >>>>Email me please, tried to send you something yesterday and it >>>>bounced. >>> >>>Hey round of applause there dude, I reckon you know what you've done! >> >>Shaddup...... > > > LOL. I can see you're fully aware of your crimes. > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:30:33 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:42:01 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paging Heidi/Spamvireslayer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Indigo" wrote in message > news:ctme3j$8t6$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>Sylvesterthekat wrote: >> >>>"Indigo" wrote in message >>>news:ctlnak$mru$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> >>>>Email me please, tried to send you something yesterday and it >>>>bounced. >>> >>>Hey round of applause there dude, I reckon you know what you've done! >> >>Shaddup...... > > > LOL. I can see you're fully aware of your crimes. > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:30:39 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:42:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paging Heidi/Spamvireslayer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Indigo" wrote in message > news:ctme3j$8t6$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>Sylvesterthekat wrote: >> >>>"Indigo" wrote in message >>>news:ctlnak$mru$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> >>>>Email me please, tried to send you something yesterday and it >>>>bounced. >>> >>>Hey round of applause there dude, I reckon you know what you've done! >> >>Shaddup...... > > > LOL. I can see you're fully aware of your crimes. > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:33:14 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:42:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tupac Resurrection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > Heidi wrote: > >> DC wrote: >> >>> This has been playing on cable so I checked it out. I never followed >>> his >>> career but turns out he was a bit deeper and better versed than the >>> press >>> indicated. >>> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:33:31 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:42:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Moyers on the End Times In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > JerryMouse wrote: > >> Moyers claims some believe that the sooner the earth is denuded of >> natural resources, the sooner the "Rapture," in which believing >> Christians are taken up to heaven, will take place. Further, since the >> government has been taken over, virtually, by these right-wing >> fundamentalists, obviously they intend to use the powers of government >> to destroy the environment, thereby hastening the day. >> >> Moyers must be really upset, because he made so ghastly blunders in >> his article. Here's one: >> >> "The only Democrat to score 100 percent with the Christian coalition >> was Sen. Zell Miller of Georgia, who recently quoted from the biblical >> book of Amos on the Senate floor: "The days will come, sayeth the Lord >> God, that I will send a famine in the land." He seemed to be relishing >> the thought." >> >> It wasn't 'recently,' it was a year ago (Feb 12th, 2004). At the time, >> Miller was quoting one of Martin Luther King's speeches. Not Dr. King >> or Senator Miller or the prophet Amos were referring to a literal >> "famine" that Moyers fears. The next sentence in the Book of Amos is: >> "Not a famine for bread or thirst for water, but of hearing the word >> of the Lord." >> >> Anyway, here's Moyers article: >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/013105F.shtml >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:33:39 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:42:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Moyers on the End Times In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > Heidi wrote: > >> JerryMouse wrote: >> >>> Moyers claims some believe that the sooner the earth is denuded of >>> natural resources, the sooner the "Rapture," in which believing >>> Christians are taken up to heaven, will take place. Further, since >>> the government has been taken over, virtually, by these right-wing >>> fundamentalists, obviously they intend to use the powers of >>> government to destroy the environment, thereby hastening the day. >>> >>> Moyers must be really upset, because he made so ghastly blunders in >>> his article. Here's one: >>> >>> "The only Democrat to score 100 percent with the Christian coalition >>> was Sen. Zell Miller of Georgia, who recently quoted from the >>> biblical book of Amos on the Senate floor: "The days will come, >>> sayeth the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land." He >>> seemed to be relishing the thought." >>> >>> It wasn't 'recently,' it was a year ago (Feb 12th, 2004). At the >>> time, Miller was quoting one of Martin Luther King's speeches. Not >>> Dr. King or Senator Miller or the prophet Amos were referring to a >>> literal "famine" that Moyers fears. The next sentence in the Book of >>> Amos is: "Not a famine for bread or thirst for water, but of hearing >>> the word of the Lord." >>> >>> Anyway, here's Moyers article: >>> http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/013105F.shtml >>> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:33:49 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:42:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Moyers on the End Times In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: > >> JerryMouse wrote: >> >>> Moyers claims some believe that the sooner the earth is denuded of >>> natural resources, the sooner the "Rapture," in which believing >>> Christians are taken up to heaven, will take place. Further, since >>> the government has been taken over, virtually, by these right-wing >>> fundamentalists, obviously they intend to use the powers of >>> government to destroy the environment, thereby hastening the day. >>> >>> Moyers must be really upset, because he made so ghastly blunders in >>> his article. Here's one: >>> >>> "The only Democrat to score 100 percent with the Christian coalition >>> was Sen. Zell Miller of Georgia, who recently quoted from the >>> biblical book of Amos on the Senate floor: "The days will come, >>> sayeth the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land." He >>> seemed to be relishing the thought." >>> >>> It wasn't 'recently,' it was a year ago (Feb 12th, 2004). At the >>> time, Miller was quoting one of Martin Luther King's speeches. Not >>> Dr. King or Senator Miller or the prophet Amos were referring to a >>> literal "famine" that Moyers fears. The next sentence in the Book of >>> Amos is: "Not a famine for bread or thirst for water, but of hearing >>> the word of the Lord." >>> >>> Anyway, here's Moyers article: >>> http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/013105F.shtml >> >> >> >> A very minor point in an otherwise very factual article. >> >> Besides, what Christian has ever read the Book of Amos? It's not in >> the Christian Old Testament. >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:34:11 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:42:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Moyers on the End Times Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:34:26 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:42:15 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Those who do not learn from history... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > D.F. Manno wrote: > >>> U.S. Encouraged by ... Vote : >>> Officials Cite 83% Turnout Despite ... Terror >>> >>> by Peter Grose, Special to the New York Times >>> >>> WASHINGTON -- United States officials were surprised and heartened >>> today at the size of turnout in... election despite a ... terrorist >>> campaign to disrupt the voting. >>> >>> According to reports from ..., 83 per cent of the 5.85 million >>> registered voters cast their ballots yesterday. Many of them risked >>> reprisals threatened by the .... >>> >>> The size of the popular vote and the inability of the ... to destroy >>> the election machinery were the two salient facts in a preliminary >>> assessment of the nation election based on the incomplete returns >>> reaching here. ... >> >> >> >> Sound familiar? It's not from today's paper. It's from the Times for 4 >> Sept 1967. The ellipses should be filled in with "South Vietnam" or >> "Vietcong," as appropriate. >> >> For the rest of the article and commentary: >> >> ,http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/31/2335/87390> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:40:31 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:45:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Indigo" > > | >> Asian immigrants seem to do it quite easily......they have a > | >> stronger work ethic or they know the way to success is to learn how > | >> to communicate in the common language? > | > > | > Could it be because when they arrive here that Asians are coming from > | > a higher social strata? Or perhaps because English is taught in their > | > schools? > | > | Possibly, but I doubt you could claim that for the large majority of Asian > | immigrants. From what I've read the difference is that the Asian cultures > | tend to have very good self-support groups, i.e. they pool money to help > | each other open small businesses. > > Asians provide translation services as well. FWIW lower income Asians do > not have any greater English skills than low income Hispanics. (At least > from my experience in Texas and NC. > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:40:37 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:45:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Spamvireslayer" > > | > ...and let's say you have three kids to support and were holding down > | > three poor-paying part-time jobs just to keep food on the table. Like > | > you'd have the time. Riiiiiight. > | > | Might even be able to get a better paying job if learned to speak the > language. > > Don't bet on it. I have personal knowledge of one case where a single mon > also working three jobs has three kids (she is a native English speaker) and > one kid need special medical treatment. She took off time to attend to that > need and was gated for missing work. (the official reason was not so stated > but that was the cause). (there's more to the story but that data would not > make any difference to this discussion) > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:40:42 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:45:17 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Unintended Consequences In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Sylvesterthekat" > > | > Now that's where I draw the line. Saying "either go be a hooker or lose > | > unemployment benefits" is a bit much, IMHO. Now, if the women refuse a > | > non-sexual, "common" job, then that's a different story. *shrugs* Just > | > me, I guess. > | > | Indeed, that's just plain wrong and probably violates some of the EU's > | policies on human rights. So they're going to have to fix the law. It's > | badly written obviously and is just a gift to these brothels who can now > get > | taxpayers' money by suing. I doubt in fact that women out of work who > refuse > | the jobs would have their benefits withdrawn but you can bet yer fur that > if > | they can the brothels are gonna screw money out of the system since > they're > | so practiced at the art of screwing! > > Prostitution has been legal in Nevada for a long time. I wonder why the NV > employment security hasn't stumbled on that 'trick' ... yet? (D&R) > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:40:46 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:45:21 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: there is a saving grace to Bill Gates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Indigo" > > | > Or who do give away to charity only after making sure they don't have > | > to pay taxes. > | > > | > | If you have to pay taxes on your donation, by definition you are not > | donating to a "charity". > > No but proper accounting can give the donor one h*ll of a way to avoid tax > on the rest of the income. This was one of the reasons for the Alternate > Minimum Tax. > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:40:51 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:45:25 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: McDonald's outsourcing drive-thru joba In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Sylvesterthekat" > > | > | > Well, not only that, but why do the call centers even need to be in > | > North Dakota. How about India, China, or somewhere else. Let's go > | > sub-minimum wage here. Each restaurant would just get a printout of the > | > orders as they come in. > | > | That was my thought. Maybe they just didn't want to go to the bother of > | ensuring that those Indians or Chinese could actually speak English. > > Ever been to McD's in Texas, L.A. or N.Y. FIWI I've had better English > usage from the McDonaldos in Tokyo ... > > I dounbt if many could tell the difference. > > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:40:53 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:45:29 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "David Dean" > > | > | > then again, once kids hear things, they're curious, and they want to > | > know what those things mean. They're likely to find out sooner than > | > their psychological and emotional tools can handle well. > | > | Curiosity is a good thing, you have to manage risk. If they're not > | ready for something, don't go into detail. > | > | > You can expose your kid to crap if you want to, but I'd prefer to allow > | > my child to have a childhood, and grow up to be a healthy adult. > | > | I can shield my child from crap without restricting free speech. I > | don't think that a child who isn't allowed to explore the world will > | grow up to be a healthy adult. > > David, curious how many kids do you have and what are their ages? > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:40:56 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:45:31 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "David Dean" > | > | > Not that I hesitated to answer them but I > | > did not have sufficient simple words to fully explain the answers. > | > | You don't have to explain in detail. The dildo can be explained as a > | tool. > > The real question is why anyone should have the need to explain the use and > application of a sexual device to a child that will not have > need/opportunity to use said device until the child is much much older. > > Like irrational numbers there is a time and an age for certain explanations. > > | > Come to think this may be one of the reasons that many parents have > | > problems with the prospect of explaining why 'X has two mommies'. > | > | That is also simple. Families are different because mommies and > | daddies choose to be together. There are so many people different kinds > | of people in the world, sometimes people pick other people that other > | people wouldn't. > | Do you have trouble explaining why some people are different colors, > | or why some people's children are different color than their parents? A > | parent's lack of imagination should not be a reason to restrict free > | speech. > > I did not imply that I had a problem explaining the process but the need for > the explanation *may* be one of the reason many parents have problems with > the educational system including the information as part of the course of > study. > > | > As to leaving a nine year old unsupervised: a child will learn only if > give > | > the freedom to expand his mistakes. > | > | Well, you have to decide how you mete out that freedom... > | > | > Even kids who have one on one nannies > | > cannot be watched 24/7. > | > | I never said they had to be. I think that a parent should know what > | choices are available to their children, what the risks are, and make > | decisions as to what risks they should be allowed to take. Leaving a kid > | that young alone with a radio long enough to listen to Howard Stern > | discuss dildos is not something I would do as a parent. I very much > | doubt that a child that age would purposely seek it out. I also feel > | that the risk of them stumbling onto it on their own by fiddling with > | the dial is pretty unlikely. When I allow my daughter to listen to the > | radio, I will treat it like I do other new devices, and watch her > | carefully the first several times. I will then slowly allow her more > | freedom with it. I will check in with her periodically to see what she > | is listening to. If I were to discover her listening to something > | inappropriate, I would discuss it with her, and probably become more > | strict with the use. > > How do you propose to accomplish that task? I grew up in a much gentler > time (they did not show a married couple in the same bed on TV) and despite > the eagle eyes of a constantly in attendance grand mother I managed to get > into a lot of 'stuff' that was outside the realm of what was age appropart > for me. > > As to controlling the access I can control access to cable TV and I can > control access to the SatRadio system but I cannot control what is broadcast > (and the key word is broadcast) on standard TV and radio. > > By your presumption it should be ok to have graphic examples of the > application of hemorrhoid cream and tampons on live TV. To the extreme we > might be allowed to follow two senior citizens into the clutches of a Viagra > advertisement. I can see it now a full screen of Bob Dole's white wale a** > rising to the moment. Will the audience be treated to the classic porn > 'c-shot'? Will there be a CD of the bloopers? $19.95 plus S&H. > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:41:00 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:45:34 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Those who do not learn from history... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > D.F. Manno wrote: > >>> U.S. Encouraged by ... Vote : >>> Officials Cite 83% Turnout Despite ... Terror >>> >>> by Peter Grose, Special to the New York Times >>> >>> WASHINGTON -- United States officials were surprised and heartened >>> today at the size of turnout in... election despite a ... terrorist >>> campaign to disrupt the voting. >>> >>> According to reports from ..., 83 per cent of the 5.85 million >>> registered voters cast their ballots yesterday. Many of them risked >>> reprisals threatened by the .... >>> >>> The size of the popular vote and the inability of the ... to destroy >>> the election machinery were the two salient facts in a preliminary >>> assessment of the nation election based on the incomplete returns >>> reaching here. ... >> >> >> >> Sound familiar? It's not from today's paper. It's from the Times for 4 >> Sept 1967. The ellipses should be filled in with "South Vietnam" or >> "Vietcong," as appropriate. >> >> For the rest of the article and commentary: >> >> ,http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/31/2335/87390> > > > While I'm glad the people of Iraq got out and voted, the instant I read > the full article the other day, I knew there would be trouble. A fast > majority of the Sunnis boycotted the election. That means when the > votes are tallied and the government takes power, the Sunnis will > complain that they were ignored, the government will say "You had your > chance and you chose to boycott." The Sunnis will then conveniently > forgot that they boycotted the election of their own free will, scream > corruption, and a civil war will begin. The legitimate government will > ask for our help to restore order...you get the picture. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:41:21 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:45:36 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paging Heidi/Spamvireslayer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Indigo" wrote in message > news:ctme3j$8t6$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>Sylvesterthekat wrote: >> >>>"Indigo" wrote in message >>>news:ctlnak$mru$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> >>>>Email me please, tried to send you something yesterday and it >>>>bounced. >>> >>>Hey round of applause there dude, I reckon you know what you've done! >> >>Shaddup...... > > > LOL. I can see you're fully aware of your crimes. > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:41:24 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:45:38 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: McDonald's outsourcing drive-thru joba In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message > news:ctl4nr$d1e$1@news.spamcop.net... > > >>Well, not only that, but why do the call centers even need to be in >>North Dakota. How about India, China, or somewhere else. Let's go >>sub-minimum wage here. Each restaurant would just get a printout of the >>orders as they come in. > > > That was my thought. Maybe they just didn't want to go to the bother of > ensuring that those Indians or Chinese could actually speak English. > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:41:26 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:45:40 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paging Heidi/Spamvireslayer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > >>"Indigo" wrote in message >>news:ctlnak$mru$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >>>Email me please, tried to send you something yesterday and it >>>bounced. >> >>Hey round of applause there dude, I reckon you know what you've done! > > > Shaddup...... > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:41:34 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:45:42 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paging Heidi/Spamvireslayer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > >>"Indigo" wrote in message >>news:ctlnak$mru$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >>>Email me please, tried to send you something yesterday and it >>>bounced. >> >>Hey round of applause there dude, I reckon you know what you've done! > > > Shaddup...... > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:41:37 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:45:44 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: McDonald's outsourcing drive-thru joba In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Bert Driehuis" wrote in message > news:ctkd36$urm$1@news.spamcop.net... > > And worse, all of those foreign cars are manufactured in Metric. That'll > >>put all of the American engineers that can still do calculations in >>Imperial units out of work. >> >>Speaking as a chartered member of the Imperial Units Preservation >>Society, I call upon all noble descendants of the king of England to put >>an end to the rationalization of measurements. Those European nasties >>still haven't copped on to the fact that they're only helping the >>Chinese by standardizing. As if having decimal units would help things. >> >>I ask you, what has become of England since they went decimal with their >> money? Which English child these days knows how much a gross of eggs >>costs in pounds? It is time Americans follow their roots and start a >>grass roots movement to get US currency to implement the twelve-based >>system. > > > ROFL, I assume you're joking here since the benefits of metric over imperial > are so huge that it's LONG past due that the US changed over. I mean, you > have a decimal monetary system, why not go the whole hog? > > Do you REALLY believe that the Chinese would be at all hampered by having to > do things in imperial measurements? They're clever enough to have overcome > much bigger obstacles than that! > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:41:41 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:45:46 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Unintended Consequences In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Pete Stephenson" wrote in message > news:pete+usenet-550B0D.18070630012005@news.cesmail.net... > > Now that's where I draw the line. Saying "either go be a hooker or lose > >>unemployment benefits" is a bit much, IMHO. Now, if the women refuse a >>non-sexual, "common" job, then that's a different story. *shrugs* Just >>me, I guess. > > > Indeed, that's just plain wrong and probably violates some of the EU's > policies on human rights. So they're going to have to fix the law. It's > badly written obviously and is just a gift to these brothels who can now get > taxpayers' money by suing. I doubt in fact that women out of work who refuse > the jobs would have their benefits withdrawn but you can bet yer fur that if > they can the brothels are gonna screw money out of the system since they're > so practiced at the art of screwing! > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:41:43 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:45:48 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Isn't this nice - incompetence is infectious! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message > news:ctlm51$m9g$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1022625,00.html >> >>Less than than two months after former Coalition Provisional Authority > > (CPA) > >>administrator L. Paul Bremer received the Presidential Medal of Freedom, a > > scathing > >>audit by a longtime confidante of George W. Bush is bashing Bremer's > > agency for > >>failing to establish "adequate financial controls," leaving some fiscal > > reporting > >>systems "either weak or non-existent." The audit charges that the CPA left > > large > >>portions of the $8.8 billion Iraqi treasury "open to fraud, kickbacks, and >>misappropriation of funds," according to a draft obtained by TIME. The > > report was > >>written by Stuart Bowen, a lawyer from Texas who became special inspector > > general for > >>Iraq reconstruction. His audit cites Bremer for lax accounting (on one > > payroll, for > >>instance, only 602 of the 8,206 names could be confirmed, with no paper > > trail for the > >>rest of the cash) and inadequate disclosure (the CPA allowed Iraqi > > officials to delay > >>reporting the $2.5 billion the interim government received in oil-for-food > > money last > >>spring). > > > Well no surprises there, this to me is just an example of what typically > goes on under this government. > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:41:46 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:45:50 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paging Heidi/Spamvireslayer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Indigo" wrote in message > news:ctlnak$mru$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>Email me please, tried to send you something yesterday and it bounced. > > > Hey round of applause there dude, I reckon you know what you've done! > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:41:49 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:45:52 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Miss Betsy wrote: > "Tim McGraw" wrote in message > news:ctlvuu$vf3$1@news.spamcop.net... > > >>>Asian immigrants seem to do it quite easily......they have a > > stronger work > >>>ethic or they know the way to success is to learn how to > > communicate in the > >>>common language? >> >>Could it be because when they arrive here that Asians are coming > > from a > >>higher social strata? Or perhaps because English is taught in > > their schools? > > On some PBS program, I heard a man who was definitely for making > Mexican immigrants use English because he had heard a politician in > Mexico say that it was Mexicans patriotic duty NOT to learn > English. Perhaps you can find the link. > > I can remember that there used to be lots of parents, grandparents > who only spoke Italian when I was young. And I know that the > Japanese in Hawaii who don't encourage social intercommunication > and still speak Japanese at home find that when they go to Japan > that they are no longer speaking 'Japanese' - there was a show that > showed signs in Japanese stores saying 'American Japanese Spoken > here' (that was back in the 60's). Also the same PBS show had a > segment on 'spanglish' which many Mexican immigrants speak. IOW, > even with English as a second language and ways of getting > information in Spanish, the ones who stay in the US are probably > going to be learning English unless they never leave the barrios. > > Miss Betsy > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:41:55 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:45:54 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Miss Betsy wrote: > "Tim McGraw" wrote in message > news:ctlvuu$vf3$1@news.spamcop.net... > > >>>Asian immigrants seem to do it quite easily......they have a > > stronger work > >>>ethic or they know the way to success is to learn how to > > communicate in the > >>>common language? >> >>Could it be because when they arrive here that Asians are coming > > from a > >>higher social strata? Or perhaps because English is taught in > > their schools? > > On some PBS program, I heard a man who was definitely for making > Mexican immigrants use English because he had heard a politician in > Mexico say that it was Mexicans patriotic duty NOT to learn > English. Perhaps you can find the link. > > I can remember that there used to be lots of parents, grandparents > who only spoke Italian when I was young. And I know that the > Japanese in Hawaii who don't encourage social intercommunication > and still speak Japanese at home find that when they go to Japan > that they are no longer speaking 'Japanese' - there was a show that > showed signs in Japanese stores saying 'American Japanese Spoken > here' (that was back in the 60's). Also the same PBS show had a > segment on 'spanglish' which many Mexican immigrants speak. IOW, > even with English as a second language and ways of getting > information in Spanish, the ones who stay in the US are probably > going to be learning English unless they never leave the barrios. > > Miss Betsy > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:42:15 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:45:56 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: there is a saving grace to Bill Gates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Spamvireslayer wrote: > >> Indigo wrote: >> >>> Bert Driehuis wrote: >>> >>>> Or who do give away to charity only after making sure they don't have >>>> to pay taxes. >>>> >>> >>> >>> If you have to pay taxes on your donation, by definition you are not >>> donating to a "charity". >>> >>> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:42:26 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:45:59 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paging Heidi/Spamvireslayer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Spamvireslayer wrote: > >> Spamvireslayer wrote: >> >>> Heidi wrote: >>> >>>> Spamvireslayer wrote: >>>> >>>>> Heidi wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Spamvireslayer wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> "Indigo" wrote in message >>>>>>> news:ctlnak$mru$1@news.spamcop.net... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Email me please, tried to send you something yesterday and it >>>>>>>> bounced. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just did.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:42:29 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:46:01 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Spamvireslayer wrote: > >> Tim McGraw wrote: >> >>> Indigo wrote: >>> >>>> Tim McGraw wrote: >>>> >>>>> Spamvireslayer wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Tim McGraw wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> ...and let's say you have three kids to support and were holding >>>>>>> down three poor-paying part-time jobs just to keep food on the >>>>>>> table. Like you'd have the time. Riiiiiight. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Might even be able to get a better paying job if learned to speak >>>>>> the language. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hey, mebbe since such an individual has *all this time* to learn >>>>> another language, why not pick up, say, a master's in EE on the way, >>>>> eh? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Asian immigrants seem to do it quite easily......they have a >>>> stronger work >>>> ethic or they know the way to success is to learn how to communicate >>>> in the >>>> common language? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Could it be because when they arrive here that Asians are coming from >>> a higher social strata? Or perhaps because English is taught in their >>> schools? >>> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:42:32 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:46:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paging Heidi/Spamvireslayer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Spamvireslayer wrote: > >> Spamvireslayer wrote: >> >>> Heidi wrote: >>> >>>> Spamvireslayer wrote: >>>> >>>>> Heidi wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Spamvireslayer wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> "Indigo" wrote in message >>>>>>> news:ctlnak$mru$1@news.spamcop.net... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Email me please, tried to send you something yesterday and it >>>>>>>> bounced. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just did.... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:42:47 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:46:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids Message-ID: Heidi wrote: From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:42:51 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:46:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: there is a saving grace to Bill Gates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Spamvireslayer wrote: > >> Indigo wrote: >> >>> Bert Driehuis wrote: >>> >>>> Or who do give away to charity only after making sure they don't have >>>> to pay taxes. >>>> >>> >>> >>> If you have to pay taxes on your donation, by definition you are not >>> donating to a "charity". >>> >>> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:42:54 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:46:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Spamvireslayer wrote: > >> Indigo wrote: >> >>> Tim McGraw wrote: >>> >>>> Spamvireslayer wrote: >>>> >>>>> Tim McGraw wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> ...and let's say you have three kids to support and were holding >>>>>> down three poor-paying part-time jobs just to keep food on the >>>>>> table. Like you'd have the time. Riiiiiight. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Might even be able to get a better paying job if learned to speak >>>>> the language. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hey, mebbe since such an individual has *all this time* to learn >>>> another language, why not pick up, say, a master's in EE on the way, >>>> eh? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Asian immigrants seem to do it quite easily......they have a stronger >>> work >>> ethic or they know the way to success is to learn how to communicate >>> in the >>> common language? >>> >>> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:42:58 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:46:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Spamvireslayer wrote: > >> Indigo wrote: >> >>> Tim McGraw wrote: >>> >>>> Spamvireslayer wrote: >>>> >>>>> Tim McGraw wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> ...and let's say you have three kids to support and were holding >>>>>> down three poor-paying part-time jobs just to keep food on the >>>>>> table. Like you'd have the time. Riiiiiight. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Might even be able to get a better paying job if learned to speak >>>>> the language. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hey, mebbe since such an individual has *all this time* to learn >>>> another language, why not pick up, say, a master's in EE on the way, >>>> eh? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Asian immigrants seem to do it quite easily......they have a stronger >>> work >>> ethic or they know the way to success is to learn how to communicate >>> in the >>> common language? >>> >>> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:45:57 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:50:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tupac Resurrection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: DC wrote: > This has been playing on cable so I checked it out. I never followed his > career but turns out he was a bit deeper and better versed than the press > indicated. > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:46:02 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:50:15 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tupac Resurrection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: DC wrote: > This has been playing on cable so I checked it out. I never followed his > career but turns out he was a bit deeper and better versed than the press > indicated. > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:46:05 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:50:19 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tupac Resurrection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: DC wrote: > This has been playing on cable so I checked it out. I never followed his > career but turns out he was a bit deeper and better versed than the press > indicated. > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:46:08 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:50:22 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tupac Resurrection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: DC wrote: > This has been playing on cable so I checked it out. I never followed his > career but turns out he was a bit deeper and better versed than the press > indicated. > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:46:12 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:50:24 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tupac Resurrection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: DC wrote: > This has been playing on cable so I checked it out. I never followed his > career but turns out he was a bit deeper and better versed than the press > indicated. > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:46:15 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:50:26 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tupac Resurrection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: DC wrote: > This has been playing on cable so I checked it out. I never followed his > career but turns out he was a bit deeper and better versed than the press > indicated. > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:46:19 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:50:29 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tupac Resurrection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: DC wrote: > This has been playing on cable so I checked it out. I never followed his > career but turns out he was a bit deeper and better versed than the press > indicated. > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:47:09 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:50:31 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tupac Resurrection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > DC wrote: > >> This has been playing on cable so I checked it out. I never followed his >> career but turns out he was a bit deeper and better versed than the press >> indicated. >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:47:23 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:50:33 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tupac Resurrection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > DC wrote: > >> This has been playing on cable so I checked it out. I never followed his >> career but turns out he was a bit deeper and better versed than the press >> indicated. >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:47:29 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:50:35 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tupac Resurrection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > DC wrote: > >> This has been playing on cable so I checked it out. I never followed his >> career but turns out he was a bit deeper and better versed than the press >> indicated. >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:47:35 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:50:38 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tupac Resurrection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > DC wrote: > >> This has been playing on cable so I checked it out. I never followed his >> career but turns out he was a bit deeper and better versed than the press >> indicated. >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:47:41 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:50:40 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tupac Resurrection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > DC wrote: > >> This has been playing on cable so I checked it out. I never followed his >> career but turns out he was a bit deeper and better versed than the press >> indicated. >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:47:53 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:50:42 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tupac Resurrection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > DC wrote: > >> This has been playing on cable so I checked it out. I never followed his >> career but turns out he was a bit deeper and better versed than the press >> indicated. >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:48:06 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:50:45 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tupac Resurrection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > DC wrote: > >> This has been playing on cable so I checked it out. I never followed his >> career but turns out he was a bit deeper and better versed than the press >> indicated. >> From skiwi at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:48:20 2005 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (sk1w1) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:50:47 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "J. Weaver Jr." wrote: > > >>it's a bit easier to be a part of "the great >>melting pot" if you're at least slightly willing to melt. Learning the >>_common_ langauge is a nice start. > > > I agree with the above, but I also think that we should try to have > facilities available for those who haven't quite melted yet. How about those perched on the side of the pot for 20 years or so? (to carry on the metaphor...) - keeping warm but maybe *choosing* not to contribute maybe as much as they could From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:50:18 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:55:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Nice little snowstorm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Heidi wrote: > >> Mr K. Mean wrote: >> >>> Sylvesterthekat wrote: >>> >>>> "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message >>>> >>>>> It is annoying though, all the articles seem to be from the very same >>>>> wire report and none of them actually say how much snow has fallen. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hmm, did you try a weather site? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> They never say. It was even that way when I was in NY. I had to >>> find some ftp site on the National Weather Service that listed the >>> snowfall count after snow storms. It is weird, the weather pages >>> always tell you how much snow they expect, but rarely seem to say how >>> much actually fell after the fact. From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:50:26 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:55:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Nice little snowstorm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Heidi wrote: > >> Heidi wrote: >> >>> Mr K. Mean wrote: >>> >>>> Sylvesterthekat wrote: >>>> >>>>> "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message >>>>> >>>>>> It is annoying though, all the articles seem to be from the very same >>>>>> wire report and none of them actually say how much snow has fallen. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hmm, did you try a weather site? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> They never say. It was even that way when I was in NY. I had to >>>> find some ftp site on the National Weather Service that listed the >>>> snowfall count after snow storms. It is weird, the weather pages >>>> always tell you how much snow they expect, but rarely seem to say >>>> how much actually fell after the fact. From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:50:37 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:55:17 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Nice little snowstorm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Heidi wrote: > >> Heidi wrote: >> >>> Heidi wrote: >>> >>>> Mr K. Mean wrote: >>>> >>>>> Sylvesterthekat wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message >>>>>> >>>>>>> It is annoying though, all the articles seem to be from the very >>>>>>> same >>>>>>> wire report and none of them actually say how much snow has fallen. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hmm, did you try a weather site? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> They never say. It was even that way when I was in NY. I had to >>>>> find some ftp site on the National Weather Service that listed the >>>>> snowfall count after snow storms. It is weird, the weather pages >>>>> always tell you how much snow they expect, but rarely seem to say >>>>> how much actually fell after the fact. From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:50:49 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:55:21 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Nice little snowstorm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Heidi wrote: > >> Heidi wrote: >> >>> Heidi wrote: >>> >>>> Heidi wrote: >>>> >>>>> Mr K. Mean wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Sylvesterthekat wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is annoying though, all the articles seem to be from the very >>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>> wire report and none of them actually say how much snow has fallen. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hmm, did you try a weather site? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> They never say. It was even that way when I was in NY. I had to >>>>>> find some ftp site on the National Weather Service that listed the >>>>>> snowfall count after snow storms. It is weird, the weather pages >>>>>> always tell you how much snow they expect, but rarely seem to say >>>>>> how much actually fell after the fact. From skiwi at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:50:52 2005 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (sk1w1) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:55:23 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "Frog Prince" wrote: > > >>As I recall there is/was a federal requirement to speak English for the >>citizenship test as exampled by the problems a family had with a 23 y.o. >>disabled duaghter the parents wanted to gain citizenship when they gained >>citizenship. > > > I'm trying to find out more about this, but I cannot find a law > referenced anywhere. Yes, there is a language requirement - see the INS site (let me know and I will chase down the URL...) - I am going for my US citizenship at the moment.... there are some dispensations though, and the agents have some latitude as well I understand... luckily I speakable passable English with an overlay of Gibberish... From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:51:02 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:55:25 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Nice little snowstorm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Heidi wrote: > >> Heidi wrote: >> >>> Heidi wrote: >>> >>>> Heidi wrote: >>>> >>>>> Mr K. Mean wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Sylvesterthekat wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is annoying though, all the articles seem to be from the very >>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>> wire report and none of them actually say how much snow has fallen. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hmm, did you try a weather site? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> They never say. It was even that way when I was in NY. I had to >>>>>> find some ftp site on the National Weather Service that listed the >>>>>> snowfall count after snow storms. It is weird, the weather pages >>>>>> always tell you how much snow they expect, but rarely seem to say >>>>>> how much actually fell after the fact. From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:51:33 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:55:28 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ping Jerry Mouse In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Bert Driehuis wrote: > >> LadySarah wrote: >> >>> HISTORY TEST >>> >>> Please pause a moment, reflect back, and take the following multiple >>> choice test. The events are actual cuts from past history. They >>> actually happened!!! >>> >>> Do you remember? >> >> >> >> It's a bit dated. It somehow missed out on >> >> 11 - In late 2004, a group of Muslim extremists was being rounded up >> by Dutch police. The ring leader who attempted to blow up the police >> with handgrenades was >> a) A Male Muslim extremist between the age of 17 and 40, >> b) an American, >> c) raised with the idea that blowing up law enforcement officers can be >> justified by vague references to freedoms being threatened, >> d) all of the above. >> >> I had a good chuckle about your list, but I somehow felt it simplified >> things a bit. >> >> Cheers, >> >> -- Bert From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:51:50 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:55:30 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: cool! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Don Wannit wrote: > >> The Post Office happily postmarks and delivers envelopes which are not >> sealed. This makes it easy to add and seal whatever you want later on, >> and shows why this method of proving a date is just a myth. >> From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:52:02 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:55:36 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: cool! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Heidi wrote: > >> Don Wannit wrote: >> >>> The Post Office happily postmarks and delivers envelopes which are not >>> sealed. This makes it easy to add and seal whatever you want later on, >>> and shows why this method of proving a date is just a myth. >>> From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:52:13 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:55:40 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: cool! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Heidi wrote: > >> Heidi wrote: >> >>> Don Wannit wrote: >>> >>>> The Post Office happily postmarks and delivers envelopes which are not >>>> sealed. This makes it easy to add and seal whatever you want later on, >>>> and shows why this method of proving a date is just a myth. >>>> From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:52:23 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:55:42 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: cool! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Heidi wrote: > >> Don Wannit wrote: >> >>> The Post Office happily postmarks and delivers envelopes which are not >>> sealed. This makes it easy to add and seal whatever you want later on, >>> and shows why this method of proving a date is just a myth. >>> From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:52:32 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:55:45 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: cool! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Heidi wrote: > >> Heidi wrote: >> >>> Don Wannit wrote: >>> >>>> The Post Office happily postmarks and delivers envelopes which are not >>>> sealed. This makes it easy to add and seal whatever you want later on, >>>> and shows why this method of proving a date is just a myth. >>>> From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:52:40 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:55:47 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: cool! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Heidi wrote: > >> Heidi wrote: >> >>> Heidi wrote: >>> >>>> Don Wannit wrote: >>>> >>>>> The Post Office happily postmarks and delivers envelopes which are not >>>>> sealed. This makes it easy to add and seal whatever you want later >>>>> on, >>>>> and shows why this method of proving a date is just a myth. >>>>> From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:52:49 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:55:50 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: cool! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Heidi wrote: > >> Heidi wrote: >> >>> Don Wannit wrote: >>> >>>> The Post Office happily postmarks and delivers envelopes which are not >>>> sealed. This makes it easy to add and seal whatever you want later on, >>>> and shows why this method of proving a date is just a myth. >>>> From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:52:59 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:55:52 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: cool! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Heidi wrote: > >> Heidi wrote: >> >>> Heidi wrote: >>> >>>> Don Wannit wrote: >>>> >>>>> The Post Office happily postmarks and delivers envelopes which are not >>>>> sealed. This makes it easy to add and seal whatever you want later >>>>> on, >>>>> and shows why this method of proving a date is just a myth. >>>>> From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:53:09 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:55:55 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: cool! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Heidi wrote: > >> Heidi wrote: >> >>> Heidi wrote: >>> >>>> Heidi wrote: >>>> >>>>> Don Wannit wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The Post Office happily postmarks and delivers envelopes which are >>>>>> not >>>>>> sealed. This makes it easy to add and seal whatever you want >>>>>> later on, >>>>>> and shows why this method of proving a date is just a myth. >>>>>> From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:53:20 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:55:57 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: cool! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Heidi wrote: > >> Heidi wrote: >> >>> Heidi wrote: >>> >>>> Don Wannit wrote: >>>> >>>>> The Post Office happily postmarks and delivers envelopes which are not >>>>> sealed. This makes it easy to add and seal whatever you want later >>>>> on, >>>>> and shows why this method of proving a date is just a myth. >>>>> From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:53:30 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:56:00 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: cool! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Heidi wrote: > >> Heidi wrote: >> >>> Don Wannit wrote: >>> >>>> The Post Office happily postmarks and delivers envelopes which are not >>>> sealed. This makes it easy to add and seal whatever you want later on, >>>> and shows why this method of proving a date is just a myth. >>>> From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:53:39 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:56:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: cool! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Heidi wrote: > >> Heidi wrote: >> >>> Don Wannit wrote: >>> >>>> The Post Office happily postmarks and delivers envelopes which are not >>>> sealed. This makes it easy to add and seal whatever you want later on, >>>> and shows why this method of proving a date is just a myth. >>>> From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:54:34 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:56:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: there is a saving grace to Bill Gates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Bert Driehuis wrote: > >> Sylvesterthekat wrote: >> >>> Rather cynical, don't you think? The fact of the matter is, he DOES >>> do a lot >>> of good for a lot of people and causes, whether you or I like him or >>> not. I >>> doubt this generosity would make people more likely to buy MS products - >>> there are far bigger influences going on than that. After all, he >>> could be >>> more like any number of other sh*theads who don't give anything away to >>> charity. >> >> >> >> Or who do give away to charity only after making sure they don't have >> to pay taxes. >> >> There is a persistent rumor that Ted Turner made $100,000,000 on his >> $1,000,000,000 giveaway, and I'd be darn surprised if Gates doesn't >> have better tax advisors. From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:54:45 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:56:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: there is a saving grace to Bill Gates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Bert Driehuis wrote: > >> Sylvesterthekat wrote: >> >>> Rather cynical, don't you think? The fact of the matter is, he DOES >>> do a lot >>> of good for a lot of people and causes, whether you or I like him or >>> not. I >>> doubt this generosity would make people more likely to buy MS products - >>> there are far bigger influences going on than that. After all, he >>> could be >>> more like any number of other sh*theads who don't give anything away to >>> charity. >> >> >> >> Or who do give away to charity only after making sure they don't have >> to pay taxes. >> >> There is a persistent rumor that Ted Turner made $100,000,000 on his >> $1,000,000,000 giveaway, and I'd be darn surprised if Gates doesn't >> have better tax advisors. From skiwi at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:54:41 2005 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (sk1w1) Date: Tue Feb 1 03:56:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > Spamvireslayer wrote: > >> Tim McGraw wrote: >> >>> ...and let's say you have three kids to support and were holding down >>> three poor-paying part-time jobs just to keep food on the table. Like >>> you'd have the time. Riiiiiight. >> >> >> Might even be able to get a better paying job if learned to speak the >> language. > > > Hey, mebbe since such an individual has *all this time* to learn another > language, why not pick up, say, a master's in EE on the way, eh? > no one says it has to be fast or through an official school or anything - just make an effort in your daily life to speak the countries main language/s for instance, my SO is a hairdresser - and she has people coming to her who have lived in the US for 20+ years (yes, she asked) who need to bring their children or grandchildren to translate???? hmmmmm... From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:55:17 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 04:00:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: CNN Tech Screwup Reveals the Truth About Condi & Administration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > D.F. Manno wrote: > >> In article , >> "Bob W." wrote: >> >> >>> And the (A?)DA I saw interviewed said that the mere act of parking >>> the truck on the tracks itself was enough to show "motive to commit a >>> crime" and that his state of mind -- even as it will be brought out >>> in court -- does not obviate that fact. >> >> >> >> Motive is irrelevant when the defendant's sanity is at issue. If it >> can be shown that the defendant was incapable of differentiating right >> from wrong (the legal definition of insanity), then _why_ he did what >> he did is not important. >> >> >>> He seemed extremely confident that they will get a conviction. >> >> >> >> Prosecutors are _always_ confident they'll get a conviction, >> especially on TV. I've never seen a DA call a press conference to >> announce that she's not sure she'll win a case. From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:55:22 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 04:00:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: CNN Tech Screwup Reveals the Truth About Condi & Administration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > D.F. Manno wrote: > >> In article , >> "Spamvireslayer" wrote: >> >> >>> What *would* he have thought the consequences could be, parking in >>> front of a >>> commuter train? That's the point they were trying to make about >>> charging him with murder, that he knew full well it would disrupt the >>> train >> >> >> >> In car vs. railroad train, the car always loses, and the train is >> usually unscathed. Trains have hit cars without the crew even knowing >> it, or have dragged the wreck for a half-mile or more before being >> able to stop, with only minor damage. >> >> This was an unusual case because the engine was pushing the train, not >> pulling it. >> >> I'd say that he had reason to expect that the train would hit the car >> and kill him without anybody else getting hurt. From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:55:36 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 04:00:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: CNN Tech Screwup Reveals the Truth About Condi & Administration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Heidi wrote: > >> D.F. Manno wrote: >> >>> In article , >>> "Spamvireslayer" wrote: >>> >>> >>>> What *would* he have thought the consequences could be, parking in >>>> front of a >>>> commuter train? That's the point they were trying to make about >>>> charging him with murder, that he knew full well it would disrupt >>>> the train >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> In car vs. railroad train, the car always loses, and the train is >>> usually unscathed. Trains have hit cars without the crew even knowing >>> it, or have dragged the wreck for a half-mile or more before being >>> able to stop, with only minor damage. >>> >>> This was an unusual case because the engine was pushing the train, >>> not pulling it. >>> >>> I'd say that he had reason to expect that the train would hit the car >>> and kill him without anybody else getting hurt. From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:55:48 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 04:00:16 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: CNN Tech Screwup Reveals the Truth About Condi & Administration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Heidi wrote: > >> D.F. Manno wrote: >> >>> In article , >>> "Bob W." wrote: >>> >>> >>>> And the (A?)DA I saw interviewed said that the mere act of parking >>>> the truck on the tracks itself was enough to show "motive to commit >>>> a crime" and that his state of mind -- even as it will be brought >>>> out in court -- does not obviate that fact. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Motive is irrelevant when the defendant's sanity is at issue. If it >>> can be shown that the defendant was incapable of differentiating >>> right from wrong (the legal definition of insanity), then _why_ he >>> did what he did is not important. >>> >>> >>>> He seemed extremely confident that they will get a conviction. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Prosecutors are _always_ confident they'll get a conviction, >>> especially on TV. I've never seen a DA call a press conference to >>> announce that she's not sure she'll win a case. From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:55:56 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 04:00:19 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: CNN Tech Screwup Reveals the Truth About Condi & Administration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > Heidi wrote: > >> D.F. Manno wrote: >> >>> In article , >>> "Bob W." wrote: >>> >>> >>>> And the (A?)DA I saw interviewed said that the mere act of parking >>>> the truck on the tracks itself was enough to show "motive to commit >>>> a crime" and that his state of mind -- even as it will be brought >>>> out in court -- does not obviate that fact. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Motive is irrelevant when the defendant's sanity is at issue. If it >>> can be shown that the defendant was incapable of differentiating >>> right from wrong (the legal definition of insanity), then _why_ he >>> did what he did is not important. >>> >>> >>>> He seemed extremely confident that they will get a conviction. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Prosecutors are _always_ confident they'll get a conviction, >>> especially on TV. I've never seen a DA call a press conference to >>> announce that she's not sure she'll win a case. From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 00:57:27 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 04:00:21 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: sk1w1 wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: > >> Spamvireslayer wrote: >> >>> Tim McGraw wrote: >>> >>>> ...and let's say you have three kids to support and were holding down >>>> three poor-paying part-time jobs just to keep food on the table. Like >>>> you'd have the time. Riiiiiight. >>> >>> >>> >>> Might even be able to get a better paying job if learned to speak the >>> language. >> >> >> >> Hey, mebbe since such an individual has *all this time* to learn >> another language, why not pick up, say, a master's in EE on the way, eh? >> > > no one says it has to be fast or through an official school or anything > - just make an effort in your daily life to speak the countries main > language/s > > for instance, my SO is a hairdresser - and she has people coming to her > who have lived in the US for 20+ years (yes, she asked) who need to > bring their children or grandchildren to translate???? hmmmmm... From skiwi at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 01:02:22 2005 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (sk1w1) Date: Tue Feb 1 04:05:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: > >>Indigo wrote: >> >>>Asian immigrants seem to do it quite easily......they have a >>>stronger work ethic or they know the way to success is to learn how >>>to communicate in the common language? >> >>Could it be because when they arrive here that Asians are coming from >>a higher social strata? Or perhaps because English is taught in their >>schools? > > > Possibly, but I doubt you could claim that for the large majority of Asian > immigrants. From what I've read the difference is that the Asian cultures > tend to have very good self-support groups, i.e. they pool money to help > each other open small businesses. that works in the other direction as well - see my other email about 20+ year immigrants who live in "enclaves" in large cities and never feel they have a need or are inclined to speak English - is there a factor of cultural arrogance here? I went to a friend's wedding the other day, she is Greek heritage but born in the US (yeah, yeah, big, fat and all that...) - her father came late in life to the US, speaks good English as he is a good businessman - the wedding was about 60 / 40 Greek speakers / other I estimate - and he spoke not a SINGLE word of English during his 20 minute "father of the bride" spiel... so in a sense, not acknowledging his daughter's non-Greek-speaking friends and indeed I think disrespecting them... not a good way to make friends outside the Greek immigrant community! From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Feb 1 09:01:46 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Tue Feb 1 04:05:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:ctmo6a$ffk$1@news.spamcop.net... > > IIRC, English is taught widely in Asia - particularly industrialized > nations and to an increasing extent China. Third-world Asian countries, > less so. However, my nephew has spent mucho years in Indonesia (the safe > half) and found many, many natives who spoke English well. > > OTOH, I would defer to you for general antecdotal information - you seem > to have spent much time helping many of these immigrants. > FWIW that seems to be the picture here too....... it seems to be mostly the hispanics (Spanish/Portuguese) that don't/won't bother to learn English - most other Europeans/Asians tend to learn it as a second language at school. But then they tend to be the ones that come here to do the lower paid jobs that /we/ don't want - because they're not educated enough to get decent jobs in their own country either.......... From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Feb 1 09:05:46 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Tue Feb 1 04:10:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: McDonald's outsourcing drive-thru joba References: Message-ID: "Bert Driehuis" wrote in message news:ctmr0h$gtt$1@news.spamcop.net... > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > >> Do you REALLY believe that the Chinese would be at all hampered by having >> to >> do things in imperial measurements? They're clever enough to have >> overcome >> much bigger obstacles than that! > > The Chinese, like the rest of the world, have a cost issue with the > requirement to keep stock in both metric and imperial sizes. But because > labor is cheap there, they're not half as affected. Wow, you're kidding me right? You mean you guys still manufacture stuff in imperial sizes? God! I don't know /any/ other country that still manufatures things in imperial ....?? From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Feb 1 09:07:53 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Tue Feb 1 04:10:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] What's with the multiple posts with no comments? Message-ID: Is it just me? Seems like first it was Heidi, now it's Spamvireslayer posting multiple replies without actually adding any comments to the tread........ From pete+usenet at heypete.com Tue Feb 1 01:17:42 2005 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Tue Feb 1 04:20:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What's with the multiple posts with no comments? References: Message-ID: In article , "Porpoise" wrote: > Is it just me? Seems like first it was Heidi, now it's Spamvireslayer > posting multiple replies without actually adding any comments to the > tread........ It would appear to be some sort of troll/flood attack. It's rather annoying, that's for sure. -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From skiwi at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 01:17:43 2005 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (sk1w1) Date: Tue Feb 1 04:20:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What's with the multiple posts with no comments? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > Is it just me? Seems like first it was Heidi, now it's Spamvireslayer > posting multiple replies without actually adding any comments to the > tread........ troll posing as Heidi aka Spamvampireslayer - some script kiddie with some grudge they have developed for being called on being a dickhead... rotating IPs so killfiles not as effectual... previously having conversations with themselves (sign of a loosely held together individual) - especially quite gross ones about, well, never mind - just some pinhead whose Playstation has broken down and has rubbed their own dick off through too much manual stimulation - so looking for some feeble way to pass the time of day.... some back channel going on as to approaches to how to best "remove the infestation"... From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 06:47:12 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Tue Feb 1 06:45:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids References: Message-ID: > that works in the other direction as well - see my other email about 20+ > year immigrants who live in "enclaves" in large cities and never feel > they have a need or are inclined to speak English - is there a factor of > cultural arrogance here? I don't think that it is cultural arrogance exactly. If you are not working, or work in stores that serve mostly those in the enclave, there is no incentive nor opportunity to practice english. And some people just are not talented in learning language (they may not speak their native language that well either!) As for people who retain thick accents 20, 30, 60 years after immigration, that is some people's way of coping with the stress of uprooting, I have read. The people who are most successful at moving (even just those in the military or jobs that require frequent moves as well as immigrants) have something in their lives that does not change (it may be as simple as the way they arrange their bedside table), but for some it is the retention of the accent (I have read) IMHO, it is only arrogance when they expect their new country to accommodate their language when they are dealing with natives. > > I went to a friend's wedding the other day, she is Greek heritage but > born in the US (yeah, yeah, big, fat and all that...) - her father came > late in life to the US, speaks good English as he is a good businessman > - the wedding was about 60 / 40 Greek speakers / other I estimate - and > he spoke not a SINGLE word of English during his 20 minute "father of > the bride" spiel... so in a sense, not acknowledging his daughter's > non-Greek-speaking friends and indeed I think disrespecting them... not > a good way to make friends outside the Greek immigrant community! It was certainly rude to invite non-Greek speaking people and then not speak to them in their language! However, a ritual like a wedding should not be held to the same criteria as other examples. If he had spoken for 20 minutes in Greek and two or three in English explaining, that would have been appropriate. I mean, how can you have a Greek wedding if it is in English? Miss Betsy From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 06:52:54 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Tue Feb 1 06:50:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Whizzing your way to freedom References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" wrote in message news:ctltmp$s5j$1@news.spamcop.net... > Finally, some news that affects real people! > > Man Pees Way Out of Avalanche > January 30th, 2005 > > A Slovak man trapped in his car under an avalanche freed himself by > drinking 60 bottles of beer and urinating on the snow to melt it. > > Rescue teams found Richard Kral drunk and staggering along a mountain > path four days after his Audi car was buried in the Slovak Tatra mountains. He must have been on his way to a party! Now if you travel in avalanche country, a couple of cases of beer can not only give some weight for traction but be part of your cold weather emergency kit! Then in the spring, you can have the party! Miss Betsy From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 07:57:20 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Feb 1 08:25:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids References: Message-ID: "sk1w1" | >>As I recall there is/was a federal requirement to speak English for the | >>citizenship test as exampled by the problems a family had with a 23 y.o. | >>disabled daughter the parents wanted to gain citizenship when they gained | >>citizenship. | > I'm trying to find out more about this, but I cannot find a law | > referenced anywhere. | | Yes, there is a language requirement - see the INS site (let me know and | I will chase down the URL...) - I am going for my US citizenship at the | moment.... there are some dispensations though, and the agents have some | latitude as well I understand... luckily I speakable passable English | with an overlay of Gibberish... Ahhh another caudate for political office. As to the flexibility I think that came about due to the disabled young woman's case which took an act of Congress to fix in the short run. From jwjr at poSPAMSUCKSbox.com Tue Feb 1 08:49:37 2005 From: jwjr at poSPAMSUCKSbox.com (J. Weaver Jr.) Date: Tue Feb 1 08:50:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > Spamvireslayer wrote: >> I would not move to a foreign country and insist that everyone >> around me speak English so I could cope, I'd learn the native language. > ...and let's say you have three kids to support and were holding down > three poor-paying part-time jobs just to keep food on the table. Like > you'd have the time. Riiiiiight. Perhaps an improvement in skills would allow our straw immigrant to get _one_ job that would support his/her family. A skill, for example, like the native language. -JW From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 08:27:26 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Feb 1 08:55:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids References: Message-ID: "sk1w1" | > Possibly, but I doubt you could claim that for the large majority of Asian | > immigrants. From what I've read the difference is that the Asian cultures | > tend to have very good self-support groups, i.e. they pool money to help | > each other open small businesses. | | that works in the other direction as well - see my other email about 20+ | year immigrants who live in "enclaves" in large cities and never feel | they have a need or are inclined to speak English - is there a factor of | cultural arrogance here? Perhaps it's being uncomfortable with the language. It took me a long time (and getting lost in Tokyo) before I would even try my Japanese language skills on anyone that I did not know well. (FIWI it was so much fun that I'd make plans to 'getting lost' on every trip) My wife was an ESL teacher in Dallas for Japanese women. At a dinner party we held for several friends where the only common language was Japanese (long story) my wife being new to the Japanese language went plaintively to each guest and 'begged' for vs. offering a cup of coffee. Everyone smile and accepted or declined based on their preference and never let on to her mistake. At around 2 AM the next morning my wife woke me (speaking Japanese) and asked me the same question. My response why the h*ll do you want me to fix you coffee at this time of the morning? In any case she would often tell the story on herself as an ice breaker for her class and as a clear indication that the only way to learn was to use the language despite the possibility of embarrassment. She also had a lot of video tapes of our trying to use the language in Japan. Perhaps I should submit to Japan's Funniest Video, likely win the grand prize. OT story. My daughter and daughter-in-law (23 and 20 y.o and in the vascular of males 'all legs') were walking though the mall one day. A Japanese gentleman and his wife were walking 10 feet or so behind. My wife observed the gentlemen 'watching' these young ladies with a bit more approval than one would normally expect in proper society. My wife (we were walking parallel to the couple) made the comment 'pretty legs aren't' they in Japanese'. The man jumped like he'd be poked with a sharp stick and his wife broke up in involuntary laughter as she had been watching him watch them. We wound up having coffee with the couple as a result, the lady taking ESL lessons from my wife and they becoming fast friends. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 08:36:32 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Feb 1 08:55:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: McDonald's outsourcing drive-thru joba References: Message-ID: "Bert Driehuis" | > Do you REALLY believe that the Chinese would be at all hampered by having to | > do things in imperial measurements? They're clever enough to have overcome | > much bigger obstacles than that! | | The Chinese, like the rest of the world, have a cost issue with the | requirement to keep stock in both metric and imperial sizes. But because | labor is cheap there, they're not half as affected. The solution, in part, is to use tools in the finer English measurements. For exam most tool are 1/2, 1/8, 1/16 but if taken to the next level 1/32 these are almost interchangeable with standard metric equilvants. The other side is that as parts are source from all over (especially in the auto business). One finds both English and metric parts on almost all cars (including imports). My son teaches a course in Bachelor Survival 101, cooking for (mostly male) teens and is often asked how to convert from metric to English and not so much the other way 'round. So it is evident that the switch is taking place, abit slowly. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 08:37:56 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Feb 1 08:55:16 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: McDonald's outsourcing drive-thru joba References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" | > The Chinese, like the rest of the world, have a cost issue with the | > requirement to keep stock in both metric and imperial sizes. But because | > labor is cheap there, they're not half as affected. | | Wow, you're kidding me right? You mean you guys still manufacture stuff in | imperial sizes? God! I don't know /any/ other country that still manufactures | things in imperial ....?? | Part of the Golden Rule of commerce. He who has the gold, rules. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 08:40:21 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Feb 1 08:55:19 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: this is crackers References: Message-ID: "Bert Driehuis" | > A bank robber has been allowed to claim the £1,400 cost of the gun he used | > as a legitimate business expense. | | What was the legal tool again that was used to bring Al Capone down? Tax | law is much easier to wield than criminal law. But it cuts both ways. | | The thing that galls me is that when a criminal files his tax returns in | the Netherlands, the tax man is not legally allowed to pass that | information on to law enforcement. Under US tax code the same principle has applied for years. Under the Patriot Act .... or the admin of some presidents? From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 08:48:37 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Feb 1 08:55:22 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What's with the multiple posts with no comments? References: Message-ID: "Pete Stephenson" | > Is it just me? Seems like first it was Heidi, now it's Spamvireslayer | > posting multiple replies without actually adding any comments to the | > tread........ | | It would appear to be some sort of troll/flood attack. | | It's rather annoying, that's for sure. Kinda like the dead skunk down the road only a small annoyance when the wind is wrong but not much more than that. Speaking of annoyances. There was a long rant letter from a smoker regarding the new/pending NO SMOKING ordnances in NC. Her stance was if you don't like the smell/smoke 'STAY HOME'. In response another asked where she planed to dine next as he and his buddies would be eating bean burritos for the week proceeding and would be planning to sit at the next table. The end comment 'if you don't like the smell 'STAY HOME'. I wonder if they planned to forgo bathing as well? From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 08:58:01 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Feb 1 09:00:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Moyers on the End Times References: Message-ID: "Tim McGraw" < | > Anyway, here's Moyers article: | > http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/013105F.shtml | | A very minor point in an otherwise very factual article. | | Besides, what Christian has ever read the Book of Amos? It's not in the | Christian Old Testament. You would be surprised at the 'scholarly' efforts of Christens especially fundamental Christens in this regard. Sad part is they tend to distort Biblical history for their own agenda. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:07:12 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Feb 1 09:10:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids References: Message-ID: "J. Weaver Jr." | >> I would not move to a foreign country and insist that everyone | >> around me speak English so I could cope, I'd learn the native language. | | > ...and let's say you have three kids to support and were holding down | > three poor-paying part-time jobs just to keep food on the table. Like | > you'd have the time. Riiiiiight. | | Perhaps an improvement in skills would allow our straw immigrant to get | _one_ job that would support his/her family. A skill, for example, like | the native language. -JW Based on my personal observations of the job market in the Appalachians ... unlikely as many native English speaking workers have to work several jobs to stay afloat. BTW staying afloat equates to keeping your nose barely above water and fearing the sound the motor boat of additional lay offs. From jwjr at poSPAMSUCKSbox.com Tue Feb 1 09:25:40 2005 From: jwjr at poSPAMSUCKSbox.com (J. Weaver Jr.) Date: Tue Feb 1 09:30:47 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > Based on my personal observations of the job market in the Appalachians ... > unlikely as many native English speaking workers have to work several jobs > to stay afloat. BTW staying afloat equates to keeping your nose barely > above water and fearing the sound the motor boat of additional lay offs. I spent a couple hours talking to one of the contractors that just redid my kitchen countertops (replacing 30-year-old Formica with shiny _new_ Formica). _His_ observation, commenting on all the new home construction and remodelling going on in this area (metro DC) was that anyone who didn't have a job (even as a day laborer) didn't _want_ a job. Just his opinion, but he and his son were spending the last days of three straight work weeks away their home in the Carolinas. They _wanted_ to work, and they were. (And they did good work, too.) -JW From Unknown.User at Invalid.Domain Tue Feb 1 10:19:48 2005 From: Unknown.User at Invalid.Domain (Jan M. Nelken) Date: Tue Feb 1 10:20:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What's with the multiple posts with no comments? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: sk1w1 wrote: > troll posing as Heidi aka Spamvampireslayer - some script kiddie with > some grudge they have developed for being called on being a dickhead... > rotating IPs so killfiles not as effectual... In Mozilla and/or FireFox - is there a way to block *existing* posts as well as *new* posts with some set of criterias? How? What criteria selectors are available? Jan M. Nelken From nospam at bisusa.com Tue Feb 1 09:29:05 2005 From: nospam at bisusa.com (JerryMouse) Date: Tue Feb 1 10:30:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Moyers on the End Times References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > JerryMouse wrote: >> Moyers claims some believe that the sooner the earth is denuded of >> natural resources, the sooner the "Rapture," in which believing >> Christians are taken up to heaven, will take place. Further, since >> the government has been taken over, virtually, by these right-wing >> fundamentalists, obviously they intend to use the powers of >> government to destroy the environment, thereby hastening the day. >> >> Moyers must be really upset, because he made so ghastly blunders in >> his article. Here's one: >> >> "The only Democrat to score 100 percent with the Christian coalition >> was Sen. Zell Miller of Georgia, who recently quoted from the >> biblical book of Amos on the Senate floor: "The days will come, >> sayeth the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land." He >> seemed to be relishing the thought." It wasn't 'recently,' it was a year >> ago (Feb 12th, 2004). At the >> time, Miller was quoting one of Martin Luther King's speeches. Not >> Dr. King or Senator Miller or the prophet Amos were referring to a >> literal "famine" that Moyers fears. The next sentence in the Book of >> Amos is: "Not a famine for bread or thirst for water, but of hearing >> the word of the Lord." Anyway, here's Moyers article: >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/013105F.shtml > > A very minor point in an otherwise very factual article. > > Besides, what Christian has ever read the Book of Amos? It's not in > the Christian Old Testament. Dr King evidently read the Book of Amos since he used it in the speech Senator Miller quoted. The book of Amos does appear in the Old Testament. The article was not "very factual." It was mostly opinion. I just pointed out that one of the "facts" used to support the opinion, was, in fact, Dowdified.* -------- *Modifying a quote to make it appear as if the speaker meant something entirely different. From skiwi at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 07:29:54 2005 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (sk1w1) Date: Tue Feb 1 10:30:18 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Mozilla blocking [WAS: What's with the multiple posts with no comments?] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jan M. Nelken wrote: > sk1w1 wrote: > >> troll posing as Heidi aka Spamvampireslayer - some script kiddie with >> some grudge they have developed for being called on being a >> dickhead... rotating IPs so killfiles not as effectual... > > > In Mozilla and/or FireFox - is there a way to block *existing* posts as > well as *new* posts with some set of criterias? How? What criteria > selectors are available? I am using Mozilla 1.8a6 and can "block" the *new* posts using various criteria as they come into a newsgroup using the message filters - but I have found no way to do *existing* posts As far as I know / could find (with a somewhat cursory look I will admit!) there is no 'killfile plugin' for Mozilla... From smjg_1998 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 1 15:35:03 2005 From: smjg_1998 at yahoo.com (Stewart Gordon) Date: Tue Feb 1 10:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What's with the multiple posts with no comments? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > Is it just me? No. > Seems like first it was Heidi, now it's Spamvireslayer > posting multiple replies without actually adding any comments to the > tread........ Notice that all the blank posts claim to have been sent using Mozilla Thunderbird. The real Heidi and Spamvireslayer, OTOH, are both OE lusers. The attack must've ended now - they all seem to predate (or pretime) this thread.... Stewart. -- My e-mail is valid but not my primary mailbox. Please keep replies on the 'group where everyone may benefit. From metoo at privacy.net Tue Feb 1 07:35:57 2005 From: metoo at privacy.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue Feb 1 10:40:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What's with the multiple posts with no comments? References: Message-ID: "Jan M. Nelken" wrote in message news:cto6ml$jqt$1@news.spamcop.net... > sk1w1 wrote: > > > troll posing as Heidi aka Spamvampireslayer - some script kiddie with > > some grudge they have developed for being called on being a dickhead... > > rotating IPs so killfiles not as effectual... > > In Mozilla and/or FireFox - is there a way to block *existing* posts as well as > *new* posts with some set of criterias? How? What criteria selectors are available? Best thing to do is thread by time and then select them all (they tend to be bunched together) and hit delete. From no at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 10:38:21 2005 From: no at devnull.spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Tue Feb 1 10:40:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What's with the multiple posts with no comments? References: Message-ID: "Stewart Gordon" wrote in message news:cto7j7$kge$1@news.spamcop.net... The real Heidi and Spamvireslayer, OTOH, are both OE lusers. Hey hey hey now, I always say people who hate OE don't know how to use it...harrumph. From no at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 10:40:46 2005 From: no at devnull.spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Tue Feb 1 10:45:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What's with the multiple posts with no comments? References: Message-ID: "sk1w1" wrote in message news:ctnhfn$66a$1@news.spamcop.net... > > troll posing as Heidi aka Spamvampireslayer - some script kiddie with > some grudge they have developed for being called on being a dickhead... Or not. I have my own theory about who's behind this. One could even muse that the "infestation" was invited, giving that the resident troll, and someone who has repeatedly attacked me and been caught out using various sock puppets, seem to both post at alt.hackers.malicious. Go Google, it's entertaining as all hell. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 11:16:19 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Feb 1 11:25:27 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids References: Message-ID: "J. Weaver Jr." | > Based on my personal observations of the job market in the Appalachians ... | > unlikely as many native English speaking workers have to work several jobs | > to stay afloat. BTW staying afloat equates to keeping your nose barely | > above water and fearing the sound the motor boat of additional lay offs. | | I spent a couple hours talking to one of the contractors that just redid | my kitchen countertops (replacing 30-year-old Formica with shiny _new_ | Formica). _His_ observation, commenting on all the new home construction | and remodeling going on in this area (metro DC) was that anyone who | didn't have a job (even as a day laborer) didn't _want_ a job. | | Just his opinion, but he and his son were spending the last days | of three straight work weeks away their home in the Carolinas. They | _wanted_ to work, and they were. (And they did good work, too.) -JW Plant in Conover NC has been in business more that 100 years just announced that by Aril they will be completely shut down. Some employees have been working there for 40+ years will be on the street as will several hundred others. Much like other workers in this area (Kannapolis plant when out of business ~ one year ago and laid off 4500 people) there are few jobs in any field to apply for. USAir (you know the one that just filed bankruptcy for the second time in a few years) announced the opening service at the local airport. Had 6000 applicants for 4 positions. Operation making insulation for autos in Fort Mill NC is on short shifts (<30 hours) due to low demand. Retail in Pigeon Forge TN and surrounding area has low unemployment but majority of the jobs are ~ minimum wage. Both NC and Tenn. have cut their health care programs for the low income folk. I know personally of several families in this area where both patents have to drive several hundred miles to find work that not counting commuting expense results in substance wages. According to the government the disposable income for Americans went up last year STRICTLY due to MS $3 dividend otherwise the rate of increase was neutral. (some areas more some areas less) Regardless the probability of language lessons increasing the lady's income is extremely low. Not having the benefit of the full facts in the case my take is the judge is giving the lady a mandate without the tools to do the job. (Sound anything like our federal government and unfunded mandates?) From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 11:20:29 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Feb 1 11:25:47 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Moyers on the End Times References: Message-ID: "JerryMouse" | Dr King evidently read the Book of Amos since he used it in the speech | Senator Miller quoted. The book of Amos does appear in the Old Testament. | | The article was not "very factual." It was mostly opinion. I just pointed | out that one of the "facts" used to support the opinion, was, in fact, | Dowdified.* | | -------- | *Modifying a quote to make it appear as if the speaker meant something | entirely different. Current political science in the US make the practice standard for ALL politicians. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 11:48:49 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Feb 1 11:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. References: Message-ID: "David Dean" | > David, curious how many kids do you have and what are their ages? | | I have a four year old daughter. Having raised 4 of my own, more not my own, currently working on a 4 y.o. granddaughter and two foster grand kids I can speak with some authority: You will learn a lot (but not all you need to know by a long shot) about rising kids between now and the time you become grand parent. You have to be extremely diligent in protecting that little one for those things you can control and working actively to address those things you cannot control such as broadcast media. As example my g.d. was playing kitchen with some of her friends. One child picked up a plastic donut. My g.d. announces with some volume and a bit of authority: 'Watch out, that will go straight to your A**' This from a daytime TV spot. There have been other incidents all based on broadcast during the 'family time' slots. One comes to mind about a song where the chorus line had to do with planting a boot firmly in someone's a**. This was on many of the local radio stations (all out of town corp ownership) for a several weeks. The stations ignored complaints until mothers took the issue up with the local advertisers but by them the damage was done. That said do we really need the like of Howard Stern in that mix. FWIW I enjoy Redd Fox and Richard Pryor's humor but don't see that such material is appropriate for general broadcast. From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Feb 1 09:14:04 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:15:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What's with the multiple posts with no comments? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > Is it just me? Seems like first it was Heidi, now it's Spamvireslayer > posting multiple replies without actually adding any comments to the > tread........ > > The troll is back and attempting to DDOS the newsgroup. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 12:00:13 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:15:19 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids References: Message-ID: "David Dean" | > and | > one kid need special medical treatment. She took off time to attend to that | > need and was gated for missing work. | | The Family Health and Medical Leave Act was supposed to prevent that | sort of thing from happening. We're dealing with real world here. The DOL that is suppose to address that will under this administration give lip service to complaints. The real reason was missing work but the paperwork reason was for other issues. Regardless as there is no support from the DOL or the courts on these complaints few private attorneys will discuss much less undertake such a case. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 12:14:19 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:15:23 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. References: Message-ID: "David Dean" | > How do you propose to accomplish that task? I grew up in a much gentler | > time (they did not show a married couple in the same bed on TV) and despite | > the eagle eyes of a constantly in attendance grand mother I managed to get | > into a lot of 'stuff' that was outside the realm of what was age appropart | > for me. | | Are you worse off for the 'stuff' they missed? It is about managing | risk. You're not going to catch everything, but you can likely keep the | worst away, and manage what does get through. Can't say I'm worse/better off but I did encounter things that I was not mentally or emotionally prepared understand much less address. But my point was that regardless of how vigilant one might try to be as a parent you cannot do the job alone. | > As to controlling the access I can control access to cable TV and I can | > control access to the SatRadio system but I cannot control what is broadcast | > (and the key word is broadcast) on standard TV and radio. | | Radio and /old/ TVs have no parental control features, and I don't | trust the internet ones. In these instances we have to expend the effort | of being there ourselves until we can trust the kids. | | > By your presumption it should be ok to have graphic examples of the | > application of hemorrhoid cream and tampons on live TV. | | This is called misleading vividness: | | It is a logical fallacy. Things like this are not likely, but | possible. If you rule thins out because of exceptional conditions, then | you wouldn't let your kids ride in the car with you, lest they see a | bumper sticker with profanity on it. I have learned that objectionable things in the media that are considered 'not likely' are increasingly less and less 'not likely'. For example some discussions and advertisements that are aired after the witching hour say on the Tonight Show have no place on programs aired much earlier in the day. Just as customs and behavior that are acceptable on Bourbon Street on Madi Gras (spl?) have no place on other streets in New Orleans even on the same day. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 12:16:54 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:25:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. References: Message-ID: "David Dean" | | > working actively to address those things you | > cannot control such as broadcast media. | | What's that saying? Give me the strength to change the things I can | and the serenity to accept the things I cannot? Perhaps that that is not what I'm advocating far from it. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 12:22:33 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:25:14 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. References: Message-ID: "David Dean" | > 'Watch out, that will go straight to your A**' This from a | > daytime TV spot. | | While this may not have been appropriate, how is it harmful? I assume | you did discuss with her that there are some things that you shouldn't | say because sometimes it makes people not like you as much. | There are far too many kids that do not have positive influences in their lives giving them more negatives does not serve either them or society. Though my work with the foster program I've run into more than a few kids under the age of 8 that could make a long shoreman blush and are prone to act on the vindictive. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:49:36 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > "Tim McGraw" wrote in message > news:ctmo6a$ffk$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>IIRC, English is taught widely in Asia - particularly industrialized >>nations and to an increasing extent China. Third-world Asian countries, >>less so. However, my nephew has spent mucho years in Indonesia (the safe >>half) and found many, many natives who spoke English well. >> >>OTOH, I would defer to you for general antecdotal information - you seem >>to have spent much time helping many of these immigrants. >> > > > FWIW that seems to be the picture here too....... it seems to be mostly the > hispanics (Spanish/Portuguese) that don't/won't bother to learn English - > most other Europeans/Asians tend to learn it as a second language at school. > But then they tend to be the ones that come here to do the lower paid jobs > that /we/ don't want - because they're not educated enough to get decent > jobs in their own country either.......... > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:49:46 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:50:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids Message-ID: Miss Betsy wrote: From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:50:10 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:55:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Whizzing your way to freedom Message-ID: Miss Betsy wrote: From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:50:20 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:55:20 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids Message-ID: Miss Betsy wrote: From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:50:31 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:55:27 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What's with the multiple posts with no comments? Message-ID: sk1w1 wrote: From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:50:56 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:55:34 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What's with the multiple posts with no comments? Message-ID: Pete Stephenson wrote: From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:51:43 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:55:40 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: sk1w1 wrote: > Indigo wrote: > >> Tim McGraw wrote: >> >>> Indigo wrote: >>> >>>> Asian immigrants seem to do it quite easily......they have a >>>> stronger work ethic or they know the way to success is to learn how >>>> to communicate in the common language? >>> >>> >>> Could it be because when they arrive here that Asians are coming from >>> a higher social strata? Or perhaps because English is taught in their >>> schools? >> >> >> >> Possibly, but I doubt you could claim that for the large majority of >> Asian >> immigrants. From what I've read the difference is that the Asian cultures >> tend to have very good self-support groups, i.e. they pool money to help >> each other open small businesses. > > > that works in the other direction as well - see my other email about 20+ > year immigrants who live in "enclaves" in large cities and never feel > they have a need or are inclined to speak English - is there a factor of > cultural arrogance here? > > I went to a friend's wedding the other day, she is Greek heritage but > born in the US (yeah, yeah, big, fat and all that...) - her father came > late in life to the US, speaks good English as he is a good businessman > - the wedding was about 60 / 40 Greek speakers / other I estimate - and > he spoke not a SINGLE word of English during his 20 minute "father of > the bride" spiel... so in a sense, not acknowledging his daughter's > non-Greek-speaking friends and indeed I think disrespecting them... not > a good way to make friends outside the Greek immigrant community! From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:53:28 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:55:46 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , sk1w1 > wrote: > > >>Yes, there is a language requirement - see the INS site (let me know and >>I will chase down the URL...) > > > Please do, so that I can determine whether this is due to law or > administrative policy. > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:53:30 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:55:49 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "Frog Prince" wrote: > > >>and >>one kid need special medical treatment. She took off time to attend to that >>need and was gated for missing work. > > > The Family Health and Medical Leave Act was supposed to prevent that > sort of thing from happening. > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:53:31 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:55:52 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "Frog Prince" wrote: > >>How do you propose to accomplish that task? I grew up in a much gentler >>time (they did not show a married couple in the same bed on TV) and despite >>the eagle eyes of a constantly in attendance grand mother I managed to get >>into a lot of 'stuff' that was outside the realm of what was age appropart >>for me. > > > Are you worse off for the 'stuff' they missed? It is about managing > risk. You're not going to catch everything, but you can likely keep the > worst away, and manage what does get through. > > >>As to controlling the access I can control access to cable TV and I can >>control access to the SatRadio system but I cannot control what is broadcast >>(and the key word is broadcast) on standard TV and radio. > > > Radio and /old/ TVs have no parental control features, and I don't > trust the internet ones. In these instances we have to expend the effort > of being there ourselves until we can trust the kids. > > >>By your presumption it should be ok to have graphic examples of the >>application of hemorrhoid cream and tampons on live TV. > > > This is called misleading vividness: > > It is a logical fallacy. Things like this are not likely, but > possible. If you rule thins out because of exceptional conditions, then > you wouldn't let your kids ride in the car with you, lest they see a > bumper sticker with profanity on it. > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:53:33 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:55:56 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Moyers on the End Times In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "JerryMouse" > > | Dr King evidently read the Book of Amos since he used it in the speech > | Senator Miller quoted. The book of Amos does appear in the Old Testament. > | > | The article was not "very factual." It was mostly opinion. I just pointed > | out that one of the "facts" used to support the opinion, was, in fact, > | Dowdified.* > | > | -------- > | *Modifying a quote to make it appear as if the speaker meant something > | entirely different. > > Current political science in the US make the practice standard for ALL > politicians. > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:53:35 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:55:59 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "Frog Prince" wrote: > > >>David, curious how many kids do you have and what are their ages? > > > I have a four year old daughter. > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:53:36 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:56:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "J. Weaver Jr." > > | > Based on my personal observations of the job market in the Appalachians > ... > | > unlikely as many native English speaking workers have to work several > jobs > | > to stay afloat. BTW staying afloat equates to keeping your nose barely > | > above water and fearing the sound the motor boat of additional lay offs. > | > | I spent a couple hours talking to one of the contractors that just redid > | my kitchen countertops (replacing 30-year-old Formica with shiny _new_ > | Formica). _His_ observation, commenting on all the new home construction > | and remodeling going on in this area (metro DC) was that anyone who > | didn't have a job (even as a day laborer) didn't _want_ a job. > | > | Just his opinion, but he and his son were spending the last days > | of three straight work weeks away their home in the Carolinas. They > | _wanted_ to work, and they were. (And they did good work, too.) -JW > > Plant in Conover NC has been in business more that 100 years just announced > that by Aril they will be completely shut down. Some employees have been > working there for 40+ years will be on the street as will several hundred > others. Much like other workers in this area (Kannapolis plant when out of > business ~ one year ago and laid off 4500 people) there are few jobs in any > field to apply for. USAir (you know the one that just filed bankruptcy for > the second time in a few years) announced the opening service at the local > airport. Had 6000 applicants for 4 positions. > > Operation making insulation for autos in Fort Mill NC is on short shifts > (<30 hours) due to low demand. Retail in Pigeon Forge TN and surrounding > area has low unemployment but majority of the jobs are ~ minimum wage. > > Both NC and Tenn. have cut their health care programs for the low income > folk. > > I know personally of several families in this area where both patents have > to drive several hundred miles to find work that not counting commuting > expense results in substance wages. > > According to the government the disposable income for Americans went up last > year STRICTLY due to MS $3 dividend otherwise the rate of increase was > neutral. (some areas more some areas less) > > Regardless the probability of language lessons increasing the lady's income > is extremely low. Not having the benefit of the full facts in the case my > take is the judge is giving the lady a mandate without the tools to do the > job. (Sound anything like our federal government and unfunded mandates?) > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:53:40 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:56:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What's with the multiple posts with no comments? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heid1 wrote: > "sk1w1" wrote in message news:ctnhfn$66a$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>troll posing as Heidi aka Spamvampireslayer - some script kiddie with >>some grudge they have developed for being called on being a dickhead... > > > Or not. I have my own theory about who's behind this. One could even muse that the > "infestation" was invited, giving that the resident > troll, and someone who has repeatedly attacked me and been caught out using various > sock puppets, seem to both post at alt.hackers.malicious. Go Google, it's > entertaining as all hell. > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:53:44 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:56:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What's with the multiple posts with no comments? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heid1 wrote: > "Stewart Gordon" wrote in message > news:cto7j7$kge$1@news.spamcop.net... > > The real Heidi and Spamvireslayer, OTOH, are both OE lusers. > > Hey hey hey now, I always say people who hate OE don't know how to use > it...harrumph. > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:53:55 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:56:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , sk1w1 > wrote: > > >>Yes, there is a language requirement - see the INS site (let me know and >>I will chase down the URL...) > > > Please do, so that I can determine whether this is due to law or > administrative policy. > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:53:56 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:56:15 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "Frog Prince" wrote: > > >>and >>one kid need special medical treatment. She took off time to attend to that >>need and was gated for missing work. > > > The Family Health and Medical Leave Act was supposed to prevent that > sort of thing from happening. > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:53:58 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:56:19 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "Frog Prince" wrote: > >>How do you propose to accomplish that task? I grew up in a much gentler >>time (they did not show a married couple in the same bed on TV) and despite >>the eagle eyes of a constantly in attendance grand mother I managed to get >>into a lot of 'stuff' that was outside the realm of what was age appropart >>for me. > > > Are you worse off for the 'stuff' they missed? It is about managing > risk. You're not going to catch everything, but you can likely keep the > worst away, and manage what does get through. > > >>As to controlling the access I can control access to cable TV and I can >>control access to the SatRadio system but I cannot control what is broadcast >>(and the key word is broadcast) on standard TV and radio. > > > Radio and /old/ TVs have no parental control features, and I don't > trust the internet ones. In these instances we have to expend the effort > of being there ourselves until we can trust the kids. > > >>By your presumption it should be ok to have graphic examples of the >>application of hemorrhoid cream and tampons on live TV. > > > This is called misleading vividness: > > It is a logical fallacy. Things like this are not likely, but > possible. If you rule thins out because of exceptional conditions, then > you wouldn't let your kids ride in the car with you, lest they see a > bumper sticker with profanity on it. > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:54:00 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:56:22 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Moyers on the End Times In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "JerryMouse" > > | Dr King evidently read the Book of Amos since he used it in the speech > | Senator Miller quoted. The book of Amos does appear in the Old Testament. > | > | The article was not "very factual." It was mostly opinion. I just pointed > | out that one of the "facts" used to support the opinion, was, in fact, > | Dowdified.* > | > | -------- > | *Modifying a quote to make it appear as if the speaker meant something > | entirely different. > > Current political science in the US make the practice standard for ALL > politicians. > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:54:01 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:56:25 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "Frog Prince" wrote: > > >>David, curious how many kids do you have and what are their ages? > > > I have a four year old daughter. > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:54:03 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:56:29 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "J. Weaver Jr." > > | > Based on my personal observations of the job market in the Appalachians > ... > | > unlikely as many native English speaking workers have to work several > jobs > | > to stay afloat. BTW staying afloat equates to keeping your nose barely > | > above water and fearing the sound the motor boat of additional lay offs. > | > | I spent a couple hours talking to one of the contractors that just redid > | my kitchen countertops (replacing 30-year-old Formica with shiny _new_ > | Formica). _His_ observation, commenting on all the new home construction > | and remodeling going on in this area (metro DC) was that anyone who > | didn't have a job (even as a day laborer) didn't _want_ a job. > | > | Just his opinion, but he and his son were spending the last days > | of three straight work weeks away their home in the Carolinas. They > | _wanted_ to work, and they were. (And they did good work, too.) -JW > > Plant in Conover NC has been in business more that 100 years just announced > that by Aril they will be completely shut down. Some employees have been > working there for 40+ years will be on the street as will several hundred > others. Much like other workers in this area (Kannapolis plant when out of > business ~ one year ago and laid off 4500 people) there are few jobs in any > field to apply for. USAir (you know the one that just filed bankruptcy for > the second time in a few years) announced the opening service at the local > airport. Had 6000 applicants for 4 positions. > > Operation making insulation for autos in Fort Mill NC is on short shifts > (<30 hours) due to low demand. Retail in Pigeon Forge TN and surrounding > area has low unemployment but majority of the jobs are ~ minimum wage. > > Both NC and Tenn. have cut their health care programs for the low income > folk. > > I know personally of several families in this area where both patents have > to drive several hundred miles to find work that not counting commuting > expense results in substance wages. > > According to the government the disposable income for Americans went up last > year STRICTLY due to MS $3 dividend otherwise the rate of increase was > neutral. (some areas more some areas less) > > Regardless the probability of language lessons increasing the lady's income > is extremely low. Not having the benefit of the full facts in the case my > take is the judge is giving the lady a mandate without the tools to do the > job. (Sound anything like our federal government and unfunded mandates?) > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:54:06 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:56:32 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What's with the multiple posts with no comments? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heid1 wrote: > "sk1w1" wrote in message news:ctnhfn$66a$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>troll posing as Heidi aka Spamvampireslayer - some script kiddie with >>some grudge they have developed for being called on being a dickhead... > > > Or not. I have my own theory about who's behind this. One could even muse that the > "infestation" was invited, giving that the resident > troll, and someone who has repeatedly attacked me and been caught out using various > sock puppets, seem to both post at alt.hackers.malicious. Go Google, it's > entertaining as all hell. > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:54:10 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:56:36 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What's with the multiple posts with no comments? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heid1 wrote: > "Stewart Gordon" wrote in message > news:cto7j7$kge$1@news.spamcop.net... > > The real Heidi and Spamvireslayer, OTOH, are both OE lusers. > > Hey hey hey now, I always say people who hate OE don't know how to use > it...harrumph. > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:54:26 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:56:39 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "David Dean" > > | > 'Watch out, that will go straight to your A**' This from a > | > daytime TV spot. > | > | While this may not have been appropriate, how is it harmful? I assume > | you did discuss with her that there are some things that you shouldn't > | say because sometimes it makes people not like you as much. > | > > There are far too many kids that do not have positive influences in their > lives giving them more negatives does not serve either them or society. > Though my work with the foster program I've run into more than a few kids > under the age of 8 that could make a long shoreman blush and are prone to > act on the vindictive. > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:54:29 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:56:42 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "David Dean" > | > | > working actively to address those things you > | > cannot control such as broadcast media. > | > | What's that saying? Give me the strength to change the things I can > | and the serenity to accept the things I cannot? > > Perhaps that that is not what I'm advocating far from it. > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:54:32 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:56:46 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "David Dean" > > | > How do you propose to accomplish that task? I grew up in a much gentler > | > time (they did not show a married couple in the same bed on TV) and > despite > | > the eagle eyes of a constantly in attendance grand mother I managed to > get > | > into a lot of 'stuff' that was outside the realm of what was age > appropart > | > for me. > | > | Are you worse off for the 'stuff' they missed? It is about managing > | risk. You're not going to catch everything, but you can likely keep the > | worst away, and manage what does get through. > > Can't say I'm worse/better off but I did encounter things that I was not > mentally or emotionally prepared understand much less address. But my point > was that regardless of how vigilant one might try to be as a parent you > cannot do the job alone. > > | > As to controlling the access I can control access to cable TV and I can > | > control access to the SatRadio system but I cannot control what is > broadcast > | > (and the key word is broadcast) on standard TV and radio. > | > | Radio and /old/ TVs have no parental control features, and I don't > | trust the internet ones. In these instances we have to expend the effort > | of being there ourselves until we can trust the kids. > | > | > By your presumption it should be ok to have graphic examples of the > | > application of hemorrhoid cream and tampons on live TV. > | > | This is called misleading vividness: > | > | It is a logical fallacy. Things like this are not likely, but > | possible. If you rule thins out because of exceptional conditions, then > | you wouldn't let your kids ride in the car with you, lest they see a > | bumper sticker with profanity on it. > > I have learned that objectionable things in the media that are considered > 'not likely' are increasingly less and less 'not likely'. For example some > discussions and advertisements that are aired after the witching hour say on > the Tonight Show have no place on programs aired much earlier in the day. > Just as customs and behavior that are acceptable on Bourbon Street on Madi > Gras (spl?) have no place on other streets in New Orleans even on the same > day. > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:54:40 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:56:49 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What's with the multiple posts with no comments? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > Porpoise wrote: > >> Is it just me? Seems like first it was Heidi, now it's Spamvireslayer >> posting multiple replies without actually adding any comments to the >> tread........ >> > > The troll is back and attempting to DDOS the newsgroup. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:54:41 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:56:53 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "Frog Prince" wrote: > > >>'Watch out, that will go straight to your A**' This from a >>daytime TV spot. > > > While this may not have been appropriate, how is it harmful? I assume > you did discuss with her that there are some things that you shouldn't > say because sometimes it makes people not like you as much. > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:54:43 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:56:56 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "Frog Prince" wrote: > > >>working actively to address those things you >>cannot control such as broadcast media. > > > What's that saying? Give me the strength to change the things I can > and the serenity to accept the things I cannot? > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:54:51 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:57:00 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "David Dean" > > | > 'Watch out, that will go straight to your A**' This from a > | > daytime TV spot. > | > | While this may not have been appropriate, how is it harmful? I assume > | you did discuss with her that there are some things that you shouldn't > | say because sometimes it makes people not like you as much. > | > > There are far too many kids that do not have positive influences in their > lives giving them more negatives does not serve either them or society. > Though my work with the foster program I've run into more than a few kids > under the age of 8 that could make a long shoreman blush and are prone to > act on the vindictive. > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:54:52 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:57:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "David Dean" > | > | > working actively to address those things you > | > cannot control such as broadcast media. > | > | What's that saying? Give me the strength to change the things I can > | and the serenity to accept the things I cannot? > > Perhaps that that is not what I'm advocating far from it. > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:54:54 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:57:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "David Dean" > > | > How do you propose to accomplish that task? I grew up in a much gentler > | > time (they did not show a married couple in the same bed on TV) and > despite > | > the eagle eyes of a constantly in attendance grand mother I managed to > get > | > into a lot of 'stuff' that was outside the realm of what was age > appropart > | > for me. > | > | Are you worse off for the 'stuff' they missed? It is about managing > | risk. You're not going to catch everything, but you can likely keep the > | worst away, and manage what does get through. > > Can't say I'm worse/better off but I did encounter things that I was not > mentally or emotionally prepared understand much less address. But my point > was that regardless of how vigilant one might try to be as a parent you > cannot do the job alone. > > | > As to controlling the access I can control access to cable TV and I can > | > control access to the SatRadio system but I cannot control what is > broadcast > | > (and the key word is broadcast) on standard TV and radio. > | > | Radio and /old/ TVs have no parental control features, and I don't > | trust the internet ones. In these instances we have to expend the effort > | of being there ourselves until we can trust the kids. > | > | > By your presumption it should be ok to have graphic examples of the > | > application of hemorrhoid cream and tampons on live TV. > | > | This is called misleading vividness: > | > | It is a logical fallacy. Things like this are not likely, but > | possible. If you rule thins out because of exceptional conditions, then > | you wouldn't let your kids ride in the car with you, lest they see a > | bumper sticker with profanity on it. > > I have learned that objectionable things in the media that are considered > 'not likely' are increasingly less and less 'not likely'. For example some > discussions and advertisements that are aired after the witching hour say on > the Tonight Show have no place on programs aired much earlier in the day. > Just as customs and behavior that are acceptable on Bourbon Street on Madi > Gras (spl?) have no place on other streets in New Orleans even on the same > day. > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:54:58 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:57:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What's with the multiple posts with no comments? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > Porpoise wrote: > >> Is it just me? Seems like first it was Heidi, now it's Spamvireslayer >> posting multiple replies without actually adding any comments to the >> tread........ >> > > The troll is back and attempting to DDOS the newsgroup. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:55:00 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:57:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "Frog Prince" wrote: > > >>'Watch out, that will go straight to your A**' This from a >>daytime TV spot. > > > While this may not have been appropriate, how is it harmful? I assume > you did discuss with her that there are some things that you shouldn't > say because sometimes it makes people not like you as much. > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:55:02 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Feb 1 12:57:17 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "Frog Prince" wrote: > > >>working actively to address those things you >>cannot control such as broadcast media. > > > What's that saying? Give me the strength to change the things I can > and the serenity to accept the things I cannot? > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:57:13 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:00:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Miss Betsy wrote: > > >>that works in the other direction as well - see my other email > > about 20+ > >>year immigrants who live in "enclaves" in large cities and never > > feel > >>they have a need or are inclined to speak English - is there a > > factor of > >>cultural arrogance here? > > > I don't think that it is cultural arrogance exactly. If you are > not working, or work in stores that serve mostly those in the > enclave, there is no incentive nor opportunity to practice english. > And some people just are not talented in learning language (they > may not speak their native language that well either!) As for > people who retain thick accents 20, 30, 60 years after immigration, > that is some people's way of coping with the stress of uprooting, I > have read. The people who are most successful at moving (even just > those in the military or jobs that require frequent moves as well > as immigrants) have something in their lives that does not change > (it may be as simple as the way they arrange their bedside table), > but for some it is the retention of the accent (I have read) > > IMHO, it is only arrogance when they expect their new country to > accommodate their language when they are dealing with natives. > > >>I went to a friend's wedding the other day, she is Greek heritage > > but > >>born in the US (yeah, yeah, big, fat and all that...) - her > > father came > >>late in life to the US, speaks good English as he is a good > > businessman > >>- the wedding was about 60 / 40 Greek speakers / other I > > estimate - and > >>he spoke not a SINGLE word of English during his 20 minute > > "father of > >>the bride" spiel... so in a sense, not acknowledging his > > daughter's > >>non-Greek-speaking friends and indeed I think disrespecting > > them... not > >>a good way to make friends outside the Greek immigrant community! > > > It was certainly rude to invite non-Greek speaking people and then > not speak to them in their language! However, a ritual like a > wedding should not be held to the same criteria as other examples. > If he had spoken for 20 minutes in Greek and two or three in > English explaining, that would have been appropriate. I mean, how > can you have a Greek wedding if it is in English? > > Miss Betsy > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:57:17 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:00:14 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: sk1w1 wrote: > Indigo wrote: > >> Tim McGraw wrote: >> >>> Indigo wrote: >>> >>>> Asian immigrants seem to do it quite easily......they have a >>>> stronger work ethic or they know the way to success is to learn how >>>> to communicate in the common language? >>> >>> >>> Could it be because when they arrive here that Asians are coming from >>> a higher social strata? Or perhaps because English is taught in their >>> schools? >> >> >> >> Possibly, but I doubt you could claim that for the large majority of >> Asian >> immigrants. From what I've read the difference is that the Asian cultures >> tend to have very good self-support groups, i.e. they pool money to help >> each other open small businesses. > > > that works in the other direction as well - see my other email about 20+ > year immigrants who live in "enclaves" in large cities and never feel > they have a need or are inclined to speak English - is there a factor of > cultural arrogance here? > > I went to a friend's wedding the other day, she is Greek heritage but > born in the US (yeah, yeah, big, fat and all that...) - her father came > late in life to the US, speaks good English as he is a good businessman > - the wedding was about 60 / 40 Greek speakers / other I estimate - and > he spoke not a SINGLE word of English during his 20 minute "father of > the bride" spiel... so in a sense, not acknowledging his daughter's > non-Greek-speaking friends and indeed I think disrespecting them... not > a good way to make friends outside the Greek immigrant community! From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:57:19 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:00:18 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Whizzing your way to freedom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Miss Betsy wrote: > "Tim McGraw" wrote in message > news:ctltmp$s5j$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>Finally, some news that affects real people! >> >>Man Pees Way Out of Avalanche >>January 30th, 2005 >> >>A Slovak man trapped in his car under an avalanche freed himself > > by > >>drinking 60 bottles of beer and urinating on the snow to melt it. >> >>Rescue teams found Richard Kral drunk and staggering along a > > mountain > >>path four days after his Audi car was buried in the Slovak Tatra > > mountains. > > He must have been on his way to a party! Now if you travel in > avalanche country, a couple of cases of beer can not only give some > weight for traction but be part of your cold weather emergency kit! > Then in the spring, you can have the party! > > Miss Betsy > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:57:23 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:00:22 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What's with the multiple posts with no comments? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: sk1w1 wrote: > Porpoise wrote: > >> Is it just me? Seems like first it was Heidi, now it's Spamvireslayer >> posting multiple replies without actually adding any comments to the >> tread........ > > > > troll posing as Heidi aka Spamvampireslayer - some script kiddie with > some grudge they have developed for being called on being a dickhead... > rotating IPs so killfiles not as effectual... > > previously having conversations with themselves (sign of a loosely held > together individual) - especially quite gross ones about, well, never > mind - just some pinhead whose Playstation has broken down and has > rubbed their own dick off through too much manual stimulation - so > looking for some feeble way to pass the time of day.... > > some back channel going on as to approaches to how to best "remove the > infestation"... From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:57:25 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:00:25 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What's with the multiple posts with no comments? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Pete Stephenson wrote: > In article , > "Porpoise" wrote: > > >>Is it just me? Seems like first it was Heidi, now it's Spamvireslayer >>posting multiple replies without actually adding any comments to the >>tread........ > > > It would appear to be some sort of troll/flood attack. > > It's rather annoying, that's for sure. > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:57:27 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:00:29 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What's with the multiple posts with no comments? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > Is it just me? Seems like first it was Heidi, now it's Spamvireslayer > posting multiple replies without actually adding any comments to the > tread........ > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:57:29 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:00:33 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: McDonald's outsourcing drive-thru joba In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > "Bert Driehuis" wrote in message > news:ctmr0h$gtt$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>Sylvesterthekat wrote: >> >> >> >>>Do you REALLY believe that the Chinese would be at all hampered by having >>>to >>>do things in imperial measurements? They're clever enough to have >>>overcome >>>much bigger obstacles than that! >> >>The Chinese, like the rest of the world, have a cost issue with the >>requirement to keep stock in both metric and imperial sizes. But because >>labor is cheap there, they're not half as affected. > > > Wow, you're kidding me right? You mean you guys still manufacture stuff in > imperial sizes? God! I don't know /any/ other country that still manufatures > things in imperial ....?? > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:57:31 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:00:37 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > "Tim McGraw" wrote in message > news:ctmo6a$ffk$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>IIRC, English is taught widely in Asia - particularly industrialized >>nations and to an increasing extent China. Third-world Asian countries, >>less so. However, my nephew has spent mucho years in Indonesia (the safe >>half) and found many, many natives who spoke English well. >> >>OTOH, I would defer to you for general antecdotal information - you seem >>to have spent much time helping many of these immigrants. >> > > > FWIW that seems to be the picture here too....... it seems to be mostly the > hispanics (Spanish/Portuguese) that don't/won't bother to learn English - > most other Europeans/Asians tend to learn it as a second language at school. > But then they tend to be the ones that come here to do the lower paid jobs > that /we/ don't want - because they're not educated enough to get decent > jobs in their own country either.......... > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 05:57:52 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:00:41 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > "Tim McGraw" wrote in message > news:ctmo6a$ffk$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>IIRC, English is taught widely in Asia - particularly industrialized >>nations and to an increasing extent China. Third-world Asian countries, >>less so. However, my nephew has spent mucho years in Indonesia (the safe >>half) and found many, many natives who spoke English well. >> >>OTOH, I would defer to you for general antecdotal information - you seem >>to have spent much time helping many of these immigrants. >> > > > FWIW that seems to be the picture here too....... it seems to be mostly the > hispanics (Spanish/Portuguese) that don't/won't bother to learn English - > most other Europeans/Asians tend to learn it as a second language at school. > But then they tend to be the ones that come here to do the lower paid jobs > that /we/ don't want - because they're not educated enough to get decent > jobs in their own country either.......... > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:59:04 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:00:45 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > "Tim McGraw" wrote in message > news:ctmo6a$ffk$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>IIRC, English is taught widely in Asia - particularly industrialized >>nations and to an increasing extent China. Third-world Asian countries, >>less so. However, my nephew has spent mucho years in Indonesia (the safe >>half) and found many, many natives who spoke English well. >> >>OTOH, I would defer to you for general antecdotal information - you seem >>to have spent much time helping many of these immigrants. >> > > > FWIW that seems to be the picture here too....... it seems to be mostly the > hispanics (Spanish/Portuguese) that don't/won't bother to learn English - > most other Europeans/Asians tend to learn it as a second language at school. > But then they tend to be the ones that come here to do the lower paid jobs > that /we/ don't want - because they're not educated enough to get decent > jobs in their own country either.......... > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 10:20:45 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:05:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: sk1w1 wrote: > Indigo wrote: > >> Tim McGraw wrote: >> >>> Indigo wrote: >>> >>>> Asian immigrants seem to do it quite easily......they have a >>>> stronger work ethic or they know the way to success is to learn how >>>> to communicate in the common language? >>> >>> >>> Could it be because when they arrive here that Asians are coming from >>> a higher social strata? Or perhaps because English is taught in their >>> schools? >> >> >> >> Possibly, but I doubt you could claim that for the large majority of >> Asian >> immigrants. From what I've read the difference is that the Asian cultures >> tend to have very good self-support groups, i.e. they pool money to help >> each other open small businesses. > > > that works in the other direction as well - see my other email about 20+ > year immigrants who live in "enclaves" in large cities and never feel > they have a need or are inclined to speak English - is there a factor of > cultural arrogance here? > > I went to a friend's wedding the other day, she is Greek heritage but > born in the US (yeah, yeah, big, fat and all that...) - her father came > late in life to the US, speaks good English as he is a good businessman > - the wedding was about 60 / 40 Greek speakers / other I estimate - and > he spoke not a SINGLE word of English during his 20 minute "father of > the bride" spiel... so in a sense, not acknowledging his daughter's > non-Greek-speaking friends and indeed I think disrespecting them... not > a good way to make friends outside the Greek immigrant community! From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 05:44:07 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:05:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What's with the multiple posts with no comments? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > Is it just me? Seems like first it was Heidi, now it's Spamvireslayer > posting multiple replies without actually adding any comments to the > tread........ > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 05:44:22 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:05:16 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What's with the multiple posts with no comments? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Pete Stephenson wrote: > In article , > "Porpoise" wrote: > > >>Is it just me? Seems like first it was Heidi, now it's Spamvireslayer >>posting multiple replies without actually adding any comments to the >>tread........ > > > It would appear to be some sort of troll/flood attack. > > It's rather annoying, that's for sure. > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 05:36:44 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:05:20 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: McDonald's outsourcing drive-thru joba In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Bert Driehuis" > > | > Do you REALLY believe that the Chinese would be at all hampered by > having to > | > do things in imperial measurements? They're clever enough to have > overcome > | > much bigger obstacles than that! > | > | The Chinese, like the rest of the world, have a cost issue with the > | requirement to keep stock in both metric and imperial sizes. But because > | labor is cheap there, they're not half as affected. > > The solution, in part, is to use tools in the finer English measurements. > For exam most tool are 1/2, 1/8, 1/16 but if taken to the next level 1/32 > these are almost interchangeable with standard metric equilvants. > > The other side is that as parts are source from all over (especially in the > auto business). One finds both English and metric parts on almost all cars > (including imports). > > My son teaches a course in Bachelor Survival 101, cooking for (mostly male) > teens and is often asked how to convert from metric to English and not so > much the other way 'round. So it is evident that the switch is taking > place, abit slowly. > > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 03:47:59 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:05:25 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Miss Betsy wrote: > > >>that works in the other direction as well - see my other email > > about 20+ > >>year immigrants who live in "enclaves" in large cities and never > > feel > >>they have a need or are inclined to speak English - is there a > > factor of > >>cultural arrogance here? > > > I don't think that it is cultural arrogance exactly. If you are > not working, or work in stores that serve mostly those in the > enclave, there is no incentive nor opportunity to practice english. > And some people just are not talented in learning language (they > may not speak their native language that well either!) As for > people who retain thick accents 20, 30, 60 years after immigration, > that is some people's way of coping with the stress of uprooting, I > have read. The people who are most successful at moving (even just > those in the military or jobs that require frequent moves as well > as immigrants) have something in their lives that does not change > (it may be as simple as the way they arrange their bedside table), > but for some it is the retention of the accent (I have read) > > IMHO, it is only arrogance when they expect their new country to > accommodate their language when they are dealing with natives. > > >>I went to a friend's wedding the other day, she is Greek heritage > > but > >>born in the US (yeah, yeah, big, fat and all that...) - her > > father came > >>late in life to the US, speaks good English as he is a good > > businessman > >>- the wedding was about 60 / 40 Greek speakers / other I > > estimate - and > >>he spoke not a SINGLE word of English during his 20 minute > > "father of > >>the bride" spiel... so in a sense, not acknowledging his > > daughter's > >>non-Greek-speaking friends and indeed I think disrespecting > > them... not > >>a good way to make friends outside the Greek immigrant community! > > > It was certainly rude to invite non-Greek speaking people and then > not speak to them in their language! However, a ritual like a > wedding should not be held to the same criteria as other examples. > If he had spoken for 20 minutes in Greek and two or three in > English explaining, that would have been appropriate. I mean, how > can you have a Greek wedding if it is in English? > > Miss Betsy > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 03:52:41 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:05:29 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Whizzing your way to freedom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Miss Betsy wrote: > "Tim McGraw" wrote in message > news:ctltmp$s5j$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>Finally, some news that affects real people! >> >>Man Pees Way Out of Avalanche >>January 30th, 2005 >> >>A Slovak man trapped in his car under an avalanche freed himself > > by > >>drinking 60 bottles of beer and urinating on the snow to melt it. >> >>Rescue teams found Richard Kral drunk and staggering along a > > mountain > >>path four days after his Audi car was buried in the Slovak Tatra > > mountains. > > He must have been on his way to a party! Now if you travel in > avalanche country, a couple of cases of beer can not only give some > weight for traction but be part of your cold weather emergency kit! > Then in the spring, you can have the party! > > Miss Betsy > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 07:06:33 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:20:41 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "sk1w1" > > | > Possibly, but I doubt you could claim that for the large majority of > Asian > | > immigrants. From what I've read the difference is that the Asian > cultures > | > tend to have very good self-support groups, i.e. they pool money to help > | > each other open small businesses. > | > | that works in the other direction as well - see my other email about 20+ > | year immigrants who live in "enclaves" in large cities and never feel > | they have a need or are inclined to speak English - is there a factor of > | cultural arrogance here? > > Perhaps it's being uncomfortable with the language. It took me a long time > (and getting lost in Tokyo) before I would even try my Japanese language > skills on anyone that I did not know well. (FIWI it was so much fun that > I'd make plans to 'getting lost' on every trip) > > My wife was an ESL teacher in Dallas for Japanese women. At a dinner party > we held for several friends where the only common language was Japanese > (long story) my wife being new to the Japanese language went plaintively to > each guest and 'begged' for vs. offering a cup of coffee. Everyone smile > and accepted or declined based on their preference and never let on to her > mistake. > > At around 2 AM the next morning my wife woke me (speaking Japanese) and > asked me the same question. My response why the h*ll do you want me to fix > you coffee at this time of the morning? > > In any case she would often tell the story on herself as an ice breaker for > her class and as a clear indication that the only way to learn was to use > the language despite the possibility of embarrassment. > > She also had a lot of video tapes of our trying to use the language in > Japan. Perhaps I should submit to Japan's Funniest Video, likely win the > grand prize. > > OT story. My daughter and daughter-in-law (23 and 20 y.o and in the > vascular of males 'all legs') were walking though the mall one day. A > Japanese gentleman and his wife were walking 10 feet or so behind. My wife > observed the gentlemen 'watching' these young ladies with a bit more > approval than one would normally expect in proper society. My wife (we > were walking parallel to the couple) made the comment 'pretty legs aren't' > they in Japanese'. The man jumped like he'd be poked with a sharp stick and > his wife broke up in involuntary laughter as she had been watching him watch > them. We wound up having coffee with the couple as a result, the lady taking > ESL lessons from my wife and they becoming fast friends. > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 07:26:59 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:21:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What's with the multiple posts with no comments? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jan M. Nelken wrote: > sk1w1 wrote: > >> troll posing as Heidi aka Spamvampireslayer - some script kiddie with >> some grudge they have developed for being called on being a >> dickhead... rotating IPs so killfiles not as effectual... > > > In Mozilla and/or FireFox - is there a way to block *existing* posts as > well as *new* posts with some set of criterias? How? What criteria > selectors are available? > > Jan M. Nelken From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 07:30:24 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:21:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Moyers on the End Times In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: JerryMouse wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: > >>JerryMouse wrote: >> >>>Moyers claims some believe that the sooner the earth is denuded of >>>natural resources, the sooner the "Rapture," in which believing >>>Christians are taken up to heaven, will take place. Further, since >>>the government has been taken over, virtually, by these right-wing >>>fundamentalists, obviously they intend to use the powers of >>>government to destroy the environment, thereby hastening the day. >>> >>>Moyers must be really upset, because he made so ghastly blunders in >>>his article. Here's one: >>> >>>"The only Democrat to score 100 percent with the Christian coalition >>>was Sen. Zell Miller of Georgia, who recently quoted from the >>>biblical book of Amos on the Senate floor: "The days will come, >>>sayeth the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land." He >>>seemed to be relishing the thought." It wasn't 'recently,' it was a year >>>ago (Feb 12th, 2004). At the >>>time, Miller was quoting one of Martin Luther King's speeches. Not >>>Dr. King or Senator Miller or the prophet Amos were referring to a >>>literal "famine" that Moyers fears. The next sentence in the Book of >>>Amos is: "Not a famine for bread or thirst for water, but of hearing >>>the word of the Lord." Anyway, here's Moyers article: >>>http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/013105F.shtml >> >>A very minor point in an otherwise very factual article. >> >>Besides, what Christian has ever read the Book of Amos? It's not in >>the Christian Old Testament. > > > Dr King evidently read the Book of Amos since he used it in the speech > Senator Miller quoted. The book of Amos does appear in the Old Testament. > > The article was not "very factual." It was mostly opinion. I just pointed > out that one of the "facts" used to support the opinion, was, in fact, > Dowdified.* > > -------- > *Modifying a quote to make it appear as if the speaker meant something > entirely different. > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 07:36:09 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:21:15 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What's with the multiple posts with no comments? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Stewart Gordon wrote: > Porpoise wrote: > >> Is it just me? > > > No. > >> Seems like first it was Heidi, now it's Spamvireslayer posting >> multiple replies without actually adding any comments to the >> tread........ > > > Notice that all the blank posts claim to have been sent using Mozilla > Thunderbird. The real Heidi and Spamvireslayer, OTOH, are both OE lusers. > > The attack must've ended now - they all seem to predate (or pretime) > this thread.... > > Stewart. > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 07:36:23 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:21:19 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What's with the multiple posts with no comments? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Jan M. Nelken" wrote in message > news:cto6ml$jqt$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>sk1w1 wrote: >> >> >>>troll posing as Heidi aka Spamvampireslayer - some script kiddie with >>>some grudge they have developed for being called on being a dickhead... >>>rotating IPs so killfiles not as effectual... >> >>In Mozilla and/or FireFox - is there a way to block *existing* posts as > > well as > >>*new* posts with some set of criterias? How? What criteria selectors are > > available? > > Best thing to do is thread by time and then select them all (they tend to be > bunched together) and hit delete. > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 07:41:27 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:21:23 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What's with the multiple posts with no comments? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heid1 wrote: > "sk1w1" wrote in message news:ctnhfn$66a$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>troll posing as Heidi aka Spamvampireslayer - some script kiddie with >>some grudge they have developed for being called on being a dickhead... > > > Or not. I have my own theory about who's behind this. One could even muse that the > "infestation" was invited, giving that the resident > troll, and someone who has repeatedly attacked me and been caught out using various > sock puppets, seem to both post at alt.hackers.malicious. Go Google, it's > entertaining as all hell. > > From noone at devnll.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 08:21:36 2005 From: noone at devnll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:25:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "Frog Prince" wrote: > > >>David, curious how many kids do you have and what are their ages? > > > I have a four year old daughter. > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 08:33:35 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:36:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What's with the multiple posts with no comments? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Stewart Gordon wrote: > Porpoise wrote: > >> Is it just me? > > > No. > >> Seems like first it was Heidi, now it's Spamvireslayer posting >> multiple replies without actually adding any comments to the >> tread........ > > > Notice that all the blank posts claim to have been sent using Mozilla > Thunderbird. The real Heidi and Spamvireslayer, OTOH, are both OE lusers. > > The attack must've ended now - they all seem to predate (or pretime) > this thread.... > > Stewart. > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 08:33:46 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:36:24 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What's with the multiple posts with no comments? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Jan M. Nelken" wrote in message > news:cto6ml$jqt$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>sk1w1 wrote: >> >> >>>troll posing as Heidi aka Spamvampireslayer - some script kiddie with >>>some grudge they have developed for being called on being a dickhead... >>>rotating IPs so killfiles not as effectual... >> >>In Mozilla and/or FireFox - is there a way to block *existing* posts as > > well as > >>*new* posts with some set of criterias? How? What criteria selectors are > > available? > > Best thing to do is thread by time and then select them all (they tend to be > bunched together) and hit delete. > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 08:34:04 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:36:29 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "J. Weaver Jr." > > | > Based on my personal observations of the job market in the Appalachians > ... > | > unlikely as many native English speaking workers have to work several > jobs > | > to stay afloat. BTW staying afloat equates to keeping your nose barely > | > above water and fearing the sound the motor boat of additional lay offs. > | > | I spent a couple hours talking to one of the contractors that just redid > | my kitchen countertops (replacing 30-year-old Formica with shiny _new_ > | Formica). _His_ observation, commenting on all the new home construction > | and remodeling going on in this area (metro DC) was that anyone who > | didn't have a job (even as a day laborer) didn't _want_ a job. > | > | Just his opinion, but he and his son were spending the last days > | of three straight work weeks away their home in the Carolinas. They > | _wanted_ to work, and they were. (And they did good work, too.) -JW > > Plant in Conover NC has been in business more that 100 years just announced > that by Aril they will be completely shut down. Some employees have been > working there for 40+ years will be on the street as will several hundred > others. Much like other workers in this area (Kannapolis plant when out of > business ~ one year ago and laid off 4500 people) there are few jobs in any > field to apply for. USAir (you know the one that just filed bankruptcy for > the second time in a few years) announced the opening service at the local > airport. Had 6000 applicants for 4 positions. > > Operation making insulation for autos in Fort Mill NC is on short shifts > (<30 hours) due to low demand. Retail in Pigeon Forge TN and surrounding > area has low unemployment but majority of the jobs are ~ minimum wage. > > Both NC and Tenn. have cut their health care programs for the low income > folk. > > I know personally of several families in this area where both patents have > to drive several hundred miles to find work that not counting commuting > expense results in substance wages. > > According to the government the disposable income for Americans went up last > year STRICTLY due to MS $3 dividend otherwise the rate of increase was > neutral. (some areas more some areas less) > > Regardless the probability of language lessons increasing the lady's income > is extremely low. Not having the benefit of the full facts in the case my > take is the judge is giving the lady a mandate without the tools to do the > job. (Sound anything like our federal government and unfunded mandates?) > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 07:34:54 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:36:35 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Moyers on the End Times In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: JerryMouse wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: > >>JerryMouse wrote: >> >>>Moyers claims some believe that the sooner the earth is denuded of >>>natural resources, the sooner the "Rapture," in which believing >>>Christians are taken up to heaven, will take place. Further, since >>>the government has been taken over, virtually, by these right-wing >>>fundamentalists, obviously they intend to use the powers of >>>government to destroy the environment, thereby hastening the day. >>> >>>Moyers must be really upset, because he made so ghastly blunders in >>>his article. Here's one: >>> >>>"The only Democrat to score 100 percent with the Christian coalition >>>was Sen. Zell Miller of Georgia, who recently quoted from the >>>biblical book of Amos on the Senate floor: "The days will come, >>>sayeth the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land." He >>>seemed to be relishing the thought." It wasn't 'recently,' it was a year >>>ago (Feb 12th, 2004). At the >>>time, Miller was quoting one of Martin Luther King's speeches. Not >>>Dr. King or Senator Miller or the prophet Amos were referring to a >>>literal "famine" that Moyers fears. The next sentence in the Book of >>>Amos is: "Not a famine for bread or thirst for water, but of hearing >>>the word of the Lord." Anyway, here's Moyers article: >>>http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/013105F.shtml >> >>A very minor point in an otherwise very factual article. >> >>Besides, what Christian has ever read the Book of Amos? It's not in >>the Christian Old Testament. > > > Dr King evidently read the Book of Amos since he used it in the speech > Senator Miller quoted. The book of Amos does appear in the Old Testament. > > The article was not "very factual." It was mostly opinion. I just pointed > out that one of the "facts" used to support the opinion, was, in fact, > Dowdified.* > > -------- > *Modifying a quote to make it appear as if the speaker meant something > entirely different. > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 07:35:14 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:36:39 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What's with the multiple posts with no comments? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > Jan M. Nelken wrote: > >> sk1w1 wrote: >> >>> troll posing as Heidi aka Spamvampireslayer - some script kiddie with >>> some grudge they have developed for being called on being a >>> dickhead... rotating IPs so killfiles not as effectual... >> >> >> >> In Mozilla and/or FireFox - is there a way to block *existing* posts >> as well as *new* posts with some set of criterias? How? What criteria >> selectors are available? >> >> Jan M. Nelken From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 05:53:40 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:36:44 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What's with the multiple posts with no comments? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > Porpoise wrote: > >> Is it just me? Seems like first it was Heidi, now it's Spamvireslayer >> posting multiple replies without actually adding any comments to the >> tread........ >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 05:00:10 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:36:48 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "sk1w1" > > | >>As I recall there is/was a federal requirement to speak English for the > | >>citizenship test as exampled by the problems a family had with a 23 y.o. > | >>disabled daughter the parents wanted to gain citizenship when they > gained > | >>citizenship. > > | > I'm trying to find out more about this, but I cannot find a law > | > referenced anywhere. > | > | Yes, there is a language requirement - see the INS site (let me know and > | I will chase down the URL...) - I am going for my US citizenship at the > | moment.... there are some dispensations though, and the agents have some > | latitude as well I understand... luckily I speakable passable English > | with an overlay of Gibberish... > > Ahhh another caudate for political office. > > As to the flexibility I think that came about due to the disabled young > woman's case which took an act of Congress to fix in the short run. > > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 07:30:43 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:36:54 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "J. Weaver Jr." wrote: > > >>it's a bit easier to be a part of "the great >>melting pot" if you're at least slightly willing to melt. Learning the >>_common_ langauge is a nice start. > > > I agree with the above, but I also think that we should try to have > facilities available for those who haven't quite melted yet. > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:31:14 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:36:59 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What's with the multiple posts with no comments? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > Porpoise wrote: > >> Is it just me? Seems like first it was Heidi, now it's Spamvireslayer >> posting multiple replies without actually adding any comments to the >> tread........ >> > > The troll is back and attempting to DDOS the newsgroup. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:57:46 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:40:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > Miss Betsy wrote: > >> >> >>> that works in the other direction as well - see my other email >> >> >> about 20+ >> >>> year immigrants who live in "enclaves" in large cities and never >> >> >> feel >> >>> they have a need or are inclined to speak English - is there a >> >> >> factor of >> >>> cultural arrogance here? >> >> >> >> I don't think that it is cultural arrogance exactly. If you are >> not working, or work in stores that serve mostly those in the >> enclave, there is no incentive nor opportunity to practice english. >> And some people just are not talented in learning language (they >> may not speak their native language that well either!) As for >> people who retain thick accents 20, 30, 60 years after immigration, >> that is some people's way of coping with the stress of uprooting, I >> have read. The people who are most successful at moving (even just >> those in the military or jobs that require frequent moves as well >> as immigrants) have something in their lives that does not change >> (it may be as simple as the way they arrange their bedside table), >> but for some it is the retention of the accent (I have read) >> >> IMHO, it is only arrogance when they expect their new country to >> accommodate their language when they are dealing with natives. >> >> >>> I went to a friend's wedding the other day, she is Greek heritage >> >> >> but >> >>> born in the US (yeah, yeah, big, fat and all that...) - her >> >> >> father came >> >>> late in life to the US, speaks good English as he is a good >> >> >> businessman >> >>> - the wedding was about 60 / 40 Greek speakers / other I >> >> >> estimate - and >> >>> he spoke not a SINGLE word of English during his 20 minute >> >> >> "father of >> >>> the bride" spiel... so in a sense, not acknowledging his >> >> >> daughter's >> >>> non-Greek-speaking friends and indeed I think disrespecting >> >> >> them... not >> >>> a good way to make friends outside the Greek immigrant community! >> >> >> >> It was certainly rude to invite non-Greek speaking people and then >> not speak to them in their language! However, a ritual like a >> wedding should not be held to the same criteria as other examples. >> If he had spoken for 20 minutes in Greek and two or three in >> English explaining, that would have been appropriate. I mean, how >> can you have a Greek wedding if it is in English? >> >> Miss Betsy >> >> From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:58:03 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:40:19 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > sk1w1 wrote: > >> Indigo wrote: >> >>> Tim McGraw wrote: >>> >>>> Indigo wrote: >>>> >>>>> Asian immigrants seem to do it quite easily......they have a >>>>> stronger work ethic or they know the way to success is to learn how >>>>> to communicate in the common language? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Could it be because when they arrive here that Asians are coming from >>>> a higher social strata? Or perhaps because English is taught in their >>>> schools? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Possibly, but I doubt you could claim that for the large majority of >>> Asian >>> immigrants. From what I've read the difference is that the Asian >>> cultures >>> tend to have very good self-support groups, i.e. they pool money to help >>> each other open small businesses. >> >> >> >> that works in the other direction as well - see my other email about >> 20+ year immigrants who live in "enclaves" in large cities and never >> feel they have a need or are inclined to speak English - is there a >> factor of cultural arrogance here? >> >> I went to a friend's wedding the other day, she is Greek heritage but >> born in the US (yeah, yeah, big, fat and all that...) - her father >> came late in life to the US, speaks good English as he is a good >> businessman - the wedding was about 60 / 40 Greek speakers / other I >> estimate - and he spoke not a SINGLE word of English during his 20 >> minute "father of the bride" spiel... so in a sense, not acknowledging >> his daughter's non-Greek-speaking friends and indeed I think >> disrespecting them... not a good way to make friends outside the Greek >> immigrant community! From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 03:58:56 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:40:24 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > Indigo wrote: > >> Tim McGraw wrote: >> >>> Indigo wrote: >>> >>>> Asian immigrants seem to do it quite easily......they have a >>>> stronger work ethic or they know the way to success is to learn how >>>> to communicate in the common language? >>> >>> >>> Could it be because when they arrive here that Asians are coming from >>> a higher social strata? Or perhaps because English is taught in their >>> schools? >> >> >> Possibly, but I doubt you could claim that for the large majority of >> Asian >> immigrants. From what I've read the difference is that the Asian cultures >> tend to have very good self-support groups, i.e. they pool money to help >> each other open small businesses. > > > You may be right, but were I a betting man I'd also lay money on more > Asians already knowing the language when they get here over > Spanish-speaking people. > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 08:59:34 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:40:28 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "J. Weaver Jr." wrote: > > >>_His_ observation, commenting on all the new home construction >>and remodelling going on in this area (metro DC) was that anyone who >>didn't have a job (even as a day laborer) didn't _want_ a job. > > > Here in the DC area, an able bodied man can find work as a day > laborer. The same cannot be said for all areas of the country, nor for > women and those with less than perfect health. However, working as a day > laborer in the construction business, one person cannot feed and house a > family here in DC, the cost of housing alone is too high. I lived in the > 'barrio' when I first moved here, and knew dozens of day laborers. > From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:37:03 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:40:33 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > Tim McGraw wrote: > >>This is one slippery slope I don't think you want to go down... how >>far away from "speak our language" is "attend our church"? > > > Light years. > > From no at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:40:18 2005 From: no at devnull.spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:45:17 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "Frog Prince" wrote: > > >>working actively to address those things you >>cannot control such as broadcast media. > > > What's that saying? Give me the strength to change the things I can > and the serenity to accept the things I cannot? > From no at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 08:20:12 2005 From: no at devnull.spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:45:33 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "Frog Prince" wrote: > > >>David, curious how many kids do you have and what are their ages? > > > I have a four year old daughter. > From no at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:20:28 2005 From: no at devnull.spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:45:39 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "David Dean" > | > | > working actively to address those things you > | > cannot control such as broadcast media. > | > | What's that saying? Give me the strength to change the things I can > | and the serenity to accept the things I cannot? > > Perhaps that that is not what I'm advocating far from it. > > From no at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:11:58 2005 From: no at devnull.spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:45:43 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "Frog Prince" wrote: > >>How do you propose to accomplish that task? I grew up in a much gentler >>time (they did not show a married couple in the same bed on TV) and despite >>the eagle eyes of a constantly in attendance grand mother I managed to get >>into a lot of 'stuff' that was outside the realm of what was age appropart >>for me. > > > Are you worse off for the 'stuff' they missed? It is about managing > risk. You're not going to catch everything, but you can likely keep the > worst away, and manage what does get through. > > >>As to controlling the access I can control access to cable TV and I can >>control access to the SatRadio system but I cannot control what is broadcast >>(and the key word is broadcast) on standard TV and radio. > > > Radio and /old/ TVs have no parental control features, and I don't > trust the internet ones. In these instances we have to expend the effort > of being there ourselves until we can trust the kids. > > >>By your presumption it should be ok to have graphic examples of the >>application of hemorrhoid cream and tampons on live TV. > > > This is called misleading vividness: > > It is a logical fallacy. Things like this are not likely, but > possible. If you rule thins out because of exceptional conditions, then > you wouldn't let your kids ride in the car with you, lest they see a > bumper sticker with profanity on it. > From no at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 06:14:21 2005 From: no at devnull.spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:50:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paging Heidi/Spamvireslayer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > Email me please, tried to send you something yesterday and it bounced. > From no at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 09:15:47 2005 From: no at devnull.spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:50:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What's with the multiple posts with no comments? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > Porpoise wrote: > >> Is it just me? Seems like first it was Heidi, now it's Spamvireslayer >> posting multiple replies without actually adding any comments to the >> tread........ >> > > The troll is back and attempting to DDOS the newsgroup. From no at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 04:16:23 2005 From: no at devnull.spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:50:18 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What's with the multiple posts with no comments? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Pete Stephenson wrote: > In article , > "Porpoise" wrote: > > >>Is it just me? Seems like first it was Heidi, now it's Spamvireslayer >>posting multiple replies without actually adding any comments to the >>tread........ > > > It would appear to be some sort of troll/flood attack. > > It's rather annoying, that's for sure. > From no at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 06:16:48 2005 From: no at devnull.spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:50:22 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What's with the multiple posts with no comments? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Pete Stephenson" > > | > Is it just me? Seems like first it was Heidi, now it's Spamvireslayer > | > posting multiple replies without actually adding any comments to the > | > tread........ > | > | It would appear to be some sort of troll/flood attack. > | > | It's rather annoying, that's for sure. > > Kinda like the dead skunk down the road only a small annoyance when the > wind is wrong but not much more than that. > > Speaking of annoyances. There was a long rant letter from a smoker > regarding the new/pending NO SMOKING ordnances in NC. Her stance was if you > don't like the smell/smoke 'STAY HOME'. In response another asked where she > planed to dine next as he and his buddies would be eating bean burritos for > the week proceeding and would be planning to sit at the next table. The end > comment 'if you don't like the smell 'STAY HOME'. > > I wonder if they planned to forgo bathing as well? > > From no at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 06:18:12 2005 From: no at devnull.spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:50:28 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Paging Heidi/Spamvireslayer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indigo wrote: > Email me please, tried to send you something yesterday and it bounced. > From no at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 05:18:54 2005 From: no at devnull.spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Tue Feb 1 13:50:33 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Those who do not learn from history... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: >>U.S. Encouraged by ... Vote : >>Officials Cite 83% Turnout Despite ... Terror >> >>by Peter Grose, Special to the New York Times >> >>WASHINGTON -- United States officials were surprised and heartened >>today at the size of turnout in... election despite >>a ... terrorist campaign to disrupt the voting. >> >>According to reports from ..., 83 per cent of the 5.85 million registered >>voters cast their ballots yesterday. Many of them risked reprisals >>threatened by the .... >> >>The size of the popular vote and the inability of the ... to destroy the >>election machinery were the two salient facts in a preliminary assessment of >>the nation election based on the incomplete returns reaching here. ... > > > Sound familiar? It's not from today's paper. It's from the Times for 4 > Sept 1967. The ellipses should be filled in with "South Vietnam" or > "Vietcong," as appropriate. > > For the rest of the article and commentary: > > ,http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/31/2335/87390> From no at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 03:48:28 2005 From: no at devnull.spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Tue Feb 1 14:00:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tupac Resurrection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: DC wrote: > This has been playing on cable so I checked it out. I never followed his > career but turns out he was a bit deeper and better versed than the press > indicated. > From no at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 04:49:01 2005 From: no at devnull.spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Tue Feb 1 14:00:21 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Those who do not learn from history... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: >>U.S. Encouraged by ... Vote : >>Officials Cite 83% Turnout Despite ... Terror >> >>by Peter Grose, Special to the New York Times >> >>WASHINGTON -- United States officials were surprised and heartened >>today at the size of turnout in... election despite >>a ... terrorist campaign to disrupt the voting. >> >>According to reports from ..., 83 per cent of the 5.85 million registered >>voters cast their ballots yesterday. Many of them risked reprisals >>threatened by the .... >> >>The size of the popular vote and the inability of the ... to destroy the >>election machinery were the two salient facts in a preliminary assessment of >>the nation election based on the incomplete returns reaching here. ... > > > Sound familiar? It's not from today's paper. It's from the Times for 4 > Sept 1967. The ellipses should be filled in with "South Vietnam" or > "Vietcong," as appropriate. > > For the rest of the article and commentary: > > ,http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/31/2335/87390> From no at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 03:49:34 2005 From: no at devnull.spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Tue Feb 1 14:00:26 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Whizzing your way to freedom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tim McGraw wrote: > Finally, some news that affects real people! > > Man Pees Way Out of Avalanche > January 30th, 2005 > > A Slovak man trapped in his car under an avalanche freed himself by > drinking 60 bottles of beer and urinating on the snow to melt it. > > Rescue teams found Richard Kral drunk and staggering along a mountain > path four days after his Audi car was buried in the Slovak Tatra mountains. > > http://www.outdoornewswire.com/v/current/htdocs/etc/sa.php/63617465676f72794e616d653d536b69696e672663617465676f72794c6162656c3d536b69696e67266c6f636174696f6e3d323030352f30312f313130373134303437362672737349643d323936 > > > or > > http://tinyurl.com/6f7av > From no at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 03:54:05 2005 From: no at devnull.spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Tue Feb 1 14:00:32 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Whizzing your way to freedom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Miss Betsy wrote: > "Tim McGraw" wrote in message > news:ctltmp$s5j$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>Finally, some news that affects real people! >> >>Man Pees Way Out of Avalanche >>January 30th, 2005 >> >>A Slovak man trapped in his car under an avalanche freed himself > > by > >>drinking 60 bottles of beer and urinating on the snow to melt it. >> >>Rescue teams found Richard Kral drunk and staggering along a > > mountain > >>path four days after his Audi car was buried in the Slovak Tatra > > mountains. > > He must have been on his way to a party! Now if you travel in > avalanche country, a couple of cases of beer can not only give some > weight for traction but be part of your cold weather emergency kit! > Then in the spring, you can have the party! > > Miss Betsy > > From no at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 03:22:52 2005 From: no at devnull.spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Tue Feb 1 14:00:37 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Isn't this nice - incompetence is infectious! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1022625,00.html > > Less than than two months after former Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) > administrator L. Paul Bremer received the Presidential Medal of Freedom, a scathing > audit by a longtime confidante of George W. Bush is bashing Bremer's agency for > failing to establish "adequate financial controls," leaving some fiscal reporting > systems "either weak or non-existent." The audit charges that the CPA left large > portions of the $8.8 billion Iraqi treasury "open to fraud, kickbacks, and > misappropriation of funds," according to a draft obtained by TIME. The report was > written by Stuart Bowen, a lawyer from Texas who became special inspector general for > Iraq reconstruction. His audit cites Bremer for lax accounting (on one payroll, for > instance, only 602 of the 8,206 names could be confirmed, with no paper trail for the > rest of the cash) and inadequate disclosure (the CPA allowed Iraqi officials to delay > reporting the $2.5 billion the interim government received in oil-for-food money last > spring). > > From no at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 03:13:21 2005 From: no at devnull.spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Tue Feb 1 14:00:42 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: this is crackers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/01/26/wexp26.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/01/26/ixnewstop.html > > http://tinyurl.com/5ckdj > > A bank robber has been allowed to claim the ?1,400 cost of the gun he used > as a legitimate business expense. > > From no at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 03:34:26 2005 From: no at devnull.spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Tue Feb 1 14:05:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tupac Resurrection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > DC wrote: > >> This has been playing on cable so I checked it out. 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Path: news.spamcop.net!not-for-mail From: Crawdad@bayou.con (Yomamma bin Crawdaddin) Newsgroups: spamcop.social Subject: Re: Good Old Patriot Act Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 23:37:24 +0000 (UTC) Organization: SpamCop Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: speedup.oxfordnetworks.net X-Trace: news.spamcop.net 1105227444 20508 63.164.60.12 (8 Jan 2005 23:37:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@news.spamcop.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 23:37:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Xref: news.spamcop.net spamcop.social:124118 From: Yomamma bin Crawdaddin Newsgroups: alt.hackers.malicious Subject: Re: Ping. > Vampi Fangs Organization: Cult of the Live Crustacean Message-ID: References: <1bomm0dvflujf9vrnsio1hjbeq1luagvh5@4ax.com> <6emnm0dd0jptl6r3pnenn0tetfd71freps@4ax.com> <8jbpm0to0v53ru78cg65qdpmrk7hhi050g@4ax.com> <41731218.83837687@news.west.earthlink.net> <565qm0h98ba38fp3ku1oomlgv9c12qdr1o@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.553 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 150 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 00:25:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.174.133.158 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net 1097713513 199.174.133.158 (Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:25:13 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:25:13 PDT Path: news5.aus1.giganews.com!firehose2!nntp4!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!b order1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!in.100proofnews.com!in.1 00proofnews.com!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!sta mper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!9711 a062!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3FA00803.1B76C53E@nowhere.com> From: GregR Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.consumers.free-stuff,alt.hackers.malicious,alt.consumers.experiences Subject: Re: paging: Todd Behrmann (aka "Just Plain Insane") References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:33:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.73.29.180 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net 1067452420 67.73.29.180 (Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:33:40 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:33:40 PST Xref: intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com alt.consumers.free-stuff:292387 alt.hackers.malicious:624613 alt.consumers.experiences:86540 Message-ID: <3FB821FB.DBE94...@nowhere.com> From: GregR Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.consumers.free-stuff,alt.fan.power-rangers,alt.hackers.malicious Subject: Re: The TRUE ACFS-Taliban traitor References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 01:18:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.73.37.56 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net 1069031933 67.73.37.56 (Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:18:53 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:18:53 PST Message-ID: <3FB821FB.DBE94...@nowhere.com> From: GregR Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.consumers.free-stuff,alt.fan.power-rangers,alt.hackers.malicious Subject: Re: The TRUE ACFS-Taliban traitor References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 01:18:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.73.37.56 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net 1069031933 67.73.37.56 (Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:18:53 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:18:53 PST From kenbrody at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 10:13:58 2005 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Tue Feb 1 17:00:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Unintended Consequences References: Message-ID: <41FF9CB6.3144AFE8@spamcop.net> JerryMouse wrote: > > Germany legalized brothels in 2002 under the theory that doing so would not > only respond to all the standard arguments (cut back on disease, etc.), but > solve some other problems. These newer problems revolved around the > white-slave trade and Russian mafia crime connections. [...] > Women who become unemployed are being referred to these brothels. If these > women refuse the work, they lose their unemployment benefits. > > Oh well... > > Story at: > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/01/30/wgerm30.xml Snopes currently lists this as "undetermined": http://www.snopes.com/media/notnews/brothel.asp Their current theory is that it goes back to an article in "Tageszeitung", which discusses the _hypothetical_ possibility of such a thing happening. [...] We suspect this is another case where, like a game of "telephone," a story has been garbled as it has passed from one news source to the next, and somewhere in the rewriting and translating process what was originally discussed as a mere hypothetical possibility has now been reported as a factual occurrence. -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From kenbrody at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 17:04:35 2005 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Tue Feb 1 17:10:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Those who do not learn from history... References: Message-ID: <41FFFCF3.93D2316E@spamcop.net> "D.F. Manno" wrote: > > > U.S. Encouraged by ... Vote : > > Officials Cite 83% Turnout Despite ... Terror > > > > by Peter Grose, Special to the New York Times > > > > WASHINGTON -- United States officials were surprised and heartened > > today at the size of turnout in... election despite > > a ... terrorist campaign to disrupt the voting. [...] > Sound familiar? It's not from today's paper. It's from the Times for 4 > Sept 1967. The ellipses should be filled in with "South Vietnam" or > "Vietcong," as appropriate. > > For the rest of the article and commentary: > > ,http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/31/2335/87390> FYI. This gets a "true" from Snopes: http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/vietnam.asp (Along with the rest of the original article from 4-Sept-1967 in the New York Times.) -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 17:50:08 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Tue Feb 1 17:50:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids References: Message-ID: > My wife was an ESL teacher in Dallas for Japanese women. At a dinner party > we held for several friends where the only common language was Japanese > (long story) my wife being new to the Japanese language went plaintively to > each guest and 'begged' for vs. offering a cup of coffee. Everyone smile > and accepted or declined based on their preference and never let on to her > mistake. > > At around 2 AM the next morning my wife woke me (speaking Japanese) and > asked me the same question. My response why the h*ll do you want me to fix > you coffee at this time of the morning? > > In any case she would often tell the story on herself as an ice breaker for > her class and as a clear indication that the only way to learn was to use > the language despite the possibility of embarrassment. I am glad to hear that! Because someone once told me that the Japanese are offended if you don't use proper Japanese. Japanese is tonal, isn't it? Reminds me of my daughter's story of trying to ask for a cup of coffee in Navajo - she asked the male cafeteria worker 'to make a baby' I would never be able to either speak or understand tonal languages since I am tone deaf! Miss Betsy From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 17:56:22 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Tue Feb 1 17:55:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:ctoa8q$ltk$1@news.spamcop.net... > Regardless the probability of language lessons increasing the lady's income > is extremely low. Not having the benefit of the full facts in the case my > take is the judge is giving the lady a mandate without the tools to do the > job. (Sound anything like our federal government and unfunded mandates?) While all that you say is true (the fact that JW's contractors were commuting hundreds of miles to find jobs is supportive), it is not an argument against encouraging immigrants to speak the language. Unfortunately, the US as a 'Land of Opportunity' is being exported and we probably won't have problems with lots of immigrants coming to the US to find jobs (even low paying ones) much longer. Miss Betsy From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 18:10:20 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Tue Feb 1 18:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-CAA86F.12051301022005@frylock.local... > In article , > "Frog Prince" wrote: > > > working actively to address those things you > > cannot control such as broadcast media. > > What's that saying? Give me the strength to change the things I can > and the serenity to accept the things I cannot? I did my best to control what my young children were exposed to on TV, but after a certain age, you can't control what they see when they are away from you. My approach was to watch the shows and comment on what I thought was inappropriate. Since we are Catholic, a couple of years we gave up TV for Lent except that each person could choose a show each day. That made real critics! Since I liked a couple of shows that were definitely in the 'Twinkies' class if you compare diet with brain food, I made the point that moderation was a good thing. Just as you get fat eating nothing but Twinkies, so does your brain get sluggish if you watch nothing but stupid shows. Being teenagers, they didn't want to be out of the mode and watched even the shows I particularly condemned so that they could talk with their friends, but they did become much more discriminating and aware of how programs can influence one's thinking. They are all today thoughtful adults. (though they are three very different individuals so I know that the same thing does not work for every child and I definitely would not want to try it again, that's my $.02) Miss Betsy From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 18:18:53 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Tue Feb 1 18:20:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-BE1F59.12080001022005@frylock.local... > In article , > "Frog Prince" wrote: > > > 'Watch out, that will go straight to your A**' This from a > > daytime TV spot. > > While this may not have been appropriate, how is it harmful? I assume > you did discuss with her that there are some things that you shouldn't > say because sometimes it makes people not like you as much. And what are going to think about that when they see the people on TV being liked by everyone even though they say inappropriate things? In my house, we didn't use a** because it was a word used by those who didn't know a better word or wanted to be shocking. If other people wanted to use it, that was their business, but a** was vulgar by my (parental) standards and not allowed in this home. When they were grown up, they could make their own choices. Fortunately, for me, many of the other parents also held by the same standards. Although living in different parts of the country did make a problem once. 