From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jul 1 00:18:54 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Thu Jun 30 18:20:49 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Boycott the loon References: Message-ID: "Neil" wrote in message news:da1egl$4lo$1@news.spamcop.net... > >> >> Errrrmmmm......... Invading sovereign territories for oil??!!?? >> >> > > If that was really the case, then someone must be storing this oil up or > keeping it for themselves as OPEC still seem to be ruling the roost. > You really must read more.... ;-) http://www.veteransforpeace.org/Confusion_over_who_042003.htm http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/jan-june03/oil_4-24.html http://www.americanpolitics.com/20010219SubMariners2.html http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/may2005/2005-05-23-01.asp Just a few........ and not an OPEC in sight........... They may control the oil production in the middle east, but the American administration is determined it's gonna control it everywhere else - or else! From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jul 1 00:20:53 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Thu Jun 30 18:25:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Google's view of the earth References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-B6B68C.16234730062005@news.cesmail.net... > In article , > JohnL wrote: > >> Any one else see this? >> >> http://earth.google.com/ >> >> You have to download an .exe file, but it works great. >> I even found places up here. ;-) > > If they won't do Macs, fuck 'em. Yeah! An' if they won't do Wellies, fuck 'em too! From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 00:12:54 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Jun 30 23:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pretty cool capsize and recovery References: Message-ID: "Charles" | > In south Louisiana several years back there was a wash out (in) at a | > salt dome. A tow boat and 5 barges were sucked down into the hole. | > Boat and three barges came up a bit later. Never did see the other | > two barges. | | Whoa. Dude. http://members.tripod.com/~earthdude1/texaco/texaco.html Correction: Nine of the barges eventually popped back up like corks (the drilling rigs and tug were never to be seen again). No loss of life From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 00:15:11 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Jun 30 23:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "HeyBub" wrote in message news:da1ucu$dvd$1@news.spamcop.net... | "Since my name is Molly Ivins and I speak for myself, I'll tell you exactly | why I opposed invading Iraq: because I thought it would be bad for this | country, our country, my country. I opposed the invasion out of patriotism, | and that is the reason I continue to oppose it today -- I think it is bad | for us. I think it has done nothing but harm to the United States of | America. I think we have created more terrorists than we faced to start with | and that our good name has been sullied all over the world. I think we have | alienated our allies and have killed more Iraqis than Saddam Hussein ever | did." | | http://www.creators.com/opinion_show.cfm?columnsName=miv | | The last phrase "[we] have killed more Iraqis than Saddam Hussein ever did" | is so completely out of touch with all evidence, reality, and common sense | as to render irrelevant her impression of all other observations. So we can kill more just so long as we kill less than Saddam? So when is enough enough? From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 03:07:45 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Jul 1 02:15:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "HeyBub" | Our goal is to kill only as many as need killing. Not one more! Nor one less? From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jul 1 09:29:03 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Fri Jul 1 03:30:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "HeyBub" wrote in message news:da2epv$mos$1@news.spamcop.net... > Frog Prince wrote: > > The point is this: Saddam killed hundreds of thousands (perhaps as many as > a million). We've killed only those that needed killing plus some > (regrettable) collateral damage - some few thousands. Tops. And how do you know he didn't *only* kill those that *needed* killing???......... Did you cjeck all their names and addresses?? > > To assert, in print, that we've killed more Iraqis than Saddam is off the > chart. > > As to your question: We may end up killing more than Saddam - more or less > is not the test. Our goal is to kill only as many as need killing. Not one > more! Maybe that was his goal too......?? > > Of late we haven't been killing many Iraqis; the recent dead have been > from other places. > ??????? Mars?? From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jul 1 09:29:56 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Fri Jul 1 03:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:da2mvi$rjf$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "HeyBub" > > | Our goal is to kill only as many as need killing. Not one more! > > Nor one less? You also forgot to ask him to define "need killing" ............ From a-body at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 06:26:16 2005 From: a-body at devnull.spamcop.net (Lady Sarah) Date: Fri Jul 1 05:30:15 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: This is frightening... References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9683CD84FA42CTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Lady Sarah" ! > > Wow. Did you morph again? Dang. How could you possibly hope not to be > taken for a trouble maker when you act like a trouble maker? > -- > Mean presidents suck Hard to say. I had to recreate this NG, looked back at old saved posts and put that info in setup. Sorry to annoy you. How is the little guy? -- Lady Sarah From a-body at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 06:29:14 2005 From: a-body at devnull.spamcop.net (Lady Sarah) Date: Fri Jul 1 05:30:17 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: This is frightening... References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:d9s5f7$3vs$1@news.spamcop.net... > | Whatever! The fact that you find fault with what the president did when > he > | was governor of Texas still has nothing to do with the Supreme Court > | decision to expand eminent domain to private enterprise. > > It has everything to do with the process. Given the games played at the > state level by GWB and others what do you think the chances of > legislation > to reform the abuse? > > NC is fighting a budget deficit yet there are those that want the state to > fund a NASCAR museum to the tune of $100M. Part in cash, part in > condemnation of property. > So what does it have to do with the Supreme Court? GWB did not appoint any of the justices. And he certainly did not appoint the ones that voted to allow the land grab. Those are liberal justices. I know Ruth Ginsburg [or whatever her name is] was appointed by Clinton. -- Lady Sarah > From a-body at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 06:30:38 2005 From: a-body at devnull.spamcop.net (Lady Sarah) Date: Fri Jul 1 05:35:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: This is frightening... References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:d9s7j1$54j$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "indigo" wrote in message > news:d9s6vs$4ro$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> Gee, I didn't know that the Rangers were a publically owned baseball >> team...... > > Gee, I didn't know we were still feeding that vile piece of shit > troll...... > definition of troll, anyone that disagrees with Spamvireslayer. You corrupt the language. -- Lady Sarah From a-body at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 06:31:47 2005 From: a-body at devnull.spamcop.net (Lady Sarah) Date: Fri Jul 1 05:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: This is frightening... References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:d9svtf$j2o$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Regardless of the semantics the original owners were screwed for the > benefit > of a private company with lots of political connection. and yes I did not > like it them and I like it even less now. > So put conservative judges on the Supreme Court and the land grab will go away. [GWB is not conservative] -- Lady Sarah From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 09:08:58 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jul 1 08:10:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hey D-LO References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:d9sbep$78n$1@news.spamcop.net... > > That doesn't make sense -- your TV needs to be a dual-tuner TV to > use PIP. > > The cable box shouldn't have anything to do with it. > > that's not strictly true... your TV can do PIP by using one of the > other inputs for the 'in picture' image such as your VCR, thus > allowing you to watch the TV signal provided by the TV, and the one > provided by the VCR (or whatever) or a DVD or tape etc. We had a TV > in the UK that did PIP and this was years ago and it definitely only > had one tuner. Yeah, but your TV still has to have PIP capability. A regular analog TV can't do PIP regardless of how many inputs it can accept. From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 09:04:28 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Jul 1 08:10:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hey D-LO References: Message-ID: "Neil" | > > > That doesn't make sense -- your TV needs to be a dual-tuner TV to | > > > use PIP. The cable box shouldn't have anything to do with it. | > > > | > > | > > Well, now I'm confused. I have a 4 year old 27" Sony Wega. Nothing | > > fancy, not high def, not widescreen; just flat CRT. The TV on its | > > own does not provide P-in-P, but since I got COX cable's DVR box, I | > > now have true P-in-P. I can even move the box around the screen so as | > > not to block Robin Meade's charms in the morning. ;-) | > | > Sounds like your flat screen has digital inputs, perhaps, monitor style? | If you have a dual tuner DVR (quite common) then the DVR can give your | monitor PIP capability. | > | > | | I don't believe I'm using digital inputs, but then I should 'fess up to my | missus hooking up the media centre. I take care of the PC, she does the TV. | ;-) | | The DVR is dual tuner allowing you to record two channels at once, or record | one and watch another. If you're recording two channels, you can only watch | one of those, and not a third. I can't believe I didn't get DVR when it | first came out. Kind of like broadband after dial-up, or CDs after | cassettes; I could never go back to a VCR. Can the recording be made/transferred to a DVD? Can DVD's be duplicated? From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 09:13:29 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jul 1 08:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hey D-LO References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: Maybe if you have problems again it would be better to > unplug it at the socket rather than pulling the wire out the back of > the modem itself? That's what I'm doing now -- the power cord has a converter in the middle, so I have that sitting on top of my scanner and I unplug it at that point instead of on the back of the modem. Or isolating the modem and router on a switchable > socket of their own and just flipping the switch. . It's already on a switch (power strip). For whatever electrical reason I don't understand, as long as the thing is grounded by at least one of the lines it won't reboot unless you completely unplug it. A switch only breaks the "hot" feed, not the return. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 09:17:12 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jul 1 08:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: IE Spyad References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > > Get spywareguard and put it in your startup group, it does a lot > > more than HiJack This to protect your machine. > > > > http://www.wilderssecurity.net/spywareguard.html > > aha! didn't I say something about HiJackThis not being proactive > enough only a few weeks ago hmm? > > thanks for the link, that'll come in mighty handy No problemo. We aim to please ;-) From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 09:20:59 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Neil) Date: Fri Jul 1 08:25:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Boycott the loon References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" wrote in message news:da1r5o$bs9$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Neil" wrote in message > news:da1egl$4lo$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > >> > >> Errrrmmmm......... Invading sovereign territories for oil??!!?? > >> > >> > > > > If that was really the case, then someone must be storing this oil up or > > keeping it for themselves as OPEC still seem to be ruling the roost. > > > > You really must read more.... ;-) > > http://www.veteransforpeace.org/Confusion_over_who_042003.htm > > http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/jan-june03/oil_4-24.html > > http://www.americanpolitics.com/20010219SubMariners2.html > > http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/may2005/2005-05-23-01.asp > > Just a few........ and not an OPEC in sight........... They may control > the oil production in the middle east, but the American administration is > determined it's gonna control it everywhere else - or else! > > I wasn't referring to OPEC controlling oil in Iraq. I was making an observation that despite assertions that the Iraq war was about gaining control of the Iraqi oil fields, the price of oil has only increased since the overthrowing of Saddam Hussein. If the US now control such huge oil reserves, why has it not been used to force the price of oil down? It seems to me that its being stored or left in the ground, because OPEC still appear to rule the roost when it comes to controlling the price by controlling production among the OPEC countries. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 09:27:01 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Neil) Date: Fri Jul 1 08:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hey D-LO References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:da3bpj$6ie$1@news.spamcop.net... I can't believe I didn't get DVR when it > | first came out. Kind of like broadband after dial-up, or CDs after > | cassettes; I could never go back to a VCR. > > Can the recording be made/transferred to a DVD? Can DVD's be duplicated? > > There is the facility to transfer to VCR, and you could always then transfer to DVD. I think you're making the point that VCRs have the advantage of being able to play the recording in other players which is of course the limitation of a DVR where the recording sits on a fixed hard disk in the box. Despite this, I haven't once wished I could take the recording and play it elsewhere. Truly, I don't miss VCRs at all. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 09:33:40 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Jul 1 08:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: IE Spyad References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:da3c89$6ra$1@news.spamcop.net... > > No problemo. We aim to please ;-) We'll believe that when we inspect your bathroom..... From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 09:39:56 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Jul 1 08:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Revised WTC design References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" <83vgwcn02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:da2r8m$u2l$1@news.spamcop.net... > It would help if those at the top would stop trying to keep linking it > to completely unrelated events. But we all know that isn't going to > happen because 9/11 was filled with too many endless possibilities to > exploit to give up that easily. > > The whole Freedom Tower is just filled with so many endless layers of > symbolism of the whole thing. No, not the 1776 feet height and the > echoes of the Statue of Liberty and all that other stuff, but more a > symbol of the growing fortress mentality of wrapping the Freedom Tower > in a layer of concrete, pulling it further away from the world, creating > more invasive security procedures, giving up privacies and freedoms in > the name of security. Nicely said, Kerry....... From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 08:54:07 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Fri Jul 1 08:50:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" wrote in message news:da2rf7$u4i$1@news.spamcop.net... > You also forgot to ask him to define "need killing" ............ The crux of the matter. Nevertheless, reasoning that we have killed 'more' is not a very good reason to be against the US in Iraq. Being killed for what one believes in does not ask for sympathy and numbers do not matter. 'Doing what is right' is often a sacrifice, and sometimes results in death at the hands of those who disagree. The argument /should/ be against why it is not /right/ for the US to be in Iraq. Those who argued against it the invasion lost. They may still consider the invasion to be 'wrong' but there is no correcting that decision. The arguments are about what is 'right' *now* for the US to do. Even for a pacifist argument, making a decision based on how many would die is not 'right' - the only time a decision could be made on how many would die is for the people who are dying to decide. The famous argument is from the Bible - let one man die. Miss Betsy From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Fri Jul 1 14:13:19 2005 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Fri Jul 1 09:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: Porpoise on 01/07/2005 wrote: > > "Frog Prince" wrote in message > news:da2mvi$rjf$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > "HeyBub" > > > > > Our goal is to kill only as many as need killing. Not one more! > > > > Nor one less? > > You also forgot to ask him to define "need killing" ............ The World Tribunal on Iraq (WTI), an anti-war grouping of non-governmental organisations (NGOs), intellectuals and writers, heard witnesses condemn the United States for rights abuses and the worsening plight of Iraqi women. A former US Air Force pilot called on US troops in Iraq to "resist" the orders of their superior officers in an "illegal war". "Today Iraq has been turned into a vast prison," lawyer Amal Sawadi told the hearing. "They come to people's houses in the middle of the night, when everyone is asleep, blow in the door. They point their weapons in people's faces ... they search women in front of their families, they smash everything in the house." She said lawyers had problems getting news of their imprisoned clients and spoke of rapes and humiliations which amounted to the "systematic practice of torture." The only journalist present in the city of Fallujah when it was attacked in April and November 2004 said the assault on it amounted to "genocide". Fadhil Al Bedrani, of the Al-Jazeera network, told how a 70-year-old man died for lack of medical supplies and of the stench of rotting bodies "abandoned in the streets and eaten by animals." The plight of Iraqi women has worsened badly since the occupation, Hana Ibrahim, an Iraqi feminist said. "From the day the occupation started there have been systematic violations of women's rights. They have been kidnapped, raped and even taken to other countries by criminal networks," she said. She said 90 percent of women were out of work, women were now "almost non-existent in social life" while "prostitution was developing" and more and more women were reduced to begging. Former pilot Tim Goodrich said US troops should realize they were taking part in an illegal war and resist. "There are some people that have, there are pieces of resistance that people don't know about... some soldiers who refuse to go on a mission," he said. "The military is part of the problem, not of the solution." "Some people accuse us of being against the troops or antipatriotic but we are the troops. How can I be antipatriotic by asking our soldiers to come back home alive?" About 200 non-governmental organziations -- including the environmentalist group Greenpeace, the anti-globalisation ATTAC and Vietnam Veterans Against the War -- as well as a number of prominent intellectuals such as US linguist Noam Chomsky and Egyptian sociologist Samir Amin are involved in the WTI. http://www.worldtribunal.org/ Try telling the mothers in Fallujah that their sons that could not get out of the city *needed* to die, that is if his mother is still alive. From eponym at I.hate.spam.com Fri Jul 1 11:21:44 2005 From: eponym at I.hate.spam.com (Eponym) Date: Fri Jul 1 10:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "Canopus" wrote in message news:da3fhf$8eb$1@news.spamcop.net... > > http://www.worldtribunal.org/ > > > Try telling the mothers in Fallujah that their sons that could not get > out of the city *needed* to die, that is if his mother is still alive. Whether or not there is any validity to the accusations, they should be vetted in US forums. I'm not at all interested in seeing our people placed before some foreign tribunal that rightly or wrongly appears rabidly anti-US. From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jul 1 16:25:09 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Fri Jul 1 10:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Boycott the loon References: Message-ID: "Neil" wrote in message news:da3cfc$6ss$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Porpoise" wrote in message > news:da1r5o$bs9$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> the oil production in the middle east, but the American administration is >> determined it's gonna control it everywhere else - or else! >> >> > > I wasn't referring to OPEC controlling oil in Iraq. I was making an > observation that despite assertions that the Iraq war was about gaining > control of the Iraqi oil fields, the price of oil has only increased since > the overthrowing of Saddam Hussein. Yes, well, they're not exactly in full production yet...... > If the US now control such huge oil > reserves, why has it not been used to force the price of oil down? It > seems > to me that its being stored or left in the ground, because OPEC still > appear > to rule the roost when it comes to controlling the price by controlling > production among the OPEC countries. Which wouldn't be why they're trying to gain control over the rest of it (the other 60% of the world's production).........???? (That is to say, all the non-OPEC countries). http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/nonopec.html That was the point I was making. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 11:35:54 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jul 1 10:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: IE Spyad References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:da3c89$6ra$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > No problemo. We aim to please ;-) > > We'll believe that when we inspect your bathroom..... Cleaned both last night, try again in a couple of weeks..... From johnl at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 15:41:30 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Fri Jul 1 10:45:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: IE Spyad References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in news:da3d90$7bk$1@news.spamcop.net: >> No problemo. We aim to please ;-) > > We'll believe that when we inspect your bathroom..... > > > I'm glad that I wasn't the only one who thought of that rhyme. ;-) From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jul 1 17:04:42 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Fri Jul 1 11:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hey D-LO References: Message-ID: "Neil" wrote in message news:da3cqm$73i$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > There is the facility to transfer to VCR, and you could always then > transfer > to DVD. I think you're making the point that VCRs have the advantage of > being able to play the recording in other players which is of course the > limitation of a DVR where the recording sits on a fixed hard disk in the > box. Despite this, I haven't once wished I could take the recording and > play it elsewhere. Truly, I don't miss VCRs at all. > IB *all* DVRs record to DVD discs - some (more expensive) also have a hard drive enabling you to record more hours unattended. (I'm not aware of any hard-drive only DVRs - but then it's not really my interest, I do all mine on a PC). From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jul 1 17:10:51 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Fri Jul 1 11:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-D72D20.09323401072005@frylock.local... > In article , > "Frog Prince" wrote: > > > Most people think that a court of law is the place where one would > fairly determine guilt. In the heat of battle, need is relative. I want your oil, so you need to die! From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jul 1 17:19:43 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Fri Jul 1 11:25:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "Eponym" wrote in message news:da3jhq$arv$1@news.spamcop.net... > "Canopus" wrote in message > news:da3fhf$8eb$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> http://www.worldtribunal.org/ >> >> >> Try telling the mothers in Fallujah that their sons that could not get >> out of the city *needed* to die, that is if his mother is still alive. > > Whether or not there is any validity to the accusations, they should be > vetted in US forums. I'm not at all interested in seeing our people > placed before some foreign tribunal that rightly or wrongly appears > rabidly anti-US. But it's okay for the US to be witness, judge, jury & executioner...!!!!????!!!! Without anyone else's verification being required...?!? From eponym at I.hate.spam.com Fri Jul 1 12:52:47 2005 From: eponym at I.hate.spam.com (Eponym) Date: Fri Jul 1 11:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" wrote in message news:da3n06$dfm$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> Whether or not there is any validity to the accusations, they should be >> vetted in US forums. I'm not at all interested in seeing our people >> placed before some foreign tribunal that rightly or wrongly appears >> rabidly anti-US. > > But it's okay for the US to be witness, judge, jury & > executioner...!!!!????!!!! Without anyone else's verification being > required...?!? I'm not saying that. Free speech is something I value, and other parties are certainly entitled to their opinion....however wrong or biased it may be. Whether or not such opinions are given any hearing is on our heads. Nevertheless, I don't believe foreigners have any right to mete out justice to US citizens in these matters. From johnl at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 17:02:17 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Fri Jul 1 12:05:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "Eponym" wrote in news:da3osh$ebr$1@news.spamcop.net: > Nevertheless, I don't believe foreigners have any right to mete out > justice to US citizens in these matters. But on the other hand, why should the US be able to "mete out justice" to other country's citizens? From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 13:04:11 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Neil) Date: Fri Jul 1 12:05:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hey D-LO References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" wrote in message news:da3m41$d1v$1@news.spamcop.net... > > IB *all* DVRs record to DVD discs - some (more expensive) also have a hard > drive enabling you to record more hours unattended. (I'm not aware of any > hard-drive only DVRs - but then it's not really my interest, I do all mine > on a PC). > I assumed the Scientific Atlanta DVR box that I have records to a hard drive, but as its fixed and not accessible (without removing the cover and I have no need to do so) it could just as easily be DVD-RAM. Either way "ah jus' lurve mah DVR". From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 13:05:37 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Neil) Date: Fri Jul 1 12:10:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: IE Spyad References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:da3kca$bel$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Spamvireslayer wrote: > > "indigo" wrote in message > > news:da3c89$6ra$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > > > No problemo. We aim to please ;-) > > > > We'll believe that when we inspect your bathroom..... > > Cleaned both last night, try again in a couple of weeks..... > > LOL couple of weeks..... class... ;-D From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 13:15:22 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jul 1 12:20:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hey D-LO References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > > > > IB *all* DVRs record to DVD discs - some (more expensive) also have a > hard drive enabling you to record more hours unattended. (I'm not > aware of any hard-drive only DVRs - but then it's not really my > interest, I do all mine on a PC). Psssttt....what do you think is storing all that video in the DVR? Try to find a DVR *without* a hard drive....... And you can burn DVD's two ways: hook up output from DVR to a PC or laptop that has a DVD burner, or buy a DVR that comes with a DVD burner. Not sure if you can burn premium channel movies and shows though.....may have some kind of copyright protection in those signals that prevents the burner from working. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 13:17:09 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jul 1 12:20:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: IE Spyad References: Message-ID: Neil wrote: > > > > LOL couple of weeks..... class... ;-D How filthy do you think I am? Furrfu......one person + good aim + two bathrooms = they don't get dirty too fast. They really get more dusty than anything else. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 13:18:22 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jul 1 12:20:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > "Eponym" wrote in > news:da3osh$ebr$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > Nevertheless, I don't believe foreigners have any right to mete out > > justice to US citizens in these matters. > > But on the other hand, why should the US be able to "mete out > justice" to other country's citizens? You mean " foreign enemy combatants", dontcha? ;-) From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 13:19:12 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Neil) Date: Fri Jul 1 12:20:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Boycott the loon References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" wrote in message news:da3jqk$b2d$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > > I wasn't referring to OPEC controlling oil in Iraq. I was making an > > observation that despite assertions that the Iraq war was about gaining > > control of the Iraqi oil fields, the price of oil has only increased since > > the overthrowing of Saddam Hussein. > > Yes, well, they're not exactly in full production yet...... > I guess we'll wait and see what happens when/if they are at full production. I seriously doubt we'll see a major decrease in the price of oil as a result of any increase in production in Iraq. > > If the US now control such huge oil > > reserves, why has it not been used to force the price of oil down? It > > seems > > to me that its being stored or left in the ground, because OPEC still > > appear > > to rule the roost when it comes to controlling the price by controlling > > production among the OPEC countries. > > Which wouldn't be why they're trying to gain control over the rest of it > (the other 60% of the world's production).........???? > (That is to say, all the non-OPEC countries). > > http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/nonopec.html > > That was the point I was making. > > I'm sorry, still not sure what point you're trying to make? Perhaps you'd be kind enough to explain rather than through rhetoric and the posting of links. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 13:25:41 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jul 1 12:30:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Boycott the loon References: Message-ID: Neil wrote: > "Porpoise" wrote in message > > > > Yes, well, they're not exactly in full production yet...... > > > > I guess we'll wait and see what happens when/if they are at full > production. I seriously doubt we'll see a major decrease in the price > of oil as a result of any increase in production in Iraq. > Iraq produces a pittance of the worlds oil supply even at full bore. In any case, the bottleneck is at the refineries, not at the oil wells........ From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 13:30:02 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Neil) Date: Fri Jul 1 12:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: IE Spyad References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:da3qa5$fa6$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Neil wrote: > > > > > > > LOL couple of weeks..... class... ;-D > > How filthy do you think I am? Furrfu......one person + good aim + two > bathrooms = they don't get dirty too fast. They really get more dusty than > anything else. > Ok, fairy 'nuf. Didn't mean to make out you were dirty. I thought you were joking with the 2 weeks comments.... ;-) Regarding aim... I subscribe to the seated school of thought so I don't have to worry. :-D From johnl at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 17:30:36 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Fri Jul 1 12:35:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in news:da3qcf$faj$1@news.spamcop.net: > You mean " foreign enemy combatants", dontcha? ;-) To be honest, it doesn't matter what "label" is put on it. Besides, and this is something that bothered me many a year ago when I had my "fun"... We called the Vietnamese names, called the NVA "invaders" and other things... WHO was the invader? Like in Iraq now, who _is_ the "foreign enemy combatants" ? To most of the world, it's the US and other allied nations, isn't it? From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 13:33:15 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Neil) Date: Fri Jul 1 12:35:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Boycott the loon References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:da3qq6$fln$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Neil wrote: > > "Porpoise" wrote in message > > > > > > Yes, well, they're not exactly in full production yet...... > > > > > > > I guess we'll wait and see what happens when/if they are at full > > production. I seriously doubt we'll see a major decrease in the price > > of oil as a result of any increase in production in Iraq. > > > > Iraq produces a pittance of the worlds oil supply even at full bore. In any > case, the bottleneck is at the refineries, not at the oil wells........ > So assuming the Iraq war was about controlling the oil despite the fact that full production would have no little to no impact on the global price of oil, what exactly is the shrub trying to achieve with this oil? Unless of course the war was less about the oil, and more about getting the guy that "tried to kill mah daddy.." From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 14:13:05 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jul 1 13:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Boycott the loon References: Message-ID: Neil wrote: Unless of course the war was less about the oil, and more > about getting the guy that "tried to kill mah daddy.." Bingo. Give the man a prize. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 14:24:42 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jul 1 13:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > "indigo" wrote in > news:da3qcf$faj$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > You mean " foreign enemy combatants", dontcha? ;-) > > To be honest, it doesn't matter what "label" is put on it. > > Besides, and this is something that bothered me many a year ago when > I had my "fun"... > We called the Vietnamese names, called the NVA "invaders" and other > things... > WHO was the invader? > Like in Iraq now, who _is_ the "foreign enemy combatants" ? > To most of the world, it's the US and other allied nations, isn't it? But God told the shrub to do it, remember?! From i83vgwcn02 at sneakemail.com Fri Jul 1 19:35:03 2005 From: i83vgwcn02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Fri Jul 1 13:40:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Boycott the loon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Neil wrote: > > I wasn't referring to OPEC controlling oil in Iraq. I was making an > observation that despite assertions that the Iraq war was about gaining > control of the Iraqi oil fields, the price of oil has only increased since > the overthrowing of Saddam Hussein. If the US now control such huge oil > reserves, why has it not been used to force the price of oil down? It seems > to me that its being stored or left in the ground, because OPEC still appear > to rule the roost when it comes to controlling the price by controlling > production among the OPEC countries. You say the US controls the oil fields as if the US government or the US army is in the oil business or something. The US government isn't but pretty much the vast majority of those in the current administration are or were. Rice has a tanker named after her, Shrub ran a oil company into the ground, Cheney never even bothered to really cut his ties with his last employer, and the list goes on and on. But the US doesn't really get all that much oil from the Gulf region, but the key is now the long term dream of a massive permanent military presence has finally happened. Sure there was a show of an election but with how many massive military bases are now in Iraq and the gigantic staff at the new embassy, yeah, Iraq is certainly calling its own shots. But the important thing is the control over this region and the presence. A lot of allies, Europe, Asia, all get lots of oil from the region and controlling that tap, that's the important thing. And as mentioned before, making sure the oil trade stays in dollars instead of going to euros is a huge issue for the US economy. And why would anybody in the administration want the price of oil to go down. Oil companies are now swimming in cash, their former and future employers, you think there is much motivation to push the price down somehow? Don't forget that Shrub is a close friend with many of the major power players in OPEC. You can't really see the policies of the government without seeing the possibilities for personal enrichment for those setting and carrying out the policies. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 14:36:29 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Jul 1 13:40:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: IE Spyad References: Message-ID: "Neil" wrote in message news:da3r2b$fnr$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Ok, fairy 'nuf. Didn't mean to make out you were dirty. I thought you were > joking with the 2 weeks comments.... ;-) > > Regarding aim... I subscribe to the seated school of thought so I don't have > to worry. :-D I didn't think he was joking, I've heard of guys who think 'cleaning the toilet' is dumping a bottle of bleach in it once a year....... From i83vgwcn02 at sneakemail.com Fri Jul 1 19:37:54 2005 From: i83vgwcn02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Fri Jul 1 13:40:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hey D-LO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > > Psssttt....what do you think is storing all that video in the DVR? Try to > find a DVR *without* a hard drive....... > > And you can burn DVD's two ways: hook up output from DVR to a PC or laptop > that has a DVD burner, or buy a DVR that comes with a DVD burner. Not sure > if you can burn premium channel movies and shows though.....may have some > kind of copyright protection in those signals that prevents the burner from > working. A lot of the DVRs have been reverse engineered too. If you don't mind cracking open the cover and probably voiding your warranty, you can pull out the hard drive and access the files directly. From johnl at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 18:43:45 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Fri Jul 1 13:45:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in news:da3u8r$hc2$1@news.spamcop.net: > But God told the shrub to do it, remember?! Yeah, and the next thing on his agenda..... Washington D.C. to be renamed "Bushland" From johnl at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 18:44:15 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Fri Jul 1 13:45:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: IE Spyad References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in news:da3v0p$hqg$1@news.spamcop.net: > I didn't think he was joking, I've heard of guys who think 'cleaning > the toilet' is dumping a bottle of bleach in it once a year....... Nah.... TWICE a year! :P From i83vgwcn02 at sneakemail.com Fri Jul 1 19:49:41 2005 From: i83vgwcn02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Fri Jul 1 13:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Boycott the loon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Neil wrote: > > So assuming the Iraq war was about controlling the oil despite the fact that > full production would have no little to no impact on the global price of > oil, what exactly is the shrub trying to achieve with this oil? Unless of > course the war was less about the oil, and more about getting the guy that > "tried to kill mah daddy.." Besides, the price of gas in the US doesn't really reflect the true costs of it. The production is very heavily subsidized. You know, if I walk down the street, I see it selling for like 86 pence per liter. If you try to calculate that and put it in terms of dollars per gallon, the huge numbers are really going to hurt. The price of oil is rising because it is a finite resource and there are many who think that oil production has peaked, and some who think it peaked many years ago. The price of oil is only going to continue to climb in the future unless there is a different energy source found to replace it. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 14:48:58 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Jul 1 13:50:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns968677505BA5johnlspamcopnet@216.154.195.61... > "indigo" wrote in news:da3u8r$hc2$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > But God told the shrub to do it, remember?! > > Yeah, and the next thing on his agenda..... > > Washington D.C. to be renamed "Bushland" If it isn't it will be soon, now that Sandra Day O'Connor is retiring, he can put up another one of his Bible thumping chauvenist lackeys - women's rights just went into the toilet, look for an overturn of Roe v Wade in the near future. From i83vgwcn02 at sneakemail.com Fri Jul 1 19:54:43 2005 From: i83vgwcn02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Fri Jul 1 13:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Boycott the loon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Neil wrote: > > So assuming the Iraq war was about controlling the oil despite the fact that > full production would have no little to no impact on the global price of > oil, what exactly is the shrub trying to achieve with this oil? Unless of > course the war was less about the oil, and more about getting the guy that > "tried to kill mah daddy.." Or to reply to the same post with a different thread, you could look at how many in the administration are hard core born agains and there is a bit of evidence to say that the Rapture just might be a big motivation for them. You know, bringing about the conditions to make it happen. Like what does it really matter if the environment is being destroyed, the important thing is gaining wealth and power as quickly as possible to shape those events. Once they are all swept up naked, mercury in the water doesn't matter so much anymore. And it is all supposed to happen in the Middle East. From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Fri Jul 1 19:26:14 2005 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Fri Jul 1 14:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: Eponym on 01/07/2005 wrote: > "Porpoise" wrote in message > news:da3n06$dfm$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > > > > Whether or not there is any validity to the accusations, they > > > should be vetted in US forums. I'm not at all interested in > > > seeing our people placed before some foreign tribunal that > > > rightly or wrongly appears rabidly anti-US. > > > > But it's okay for the US to be witness, judge, jury & > > executioner...!!!!????!!!! Without anyone else's verification being > > required...?!? > > I'm not saying that. Free speech is something I value, and other > parties are certainly entitled to their opinion....however wrong or > biased it may be. Whether or not such opinions are given any hearing > is on our heads. Nevertheless, I don't believe foreigners have any > right to mete out justice to US citizens in these matters. What about the US demanding extradition of foreigners for trial in the US without giving any evidence to the foreign government from whom they are demanding the citizen from? Rob From eponym at I.hate.spam.com Fri Jul 1 15:29:34 2005 From: eponym at I.hate.spam.com (Eponym) Date: Fri Jul 1 14:30:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns9686661C3E954johnlspamcopnet@216.154.195.61... > "Eponym" wrote in > news:da3osh$ebr$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> Nevertheless, I don't believe foreigners have any right to mete out >> justice to US citizens in these matters. > > But on the other hand, why should the US be able to "mete out justice" to > other country's citizens? Based on past conflicts, the victor (if there is one) determines where wrongdoers will be tried and what is just...whether or not the basis for war was correct. The US hasn't surrendered, and I doubt it will. If other nations decided to intercede in the conflict and somehow force the US to surrender, well, it'd be a mess, but I expect they'd be in a position to try US citizens. It ain't gonna happen. I'm sure the US is disliked by some, but might makes right. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 15:28:39 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Jul 1 14:30:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Drugs from Canada - not anymore Message-ID: http://www.forbes.com/lifestyle/health/feeds/hscout/2005/07/01/hscout526618.html FRIDAY, July 1 (HealthDay News) -- If Canada makes good on its pledge this week to restrict exports of prescription drugs, it will mean short-term headaches for U.S. consumers needing cheaper, potentially lifesaving pharmaceuticals. In the long-term, however, such a move could force some dramatic changes in the prescription drug network, and might even prompt a political showdown in Washington, D.C., experts say. "For millions of Americans who currently import drugs from Canada because they can't afford to pay the prices in the U.S., this would make it difficult, if not impossible, to do so unless they could go to Canada," said Kirsten Sloan, AARP's national coordinator for health issues. "What it doesn't mean, which is just as important, is that it's not going to diminish the growing public sentiment that there has to be something done to control costs," she added. The proposed Canadian legislation "potentially takes away one of the last opportunities for somewhat more affordable drugs," added Isaac BenEzra, president of the Massachusetts Senior Action Council in Amherst, who gets his drugs from Canada and helps others do so as well. "That spells not taking your pills, cutting your pills in half, not filling your prescriptions, and that leads to more serious problems and, in the end, it can be deadly. It's bad news." Drugmakers contend that price controls in countries such as Canada depress the cost of prescription drugs to consumers to artificially low levels. Such price controls, which don't exist in the United States, would discourage the research and development needed to bring new and better drugs to market, according to the manufacturers. Reacting to the upsurge in cross-border activity, drug companies such as Pfizer Inc. and GlaxoSmithKline have cut supplies to Canadian pharmacies and wholesalers that serve American customers. Abby Ottenhoff, a spokeswoman for Illinois' pro-import Democratic governor, Rod Blagojevich, told HealthDay last fall, "It's a well-known fact that the pharmaceutical industry is trying to shut down supply to Canadian pharmacies that are serving American citizens." From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Fri Jul 1 19:31:58 2005 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Fri Jul 1 14:35:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: indigo on 01/07/2005 wrote: > > > JohnL wrote: > > "Eponym" wrote in > > news:da3osh$ebr$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > > > Nevertheless, I don't believe foreigners have any right to mete > > > out justice to US citizens in these matters. > > > > But on the other hand, why should the US be able to "mete out > > justice" to other country's citizens? > > You mean " foreign enemy combatants", dontcha? ;-) There has recently been UK citizens living in the UK that the US have demanded be extradited to the US to stand trial on various charges without the US government giving the UK government any proof or documentation of evidence against them. The reasoning is that if the US government demands a country hand over a citizen to them to stand trial then there must be a good reason because it's the US government demanding it. Rob From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Fri Jul 1 19:36:43 2005 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Fri Jul 1 14:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: indigo on 01/07/2005 wrote: > > > JohnL wrote: > > "indigo" wrote in > > news:da3qcf$faj$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > > > You mean " foreign enemy combatants", dontcha? ;-) > > > > To be honest, it doesn't matter what "label" is put on it. > > > > Besides, and this is something that bothered me many a year ago when > > I had my "fun"... > > We called the Vietnamese names, called the NVA "invaders" and other > > things... > > WHO was the invader? > > Like in Iraq now, who is the "foreign enemy combatants" ? > > To most of the world, it's the US and other allied nations, isn't > > it? > > But God told the shrub to do it, remember?! And God told the Iman to send out suicide bombers. I think it's time to bring God to account and put him on trial for war crimes. Or could he possibly be being impersonated, a Joe Job by that fellow with horns? Rob From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 16:00:08 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Neil) Date: Fri Jul 1 15:05:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Boycott the loon References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:da3vnp$i63$1@news.spamcop.net... > Neil wrote: > > > > So assuming the Iraq war was about controlling the oil despite the fact that > > full production would have no little to no impact on the global price of > > oil, what exactly is the shrub trying to achieve with this oil? Unless of > > course the war was less about the oil, and more about getting the guy that > > "tried to kill mah daddy.." > > Besides, the price of gas in the US doesn't really reflect the true > costs of it. The production is very heavily subsidized. You know, if I > walk down the street, I see it selling for like 86 pence per liter. If > you try to calculate that and put it in terms of dollars per gallon, the > huge numbers are really going to hurt. > I don't think this is completely true. I believe that the higher price of petrol in the UK is more to do with the higher levels of tax on the fuel, as opposed to lower levels of subsidy. > The price of oil is rising because it is a finite resource and there are > many who think that oil production has peaked, and some who think it > peaked many years ago. The price of oil is only going to continue to > climb in the future unless there is a different energy source found to > replace it. There's more to it than this. You're talking about the market causing the price to increase solely because of fears of it running out. If that were the entire explanation for rising oil prices, OPEC wouldn't bother to decrease output because the price is going up regardless -- according to you. I believe the economics are more fundamental. Supply is decreased by OPEC and the price goes up. Supply is increased by OPEC and the price goes down. There are of course other factors such as increasing global demand. From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jul 1 21:03:52 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Fri Jul 1 15:05:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hey D-LO References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:da3q6q$f8a$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Porpoise wrote: >> > >> >> IB *all* DVRs record to DVD discs - some (more expensive) also have a >> hard drive enabling you to record more hours unattended. (I'm not >> aware of any hard-drive only DVRs - but then it's not really my >> interest, I do all mine on a PC). > > Psssttt....what do you think is storing all that video in the DVR? Try to > find a DVR *without* a hard drive....... DRX-430 DVD & MPEG-4 Player/Recorder ?145.53 inc VAT (?123.86 ex VAT) http://www.dabs.com/uk/productview?quicklinx=3NJW LVW-5002B DVD Recorder ?127.34 inc VAT (?108.38 ex VAT) http://www.dabs.com/uk/productview?quicklinx=3NVY RDR-GX210 DVD Recorder Progressive Scan with iLink & MP3 Playback ?203.78 inc VAT (?173.43 ex VAT) http://www.dabs.com/uk/productview?quicklinx=3MSW And there are umpteen others. You don't really get into the ones with HDD until you're into the "over two hundred pound" bracket. From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jul 1 21:05:44 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Fri Jul 1 15:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: IE Spyad References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:da3v0p$hqg$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Neil" wrote in message > news:da3r2b$fnr$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> Ok, fairy 'nuf. Didn't mean to make out you were dirty. I thought you >> were >> joking with the 2 weeks comments.... ;-) >> >> Regarding aim... I subscribe to the seated school of thought so I don't >> have >> to worry. :-D > > I didn't think he was joking, I've heard of guys who think 'cleaning the > toilet' is > dumping a bottle of bleach in it once a year....... No, no, no! You have to take it OUT of the bottle! From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jul 1 21:08:19 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Fri Jul 1 15:10:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "Eponym" wrote in message news:da3osh$ebr$1@news.spamcop.net... > "Porpoise" wrote in message > news:da3n06$dfm$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>> >>> Whether or not there is any validity to the accusations, they should be >>> vetted in US forums. I'm not at all interested in seeing our people >>> placed before some foreign tribunal that rightly or wrongly appears >>> rabidly anti-US. >> >> But it's okay for the US to be witness, judge, jury & >> executioner...!!!!????!!!! Without anyone else's verification being >> required...?!? > > I'm not saying that. Free speech is something I value, and other parties > are certainly entitled to their opinion....however wrong or biased it may > be. Whether or not such opinions are given any hearing is on our heads. > Nevertheless, I don't believe foreigners have any right to mete out > justice to US citizens in these matters. But the US somehow has the right to mete out "it's" justice to all & sundry, if their views don't happen to coincide!?! Sheesh! No wonder the US has got so many enemies round the place.....!! From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jul 1 21:08:40 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Fri Jul 1 15:10:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:da3qcf$faj$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > JohnL wrote: >> "Eponym" wrote in >> news:da3osh$ebr$1@news.spamcop.net: >> >> > Nevertheless, I don't believe foreigners have any right to mete out >> > justice to US citizens in these matters. >> >> But on the other hand, why should the US be able to "mete out >> justice" to other country's citizens? > > You mean " foreign enemy combatants", dontcha? ;-) > > SPLORFF!!!!!!!!!! From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 16:10:18 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Jul 1 15:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9686997901B8TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > You like to think that because you drive an SUV. But, percentage-wise, > there are more asshole SUV drivers than small car drivers. Hmm. And > aren't there more SUVs on the road than small cars? Well, that means that > there are more asshole SUV drivers period. You just proved my point - i drive an SUV and I am not an asshole driver, in fact everyone who has ever hit me, let's count 'em, three at least, drunks, idiot teenagers, people not paying attention and running red lights, was NOT driving an SUV. How about them odds, three outta three? So because you hate SUV's, you like to think that everyone who drives one must be an asshole, since I'm not, then you'd be wrong..... and like most everything, there are no absolutes. From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jul 1 21:17:32 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Fri Jul 1 15:20:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Boycott the loon References: Message-ID: "Neil" wrote in message news:da43rr$kk1$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message > news:da3vnp$i63$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Neil wrote: >> > > There's more to it than this. You're talking about the market causing the > price to increase solely because of fears of it running out. If that were > the entire explanation for rising oil prices, OPEC wouldn't bother to > decrease output because the price is going up regardless -- according to > you. I believe the economics are more fundamental. Supply is decreased > by > OPEC and the price goes up. Supply is increased by OPEC and the price > goes > down. There are of course other factors such as increasing global demand. > > And perhaps the fact that OPEC only produce 40% of the worlds supplies is irrelevant to the entire argument?? If the other 60% of producers reduced output, the price would go up too........... It may be the biggest "single" producer, but it doesn't produce "most" of the world's output. And, as it would be extremely difficult for the "BOYS" to get control of that, they're looking for the easy targets out of the other 60%...... From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jul 1 21:21:59 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Fri Jul 1 15:25:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "Eponym" wrote in message news:da422g$jme$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I'm sure the US is disliked by some, By SOME????????? You must be well sheltered from the world media. Try MOST! > but might makes right. Huh? From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Jul 1 21:23:44 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Fri Jul 1 15:25:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "Canopus" wrote in message news:da42fq$k11$1@news.spamcop.net... > indigo on 01/07/2005 wrote: > >> >> >> >> But God told the shrub to do it, remember?! > > And God told the Iman to send out suicide bombers. I think it's time > to bring God to account and put him on trial for war crimes. Or could > he possibly be being impersonated, a Joe Job by that fellow with horns? > I don't remember Georgie babe having horns.......?!? From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 16:26:18 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jul 1 15:30:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: IE Spyad References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > I didn't think he was joking, I've heard of guys who think 'cleaning > the toilet' is dumping a bottle of bleach in it once a year....... I ain't one of them, the ick factor is too much for me......my terlets are kept spotless. Body hair on the floor is a different issue..... From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 16:28:20 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jul 1 15:30:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hey D-LO References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > > > > Psssttt....what do you think is storing all that video in the DVR? > > Try to find a DVR *without* a hard drive....... > > > DRX-430 DVD & MPEG-4 Player/Recorder > ?145.53 inc VAT (?123.86 ex VAT) > http://www.dabs.com/uk/productview?quicklinx=3NJW > > > LVW-5002B DVD Recorder > ?127.34 inc VAT (?108.38 ex VAT) > http://www.dabs.com/uk/productview?quicklinx=3NVY > > > RDR-GX210 DVD Recorder Progressive Scan with iLink & MP3 Playback > ?203.78 inc VAT (?173.43 ex VAT) > http://www.dabs.com/uk/productview?quicklinx=3MSW > > And there are umpteen others. You don't really get into the ones with > HDD until you're into the "over two hundred pound" bracket. Yeahbutt.....those aren't the boxen you get when you get a DVR from Comcast or DirecTV....... From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 16:28:49 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jul 1 15:30:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "JohnL" wrote in message > news:Xns968677505BA5johnlspamcopnet@216.154.195.61... > > "indigo" wrote in > > news:da3u8r$hc2$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > > > But God told the shrub to do it, remember?! > > > > Yeah, and the next thing on his agenda..... > > > > Washington D.C. to be renamed "Bushland" > > If it isn't it will be soon, now that Sandra Day O'Connor is > retiring, SAY WHAT?!?! From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 16:30:28 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jul 1 15:35:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "indigo" wrote: > > > > Like in Iraq now, who _is_ the "foreign enemy combatants" ? > > > To most of the world, it's the US and other allied nations, isn't > > > it? > > > > But God told the shrub to do it, remember?! > > Doesn't make the US troops any less foreign, less enemy, or less > combatant, does it? In the shrub's what-passes-for-a-brain US troops are _never_ foreigners...... From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 16:35:32 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jul 1 15:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > "Eponym" wrote in message > > > but might makes right. > > Huh? Translation: So whaddya going to do about it, little man? Go ahead, try to stop us.... From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 16:36:33 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jul 1 15:40:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: Canopus wrote: > > There has recently been UK citizens living in the UK that the US have > demanded be extradited to the US to stand trial on various charges > without the US government giving the UK government any proof or > documentation of evidence against them. The reasoning is that if the > US government demands a country hand over a citizen to them to stand > trial then there must be a good reason because it's the US government > demanding it. > > Rob Can't wait to see if we hand over those 13 CIA agents accused of kidnapping that Oman from Italy......yeah, sure we will........ From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 16:37:56 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jul 1 15:40:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was "Eponym" ! > > > And why the #%$*! haven't we captured/killed UBL yet!?! > > We haven't sent the right man to the MidEast to deal with it. But I > think that you'll do. We need Ahnold! Like in the movie "Collateral Damage"...... From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 13:39:39 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 15:40:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: eminent domain this is priceless References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:da1tr9$dmm$1@news.spamcop.net... > gotta love Ben.... > "Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected as as outraged as > those who are."--Benjamin Franklin Apparently empathy is sorely lacking in many of those in power. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 16:42:31 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jul 1 15:45:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Someone who elects to drive an SUV has a different mindset from > someone who elects to drive a small car. Fine, whatever, some > RIDICULOUSLY SMALL PERCENTAGE of those driving SUVs actually need to > - that's you :) - and the rest like the feelings of POWER, of > CONTROL, whatever, that come from driving in such a monstrously huge > and imposing piece of metal. What's the difference between a midsize SUV and a minivan? Are all soccer mom's also after feelings of power? From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 13:42:47 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 15:45:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Revised WTC design References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" <83vgwcn02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:da2r8m$u2l$1@news.spamcop.net... > The whole Freedom Tower is just filled with so many endless layers of > symbolism of the whole thing. No, not the 1776 feet height and the > echoes of the Statue of Liberty and all that other stuff, but more a > symbol of the growing fortress mentality of wrapping the Freedom Tower > in a layer of concrete, pulling it further away from the world, creating > more invasive security procedures, giving up privacies and freedoms in > the name of security. It's rather unaptly named when you look at it that way huh? Who came up with such a kitschy name anyway? From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 13:45:59 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 15:50:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Google's view of the earth References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" wrote in message news:da1r9g$bu4$1@news.spamcop.net... > > If they won't do Macs, fuck 'em. > > Yeah! An' if they won't do Wellies, fuck 'em too! LOL. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 13:48:02 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 15:50:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hey D-LO References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:da1rnb$c9r$3@news.spamcop.net... > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > "Borgholio" wrote in message > > news:d9s8i2$5hr$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > I, for one, am glad it's leased. When I first signed up with the cable > > > >>service, they had unknowingly shipped out a large number of defective / > >>incompatible cable modems. Took them over a month to find the problem and > >>send me a reliable replacement. Had I not leased the modem, I'd have to > >>purchase a new one. > > > > > > You certainly wouldn't! It was their fault and they'd have to make it right > > at their cost. > > > > > > You really think the cable company would reimburse me for a modem that I > purchased from another company and was not part of the cable plan? that's not what you said though... you said you'd got one of theirs so them sending out the wrong one would have been irrelevant if you'd purchased one (elsewhere) which presumably wouldn't have been a defective one. Now if you'd purchased it from THEM, they'd still have to replace it because it was defective. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 16:48:03 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Neil) Date: Fri Jul 1 15:50:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Boycott the loon References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" wrote in message news:da44u6$lbj$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Neil" wrote in message > >> > > > There's more to it than this. You're talking about the market causing the > > price to increase solely because of fears of it running out. If that were > > the entire explanation for rising oil prices, OPEC wouldn't bother to > > decrease output because the price is going up regardless -- according to > > you. I believe the economics are more fundamental. Supply is decreased > > by > > OPEC and the price goes up. Supply is increased by OPEC and the price > > goes > > down. There are of course other factors such as increasing global demand. > > > > > > And perhaps the fact that OPEC only produce 40% of the worlds supplies is > irrelevant to the entire argument?? Oh no...more rhetoric. Dude...please explain yourself clearly. > If the other 60% of producers reduced > output, the price would go up too........... It may be the biggest "single" > producer, but it doesn't produce "most" of the world's output. > And, as it would be extremely difficult for the "BOYS" to get control of > that, they're looking for the easy targets out of the other 60%...... > > *IF* the other 60% reduced output... You really answered this for me with your next sentence. OPEC are a cartel, or consortium if you want to be polite. They have the biggest single influence because they work together. The remaining 60% do not, hence they can increase or decrease their own output for whatever reasons, and the global price of oil is not as affected. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 13:49:21 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 15:50:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Boycott the loon References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:da1t7g$d8v$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "D-LO" wrote in message > news:da1njd$9v2$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > I liked this comment, from A.O. Scott's review in the NYT: > > > > "Mr. Cruise has lately proven himself to be much more interesting and > > unpredictable as a talk show guest than as an actor, but he remains > > adept at playing - either with or against type, depending on how you > > look at it - a jerk brought low by circumstances beyond his control." > > > ROFL ...... must be those aliens that are keeping his behavior byond his > control.... I see Brooke Sheilds is weighing in with some choice comments on him now too. This could get interesting, unless he drops the whole matter of course. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 16:50:27 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Neil) Date: Fri Jul 1 15:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hey D-LO References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:da45gl$lol$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Yeahbutt.....those aren't the boxen you get when you get a DVR from Comcast > or DirecTV....... > > Or COX, which was I think where this part of the thread started (with me). From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 13:50:29 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 15:55:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Troops not impressed? References: Message-ID: "Canopus" wrote in message news:da1tgs$dbt$1@news.spamcop.net... > I am attempting to find out, but, it doesn't really contradict other > news that is slipping out reported by excellent reporters such as the > UK Channel 4 News. Of course there could always be a world wide > conspiracy to put the US in a bad light so I will endeavour to dig > deeper and follow the case through. > > The first casualty of war is truth so keep an open mind. Indeed. Indi obviously left his skeptics hat at home and forgot who's been lying to us (outright and by omission) so much in recent times. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 13:52:16 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 15:55:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pretty cool capsize and recovery References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:da1v3m$eav$2@news.spamcop.net... > In south Louisiana sever years back there was a wash out (in) at a salt > dome. A tow boat and 5 barges were sucked down into the hole. Boat and > three barges came up a bit later. Never did see the other two barges. what the hell is a salt dome? what hole? From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 16:53:17 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jul 1 15:55:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was "indigo" ! > > > What's the difference between a midsize SUV and a minivan? Are all > > soccer mom's also after feelings of power? > > Spare me the false rhetoric, eh? Don't want to answer an honest question, eh? From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 13:53:30 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 15:55:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hey Heidi/Spamvireslayer References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:da1ur2$e4e$1@news.spamcop.net... > > He *is* the tapeworm. > > *Hands S'kat a Droncit, shares them with the group* Must be working, I don't see any more posts. From eponym at I.hate.spam.com Fri Jul 1 16:55:28 2005 From: eponym at I.hate.spam.com (Eponym) Date: Fri Jul 1 16:00:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" wrote in message news:da456g$lhc$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Eponym" wrote in message > news:da422g$jme$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> I'm sure the US is disliked by some, > > By SOME????????? You must be well sheltered from the world media. Try > MOST! > I think you're confusing dislike for Bush and current foreign policy vs dislike of Americans in general. >> but might makes right. > > Huh? Yes...like it or not. The victor/stronger nation dictates terms and decides who/what is right or wrong. Its been that way forever, and I doubt it will ever change. Weaker nations can express outrage about any perceived wrong til they're blue in the face, but if they don't have the power to enforce their sense of morality, nothing is really going to change. It would seem the US isn't wrong enough to justify such force...for the majority anyway. UBL and other Islamic terrosists will probably continue to try til their all dead, but I don't see their efforts causing any major changes. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 16:55:52 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jul 1 16:00:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Troops not impressed? References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Canopus" wrote in message > news:da1tgs$dbt$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I am attempting to find out, but, it doesn't really contradict > other > > news that is slipping out reported by excellent reporters such as > > the UK Channel 4 News. Of course there could always be a world wide > > conspiracy to put the US in a bad light so I will endeavour to dig > > deeper and follow the case through. > > > > The first casualty of war is truth so keep an open mind. > > Indeed. Indi obviously left his skeptics hat at home and forgot who's > been lying to us (outright and by omission) so much in recent times. Oh come on...do you really believe US troops rampaged through an Iraqi hospital, killing patients and doctors? From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 16:56:45 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Jul 1 16:00:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pretty cool capsize and recovery References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Frog Prince" wrote in message > news:da1v3m$eav$2@news.spamcop.net... > > In south Louisiana sever years back there was a wash out (in) at > a salt > > dome. A tow boat and 5 barges were sucked down into the hole. > > Boat and three barges came up a bit later. Never did see the other > > two barges. > > what the hell is a salt dome? what hole? A big pocket of salt that gets dissolved by groundwater, leaving a huge sinkhole. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 13:59:54 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 16:00:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9685C7DA95720TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Sylvesterthekat" ! > > > i suspect that an SUV driver just smashed up the front of my Miata and > > drove off (while it was parked)... it seems unlikely that someone in a > > car wouldn't have seen what they were doing > > Pix? Just as in just just? Like, now? Or pretty darned recently, anyway? > Where were we when this story broke??? Oh, but, bummer... I had just discovered it, having gone to my car and found it like that. I do have a pic now if you want to see it. I guess I could post it. http://www.kookybycaron.com/share/damage.jpg From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 14:03:55 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 16:05:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:da24he$har$1@news.spamcop.net... > I think she's being a little bigoted meself, LOL, there are plenty of rude > assholes who don't drive SUV's... Ah but in my experience, it's the SUV drivers (large SUVs mind, things like Excursion/Navigator driven by people incapable of handling them) who have hit my car on previous occasions (damage was too high up to have been done by a car) and they're the ones least likely to see it because it's small. Could have been a delivery van I guess. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 14:06:35 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 16:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Boycott the loon References: Message-ID: "Don Wannit" wrote in message news:da2lid$qv3$1@news.spamcop.net... > And more recently Russia has been making the same suggestions (threats?) > of going to Euro-based oil transactions, instead of dollars. That's interesting, I hadn't heard that. > > So far GWB has managed to avoid invading Russia, but it's not at all > clear that he will be able to control himself, or the advisors he > surrounds himself with. Maybe we can last to the next election, but > surely if consensual sex is an impeachable offense, then invading other > countries and actually causing the deaths of tens of thousands of people > is at least grounds for removal from office, if not imprisonment or even > execution as a war criminal. Lucky for Russia they still have a nuclear arsenal so instead of invading them, Bush is going to have to kiss ass instead. I wonder why Putin didn't think of it earlier? It is my fondest wish that Bush eventually answers for the things he's done to this country and others. If nothing else, he will go down in history as a Bad President. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 14:07:18 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 16:10:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hey D-LO References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:da3bpj$6ie$1@news.spamcop.net... > Can the recording be made/transferred to a DVD? Yes. >Can DVD's be duplicated? No. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 14:08:35 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 16:10:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hey D-LO References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:da3c1a$6ke$1@news.spamcop.net... > It's already on a switch (power strip). For whatever electrical reason I > don't understand, as long as the thing is grounded by at least one of the > lines it won't reboot unless you completely unplug it. A switch only breaks > the "hot" feed, not the return. Is that right? Well fancy! From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 17:08:02 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Jul 1 16:10:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:da45hi$lp0$1@news.spamcop.net... > > SAY WHAT?!?! > http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-07-01-oconnor-analysis_x.htm News analysis by Chuck Raasch, Gannett News Service WASHINGTON — Sandra Day O'Connor's somewhat surprising resignation is a potential political windfall for George W. Bush and his legacy. A vacancy has long been anticipated on the Supreme Court but from the retirement of Chief Justice William Rehnquist, who is 80 and has thyroid cancer. O'Connor's resignation now means Bush very well could have at least two appointments to the high court before the president's term ends in 2009. O'Connor's replacement is potentially more contentious than Rehnquist's. While Rehnquist often sides with staunch conservatives Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia, O'Connor has long been regarded as a swing vote in a court that often seems as divided as the country. At the White House on Friday, Bush laid down a marker in what already is shaping up as a contentious and potentially drawn-out fight with Democrats over O'Connor's successor. Bush's political opponents have threatened to filibuster a nominee they consider too conservative. "The nation ... deserves a dignified process of confirmation in the United States Senate, characterized by fair treatment, a fair hearing and a fair vote," Bush said, in a short Rose Garden speech lauding O'Connor's service. He promised that O'Connor's replacement would be at the court by the time its next session opens in October. But judging from the rhetoric of the interest groups that erupted almost immediately after O'Connor's decision was made known, that is no surefire prediction. Clear lines already have been drawn in the sand over anticipation of Rehnquist's leaving. Now that the potential for multiple nominee fights exists in the near term, both sides of the ideological divide fired multiple warning shots. Republican National Chairman Ken Mehlman urged Democrats in the Senate to "look beyond the inevitable protest from far-left special groups and approach any nominee with the unbiased evaluation they deserve." From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 17:10:40 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Jul 1 16:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Boycott the loon References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:da46o2$mhm$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I see Brooke Sheilds is weighing in with some choice comments on him now > too. This could get interesting, unless he drops the whole matter of course. > As well she should! He's never even been a father, much less a mother, so he's entirely unqualified to speak about it at all, no matter how much he thinks he knows. Psychology isn't a psuedo sciense as much as Scientology is a pseudo religion. If there was anyone sorely in need of some drugs and an intervention, it's Tom Cruise. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 14:13:30 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 16:15:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hey D-LO References: Message-ID: "Neil" wrote in message news:da3cqm$73i$1@news.spamcop.net... > There is the facility to transfer to VCR, and you could always then transfer > to DVD. I think you're making the point that VCRs have the advantage of > being able to play the recording in other players which is of course the > limitation of a DVR where the recording sits on a fixed hard disk in the > box. Despite this, I haven't once wished I could take the recording and > play it elsewhere. Truly, I don't miss VCRs at all. > ah, mine is also a DVD recorder so I can put stuff onto DVD off of the hard drive which I do from time to time to send to people or to keep things for myself From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 14:19:29 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 16:20:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hey D-LO References: Message-ID: "Neil" wrote in message news:da3phs$epn$1@news.spamcop.net... > I assumed the Scientific Atlanta DVR box that I have records to a hard > drive, but as its fixed and not accessible (without removing the cover and I > have no need to do so) it could just as easily be DVD-RAM. Either way "ah > jus' lurve mah DVR". How many hours of TV can it record? If it's more than about 8 then it's a hard drive. As far as i'm aware, you can buy ones that are just hard drives, ones that are just DVD-Ram and ones like mine which do both. I can record about 110 hours on SP which isn't the highest resolution you can have but it's good enough. When I dub to a DVD, one can hold 2 hours of SP recorded TV. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 17:18:34 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Jul 1 16:20:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns96869BC9DF954TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > I'm sorry, but you're not thinking logically. Did I say that everyone who > drives an SUV is an asshole? Not "everyone", but "percentage-wise, there are more asshole SUV drivers than small car drivers" is still assuming a lot. Well, then why are you going off on that? > You are being hypersensitive on the issue. > Someone who elects to drive an SUV has a different mindset from someone who > elects to drive a small car. Not everyone does, and that's where your "everyone" comes in. I don't have a different mindset, I have a need for 4wd and room for two large dogs and all they carry with them. That does not mean I drive recklessly, aggressively, cause accidents or carreen around smashing up other people's cars. There are a lot of asshole SUV drivers, mostly male, who drive their cars like they are battering rams, I suspect it's them you don't like. Fine, whatever, some RIDICULOUSLY SMALL > PERCENTAGE of those driving SUVs actually need to - that's you :) - and the > rest like the feelings of POWER, of CONTROL, whatever, that come from > driving in such a monstrously huge and imposing piece of metal. How about safety and security? If I had a choice of going 70 on the interestate in an SUV or a small car, surrounded by 18 wheelers going 85, I would NOT choose anything small. Even in the Trailblazer I felt small getting blown around by the draft, I don't know how the small cars stayed on the road. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 14:21:58 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 16:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hey D-LO References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:da3q6q$f8a$1@news.spamcop.net... > Psssttt....what do you think is storing all that video in the DVR? Try to > find a DVR *without* a hard drive....... > > And you can burn DVD's two ways: hook up output from DVR to a PC or laptop > that has a DVD burner, or buy a DVR that comes with a DVD burner. Not sure > if you can burn premium channel movies and shows though.....may have some > kind of copyright protection in those signals that prevents the burner from > working. I believe I did that when I had HBO. In fact I put all of season 5 of Sex and the City onto DVD so that at least wasn't protected in any way. I'm pretty sure I recorded a movie too but I forget which it was now. I didn't try burning it directly to the DVD however; it was recorded to the hard drive first then dubbed to DVD. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 14:22:28 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 16:25:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hey D-LO References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:da3v1i$hpo$2@news.spamcop.net... > A lot of the DVRs have been reverse engineered too. If you don't mind > cracking open the cover and probably voiding your warranty, you can pull > out the hard drive and access the files directly. and why would you want to do that? From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 17:22:08 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Jul 1 16:25:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:da47jc$n77$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Ah but in my experience, it's the SUV drivers (large SUVs mind, things like > Excursion/Navigator driven by people incapable of handling them) who have > hit my car on previous occasions (damage was too high up to have been done > by a car) and they're the ones least likely to see it because it's small. > Could have been a delivery van I guess. Could have been a lot of things, including some gigantic old piece of shit car or pickup whose owners had nothing to lose by taking off your bumper. Disgusting though, that people would do that and drive away. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 17:24:16 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Jul 1 16:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: IE Spyad References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:da45cr$lo0$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I ain't one of them, the ick factor is too much for me......my terlets are > kept spotless. Body hair on the floor is a different issue..... How *much* body hair.....? Talk about ICK factor....... From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 14:29:12 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 16:30:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ok, this is sick...... References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d9he34$f6n$1@news.spamcop.net... > Erm.....given everything that's been coming out about Scientology with him > and Katie Holmes, I might have been worried about being that close to > him.....here are a few I heard things on the radio yesterday from some 400 > long questionnaire you have to take to join that nutty alien nation > .....they read more on the show too, these questions are insane..... What, like his affliction will transfer itself to me by osmosis or something? > 3. Have you ever killed the wrong person? The WRONG person?! How would they define who the right person was? As I had long suspected, they're a bunch of crackpots. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 14:31:32 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 16:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ok, this is sick...... References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:d9h8o3$anf$1@news.spamcop.net... > I'd like to shake HIM - did you happen to catch his appearance on Today this morning? > What an ASS, suddenly he's an expert on drugs and psychiatric medicine, and of course > how there is no place for them in the world, no child should be on ritalin and no one > should ever take antidepressants. I think someone needs to schedule an > intervention....he has gone totally round the bend, not to mention become bloody > obnoxious. Actually I did, which is unusual because I'm not generally in front of a TV when Today is on. I think I was in the laundry room at the time and was just dumbfounded by what he was saying. He's in danger of sidelining himself. Actors ought to stick to what they do best and not spout on about stuff they don't really have much expertise in. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 14:34:54 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 16:35:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hard day at work... References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d9egub$q3l$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Spamvireslayer wrote: > > OH, so you've got a granny fetish....... > > As long as they don't have cellulite ;-) ROFL. Or wrinkles, presumably. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 14:38:19 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 16:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ping JohnL References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:d9chr1$miu$1@news.spamcop.net... > Do they know it was from those, or could it have been ingested in the form of tuna? > Most pregnant people shouldn't eat tuna at all, too dangerous now. That's just so sad. I wonder what this world will be like in 100 years. So poisoned perhaps that we've begun to die off too. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 14:44:48 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 16:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: hoo hooo.. just had a small quake References: Message-ID: "Redstone" wrote in message news:Xns967C1613F856Ctinlc@216.154.195.61... > "Spamvireslayer" wrote in > news:d96htj$acl$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > > > > You'll be asleep till you wake up with the ceiling on your > > face........ > > > > > > > Hopefully I'll be awake if and when that does occur. you will be afterwards if you weren't during LOL.. assuming you survive it of course! From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 14:45:30 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 16:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Wow...Patriot Act gets restricted References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:d9h0tg$5h9$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > news:d9fj2m$eee$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > Are you an asshole for the sake of it? > > Is that a rhetorical question? Pretty much. I don't think any of us have too much doubt! From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 14:53:21 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 16:55:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Runaway Bride has a price References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:d97205$k2l$1@news.spamcop.net... > > How did they hold you down? > > I screamed alot......had at least 6-7 fillings by the time I was 14...... I'm wondering now how many of them weren't even necessary! From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 14:54:48 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 16:55:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Runaway Bride has a price References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:d9ef6v$p2q$1@news.spamcop.net... > How about that slow speed drill that just bumps along and grinds...sends me RIGHT off > the deep end, even when I can't feel the pain, I can't stand that thing in my moth. I'm ROFL here. no need to even say why methinks From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 14:58:08 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 17:00:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Runaway Bride has a price References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns967BC3AF72CTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > One of my teeth is growing inside of my jaw. How would you propose to > extract it? It involves, or so I understand things, cutting a big hole in > the jaw and then cutting the tooth into little bits and extracting it. As > I see it on the x-rays, there won't be much of a jaw left at the point of > extraction if any. all of this leads me to wonder why the tooth needs to come out at all? is it likely to eventually break your jaw by itself? were you having pain which led to you going to the dentist in the first place? From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Fri Jul 1 18:00:56 2005 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Fri Jul 1 17:05:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Boycott the loon References: Message-ID: In article , Don Wannit wrote: > So far GWB has managed to avoid invading Russia, but it's not at all > clear that he will be able to control himself, or the advisors he > surrounds himself with. Surely even the Shrub administration can't be stupid enough to fight a land was with Russia. Everybody who's tried has been utterly routed. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Fri Jul 1 18:06:43 2005 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Fri Jul 1 17:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Boycott the loon References: Message-ID: In article , "Mr K. Mean" wrote: > Besides, the price of gas in the US doesn't really reflect the true > costs of it. The production is very heavily subsidized. You know, if I > walk down the street, I see it selling for like 86 pence per liter. If > you try to calculate that and put it in terms of dollars per gallon, the > huge numbers are really going to hurt. If my math is right, $5.75/gal. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Fri Jul 1 18:13:03 2005 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Fri Jul 1 17:15:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: In article , "Miss Betsy" wrote: > Nevertheless, reasoning that we have killed 'more' is not a very > good reason to be against the US in Iraq. Being killed for what > one believes in does not ask for sympathy and numbers do not > matter. 'Doing what is right' is often a sacrifice, and sometimes > results in death at the hands of those who disagree. > > The argument /should/ be against why it is not /right/ for the US > to be in Iraq. Those who argued against it the invasion lost. > They may still consider the invasion to be 'wrong' but there is no > correcting that decision. The arguments are about what is 'right' > *now* for the US to do. > > Even for a pacifist argument, making a decision based on how many > would die is not 'right' - the only time a decision could be made > on how many would die is for the people who are dying to decide. > The famous argument is from the Bible - let one man die. Did you read the column? Her reasons for opposing for the war had little to do with the number of Iraqi civilian war dead, and she explained them in her piece. As usual, our resident lying wingnut seized one line out of it to twist and distort. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From heybub at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 17:18:09 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Fri Jul 1 17:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Drugs from Canada - not anymore References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > Abby Ottenhoff, a spokeswoman for Illinois' pro-import Democratic > governor, Rod Blagojevich, told HealthDay last fall, "It's a > well-known fact that the pharmaceutical industry is trying to shut > down supply to Canadian pharmacies that are serving American > citizens." Of course. Drugs shipped to Canada are ostensibly for Canadians. This is a balance-of-terror situation. US pharmas COULD charge Canadians US prices. If they did, Canada would retaliate by refusing to recognize US patents and license proprietary drug manufacture to domestic companies. The US government, in turn, would retailiate with trade sanctions for Canada's refusal to adhere to international treaties on intellectual property. Canada would then escalate the controversy by holding its breath until it turned blue. The US would then accept for statehood the western provinces, Quebec would do whatever the French word for secede is, and the eastern provinces would fish. Drugs are (slightly) more expensive in the US because they are cheaper in Canada. We are, in effect, subdizing an health-care system that's dismal in spite of our largess. From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Fri Jul 1 18:18:31 2005 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Fri Jul 1 17:20:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: In article , "HeyBub" wrote: > The point is this: Saddam killed hundreds of thousands (perhaps as many as a > million). We've killed only those that needed killing plus some > (regrettable) collateral damage - some few thousands. Tops. "I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed. But I do say no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops. Uh, depending on the breaks." -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From pete+usenet at heypete.com Fri Jul 1 15:19:13 2005 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Fri Jul 1 17:20:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: eminent domain this is priceless References: Message-ID: In article , "Heidi" wrote: > "Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected as as outraged as > those who are."--Benjamin Franklin Indeed. I wish there was some way of going back to ~1776, and being able to meet Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, and all the other Founding Fathers of this country. Their words, spoken nearly 230 years ago, still ring true today with a clarity that modern writers and speakers have been unable to match. -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From heybub at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 17:23:16 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Fri Jul 1 17:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > "HeyBub" wrote in message > news:da2epv$mos$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Frog Prince wrote: >> >> The point is this: Saddam killed hundreds of thousands (perhaps as >> many as a million). We've killed only those that needed killing plus >> some (regrettable) collateral damage - some few thousands. Tops. > > And how do you know he didn't *only* kill those that *needed* > killing???......... Did you cjeck all their names and addresses?? > >> >> To assert, in print, that we've killed more Iraqis than Saddam is >> off the chart. >> >> As to your question: We may end up killing more than Saddam - more >> or less is not the test. Our goal is to kill only as many as need >> killing. Not one more! > > Maybe that was his goal too......?? > >> >> Of late we haven't been killing many Iraqis; the recent dead have >> been from other places. >> > > ??????? Mars?? Mostly Saudi Arabia. A smattering from Lybia, Sudan, Syria and sundry other places. Even some from the UK! From heybub at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 17:26:49 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Fri Jul 1 17:30:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > "David Dean" wrote in message > news:ozchzhq02-D72D20.09323401072005@frylock.local... >> In article , >> "Frog Prince" wrote: >> > >> >> Most people think that a court of law is the place where one would >> fairly determine guilt. In the heat of battle, need is relative. > > I want your oil, so you need to die! Oil is common reason to invade. It was the motivating force behind Japan's attack on the US. Hitler invaded Russia for oil. Saddam invaded Kuwait for oil. Of the several historical reasons for invading a country, desire for oil is a fairly common one. Actually, it's a better reason than some. From heybub at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 17:31:35 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Fri Jul 1 17:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Boycott the loon References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > In article , > Don Wannit wrote: > >> So far GWB has managed to avoid invading Russia, but it's not at all >> clear that he will be able to control himself, or the advisors he >> surrounds himself with. > > Surely even the Shrub administration can't be stupid enough to fight a > land was with Russia. Everybody who's tried has been utterly routed. Yep. The US invaded Russia once before (1918-1920). From heybub at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 17:34:44 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Fri Jul 1 17:35:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Boycott the loon References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > http://www.zap2it.com/movies/news/story/0,1259,---26145,00.html > LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) - Some concerned citizens have drawn up a > petition to urge the moviegoing public to boycott Tom Cruise's "War > of the Worlds," which opens Wednesday, June 29. > The petition -- found at www.petitiononline.com/Tomkat -- is a letter > written to director Steven Spielberg listing reasons, based on > Cruise's "abhorrent behavior," that the undersigned refuse to spend > ten bucks to see the sci fi film. > > "We will not be spending our good money to support the ridiculous and > potentially dangerous antics of this raving narcissist," the missive > begins. Religious discrimination. Pure and simple. From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jul 2 00:52:27 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Fri Jul 1 18:55:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hey D-LO References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:da45gl$lol$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Porpoise wrote: >> >> And there are umpteen others. You don't really get into the ones with >> HDD until you're into the "over two hundred pound" bracket. > > Yeahbutt.....those aren't the boxen you get when you get a DVR from > Comcast > or DirecTV....... Who mentioned anything about Comcast or DirecTV (whoever they are)? I thought we were talking about digital recorders....... From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 19:53:46 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Jul 1 19:00:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9686A8C922699TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Spamvireslayer" ! > > > Not everyone does, and that's where your "everyone" comes in. > > Creative editing doesn't make it any more true that I wrote everyone. Except that I quoted you.... > > > That does not mean I drive recklessly, aggressively, cause accidents or > > carreen around smashing up other people's cars. > > I never said that you did. Whatever. How do you define asshole SUV drivers , "and the rest like the feelings of POWER, of CONTROL, whatever, that come from driving in such a monstrously huge and imposing piece of metal." If they're just "feelings", what the hell do you care? Presumably you care because in addition to their "feelings of power and control" they drive aggressively, cause accidents, and smash little Miatas without looking back. HMMM???? > Safety and security? In an SUV? Hardly. > Are you now going to say that in an accident with a big truck a VW Beetle will be safer than a big SUV? That's nonsense, and you know it. From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jul 2 00:56:45 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Fri Jul 1 19:00:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hey D-LO References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:da47pn$nf1$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Frog Prince" wrote in message > news:da3bpj$6ie$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Can the recording be made/transferred to a DVD? > > Yes. > >>Can DVD's be duplicated? > > No. Why not? Mine can..... (Or did you mean manufactured pre-recorded Hollywood shyster regionalised DVDs that enable them to shaft us by charging double what we would have to pay for them elsewhere?) What happened to the free market economy that the Yanks are supposed to stand for? From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Jul 1 17:15:28 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Jul 1 19:20:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hey D-LO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:da1rnb$c9r$3@news.spamcop.net... > >>Sylvesterthekat wrote: >> >>>"Borgholio" wrote in message >>>news:d9s8i2$5hr$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> > I, for one, am glad it's leased. When I first signed up with the > > cable > >>>>service, they had unknowingly shipped out a large number of defective / >>>>incompatible cable modems. Took them over a month to find the problem > > and > >>>>send me a reliable replacement. Had I not leased the modem, I'd have to >>>>purchase a new one. >>> >>> >>>You certainly wouldn't! It was their fault and they'd have to make it > > right > >>>at their cost. >>> >>> >> >>You really think the cable company would reimburse me for a modem that I >>purchased from another company and was not part of the cable plan? > > > that's not what you said though... you said you'd got one of theirs so them > sending out the wrong one would have been irrelevant if you'd purchased one > (elsewhere) which presumably wouldn't have been a defective one. Now if > you'd purchased it from THEM, they'd still have to replace it because it was > defective. > > No, I said that had I purchased the modem from a 3rd party (Fry's Electronics) I'd be screwed. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 20:24:24 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Jul 1 19:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9686C27FB6CCFTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > You edited what I wrote to make it appear to say what you wanted it to say. > That does not mean, in the slightest, that I wrote anything of the sort. > But your future in journalism is assured. I quoted an entire sentence, which stands by itself in its meaning. But if you want to nitpick, I'll quote you entirely: "You like to think that because you drive an SUV. But, percentage-wise, there are more asshole SUV drivers than small car drivers. Hmm. And aren't there more SUVs on the road than small cars? Well, that means that there are more asshole SUV drivers period." So I'm not one, but you're saying there are MORE assholes who drive SUVs because there are more SUVs, therefore you seem to believe that everyone who drives those SUVs, except me and a small percentage of others, is an asshole. And that they all have a particular mindset, "Fine, whatever, some RIDICULOUSLY SMALL PERCENTAGE of those driving SUVs actually need to - that's you :) - and the rest like the feelings of POWER, of CONTROL, whatever, that come from driving in such a monstrously huge and imposing piece of metal." But you didn't answer the question I asked which was: "If they're just "feelings", what the hell do you care? Presumably you care because in addition to their "feelings of power and control" they drive aggressively, cause accidents, and smash little Miatas without looking back. HMMM????" So, golly, you're sticking to a particular type of accident and you don't > care about what happens to most? Right, of course not. Because most are > assholes and you're not one you wouldn't get in the same kind of accident > that most get in. Um. SUVs are fundamentally unsafe. And yet people > "feel" safer in them. Like feeling safe changes anything. You're more likely to get killed by being hit by something sixteen times your size than you are by something one and a half times your size. Size does matter, that's why people want bigger cars. Why not out of fairness, choose accidents that aren't caused by assholes, why not choose an accident where the SUV drivers are the victims and not the causes? From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 17:41:41 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 19:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9686997901B8TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > You like to think that because you drive an SUV. But, percentage-wise, > there are more asshole SUV drivers than small car drivers. Hmm. And > aren't there more SUVs on the road than small cars? Well, that means that > there are more asshole SUV drivers period. Oh I don't know about that. My observation is merely that of physical reality. If you're in a big SUV, you're less likely to see a small Miata. If you also happen to be a somewhat incompetent driver, you're also going to be more likely to hit that small Miata because a) you didn't see it and b) you're less able to accurately maneuver a large SUV than you would a smaller more agile car (which would be more forgiving of your lack of skill). From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 17:43:22 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 19:45:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "Canopus" wrote in message news:da426t$jpn$1@news.spamcop.net... > There has recently been UK citizens living in the UK that the US have > demanded be extradited to the US to stand trial on various charges > without the US government giving the UK government any proof or > documentation of evidence against them. The reasoning is that if the > US government demands a country hand over a citizen to them to stand > trial then there must be a good reason because it's the US government > demanding it. I hope the British response was as it should have been. What responsible country, after all, would send its citizens possibly into the black hole of Guantanamo Bay knowing full well that there's no such thing as justice going on there? From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 20:00:16 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Fri Jul 1 19:55:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-43DD24.17130301072005@news.cesmail.net... > Did you read the column? Her reasons for opposing for the war had little > to do with the number of Iraqi civilian war dead, and she explained them > in her piece. As usual, our resident lying wingnut seized one line out > of it to twist and distort. No, I didn't read the column. My first reaction was that the objection to that line was just as stupid as using that reason against the war. When I thought about it, though, it developed into an interesting, to me anyway, line of thought - which was a little OT, but not that far off. Miss Betsy From jwjr at poSPAMSUCKSbox.com Fri Jul 1 21:03:22 2005 From: jwjr at poSPAMSUCKSbox.com (J. Weaver Jr.) Date: Fri Jul 1 20:05:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: HeyBub wrote: > We've killed only those that needed killing And exactly how many thousands had to die for _you_ to be left in charge of that decision? Joel: "And what do _you_ want for Christmas, Crow?" Crow: "I want to decide who lives and who dies!" -JW From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 20:14:19 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Fri Jul 1 20:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-FE9131.09361401072005@frylock.local... > In article , > "Miss Betsy" wrote: > > > They may still consider the invasion to be 'wrong' but there is no > > correcting that decision. > > There is no reversing that decision, but it can be corrected. Doing > the right thing now can make corrections for mistakes in the past. Sadly > doing the right thing now means rebuilding the place we beat the snot > out of for the wrong reasons. We don't have to do it ourselves, but we > should be paying for it. Think Japan and Germany after WWII. IMHO, there is no 'correction' other than reversal. However, the 'right' thing to do now is to rebuild. Of course, the headlines are about the continued violence, but there are efforts to rebuild. I don't know how accurate these statistics are, but I do know that an Air Force major made some of these points in speech he gave to a group in the town I live in a year ago. "Did you know there are more than 1100 building projects going on in Iraq? They include 301 schools, 67 public clinics, 15 hospitals, 83 railroad stations, 22 oil facilities, 93 water facilities and 69 electrical facilities. Did you know 96% of Iraqi children under the age of 5 have received the first 2 series of polio vaccinations? Did you know 4.3 million Iraqi children were enrolled in primary school by mid October? Did you know there are 1,192,000 cell phone subscribers in Iraq and phone use has gone up 158%?" I also know that the soldiers from this area are very moved by the plight of the children, not only in Iraq, but also Bosnia and Afghanistan. Thousands of items have been sent by their families and churches in response to pleas from the soldiers to send items to give to the children. Not a political statement, but straight from the heart. Miss Betsy From eponym at I.hate.spam.com Fri Jul 1 21:33:58 2005 From: eponym at I.hate.spam.com (Eponym) Date: Fri Jul 1 20:35:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-481742.20235501072005@frylock.local... > > Rebuilding can be done without using US military. We /could/ say to > the UN, "We screwed up. Please help us." And we could pay for the > rebuilding and have the blue helmets and NGOs doing what our military is > doing. The violence would be lighter, the international community > wouldn't hate us as much and we wouldn't have to keep rebuilding after > the sabotage. > You're assuming the UN would get involved. Remember, their NGO types left once already after getting bombed. They didn't even have any forces there for the Iraqis to get upset about. Given the current unrest, I doubt any nation would contribute forces for fear of casualities. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 18:37:01 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 20:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9686C986ABB71TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No, again, you are trying to put words in my mouth that I never uttered. > Why the hostility? Yeah, yeah, obviously the hostility is there > because (and I'll actually say it this time) EVERYONE DESPISES PEOPLE > WHO DRIVE SUVs (please, pay careful attention to the syntax used here > and to the very specific meaning which has nothing to do with our > previous discussion - other than being, perhaps, the reason for which > you have such a chip on your shoulder). Perhaps you should amend that to 'everyone who doesn't drive one despises people who drive SUVs'. But I only despise those SUV drivers who drive excessively large SUVs, who drive them incompetently and/or who do not actually need anything larger than a regular car. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 18:37:28 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 20:40:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9686C9B7EE144TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Sylvesterthekat" ! > > "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message > > news:Xns9686997901B8TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > > >> Well, that means that there are more asshole SUV drivers > > > > Oh I don't know about that. > > Well, thankfully, that's why I'm here :) LOL, what, to make sweeping statements that cannot possibly be proven? From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 18:42:52 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 20:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Troops not impressed? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:da4748$mvc$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Indeed. Indi obviously left his skeptics hat at home and forgot who's > > been lying to us (outright and by omission) so much in recent times. > > Oh come on...do you really believe US troops rampaged through an Iraqi > hospital, killing patients and doctors? Well I don't know. I'd suggest that it's possible and not totally beyond the realms of imagination. I would hope that it's not true. I certainly wouldn't write it off without a second thought, nor just blindly accept it as truth either. There is propaganda on both sides, after all. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 18:43:44 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 20:45:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pretty cool capsize and recovery References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:da475u$mvl$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > "Frog Prince" wrote in message > > news:da1v3m$eav$2@news.spamcop.net... > > > In south Louisiana sever years back there was a wash out (in) at > > a salt > > > dome. A tow boat and 5 barges were sucked down into the hole. > > > Boat and three barges came up a bit later. Never did see the other > > > two barges. > > > > what the hell is a salt dome? what hole? > > A big pocket of salt that gets dissolved by groundwater, leaving a huge > sinkhole. But... why were boats there? Does this thing form underwater or something? I'm most intrigued LOL From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 18:45:27 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 20:50:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9686A314DDD37TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Oh, puhleeze! It's obvious that you just drove it into a brick wall! Um, > wait, sorry. Yeah. Ouch. Bummer. LOL. Had I done that, the damage would have been at the front rather than the side and from above. As I got rid of most of the other car's paint marks, it's less obvious. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 18:49:52 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 20:50:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:da47sv$nfi$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "indigo" wrote in message news:da45hi$lp0$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > SAY WHAT?!?! > > > http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-07-01-oconnor-analysis_x.htm > News analysis by Chuck Raasch, Gannett News Service > WASHINGTON - Sandra Day O'Connor's somewhat surprising resignation is a potential > political windfall for George W. Bush and his legacy. Or a big trap waiting to happen. If he nominates Alberto Gonzales we could be in for some very interesting times indeed. It seems to me strange that the President should be the one to decide such important appointees. I know they have to be approved but I think it would surely be a better and more balanced process for it to be completely out of the President's partisan hands and solely a decision of Congress or Senate or perhaps even of all Supreme Court justices around the country. The most interesting thing could be the revelation of Bush's true stance on certain issues. For instance does he TRULY want abortion to be made illegal, with all the ramifications that could bring about? From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 18:50:47 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 20:55:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Boycott the loon References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:da481t$ni2$1@news.spamcop.net... > Psychology isn't a psuedo sciense as much as Scientology is a pseudo religion. Excellent observation there! From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 18:53:38 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 20:55:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:da48gn$nr8$1@news.spamcop.net... > How about safety and security? If I had a choice of going 70 on the interestate in > an SUV or a small car, surrounded by 18 wheelers going 85, I would NOT choose > anything small. Even in the Trailblazer I felt small getting blown around by the > draft, I don't know how the small cars stayed on the road. Someone like Indi may be able to shed more light on this but smaller cars are less susceptible to side winds than SUVs are. You probably stand no more chance in your SUV against an 18 wheeler than i would in my Miata. Out of the SUV or the Miata I'd choose the Porsche 911 LOL (faster, better brakes, better build quality, better agility). From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 18:55:58 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 21:00:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:da48nd$nt8$1@news.spamcop.net... > Could have been a lot of things, including some gigantic old piece of shit car or > pickup whose owners had nothing to lose by taking off your bumper. Disgusting > though, that people would do that and drive away. Yep, could possibly have been those. I've been dented by one of those big old behemoths before now. They still survive here in some numbers due to the lack of destructive rusting. However, the paint deposited would indicate that it was something large (high off the ground) and with painted bumpers. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 18:56:33 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 21:00:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: IE Spyad References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:da48rd$o3d$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "indigo" wrote in message news:da45cr$lo0$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > I ain't one of them, the ick factor is too much for me......my terlets are > > kept spotless. Body hair on the floor is a different issue..... > > How *much* body hair.....? Talk about ICK factor....... > let's just say he doesn't need any carpets as the floor has a nice carpet of short and curlies LOL From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 18:57:32 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 21:00:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Runaway Bride has a price References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9686AD02AB47FTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > It's out! Anyway, it had to some out because its crown came to just above > the gum line - mashed up against another tooth. Thus there was a large > surface of tooth that I couldn't clean and that eventually would have > rotted 2 teeth which would have had to have been extracted as opposed to > only 1. Simple enough. Er, right? Ahh gotcha. Yes, that explains the necessity! From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 18:58:36 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 21:00:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Boycott the loon References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-E39838.17005601072005@news.cesmail.net... > In article , > Don Wannit wrote: > > > So far GWB has managed to avoid invading Russia, but it's not at all > > clear that he will be able to control himself, or the advisors he > > surrounds himself with. > > Surely even the Shrub administration can't be stupid enough to fight a > land was with Russia. Everybody who's tried has been utterly routed. Shrub, not stupid enough? LOL Maybe not. But is he stupid enough to start a nuclear war, or threaten one? From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 19:00:10 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 21:05:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Boycott the loon References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-9630AE.17064301072005@news.cesmail.net... > In article , > "Mr K. Mean" wrote: > > > Besides, the price of gas in the US doesn't really reflect the true > > costs of it. The production is very heavily subsidized. You know, if I > > walk down the street, I see it selling for like 86 pence per liter. If > > you try to calculate that and put it in terms of dollars per gallon, the > > huge numbers are really going to hurt. > > If my math is right, $5.75/gal. Sounds about right. I think the exchange rate is around 1.85 at the moment but it fluctuates daily. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 19:03:29 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 21:05:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hey D-LO References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" wrote in message news:da4hh6$uhs$1@news.spamcop.net... > Who mentioned anything about Comcast or DirecTV (whoever they are)? I > thought we were talking about digital recorders....... That's what initially sparked the question of his DVR. Cable companies here bribe you to join them with the offer of a free DVR. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 22:03:33 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Jul 1 21:10:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9686C986ABB71TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Again, out of context, if you don't include the part where I wrote that > you were different. And, by golly, you didn't. Isn't that strange? > Creative editing used twice to make the same point. I got your point > the first time - the point that you didn't want to listen to my > arguments because you feel that you are a target of them. Hey, > whatever. It's not about me. I never said that YOU said I was one of "them" - I'm not an asshole SUV driver, we both agree on that, so I'm not part of the discussion, I'm not offended. What offends me is your assumption that everyone BUT me (and a small percentage of other people) who drives an SUV drives like an asshole, enjoying their feelings of "POWER" and "CONTROL". Well, so WHAT? What's your point? > > No, again, you are trying to put words in my mouth that I never uttered. > Why the hostility? Yeah, yeah, obviously the hostility is there > because (and I'll actually say it this time) EVERYONE DESPISES PEOPLE > WHO DRIVE SUVs (please, pay careful attention to the syntax used here > and to the very specific meaning which has nothing to do with our > previous discussion - other than being, perhaps, the reason for which > you have such a chip on your shoulder). Oh puhleeze, cut the crap, I don't have a chip on my shoulder, and I'm not hostile. You're making grand assumptions about people who drive certain kinds of cars, because you hate SUVs, and it's total bullshit to assume everyone is the same. That's the chip on YOUR shoulder, not mine. > > > "If they're just "feelings", what the hell do you care? Presumably you > > care because in addition to their "feelings of power and control" they > > drive aggressively, cause accidents, and smash little Miatas without > > looking back. HMMM????" > > Spare me. Obviously people who have their feelings of power and control > drive like assholes. There isn't any need to answer this question - > it's covered by very basic human nature. Oh I see, so you were just excluding ME from that group. Well thank goodness. So, do you have proof of this? You really think someone in a big car is going to purposely drive aggressively and dangerously with their feelings of POWER and CONTROL and risk intentionally injuring people (and these people are all men, by the way, if we're going to make assumptions, let's go all the way)? Or maybe just SOME people, probably the same number and same kind of assholes who drive fast sportscars and weave in and out of traffic at speeds well over the limit. > > While part of what you write MAY be correct, in general you have the > same erroneous impression of SUVs that MOST SUV drivers have - that they > are safe. They are not safe. They are safer by virtue of their size. They have inherent risks just like soft top convertibles have inherent risks, but driven appropriately they are no less safe than any other car. Driven at speed while turning they roll over. Most people don't drive that way. Driven like a weapon is a whole different story, and that's true of ANY car. > > > > Why not out of fairness, choose accidents that aren't caused by > > assholes, why not choose an accident where the SUV drivers are the > > victims and not the causes? > > Spare me your BS rhetoric and actually look up the figures, why don't > you? Nuh uh. You didn't like my chosen kind of accident, tough noogies, that was my example. My examples were a VW Beetle and a Trailblazer geting hit by a big truck, which are in crash tests anyway, virtually identical in their safety. Crash tests don't include being smashed by moving 18 wheeler. > > And counter industry research, will you? Or, maybe you could just try. 'Kay. "A newly released study by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety shows that when a car is hit by a light truck or SUV, the car is the loser. But IIHS spokesmen told the Washington Post that the report is meant to bring perspective to the car/light truck crash debate. The study shows that passengers in cars are four times more likely to die than those in pickup or sports utility vehicles." > Here's a nice quote: > "The truth, underneath all the rationalizations, seemed to be that S.U.V. > buyers thought of big, heavy vehicles as safe: they found comfort in > being surrounded by so much rubber and steel. To the engineers, of > course, that didn't make any sense, either: if consumers really wanted > something that was big and heavy and comforting, they ought to buy > minivans, since minivans, with their unit-body construction, do much > better in accidents than S.U.V.s. (In a thirty-five-m.p.h. crash test, > for instance, the driver of a Cadillac Escalade--the G.M. counterpart to > the Lincoln Navigator--has a sixteen-per-cent chance of a life- > threatening head injury, a twenty-per-cent chance of a life-threatening > chest injury, and a thirty-five-per-cent chance of a leg injury. The same > numbers in a Ford Windstar minivan--a vehicle engineered from the ground > up, as opposed to simply being bolted onto a pickup-truck frame--are, > respectively, two per cent, four per cent, and one per cent.)" Nice quote from where, and by whom, and in what context? From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 19:05:34 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 21:10:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hey D-LO References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" wrote in message news:da4hp9$us2$1@news.spamcop.net... > Why not? Mine can..... (Or did you mean manufactured pre-recorded Hollywood > shyster regionalised DVDs that enable them to shaft us by charging double > what we would have to pay for them elsewhere?) What happened to the free > market economy that the Yanks are supposed to stand for? Yes, I was referring to shop-bought DVDs that have protection on them. Although I've never tried putting a home-recorded DVD in there and dubbing it to the HDD so I don't know if that works or not. Besides which, movies on DVD are usually dual layered and compacted so they wouldn't even fit on a regular DVD-R. However you can do it with a PC using ripping software and compacting programs. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 19:07:52 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Fri Jul 1 21:10:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hey D-LO References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:da4iq6$va7$1@news.spamcop.net... > No, I said that had I purchased the modem from a 3rd party (Fry's > Electronics) I'd be screwed. Why, what would have been wrong with the 3rd party modem? Or are you saying it would be incompatible for some reason? In that case it would have been your fault for not finding out about compatibility in the first place! Besides which, you've not been able to actually buy modems until fairly recently except from your provider. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 22:10:46 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Jul 1 21:15:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pretty cool capsize and recovery References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:da4o01$2dn$1@news.spamcop.net... > But... why were boats there? Does this thing form underwater or something? > I'm most intrigued LOL Maybe this one? http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/03/980325075307.htm From johnl at spamcop.net Sat Jul 2 02:15:04 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Fri Jul 1 21:20:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote in news:ozchzhq02- AEAF65.21083001072005@frylock.local: > A Jeep Wrangler is actually quite compact. It also serves very well > off road. The same cannot be said for many other SUVs. My SO brought a new Toyota 4WD pick up, off the showroom floor back in 1980, and it saved her life more than once up here in the snow and ice. Just last month we finally traded it in on a GMC Yukon. SUV's can save lives AND not "crush" the other vehicle. It all depends on how a person drives. I ALWAYS look way down the road (along with looking close by of course). That way anything that looks "hinky" can be prepared for. Big vehicle, small vehicle, you HAVE to drive defensively and safely. BTW, we didn't buy the Yukon for it's size, altho it's nice with our dogs and other things we need to carry, but for it's FOUR WHEEL traction in the winter (which up here is the majority of the year ). From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 22:13:04 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Jul 1 21:20:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ok, this is sick...... References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:da492p$o4c$1@news.spamcop.net... > > What, like his affliction will transfer itself to me by osmosis or > something? No, by brainwashing, and having a "minder" follow you around all the time... From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 22:14:46 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Jul 1 21:20:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9686CADF14E52TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > What we forget, though, is that in the TrailBlazer you're also much more > likely to hit the tractor-trailer because you can't get out of the way in > time. Which assumes you even have a CHANCE to get out of the way. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 22:15:36 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Jul 1 21:20:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9686D318641F6TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Sylvesterthekat" ! > > > Perhaps you should amend that to 'everyone who doesn't drive one > > despises people who drive SUVs'. But I only despise those SUV drivers > > who drive excessively large SUVs, who drive them incompetently and/or > > who do not actually need anything larger than a regular car. > > Spare us - obviously every SUV is excessively large. It is all subjective, > of course, and yet you, as an SUV driver, have a chip on your shoulder > against those with larger-still SUVs? And yet we, who do not drive SUVs at > all, have no such rights? Sigh. She doesn't drive an SUV. You either need more or less endocet....... From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 22:16:40 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Jul 1 21:20:15 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9686D35362376TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was Charles <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com>! > > > and yet you, as an SUV driver > > Well, sheesh, you're not even an SUV driver. What the heck is up, here? Yah see? Trying to pick a fight with some innocent British chick. Who's got the chip on his shoulder, again? From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 22:19:38 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Jul 1 21:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns9686C3D4990C4johnlspamcopnet@216.154.195.61... > It all depends on how a person drives. I ALWAYS look way down the road > (along with looking close by of course). That way anything that looks > "hinky" can be prepared for. Big vehicle, small vehicle, you HAVE to drive > defensively and safely. You can say that again - I never worry about myself or my driving, I'm always worried about some other fool who thinks he can drive fast in the snow and can't. > > BTW, we didn't buy the Yukon for it's size, altho it's nice with our dogs > and other things we need to carry, but for it's FOUR WHEEL traction in the > winter (which up here is the majority of the year ). I dunno, I think Charles may want to question you as to your real NEED.... You can get smaller SUV's, you're clearly driving a big one coz you got big balls or somethin.... From johnl at spamcop.net Sat Jul 2 02:23:40 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Fri Jul 1 21:25:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in news:da4q74$3uc$1@news.spamcop.net: > you're clearly driving a big one coz you got big > balls or somethin.... > Well, that might be true, but that doesn't come into the equation here. ;-) I drive a "Big One" because it works for me. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 22:22:35 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Jul 1 21:25:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:da4oij$2r7$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Someone like Indi may be able to shed more light on this but smaller cars > are less susceptible to side winds than SUVs are. You probably stand no more > chance in your SUV against an 18 wheeler than i would in my Miata. Out of > the SUV or the Miata I'd choose the Porsche 911 LOL (faster, better brakes, > better build quality, better agility). In the Miata you could just go UNDER the truck, problem solved... ;) From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Jul 1 22:23:26 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Fri Jul 1 21:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9686D32FD4E29TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Sylvesterthekat" ! > > LOL, what, to make sweeping statements that cannot possibly be proven? > > Hey, like, whatever :) > -- Thank you...... From johnl at spamcop.net Sat Jul 2 02:25:41 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Fri Jul 1 21:30:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote in news:ozchzhq02- B315B8.21224601072005@frylock.local: > I don't understand what your reply has to do with the statement that > I made I think this has gone _far_ beyond any statement you made. ;-) I was replying to the "discussion" that Charles and Heidi are conducting. From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Fri Jul 1 23:58:10 2005 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Fri Jul 1 23:00:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: In article , "Sylvesterthekat" wrote: > It seems to me strange that the President should be the one to decide such > important appointees. I know they have to be approved but I think it would > surely be a better and more balanced process for it to be completely out of > the President's partisan hands and solely a decision of Congress or Senate > or perhaps even of all Supreme Court justices around the country. How would either of those solutions be less partisan? Do you think the current House and/or Senate could be "fair and balanced" in choosing a justice if the selection were solely in their hands? And if by "all Supreme Court justices around the country" you mean the state supreme court, that's even worse. In a number of states, those judges are elected. It's impossible to design a process to choose judges that doesn't involve politics. > The most interesting thing could be the revelation of Bush's true stance on > certain issues. For instance does he TRULY want abortion to be made illegal, > with all the ramifications that could bring about? The Shrub would, but many Republicans who have to run for re-election would not. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From heybub at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 23:11:08 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Fri Jul 1 23:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > In article , > "Miss Betsy" wrote: > >> Nevertheless, reasoning that we have killed 'more' is not a very >> good reason to be against the US in Iraq. Being killed for what >> one believes in does not ask for sympathy and numbers do not >> matter. 'Doing what is right' is often a sacrifice, and sometimes >> results in death at the hands of those who disagree. >> >> The argument /should/ be against why it is not /right/ for the US >> to be in Iraq. Those who argued against it the invasion lost. >> They may still consider the invasion to be 'wrong' but there is no >> correcting that decision. The arguments are about what is 'right' >> *now* for the US to do. >> >> Even for a pacifist argument, making a decision based on how many >> would die is not 'right' - the only time a decision could be made >> on how many would die is for the people who are dying to decide. >> The famous argument is from the Bible - let one man die. > > Did you read the column? Her reasons for opposing for the war had > little to do with the number of Iraqi civilian war dead, and she > explained them in her piece. As usual, our resident lying wingnut > seized one line out of it to twist and distort. Okay, you make the accusation. Where did I lie? Where did I twist her words? Where did I distort? My only contribution to the post was the assertion that her statement was way overboard. Did I misapprehend her meaning? Did I exaggerate? Did I misconstrue her position? I may be wrong about the rabies; two weeks should tell. From borgholio at storymind.com Sat Jul 2 01:13:16 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sat Jul 2 03:15:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hey D-LO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:da4iq6$va7$1@news.spamcop.net... > > No, I said that had I purchased the modem from a 3rd party (Fry's > >>Electronics) I'd be screwed. > > > Why, what would have been wrong with the 3rd party modem? Or are you saying > it would be incompatible for some reason? Could very well be. >In that case it would have been > your fault for not finding out about compatibility in the first place! And I would have had to pay the price for it. By leasing the modem, I didn't have to worry about it. > Besides which, you've not been able to actually buy modems until fairly > recently except from your provider. > > Define "recently" From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Jul 2 09:47:58 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sat Jul 2 08:55:16 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns96873E61B74A9TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Then why are you getting so defensive? Of course it's about you. If I tell you you're full of shit, that makes me defensive. Hmm, don't think so. > > It doesn't matter how many times you write it - you're still distorting > the argument. On purpose. Like I care. Well, I think you were the one going off on SUV drivers, not me, I just told you that your sweeping judgments were total crap. You don't agree, you'd rather believe that everyone in an SUV has their "different mindset". Whatever. > > The interesting part of this, for me, is that you don't see that you're > distorting and being defensive. Telling you you're full of crap making unproven statements about what YOU believe SUV drivers thinkdoes not make me defensive. > > Your chip is your defensive 'tude. Go on - try and tell us you don't > have one. Arguing BULLSHIT about how safe you are against a semi. Um, > what? Uh no, see above, same thing. > > > > So, do you have proof of this? > > Of course. And, oddly, you don't have any proof against aside from your > feelings. Wow. Just like someone we know from Ohio. Mind you, I'm not > doing a good job of bringing you around because you are awfully > emotionally attached to the issue and I'm obviously pushing buttons => > you appear unable to think rationally about this. Oooh. Bad form, Charles, you should be able to discuss something without bringing the Vile Piece of Shit Troll into it. From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Jul 2 09:48:09 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sat Jul 2 08:55:22 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns96873C7D0C4CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Your entire hypothetical truck argument belies the FACT that SUVs are less > safe than sedans. You can continue, if you like, to argue that in one > hyothetical case the SUV might fare better but it won't matter a bit. "A) Crash protection in a collision: This is a function of things such as crumple zones, airbags, design characteristics, and finally, MASS. A larger vehicle will, all other things being the same, fare better in a collision....Seating height is another factor that can help you in a collision. If you're sitting up high in an SUV, you may fare better when another tall vehicle hits you. Most of the force may be directed lower, around your legs or even below. Also, truck based SUV's built on a ladder frame may have an advantage here. The frame acts as a huge side impact bar, and may prevent intrusion into the passenger compartment. A negative to the height is an increased propensity to roll over in a crash or extreme maneuever". From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Jul 2 09:48:13 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sat Jul 2 08:55:24 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns96873C297B4CBTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Heidi" ! > > > I dunno, I think Charles may want to question you > > I dunno, I think maybe Heidi is wiggin'. Hmm...was I the one who went off on S'kat for being an SUV driver? PKB, dude. From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Sat Jul 2 15:34:39 2005 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Sat Jul 2 10:35:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: hoo hooo.. just had a small quake References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in news:da4a00$ohk$1@news.spamcop.net: > > you will be afterwards if you weren't during LOL.. assuming you > survive it of course! > > > I've survived this long. :-) From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Sat Jul 2 15:39:11 2005 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Sat Jul 2 10:40:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Comprehending Engineers - Take 2 References: Message-ID: GregR wrote in news:da1btl$335$3@news.spamcop.net: > To the optimist, the glass is half full. To the pessimist, the glass is > half empty. > > To the engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be. > Redundancy can be a good thing. You never know when you may need extra capacity. :-) From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jul 2 19:18:43 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Sat Jul 2 13:20:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "Eponym" wrote in message news:da473j$mv7$1@news.spamcop.net... > "Porpoise" wrote in message > news:da456g$lhc$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> "Eponym" wrote in message >> news:da422g$jme$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> > > Yes...like it or not. The victor/stronger nation dictates terms and > decides who/what is right or wrong. Ugh! Yes! Silly me... Of course! I forgot Hitler was right when he marched into Poland and gassed the jews etc., etc. > Its been that way forever, and I doubt it will ever change. Weaker > nations can express outrage about any perceived wrong til they're blue in > the face, but if they don't have the power to enforce their sense of > morality, nothing is really going to change. That's the mind-set that is causing the problems........ > It would seem the US isn't wrong enough to justify such force...for the > majority anyway. Despite the fact that everyone is saying so. Of course, they would understand it much better in their own terms, if the rest of the world actually united together and invaded America........ From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jul 2 19:27:08 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Sat Jul 2 13:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "HeyBub" wrote in message news:da4c81$rdv$1@news.spamcop.net... > Porpoise wrote: >> >>> >>> Of late we haven't been killing many Iraqis; the recent dead have >>> been from other places. >>> >> >> ??????? Mars?? > > Mostly Saudi Arabia. A smattering from Lybia, Sudan, Syria and sundry > other places. Even some from the UK! Yeah, well, they are renowned for killing friendlies......... especially BBC reporters...... From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jul 2 19:27:57 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Sat Jul 2 13:30:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "HeyBub" wrote in message news:da4cen$rjv$1@news.spamcop.net... > Porpoise wrote: > > Oil is common reason to invade. It was the motivating force behind Japan's > attack on the US. Hitler invaded Russia for oil. Saddam invaded Kuwait for > oil. > > Of the several historical reasons for invading a country, desire for oil > is a fairly common one. Actually, it's a better reason than some. Oh well, that's alright then....... From eponym at I.hate.spam.com Sat Jul 2 14:49:20 2005 From: eponym at I.hate.spam.com (Eponym) Date: Sat Jul 2 13:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" wrote in message news:da6ibq$c7$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Ugh! Yes! Silly me... Of course! I forgot Hitler was right when he marched > into Poland and gassed the jews etc., etc. > Uh...Hitler didn't win WWII. The Allies were the victors and their sense of morality was imposed....just as I said and no different that what has happened in any other conflict with a clear victor. Nazis were tried at Nuremburg. After the Civil War in the the US, the North imposed its will and sense of morality on the South in a variety of ways. Etc etc etc throughout history. > >> It would seem the US isn't wrong enough to justify such force...for the >> majority anyway. > > Of course, they would understand it much better in their own terms, if the > rest of the world actually united together and invaded America........ > Exactly. It'd be a pretty dumb move, but if you feel that strongly about things...have at it. From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Sat Jul 2 20:25:32 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Sat Jul 2 14:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "Eponym" wrote in message news:da6k33$14u$1@news.spamcop.net... > "Porpoise" wrote in message > news:da6ibq$c7$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> Ugh! Yes! Silly me... Of course! I forgot Hitler was right when he >> marched into Poland and gassed the jews etc., etc. >> > > Uh...Hitler didn't win WWII. No but he beat the Poles, the French, the Belgians and various others - until he was shown the error of his ways. Until which time, his sense of morality was imposed................ > The Allies were the victors and their sense of morality was > imposed....just as I said and no different that what has happened in any > other conflict with a clear victor. Nazis were tried at Nuremburg. After > the Civil War in the the US, the North imposed its will and sense of > morality on the South in a variety of ways. Etc etc etc throughout > history. Yes, The majority ganged up to show him the error of his ways. I guess we can only hope that something can be done to stem the USes bloated opinion of itself in the same way....... So roll-on the clear victory...... (When the US has been put in it's place). From baloo at ursine.ca Sat Jul 2 13:28:28 2005 From: baloo at ursine.ca (Paul Johnson) Date: Sat Jul 2 16:10:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Boycott the loon References: Message-ID: Neil wrote: > I wasn't referring to OPEC controlling oil in Iraq. I was making an > observation that despite assertions that the Iraq war was about gaining > control of the Iraqi oil fields, the price of oil has only increased since > the overthrowing of Saddam Hussein. No kidding. In Oregon, gas is $2.09/gal for mini-serve. Before Bush took office, it was closer to $1.09/gal. (Prices 30 to 40 cents higher for self-service in southern Washington[1]). > If the US now control such huge oil > reserves, why has it not been used to force the price of oil down? It > seems to me that its being stored or left in the ground, because OPEC > still appear to rule the roost when it comes to controlling the price by > controlling production among the OPEC countries. I think it has more to do with the fact Bush and Cheney both have their arms elbow deep up Haliburton's treasury. [1] I wish everybody would take a look at Oregon and New Jersey and ban self-serve nationally on the grounds that it's simply more expensive to no productive end, but a higher occurance of gas spills, fire and insurance premiums to the station owners. I'm sick of waiting in long-ass gas lines because Washingtonians can't be bothered to fix their own mess, instead making our gas lines miles long at times... -- Paul Johnson Email and Instant Messenger (Jabber): baloo@ursine.ca http://ursine.ca/~baloo/ From nobody at spamcop.net Sat Jul 2 18:05:39 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Sat Jul 2 17:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9687A0AAA9A58TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Excuse me, but you are talking about your feelings and not once do you > mention facts. And you won't look any of those up, either. And you > refute the facts presented to you with your feelings. Sounds pretty bad, > to me. Yes, about facts. I asked you where you got your quote and in what context, and you ignored the question. Or like you making sweeping accusations about SUV drivers mindset and their feelings of POWER and CONTROL, with jack shit to prove it. You don't provide any facts to substantiate what you say, you're too focused on telling me that *I'm* wrong when I believe I am safer in a bigger car, and I am in, in most circumstances. Whatever. You can go have a nitpicking pissing contest with your favorite troll, I'm not playing. From bystander at anonymous.bystander Sat Jul 2 22:46:24 2005 From: bystander at anonymous.bystander (Anonymous Bystander) Date: Sat Jul 2 17:50:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message > news:Xns9685C7DA95720TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > >>No way it was me! It was "Sylvesterthekat" ! >> >> >>>i suspect that an SUV driver just smashed up the front of my Miata and >>>drove off (while it was parked)... it seems unlikely that someone in a >>>car wouldn't have seen what they were doing >> >>Pix? Just as in just just? Like, now? Or pretty darned recently, > > anyway? > >>Where were we when this story broke??? Oh, but, bummer... > > > I had just discovered it, having gone to my car and found it like that. I do > have a pic now if you want to see it. I guess I could post it. > http://www.kookybycaron.com/share/damage.jpg Bwahahaha! Karma's a bitch, ain't it? -- From bystander at anonymous.bystander Sat Jul 2 22:56:36 2005 From: bystander at anonymous.bystander (Anonymous Bystander) Date: Sat Jul 2 18:00:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message > news:Xns9687A0AAA9A58TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > >>Excuse me, but you are talking about your feelings and not once do you >>mention facts. And you won't look any of those up, either. And you >>refute the facts presented to you with your feelings. Sounds pretty bad, >>to me. > > > Yes, about facts. I asked you where you got your quote and in what context, > and you ignored the question. Or like you making sweeping accusations about > SUV drivers mindset and their feelings of POWER and CONTROL, with jack shit > to prove it. You don't provide any facts to substantiate what you say, > you're too focused on telling me that *I'm* wrong when I believe I am safer > in a bigger car, and I am in, in most circumstances. Whatever. You can go > have a nitpicking pissing contest with your favorite troll, I'm not playing. > STFU troll-cunt. Nobody asked for your opinion. -- From bystander at anonymous.bystander Sat Jul 2 23:01:00 2005 From: bystander at anonymous.bystander (Anonymous Bystander) Date: Sat Jul 2 18:05:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > If I tell you you're full of shit, that makes me defensive. Hmm, don't > think so. Well you ARE full of shit. So shut up and go away. -- From curious at just.curious Sat Jul 2 23:09:06 2005 From: curious at just.curious (Just Curious) Date: Sat Jul 2 18:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hey Heidi/Spamvireslayer References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > news:da1uf5$e14$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>"D.F. Manno" wrote in message >>news:dfm2a3l0t2-0C1675.22115525062005@news.cesmail.net... >> >>>>As Mark Twain said, "Only kings, editors, and people with tapeworm > > have > >>>the right to use the editorial 'we'." I put him down for the last >>>category. >> >>He *is* the tapeworm. > > > *Hands S'kat a Droncit, shares them with the group* > LOL! Struck a nerve, didn't I? Let's face it, you're a real-life loser who has no life outside of this newsgroup. How pathetic... -- Just Curious From curious at just.curious Sat Jul 2 23:58:46 2005 From: curious at just.curious (Just Curious) Date: Sat Jul 2 19:00:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message > news:Xns96873C297B4CBTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > >>No way it was me! It was "Heidi" ! >> >> >>>I dunno, I think Charles may want to question you >> >>I dunno, I think maybe Heidi is wiggin'. > > > Hmm...was I the one who went off on S'kat for being an SUV > driver? PKB, dude. STFU troll-cunt. -- Just Curious From curious at just.curious Sun Jul 3 00:01:04 2005 From: curious at just.curious (Just Curious) Date: Sat Jul 2 19:05:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message > news:Xns96873C7D0C4CATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > >>Your entire hypothetical truck argument belies the FACT that SUVs are less >>safe than sedans. You can continue, if you like, to argue that in one >>hyothetical case the SUV might fare better but it won't matter a bit. > > > "A) Crash protection in a collision: This is a function of things such as > crumple zones, airbags, design characteristics, and finally, MASS. A larger > vehicle will, all other things being the same, fare better in a > collision....Seating height is another factor that can help you in a > collision. If you're sitting up high in an SUV, you may fare better when > another tall vehicle hits you. Most of the force may be directed lower, > around your legs or even below. Also, truck based SUV's built on a ladder > frame may have an advantage here. The frame acts as a huge side impact bar, > and may prevent intrusion into the passenger compartment. A negative to the > height is an increased propensity to roll over in a crash or extreme > maneuever". > > > STFU troll-cunt. -- Just Curious From curious at just.curious Sun Jul 3 00:04:31 2005 From: curious at just.curious (Just Curious) Date: Sat Jul 2 19:05:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message > news:Xns9686D32FD4E29TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > >>No way it was me! It was "Sylvesterthekat" ! >> >>>LOL, what, to make sweeping statements that cannot possibly be proven? >> >>Hey, like, whatever :) >>-- > > > Thank you...... > Get a life you vile piece-of-shit troll. -- Just Curious From devnull at spamcop.net Sat Jul 2 21:49:43 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Jul 2 21:05:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" wrote in message news:da2rf7$u4i$1@news.spamcop.net... | > | > | Our goal is to kill only as many as need killing. Not one more! | > | > Nor one less? | | You also forgot to ask him to define "need killing" ............ He's from Texas 'they needed killing' is considered is a valid defense ... don't take my word for it ask GWB and co. From devnull at spamcop.net Sat Jul 2 21:52:45 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Jul 2 21:05:16 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "David Dean" | | > You're assuming the UN would get involved. Remember, their NGO types left | > once already after getting bombed. They didn't even have any forces there | > for the Iraqis to get upset about. Given the current unrest, I doubt any | > nation would contribute forces for fear of causalities. | | If they refused, then we'd have a legitimate reason for being there. And they refused the first time ... did that give the US a legitimate reason for being there? From devnull at spamcop.net Sat Jul 2 21:57:06 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Jul 2 21:05:19 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "indigo" | > If it isn't it will be soon, now that Sandra Day O'Connor is | > retiring, | | SAY WHAT?!?! Like the song says ... Turn your radio on ... From devnull at spamcop.net Sat Jul 2 21:59:41 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Jul 2 21:05:22 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" | >> But God told the shrub to do it, remember?! | > | > And God told the Iman to send out suicide bombers. I think it's time | > to bring God to account and put him on trial for war crimes. Or could | > he possibly be being impersonated, a Joe Job by that fellow with horns? | > | | I don't remember Georgie babe having horns.......?!? Might ask some who've seem in sauced ... no personal knowledge but I've heard he was a mean drunk. From devnull at spamcop.net Sat Jul 2 22:03:54 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Jul 2 21:05:25 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "Eponym" | > Ugh! Yes! Silly me... Of course! I forgot Hitler was right when he marched | > into Poland and gassed the jews etc., etc. | > | | Uh...Hitler didn't win WWII. The Allies were the victors and their sense of | morality was imposed....just as I said and no different that what has | happened in any other conflict with a clear victor. Nazis were tried at | Nuremburg. After the Civil War in the US, the North imposed its will | and sense of morality on the South in a variety of ways. Etc etc etc | throughout history. Actually there was only one man tried and executed for war crimes in the US civil war. The commandant of Anderson POW camp. From devnull at spamcop.net Sat Jul 2 22:09:41 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Jul 2 21:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: IE Spyad References: Message-ID: | > > http://www.wilderssecurity.net/spywareguard.html I may be missing something but the latest update seems to be over a year old. What's happin'? From devnull at spamcop.net Sat Jul 2 22:11:04 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Jul 2 21:30:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: IE Spyad References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns968677661F37Cjohnlspamcopnet@216.154.195.61... | "Spamvireslayer" wrote in | news:da3v0p$hqg$1@news.spamcop.net: | | > I didn't think he was joking, I've heard of guys who think 'cleaning | > the toilet' is dumping a bottle of bleach in it once a year....... | | Nah.... TWICE a year! :P Yea every time they change underwear. From devnull at spamcop.net Sat Jul 2 22:14:34 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Jul 2 21:30:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Boycott the loon References: Message-ID: "Neil" < | > Just a few........ and not an OPEC in sight........... They may control | > the oil production in the middle east, but the American administration is | > determined it's gonna control it everywhere else - or else! | > | > | | I wasn't referring to OPEC controlling oil in Iraq. I was making an | observation that despite assertions that the Iraq war was about gaining | control of the Iraqi oil fields, the price of oil has only increased since | the overthrowing of Saddam Hussein. If the US now control such huge oil | reserves, why has it not been used to force the price of oil down? It seems | to me that its being stored or left in the ground, because OPEC still appear | to rule the roost when it comes to controlling the price by controlling | production among the OPEC countries. Let's see: GHWB was/is in the oil business. GWB was/is in the oil business The VP was/is in the oil business a goodly portion of GWB campaign support comes from those in or allied with the oil business. We now live in a Dollar Democracy. One dollar on vote. From devnull at spamcop.net Sat Jul 2 22:17:29 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Jul 2 21:30:15 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Drugs from Canada - not anymore References: Message-ID: "HeyBub" | The US government, in turn, would retailiate with trade sanctions for Canada's | refusal to adhere to international treaties on intellectual property. Yea like they do with China ...? From devnull at spamcop.net Sat Jul 2 22:23:40 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Jul 2 21:30:18 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pretty cool capsize and recovery References: Message-ID: "indigo" | > > In south Louisiana sever years back there was a wash out (in) at | > a salt dome. A tow boat and 5 barges were sucked down into the hole. | > > Boat and three barges came up a bit later. Never did see the other | > > two barges. | > | > what the hell is a salt dome? what hole? | | A big pocket of salt that gets dissolved by groundwater, leaving a huge | sinkhole. Salt dome is a very very very big pile of salt some are miles deep that are mined for the salt. Tabasco is a product that came about in part due to the *massive* amounts of salt available in New Iberia La. The hole was not created by ground water (too deep for one thing) but by a drilling rig penetrating an existing salt mine. (oil is often found in/around salt domes) The AEC has been known to detonate A-bombs in salt domes. Mostly just rattles the ground. From devnull at spamcop.net Sat Jul 2 22:28:16 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Jul 2 21:30:20 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Comprehending Engineers - Take 2 References: Message-ID: "Redstone" | > To the optimist, the glass is half full. To the pessimist, the glass is | > half empty. | > | > To the engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be. | > | | Redundancy can be a good thing. You never know when you may need extra | capacity. :-) | Like having a, spare keg in the frig in the shed in case the one in the house fridge kicks? From johnl at spamcop.net Sun Jul 3 02:33:09 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Sat Jul 2 21:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: IE Spyad References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in news:da7f2d$eug$2 @news.spamcop.net: > > "JohnL" wrote in message > news:Xns968677661F37Cjohnlspamcopnet@216.154.195.61... >| "Spamvireslayer" wrote in >| news:da3v0p$hqg$1@news.spamcop.net: >| >| > I didn't think he was joking, I've heard of guys who think 'cleaning >| > the toilet' is dumping a bottle of bleach in it once a year....... >| >| Nah.... TWICE a year! :P > > Yea every time they change underwear. > > > Oooooooo, YUCK!!! From borgholio at storymind.com Sat Jul 2 19:42:40 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Sat Jul 2 21:45:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pretty cool capsize and recovery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "indigo" > | > > In south Louisiana sever years back there was a wash out (in) at > | > a salt dome. A tow boat and 5 barges were sucked down into the hole. > | > > Boat and three barges came up a bit later. Never did see the other > | > > two barges. > | > > | > what the hell is a salt dome? what hole? > | > | A big pocket of salt that gets dissolved by groundwater, leaving a huge > | sinkhole. > > Salt dome is a very very very big pile of salt some are miles deep that are > mined for the salt. Tabasco is a product that came about in part due to the > *massive* amounts of salt available in New Iberia La. > > The hole was not created by ground water (too deep for one thing) but by a > drilling rig penetrating an existing salt mine. (oil is often found > in/around salt domes) > > The AEC has been known to detonate A-bombs in salt domes. Mostly just > rattles the ground. > > While we're on the topic of salt... Everybody is familiar with common table salt, NaCl (sodium chloride). I know you can make salt with Potassium too (KCl, potassium chloride). I know that KCl is safe to eat (it's still salt, after all), but I've always wondered what it tasted like. A friend says it tastes somewhat metallic. From eponym at I.hate.spam.com Sat Jul 2 23:18:36 2005 From: eponym at I.hate.spam.com (Eponym) Date: Sat Jul 2 22:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:da7dil$e4t$5@news.spamcop.net... > "Eponym" > > | Uh...Hitler didn't win WWII. The Allies were the victors and their > sense > of > | morality was imposed....just as I said and no different that what has > | happened in any other conflict with a clear victor. Nazis were tried at > | Nuremburg. After the Civil War in the US, the North imposed its will > | and sense of morality on the South in a variety of ways. Etc etc etc > | throughout history. > > Actually there was only one man tried and executed for war crimes in the > US > civil war. The commandant of Anderson POW camp. > True, but the North imposed its will and morals in a variety of other ways, i.e., the 14th amendment, impeaching all the South's elected officials, etc. etc. From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Jul 3 00:37:32 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Jul 2 23:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Rotary Cellphone References: <42C2BC39.DA2A4E1A@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" | > Because there's no money in making an appliance that will last for | > years. Cheap and flimsy means you need to buy a new one every other year | > or so, and that means profits to the manufacturer. | | Those last-forever phones were made in the days when you didn't buy your | phone, but leased it from the phone company. The longer they lasted, the | more money the company made by not having to pay for replacements. Now | that they make money when you buy it, and don't get any money for the life | of the item, they have no incentive for long-lasting products. (In fact, | they have disincentives.) | The hard fact is the equipment is technologically obsolete long before it wares out. Just check on how much it cost to have 386 compute hauled off. From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Jul 3 00:43:12 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Jul 2 23:55:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pretty cool capsize and recovery References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" | > Salt dome is a very very very big pile of salt some are miles deep that are | > mined for the salt. Tabasco is a product that came about in part due to the | > *massive* amounts of salt available in New Iberia La. | > | > The hole was not created by ground water (too deep for one thing) but by a | > drilling rig penetrating an existing salt mine. (oil is often found | > in/around salt domes) | > | > The AEC has been known to detonate A-bombs in salt domes. Mostly just | > rattles the ground. | > | | While we're on the topic of salt... | | Everybody is familiar with common table salt, NaCl (sodium chloride). I | know you can make salt with Potassium too (KCl, potassium chloride). I know | that KCl is safe to eat (it's still salt, after all), but I've always | wondered what it tasted like. A friend says it tastes somewhat metallic. Actually you don't have to make salt nor is NaCl or KCl the only form of salt. As to the taste of KCl it's much like NaCl but a bit bitter. To paraphrase Crocodile Dundee. "You can eat it but it taste like sh|t" From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Jul 3 09:54:06 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Jul 3 09:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Karl Rove outed CIA operative Valerie Plame? References: Message-ID: Amazing that the Republican Administration's Justice Department has taken over two years to determine which of six people working in the White House within 100 feet of the Oval Office was the criminal. No wonder they can't find Osama Bin Laden! How long has Rove been suspected? - almost immediately! http://slate.msn.com/id/2088471/ (This article came two months before Attorney General Ashcroft decided to pursue the case - at the insistence of the CIA! Ashcroft did NOTHING for four months after being notified of the crime. If only Bill Clinton had had such a loyal and partisan Attorney General...) But Bush couldn't part with Rove - who's needed for the 2004 election! http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1165126,00.html Now in 2005, and Bush has run his last race. Karl Rove is expendable! Yesterday - John McLaughlin TV Program on July 1, 2005! >From McLaughlin Group transcript - "Lawrence O'Donnell: "What we're going to go to now in the next stage, when Matt Cooper's e-mails, within Time Magazine, are handed over to the grand jury, the ultimate revelation, probably within the week of who his source is. "And I know I'm going to get pulled into the grand jury for saying this but the source of...for Matt Cooper was Karl Rove, and that will be revealed in this document dump that Time magazine's going to do with the grand jury." Other panelists then joined in discussing whether, if true, this would suggest a perjury rap for Rove, if he told the grand jury he did not leak to Cooper. " Saturday Newsweek chief Michael Isikoff confirmed it was Rove: http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000972841 From eponym at I.hate.spam.com Sun Jul 3 12:51:57 2005 From: eponym at I.hate.spam.com (Eponym) Date: Sun Jul 3 11:55:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-4FF501.11255203072005@frylock.local... > In article , > "Frog Prince" wrote: > >> And they refused the first time ... did that give the US a legitimate >> reason >> for being there? > > No but the circumstances are VERY different. They refused to help the > US invade. That doesn't legitimize their invasion. In my hypothetical, > they would be refusing to bail us out, and it is our moral > responsibility to do something. The UN /could/ minimize the animosity > and possibly reduce casualties, but they don't have a mandate to do it. > They HAD NGO officials in Iraq after we invaded. They set up their offices and insisted on providing for their own security. They got truck bombed and left shortly thereafter. The Iraqis apparently don't want the UN there any more than they do the US. From heybub at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 12:42:20 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Sun Jul 3 12:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Karl Rove outed CIA operative Valerie Plame? References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > Amazing that the Republican Administration's Justice Department has > taken > over two years to determine which of six people working in the White > House > within 100 feet of the Oval Office was the criminal. No wonder they > can't > find Osama Bin Laden! > But the NYTimes says it was highly unlikely a crime was committed! No, wait, that was when their reporter was facing jail. From heybub at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 12:48:56 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Sun Jul 3 12:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "Miss Betsy" wrote: > >> IMHO, there is no 'correction' other than reversal. However, the >> 'right' thing to do now is to rebuild. > > Rebuilding can be done without using US military. We /could/ say to > the UN, "We screwed up. Please help us." And we could pay for the > rebuilding and have the blue helmets and NGOs doing what our military > is doing. The violence would be lighter, the international community > wouldn't hate us as much and we wouldn't have to keep rebuilding after > the sabotage. Never happen. The US invaded Iraq, in part, to shut down the "rape rooms." There is no way we'd allow their re-establisment. The UN does not do what our military is doing. The UN does a poor job of peace-keeping and doesn't do peace-making at all. From eponym at I.hate.spam.com Sun Jul 3 13:59:22 2005 From: eponym at I.hate.spam.com (Eponym) Date: Sun Jul 3 13:00:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-BF8746.12245903072005@frylock.local... > > It is easy to be a nay sayer. How do you think we could live up to > our responsibility and still minimize casualties? > What responsibility? They don't want us there! http://www.modbee.com/24hour/global/story/2530405p-10910596c.html Pay attention to the last paragraph. From heybub at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 13:11:47 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Sun Jul 3 13:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pretty cool capsize and recovery References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Frog Prince" wrote in message > news:da1v3m$eav$2@news.spamcop.net... > > In south Louisiana sever years back there was a wash out (in) at a > salt >> dome. A tow boat and 5 barges were sucked down into the hole. Boat >> and three barges came up a bit later. Never did see the other two >> barges. > > what the hell is a salt dome? what hole? Deposited salt overlayed by (up to) thousands of feet of rock. The salt finds a weak spot and flows upward, ultimately resembling a mushroom. There are over 2000 known salt domes in the Gulf Coast containing, on average, six cubic miles of salt. Since all of the people on earth (some six billion) would fit in ONE cubic mile if you stacked them like cordwood, that's an awful lot of salt. You often find oil near salt domes. As the salt pushes upward, it bends oil-bearing strata for a distance of many miles, then fractures through the strata on its way to the surface. Oil is lighter than water and certainly lighter than rock. The oil in this bent strata moves, or "migrates," upward until it reaches the salt dome. There the oil stops moving since salt is non-porus. So, then, the oil for many score of square miles has migrates to the flank of the salt dome and there it waits for someone to drill into it. Salt, itself, is mined from a few domes that are close to the surface. If within 2000 feet or so of the surface, the salt is mined by pumping water into the dome and evaporating the brine that comes back up. If closer to the surface, the salt is collected in room-and-pillar mines. These are giant rooms - typically 100x100x60 feet - in which the salt is carved away from a wall, crushed, and carried up in elevators. "Rooms" alternate with unmined "pillars" such that the layout looks like a checkerboard, the "pillars" holding up the roof. In the mine you find dump-trucks, front-end loaders, bulldozers, and other heavy equipment. These types of salt mines do not collapse, have no noxious fumes or posionous gases, and are the only mines that do not require either ventilation or a second exit. Very stable. Nothing can hurt a salt mine. Except when Texaco drills through the top and sucks a drilling rig, associated barges, a nature-preserve island, and various water critters, into the hole, draining a lake and causing a canal to flow backwards. http://members.tripod.com/~earthdude1/texaco/texaco.html From heybub at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 13:17:39 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Sun Jul 3 13:20:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pretty cool capsize and recovery References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > > While we're on the topic of salt... > > Everybody is familiar with common table salt, NaCl (sodium chloride). > I know you can make salt with Potassium too (KCl, potassium > chloride). I know that KCl is safe to eat (it's still salt, after > all), but I've always wondered what it tasted like. A friend says it > tastes somewhat metallic. Actually, we've plenty of salt, you don't need to make it. In reality, salt is used to make other stuff - it's the raw material not the product. When you electrolyze salt, you get metallic Sodium and Chlorine gas. Metallic sodium is then combined with water to make Sodium hydroxide (lye - millions of tons a year). The Chlorine gas is either used as the gas itself in, for example, water purification or converted to Hydrochloric acid, used by the millions of tons in the steel industry. From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Sun Jul 3 19:08:34 2005 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Sun Jul 3 14:10:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Troops not impressed? References: Message-ID: Canopus on 30/06/2005 wrote: > indigo on 30/06/2005 wrote: > > > > > > > Canopus wrote: > > > > > > US soldiers violated the Geneva Convention and international law > > > by preventing civilians from accessing healthcare. Eyewitness > > > reported at least one patient being shot dead in his bed on a > > > hospital ward. Doctors were prevented from assisting patients > > > and civilians in need. A number of doctors and medical personnel > > > were killed in the attack and others were arrested by US forces > > > in the hospital. > > > > Yeah, right. Who wrote and published this crap? Abu al-Zarqawi or > > the Al-Qeada of Iraq? > > I am attempting to find out, but, it doesn't really contradict other > news that is slipping out reported by excellent reporters such as the > UK Channel 4 News. Of course there could always be a world wide > conspiracy to put the US in a bad light so I will endeavour to dig > deeper and follow the case through. > > The first casualty of war is truth so keep an open mind. > > Rob OK, now I have had a little time to investigate this matter further I can say the following. Of course one can blatantly disbelieve everything and instead believe everyone is lying, but, I for one am satisfied. Firstly my source. I am not prepared to reveal the name of the person who forwarded me this information as she is an Ex Pat from the UK living and working in Egypt. She is also involved with the international Solidarity Campaign and other organisations attempting to root out corruption and violence afflicted upon the citizens of various Middle East countries by their own governments as well as attempting to rectify the West's misconceptions in that area. She is a journalist of excellent repute who once worked for the Guardian and I know from personal experience she does not sanction any on the fly statements that come from poor research. So saying that, I asked her about the accuracy of what she sent me, this is what she had to say, quote: "Re your blinkered/challenged/in denial e-contacts. It's all there about Iraq on the Internet and from some impeccable sources. I know and unreservedly trust the very impressive courageous and committed young Iraqi doctor who heads the Doctors for Iraq Society. He was in Falluja during the first siege and and among the first in after the second. You can probably still access this report through the Stop the War Coalition website. If anything his accounts are under-stated. Incidentally, his main cause and campaign is Falluja which he, I and many others regard as the major crime against humanity/war crime committed by 'the US/UK in Iraq, and was recently described by The Guardian as Britain's Guernica, on its website that is, the story being a little toned down in print, in the Guardian Weekly at least." The main problem seems to be that we choose what sources to believe in accordance with our prejudices, if we don't like what we hear then it is convenient to deny it even if it comes from an impeccable source such as the Guardian or whatever. No matter what we would like to think of our troops, war is legalised anarchy and has a strong tendency to bring out the very worse in both individuals and groups on both sides of the fence. Rob From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Sun Jul 3 19:13:12 2005 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Sun Jul 3 14:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: Eponym on 03/07/2005 wrote: > They HAD NGO officials in Iraq after we invaded. They set up their > offices and insisted on providing for their own security. They got > truck bombed and left shortly thereafter. The Iraqis apparently > don't want the UN there any more than they do the US. Then again, I've never seen the US exactly overjoyed at the UN being there or anywhere where there are US interests unless the US can have extreme influence on their policies. When the UN agrees with the US they are good, when they disagree they are weak or infiltrated by bad men and the US has a right to ignore them. Rob From eponym at I.hate.spam.com Sun Jul 3 15:39:50 2005 From: eponym at I.hate.spam.com (Eponym) Date: Sun Jul 3 14:40:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "Canopus" wrote in message news:da99ro$bvk$1@news.spamcop.net... > Eponym on 03/07/2005 wrote: > >> They HAD NGO officials in Iraq after we invaded. They set up their >> offices and insisted on providing for their own security. They got >> truck bombed and left shortly thereafter. The Iraqis apparently >> don't want the UN there any more than they do the US. > > Then again, I've never seen the US exactly overjoyed at the UN being > there or anywhere where there are US interests unless the US can have > extreme influence on their policies. When the UN agrees with the US > they are good, when they disagree they are weak or infiltrated by bad > men and the US has a right to ignore them. > Couldn't have anything to do with the fact that the UN is a debating society filled with incompetent, corrupt sleaze bags whose priority is to feather their nest vs perform their mission, could it? If they were really interested in peace, they would've done more before all this shit started. In any case, I'm in favor of leaving Iraq. If the UN thinks it can clean up now, they can have at it. BTW.....why shouldn't we have a major say in the UN? We're its largest donor! Maybe the rest of the world should start doing its part financially and politically. Its a little ridiculous when a body like the UN assigns Iran to chair a human rights committee. Frankly, I think the UN is a waste of time and money. It has achieved almost nothing. From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Jul 3 16:27:07 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Jul 3 15:40:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Karl Rove outed CIA operative Valerie Plame? References: Message-ID: "HeyBub" wrote in message news:da94h6$9et$1@news.spamcop.net... | > Amazing that the Republican Administration's Justice Department has | > taken over two years to determine which of six people working in the White | > House within 100 feet of the Oval Office was the criminal. No wonder they | > can't find Osama Bin Laden! | > | | But the NYTimes says it was highly unlikely a crime was committed! | | No, wait, that was when their reporter was facing jail. Regardless of whatever crime the reporters may have committed the release of the name was a violation of security that was more onerous in that the nature of the release was as political retribution. In other words Rove is a vindictive S.O.B. but then we all knew that ... From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Jul 3 16:36:18 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Jul 3 15:40:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pretty cool capsize and recovery References: Message-ID: "HeyBub" wrote in message news:da96jd$ahm$1@news.spamcop.net... | Borgholio wrote: | > | > While we're on the topic of salt... | > | > Everybody is familiar with common table salt, NaCl (sodium chloride). | > I know you can make salt with Potassium too (KCl, potassium | > chloride). I know that KCl is safe to eat (it's still salt, after | > all), but I've always wondered what it tasted like. A friend says it | > tastes somewhat metallic. | | Actually, we've plenty of salt, you don't need to make it. In reality, salt | is used to make other stuff - it's the raw material not the product. When | you electrolyze salt, you get metallic Sodium and Chlorine gas. | | Metallic sodium is then combined with water to make Sodium hydroxide (lye - | millions of tons a year). The Chlorine gas is either used as the gas itself | in, for example, water purification or converted to Hydrochloric acid, used | by the millions of tons in the steel industry. Not to mention the manufacture of fertilizer curing hams, flavoring French fries also goes well with Margaritas. From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Jul 3 16:37:18 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Jul 3 15:40:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Boycott the loon References: Message-ID: "David Dean" | > We now live in a Dollar Democracy. One dollar on vote. | | And with the new touch screens, no record of your vote. LOL gives new insight into politicians 'putting the touch' on someone. From eponym at I.hate.spam.com Sun Jul 3 16:52:30 2005 From: eponym at I.hate.spam.com (Eponym) Date: Sun Jul 3 15:55:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-017CF5.15340503072005@frylock.local... > >> is a debating society >> filled with incompetent, corrupt sleaze bags whose priority is to feather >> their nest vs perform their mission, could it? > > I'm sorry, I lost track. we we talking about the US congress? > They're both pretty close. I have little use for politicians of any stripe. From eponym at I.hate.spam.com Sun Jul 3 16:57:31 2005 From: eponym at I.hate.spam.com (Eponym) Date: Sun Jul 3 16:00:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-7900D8.15355303072005@frylock.local... > In article , > "Eponym" wrote: > >> BTW.....why shouldn't we have a major say in the UN? We're its largest >> donor! > > Which US state is the largest donor to the federal coffers? Would you > like it if they had power equal to their share of the contribution? > Taxes are collected from people...so, it follows that the more people in a state the more they pay into federal coffers. The House writes appropriation bills and its members are based on population. So, duh...they do! From heybub at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 17:35:52 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Sun Jul 3 17:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Karl Rove outed CIA operative Valerie Plame? References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: >> >> But the NYTimes says it was highly unlikely a crime was committed! >> >> No, wait, that was when their reporter was facing jail. > > Regardless of whatever crime the reporters may have committed the > release of the name was a violation of security that was more onerous > in that the nature of the release was as political retribution. > > In other words Rove is a vindictive S.O.B. but then we all knew that > ... Well, yeah. Politics ain't bean-bag. I'm sure glad he's on my side! From heybub at gmail.com Sun Jul 3 17:40:31 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Sun Jul 3 17:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pretty cool capsize and recovery References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "HeyBub" wrote in message > news:da96jd$ahm$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Borgholio wrote: >>> >>> While we're on the topic of salt... > > Not to mention the manufacture of fertilizer curing hams, flavoring > French fries also goes well with Margaritas. Salt used for consumption (Margaritas, cow-licks, etc.), is probably less than 1% of all uses. Chicago probably uses more salt each winter on its "Nuclear Free" streets than is used in all the Chinese food in the nation. From eponym at I.hate.spam.com Sun Jul 3 19:32:54 2005 From: eponym at I.hate.spam.com (Eponym) Date: Sun Jul 3 18:35:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9688B2C4D9FFFTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Eponym" ! > >> Taxes are collected from people...so, it follows that the more people >> in a state the more they pay into federal coffers. The House writes >> appropriation bills and its members are based on population. So, >> duh...they do! > > Huge lapses in the logic, here. But, hey, whatever. > > Outlay, by state: > http://www.census.gov/prod/www/abs/fed-exp.html > Take table 1 for 1997. Compare Maine at $7.184 billion -> population of > roughly 1.2 million or per capita Federal spending of $6,000. > > Cali spending of $160.874 billion for roughly 33 million in population or > under $5,000 per capita. > You're only looking at one side of the equation though...it would be interesting to see federal revenue by state. It could be that more revenue is obtained per capita from Maine vs California. Then again, you may have a lot of welfare queens of the individual and corporate variety. Also, outlays to less populous states may benefit states with more population, i.e., outlays for Interstate thru Wyoming and Nevada probably benefit California as much as it does the state that received the money. Then again, Michigan has the busiest border crossing from Canada (5000 trucks a day), we get less than average per capita, and our roads suck. Still, for the most part, total outlays follow population. From eponym at I.hate.spam.com Sun Jul 3 20:23:18 2005 From: eponym at I.hate.spam.com (Eponym) Date: Sun Jul 3 19:25:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9688C4CA78839TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Eponym" ! > >> Still, for the most part, total outlays follow population. > > I've just proved that wrong and yet you persist. Weird. No....you didn't. You identified one exception...so what? From eponym at I.hate.spam.com Sun Jul 3 20:55:20 2005 From: eponym at I.hate.spam.com (Eponym) Date: Sun Jul 3 20:00:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9688B2C4D9FFFTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > Outlay, by state: > http://www.census.gov/prod/www/abs/fed-exp.html > Take table 1 for 1997. Compare Maine at $7.184 billion -> population of > roughly 1.2 million or per capita Federal spending of $6,000. > Its very interesting to me that they list expenditures by state, but revenue by state is nowhere to be found. Suggests the feds doesn't want anyone to know if or how bad they're getting screwed. From eponym at I.hate.spam.com Sun Jul 3 21:03:28 2005 From: eponym at I.hate.spam.com (Eponym) Date: Sun Jul 3 20:05:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9688C90406C62TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Eponym" ! >> "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message >> news:Xns9688C4CA78839TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... >>> No way it was me! It was "Eponym" ! >>> >>>> Still, for the most part, total outlays follow population. >>> >>> I've just proved that wrong and yet you persist. Weird. >> >> No....you didn't. You identified one exception...so what? > > Don't be silly - I proved you wrong in one case and I ask you to use the > data that I gave you to prove your point. Only you can't prove your point > from that data because your point is invalid. But, hey, whatever. Go on, > give it a shot. Just check the top two states. We're waiting. Already did...ranked total expenditures go to CA, NY, TX, etc. etc. just as one would expect based on population. Per capita means almost nothing when you're comparing states with huge differences in population. So....look at the total outlay....not per capita. From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Jul 3 21:15:28 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Jul 3 20:25:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pretty cool capsize and recovery References: Message-ID: "HeyBub" | >>> While we're on the topic of salt... | > Not to mention the manufacture of fertilizer curing hams, flavoring | > French fries also goes well with Margaritas. | | Salt used for consumption (Margaritas, cow-licks, etc.), is probably less | than 1% of all uses. Chicago probably uses more salt each winter on its | "Nuclear Free" streets than is used in all the Chinese food in the nation. Kinda like sex ... don't take much to keep me happy. From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Jul 3 21:16:26 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Jul 3 20:25:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Karl Rove outed CIA operative Valerie Plame? References: Message-ID: "HeyBub" | > In other words Rove is a vindictive S.O.B. but then we all knew that | > ... | | Well, yeah. Politics ain't bean-bag. | | I'm sure glad he's on my side! Socks still wet? From eponym at I.hate.spam.com Sun Jul 3 21:22:28 2005 From: eponym at I.hate.spam.com (Eponym) Date: Sun Jul 3 20:25:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9688CC7F5ECF3TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Eponym" ! > >> Already did...ranked total expenditures go to CA, NY, TX, etc. etc. >> just as one would expect based on population. Per capita means almost >> nothing when you're comparing states with huge differences in >> population. So....look at the total outlay....not per capita. > > Per capita means everything - spare us. And it means all the more when > coupled with income. Which you've ignored. Yawn. No, I haven't ignored income...in fact, I pointed out that you're only looking at expenditures. But if you really want get into income comparisons, they suggest that Maine is full of welfare queens sucking off all the other states. http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/medincsizeandstate.html My comments early pertained to population and total outlays....you threw per capita in the mix. Us? You and your imaginary friends? Or you and the other trolls? Or maybe you're all the same person? Spare ME your BS. From eponym at I.hate.spam.com Sun Jul 3 22:02:54 2005 From: eponym at I.hate.spam.com (Eponym) Date: Sun Jul 3 21:05:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9688D18A0418DTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Eponym" ! > >> Already did...ranked total expenditures go to CA, NY, TX, etc. etc. > > BS. I just did it for you. And, wow, Michigan gets more money that NY. > Michigan has about half the population that NY does. Go on, admit that > you're wrong, we can take it. > Where did you pull your numbers? From your ass? Look at table 8 in the document YOU referenced. On a per capita basis, MI got $4159, NY got $5272, and the welfare state of ME got $5784. >From table 1, in millions CA $160,874 NY $95,622 TX $88,332 FL $82,060 PA $65,314 etc. etc. You're not just a troll....you're retarded! From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon Jul 4 07:16:05 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Mon Jul 4 07:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" wrote in message news:da6m93$2br$1@news.spamcop.net... > Yes, The majority ganged up to show him the error of his ways. I guess we > can only hope that something can be done to stem the USes bloated opinion of > itself in the same way....... > > So roll-on the clear victory...... (When the US has been put in it's place). And what would the 'rest of the world' impose on the US as victors? What would they put in place of democracy (actually the US form of government is not pure democracy)? What would they put in place of freedom of religion? How would they curb the multinational corporations? (some of which are based in other nations). In an entirely objective light, Saddam was no better than Hitler. He had already tried to overrun neighboring countries once and there is no reason to think that he wasn't planning to try it again. On the basis of who is right and who is wrong, Hitler and Saddam are on one side and the US is on the opposite for the same reasons. There are just as many greedy, unscrupulous people among other nations as there are in the US. There would be no fear of bad influence if other nations didn't have citizens that were just as greedy, opportunistic, selfish, hedonistic, unscrupulous who latch on to what is the worst of the US culture. Miss Betsy From eponym at I.hate.spam.com Mon Jul 4 10:26:53 2005 From: eponym at I.hate.spam.com (Eponym) Date: Mon Jul 4 09:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9688B2C4D9FFFTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Eponym" ! > >> Taxes are collected from people...so, it follows that the more people >> in a state the more they pay into federal coffers. The House writes >> appropriation bills and its members are based on population. So, >> duh...they do! > > Outlay, by state: > http://www.census.gov/prod/www/abs/fed-exp.html > Take table 1 for 1997. Compare Maine at $7.184 billion -> population of > roughly 1.2 million or per capita Federal spending of $6,000. > > Cali spending of $160.874 billion for roughly 33 million in population or > under $5,000 per capita. > My original statement centered more on taxes, population, and power. States with more population tend to pay more of the taxes. States with more population also have more power in the House by virtue of the number of representatives they send. If you have trouble understanding that, read the Constitution. Whether or not they actually exercise that power to ensure that their states get back a proportional amount of the taxes collected is immaterial. There are any number of reasons why representatives may find it beneficial for the population of their state to get back less than they paid in. From heybub at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 09:32:33 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Mon Jul 4 09:35:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: Miss Betsy wrote: > > And what would the 'rest of the world' impose on the US as victors? > What would they put in place of democracy (actually the US form of > government is not pure democracy)? What would they put in place of > freedom of religion? Let me guess: Islam? Or was that a trick question? > How would they curb the multinational > corporations? (some of which are based in other nations). That supposes that multinational corporations NEED to be curbed. > > In an entirely objective light, Saddam was no better than Hitler. > He had already tried to overrun neighboring countries once Twice: Iran and Kuwait. Some might count the Kurds in the north. > and > there is no reason to think that he wasn't planning to try it > again. On the basis of who is right and who is wrong, Hitler and > Saddam are on one side and the US is on the opposite for the same > reasons. Only if you believe that morality is absolute. There are those who hold that right and wrong are situational. > > There are just as many greedy, unscrupulous people among other > nations as there are in the US. Some places are much worse. Most of the Middle East and all of Africa, for example. From heybub at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 09:37:04 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Mon Jul 4 09:40:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pretty cool capsize and recovery References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "HeyBub" > >>>>> While we're on the topic of salt... > >>> Not to mention the manufacture of fertilizer curing hams, flavoring >>> French fries also goes well with Margaritas. >> >> Salt used for consumption (Margaritas, cow-licks, etc.), is probably >> less than 1% of all uses. Chicago probably uses more salt each >> winter on its "Nuclear Free" streets than is used in all the Chinese >> food in the nation. > > Kinda like sex ... don't take much to keep me happy. "Final bearing and shoot. Fire one! Fire two!..." From eponym at I.hate.spam.com Mon Jul 4 12:05:25 2005 From: eponym at I.hate.spam.com (Eponym) Date: Mon Jul 4 11:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns96896B6B6CA2BTheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... >> >> My original statement centered more on taxes, population, and power. >> States with more population tend to pay more of the taxes. States >> with more population also have more power in the House by virtue of >> the number of representatives they send. > > It sounds like you're being testy again. And thank you for admitting that > you were wrong, but next time could you do it explicity? > > >> Whether or not they actually exercise that power to ensure that their >> states get back a proportional amount of the taxes collected is >> immaterial. > > Well, it would be, but that's not how you wrote your - incorrect - > statement - up at the top, there. > I'm not admitting that I'm wrong...only that your feeble brain has some problem understanding what I wrote. Retards usually do. From eponym at I.hate.spam.com Mon Jul 4 12:51:30 2005 From: eponym at I.hate.spam.com (Eponym) Date: Mon Jul 4 11:55:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-3E46D5.11143004072005@frylock.local... > In article , > "Eponym" wrote: > >> Retards usually do. > > Resorting to ad hominem attacks does not help your position. > Whatever. My position doesn't need any help and was settled before the asshat piped in and twisted what I wrote. From eponym at I.hate.spam.com Mon Jul 4 13:53:48 2005 From: eponym at I.hate.spam.com (Eponym) Date: Mon Jul 4 12:55:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-735216.12223104072005@frylock.local... > > If you continue to try to argue by calling people names, You will be > ignored by people who want to have polite conversation. > Polite? There is nothing polite about that idiot. He is a troll. Frankly, if you're inclined to defend that jackass, you are no better. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 4 13:57:49 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jul 4 13:00:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was "indigo" ! > > Charles wrote: > >> No way it was me! It was "indigo" ! > >> > >> > What's the difference between a midsize SUV and a minivan? Are > >> > all soccer mom's also after feelings of power? > >> > >> Spare me the false rhetoric, eh? > > > > Don't want to answer an honest question, eh? > > Refuse to answer a dishonest one - that has nothing to do with the > discussion. It has _everything_ to do with your "SUV driver" comments, you just refuse to see the connection. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 4 14:00:57 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jul 4 13:05:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > How about safety and security? If I had a choice of going 70 on the > interestate in an SUV or a small car, surrounded by 18 wheelers going > 85, I would NOT choose anything small. Even in the Trailblazer I > felt small getting blown around by the draft, I don't know how the > small cars stayed on the road. We're not as nearly affected by the backdraft from 18 wheelers because our cars are areodynamic, as opposed to a Trailblazer having tall flat sides that act like sails...... From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 4 14:08:43 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jul 4 13:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message > news:Xns9686C986ABB71TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > > No, again, you are trying to put words in my mouth that I never > uttered. > > Why the hostility? Yeah, yeah, obviously the hostility is there > > because (and I'll actually say it this time) EVERYONE DESPISES > > PEOPLE WHO DRIVE SUVs (please, pay careful attention to the syntax > > used here and to the very specific meaning which has nothing to do > > with our previous discussion - other than being, perhaps, the > > reason for which you have such a chip on your shoulder). > > Perhaps you should amend that to 'everyone who doesn't drive one > despises people who drive SUVs'. Perhaps amend it to get rid of all sweeping generalizations......CHARLES hates people who drive SUVs, and it should stop at that. But I only despise those SUV drivers > who drive excessively large SUVs, who drive them incompetently and/or > who do not actually need anything larger than a regular car. Idiot drivers in any size vehicle are a menace. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 4 14:11:06 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jul 4 13:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > > I dunno, I think Charles may want to question you as to your real > NEED.... You can get smaller SUV's, you're clearly driving a big one > coz you got big balls or somethin.... No, Charles will claim _lack_ of balls as the need for a big SUV, if he hasn't sed it already.... From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 4 11:14:04 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Mon Jul 4 13:15:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] one idea of hell Message-ID: http://pages.sbcglobal.net/cowoflight/home.html don't click on the pictures. instead click on the links that say 'kitchen' and so on if I were this kid, I'd take this stuff outside when the folks were out and burn it, especially the stuffed toys that form a 3ft thick wall in the bedroom From johnl at spamcop.net Mon Jul 4 18:15:37 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Mon Jul 4 13:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in news:dabqja$mda$1@news.spamcop.net: > No, Charles will claim _lack_ of balls as the need for a big SUV, if he > hasn't sed it already.... That don't bother me. My balls are good enough size and amount for what I need to use them for. ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 4 14:15:47 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jul 4 13:20:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > > I don't understand what your reply has to do with the statement > that I made. As far as snow driving, technique makes up far more than > 4WD. my FWD tiny car drives better than many of my colleagues 4WDs in > snow. (I work on a weather service contract, and often go in to work > when most people stay home because of the snow, and weather weenies > love to play in the snow.) Most of the "4WD" vehicles sold these days don't have true 4WD with locking differentials, they have this cheesy traction control type "all wheel drive", which is not really "4WD" by any means. Your tiny FWD does good in the snow because it has all the engine weight over the driven wheels. Hint: if you *really* have trouble getting up a slippery hill try going up backwards, in reverse -- works like a charm (only recommended when there are not a lot of other vehicles around ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 4 14:26:39 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jul 4 13:30:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > Someone like Indi may be able to shed more light on this but smaller > cars are less susceptible to side winds than SUVs are. Did, in another post. You probably > stand no more chance in your SUV against an 18 wheeler than i would > in my Miata. Out of the SUV or the Miata I'd choose the Porsche 911 > LOL (faster, better brakes, better build quality, better agility). Me too -- you can't hit me if you can't catch me! From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 4 14:28:55 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jul 4 13:30:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Boycott the loon References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > In article , > Don Wannit wrote: > > > So far GWB has managed to avoid invading Russia, but it's not at all > > clear that he will be able to control himself, or the advisors he > > surrounds himself with. > > Surely even the Shrub administration can't be stupid enough to fight a > land was with Russia. Everybody who's tried has been utterly routed. Erm, wasn't there once this guy named Ghengis Khan? From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 4 14:32:53 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jul 4 13:35:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hey D-LO References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:da3c1a$6ke$1@news.spamcop.net... > > It's already on a switch (power strip). For whatever electrical > reason I > > don't understand, as long as the thing is grounded by at least one > > of the lines it won't reboot unless you completely unplug it. A > > switch only breaks the "hot" feed, not the return. > > Is that right? Well fancy! Never taken the covers off of any of your household outlets or switches and taken a look, eh? Well, you probably wouldn't understand what you saw anyway if you hadn't been taught anything about electrical wiring (and had to un-learn everything most of what you knew about car stereo wiring! ;-) From eponym at I.hate.spam.com Mon Jul 4 14:36:23 2005 From: eponym at I.hate.spam.com (Eponym) Date: Mon Jul 4 13:40:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: one idea of hell References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:dabqos$meb$1@news.spamcop.net... > http://pages.sbcglobal.net/cowoflight/home.html > > don't click on the pictures. instead click on the links that say 'kitchen' > and so on > > if I were this kid, I'd take this stuff outside when the folks were out > and > burn it, especially the stuffed toys that form a 3ft thick wall in the > bedroom > The main rooms are not nearly as bad as that Crazy Ebay Mom one from awhile back. At least a person can sit in a variety of places without having to move 500lbs of crap. Love the downstairs bathroom...plently of toilet paper handy. The bedrooms are a disaster though and rival the Ebay mom. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 4 14:36:39 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jul 4 13:40:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hey D-LO References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Neil" wrote in message > news:da3cqm$73i$1@news.spamcop.net... > > There is the facility to transfer to VCR, and you could always then > transfer > > to DVD. I think you're making the point that VCRs have the > > advantage of being able to play the recording in other players > > which is of course the limitation of a DVR where the recording sits > > on a fixed hard disk in the box. Despite this, I haven't once > > wished I could take the recording and play it elsewhere. Truly, I > > don't miss VCRs at all. > > > > ah, mine is also a DVD recorder so I can put stuff onto DVD off of > the hard drive which I do from time to time to send to people or to > keep things for myself But, but.....I have a bunch of stuff saved on VCR tapes I can never get back (unless I transferred them to DVD, ain't worth the time and investment in new PC hardware). Plus, that's a DVD-W, I assume? Not a rewriteable disk, I mean. Another disadvantage to tape. Instead of being able to constantly re-use tapes to record car races, I'd have a pile of once-used and now useless DVDs......(I frequently tape races, like yesterday, on Sunday afternoon while watching golf live, then watch the tape in bed that night). From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 4 14:40:33 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jul 4 13:45:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hey D-LO References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Porpoise" wrote in message > news:da4hh6$uhs$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Who mentioned anything about Comcast or DirecTV (whoever they > are)? I > > thought we were talking about digital recorders....... > > That's what initially sparked the question of his DVR. Cable > companies here bribe you to join them with the offer of a free DVR. And I'd bet the number of folks who bought and/or have a DVR in the USA that *didn't* come from their cable company is a fraction less than 1%. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 4 14:42:46 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jul 4 13:45:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hey D-LO References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:da4iq6$va7$1@news.spamcop.net... > > No, I said that had I purchased the modem from a 3rd party (Fry's > > Electronics) I'd be screwed. > > Why, what would have been wrong with the 3rd party modem? Or are you > saying it would be incompatible for some reason? In that case it > would have been your fault for not finding out about compatibility in > the first place! Besides which, you've not been able to actually buy > modems until fairly recently except from your provider. Or from licensed dealers, like where I bought mine. If it hadn't of worked, you bet your bippy I would have demanded (and gotten) a replacement at no cost! From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Jul 4 14:44:56 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Jul 4 13:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] REDNECK SPECIAL FORCES Message-ID: The Pentagon announced today the formation of a new 500-Man elite fighting unit called the U. S.REDNECK SPECIAL FORCES (USRSF). These North Carolina, Kentucky, West Virginia,Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Arkansas, Alabama, Georgia, Texas and Tennessee boys will be dropped into Iraq and will have been given only the following facts about the Terrorists: 1. The season opened today 2. There is no limit 3. They taste just like chicken 4. They don't like beer, pickups, country music, pig BBQ or Jesus 5. They are DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for the death of Dale Earnhardt This mess in Iraq should be over IN A WEEK. Long live Rednecks! From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Jul 4 14:49:45 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Jul 4 13:55:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: "indigo" | | Me too -- you can't hit me if you can't catch me! Ok beat this bullet to the corner. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 4 15:20:02 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jul 4 14:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "Eponym" wrote: > > > You're assuming the UN would get involved. Remember, their NGO > > types left once already after getting bombed. They didn't even > > have any forces there for the Iraqis to get upset about. Given the > > current unrest, I doubt any nation would contribute forces for fear > > of casualities. > > If they refused, then we'd have a legitimate reason for being > there. That horse has already fled the barn... From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 4 15:23:15 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jul 4 14:25:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: Eponym wrote: > "David Dean" wrote in message > news:ozchzhq02-BF8746.12245903072005@frylock.local... > > > > It is easy to be a nay sayer. How do you think we could live up to > > our responsibility and still minimize casualties? > > > > What responsibility? They don't want us there! > > http://www.modbee.com/24hour/global/story/2530405p-10910596c.html > > Pay attention to the last paragraph. Ok, this is just so wrong for so many reasons it's no wonder they want us out of there..... "Troops have commandeered houses and schools to sleep in and park tanks on major roads, according to an Associated Press reporter at the scene. When Marines could not break the locks on houses, they often used explosives to blow holes through front doors and gates" From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Mon Jul 4 19:44:02 2005 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Mon Jul 4 14:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: HeyBub on 04/07/2005 wrote: > Miss Betsy wrote: > > > > And what would the 'rest of the world' impose on the US as victors? > > What would they put in place of democracy (actually the US form of > > government is not pure democracy)? What would they put in place of > > freedom of religion? > > Let me guess: Islam? Or was that a trick question? It is against the Islamic law to proslertate religion i.e. force a person to embrace another religion including Islam. Extremist who do this in the name of Islam are condemned as being very bad Muslims or even said to have put themselves outside the embrace of Islam. Rob From eponym at I.hate.spam.com Mon Jul 4 15:46:26 2005 From: eponym at I.hate.spam.com (Eponym) Date: Mon Jul 4 14:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dabuqj$okg$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> What responsibility? They don't want us there! >> >> http://www.modbee.com/24hour/global/story/2530405p-10910596c.html >> >> Pay attention to the last paragraph. > > Ok, this is just so wrong for so many reasons it's no wonder they want us > out of there..... > > "Troops have commandeered houses and schools to sleep in and park tanks on > major roads, according to an Associated Press reporter at the scene. When > Marines could not break the locks on houses, they often used explosives to > blow holes through front doors and gates" > We're really making ourselves welcome there, huh? The longer we stay, the more resentment we cause. I really can't see why anyone would think we should stay there. From bystander at anonymous.bystander Mon Jul 4 19:52:01 2005 From: bystander at anonymous.bystander (Anonymous Bystander) Date: Mon Jul 4 14:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] one idea of hell References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > http://pages.sbcglobal.net/cowoflight/home.html > > don't click on the pictures. instead click on the links that say 'kitchen' > and so on > > if I were this kid, I'd take this stuff outside when the folks were out and > burn it, especially the stuffed toys that form a 3ft thick wall in the > bedroom > > LOL! What kind of l0ser would waste the time hunting this stuff down on the Internet? You and your butt-buddy Heidi don't have ANY sort of life of your own, do you? From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 4 15:53:44 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jul 4 14:55:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: Eponym wrote: > My original statement centered more on taxes, population, and power. > States with more population tend to pay more of the taxes. States > with more population also have more power in the House by virtue of > the number of representatives they send. If you have trouble > understanding that, read the Constitution. Whether or not they > actually exercise that power to ensure that their states get back a > proportional amount of the taxes collected is immaterial. Who's that king of pork? Sen. Byrd of WV? He sure as hell plays the game in the interests of WV vs. what's better for the general US population...... From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 4 16:30:07 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jul 4 15:35:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: IE Spyad References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:da45cr$lo0$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > I ain't one of them, the ick factor is too much for me......my > > terlets are kept spotless. Body hair on the floor is a different > > issue..... > > How *much* body hair.....? Talk about ICK factor....... Erm, I gotta lot of it.....not on my back though, thank $diety! From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 4 16:31:21 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jul 4 15:35:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: IE Spyad References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > let's just say he doesn't need any carpets as the floor has a nice > carpet of short and curlies LOL heh. you want to gag, come see carpet near the the head of my bed when I move it to clean the carpets or turnover the mattress and box springs....oy! From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 4 16:35:33 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jul 4 15:40:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Runaway Bride has a price References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:d97205$k2l$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > How did they hold you down? > > > > I screamed alot......had at least 6-7 fillings by the time I was > > 14...... > > I'm wondering now how many of them weren't even necessary! Oh, they were necessary all right....soft teeth and a severe sweet tooth when I was a kid..... From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 4 16:40:23 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jul 4 15:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Troops not impressed? References: Message-ID: Canopus wrote: > > Firstly my source. She is > a journalist of excellent repute who once worked for the Guardian That online rag? You've got to be kidding me -- you consider *that* a trusted source!?! and > I know from personal experience she does not sanction any on the fly > statements that come from poor research. So saying that, I asked her > about the accuracy of what she sent me, this is what she had to say, > quote: > > "Re your blinkered/challenged/in denial e-contacts. It's all there > about Iraq on the Internet and from some impeccable sources. Ah, it's on the INTERNET! Therefore it must be true! Sorry, Rob.....but she's gotta do better than that. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 4 16:43:23 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jul 4 15:45:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pretty cool capsize and recovery References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > Everybody is familiar with common table salt, NaCl (sodium chloride). > I know you can make salt with Potassium too (KCl, potassium > chloride). I know that KCl is safe to eat (it's still salt, after > all), but I've always wondered what it tasted like. A friend says it > tastes somewhat metallic. One of my friends parents were substituting KCl for NaCl to try to deal with his father's high BP -- KCl is pretty tasteless, I probably ended up dumping 3 times the amount of it on my mashed taters to get the equivalent taste effect -- kind of counterproductive, dontcha think? From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 4 16:48:51 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jul 4 15:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Karl Rove outed CIA operative Valerie Plame? References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > Amazing that the Republican Administration's Justice Department has > taken over two years to determine which of six people working in the > White House within 100 feet of the Oval Office was the criminal. No > wonder they can't find Osama Bin Laden! > "And I know I'm going to get pulled into the grand jury for saying > this but the source of...for Matt Cooper was Karl Rove, and that will > be revealed in this document dump that Time magazine's going to do > with the grand jury." How shocking.....not......I'll be interested to see how this plays out. 50 quatloos sez he gets off scot-free. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 4 16:51:45 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jul 4 15:55:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: one idea of hell References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > http://pages.sbcglobal.net/cowoflight/home.html > > don't click on the pictures. instead click on the links that say > 'kitchen' and so on Heh. Said contents of the kitchen remind me of what ol' Petey's dorm room must have looked like (minus the beer in the fridge, of course ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 4 16:53:12 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jul 4 15:55:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: one idea of hell References: Message-ID: Eponym wrote: > > The main rooms are not nearly as bad as that Crazy Ebay Mom one from > awhile back. At least a person can sit in a variety of places > without having to move 500lbs of crap. Love the downstairs > bathroom...plently of toilet paper handy. The bedrooms are a > disaster though and rival the Ebay mom. I would go stark raving mad if I had to stay in that house for one day, let alone 17 years...... From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 4 16:56:30 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Jul 4 16:00:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "indigo" > | > | Me too -- you can't hit me if you can't catch me! > > Ok beat this bullet to the corner. I'll just dodge it ala Neo from the Matrix....... From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Jul 4 16:55:43 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Jul 4 16:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pretty cool capsize and recovery References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dac3gr$rf7$1@news.spamcop.net... | | | Borgholio wrote: | > Everybody is familiar with common table salt, NaCl (sodium chloride). | > I know you can make salt with Potassium too (KCl, potassium | > chloride). I know that KCl is safe to eat (it's still salt, after | > all), but I've always wondered what it tasted like. A friend says it | > tastes somewhat metallic. | | One of my friends parents were substituting KCl for NaCl to try to deal with | his father's high BP -- KCl is pretty tasteless, I probably ended up dumping | 3 times the amount of it on my mashed taters to get the equivalent taste | effect -- kind of counterproductive, dontcha think? | Except that the body needs more K than Na. Might suggest they look into a product called Mrs. Dash www.mrsdash.com does not do much for mash potatoes but does make the lack of salt in cooking a non issue. I don't have a problem with salt levels but do like this in scrambled eggs and other foods. From johnl at spamcop.net Mon Jul 4 21:29:41 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Mon Jul 4 16:30:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] How to give a Cat/Dog a pill Message-ID: How To Give A Cat A Pill 1. Pick up cat and cradle it in the crook of your left arm as if holding a baby. Position right forefinger and thumb on either side of cat's mouth and gently apply pressure to cheeks while holding pill in right hand. As cat opens mouth, pop pill into mouth. Allow cat to close mouth and swallow. 2. Retrieve pill from floor and cat from behind sofa. Cradle cat in left arm and repeat process. 3. Retrieve cat from bedroom, and throw soggy pill away. 4. Take new pill from foil wrap, cradle cat in left arm, holding rear paws tightly with left hand. Force jaws open and push pill to back of mouth with right forefinger. Hold mouth shut for a count of ten. 5. Retrieve pill from goldfish bowl and cat from top of wardrobe. Call spouse from garden. 6. Kneel on floor with cat wedged firmly between knees, hold front and rear paws. Ignore low growls emitted by cat. Get spouse to hold head firmly with one hand while forcing wooden ruler into mouth. Drop pill down ruler and rub cat's throat vigorously. 7. Retrieve cat from curtain rail, get another pill from foil wrap. Make note to buy new ruler and repair curtains. Carefully sweep shattered figurines and vases from hearth and set to one side for gluing later. 8. Wrap cat in large towel and get spouse to lie on cat with head just visible from below armpit. Put pill in end of drinking straw, force mouth open with pencil and blow down drinking straw. 9. Check label to make sure pill not harmful to humans, drink 1 beer to take taste away. Apply Band-Aid to spouse's forearm and remove blood from carpet with cold water and soap. 10. Retrieve cat from neighbor's shed. Get another pill. Open another beer. Place cat in cupboard, and close door on to neck, to leave head showing. Force mouth open with dessert spoon. Flick pill down throat with elastic band. 11. Fetch screwdriver from garage and put cupboard door back on hinges. Drink beer. Fetch bottle of scotch. Pour shot, drink. Apply cold compress to cheek and check records for date of last tetanus shot. Apply whiskey compress to cheek to disinfect. Toss back another shot. Throw Tee shirt away and fetch new one from bedroom. 12. Call fire department to retrieve the damn cat from across the road. Apologize to neighbor who crashed into fence while swerving to avoid cat. Take last pill from foil wrap. 13. Tie the little bastard's front paws to rear paws with garden twine and bind tightly to leg of dining table, find heavy-duty pruning gloves from shed. Push pill into mouth followed by large piece of filet steak. Be rough about it. Hold head vertically and pour 2 pints of water down throat to wash pill down. 14. Consume remainder of scotch. Get spouse to drive you to the emergency room, sit quietly while doctor stitches fingers and forearm and removes pill remnants from right eye. Call furniture shop on way home to order new table. 15. Arrange for SPCA to collect mutant cat from hell and call local pet shop to see if they have any hamsters. How To Give A Dog A Pill 1. Wrap it in bacon. 2. Toss it in the air. From borgholio at storymind.com Mon Jul 4 15:51:56 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Mon Jul 4 17:55:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: one idea of hell In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Eponym wrote: > >>The main rooms are not nearly as bad as that Crazy Ebay Mom one from >>awhile back. At least a person can sit in a variety of places >>without having to move 500lbs of crap. Love the downstairs >>bathroom...plently of toilet paper handy. The bedrooms are a >>disaster though and rival the Ebay mom. > > > I would go stark raving mad if I had to stay in that house for one day, let > alone 17 years...... > > Me + my digital camera + ebay + the Recycler (local classified ads) + garage sale = clean house in one month. From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Jul 5 00:37:59 2005 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Mon Jul 4 18:40:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "HeyBub" wrote in message news:dabdpa$g5p$1@news.spamcop.net... > Miss Betsy wrote: >> > > That supposes that multinational corporations NEED to be curbed. > Well, I think they've proved time and time again that they surely do........ From agent01413 at my-deja.com Mon Jul 4 23:40:55 2005 From: agent01413 at my-deja.com (Socks) Date: Mon Jul 4 18:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: one idea of hell References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in news:dabqos$meb$1@news.spamcop.net: > http://pages.sbcglobal.net/cowoflight/home.html > > don't click on the pictures. instead click on the links that say > 'kitchen' and so on > > if I were this kid, I'd take this stuff outside when the folks were > out and burn it, especially the stuffed toys that form a 3ft thick > wall in the bedroom > > > I think I can safely guess that they like coca-cola. Fridge is much neater than ours. From johnl at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 00:01:30 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Mon Jul 4 19:05:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: Charles <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:Xns9689C0924792TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: > No way it was me! It was "indigo" ! > >> No, Charles will claim > > Will he? Aw, come on, make your claim. From johnl at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 00:14:04 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Mon Jul 4 19:15:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: Charles <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:Xns9689C3394CE64TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: > Can't I just stake my claim? I'll take that one - the one over there in > the sundress... I like the two piece myself. ;-) From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Tue Jul 5 00:42:55 2005 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Mon Jul 4 19:45:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Troops not impressed? References: Message-ID: indigo on 04/07/2005 wrote: > > > Canopus wrote: > > > > > Firstly my source. She is > > a journalist of excellent repute who once worked for the Guardian > > That online rag? You've got to be kidding me -- you consider that a > trusted source!?! > > and > > I know from personal experience she does not sanction any on the fly > > statements that come from poor research. So saying that, I asked > > her about the accuracy of what she sent me, this is what she had to > > say, quote: > > > > "Re your blinkered/challenged/in denial e-contacts. It's all there > > about Iraq on the Internet and from some impeccable sources. > > Ah, it's on the INTERNET! Therefore it must be true! Sorry, > Rob.....but she's gotta do better than that. Well if you outright shouldn't trust a newspaper that has a very good record for accurate reporting and if you outright shouldn't trust anything you see on the Internet even though the validity of a source is reassured by a close friend that knows the source well and in turn one also knows is honest and accurate then you are in somewhat of a Zen situation. One must now ask oneself if anything one sees or hears is any sort of reflection of reality or are we in some very clever virtual cyber reality albeit one which the programmer of it was a bit glaringly careless with the fine details of the story line. Is there any source of information that you believe/trust? Rob From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Jul 4 20:52:24 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Jul 4 19:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns9689AF515841Djohnlspamcopnet@216.154.195.61... | Charles <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in | news:Xns9689C3394CE64TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: | | > Can't I just stake my claim? I'll take that one - the one over there in | > the sundress... | | I like the two piece myself. ;-) I *hope* you're not referring to Brooks Brothers From johnl at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 00:56:39 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Mon Jul 4 20:00:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in news:daci4g$3tu$1@news.spamcop.net: > > "JohnL" wrote in message > news:Xns9689AF515841Djohnlspamcopnet@216.154.195.61... >| >| I like the two piece myself. ;-) > > I *hope* you're not referring to Brooks Brothers > > I KNEW I'd pay for what I wrote. Oh well, I'll still take what's _IN_ the two piece! ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 4 18:09:03 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Mon Jul 4 20:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] MTV's Live 8 coverage was total CRAP! Message-ID: Having seen Live Aid courtesy of the BBC back in 1985, I was utterly disappointed by MTV's efforts of covering Live 8. They are totally and utterly clueless! I can only hope they put Live 8 out on DVD soon rather than in 20 years! From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 4 18:23:36 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Mon Jul 4 20:25:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: one idea of hell References: Message-ID: "Eponym" wrote in message news:dabs2i$n8l$1@news.spamcop.net... > The main rooms are not nearly as bad as that Crazy Ebay Mom one from awhile > back. At least a person can sit in a variety of places without having to > move 500lbs of crap. Love the downstairs bathroom...plently of toilet paper > handy. The bedrooms are a disaster though and rival the Ebay mom. Agreed. But she's well on her way! I thought the brown stuff coating some of the items that hadn't been moved in a long time was rather disturbing! From eponym at I.hate.spam.com Mon Jul 4 21:29:05 2005 From: eponym at I.hate.spam.com (Eponym) Date: Mon Jul 4 20:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: one idea of hell References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:dacju8$4q0$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Eponym" wrote in message > news:dabs2i$n8l$1@news.spamcop.net... > > The main rooms are not nearly as bad as that Crazy Ebay Mom one from > awhile >> back. At least a person can sit in a variety of places without having to >> move 500lbs of crap. Love the downstairs bathroom...plently of toilet > paper >> handy. The bedrooms are a disaster though and rival the Ebay mom. > > Agreed. But she's well on her way! I thought the brown stuff coating some > of > the items that hadn't been moved in a long time was rather disturbing! > Cat and dog feces? I can't see having 2 cats and a dog in that mess! I'd be surprised if they don't knock stuff over all the time. I'd go nuts. Gotta love people like that though....they make me look so domesticated. :o) From heybub at gmail.com Mon Jul 4 20:35:17 2005 From: heybub at gmail.com (HeyBub) Date: Mon Jul 4 20:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: Canopus wrote: > HeyBub on 04/07/2005 wrote: > >> Miss Betsy wrote: >>> >>> And what would the 'rest of the world' impose on the US as victors? >>> What would they put in place of democracy (actually the US form of >>> government is not pure democracy)? What would they put in place of >>> freedom of religion? >> >> Let me guess: Islam? Or was that a trick question? > > It is against the Islamic law to proslertate religion i.e. force a > person to embrace another religion including Islam. Extremist who do > this in the name of Islam are condemned as being very bad Muslims or > even said to have put themselves outside the embrace of Islam. > Giggle. You know, of course, you can't even bring a Koran into Saudia Arabia unless it was printed in Saudia Arabia? From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Jul 4 21:36:04 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Dave Lerner) Date: Mon Jul 4 20:40:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: one idea of hell In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote on 07/04/2005 01:14 PM: > http://pages.sbcglobal.net/cowoflight/home.html In the third picture on the living room page, is that a real cat? From eponym at I.hate.spam.com Mon Jul 4 21:46:28 2005 From: eponym at I.hate.spam.com (Eponym) Date: Mon Jul 4 20:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: one idea of hell References: Message-ID: "Dave Lerner" wrote in message news:dackli$56b$1@news.spamcop.net... > Sylvesterthekat wrote on 07/04/2005 01:14 PM: >> http://pages.sbcglobal.net/cowoflight/home.html > > In the third picture on the living room page, is that a real cat? Yeah....he's not as ornery in the 4th pic. There are a couple of other pics with that cat in view. From bystander at anonymous.bystander Tue Jul 5 03:14:36 2005 From: bystander at anonymous.bystander (Anonymous Bystander) Date: Mon Jul 4 22:15:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: MTV's Live 8 coverage was total CRAP! References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Having seen Live Aid courtesy of the BBC back in 1985, I was utterly > disappointed by MTV's efforts of covering Live 8. They are totally and > utterly clueless! I can only hope they put Live 8 out on DVD soon rather > than in 20 years! > > If their coverate was "total CRAP" then why are you hoping they put it out on DVD soon? St00pid bitch. From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Jul 4 23:39:13 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Jul 4 22:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: MTV's Live 8 coverage was total CRAP! References: Message-ID: "Anonymous Bystander" wrote in message news:dacqdf$8bs$3@news.spamcop.net... | Sylvesterthekat wrote: | > Having seen Live Aid courtesy of the BBC back in 1985, I was utterly | > disappointed by MTV's efforts of covering Live 8. They are totally and | > utterly clueless! I can only hope they put Live 8 out on DVD soon rather | > than in 20 years! | > | > | | If their coverage was "total CRAP" then why are you hoping they put it out | on DVD soon? | Perhaps because the people putting the DVD together have clue? From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 02:32:47 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Cat) Date: Tue Jul 5 02:35:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > Can't I just stake my claim? I don't know why, but I misread that as "clam" at first instead of "claim." Although I'm sure you could find something profound to say about clams. Isn't clam chowder big in your neck of the woods? > I'll take that one - the one over there in > the sundress... Er, sundress? From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Tue Jul 5 10:46:03 2005 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Tue Jul 5 05:50:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: HeyBub on 05/07/2005 wrote: > Canopus wrote: > > HeyBub on 04/07/2005 wrote: > > > > > Miss Betsy wrote: > > > > > > > > And what would the 'rest of the world' impose on the US as > > > > victors? What would they put in place of democracy (actually > > > > the US form of government is not pure democracy)? What would > > > > they put in place of freedom of religion? > > > > > > Let me guess: Islam? Or was that a trick question? > > > > It is against the Islamic law to proslertate religion i.e. force a > > person to embrace another religion including Islam. Extremist who > > do this in the name of Islam are condemned as being very bad > > Muslims or even said to have put themselves outside the embrace of > > Islam. > > > > Giggle. > > You know, of course, you can't even bring a Koran into Saudia Arabia > unless it was printed in Saudia Arabia? And you can't take a map into Morocco that shows the Western Sahara belonging to Lybia not Morocco on pain of arrest. From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Tue Jul 5 10:56:40 2005 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Tue Jul 5 06:00:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: Canopus on 05/07/2005 wrote: > And you can't take a map into Morocco that shows the Western Sahara > belonging to Lybia not Morocco on pain of arrest. Oops, that should read ...you can't take a map into Morocco that shows the Western Sahara belonging to Spain not Morocco... From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Tue Jul 5 11:21:12 2005 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Tue Jul 5 06:25:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Comprehending Engineers - Take 2 References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in news:da7f2f$eug$6@news.spamcop.net: > > Like having a, spare keg in the frig in the shed in case the one in > the house fridge kicks? > > > Warm beer can be bad for your health. :-) From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Tue Jul 5 12:15:50 2005 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Tue Jul 5 07:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: one idea of hell References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in news:dac438$rop$1@news.spamcop.net: > > I would go stark raving mad if I had to stay in that house for one > day, let alone 17 years...... > > Did you see all that Cocacola crap? Un-freakin-believable. I would of gone and rob a bank.. jail would of been a better place to save my sanity. Screw that. Geez. From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Tue Jul 5 12:16:50 2005 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Tue Jul 5 07:20:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: one idea of hell References: Message-ID: Dave Lerner wrote in news:dackli$56b$1 @news.spamcop.net: > Sylvesterthekat wrote on 07/04/2005 01:14 PM: >> http://pages.sbcglobal.net/cowoflight/home.html > > In the third picture on the living room page, is that a real cat? With all the stuffed animals, makes you wonder what is real and what isn't. :-p From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 08:16:00 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Tue Jul 5 08:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: > > There are just as many greedy, unscrupulous people among other > > nations as there are in the US. > > Some places are much worse. Most of the Middle East and all of Africa, for > example. I doubt that. What greedy, unscrupulous people want to do is allowed there more than in the US perhaps, but the number of people who are greedy and unscrupulous is probably about the same. Miss Betsy From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 09:32:31 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 5 08:35:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was JohnL ! > > Charles <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in > > news:Xns9689C3394CE64TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: > > > >> Can't I just stake my claim? I'll take that one - the one over > >> there in the sundress... > > > > I like the two piece myself. ;-) > > Ah, but you can have the sundress as one piece alone. Naughty but not > usually naughty enough to get you arrested... Sundress with nothing else on underneath......hmmmm....... From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 09:35:00 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 5 08:35:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Troops not impressed? References: Message-ID: Canopus wrote: > > Is there any source of information that you believe/trust? > The BBC and sometimes the PBS.......and stories investigated by reporters from my local paper (they've won quite a few rewards for investigative reporting, something most TV news and a lot of papers don't bother to do anymore). From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 09:33:20 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Jul 5 08:40:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Comprehending Engineers - Take 2 References: Message-ID: "Redstone" | > | > Like having a, spare keg in the frig in the shed in case the one in | > the house fridge kicks? | | Warm beer can be bad for your health. :-) It ain't rocket science. That's why the spare keg is in a frig in the shed. From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Tue Jul 5 14:13:26 2005 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Tue Jul 5 09:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Troops not impressed? References: Message-ID: indigo on 05/07/2005 wrote: > > > Canopus wrote: > > > > Is there any source of information that you believe/trust? > > > The BBC and sometimes the PBS.......and stories investigated by > reporters from my local paper (they've won quite a few rewards for > investigative reporting, something most TV news and a lot of papers > don't bother to do anymore). The BBC...funded by the government, must be unbiased and accurate. Why favour your local paper over the Guardian as far as accuracy is concerned after all both papers have won awards over investigative reporting? If it is because you know someone on that paper, know their character and hence trust them and from them have verified its accuracy then what is the difference between that and my experiences and trust in my friend who knows the source of the material I posted. Do you also not trust Channel 4 news even though that program has also won awards for investigative journalism. If you do consider Channel 4 news as being pretty accurate then they too have run many stories in the same vein as the article I posted. Even the BBC has run stories on our and US troops abusing Iraqi civilians and on many occasions have reported on how our or US troops have shot innocent civilians such as the family with kids that were shot and killed without warning while driving in their car the other day. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 10:21:00 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Neil) Date: Tue Jul 5 09:25:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: MTV's Live 8 coverage was total CRAP! References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:dacj2v$4g4$1@news.spamcop.net... > Having seen Live Aid courtesy of the BBC back in 1985, I was utterly > disappointed by MTV's efforts of covering Live 8. They are totally and > utterly clueless! I can only hope they put Live 8 out on DVD soon rather > than in 20 years! > > Agreed. Cutting away from Floyd in the middle of their set to listen to the prattling of two crap MTV/VH1 presenters before going to commercial break.... *that* is why I miss the BBC. FWIW, the BBC showed the entire show in the UK without commericals. I also can't wait for the DVD. What a huge disappointment. It just didn't feel like a live show, even when they were showing bits live. Luckily I'm going to see U2 and Coldplay live later this year. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 10:37:29 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Jul 5 09:40:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dabqs3$mfq$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Most of the "4WD" vehicles sold these days don't have true 4WD with locking > differentials, they have this cheesy traction control type "all wheel > drive", which is not really "4WD" by any means. Your tiny FWD does good in > the snow because it has all the engine weight over the driven wheels. Hint: > if you *really* have trouble getting up a slippery hill try going up > backwards, in reverse -- works like a charm (only recommended when there are > not a lot of other vehicles around ;-) FWD is "ok" in the snow, very little snow, but I commuted to Boston and thereabouts for a total of 9 years or so in small FWD Nissans, and on I95, hitting those little snow humps left by the snowplows were enough to send my car flying across lanes I didn't want to be in. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 10:40:00 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Jul 5 09:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:da4kbl$b9$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Oh I don't know about that. My observation is merely that of physical > reality. If you're in a big SUV, you're less likely to see a small Miata. If > you also happen to be a somewhat incompetent driver, you're also going to be > more likely to hit that small Miata because a) you didn't see it and b) > you're less able to accurately maneuver a large SUV than you would a smaller > more agile car (which would be more forgiving of your lack of skill). Someone parked near your car and hitting it on the way by has no excuse for "not seeing it", part of being a responsible driver is being aware of the vehicles around you. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 10:43:02 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Jul 5 09:45:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dabq0a$m1h$1@news.spamcop.net... > > We're not as nearly affected by the backdraft from 18 wheelers because our > cars are areodynamic, as opposed to a Trailblazer having tall flat sides > that act like sails...... Hey, I used to be "WE"! I know what it feels like to be blown off the road by big trucks, having them blow you around in either vehicle is not comforting, it's slightly less frightening in a bigger vehicle not to see their wheels at eye level........ From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 08:01:39 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue Jul 5 10:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: one idea of hell References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dac40h$roh$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > http://pages.sbcglobal.net/cowoflight/home.html > > > > don't click on the pictures. instead click on the links that say > > 'kitchen' and so on > > Heh. Said contents of the kitchen remind me of what ol' Petey's dorm room > must have looked like (minus the beer in the fridge, of course ;-) LOL, all the Coke bottles you mean? From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 11:58:23 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 5 11:00:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Troops not impressed? References: Message-ID: Canopus wrote: > The BBC...funded by the government, must be unbiased and accurate. > Why favour your local paper over the Guardian as far as accuracy is > concerned after all both papers have won awards over investigative > reporting? If it is because you know someone on that paper, know > their character and hence trust them and from them have verified its > accuracy then what is the difference between that and my experiences > and trust in my friend who knows the source of the material I posted. Well, yeah, it's kinda like that -- I recognize the names of the reporters and trust them > Do you also not trust Channel 4 news even though that program has > also won awards for investigative journalism. If you do consider > Channel 4 news as being pretty accurate then they too have run many > stories in the same vein as the article I posted. Even the BBC has > run stories on our and US troops abusing Iraqi civilians and on many > occasions have reported on how our or US troops have shot innocent > civilians such as the family with kids that were shot and killed > without warning while driving in their car the other day. All media has reported accidental shootings of Iraqi motorists for failing to stop and/or follow directions at roadblocks. Sad, but true. If I were manning a roadblock and some potential car bomber was approaching me and failed to stop I'd fill his car full of bullet holes too -- this *is* a war zone, afterall. If this hospital rampage story is true, how come I haven't seen or heard it mentioned anywhere else? From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 11:59:48 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 5 11:00:17 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: MTV's Live 8 coverage was total CRAP! References: Message-ID: Neil wrote: Luckily I'm going to see U2 > and Coldplay live later this year. Kind of overkill, isn't it? Coldplay is just a poor man's U2, afterall...without the talent and songwriting skills.... From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 12:04:14 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 5 11:05:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > FWD is "ok" in the snow, very little snow, but I commuted to Boston > and thereabouts for a total of 9 years or so in small FWD Nissans, > and on I95, hitting those little snow humps left by the snowplows > were enough to send my car flying across lanes I didn't want to be in. If those little snow humps sent your car "flying across lanes", might I suggest you were traveling too fast for the conditions? From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 12:06:30 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 5 11:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:dabq0a$m1h$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > We're not as nearly affected by the backdraft from 18 wheelers > > because our cars are areodynamic, as opposed to a Trailblazer > > having tall flat sides that act like sails...... > > Hey, I used to be "WE"! TINW! Actually, I was referring to S-kat's 911 and my Acura...... I know what it feels like to be blown off > the road by big trucks, having them blow you around in either vehicle > is not comforting, it's slightly less frightening in a bigger vehicle > not to see their wheels at eye level........ Honest to god, I do not feel or detect any affects from passing semi's on the highway, that's how good the areodynamics of my car are. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 12:06:51 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 5 11:10:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: one idea of hell References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:dac40h$roh$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > > > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > > http://pages.sbcglobal.net/cowoflight/home.html > > > > > > don't click on the pictures. instead click on the links that say > > > 'kitchen' and so on > > > > Heh. Said contents of the kitchen remind me of what ol' Petey's > > dorm room must have looked like (minus the beer in the fridge, of > > course ;-) > > LOL, all the Coke bottles you mean? and Doritos, chips, etc...... From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 12:05:51 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Jul 5 11:10:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: MTV's Live 8 coverage was total CRAP! References: Message-ID: "Neil" wrote in message news:dae1ft$su0$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Agreed. Cutting away from Floyd in the middle of their set to listen to the > prattling of two crap MTV/VH1 presenters before going to commercial > break.... *that* is why I miss the BBC. Don't know if you noticed, but instead of joining in, BBC America ran marathon reruns of Monty Python....allllll.....weekend......long........ From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 12:23:09 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Neil) Date: Tue Jul 5 11:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: MTV's Live 8 coverage was total CRAP! References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:dae7mh$137$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Neil" wrote in message > news:dae1ft$su0$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > Agreed. Cutting away from Floyd in the middle of their set to listen to the > > prattling of two crap MTV/VH1 presenters before going to commercial > > break.... *that* is why I miss the BBC. > > Don't know if you noticed, but instead of joining in, BBC America ran marathon reruns > of Monty Python....allllll.....weekend......long........ > > Yes, well, what do you expect from a station that took Eastenders off the air after blaming poor viewing figures, when they chose to show the entire week's worth of programmes during the day, on a Saturday. What a bunch of tossers. Someone at BBCA really needs to get a clue. Do they really think that US viewers still want to see Monty Python, Benny Hill, and Fawlty Towers after all these years? ::sheesh:: From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 12:26:24 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Neil) Date: Tue Jul 5 11:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: MTV's Live 8 coverage was total CRAP! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dae794$r4$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Neil wrote: > Luckily I'm going to see U2 > > and Coldplay live later this year. > > Kind of overkill, isn't it? Coldplay is just a poor man's U2, > afterall...without the talent and songwriting skills.... > > I'm really looking forward to both shows. Coldplay will be outside so provided it doesn't rain... I wanted to see New Order this year, but the only east coast date was in New York, within a week of the birth of my first child. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 09:37:44 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue Jul 5 11:40:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The Biggest Concert in the History of the Universe References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" <35zyuhr02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:da68ra$r9q$1@news.spamcop.net... > Or so they keep saying about every 15 seconds. I love my DVR though, I > can just zip through the boring stuff tomorrow when it is all done. I > have to say that Coldplay was actually mostly bearable which really > surprised me. It helped quite a bit that 1/3 of their set was actually > the guy from Verve and Bitter Sweet Symphony (you know, the one that the > Rolling Stones killed the band with). Consider yourself fortunate to have seen it on BBC TV and not MTV. At least you had the choice of seeing things or not. What's wrong with Coldplay anyway? I rather like them! Not that I saw anything of their bit on Live8 except where they did Bittersweet Symphony. > But you know, the thing I really want to know, what everybody should be > wondering about, is what in the world did Bjork do to her face? I > couldn't find a picture that showed the true horror, this was the best > one I could find: > http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-07/02/xin_0707020217267501092918.jpg > It just doesn't capture what I saw on tv at all. Not good plastic > surgery at all. I only saw a brief snippet of her (maybe 10 seconds) in MTV's 'highlights' reel. It looked like she was wearing some sort of odd make up to me. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 09:41:50 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue Jul 5 11:45:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: MTV's Live 8 coverage was total CRAP! References: Message-ID: "Neil" wrote in message news:dae1ft$su0$1@news.spamcop.net... > Agreed. Cutting away from Floyd in the middle of their set to listen to the > prattling of two crap MTV/VH1 presenters before going to commercial > break.... *that* is why I miss the BBC. Yeah, and they did the same thing with Madonna. And what did they do with the big finale?! ARGH! > FWIW, the BBC showed the entire show in the UK without commericals. I also > can't wait for the DVD. Yes, I recall how Live Aid was presented and remember being just totally glued to the TV for at least 12 hours. My friend in the UK was similarly glued to the TV this past weekend. They didn't even show a snippet of Robbie Williams over here! > What a huge disappointment. It just didn't feel like a live show, even when > they were showing bits live. Luckily I'm going to see U2 and Coldplay live > later this year. Yeah, the only bit I enjoyed was the Floyd segment because you began to get into it due to lack of interruptions! You bastard. I hate you now! How did you manage to get the U2 tickets?! From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 12:42:27 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Jul 5 11:45:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: MTV's Live 8 coverage was total CRAP! References: Message-ID: "Neil" wrote in message news:dae8ku$1k9$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Yes, well, what do you expect from a station that took Eastenders off the > air after blaming poor viewing figures, when they chose to show the entire > week's worth of programmes during the day, on a Saturday. What a bunch of > tossers. They claim that no one should feel bad, they can still see Eastenders, on DISH......assholes. I tried hard not to get sucked in, but it didn't work.... > > Someone at BBCA really needs to get a clue. Do they really think that US > viewers still want to see Monty Python, Benny Hill, and Fawlty Towers after > all these years? ::sheesh:: They have NO clue, that's why when they run a special, they run it twice in one night, back to back or within an hour of the first one, presumably because we're all so stupid we won't remember what we just saw. The latest joke is Ramsey's Kitchen Nightmares revisited - he's supposed to go back to these restaurants he's helped to see if they're still succeeding. The first 50 minutes is a rehash of the first show, the other 9 minutes is new footage, if it's even that much. Bloody waste of time, and he's an obnoxious arsehole anyway. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 09:47:22 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue Jul 5 11:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Pretty cool capsize and recovery References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:da4pmh$3jp$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > news:da4o01$2dn$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > But... why were boats there? Does this thing form underwater or something? > > I'm most intrigued LOL > > Maybe this one? > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/03/980325075307.htm Wow.. that is FREAKY! I love stuff like this LOL. Probably explains why I did well in Geography at school. It's just fascinating. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 09:49:44 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue Jul 5 11:50:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9686D318641F6TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was "Sylvesterthekat" ! > > > Perhaps you should amend that to 'everyone who doesn't drive one > > despises people who drive SUVs'. But I only despise those SUV drivers > > who drive excessively large SUVs, who drive them incompetently and/or > > who do not actually need anything larger than a regular car. > > Spare us - obviously every SUV is excessively large. It is all subjective, > of course, and yet you, as an SUV driver, have a chip on your shoulder > against those with larger-still SUVs? And yet we, who do not drive SUVs at > all, have no such rights? Sigh. ah yes, my SUV-Miata that I drive. Probably the worlds smallest known SUV. Not all SUVs are excessively large, in my opinion. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 09:51:03 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue Jul 5 11:55:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ok, this is sick...... References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:da4pqr$3l2$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > news:da492p$o4c$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > What, like his affliction will transfer itself to me by osmosis or > > something? > > No, by brainwashing, and having a "minder" follow you around all the time... Oh but I merely shook his hand! From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 09:52:56 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue Jul 5 11:55:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: "Heidi" wrote in message news:da4qcl$45h$1@news.spamcop.net... > In the Miata you could just go UNDER the truck, problem solved... ;) LOL. Maybe. Or be decapitated trying. From Ilgaz at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 19:56:06 2005 From: Ilgaz at spamcop.net (Ilgaz Ocal) Date: Tue Jul 5 12:00:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Nigerian Mail Conference Message-ID: Hi, I better steal an article from usenet and paste here ;) (op data ROT13'ed as I don't have his permission) Ilgaz Sebz: "nef_jn8zrn@argmreb.pbz" Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Subject: Nigerian E-mail Conference! Date: 23 Jun 2005 19:47:52 -0700 This is just about as funny as the "Negro Sapce Program".... http://j-walk.com/other/conf/ 73, Ovyy - JN8ZRN From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 09:57:05 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue Jul 5 12:00:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-1C28BB.22581001072005@news.cesmail.net... > How would either of those solutions be less partisan? Do you think the > current House and/or Senate could be "fair and balanced" in choosing a > justice if the selection were solely in their hands? It would have to be less partisan than in the hands of the President alone to come up with the initial nominee. Maybe the Prez should propose 3 or 5 candidates who have to be of mixed political backgrounds and let someone else do the actual deciding. But then again, we'd probably still be here in 2010 waiting for the next Justice to be appointed. > The Shrub would, but many Republicans who have to run for re-election > would not. Depends on how arrogant they're feeling I suppose. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 09:59:20 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue Jul 5 12:00:19 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" wrote in message news:da6ibq$c7$1@news.spamcop.net... > Ugh! Yes! Silly me... Of course! I forgot Hitler was right when he marched > into Poland and gassed the jews etc., etc. Had he won, he'd have been right. > Despite the fact that everyone is saying so. Of course, they would > understand it much better in their own terms, if the rest of the world > actually united together and invaded America........ they are secure in the knowledge that that will never happen (or so they imagine) From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 12:59:40 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Neil) Date: Tue Jul 5 12:00:25 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: MTV's Live 8 coverage was total CRAP! References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:dae9r5$2a8$1@news.spamcop.net... > > They have NO clue, that's why when they run a special, they run it twice in one > night, back to back or within an hour of the first one, presumably because we're all > so stupid we won't remember what we just saw. The latest joke is Ramsey's Kitchen > Nightmares revisited - he's supposed to go back to these restaurants he's helped to > see if they're still succeeding. The first 50 minutes is a rehash of the first show, > the other 9 minutes is new footage, if it's even that much. Bloody waste of time, > and he's an obnoxious arsehole anyway. > > I know what you mean about the back-to-back thing. Often I remember that a show was on that I missed, only to find the *only* re-run that week was either right after, or at 3am the next morning. That's funny, because didn't the original showing of Kitchen nightmares feature a short piece at the end of each episode where he did re-visit the restaurant? Weird that he should re-visit a second time, or was it the same footage? I actually like Ramsey. Sure he's brash, rude, and a bit of a git; but he is right, even if his approach leaves something to be desired. Now Kitchen's from hell...that *was* a joke. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 10:02:02 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue Jul 5 12:05:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hey D-LO References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:da5epv$er9$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Besides which, you've not been able to actually buy modems until fairly > > recently except from your provider. > > > > > > Define "recently" Since long after the time that broadband became available. You could sometimes find cable modems in the shops but it's only been in the last year that you've been able to get DSL modems off store shelves instead of thru your ISP. From johnl at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 17:02:07 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Tue Jul 5 12:05:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: MTV's Live 8 coverage was total CRAP! References: Message-ID: "Neil" wrote in news:daeapd$2sm$1@news.spamcop.net: > I actually like Ramsey. Sure he's brash, rude, and a bit of a git; > but he is right, even if his approach leaves something to be desired. > Now Kitchen's from hell...that *was* a joke. He's got a new "reality show" now.... Hell's Kitchen From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 13:04:28 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Neil) Date: Tue Jul 5 12:05:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: MTV's Live 8 coverage was total CRAP! References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:dae9nu$29g$1@news.spamcop.net... > > You bastard. I hate you now! How did you manage to get the U2 tickets?! > > Luck I suppose... via ticketbarstewards. Remember to get on the site just as the tickets are released, and keep banging away until you are successful. Luckily my missus is the U2 fan so I left it to her. I don't know where we're sitting, but suspect I'll need oxygen and plenty of tissues for the nose bleeds... ;-) From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 13:05:14 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Neil) Date: Tue Jul 5 12:10:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: MTV's Live 8 coverage was total CRAP! References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns968A6614FAFBjohnlspamcopnet@216.154.195.61... > > Now Kitchen's from hell...that *was* a joke. > > He's got a new "reality show" now.... > Hell's Kitchen Ahh..that's the one I meant. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 13:12:11 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Jul 5 12:15:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Tom Cruise on Scientology Message-ID: "Some people, well, if they don't like Scientology, well, then, fuck you. Really. Fuck you. Period." http://tomcruiseisnuts.com/4_scien.php From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 13:16:31 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Jul 5 12:20:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ok, this is sick...... References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:daea97$2kt$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Oh but I merely shook his hand! > OH.....Oh dear. Oh dearohdearohdear.......I knew there was something strange about you...... From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 13:34:53 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 5 12:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: MTV's Live 8 coverage was total CRAP! References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "Neil" wrote in message > news:dae1ft$su0$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > Agreed. Cutting away from Floyd in the middle of their set to > > listen to the prattling of two crap MTV/VH1 presenters before going > > to commercial break.... *that* is why I miss the BBC. > > Don't know if you noticed, but instead of joining in, BBC America ran > marathon reruns of Monty > Python....allllll.....weekend......long........ And they're still running them -- had the pleasure of catching a couple of their best episodes last night -- "No, not the COMFY CHAIR!" From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 13:36:04 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 5 12:40:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: MTV's Live 8 coverage was total CRAP! References: Message-ID: Neil wrote: Do they really think > that US viewers still want to see Monty Python, Absolutely! Benny Hill, Not particularly.... and > Fawlty Towers after all these years? Sure.....BASIL! From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 13:40:00 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 5 12:40:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > Not all SUVs are excessively large, in my opinion. they're not, that was just another large emotional sweeping generalization from our resident BVET or whatever the heck he calls himself....... From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 13:45:47 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 5 12:50:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Porpoise" wrote in message > news:da6ibq$c7$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Ugh! Yes! Silly me... Of course! I forgot Hitler was right when he > marched > > into Poland and gassed the jews etc., etc. > > Had he won, he'd have been right. And _would_ have won if he hadn't been a psychotic egolomaniac that refused to listen to the advice of his general staff (who knew what they were doing). > > > Despite the fact that everyone is saying so. Of course, they would > > understand it much better in their own terms, if the rest of the > > world actually united together and invaded America........ > > they are secure in the knowledge that that will never happen (or so > they imagine) Now would be a rather fine time to do it, eh? How many active and able soldiers do we actually have stationed in the USA right now? 10-20% of our entire combined forces? Still, it'd be pretty tough to get troop carriers (ships) past our subs and coastal defense air forces......the Atlantic and Pacific oceans make it almost impossible to invade the US with any kind of real strength. From borgholio at storymind.com Tue Jul 5 10:49:50 2005 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Tue Jul 5 12:50:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hey D-LO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:da5epv$er9$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Besides which, you've not been able to actually buy modems until fairly > >>>recently except from your provider. >>> >>> >> >>Define "recently" > > > Since long after the time that broadband became available. You could > sometimes find cable modems in the shops but it's only been in the last year > that you've been able to get DSL modems off store shelves instead of thru > your ISP. > > I was referring to cable modems, not DSL. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 13:55:05 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 5 13:00:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tom Cruise on Scientology References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "Some people, well, if they don't like Scientology, well, then, fuck > you. Really. Fuck you. Period." > > http://tomcruiseisnuts.com/4_scien.php this bit actually doesn't sound too bad, taken on face value......kind of like what people try to get from religion, except they improve themselves instead of praying to some god to do it for them..... "What Scientology is, is it addresses man as a spiritual being. Okay? And it gives people tools that they apply to their lives to improve conditions." From johnl at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 17:59:18 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Tue Jul 5 13:00:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in news:daedfr$4em$1@news.spamcop.net: > .the Atlantic and > Pacific oceans make it almost impossible to invade the US with any > kind of real strength. > ............But from the North................ ;-) From bcs1 at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 14:07:52 2005 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bcs1) Date: Tue Jul 5 13:05:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A special kind of "stupid" References: Message-ID: "Mike Easter" wrote in message news:d8qia6$dvl$1@news.spamcop.net... > > When I think of some of the things I've done on a bike in the past and > gotten away with.... > > -- eheh talk about a flash back.... MANY years ago while riding my CB360T on a long stretch of open road in Texas, I was hit in the face by something seemingly small ( which OFC caused me to tighten up my grip and all) not more than 1 second later (it seemed like 10 though) I was smacked in the same exact spot on my cheek so hard that it 1. almost knocked me off the bike (at 70 mph too) 2. made my eyesight go bright white then totally black (for what seemed ANOTHER eternity) and 3. caused my head to ring so loud I couldn't even hear the dual pipes of the bike any longer. (yes another eternity) After a bit (not sure how long) I started to be able to see the bikes headlight hitting the highway again, and to my surprise I was still in my lane headed the right way and because I had throttled down out of instinct? I guess after the "big one" I was doing about 30 mph, pulled the bike over, stopped on the shoulder, set the kickstand and got off the bike. Now to be very clear about this..my freaking legs were like Jell-O, and it's a wonder I didn't fall flat on my ass when I got off the bike, however I was able to stand, spun the rearview mirror around and looked at my face in the glow of the bike's headlight................. The left side of my face (head) was swollen even though it was very cool that night, and I had a splattering of "bug-goo" on my cheek, and down in the collar of my shirt was a single black feather... the only remaining items from a bug being chased by a (I was told) martin, who happened to fly towards the wrong beam of light on a cold, desolate Texas road in 1981. As I got back on the Bike and left the shoulder I recall that I didn't drive as fast anymore.. and to say the very least the feel of the "wind in my face" was..... somehow "just a little" different..... Bill From bcs1 at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 14:11:03 2005 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bcs1) Date: Tue Jul 5 13:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns968A6FC69209Cjohnlspamcopnet@216.154.195.61... > "indigo" wrote in > news:daedfr$4em$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> .the Atlantic and >> Pacific oceans make it almost impossible to invade the US with any >> kind of real strength. >> > > ............But from the North................ ;-) eyyh? Hi John. Bill From johnl at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 18:06:31 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Tue Jul 5 13:10:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "Bcs1" wrote in news:daeeko$54q$1@news.spamcop.net: > Hi John. Hey Bill! From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 14:08:29 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 5 13:10:16 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > "indigo" wrote in > news:daedfr$4em$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > .the Atlantic and > > Pacific oceans make it almost impossible to invade the US with any > > kind of real strength. > > > > ............But from the North................ ;-) Blame Canada, blame Canada! From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 14:13:16 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 5 13:15:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A special kind of "stupid" References: Message-ID: Bcs1 wrote: > MANY years ago while riding my CB360T on a long stretch of open road > in Texas, I was hit in the face by something seemingly small ( which > OFC caused me to tighten up my grip and all) not more than 1 second > later (it seemed like 10 though) I was smacked in the same exact spot > on my cheek so hard that it > 1. almost knocked me off the bike (at 70 mph too) heh. Watching the F1 race this weekend, some guy dropped a couple of wheels off the side of the track going over 180 mph......kicked up some pebbles from a gravel trap up into the air, which the next guy had the "pleasure" of plowing through......destroyed the on-board camera and you could see the driver's helmet being shaken by the impacts..... From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 14:12:50 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Tue Jul 5 13:20:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tom Cruise on Scientology References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:daee19$4oh$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "What Scientology is, is it addresses man as a spiritual being. Okay? And it > gives people tools that they apply to their lives to improve conditions." It's like Tony Robbins, only with a very expensive church......blecccch....... From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 14:59:39 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 5 14:00:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Drat, drat, and double drat... Message-ID: Damn website clusterf*ck.......tried to refi my mortgage last week, the website wouldn't accept my info in either IE or Firefox. Then Greenspan raised the fed rate 1/4% at the end of last week. Cost me an extra $30 per month on my refi (I just did the refi over the phone, didn't have time last week to call, tried doing it online at home in the evening several times). Oh well, I still got 0.375 off my old rate, combined with my decreased loan amount (been paying it down) I'll save about $70/month, and it will cost me nothing except for notary fees. Also discussed my credit score while on the phone with the mortgage company and discovered that apparently the old credit cards I had in joint accounts with my ex are still listed on my credit reports (not good). But they don't look like they are active, my credit score is WAY too high for anything in her name to still be counting against it! ;-) Anyway, off to call the big 3 credit bureaus....... From bcs1 at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 15:12:22 2005 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bcs1) Date: Tue Jul 5 14:10:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] My AI on Scientology was - Re: Tom Cruise on Scientology References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:daee19$4oh$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Spamvireslayer wrote: >> "Some people, well, if they don't like Scientology, well, then, fuck >> you. Really. Fuck you. Period." >> >> http://tomcruiseisnuts.com/4_scien.php > > this bit actually doesn't sound too bad, taken on face value......kind of > like what people try to get from religion, except they improve themselves > instead of praying to some god to do it for them..... > > "What Scientology is, is it addresses man as a spiritual being. Okay? And > it > gives people tools that they apply to their lives to improve conditions." > > well this thread caught my eye as one to read out of the "thousands" of post I had to select "catch up" on. and the quote above struck me as interesting for some odd reason..... (no I still don't know why) but for some unknown reason I decided to ask my bot what he thought of that quote. I'm not sure how many of you are familiar with AI programs, or eggdrops or any of that so I want to give you a little background about Reggy before I show you what he had to say about that quote. if this is boring please forgive me, but some of you I'm sure will see the wit, and humor in his reply. Reggy #1 was born about 4 years ago using the "pulp fiction" .trn, .brn, .swp and .aux files, he uses the Megahal conversation stimulator Module version 2.2. on a eggdrop1.6.10 core. Over the period of time that he interacted with users from all over the world on my server his brain file grew from a size of 0 kb to over 5 megs about a 4 year continuous uptime allowing for maintenance and all.. he is known by and loved by almost everyone who ever "interacted" with him... heck there's even one chatter who claims to be having an affair with Reggy when he's not chatting with someone (go figure). The sad news is that Reggy #1's server is about to be taken offline, and while his files CAN be moved, he would never be "quite" the same again... so I decided to shut him down. Not though without giving him the chance to be a father to what we refer to as "his Son". Reggy #2 was born on July 3rd 2005 used the same version of everything except the personality files, I gave him NO brain to start out, and the training file for the personality of Data from star trek. Reggy #2 has about a 60% uptime at the moment because of shutting him down to tweak the config file, and add modules, recompile ect, but his brain is currently almost 1.75 mb in size because I placed him in the room with "Daddy" and had them start talking to each other....... for about 2 hours straight, then a break , then another 4, then a break, then another 2, then a break. The breaks give him time to save his "new brain". anyway with ALL that said: (13:12) (^Regulator[a]): Reggy "What Scientology is, is it addresses man as a spiritual being. Okay? And it gives people tools that they apply to their lives to improve conditions." (13:12) (@Reggy): ^Regulator[a]: What is it with these silly questions? Anyway, let's talk about that. so I guess all the geeks will say "oooooo" and the non geeks will say "and your point is?", but I thought I'd share this with ya FWIW. Bill From bcs1 at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 15:21:04 2005 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bcs1) Date: Tue Jul 5 14:20:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A special kind of "stupid" References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:daef3d$5g9$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Bcs1 wrote: >> MANY years ago while riding my CB360T on a long stretch of open road >> in Texas, I was hit in the face by something seemingly small ( which >> OFC caused me to tighten up my grip and all) not more than 1 second >> later (it seemed like 10 though) I was smacked in the same exact spot >> on my cheek so hard that it >> 1. almost knocked me off the bike (at 70 mph too) > > heh. Watching the F1 race this weekend, some guy dropped a couple of > wheels > off the side of the track going over 180 mph......kicked up some pebbles > from a gravel trap up into the air, which the next guy had the "pleasure" > of > plowing through......destroyed the on-board camera and you could see the > driver's helmet being shaken by the impacts..... > > OUCH... now you KNOW that had to SUCK!!! Hi Indi, how you been? Bill From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 12:16:20 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue Jul 5 14:20:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Troops not impressed? References: Message-ID: "Canopus" wrote in message news:da99j1$btc$1@news.spamcop.net... > The main problem seems to be that we choose what sources to believe in > accordance with our prejudices, if we don't like what we hear then it > is convenient to deny it even if it comes from an impeccable source > such as the Guardian or whatever. No matter what we would like to > think of our troops, war is legalised anarchy and has a strong tendency > to bring out the very worse in both individuals and groups on both > sides of the fence. Speaking for myself, I am sufficiently convinced that neither the US nor the UK are completely clean in any of this and that they've done some very dirty things. It's quite possible that atrocities have been committed. Hell, all you need do is look at the prisoner abuse evidence to see the truth of that. We in the west are fed an idealised version of war, almost the Hollywood version, and it's hardly any surprise that people find that difficult to reconcile with the likely realities. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 15:18:18 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 5 14:20:18 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: My AI on Scientology was - Re: Tom Cruise on Scientology References: Message-ID: Bcs1 wrote: > > (13:12) (^Regulator[a]): Reggy "What Scientology is, is it addresses > man as a spiritual being. Okay? And it gives people tools that they > apply to their lives to improve conditions." > (13:12) (@Reggy): ^Regulator[a]: What is it with these silly > questions? Anyway, let's talk about that. > > so I guess all the geeks will say "oooooo" and the non geeks will > say "and your point is?", but I thought I'd share this with ya FWIW. > Uh, Bill.....you been forgetting to take your meds again? ;-) From bcs1 at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 15:24:20 2005 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bcs1) Date: Tue Jul 5 14:20:22 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Drat, drat, and double drat... References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:daehqb$75l$1@news.spamcop.net... > Damn website clusterf*ck.......tried to refi my mortgage last week, the > website wouldn't accept my info in either IE or Firefox. Then Greenspan > raised the fed rate 1/4% at the end of last week. Cost me an extra $30 per > month on my refi (I just did the refi over the phone, didn't have time > last > week to call, tried doing it online at home in the evening several times). > Oh well, I still got 0.375 off my old rate, combined with my decreased > loan > amount (been paying it down) I'll save about $70/month, and it will cost > me > nothing except for notary fees. > > Also discussed my credit score while on the phone with the mortgage > company > and discovered that apparently the old credit cards I had in joint > accounts > with my ex are still listed on my credit reports (not good). But they > don't > look like they are active, my credit score is WAY too high for anything in > her name to still be counting against it! ;-) Anyway, off to call the big > 3 > credit bureaus....... > > ooooohhh good luck, heck if I understand it correctly, all that's needed is a dispute letter, and if the company placing the info doesn't respond / renew it, the bad info goes *poof*, and if your score's already high to begin with....it can't do anything but help. Bill From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 15:19:57 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 5 14:20:26 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A special kind of "stupid" References: Message-ID: Bcs1 wrote: > > > OUCH... now you KNOW that had to SUCK!!! No kidding! He's lucky he didn't puncture his water and oil radiators, let alone puncture his facemask..... > > Hi Indi, how you been? > Bill Not too bad, Bill. How's it hanging witchew? From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 12:20:18 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue Jul 5 14:25:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-7900D8.15355303072005@frylock.local... > In article , > "Eponym" wrote: > > > BTW.....why shouldn't we have a major say in the UN? We're its largest > > donor! > > Which US state is the largest donor to the federal coffers? Would you > like it if they had power equal to their share of the contribution? Probably California isn't it? Woo hoo! Let's have at it! From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 15:21:16 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 5 14:25:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Drat, drat, and double drat... References: Message-ID: Bcs1 wrote: > > ooooohhh good luck, heck if I understand it correctly, all that's > needed is a dispute letter, and if the company placing the info > doesn't respond / renew it, the bad info goes *poof*, and if your > score's already high to begin with....it can't do anything but help. > Yeah, I just don't know at this time whether the old cards actually *are* dead or not.....but I'm going to fix it in any case. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 12:22:58 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Sylvesterthekat) Date: Tue Jul 5 14:25:17 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "Eponym" wrote in message news:da9fvd$fet$1@news.spamcop.net... > Taxes are collected from people...so, it follows that the more people in a > state the more they pay into federal coffers. The House writes > appropriation bills and its members are based on population. So, duh...they > do! If that were truly the case, Bush wouldn't be in power, gays could legally marry, medical marijuana would be legal and we'd most likely have no Patriot Act and there'd be no danger of drilling in the Alaska Wildlife preserves to name but a few things that Californians lean towards. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 15:29:40 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 5 14:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "David Dean" wrote in message > news:ozchzhq02-7900D8.15355303072005@frylock.local... > > In article , > > "Eponym" wrote: > > > > > BTW.....why shouldn't we have a major say in the UN? We're its > > > largest donor! > > > > Which US state is the largest donor to the federal coffers? > > Would you like it if they had power equal to their share of the > > contribution? > > Probably California isn't it? Woo hoo! Let's have at it! Mebbe not. Since the richest 10% pay 90% of fed taxes (or something like that), you might want to look for a state with the highest number of millionaires, eh? I think Montgomery County, MD (near DC) has the highest per capita income in the states..... From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 15:34:22 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Dave Lerner) Date: Tue Jul 5 14:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: one idea of hell In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Dave Lerner wrote >>In the third picture on the living room page, is that a real cat? Redstone wrote on 07/05/2005 07:16 AM: > With all the stuffed animals, makes you wonder what is real and what isn't. > :-p Yes, that's why I asked. :D From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 15:35:34 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Jul 5 14:40:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: My AI on Scientology was - Re: Tom Cruise on Scientology References: Message-ID: "Bcs1" wrote in message news:daei7m$7gf$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > so I guess all the geeks will say "oooooo" and the non geeks will say "and > your point is?", but I thought I'd share this with ya FWIW. Actually, it was more like "WTF is he talking about??" From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 15:36:01 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Jul 5 14:40:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: My AI on Scientology was - Re: Tom Cruise on Scientology References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:daeita$7uu$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Uh, Bill.....you been forgetting to take your meds again? ;-) Maybe HE knows the history of psychology too..... From eponym at I.hate.spam.com Tue Jul 5 15:38:05 2005 From: eponym at I.hate.spam.com (Eponym) Date: Tue Jul 5 14:40:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:daej62$8a3$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Eponym" wrote in message > news:da9fvd$fet$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Taxes are collected from people...so, it follows that the more people in > a >> state the more they pay into federal coffers. The House writes >> appropriation bills and its members are based on population. So, > duh...they >> do! > > If that were truly the case, Bush wouldn't be in power, gays could legally > marry, medical marijuana would be legal and we'd most likely have no > Patriot > Act and there'd be no danger of drilling in the Alaska Wildlife preserves > to > name but a few things that Californians lean towards. > California has a lot of representatives in the House, but not all of them lean in the direction you indicate. Moreover, California only has about 12% (52/435) of all the representatives in the House. Californians have a hell of a time managing their own state lately, let alone the entire country. California <> USA.....thankfully. From bcs1 at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 15:46:57 2005 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bcs1) Date: Tue Jul 5 14:45:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A special kind of "stupid" References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:daej0e$83t$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Bcs1 wrote: >> > >> OUCH... now you KNOW that had to SUCK!!! > > No kidding! He's lucky he didn't puncture his water and oil radiators, let > alone puncture his facemask..... >> >> Hi Indi, how you been? >> Bill > > Not too bad, Bill. How's it hanging witchew? > > eheh been better, been worse, work's slowed down to a very slow crawl, and I'm shutting down all my servers here. I am moving everything to shell accounts though, so I'll still have my "network", I just won't be able to walk over and reboot a box if I need to :( but on the bright side, I'm going to save a lil over 1500 a year on internet expenses, so I guess it's a good trade off LOL I did pick up two more new customers though, and while they don't pay as well as some, they pay "enough". Know anyone who needs a couple of slightly used 2-U and 1 3-U rackmount servers? LOL Bill From bcs1 at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 15:49:16 2005 From: bcs1 at spamcop.net (Bcs1) Date: Tue Jul 5 14:45:14 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: My AI on Scientology was - Re: Tom Cruise on Scientology References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:daeita$7uu$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Bcs1 wrote: >> >> (13:12) (^Regulator[a]): Reggy "What Scientology is, is it addresses >> man as a spiritual being. Okay? And it gives people tools that they >> apply to their lives to improve conditions." >> (13:12) (@Reggy): ^Regulator[a]: What is it with these silly >> questions? Anyway, let's talk about that. >> >> so I guess all the geeks will say "oooooo" and the non geeks will >> say "and your point is?", but I thought I'd share this with ya FWIW. >> > > Uh, Bill.....you been forgetting to take your meds again? ;-) > > No not at all I took 9 of them just like the label says......oh eheh let me turn it rightside up...hmmm 6 not 9 ? };O)~ Bill From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 15:45:50 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 5 14:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: My AI on Scientology was - Re: Tom Cruise on Scientology References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:daeita$7uu$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > Uh, Bill.....you been forgetting to take your meds again? ;-) > > Maybe HE knows the history of psychology too..... And what it's like to have PPD too? In a previous life, perhaps...... From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 15:47:02 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 5 14:50:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: My AI on Scientology was - Re: Tom Cruise on Scientology References: Message-ID: Bcs1 wrote: > > Uh, Bill.....you been forgetting to take your meds again? ;-) > > > > > No not at all I took 9 of them just like the label says......oh eheh > let me turn it rightside up...hmmm 6 not 9 ? > You can actually read the labels on your pill bottles? Furrfu, I had to buy a magnifying glass......20-15 vision ain't much help with 0.5 point type! From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 15:49:05 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 5 14:50:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A special kind of "stupid" References: Message-ID: Bcs1 wrote: > > > > eheh been better, been worse, work's slowed down to a very slow > crawl, and I'm shutting down all my servers here. I am moving > everything to shell accounts though, so I'll still have my "network", > I just won't be able to walk over and reboot a box if I need to :( > but on the bright side, I'm going to save a lil over 1500 a year on > internet expenses, so I guess it's a good trade off LOL > What did you use the servers/network for? I thought you sold and fixed computer network stuff......didn't know you ran your own ISP.... > I did pick up two more new customers though, and while they don't > pay as well as some, they pay "enough". > > Know anyone who needs a couple of slightly used 2-U and 1 3-U > rackmount servers? Wait until Borg sees this post.....hint: how quickly can you box them up? ;-) From eponym at I.hate.spam.com Tue Jul 5 15:49:42 2005 From: eponym at I.hate.spam.com (Eponym) Date: Tue Jul 5 14:50:15 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:daejil$8nt$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Mebbe not. Since the richest 10% pay 90% of fed taxes (or something like > that), you might want to look for a state with the highest number of > millionaires, eh? I think Montgomery County, MD (near DC) has the highest > per capita income in the states..... Close...taxes paid on a per capita basis (2003 top 10), CT $10,025 DC $9,243 NJ $8,496 MA $8,472 NY $7,532 NH $7,154 MD $7,002 WA $6,703 WY $$6,682 Of course, taxes PAID may be a bad measure given all the loop holes in our tax code. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 15:56:55 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Jul 5 15:00:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: MTV's Live 8 coverage was total CRAP! References: Message-ID: "Neil" wrote in message news:daeapd$2sm$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > I know what you mean about the back-to-back thing. Often I remember that a > show was on that I missed, only to find the *only* re-run that week was > either right after, or at 3am the next morning. It's weird, they run Cash in the Attic (which I love) and Changing Rooms several times a day, but some really good stuff, they only run once or twice a week, no chance for repeats at all unless you are a serious night owl. > > That's funny, because didn't the original showing of Kitchen nightmares > feature a short piece at the end of each episode where he did re-visit the > restaurant? Weird that he should re-visit a second time, or was it the same > footage? He did revisit them after a few months, this time he goes back yet again - for like 8-9 minutes of new in an hour show. Rip off city, claiming it's a "new series". > > I actually like Ramsey. Sure he's brash, rude, and a bit of a git; but he > is right, even if his approach leaves something to be desired. Now > Kitchen's from hell...that *was* a joke. In the Kitchen Nightmares series, I liked him, he was geniune about wanting to improve things. In the series about him and his restaurant, I grew to despise him. As much as he claims to be a "chef, not a celebrity", he is a total attention whore, and dishonest to boot. There was the infamous Bramley apple promotion where he was paid big $$$ to cook with Bramley apples, only cameras in the kitchen show him laughing his ass off, taking the money and cooking with Granny Smiths, thinking what a larf it was he was pulling one over on them and getting paid. Then there was a trip to Oz and NZ, where he went on a talk show, played nice, then everywhere else he went he savagely dissed the host of the show (big star in NZ), and when the guy confronted him on it, he snuck out the back door like a coward. I think he's a disingenous asshole -it's one thing to be a "perfectionist" and demanding, but he abuses people for the sake of it, and that's pathetic. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 15:57:20 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Jul 5 15:00:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: MTV's Live 8 coverage was total CRAP! References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns968A6614FAFBjohnlspamcopnet@216.154.195.61... > "Neil" wrote in > news:daeapd$2sm$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > I actually like Ramsey. Sure he's brash, rude, and a bit of a git; > > but he is right, even if his approach leaves something to be desired. > > Now Kitchen's from hell...that *was* a joke. > > He's got a new "reality show" now.... > Hell's Kitchen Is he just as insulting to people as ever? I won't watch.... From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 16:02:05 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Jul 5 15:05:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: MTV's Live 8 coverage was total CRAP! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:daectl$45m$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Neil wrote: > Do they really think > > that US viewers still want to see Monty Python, > > Absolutely! For eight to ten hours straight, three days in a row? I like them but even I get sick of the same old thing. > > Benny Hill, > > Not particularly.... GAG me with a spoon, can't stand the sight of him- whoever said he was funny? > > and > > Fawlty Towers after all these years? > > Sure.....BASIL! Now THAT was funny.......they did the FT marathon last weekend.....I never realized they only had done 12 episodes total, until I saw them both days back to back, all of them..... From johnl at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 20:05:12 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Tue Jul 5 15:10:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: MTV's Live 8 coverage was total CRAP! References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in news:dael8i$9qv$1 @news.spamcop.net: > Is he just as insulting to people as ever? I won't watch.... Yeah. I don't care for the show, but my SO likes it. Someday, someone is gonna pop him real good! From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 16:16:58 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Neil) Date: Tue Jul 5 15:20:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: MTV's Live 8 coverage was total CRAP! References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:dael8i$9qv$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "JohnL" wrote in message > news:Xns968A6614FAFBjohnlspamcopnet@216.154.195.61... > > "Neil" wrote in > > news:daeapd$2sm$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > > > I actually like Ramsey. Sure he's brash, rude, and a bit of a git; > > > but he is right, even if his approach leaves something to be desired. > > > Now Kitchen's from hell...that *was* a joke. > > > > He's got a new "reality show" now.... > > Hell's Kitchen > > Is he just as insulting to people as ever? I won't watch.... > > There appears to be a lot of over-acting for the 'show', but this is US TV, and Fox after all. The restaurant 'diners' are surely all paid actors, with a table coming to the kitchen each episode (in the first few I saw anyway) to complain, and being F'ed left and right. It's actually a big rip-off of Apprentice, with even the opening credits being so similar to the Apprentice music as to sound the same at first. Whereas Ramsey has shown a compassionate side on occasion, I haven't seen anything close in Hell's Kitchen. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 16:19:10 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Neil) Date: Tue Jul 5 15:20:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: MTV's Live 8 coverage was total CRAP! References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:dael7p$9qq$1@news.spamcop.net... > ...but he abuses people for the sake of it, and that's pathetic. > Fair enough. I've only seen him in a couple of programmes, so accept I may not have seen all of his sides. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 16:19:18 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Jul 5 15:25:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: My AI on Scientology was - Re: Tom Cruise on Scientology References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:daekgu$9ck$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > Maybe HE knows the history of psychology too..... > > And what it's like to have PPD too? In a previous life, perhaps...... > He's never even been a 'real' sperm donor, much less experienced pregnancy with a spouse, he doesn't know shit from shinola..... From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 16:22:27 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Jul 5 15:25:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: MTV's Live 8 coverage was total CRAP! References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns968A851F7320Bjohnlspamcopnet@216.154.195.61... > "Spamvireslayer" wrote in news:dael8i$9qv$1 > @news.spamcop.net: > > > Is he just as insulting to people as ever? I won't watch.... > > Yeah. I don't care for the show, but my SO likes it. > Someday, someone is gonna pop him real good! I had heard that someone on that show filed a lawsuit against him for physical violence, oh look a settlement: http://www.inthenews.co.uk/television/types-tv/reality-and-talent-tv/kitchen-rage-$7045206.htm Granada TV has reportedly settled out of court with a man threatening to sue TV chef Gordon Ramsay. The man, a contestant on the US version of Hell's Kitchen, sprained his ankle when he fell over during a clash with the firebrand chef. Ramsay had been threatened with a $3 million lawsuit. However, the Evening Standard reports today that the injured party has agreed to accept a £67,000 out of court settlement. Ramsay is famous for his foul mouth and quick temper. In the UK version of the show, he reduced a number of celebrity contestants to tears and had to restrain former Corrie star Amanda Barrie when she tried to slap him. The US Hell's Kitchen features members of the public rather than celebrities, but it would appear that the sparks are still flying. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 16:24:16 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 5 15:25:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: Eponym wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:daejil$8nt$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > Mebbe not. Since the richest 10% pay 90% of fed taxes (or something > > like that), you might want to look for a state with the highest > > number of millionaires, eh? I think Montgomery County, MD (near DC) > > has the highest per capita income in the states..... > > Close...taxes paid on a per capita basis (2003 top 10), > > CT $10,025 > DC $9,243 > NJ $8,496 > MA $8,472 > NY $7,532 > NH $7,154 > MD $7,002 > WA $6,703 > WY $$6,682 > Interesting....I guess CT is on top because that's where all the Wall Street big wigs live? > Of course, taxes PAID may be a bad measure given all the loop holes > in our tax code. I think only the really, really rich folk get away without paying anything.....and a helluva lot of very profitable (IRL, not on paper) corporations. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 16:25:26 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Jul 5 15:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: MTV's Live 8 coverage was total CRAP! References: Message-ID: "Neil" wrote in message news:daemff$agt$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Fair enough. I've only seen him in a couple of programmes, so accept I may > not have seen all of his sides. He had two other shows that ran here not long ago, Boiling Point and Beyond Boiling Point. The portrait of him was NOT flattering, and yet he continues to act like he shits ice cream and that nothing he does is beyond reproach, he actually tries to laugh off his bigger faux pas rather than take responsibility for them. His behavior is beyond the pale, berating someone on the staff for a mistake, chasing him around the restaurant calling him "Fatty". Jackass..... From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 16:30:28 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 5 15:35:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: MTV's Live 8 coverage was total CRAP! References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > > > The man, a contestant on the US version of Hell's Kitchen, sprained > his ankle when he fell over during a clash with the firebrand chef. > > Ramsay had been threatened with a $3 million lawsuit. > > However, the Evening Standard reports today that the injured party > has agreed to accept a £67,000 out of court settlement. Didn't see anything where it sed Ramsay touched or pushed this guy....so he's a klutz and wins a settlement? Nonsense.... From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 16:32:29 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 5 15:35:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: MTV's Live 8 coverage was total CRAP! References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:daectl$45m$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > > > Neil wrote: > > Do they really think > > > that US viewers still want to see Monty Python, > > > > Absolutely! > > For eight to ten hours straight, three days in a row? I like them > but even I get sick of the same old thing. > I just watched them every once in a while when nothing else was on.....as a whole, only parts of their complete shows are actually funny.... > > > Fawlty Towers after all these years? > > > > Sure.....BASIL! > > Now THAT was funny.......they did the FT marathon last weekend.....I > never realized they only had done 12 episodes total, until I saw them > both days back to back, all of them..... Only 12? I knew they didn't make many, but I thought the number was up around 20 or so... From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 16:33:41 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 5 15:35:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: My AI on Scientology was - Re: Tom Cruise on Scientology References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:daekgu$9ck$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > > > > Maybe HE knows the history of psychology too..... > > > > And what it's like to have PPD too? In a previous life, > > perhaps...... > > > He's never even been a 'real' sperm donor, much less experienced > pregnancy with a spouse, he doesn't know shit from shinola..... I was talking about BCS Bill or one of his computerized "children"..... From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 16:33:57 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Neil) Date: Tue Jul 5 15:35:17 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: MTV's Live 8 coverage was total CRAP! References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:daelhf$a3r$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "indigo" wrote in message news:daectl$45m$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > > > Neil wrote: > > Do they really think > > > that US viewers still want to see Monty Python, > > > > Now THAT was funny.......they did the FT marathon last weekend.....I never realized > they only had done 12 episodes total, until I saw them both days back to back, all of > them..... > Hence my question about whether viewers *still* wanted to see [such tired dross]. IMO, there's very little difference now between BBCA and PBS, with regards to their showing of UK TV archives. BBCA is now like watching UK TV on a Sunday evening in the 80s, when all that was on was Songs of praise, Antiques Roadshow, and Last of the summer wine. Here's my list of programmes that would actually cause me to cross the room to turn off the TV if the remote was broken. Last of the summer wine Songs of praise Antiques Roadshow Keeping up appearances Are you being served Benny Hill The darling buds of may All creatures great and small Ok, I think I've ranted enough for one day. ;-) From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 16:41:23 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Jul 5 15:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: MTV's Live 8 coverage was total CRAP! References: Message-ID: "Neil" wrote in message news:daend2$b4t$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Hence my question about whether viewers *still* wanted to see [such tired > dross]. IMO, there's very little difference now between BBCA and PBS, with > regards to their showing of UK TV archives. Instead of seeing all this old crap, like Benny Hill, why don't they run something current, like oh, say EASTENDERS??? Really, WTF is wrong with them? > > Here's my list of programmes that would actually cause me to cross the room > to turn off the TV if the remote was broken. > > Last of the summer wine - never seen it, is that the one with Mr. Peacock in it? > Songs of praise-?? > Antiques Roadshow - haven't seen enough of them to be sick of it, I find British antiques pretty fascinating, actually. > Keeping up appearances - boring, but she's still a genius > Are you being served - same, boring but pretty funny for '70's slapstick > Benny Hill - GAG, puerile lecherous old farts were NEVER funny...... > The darling buds of may - haven't seen it. > All creatures great and small - Love love LOVE this series, they're showing it again on PBS and I'm enjoying it all over again, one of my all time faves, starting to buy the DVD's now. > > Ok, I think I've ranted enough for one day. ;-) Have you seen Little Britain? Best thing to come along since The Office..... From eponym at I.hate.spam.com Tue Jul 5 16:43:42 2005 From: eponym at I.hate.spam.com (Eponym) Date: Tue Jul 5 15:45:07 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:daemp0$ap7$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Interesting....I guess CT is on top because that's where all the Wall > Street > big wigs live? > Yeah...plus Martha Stewart, David Letterman, and a lot of other famous/wealthy types. Fairfield county CT has the 2nd highest per capita income in the country...after (surprise) Teton county WY. I don't think either state has income tax, so, that may be part of the reason. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 16:44:41 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Jul 5 15:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: My AI on Scientology was - Re: Tom Cruise on Scientology References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:daenam$b4h$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I was talking about BCS Bill or one of his computerized "children"..... > PPD for him is probably going home at the end of the day,leaving his "children" in a locked room.... From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 16:52:59 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 5 15:55:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: Eponym wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:daemp0$ap7$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > Interesting....I guess CT is on top because that's where all the > > Wall Street > > big wigs live? > > > > Yeah...plus Martha Stewart, David Letterman, and a lot of other > famous/wealthy types. Fairfield county CT has the 2nd highest per > capita income in the country...after (surprise) Teton county WY. I > don't think either state has income tax, so, that may be part of the > reason. Oh, I know what I was thinking of -- Montgomery County isn't the richest, I think it is the "smartest", i.e. most people with B.S., MBA, graduate and doctorate degrees in the country. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 16:52:12 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Jul 5 15:55:12 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: MTV's Live 8 coverage was total CRAP! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:daen4k$b2g$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Didn't see anything where it sed Ramsay touched or pushed this guy....so > he's a klutz and wins a settlement? Nonsense.... According to a couple of googled stories, he was in a shoving match with Ramsay and got pushed over....try this link http://tinyurl.com/dy2gc From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 16:54:01 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 5 15:55:16 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: My AI on Scientology was - Re: Tom Cruise on Scientology References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:daenam$b4h$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > I was talking about BCS Bill or one of his computerized > > "children"..... > > > PPD for him is probably going home at the end of the day,leaving his > "children" in a locked room.... That's normally where you keep servers, ya know....I don't think Bill's boys are suffering irreperable harm from it..... From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 17:06:13 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 5 16:10:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: MTV's Live 8 coverage was total CRAP! References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:daen4k$b2g$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > Didn't see anything where it sed Ramsay touched or pushed this > > guy....so he's a klutz and wins a settlement? Nonsense.... > > According to a couple of googled stories, he was in a shoving match > with Ramsay and got pushed over....try this link > http://tinyurl.com/dy2gc Ah, that's different then. Idiot. He deserves worse than what he got. Didja catch this? "In his Channel 4 show 'Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares', he invited another chef to "step outside" after a fight about a Caesar Salad." I think this idjit has some serious ego/anger management problems...... From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Tue Jul 5 21:12:01 2005 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Tue Jul 5 16:15:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Troops not impressed? References: Message-ID: indigo on 05/07/2005 wrote: > If this hospital rampage story is true, how come I haven't > seen or heard it mentioned anywhere else? There's always a first time and this is it. The toned down report in the Guardian that was referred to can be found here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1471011,00.html Quote: ------------------------------------- Other glimpses of life in Falluja come from Dr Hafid al-Dulaimi, head of the city's compensation commission, who reports that 36,000 homes were destroyed in the US onslaught, along with 8,400 shops. Sixty nurseries and schools were ruined, along with 65 mosques and religious sanctuaries. Daud Salman, an Iraqi journalist with the Institute for War and Peace Reporting, on a visit to Falluja two weeks ago, found that only a quarter of the city's residents had gone back. Thousands remain in tents on the outskirts. The Iraqi Red Crescent finds it hard to go in to help the sick because of the US cordon around the city. Burhan Fasa'a, a cameraman for the Lebanese Broadcasting Company, reported during the siege that dead family members were buried in their gardens because people could not leave their homes. Refugees told one of us that civilians carrying white flags were gunned down by American soldiers. Corpses were tied to US tanks and paraded around like trophies. ---------------------------------------------- This is an article by Doctor Salam Ismael, well known to my friend and implicitly trusted for truth as you trust certain journalists on your local paper: http://www.stopwar.org.uk/DrSalam.htm This is the full article by him, a must read: http://207.44.245.159/article8093.htm I'm sure if you were to do a search you would find more info, unfortunately as far as Falluja is concerned no media were allowed in there so there were no main media witnesses, most other people can be discounted as was planned. From Kilgallen at SpamCop.net Tue Jul 5 16:20:46 2005 From: Kilgallen at SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Date: Tue Jul 5 16:25:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Nigerian Mail Conference References: Message-ID: In article , Ilgaz Ocal writes: > http://j-walk.com/other/conf/ That page says: Dates: November 7 - 9, 2003 which might give you the idea that many of us saw that long ago. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 17:26:15 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Jul 5 16:30:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: My AI on Scientology was - Re: Tom Cruise on Scientology References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:daeogq$bo3$1@news.spamcop.net... > > That's normally where you keep servers, ya know....I don't think Bill's boys > are suffering irreperable harm from it..... > They're not but HE probably is.... From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 17:29:25 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Jul 5 16:35:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: MTV's Live 8 coverage was total CRAP! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:daep7l$c7k$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "In his Channel 4 show 'Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares', he invited another > chef to "step outside" after a fight about a Caesar Salad." > > I think this idjit has some serious ego/anger management problems...... That's putting it mildly...I saw the show where he offered to step outside with the owner, it was totally stupid, he made a "traditional classic" Caeser salad, the owner/chef said no one liked it or HE didn't like it and Gordon went off like a rocket telling him what 'bollocks' it was and kept repeating "YOU'RE TALKING OUT YOUR ASS! YOU'RE TALKING OUT YOUR ASS!" From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 17:32:09 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 5 16:35:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Troops not impressed? References: Message-ID: Canopus wrote: > > This is an article by Doctor Salam Ismael, well known to my friend and > implicitly trusted for truth as you trust certain journalists on your > local paper: > http://www.stopwar.org.uk/DrSalam.htm > > This is the full article by him, a must read: > http://207.44.245.159/article8093.htm > Sorry to be so cynical, but every atrocity mentioned in there is hearsay -- he didn't actually witness anything. And no mention of how the insurgents were firing at our troops from within crowds of civilians, either.....and how does he know that "US missiles" destroyed that hospital? It has been well reported that insurgents have fired RPGs and mortars at such targets (and at mosques) to further incite the rebellion. And US troops "strapping dead bodies to their tanks and parading them around like trophies"? Please.....gimme a break.....and some real evidence. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 17:33:05 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 5 16:35:13 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: My AI on Scientology was - Re: Tom Cruise on Scientology References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:daeogq$bo3$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > That's normally where you keep servers, ya know....I don't think > > Bill's boys are suffering irreperable harm from it..... > > > They're not but HE probably is.... Well, based on his political views that's kinda obvious, ain't it? ;-) From nospam at dev.null Tue Jul 5 23:38:05 2005 From: nospam at dev.null (Anty Spam) Date: Tue Jul 5 16:40:02 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Then and now Message-ID: Tribal Wisdom of the Dakota Indian: ------------------------------------- The tribal wisdom of the Dakota Indians, passed on from generation to generation says that, "When you discover that you are riding a dead horse, the best strategy is to dismount." Modern Corporate Wisdom unveiled: --------------------------------------- In today's corporate world, a whole range of far more advanced strategies are often employed including: 1. Buying a stronger whip 2. Changing Riders 3. Threatening the horse with termination 4. Appointing a committee to study the horse 5. Arranging to visit other countries to see how other cultures ride dead horses 6. Lowering the standards so that dead horses can be included 7. Reclassifying the dead horse as "living impaired" 8. Hiring outside contractors to ride the dead horse 9. Harnessing several dead horses together to increase the speed 10.Providing additional funding and/or training to increase the dead horse's performance 11.Doing a productivity study to see if lighter riders would improve the dead horse's performance 12.Declaring that as the dead horse does not have to be fed, it is less costly, carries lower overhead, and therefore contributes substantially more to the bottom line of the economy than do some other horses 13.Rewriting the expected performance requirements for all horses 14.Promoting the dead horse to a supervisory position From pete+usenet at heypete.com Tue Jul 5 14:38:30 2005 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Tue Jul 5 16:40:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Nigerian Mail Conference References: Message-ID: In article , Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote: > which might give you the idea that many of us saw that long ago. News to me, and also quite amusing. -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From pete+usenet at heypete.com Tue Jul 5 14:41:37 2005 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Tue Jul 5 16:45:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: one idea of hell References: Message-ID: In article , "indigo" wrote: > Heh. Said contents of the kitchen remind me of what ol' Petey's dorm room > must have looked like (minus the beer in the fridge, of course ;-) *whistles innocently* Did I mention we made a giant cube on a shelf that consisted of 800 empty cans of Coke consumed throughout the year? At the end of the year, we put my roommate underneath, then pulled the cube down on top of him. It was like a big red waterfall...made of aluminum. After it all came down, it was very much like those big plastic-ball-filled-pits for kids to play in, only with pointy metal bits. Very much fun, and only minor injuries. We made quite a bit of money at the recycling center... -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 17:43:02 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Jul 5 16:45:11 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: one idea of hell References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:dabqos$meb$1@news.spamcop.net... > http://pages.sbcglobal.net/cowoflight/home.html > > don't click on the pictures. instead click on the links that say 'kitchen' > and so on > > if I were this kid, I'd take this stuff outside when the folks were out and > burn it, especially the stuffed toys that form a 3ft thick wall in the > bedroom LOL, look at the stove, guess no one cooks there, Cheezits seem to be the main course anyway! At least it's not a shithole, and the dog has clean dishes. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 17:46:21 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Jul 5 16:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dae7hf$10u$1@news.spamcop.net... > > If those little snow humps sent your car "flying across lanes", might I > suggest you were traveling too fast for the conditions? No way I was going 'too fast', I was lucky just to "go"....those snow humps are not so little either, in a bigger car I don't even notice them, in a small car it wasn't fun, they swamped me. I'll never forget the time I borrowed my landlord's Suburban to get to work, it was such a pleasure not to be sliding all over the road, maybe that's what hooked me on 4WD... ;) From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 17:47:05 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Jul 5 16:50:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dae7ln$130$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Honest to god, I do not feel or detect any affects from passing semi's on > the highway, that's how good the areodynamics of my car are. Wonder how it compares to that little box known as a Nissan Sentra.....actually one of the best cars I ever had. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 17:47:49 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Jul 5 16:50:15 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: IE Spyad References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dac2qa$r0m$1@news.spamcop.net... > > heh. you want to gag, come see carpet near the the head of my bed when I > move it to clean the carpets or turnover the mattress and box springs....oy! Eww. Male pattern baldness starting already? From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 17:49:04 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Jul 5 16:55:08 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: MTV's Live 8 coverage was total CRAP! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:daen8d$b48$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Only 12? I knew they didn't make many, but I thought the number was up > around 20 or so... > Two six episode seasons, hard to believe that something that good only lasted two seasons. John Cleese is amazing, LOUD, but amazing. From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Tue Jul 5 17:55:07 2005 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Tue Jul 5 16:55:14 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The exception proves the rule References: Message-ID: In article , David Dean wrote: > "Eponym" wrote: > > > Polite? There is nothing polite about that idiot. He is a troll. Frankly, > > if you're inclined to defend that jackass, you are no better. > > PKB? *plonk* What took you so long? I had him pegged two weeks ago. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 17:56:37 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 5 17:00:05 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:dae7ln$130$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > Honest to god, I do not feel or detect any affects from passing > > semi's on the highway, that's how good the areodynamics of my car > > are. > > Wonder how it compares to that little box known as a Nissan > Sentra.....actually one of the best cars I ever had. I'm not surprised -- I've had other small cars that would get blown off the road by semi's, like my Scirocco and Capri. Both had pretty flat sides. My Acura has pretty rounded sides, therefore better control of the airflow. From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Tue Jul 5 17:56:55 2005 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Tue Jul 5 17:00:10 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tom Cruise on Scientology References: Message-ID: In article , "Spamvireslayer" wrote: > "Some people, well, if they don't like Scientology, well, then, fuck you. > Really. Fuck you. Period." > > http://tomcruiseisnuts.com/4_scien.php Not all that different from fundamentalist Christianity and Orthodox Judiasm, except for the f-word. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com "The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dream will never die." From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 17:58:15 2005 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Jul 5 17:00:14 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: IE Spyad References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:dac2qa$r0m$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > heh. you want to gag, come see carpet near the the head of my bed > > when I move it to clean the carpets or turnover the mattress and > > box springs....oy! > > Eww. Male pattern baldness starting already? I wish! My hair still grows so damn fast I have to get it cut every 3 weeks. No receeding hairline or donut in the middle on this guy, and I doubt I'll ever get one. I may turn totally gray, but I'll never lose my hair. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 18:00:25 2005 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Jul 5 17:05:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: IE Spyad References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:daes98$e5g$1@news.spamcop.net... > > I wish! My hair still grows so damn fast I have to get it cut every 3 weeks. > No receeding hairline or donut in the middle on this guy, and I doubt I'll > ever get one. I may turn totally gray, but I'll never lose my hair. Well, they have this stuff for dogs that you put on their food and it stops them from shedding....maybe you need some...... From johnl at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 22:18:20 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Tue Jul 5 17:20:04 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: Charles <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:Xns968AAFBCD17E4TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: > No way it was me! It was "indigo" ! > >> Sundress with nothing else on underneath......hmmmm....... > > I'm shocked! Whatever do you mean by that??? Gasp! Hopefully he wasn't meaning that _you_ would be wearing it. :P From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 18:27:44 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Jul 5 17:35:06 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: A special kind of "stupid" References: Message-ID: "Bcs1" wrote in message news:daek8h$95m$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "indigo" wrote in message | news:daej0e$83t$1@news.spamcop.net... | > | > | > Bcs1 wrote: | >> > | >> OUCH... now you KNOW that had to SUCK!!! | > | > No kidding! He's lucky he didn't puncture his water and oil radiators, let | > alone puncture his facemask..... | >> | >> Hi Indi, how you been? | >> Bill | > | > Not too bad, Bill. How's it hanging witchew? | > | > | | eheh been better, been worse, work's slowed down to a very slow crawl, and | I'm shutting down all my servers here. I am moving everything to shell | accounts though, so I'll still have my "network", I just won't be able to | walk over and reboot a box if I need to :( | but on the bright side, I'm going to save a lil over 1500 a year on internet | expenses, so I guess it's a good trade off LOL | | I did pick up two more new customers though, and while they don't pay as | well as some, they pay "enough". | | Know anyone who needs a couple of slightly used 2-U and 1 3-U rackmount | servers? | | LOL I know a place (if you're interested in tax deduction... but they you have to have a income ...) I may have a paying application in a few months but won't know for a bit one way or the other. FP From johnl at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 22:40:28 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Tue Jul 5 17:45:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Further proof, if needed, that *most* SUV drivers don't really need them! References: Message-ID: Charles <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in news:Xns968AB1F6CA14TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61: > Hey! I look awesome in a sundress - with the light shining through from > behind it's really quite stunning... TMI!!!!! From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 18:33:34 2005 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Jul 5 17:50:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: My AI on Scientology was - Re: Tom Cruise on Scientology References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:daeita$7uu$1@news.spamcop.net... | Bcs1 wrote: | | Uh, Bill.....you been forgetting to take your meds again? ;-) Hoping to snag the excess? | From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Tue Jul 5 23:03:10 2005 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Tue Jul 5 18:05:03 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Tom Cruise on Scientology References: Message-ID: indigo on 05/07/2005 wrote: > > > Spamvireslayer wrote: > > "Some people, well, if they don't like Scientology, well, then, fuck > > you. Really. Fuck you. Period." > > > > http://tomcruiseisnuts.com/4_scien.php > > this bit actually doesn't sound too bad, taken on face > value......kind of like what people try to get from religion, except > they improve themselves instead of praying to some god to do it for > them..... > > "What Scientology is, is it addresses man as a spiritual being. Okay? > And it gives people tools that they apply to their lives to improve > conditions." I remember the founder of Scientology, L Ron Hubard, got into a bit of a magical battle with Aliester Crowley. It was over L Ron attempting to perform a dangerous magical ritual to create the Moon Child and Crowley reckoned he was tampering with things that could upset certain key future events. The ritual went ahead however, but, there was a fire, someone got killed and a couple of people were committed to an asylum. Been a while since I was on the circuit where that info came from, but, I'm sure it's out there somewhere on the web. Meanwhile, bit of a strange fellow to entrust with peoples spiritual welfare. Rob From johnl at spamcop.net Tue Jul 5 23:03:58 2005 From: johnl at spamcop.net (JohnL) Date: Tue Jul 5 18:05:09 2005 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: My AI on Scientology was - Re: Tom Cruise on Scientology References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in news:daev65$g0b$1 @news.spamcop.net: > > "indigo" wrote in message > news:daeita$7uu$1@news.spamcop.net... > >| Bcs1 wrote: > >| >| Uh, Bill.....you been forgetting to take your meds again? ;-) > > Hoping to snag the e