'Butt' was considered 'vulgar' in one area, but when we moved to another area, it was an accepted term. My children were shocked when a mother told them to 'move their butt'! Then I had to explain about custom and how words in and of themselves are not 'bad' but how people use them are. Miss Betsy From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 18:25:25 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Tue Feb 1 18:25:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-878E27.11342401022005@frylock.local... > This is called misleading vividness: > > It is a logical fallacy. Things like this are not likely, but > possible. If you rule thins out because of exceptional conditions, then > you wouldn't let your kids ride in the car with you, lest they see a > bumper sticker with profanity on it. I think it would hurt less to show tampon applications than graphic displays of violence or casual sex, IMHO. There is a difference, I believe. Driving in a car and seeing the 'f' word scrawled on a wall is different than deliberately allowing those words to come into one's home via TV, radio, or internet. Children need to know that there is another world out there that doesn't conform to parental standards, but that doesn't mean that parents should tolerate what they don't approve of. Miss Betsy From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 18:16:52 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Feb 1 18:25:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids References: Message-ID: "Miss Betsy" | | I am glad to hear that! Because someone once told me that the | Japanese are offended if you don't use proper Japanese. Japanese | is tonal, isn't it? Reminds me of my daughter's story of trying to | ask for a cup of coffee in Navajo - she asked the male cafeteria | worker 'to make a baby' | | I would never be able to either speak or understand tonal languages | since I am tone deaf! | Miss Betsy Chinese if tonal (I'm dead in that language despite a strong effort). To my experience the Japanese are very please that one would make the effort. The only draw back we encountered was that they did not want to chance embarrassing us so they would not make corrections in usage or pronunciation. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 18:21:47 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Feb 1 18:25:20 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids References: Message-ID: "Miss Betsy" | > Regardless the probability of language lessons increasing the | lady's income is extremely low. Not having the benefit of the full facts in | the case my take is the judge is giving the lady a mandate without the tools | to do the job. (Sound anything like our federal government and unfunded | mandates?) | | While all that you say is true (the fact that JW's contractors were | commuting hundreds of miles to find jobs is supportive), it is not | an argument against encouraging immigrants to speak the language. | Unfortunately, the US as a 'Land of Opportunity' is being exported | and we probably won't have problems with lots of immigrants coming | to the US to find jobs (even low paying ones) much longer. My experience with the general process is that leaning the language would be unlikely to make much difference in the lady's economic status. Second (again not having all the facts) it is unlikely that the judge gave the women the tools to do what he requires which is unfortunately a common complaint about our judicial system. Somewhat akin to sending a man, who is out of work, to jail for not paying a traffic ticket or child support. (I've seen both) From bert at visi.com Wed Feb 2 00:05:03 2005 From: bert at visi.com (Bert Hyman) Date: Tue Feb 1 19:10:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What's with the multiple posts with no comments? References: Message-ID: In news:pete+usenet-8EE04B.01174201022005@news.cesmail.net Pete Stephenson wrote: > In article , > "Porpoise" wrote: > >> Is it just me? Seems like first it was Heidi, now it's Spamvireslayer >> posting multiple replies without actually adding any comments to the >> tread........ > > It would appear to be some sort of troll/flood attack. > > It's rather annoying, that's for sure. However, collecting the NNTP-Posting-Host headers from them all gives a nice list of open proxies that should be added to the "bad_hosts" list of any news server that's using CleanFeed; I've added them to my small system at work. -- Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@visi.com From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 19:35:11 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Tue Feb 1 19:35:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:ctp2v0$7d8$2@news.spamcop.net... > My experience with the general process is that leaning the language would be > unlikely to make much difference in the lady's economic status. Second > (again not having all the facts) it is unlikely that the judge gave the > women the tools to do what he requires which is unfortunately a common > complaint about our judicial system. Somewhat akin to sending a man, who is > out of work, to jail for not paying a traffic ticket or child support. (I've > seen both) Not far removed from debtor's prison, are we? Miss Betsy From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Feb 2 00:35:33 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Tue Feb 1 19:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids References: Message-ID: "Miss Betsy" wrote in message news:ctp0sg$60f$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I am glad to hear that! Because someone once told me that the > Japanese are offended if you don't use proper Japanese. Japanese > is tonal, isn't it? No. It isn't. Chinese is, Thai is, Laotion is, Kmer is but Japanese isn't > Reminds me of my daughter's story of trying to > ask for a cup of coffee in Navajo - she asked the male cafeteria > worker 'to make a baby' or (Thai) 'dog shit' instead of 'ride a horse'. > > I would never be able to either speak or understand tonal languages > since I am tone deaf! > Miss Betsy I wonder how tone deaf Chinese manage? From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 19:40:50 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Feb 1 19:50:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids References: Message-ID: "Miss Betsy" | > My experience with the general process is that leaning the | language would be unlikely to make much difference in the lady's economic status. | Second (again not having all the facts) it is unlikely that the judge | gave the women the tools to do what he requires which is unfortunately a | common complaint about our judicial system. Somewhat akin to sending a | man, who is out of work, to jail for not paying a traffic ticket or child | support. (I've seen both) | | Not far removed from debtor's prison, are we? Always remember our legal system is about the law not about justice. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 19:46:40 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Feb 1 19:50:28 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" < | > I would never be able to either speak or understand tonal languages | > since I am tone deaf! | > Miss Betsy | | I wonder how tone deaf Chinese manage? Kanji Sign language? OT story (true) a good friend of mine who is stone deaf from birth went to a restaurant in DC. She reads lips but the waiter had heavy facial hair and she could not understand what he was saying. She told him she was deaf and the clown brings her, in all seriousness, a brail menu. In another case I was with a group of deaf friends at one of the local watering holes. I'm the only one in the entire place who can hear and the management knows it. So just before the diner hour the management dims the lights. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 19:57:15 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Feb 1 20:30:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Ping JohnL new scam References: <36alndF4u7lloU1@individual.net> Message-ID: WARNING This new scam is being pulled mainly on older men. What happens is that when you stop for a red light, a young nude woman comes up and pretends to be washing your windshield. While she is doing this, another person opens your back door and steals anything in the car. They are very good at this. They got me 7 times Friday and 5 times Saturday. I wasn't able to find them on Sunday. FP From johnl at spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 01:45:48 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Tue Feb 1 20:50:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ping JohnL new scam References: <36alndF4u7lloU1@individual.net> Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in news:ctpa9i$brq$1 @news.spamcop.net: > WARNING > > This new scam is being pulled mainly on older men. > > What happens is that when you stop for a red light, a young > nude woman comes up and pretends to be washing your > windshield. > > While she is doing this, another person opens your back > door and steals anything in the car. > > They are very good at this. > > They got me 7 times Friday and 5 times Saturday. I wasn't > able to find them on Sunday. > > FP > > > DANG!!! There's only TWO traffic lights here in town!!! Will they do Stop Signs also? I hope so! :):) Got one just down the street. From metoo at privacy.net Tue Feb 1 18:09:44 2005 From: metoo at privacy.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue Feb 1 21:10:16 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A query..... References: Message-ID: "Ewe" wrote in message news:ctopaf$19q$1@news.spamcop.net... > alt.hackers.malicious is popular with one of the locals, think there's a connection? hmmm, that's a mighty big coincidence From no at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 15:37:17 2005 From: no at devnull.spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Wed Feb 2 05:05:29 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A query..... References: Message-ID: "Heid1" using the lame sock puppet "Ewe" wrote: > alt.hackers.malicious is popular with one of the locals, think there's a connection? > > Path: news.spamcop.net!not-for-mail > From: Crawdad@bayou.con (Yomamma bin Crawdaddin) > Newsgroups: spamcop.social > Subject: Re: Good Old Patriot Act > Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 23:37:24 +0000 (UTC) > Organization: SpamCop > Lines: 18 > Message-ID: > References: > > > NNTP-Posting-Host: speedup.oxfordnetworks.net > X-Trace: news.spamcop.net 1105227444 20508 63.164.60.12 (8 Jan 2005 23:37:24 GMT) > X-Complaints-To: news@news.spamcop.net > NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 23:37:24 +0000 (UTC) > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 > Xref: news.spamcop.net spamcop.social:124118 > > From: Yomamma bin Crawdaddin > Newsgroups: alt.hackers.malicious > Subject: Re: Ping. > Vampi Fangs > Organization: Cult of the Live Crustacean > Message-ID: > References: <1bomm0dvflujf9vrnsio1hjbeq1luagvh5@4ax.com> > > > <6emnm0dd0jptl6r3pnenn0tetfd71freps@4ax.com> > > > > <8jbpm0to0v53ru78cg65qdpmrk7hhi050g@4ax.com> > <41731218.83837687@news.west.earthlink.net> > <565qm0h98ba38fp3ku1oomlgv9c12qdr1o@4ax.com> > X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.553 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Lines: 150 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 00:25:13 GMT > NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.174.133.158 > X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net > X-Trace: newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net 1097713513 199.174.133.158 (Wed, 13 Oct > 2004 17:25:13 PDT) > NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:25:13 PDT > > Path: > news5.aus1.giganews.com!firehose2!nntp4!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!b > order1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!in.100proofnews.com!in.1 > 00proofnews.com!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!sta > mper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!9711 > a062!not-for-mail > Message-ID: <3FA00803.1B76C53E@nowhere.com> > From: GregR > Organization: > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) > X-Accept-Language: en > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Newsgroups: > alt.consumers.free-stuff,alt.hackers.malicious,alt.consumers.experiences > Subject: Re: paging: Todd Behrmann (aka "Just Plain Insane") > References: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Lines: 22 > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:33:40 GMT > NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.73.29.180 > X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net > X-Trace: newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net 1067452420 67.73.29.180 (Wed, > 29 Oct 2003 10:33:40 PST) > NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:33:40 PST > Xref: intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com alt.consumers.free-stuff:292387 > alt.hackers.malicious:624613 alt.consumers.experiences:86540 > > Message-ID: <3FB821FB.DBE94...@nowhere.com> > From: GregR > Organization: > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) > X-Accept-Language: en > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Newsgroups: alt.consumers.free-stuff,alt.fan.power-rangers,alt.hackers.malicious > Subject: Re: The TRUE ACFS-Taliban traitor > References: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Lines: 20 > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 01:18:53 GMT > NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.73.37.56 > X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net > X-Trace: newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net 1069031933 67.73.37.56 (Sun, 16 Nov 2003 > 17:18:53 PST) > NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:18:53 PST > > Message-ID: <3FB821FB.DBE94...@nowhere.com> > From: GregR > Organization: > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) > X-Accept-Language: en > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Newsgroups: alt.consumers.free-stuff,alt.fan.power-rangers,alt.hackers.malicious > Subject: Re: The TRUE ACFS-Taliban traitor > References: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Lines: 20 > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 01:18:53 GMT > NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.73.37.56 > X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net > X-Trace: newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net 1069031933 67.73.37.56 (Sun, 16 Nov 2003 > 17:18:53 PST) > NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:18:53 PST > > From no at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 21:11:44 2005 From: no at devnull.spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Wed Feb 2 05:15:34 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A query..... References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote: > "Ewe" wrote in message > news:ctopaf$19q$1@news.spamcop.net... >> alt.hackers.malicious is popular with one of the locals, think there's a >> connection? > > hmmm, that's a mighty big coincidence From no at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 19:58:11 2005 From: no at devnull.spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Wed Feb 2 05:20:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ping JohnL new scam References: <36alndF4u7lloU1@individual.net> Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote: Frog Prince wrote: > WARNING > > This new scam is being pulled mainly on older men. > > What happens is that when you stop for a red light, a young > nude woman comes up and pretends to be washing your > windshield. > > While she is doing this, another person opens your back > door and steals anything in the car. > > They are very good at this. > > They got me 7 times Friday and 5 times Saturday. I wasn't > able to find them on Sunday. > > FP From no at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 20:46:29 2005 From: no at devnull.spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Wed Feb 2 05:25:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ping JohnL new scam References: <36alndF4u7lloU1@individual.net> Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > "Frog Prince" wrote in news:ctpa9i$brq$1 > @news.spamcop.net: > > >>WARNING >> >>This new scam is being pulled mainly on older men. >> >>What happens is that when you stop for a red light, a young >>nude woman comes up and pretends to be washing your >>windshield. >> >>While she is doing this, another person opens your back >>door and steals anything in the car. >> >>They are very good at this. >> >>They got me 7 times Friday and 5 times Saturday. I wasn't >>able to find them on Sunday. >> >>FP >> >> >> > > > DANG!!! > > There's only TWO traffic lights here in town!!! > > Will they do Stop Signs also? I hope so! :):) > Got one just down the street. From no at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 17:05:35 2005 From: no at devnull.spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Wed Feb 2 05:35:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Those who do not learn from history... References: <41FFFCF3.93D2316E@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Kenneth Brody wrote: Kenneth Brody wrote: > "D.F. Manno" wrote: > >>>U.S. Encouraged by ... Vote : >>>Officials Cite 83% Turnout Despite ... Terror >>> >>>by Peter Grose, Special to the New York Times >>> >>>WASHINGTON -- United States officials were surprised and heartened >>>today at the size of turnout in... election despite >>>a ... terrorist campaign to disrupt the voting. > > [...] > >>Sound familiar? It's not from today's paper. It's from the Times for 4 >>Sept 1967. The ellipses should be filled in with "South Vietnam" or >>"Vietcong," as appropriate. >> >>For the rest of the article and commentary: >> >>,http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/31/2335/87390> > > > FYI. This gets a "true" from Snopes: > > http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/vietnam.asp > > (Along with the rest of the original article from 4-Sept-1967 in the > New York Times.) > From no at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 19:06:03 2005 From: no at devnull.spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Wed Feb 2 05:35:16 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What's with the multiple posts with no comments? References: Message-ID: Bert Hyman wrote: Bert Hyman wrote: > In news:pete+usenet-8EE04B.01174201022005@news.cesmail.net Pete Stephenson > wrote: > > >>In article , >> "Porpoise" wrote: >> >> >>>Is it just me? Seems like first it was Heidi, now it's Spamvireslayer >>>posting multiple replies without actually adding any comments to the >>>tread........ >> >>It would appear to be some sort of troll/flood attack. >> >>It's rather annoying, that's for sure. > > > However, collecting the NNTP-Posting-Host headers from them all gives a > nice list of open proxies that should be added to the "bad_hosts" list of > any news server that's using CleanFeed; I've added them to my small system > at work. > From no at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 19:30:46 2005 From: no at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidi/Heid1/Spamvireslayer/Ewe/...) Date: Wed Feb 2 05:45:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "Miss Betsy" wrote: > > >>Children need to know that there is another world out there that >>doesn't conform to parental standards, but that doesn't mean that >>parents should tolerate what they don't approve of. > > > I agree with the above, where I disagree is that the TV/Radio should > be viewed as that outside world. > From no at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 19:36:33 2005 From: no at devnull.spamcop.net (Heidi/Heid1/Spamvireslayer/Ewe/...) Date: Wed Feb 2 05:50:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" wrote: > "Miss Betsy" wrote in message > news:ctp0sg$60f$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>I am glad to hear that! Because someone once told me that the >>Japanese are offended if you don't use proper Japanese. Japanese >>is tonal, isn't it? > > > No. It isn't. Chinese is, Thai is, Laotion is, Kmer is but Japanese isn't > > >>Reminds me of my daughter's story of trying to >>ask for a cup of coffee in Navajo - she asked the male cafeteria >>worker 'to make a baby' > > > or (Thai) 'dog shit' instead of 'ride a horse'. > > >>I would never be able to either speak or understand tonal languages >>since I am tone deaf! >>Miss Betsy > > > I wonder how tone deaf Chinese manage? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 05:59:46 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Wed Feb 2 06:00:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-7195F3.19304601022005@frylock.siliconman.loc... > In article , > "Miss Betsy" wrote: > > > Children need to know that there is another world out there that > > doesn't conform to parental standards, but that doesn't mean that > > parents should tolerate what they don't approve of. > > I agree with the above, where I disagree is that the TV/Radio should > be viewed as that outside world. If you have a TV/radio in the house, a child can view it without your knowledge. I woke up one time to find my four year old watching a Sunday morning show about abortion. I didn't find out about the soft porn on HBO until after we had it for a while. The problem is that although I don't watch hardly any TV - Monk is the only new show that I have watched and I no longer recognized the names of TV stars, turning it off has not changed it (the way the free market is supposed to work). There was one group for decent tv (a few years ago, supported IIRC by Steve Allen?) that acted as a voice for those who turned off the tv and let the advertisers know that they would not buy products that were advertised on certain shows. And I don't see anything wrong with that. It kind of galls me that part of the price I pay for some products is the price of advertising on tv. So much of what is shown, I believe, is harmful to people (for instance, I think I read a study some years back that showed that those who watched more tv were more fearful than those who did not and fear is a stressor that affects one's health). It is similar to the attitude toward cigarettes when I was growing up, IMHO. At that time, one knew that if one wanted to be an athlete, it was not a good idea to smoke, but for ordinary people, it was not a great health hazard and those who objected to smoke filled rooms were just being controlling and inconsiderate of smokers' rights. It is probably going to be like the greenhouse effect - by the time that people are convinced that some restraint is necessary, it will be too late to reverse the effect. Miss Betsy From heidi.has.no.life.except at spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 19:59:47 2005 From: heidi.has.no.life.except at spamcop.net (D€ja vu) Date: Wed Feb 2 06:00:19 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] In case anyone's wondering... Message-ID: Heidi == Spamvireslayer == Ewe == ???. Bwahahahahahahaha! Too funny! Wonder how many other lame sockpuppets the Hog-Bitch is using? Guess we'll find out, won't we? LOL! -- D€ja vu From no at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 05:22:15 2005 From: no at devnull.spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Wed Feb 2 06:05:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. References: Message-ID: "Bob W." wrote: Bob W. wrote: > In article , > David Dean wrote: > > >>In article , >> "Bob W." wrote: >> >> >>>then again, once kids hear things, they're curious, and they want to >>>know what those things mean. They're likely to find out sooner than >>>their psychological and emotional tools can handle well. >> >> Curiosity is a good thing, you have to manage risk. If they're not >>ready for something, don't go into detail. > > > tell that to the shock jocks, not me. > > >>>You can expose your kid to crap if you want to, but I'd prefer to allow >>>my child to have a childhood, and grow up to be a healthy adult. >> >> I can shield my child from crap without restricting free speech. I >>don't think that a child who isn't allowed to explore the world will >>grow up to be a healthy adult. > > > Wow... > > Well, anything I say in response to that remark will be considered a > flame, so I'll just leave you to your own concept of child development. > From no at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 05:24:29 2005 From: no at devnull.spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Wed Feb 2 06:05:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. References: Message-ID: "Bob W." wrote: > In article , > David Dean wrote: > > >>In article , >> "Bob W." wrote: >> >> >>>>>With the advent of cable TV and satellite radio, there are venues for >>>>>pimps to talk any way they want, and to fulfill their version of the >>>>>First Amendment. >>>> >>>> Sounds to me like you are in favor of "free speech zones" like >>>>President Bush set up while on the campaign trail. >>> >>>And about that, you would be 100% wrong. >> >> But it is the same thing. You can dissent all you want, as long as >>you do it over here------------------------------------------>. > > > Forget it, David. > > *shakes head* From no at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 19:36:22 2005 From: no at devnull.spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Wed Feb 2 06:10:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "Miss Betsy" wrote: > > >>And what are going to think about that when they see the people on >>TV being liked by everyone even though they say inappropriate >>things? > > > That was just one part of a possible explanation. I would also tell > my daughter that there are places and times that some people will use > them and not be subject to disdain or ridicule. Explaining that there is > context to consider is important also. I would also explain that I have > expectations of her, and those expectations include her not to use > language like that. She will make her own decisions, but she will be > subject to the consequences. From no at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Feb 1 19:45:32 2005 From: no at devnull.spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Wed Feb 2 06:10:17 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "Miss Betsy" wrote: > > >>Being teenagers, they didn't want to be out of the mode and watched >>even the shows I particularly condemned so that they could talk >>with their friends, but they did become much more discriminating >>and aware of how programs can influence one's thinking. They are >>all today thoughtful adults. (though they are three very different >>individuals so I know that the same thing does not work for every >>child and I definitely would not want to try it again, that's my >>$.02) > > > It is a hard job, but everything you say you've done falls in line > with how I feel, except that I don't expect outsiders to alter their > behavior (mostly because so many people don't respect others) to suit me > unless they are guests in my home. I don't consider the TV/radio to be > guests because it is a one-way medium. And like I have to watch my > daughter when we go out in the city streets, I have to watch her when > she is watching TV. > From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 06:25:02 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Wed Feb 2 06:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. References: Message-ID: > What you're talking about is what we're already seeing in the American > media... Which is what we're also seeing in American politics -- > polarization. > > Allow all of the pimps to do whatever they like, and you'll end up with > alternatives that are more like backlash. > > Moderation is an endangered species. That was exactly my argument in the discussion about prayer in schools/public events. It is also true of the abortion issue - moderates would have no trouble banning abortion to choose the sex of the child nor allowing personal choice in many cases where moral issues are involved. OTOH, forcing people to be politically correct on racial issues still seems like a good idea and that was not the moderate viewpoint. For instance, toleration of the rap 'ho's and bitches' and some of the sentiments, IMHO, led directly to the idea that the people who wrote the song that started this thread had - that it was an acceptable song. In a way, our community is an extension of our 'home' and the kind of community we have is what we allow. Just as children don't always obey and will read and watch things we don't want them to, there may be people who will write things on walls and watch dirty movies, but they know and we know that it is not 'accepted' and that, doing so blatantly will bring consequences. Somewhere, in this thread, I saw 'free speech zones' - if you carry minority rights far enough, then there ought to be 'sin cities' where anything goes - including murder for revenge, gambling-smoking-drinking to excess, porn readily available. Outside those cities, however, the community who does not believe in those values should be protected from them. An extension of states rights to communities where the community sets the standards. (remember the difference in the two towns in 'It's a Wonderful Life'?) Miss Betsy From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 08:52:18 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ewe) Date: Wed Feb 2 08:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A query..... References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:ctpcp7$d7u$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Ewe" wrote in message > news:ctopaf$19q$1@news.spamcop.net... > > alt.hackers.malicious is popular with one of the locals, think there's a > connection? > > hmmm, that's a mighty big coincidence Or not.... From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 10:07:20 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Feb 2 10:10:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. References: Message-ID: "David Dean" | > | As long as there are alternatives, who cares? | > | | > Not that it counts for much, but me and mine for a few. | | Why do you care that there is an option distasteful to you, available | for other people? All TVs now require the V-Chip to let parents lock out | channels, and TV shows by rating. I'm not worried about me, I'm a big boy and can deal with the matter intelligently. What I'm most concerned about are my kids and their friends that are not old enough to deal with these issues. Did you see any of the Jurassic Park movies? If so, as an adult you were presumable prepared to deal intelligently with what you saw. I'm not recommending this but how many nights do you think you would be dealing with serious sleeping problems if your 4 y.o. managed to get to see even a part of that. So you will understand my grand daughter has watched as her aunt and grand mother produced the still art work for such productions as part of a documentary commission. The child had no problem with the sketches but did accidentally see some of the preproduction video animations. Took us weeks to get her calmed down. (Side benefit, if there is one, she lost interest in Barney). A child's perceptions are limited and often based on black/white. A family member flies to Dallas for chemo and dies while out of town. There is an aircraft accident at DFW with pictures on the tube. In a child's mind the two become one. For how long will they have serious problems when a loved one takes a flight. Or if its their turn to fly will they show up at the airport barfing in fear? (Been there, watched it happen, drove 1200 miles one way) While there are ways to deal with the outcome after the fact I prefer to be proactive and avoid the need. Stern can make all the excuses he wants about his discussion being the equilivant of similar topic discussions on Oprha (spl?). I've heard both and the handling and the target of his vs. Oprha were totally different. (For those who had not heard the discussion. Sterm was doing a how to on oral sex with strong encouragement (to adults and by example to any kids who might be in the prime time audience) to get with the program. Oprha OTOH was addressing the negative side of the activity especially with regard to under age kids who though that such activity was a) natural b) safe and c) not 'real' sex (recall the discussion of the definition of what is *is*) As to the technology: VS. Chips work on commercials? VS. Chips are set on all the TV's in the mall, airports, lunch counters and restaurants? Recall the Jurassic Park example. Quite some time ago there was a wall of demo TV's set up at Circuit City promoting TVs AND Jurassic Park DVD. By the same token there was a series of commercials by Calvin Kline (?) or some similar clothing company that included nude or semi nude photos of kids and young adults in various amours poses. Might fly in NY but not too well in other parts of the country. Art or commercial promotion? Regardless I can control what my kids see in the museums but not what a merchant post 10 foot high and 20 ft wide in the middle of the maul (sic). Is it important that my kids be educated about the Holocaust? You bet. Is it appropriate that they see the hard, harsh pictures at the DC Holocaust Museum? Again yes but only at the point where they are properly prepared, emotionally and intellectually to deal with those facts. When I first visited it took me several days to get over the experience and I was well into my fifties. There is a V Chip on radios as well? And the number one problem with V chips: did it occur to you that kids are smart enough to discover how to by pass a V Chip? Especially given their parents many not be qualified to set the clock on a VCR. A simple analogy would be smoking bans. In your world it would be up to the parent to see that their kids were not exposed (or sold tobacco products). Go back a few years. Smoking was permitted even encouraged in doctors' offices, grocery stores, play grounds, bath rooms, airlines, trains, etc. In order to prevent exposure to your child you would avoid those locations. Now the question other than your back yard ... where do you take your child? One of my foster grand kids has serious breathing problems. Even though there is a blanket smoking ban in the local mall folk congregate at the entrance to smoke. Our only option is to circle the mall until we find an entrance without people smoking. Under your scenario as applied to smoking we could not take the kid to the doctors much less to ride the carrousel. You are obviously a loving and caring parent which is good and commendable but you have only 4 years in 'grade' I've done it for 10X+ your stint and I still don't have it right. (likely never will). Might consider saving the various post on this and taking a look at them in 5, 10, 15 ... 5n years down the road. Now consider that there are all too many parents out there that are only kids themselves and have no roll model or mentors in how to be parents. I know more than a few that think three squares at McD's (7/365) is a balanced diet. Think how they will be at the 5 n year points if Stern and co have free range. From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 10:09:25 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Feb 2 10:15:15 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ping JohnL new scam References: <36alndF4u7lloU1@individual.net> Message-ID: "Bob W." < | > DANG!!! | > | > There's only TWO traffic lights here in town!!! | > | > Will they do Stop Signs also? I hope so! :):) | > Got one just down the street. | | When you catch up with them, be considerate, and let them steal some | sunblock for the woman. Considering the weather where John lives: Smirffs need sun block? From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 10:23:55 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Feb 2 10:25:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Quote of the day (C&C) References: <4200CC23.EE6E8E03@mindspring.com> Message-ID: >From else were on the net: "Today is Groundhog Day and the State of the Union Address. As Air America Radio pointed out, it is an ironic juxtaposition: one involves a meaningless ritual in which we look to a creature of little intelligence for prognostication and the other involves a groundhog." -- In the world at large, the United States cannot lead, if its leaders mislead. -- Jimmy Carter -- From r_buecheler at hotmail.com Wed Feb 2 10:11:02 2005 From: r_buecheler at hotmail.com (Robi) Date: Wed Feb 2 11:00:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Quote of the day (C&C) References: <4200CC23.EE6E8E03@mindspring.com> Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > From else were on the net: > > "Today is Groundhog Day and the State of the Union Address. > > As Air America Radio pointed out, it is an ironic juxtaposition: one > involves a meaningless ritual in which we look to a creature of little > intelligence for prognostication and the other involves a groundhog." what a funny choice of word: juxtaposition how close the resemblance: Punxsutawney -- Robi ;-) From johnl at spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 16:12:07 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Wed Feb 2 11:15:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ping JohnL new scam References: <36alndF4u7lloU1@individual.net> Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in news:ctqqhu$j4c$1 @news.spamcop.net: > > "Bob W." < >| When you catch up with them, be considerate, and let them steal some >| sunblock for the woman. > > Considering the weather where John lives: Smirffs need sun block? > > > I'll leave some warm mittens back there.;-) From no at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 05:34:02 2005 From: no at devnull.spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Wed Feb 2 13:05:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ping JohnL new scam References: <36alndF4u7lloU1@individual.net> Message-ID: "Bob W." wrote: > In article , > JohnL wrote: > > >>"Frog Prince" wrote in news:ctpa9i$brq$1 >>@news.spamcop.net: >> >> >>>WARNING >>> >>>This new scam is being pulled mainly on older men. >>> >>>What happens is that when you stop for a red light, a young >>>nude woman comes up and pretends to be washing your >>>windshield. >>> >>>While she is doing this, another person opens your back >>>door and steals anything in the car. >>> >>>They are very good at this. >>> >>>They got me 7 times Friday and 5 times Saturday. I wasn't >>>able to find them on Sunday. >>> >>>FP >>> >>> >>> >> >>DANG!!! >> >>There's only TWO traffic lights here in town!!! >> >>Will they do Stop Signs also? I hope so! :):) >>Got one just down the street. > > > When you catch up with them, be considerate, and let them steal some > sunblock for the woman. > From no at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 16:13:24 2005 From: no at devnull.spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Wed Feb 2 13:10:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ping JohnL new scam References: <36alndF4u7lloU1@individual.net> Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > "Frog Prince" wrote in news:ctqqhu$j4c$1 > @news.spamcop.net: > > >>"Bob W." < >>| When you catch up with them, be considerate, and let them steal some >>| sunblock for the woman. >> >>Considering the weather where John lives: Smirffs need sun block? >> >> >> > > > I'll leave some warm mittens back there.;-) > > From no at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 08:53:18 2005 From: no at devnull.spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Wed Feb 2 13:10:17 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A query..... References: Message-ID: "Heid1" using the lame sockpuppet "Ewe" wrote: > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > news:ctpcp7$d7u$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>"Ewe" wrote in message >>news:ctopaf$19q$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >>>alt.hackers.malicious is popular with one of the locals, think there's a >> >>connection? >> >>hmmm, that's a mighty big coincidence > > > Or not.... > > From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 13:33:05 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ewe) Date: Wed Feb 2 13:36:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Bankruptcy just an illness away, research shows Message-ID: Not very comforting news, is it? http://www.sptimes.com/2005/02/02/Business/Bankruptcy_just_an_il.shtml BOSTON - Costly illnesses trigger about half of personal bankruptcies, and health insurance offers no protection against ending up penniless, according to findings from a Harvard University study to be released Wednesday. Researchers from Harvard's law and medical schools said the findings underscore the inadequacy of many private insurance plans that offer worst-case catastrophic coverage, but little financial security for less severe illnesses. "Unless you're Bill Gates, you're just one serious illness away from bankruptcy," said Dr. David Himmelstein, the study's lead author and an associate professor of medicine. "Most of the medically bankrupt were average Americans who happened to get sick." From no at devnull.spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 18:37:05 2005 From: no at devnull.spamcop.net (Heid1) Date: Wed Feb 2 13:40:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Hello again! Message-ID: I'm kind of having a blah day. I got up, went to work, got all wet and cold from the rain, and came home. NOw I'm back in my pajamas and I don't want to do anything. My friend wants me to go to her house, but I don't really want to go because I have places to go tomorrow, and I just feel like lounging around the house in my pj's! It's that simple! I don't want to do anything...and it's making me fat, lol. byebye From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 13:34:05 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ewe) Date: Wed Feb 2 13:45:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bankruptcy just an illness away, research shows References: Message-ID: > Not very comforting news, is it? > > http://www.sptimes.com/2005/02/02/Business/Bankruptcy_just_an_il.shtml > > BOSTON - Costly illnesses trigger about half of personal bankruptcies, and health > insurance offers no protection against ending up penniless, according to findings > from a Harvard University study to be released Wednesday. > > Researchers from Harvard's law and medical schools said the findings underscore the > inadequacy of many private insurance plans that offer worst-case catastrophic > coverage, but little financial security for less severe illnesses. > > "Unless you're Bill Gates, you're just one serious illness away from bankruptcy," > said Dr. David Himmelstein, the study's lead author and an associate professor of > medicine. "Most of the medically bankrupt were average Americans who happened to get > sick." > > From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 13:34:25 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Ewe) Date: Wed Feb 2 13:55:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] New sockpuppet in newsgroup Message-ID: Hi everyone: It's me, Heidi, Heid1, Spamvireslayer, etc. etc. and I'm using a brand new sockpuppet named Ewe. See, it's really me: ---> NNTP-Posting-Host: c-141-106-147-24.ne.biz.attbb.net Now I'm really a st00pid fuck who thinks that nobody will figure out that I'm trolling the group under a new alias, but y'all are a lot smarter than that, aren't you? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 14:12:00 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sp@amvireslayer) Date: Wed Feb 2 14:15:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: New sockpuppet in newsgroup References: Message-ID: "Ewe" wrote in message news:ctr7gq$sj1$1@news.spamcop.net... > Hi everyone: > > It's me, Heidi, Heid1, Spamvireslayer, etc. etc. and I'm using a brand > new sockpuppet named Ewe. See, it's really me: > > ---> NNTP-Posting-Host: c-141-106-147-24.ne.biz.attbb.net DUH. From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 15:06:30 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Feb 2 15:10:14 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bankruptcy just an illness away, research shows References: Message-ID: "Ewe" wrote in message news:ctr6fg$rrs$1@news.spamcop.net... | Not very comforting news, is it? | | http://www.sptimes.com/2005/02/02/Business/Bankruptcy_just_an_il.shtml | | BOSTON - Costly illnesses trigger about half of personal bankruptcies, and health | insurance offers no protection against ending up penniless, according to findings | from a Harvard University study to be released Wednesday. | | Researchers from Harvard's law and medical schools said the findings underscore the | inadequacy of many private insurance plans that offer worst-case catastrophic | coverage, but little financial security for less severe illnesses. | | "Unless you're Bill Gates, you're just one serious illness away from bankruptcy," | said Dr. David Himmelstein, the study's lead author and an associate professor of | medicine. "Most of the medically bankrupt were average Americans who happened to get | sick." Been known, document and published buy Federal Bankruptcy court system years ago. What's more chilling is the insurance industry (medical and disability) knows the drill as well and has procedures in place to exploit the problem to minimize payout of benefits. On thing that has exacerbated the problem is the ERISA law. Long story short former Congressman Dick Armey (R-TX) had a hand in blocking the reform. Another Republican Phil Gramm (spl) also R-TX had a strong effort to reform the personal bankruptcy laws to favor the bank and credit card companies. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 15:47:58 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sp@mvireslayer) Date: Wed Feb 2 15:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bankruptcy just an illness away, research shows References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:ctrbsj$10p$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Been known, document and published buy Federal Bankruptcy court system years > ago. What's more chilling is the insurance industry (medical and > disability) knows the drill as well and has procedures in place to exploit > the problem to minimize payout of benefits. Their "procedures" involve being untouchable unless you are bankrolling a huge law firm. They make it as frustrating as possible when you try to contact them because they all read from the same script and no one can help you. The very *best* I've gotten from them (and not in a good way) was discovering that my HI company outsourced the 'customer service (coughcough)' to Jamaica. The US CS was useless enough, this is just useless with a very bad accent. > On thing that has exacerbated the problem is the ERISA law. Long story short > former Congressman Dick Armey (R-TX) had a hand in blocking the reform. > Another Republican Phil Gramm (spl) also R-TX had a strong effort to reform > the personal bankruptcy laws to favor the bank and credit card companies. Why, oh why (rhetorical question) does all this crap begin in Texas? Oh, that's right, Republicans getting their pockets lined. From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 16:16:17 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Feb 2 16:40:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Communications problems References: <1102c04q095l4e8@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: Hospital Stay A man is lying in bed in the hospital with an oxygen mask over his mouth. A young nurse appears to sponge his hands and feet. "Nurse," he mumbles from behind the mask, "Are my testicles black?" Embarrassed, the young nurse replies, "I don't know, I'm only here to wash your hands and feet." He struggles again to ask, "Nurse, Are my testicles black? " Finally, she pulls back the covers, raises his gown, holds his penis in one hand and his testicles in her other hand and takes a close look and say's, "There's nothing wrong with them." Finally, the man pulls off his oxygen mask and replies, "That was very nice but, are... my... test... results... back?" From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 16:42:41 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Feb 2 16:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bankruptcy just an illness away, research shows References: Message-ID: "Sp@mvireslayer" | > | > Been known, document and published buy Federal Bankruptcy court system years | > ago. What's more chilling is the insurance industry (medical and | > disability) knows the drill as well and has procedures in place to exploit | > the problem to minimize payout of benefits. | | Their "procedures" involve being untouchable unless you are bankrolling a huge law | firm. They make it as frustrating as possible when you try to contact them because | they all read from the same script and no one can help you. The very *best* I've | gotten from them (and not in a good way) was discovering that my HI company | outsourced the 'customer service (coughcough)' to Jamaica. The US CS was useless | enough, this is just useless with a very bad accent. | | > On thing that has exacerbated the problem is the ERISA law. Long story short | > former Congressman Dick Armey (R-TX) had a hand in blocking the reform. | > Another Republican Phil Gramm (spl) also R-TX had a strong effort to reform | > the personal bankruptcy laws to favor the bank and credit card companies. | | Why, oh why (rhetorical question) does all this crap begin in Texas? Oh, that's | right, Republicans getting their pockets lined. At the time the big boys with the power were all from Texas and yes there was signifiant pockets being lined with a few big bucks going to Towsan (spl) in Louisiana as well. From nospam at bisusa.com Wed Feb 2 17:41:51 2005 From: nospam at bisusa.com (JerryMouse) Date: Wed Feb 2 18:45:18 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bankruptcy just an illness away, research shows References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: >> >> Why, oh why (rhetorical question) does all this crap begin in Texas? >> Oh, that's right, Republicans getting their pockets lined. > > At the time the big boys with the power were all from Texas and yes > there was signifiant pockets being lined with a few big bucks going > to Towsan (spl) in Louisiana as well. Pretty much still that way: George Bush. Tom DeLay. The Democrats are similarily situated. The Senate Minorty Leader is from Nevada (where fantasy reigns) and the House Minority Leader is from California (even more fantastic). From hee.haw at jack.ass Wed Feb 2 21:39:25 2005 From: hee.haw at jack.ass (DC) Date: Wed Feb 2 21:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Screen Cleaner Message-ID: Thought this was funny... http://screenclean.j1media.com/lick.html Don't worry -- it's not X rated. -- It rubs the lotion on its skin... Or else it gets the hose again... www.dwacon.com From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 16:24:28 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sp@amvireslayer) Date: Wed Feb 2 22:45:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] ANOTHER new sockpuppet in newsgroup Message-ID: Hi everyone: It's me, Heidi, Heid1, Spamvireslayer, Ewe, etc. etc. and here I am using ANOTHER brand new sockpuppet named Sp@amvireslayer. See, it's really me (and I'm REALLY REALLY st00pid, too): ---> NNTP-Posting-Host: c-141-106-147-24.ne.biz.attbb.net Now I'm just a st00pid cunt who thinks that nobody will figure out that I'm trolling the group under a new alias, but y'all are a lot smarter than that, right? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 14:15:20 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sp@amvireslayer) Date: Wed Feb 2 22:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: New sockpuppet in newsgroup References: Message-ID: Heidi (AKA Heid1, Heidi, Heid1, Spamvireslayer, Ewe, Sp@amvireslayer), etc. etc. wrote: > DUH. DOH! From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 15:08:25 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sp@amvireslayer) Date: Wed Feb 2 23:00:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bankruptcy just an illness away, research shows References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote: > "Ewe" wrote in message > news:ctr6fg$rrs$1@news.spamcop.net... > | Not very comforting news, is it? > | > | http://www.sptimes.com/2005/02/02/Business/Bankruptcy_just_an_il.shtml > | > | BOSTON - Costly illnesses trigger about half of personal bankruptcies, and > health > | insurance offers no protection against ending up penniless, according to > findings > | from a Harvard University study to be released Wednesday. > | > | Researchers from Harvard's law and medical schools said the findings > underscore the > | inadequacy of many private insurance plans that offer worst-case > catastrophic > | coverage, but little financial security for less severe illnesses. > | > | "Unless you're Bill Gates, you're just one serious illness away from > bankruptcy," > | said Dr. David Himmelstein, the study's lead author and an associate > professor of > | medicine. "Most of the medically bankrupt were average Americans who > happened to get > | sick." > > Been known, document and published buy Federal Bankruptcy court system years > ago. What's more chilling is the insurance industry (medical and > disability) knows the drill as well and has procedures in place to exploit > the problem to minimize payout of benefits. > > On thing that has exacerbated the problem is the ERISA law. Long story short > former Congressman Dick Armey (R-TX) had a hand in blocking the reform. > Another Republican Phil Gramm (spl) also R-TX had a strong effort to reform > the personal bankruptcy laws to favor the bank and credit card companies. > > From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 16:46:41 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sp@amvireslayer) Date: Wed Feb 2 23:00:18 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bankruptcy just an illness away, research shows References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote: > "Sp@mvireslayer" > > | > > | > Been known, document and published buy Federal Bankruptcy court system > years > | > ago. What's more chilling is the insurance industry (medical and > | > disability) knows the drill as well and has procedures in place to > exploit > | > the problem to minimize payout of benefits. > | > | Their "procedures" involve being untouchable unless you are bankrolling a > huge law > | firm. They make it as frustrating as possible when you try to contact > them because > | they all read from the same script and no one can help you. The very > *best* I've > | gotten from them (and not in a good way) was discovering that my HI > company > | outsourced the 'customer service (coughcough)' to Jamaica. The US CS was > useless > | enough, this is just useless with a very bad accent. > | > | > On thing that has exacerbated the problem is the ERISA law. Long story > short > | > former Congressman Dick Armey (R-TX) had a hand in blocking the reform. > | > Another Republican Phil Gramm (spl) also R-TX had a strong effort to > reform > | > the personal bankruptcy laws to favor the bank and credit card > companies. > | > | Why, oh why (rhetorical question) does all this crap begin in Texas? Oh, > that's > | right, Republicans getting their pockets lined. > > At the time the big boys with the power were all from Texas and yes there > was signifiant pockets being lined with a few big bucks going to Towsan > (spl) in Louisiana as well. > > From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 20:08:16 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Don Wannit) Date: Wed Feb 2 23:10:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Miss Betsy" > > | > | I am glad to hear that! Because someone once told me that the > | Japanese are offended if you don't use proper Japanese. Japanese > | is tonal, isn't it? Reminds me of my daughter's story of trying to > | ask for a cup of coffee in Navajo - she asked the male cafeteria > | worker 'to make a baby' > | > | I would never be able to either speak or understand tonal languages > | since I am tone deaf! > | Miss Betsy > > Chinese if tonal (I'm dead in that language despite a strong effort). To my > experience the Japanese are very please that one would make the effort. The > only draw back we encountered was that they did not want to chance > embarrassing us so they would not make corrections in usage or > pronunciation. > > Also matches my experience living in Tokyo. It's very important in Japanese culture to avoid causing embarassment to others. Correcting another person's grammar is considered rude, and it's *really* hard for many Japanese to overcome that deeply instilled reluctance to be rude. Younger Japanese seem to be better able to overcome that reluctance :-) Even worse for the purposes of my improving Japanese skills, most people under 50 I met all wanted to practice their English with me. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 20:11:27 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Don Wannit) Date: Wed Feb 2 23:15:16 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Porpoise" < > > | > I would never be able to either speak or understand tonal languages > | > since I am tone deaf! > | > Miss Betsy > | > | I wonder how tone deaf Chinese manage? > > Kanji Sign language? Happens all the time on the street in Japan. So many homonyms (27+ different words all pronounced "go", but "spelled" differently -- they have different Kanji; causes most Westerners to run from the room screaming at some point). You'll see people drawing Kanji on their palms as they talk just to avoid ambiguity. From driehuis.fcnzpbc2005 at playbeing.com Thu Feb 3 05:13:58 2005 From: driehuis.fcnzpbc2005 at playbeing.com (Bert Driehuis) Date: Wed Feb 2 23:15:27 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Miss Betsy wrote: > And what are going to think about that when they see the people on > TV being liked by everyone even though they say inappropriate > things? > > In my house, we didn't use a** because it was a word used by those > who didn't know a better word or wanted to be shocking. If other > people wanted to use it, that was their business, but a** was > vulgar by my (parental) standards and not allowed in this home. [snip] Standards are good in education. So is understanding (or, as the modern euphemism goes, "celebrating") cultural diversity. Which leaves parents with precious little guidance :-) From driehuis.fcnzpbc2005 at playbeing.com Thu Feb 3 05:48:11 2005 From: driehuis.fcnzpbc2005 at playbeing.com (Bert Driehuis) Date: Wed Feb 2 23:50:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bill Cosby has a point.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bob W. wrote: > In article , > David Dean wrote: >> I can shield my child from crap without restricting free speech. I >>don't think that a child who isn't allowed to explore the world will >>grow up to be a healthy adult. > > > Wow... > > Well, anything I say in response to that remark will be considered a > flame, so I'll just leave you to your own concept of child development. Maybe this is one of the occasions where speaking your mind would not be construed as a flame. Let me speak mine. The kids I've seen go overboard were raised in traditional family values. Two years ago, I tripped over two drug addicts in the stairwell of my apartment bulding. They had pried open the door to get in and weren't impressed with my pleas to leave. They weren't impressed with me calling the police either ("they'll never come, you've got nothing on us"). When the cops were on their way, they split up and I had to be careful to stay within legal boundaries to corral one of them into the long arm of the law (this was not easy, given that I was seeing red at the obvious breach of my private space and their total disrespect for same). I later found out that the girl from this couple had been part of a loving family I knew well, that (up 'till the divorce) I thought was the perfect family. Soft spoken, church going, the works. The experience didn't damage my valuing traditional family values. I think they are an essential part in raising a kid. But I can assure you that losing touch with your kid can happen to the best of us. And by the same token, that trying to hide the in-crowd meaning of words like f***, s***, s*gar or anything like that will not deter your kid from trying to find out. There's so much truth in the old joke... A couple sit at breakfast with their kids, and mom mouths to pop, "darling, we left the C-*-N-D-*-M on the P-*-T-*-O", and the kid asks, "mom, what's a patio?" From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 18:43:51 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sp@amvireslayer) Date: Thu Feb 3 00:00:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Bankruptcy just an illness away, research shows References: Message-ID: "JerryMouse" wrote: > Frog Prince wrote: > >>>Why, oh why (rhetorical question) does all this crap begin in Texas? >>>Oh, that's right, Republicans getting their pockets lined. >> >>At the time the big boys with the power were all from Texas and yes >>there was signifiant pockets being lined with a few big bucks going >>to Towsan (spl) in Louisiana as well. > > > Pretty much still that way: George Bush. Tom DeLay. > > The Democrats are similarily situated. The Senate Minorty Leader is from > Nevada (where fantasy reigns) and the House Minority Leader is from > California (even more fantastic). > > From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 21:40:25 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sp@amvireslayer) Date: Thu Feb 3 00:00:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Screen Cleaner References: Message-ID: "DC" wrote: > Thought this was funny... > > http://screenclean.j1media.com/lick.html > > Don't worry -- it's not X rated. > From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 20:09:16 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sp@amvireslayer) Date: Thu Feb 3 00:05:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids References: Message-ID: Don Wannit wrote: > Frog Prince wrote: > >> "Miss Betsy" >> >> | >> | I am glad to hear that! Because someone once told me that the >> | Japanese are offended if you don't use proper Japanese. Japanese >> | is tonal, isn't it? Reminds me of my daughter's story of trying to >> | ask for a cup of coffee in Navajo - she asked the male cafeteria >> | worker 'to make a baby' >> | >> | I would never be able to either speak or understand tonal languages >> | since I am tone deaf! >> | Miss Betsy >> >> Chinese if tonal (I'm dead in that language despite a strong effort). >> To my >> experience the Japanese are very please that one would make the >> effort. The >> only draw back we encountered was that they did not want to chance >> embarrassing us so they would not make corrections in usage or >> pronunciation. >> >> > > > Also matches my experience living in Tokyo. It's very important in > Japanese culture to avoid causing embarassment to others. Correcting > another person's grammar is considered rude, and it's *really* hard for > many Japanese to overcome that deeply instilled reluctance to be > rude. Younger Japanese seem to be better able to overcome that > reluctance :-) > > Even worse for the purposes of my improving Japanese skills, most > people under 50 I met all wanted to practice their English with me. > From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 20:10:16 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sp@amvireslayer) Date: Thu Feb 3 00:05:25 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids References: Message-ID: Don Wannit wrote: > Frog Prince wrote: > >> "Miss Betsy" >> >> | >> | I am glad to hear that! Because someone once told me that the >> | Japanese are offended if you don't use proper Japanese. Japanese >> | is tonal, isn't it? Reminds me of my daughter's story of trying to >> | ask for a cup of coffee in Navajo - she asked the male cafeteria >> | worker 'to make a baby' >> | >> | I would never be able to either speak or understand tonal languages >> | since I am tone deaf! >> | Miss Betsy >> >> Chinese if tonal (I'm dead in that language despite a strong effort). >> To my >> experience the Japanese are very please that one would make the >> effort. The >> only draw back we encountered was that they did not want to chance >> embarrassing us so they would not make corrections in usage or >> pronunciation. >> >> > > > Also matches my experience living in Tokyo. It's very important in > Japanese culture to avoid causing embarassment to others. Correcting > another person's grammar is considered rude, and it's *really* hard for > many Japanese to overcome that deeply instilled reluctance to be > rude. Younger Japanese seem to be better able to overcome that > reluctance :-) > > Even worse for the purposes of my improving Japanese skills, most > people under 50 I met all wanted to practice their English with me. > From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Feb 2 20:11:27 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sp@amvireslayer) Date: Thu Feb 3 00:10:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tenn. judge to moms: Learn English or lose kids References: