From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Wed Mar 1 04:16:13 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Tue Feb 28 23:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What a great way to start the day.... References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in news:du1bgb$g2r$2@news.spamcop.net: > > I would expect the liquid would cause problems for a HDD unless it > were hermetically sealed. > > And to be able to compensate for any pressure changes once temperature increases inside the chamber with the disks. But then again, why not just seal it in a vacuum. From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Wed Mar 1 04:16:46 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Tue Feb 28 23:20:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What a great way to start the day.... References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in news:du1pgc$o6s$1@news.spamcop.net: > > Be a pain to add a new card or two, eh? ;-) > > That was what I thought. It is already messy enough trying to change the oil in my car. :-) From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Wed Mar 1 04:27:15 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Tue Feb 28 23:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: The penis restaurant References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in news:du00os$lg9$3@news.spamcop.net: > >| > >| Pull the udder one, he knew what he was talking about ;) > > Mary had a little lamb she traded it for a bull when she went to milk > it she didn't know what to pull. > > Hang on.. we have some farm girls here. Heidi, what do you pull to milk a bull? http://www.picture-newsletter.com/stierenmarkt/bull_photo-8iw.jpg And circle it in the picture.. we need clarification here. From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Mar 1 07:22:55 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Mar 1 07:25:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What a great way to start the day.... References: Message-ID: "Redstone" | | > | > I would expect the liquid would cause problems for a HDD unless it | > were hermetically sealed. | > | > | | And to be able to compensate for any pressure changes once temperature | increases inside the chamber with the disks. But then again, why not just | seal it in a vacuum. To my understanding the head float on a thin cushion of air. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Mar 1 09:20:01 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Mar 1 09:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Comments on HSAs? References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > > Well, that's not how our HSA is going to work. I don't know why his > most shrubbiness is promoting some crazy plan that isn't like what is > being offered, but HSAs are real and exist. And ours will work > pretty much like I wrote. Sort of. We'll have a yearly deductible > of $4500 and the company will put away $375 a month for us in our > HSAs. After the deductible we'll have 100% coverage medical > insurance. And if anything catastrophic happens (we use up our HSA > before getting to the deductible) the company will cover costs ahead > of time (basically give an advance on the HSA). So... I mean, with > this system, what is the disadvantage for a user? Other than having > to jump through hoops - sometimes, with some doctors - to get > reimbursed? You're not paying a penny for this? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Mar 1 09:22:05 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Mar 1 09:25:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: "Chuck Roast" disproves Cheney's story References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Pete Stephenson" > > | Did they say that the pellet got to his heart by piercing through > | his body to reach the heart, or was it carried there by migrating > | through a blood vessel? I would suspect the latter is more likely. > > Knowing what I do about the cardio vasucular system (Having had a 3X > by pass it is a subject of some interest to me) I find migrating > story to be *very* unlikely. So did the doctors commenting on that happening (not the "official" doctors, of course). From nobody at nowhere.invalid Wed Mar 1 15:51:56 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Wed Mar 1 09:55:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: fattest cat References: Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:20:54 -0500, indigo coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : > Aww, pumas are so cute though! ;-) When they're heavily sedated and not hungry :) -- Steve Seen in the classified ads: COMPLETE SET OF ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA. 45 VOLUMES. EXCELLENT CONDITION. $1000 OR BEST OFFER. NO LONGER NEEDED. MARRIED. WIFE KNOWS EVERYTHING. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Mar 1 09:58:02 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Mar 1 10:00:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Comments on HSAs? References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > Charles <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote: > > > So... I mean, > > with this system, what is the disadvantage for a user? Other than > > having to jump through hoops - sometimes, with some doctors - to > > get reimbursed? > > My problem is the lag time between seeing the doctor and being > reimbursed. If I have to pay the $250 for my first doctor's visit in > the year, I have to have the cash on hand when I go see the doctor. > That tightens things up until I get my reimbursement, and If it is a > tight month already, I might not even have that much to pay the > doctor, in which case, I don't get to see the doctor. Use a credit card? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Mar 1 09:58:42 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Mar 1 10:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: fattest cat References: Message-ID: Steven Maesslein wrote: > On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:20:54 -0500, indigo coughed into spamcop.social > and left this in : > > > Aww, pumas are so cute though! ;-) > > When they're heavily sedated and not hungry :) And not jumping off the hillside attacking joggers too ;-) From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Wed Mar 1 10:05:26 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Mar 1 10:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Comments on HSAs? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:du4cpq$c4i$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > My problem is the lag time between seeing the doctor and being > > reimbursed. If I have to pay the $250 for my first doctor's visit in > > the year, I have to have the cash on hand when I go see the doctor. > > That tightens things up until I get my reimbursement, and If it is a > > tight month already, I might not even have that much to pay the > > doctor, in which case, I don't get to see the doctor. > > Use a credit card? Usually what they do at the beginning of the year is the doctor's office submits it to your insurance so that it gets applied to your deductible, then the insurance company rejects it as part of your deductible and the doctor then bills you for it. Unless your doctor doesn't bill insurance companies, or at least YOUR insurance company, which is kind of weird. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Mar 1 11:04:44 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Mar 1 11:05:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Comments on HSAs? References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > > Usually what they do at the beginning of the year is the doctor's > office submits it to your insurance so that it gets applied to your > deductible, then the insurance company rejects it as part of your > deductible and the doctor then bills you for it. Unless your doctor > doesn't bill insurance companies, or at least YOUR insurance company, > which is kind of weird. So you can see why doctors could suffer a pretty severe cash flow problem in the first few months of the year, right? From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Mar 1 11:01:20 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Mar 1 11:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Comments on HSAs? References: Message-ID: "David Dean" | | > So... I mean, | > with this system, what is the disadvantage for a user? Other than having | > to jump through hoops - sometimes, with some doctors - to get reimbursed? | | My problem is the lag time between seeing the doctor and being | reimbursed. If I have to pay the $250 for my first doctor's visit in the | year, I have to have the cash on hand when I go see the doctor. That | tightens things up until I get my reimbursement, and If it is a tight | month already, I might not even have that much to pay the doctor, in | which case, I don't get to see the doctor. Think what it's like for those that can't afford or can't get insurance. A local free clinic accepts 2 to 3 new patients (not new families) a month. End result they wait until the matter is critical, go to the ER and the hospital is stuck with a high bill because they have no money to pay at that time either. Bush made a speech about funding new clinics for the poor (great idea) but at the same time is cutting funding for training of staff at these same clinics. From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Mar 1 11:05:21 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Mar 1 11:20:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Comments on HSAs? References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" < | > | > > My problem is the lag time between seeing the doctor and being | > > reimbursed. If I have to pay the $250 for my first doctor's visit in | > > the year, I have to have the cash on hand when I go see the doctor. | > > That tightens things up until I get my reimbursement, and If it is a | > > tight month already, I might not even have that much to pay the | > > doctor, in which case, I don't get to see the doctor. | > | > Use a credit card? | | Usually what they do at the beginning of the year is the doctor's office submits it | to your insurance so that it gets applied to your deductible, then the insurance | company rejects it as part of your deductible and the doctor then bills you for it. | Unless your doctor doesn't bill insurance companies, or at least YOUR insurance | company, which is kind of weird. Many docs are refusing to do the insurance paperwork and cutting cost as well. One local doc that does this changes $30-$45 bucks for an office visit as compared to $80-$120 for those that do the insurance paperwork. I go to him, collect all the documents and submit once or twice a year, what with copay and deductible I come out with a small check and a lot less hassle. When I went to the full service docs I was out of pocket more, go figure. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Mar 1 12:45:21 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Mar 1 12:50:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Comments on HSAs? References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "indigo" wrote: > > > Use a credit card? > > I don't have any. You should: 1) for emergencies, and 2) to build up your credit score (having 2-3 cards and using them and paying off on time builds your score way up, debt is the way your score is calculated). Caveat: If you have a wife with a spending problem, ignore my advice ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Mar 1 12:55:22 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Mar 1 13:00:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Comments on HSAs? References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "indigo" wrote: > > > Caveat: If you have a wife with a spending problem, ignore my > > advice ;-) > > I think I'm the one with the spending problem. I got one of those > pre-paid MasterCards and I've been putting on $50 out of every > paycheck so that I can build up an emergency fund. I keep finding > emergencies though... Isn't that a credit card then? From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Mar 1 12:53:39 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Mar 1 13:20:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Comments on HSAs? References: Message-ID: "David Dean" | | > Usually what they do at the beginning of the year is the doctor's office | > submits it | > to your insurance so that it gets applied to your deductible, then the | > insurance | > company rejects it as part of your deductible and the doctor then bills you | > for it. | | That's how it *used* to work. Now the doctor's offices call the | insurance company to see if you've met the deductible yet. If you | haven't: cash up front please. It really pisses me off that doctors | around here don't trust anyone. Virginia must have some funky laws, | because I was never treated like this until I moved here. | I once had a doctor submit the claim wrong, when the insurance denied | the claim, he sent me a bill. I called the insurance company to find out | what was up, and they said they'd take care of it. A couple of months | later, I get a letter from a lawyer saying I'm about to be sued unless I | pay the bill. I called the insurance company again, faxed them a copy of | the letter and told them to get it straightened out immediately. Luckily | they did, otherwise I'd have been shafted. Cash in front is now the norm. if you get billed it's unusual. Insurance companies have learned to play the system often bouncing legitimate bills until past their 'required to be submitted' date where upon they don't pay the docs. Texas has a law on this matter but it was a) rejected by Bush resubmitted and b) rejected by his replacement. (both Bush and Perry received considerable contributions from the insurance lobby as did the Democrats but the Demo got much less.) From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Mar 1 13:28:17 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Mar 1 13:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Comments on HSAs? References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > > Cash in front is now the norm. if you get billed it's unusual. Luckily that hasn't spread up to MD.....does being in a PPO have anything to do with it? From kenbrody at spamcop.net Wed Mar 1 16:09:05 2006 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Wed Mar 1 16:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Doofus.....Bush 'fell off bike while waving' References: Message-ID: <44060D71.2A95DCF@spamcop.net> Heidi wrote: > > He 'laughed it off'....does this sound familar? At least he didn't blame it > on the cop. > > http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=300522006 > > "As the president passed the junction at speed he raised his left arm from > the handlebars to wave to the police officers present while shouting > 'Thanks, you guys, for coming'. > > "As he did this he lost control of the cycle, falling to the ground, causing > both himself and his bicycle to strike (the officer) on the lower legs. (The > officer) fell to the ground, striking his head. [...] Reminds me of a storyline in the pilot of "The West Wing", in which "the President, while out cycling, came to a sudden arboreal stop". -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Wed Mar 1 16:49:07 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Mar 1 16:55:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Comments on HSAs? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:du4gmt$esu$1@news.spamcop.net... > > So you can see why doctors could suffer a pretty severe cash flow problem in > the first few months of the year, right? Isn't that what they have business managers for? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Mar 1 17:17:23 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Mar 1 17:20:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Comments on HSAs? References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "indigo" wrote: > > > does being in a PPO have anything to > > do with it? > > Do you have fixed costs associated with any visit? I don't think > doctors can as easily predict how much you're going to owe if you > have a PPO, if the costs aren't fixed depending on type of visit. Well yeah, an office visit costs the same every time. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Mar 1 17:18:12 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Mar 1 17:20:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Comments on HSAs? References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > It wasn't me! It was "indigo" ! > > > You're not paying a penny for this? > > Not as I understand it, no. And that should be, "won't be" or > "wouldn't be". For now we have a deductible and pretty low dental > coverage. With the new deal we won't have a deductible, I guess. Free health insurance? How the heck can they provide that? Something doesn't smell right here..... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Mar 1 17:49:35 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Mar 1 17:50:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Comments on HSAs? References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was "indigo" ! > > > Free health insurance? How the heck can they provide that? Something > > doesn't smell right here..... > > Dude, the premium (cost to the company) of health insurance went up > 20% last year and 16% this year. They are saying that those figures > together (almost 40% in two years) make it so that it's way cheaper > for the company to do it this way... What about prescription coverage? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Mar 1 18:20:34 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Mar 1 18:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Comments on HSAs? References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was "indigo" ! > > > What about prescription coverage? > > I don't know - it must be part of the same plan. But, hey, thanks > for the question - that's why I started the thread! Something like 80% of my companie's total health care costs are for scrip meds. Important question indeed! From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Mar 1 19:26:44 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Wed Mar 1 19:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Comments on HSAs? References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:du27th$1t8$1@news.spamcop.net... . An aside slow/late/no pay seems > to be part of their business plan. The larger the company, the longer they hold on to your money. They don't like to pay on time because the longer they have it, the more interest they get. Miss Betsy From skiwi at spamcop.net Wed Mar 1 21:02:10 2006 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (Skiwi) Date: Thu Mar 2 00:05:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Doofus.....Bush 'fell off bike while waving' In-Reply-To: <44060D71.2A95DCF@spamcop.net> References: <44060D71.2A95DCF@spamcop.net> Message-ID: Kenneth Brody wrote: [snip] > Reminds me of a storyline in the pilot of "The West Wing", in which "the > President, while out cycling, came to a sudden arboreal stop". The real life president vs. a tree - hmmmm... From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 08:14:45 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Thu Mar 2 03:15:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Dork Mode : WAS: What a great way to start the day.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steven Maesslein wrote: > On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:16:28 +0000, Chris Wright coughed into > spamcop.social and left this in : > >> What exactly are you trying to achieve? I couldn't find it in the thread >> (damn Newsgroup is broken on my ISP's server, am sure I am missing a few >> posts) > > ??? > > news.spamcop.net should have nothing to do with your ISP... > Hmm... you got a point there seeing as I connect directly to the server at spamcop. My bad, 99% of my other subscriptions are through my ISP's NNTP server. Am using Thunderbird 1.5 and I shall need to look at why it hasn't pulled down all messages from certain threads (assuming they are still on the server). Is there a web interface ? From nobody at nowhere.invalid Thu Mar 2 11:39:47 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Thu Mar 2 05:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Dork Mode : WAS: What a great way to start the day.... References: Message-ID: On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 08:14:45 +0000, Chris Wright coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : > Am using Thunderbird 1.5 and I shall need to look at why it hasn't > pulled down all messages from certain threads (assuming they are still > on the server). Are you using a killfile, maybe? > Is there a web interface ? There are archives, yes, but you can't post via a web form AFAIK. http://news.spamcop.net/pipermail/spamcop-social/ -- Steve Sign spotted on a repair shop door: WE CAN REPAIR ANYTHING. (PLEASE KNOCK HARD ON THE DOOR - THE BELL DOESN'T WORK) From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Mar 2 06:55:46 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Thu Mar 2 07:05:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Because we're a great country, that's why... Message-ID: http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110008020 "Never has an article made me blink with astonishment as much as when I read in yesterday's New York Times magazine that Sayed Rahmatullah Hashemi, former ambassador-at-large for the Taliban, is now studying at Yale on a U.S. student visa. This is taking the obsession that U.S. universities have with promoting diversity a bit too far. I don't believe Mr. Rahmatullah had direct knowledge of the 9/11 plot, and I don't think he has ever killed anyone. I can appreciate that he is trying to rebuild his life. But he willingly and cheerfully served an evil regime in a manner that would have made Goebbels proud. That he was 22 at the time is little of an excuse. There are many poor, bright students--American and foreign alike--who would jump at the opportunity to attend Yale. Why should Mr. Rahmatullah go to the line ahead of all of them? That's a question Yale alumni should ask when their alma mater comes looking for contributions. President Bush, who already has a well-known disdain for Yale elitism from his student days there, may also have some questions. In the wake of his being blindsided by his own administration over the Dubai port deal, he should be interested in finding out exactly who at the State Department approved Mr. Rahmatullah's application for a student visa. " From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Mar 2 08:55:42 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Thu Mar 2 09:00:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: School prayer and tolerance. References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:du331t$jfn$1@news.spamcop.net... > http://www.jumbojoke.com/the_pastors_pen_120.html If you really wanted to teach tolerance of other religions, then each child in turn would be allowed to say a prayer of hir choice - not leading the class, but simply offering his prayer. The time would be followed by time for each child to offer whatever prayer or read whatever 'inspirational' reading silently. It is an established technique for groups to have a quiet time to focus on what you are going to do. It would be a time of sharing without evangelization. It would accomplish the purpose of prayer or whatever the technique is called to focus on what you are about to do. No one would be able to leave because nothing is being taught except to 'focus' in whatever way is your choice and it is unconstitutional to suppress any religion. Those children who have no religion can either be silent when the time comes for their turn or read from some secular guide that pertains to getting on task. The only thing that would be taught is that it is a good idea to have a quiet time to focus on what you are about to do and that prayer, silence, relaxation techniques are ways that individuals do that. By eliminating all prayer from the schools, you are promoting intolerance of all religion. And, IMHO, that is what is feeding the religious zealots' determination to include 'their' brand of religion in the schools or establishing alternate schools. My mother was very much against private schools saying that public education was the way that US citizens learned about tolerance and became united in purpose. Naturally she thought that allowing private schools promotes intolerance and ignorance of other religions and cultures and contributes to division when it comes to public policy. Miss Betsy From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Mar 2 09:57:26 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Mar 2 10:00:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Because we're a great country, that's why... References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-2010C0.09171102032006@frylock.local... > What a maroon. If he and his ilk have their way, and the ACLU loses > the suit that their pushing, then the US will be allowed to deny visas > because of people's ideological views. Ideological? I'd say if they did, it would be with good reason: http://americandaily.com/article/12170 "A former high-profile member of Afghanistan's Taliban government is now attending one this nation's Ivy League institutions. Sayed Rahnatullah Hashemi held the official title of 'ambassador at large' for the Taliban, he was basically a spokesman for the terrorist regime. Five years later...He is now a student at Yale University. The fact that the spokes-terrorist for the Taliban is now attending one of this nation's premier universities is maddening for many reasons. As the chief propagandist for the organization which sponsored the 9/11 attacks, Hashemi should be in a prison cell rather than the ivy covered halls of Yale. In fact, Hashemi realizes just how fortunate he is to have escaped justice. He recently told a New York Times reporter: "In some ways I'm the luckiest person in the world. I could have ended up in Guantanamo Bay. Instead I ended up at Yale." Why did the State Department issue a student visa to member of the Taliban? Why would Yale admit such a person? I cannot answer the motives behind the State Department decision to issue a visa to a well known terrorist. However, it is hard to imagine that President Bush (a Yale alumnus) had no knowledge of the decision. I would like to see that question posed to President Bush's liar-for-hire Scott McClellan (Bush Administration Press Secretary)." From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Thu Mar 2 12:28:02 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu Mar 2 12:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Because we're a great country, that's why... References: Message-ID: In article , "Heidi" wrote: > http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110008020 John Fund, the author of that piece of crap, is a lying wingnut fucktard. He got his fiance pregnant, forced her to have an abortion, and then emotionally and physically abused her. Then he orchestrated a media campaign to slander, defame and discredit the woman. He has no moral authority to speak about anything. He doesn't even rise to the level of slime. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com In the republic of mediocrity genius is dangerous. (Robert G. Ingersoll) From nobody at nowhere.invalid Thu Mar 2 18:32:03 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Thu Mar 2 12:35:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Because we're a great country, that's why... References: Message-ID: On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 10:57:48 -0500, David Dean coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : > I can agree with denying visas to criminals, but I cannot agree with > denying visas to people just because they hold different views than > those in political power. Trouble is, for some people it's the same thing... -- Steve God prefers spiritual fruit, not religious nuts... From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Mar 2 12:34:06 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Mar 2 12:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Because we're a great country, that's why... References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-C6F88B.12280202032006@news.cesmail.net... > In article , "Heidi" wrote: > > > http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110008020 > > John Fund, the author of that piece of crap, is a lying wingnut fucktard. He got > his fiance pregnant, forced her to have an abortion, and then emotionally and > physically abused her. Then he orchestrated a media campaign to slander, defame > and discredit the woman. He has no moral authority to speak about anything. He > doesn't even rise to the level of slime. Whatever he did in his personal life doesn't change the story, does it? From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Mar 2 12:34:10 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Mar 2 12:40:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Because we're a great country, that's why... References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-FD26D2.10574802032006@frylock.local... > In article , > "Spamvireslayer" wrote: > > > Ideological? I'd say if they did, it would be with good reason: > > I can agree with denying visas to criminals, but I cannot agree with > denying visas to people just because they hold different views than > those in political power. I wouldn't classify someone who whored for the Taliban as having "different views". The Taliban he promoted was pleased with themselves for destroying 1500 year old statues And who says he's "former" Taliban? How do we know that, has he handed in his gym pass and club ID? From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 18:48:13 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Thu Mar 2 13:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Because we're a great country, that's why... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "David Dean" wrote in message > news:ozchzhq02-2010C0.09171102032006@frylock.local... >> What a maroon. If he and his ilk have their way, and the ACLU loses >> the suit that their pushing, then the US will be allowed to deny visas >> because of people's ideological views. > > Ideological? I'd say if they did, it would be with good reason: > http://americandaily.com/article/12170 > > "A former high-profile member of Afghanistan's Taliban government is now attending > one this nation's Ivy League institutions. Sayed Rahnatullah Hashemi held the > official title of 'ambassador at large' for the Taliban, he was basically a spokesman > for the terrorist regime. Five years later...He is now a student at Yale University. > > The fact that the spokes-terrorist for the Taliban is now attending one of this > nation's premier universities is maddening for many reasons. As the chief > propagandist for the organization which sponsored the 9/11 attacks, Hashemi should be > in a prison cell rather than the ivy covered halls of Yale. > > In fact, Hashemi realizes just how fortunate he is to have escaped justice. He > recently told a New York Times reporter: "In some ways I'm the luckiest person in the > world. I could have ended up in Guantanamo Bay. Instead I ended up at Yale." > > Why did the State Department issue a student visa to member of the Taliban? Why would > Yale admit such a person? > > I cannot answer the motives behind the State Department decision to issue a visa to a > well known terrorist. However, it is hard to imagine that President Bush (a Yale > alumnus) had no knowledge of the decision. I would like to see that question posed to > President Bush's liar-for-hire Scott McClellan (Bush Administration Press > Secretary)." > > Before all the troubles, it was the UK and the US that was paying for the Taliban, supplying the weapons and providing training. Back then it was in our interest, since they were fighting the Russians. Will the US be calling for no more Muslims to be allowed to attend US colleges next just because of a few other 'so called' Muslims that don't deserve the title human, let alone a religious tag. He was a member of the Taliban. And? He shared the views of the Taliban? So? He is in one of the best educational places in the US, one would hope, with a decent education behind him he will be in a better position to right any wrongs he made, see the errors of some of his previous beliefs. But the author appears to be looking for a topic of conversation that will cause contraversory and he will get it. Now if you told me he had committed a crime, that would be different dependant on the crime. Regards Chris From nobody at nowhere.invalid Thu Mar 2 20:23:34 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Thu Mar 2 14:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Because we're a great country, that's why... References: Message-ID: On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 13:44:53 -0500, David Dean coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : >> Trouble is, for some people it's the same thing... > > How is that troubling? If the person is a criminal, it doesn't matter > what their ideology is. If they aren't, it still shouldn't matter. That's not what I meant. In some places, holding different opinions from TPTB *is* sufficient to be treated like and defined as a criminal. -- Steve Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying of nothing. From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 19:25:44 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Thu Mar 2 14:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Because we're a great country, that's why... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > In article , "Heidi" wrote: > >> http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110008020 > > John Fund, the author of that piece of crap, is a lying wingnut fucktard. He got > his fiance pregnant, forced her to have an abortion, and then emotionally and > physically abused her. Then he orchestrated a media campaign to slander, defame > and discredit the woman. He has no moral authority to speak about anything. He > doesn't even rise to the level of slime. Ok, apart from knowing the next Presidential Candidate? What has that got to do with it ;) (Other than the inflamatory reason for writing the article in the first place). (The article) That's not news, and definetly not worthy of the WSJ. There wasn't even an journalism done. Just trying to pour oil onto the fire. Regards Chris From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Mar 2 14:59:50 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Mar 2 15:05:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Because we're a great country, that's why... References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-90CE05.14362002032006@frylock.local... > In article , > Steven Maesslein wrote: > > > That's not what I meant. In some places, holding different opinions from > > TPTB *is* sufficient to be treated like and defined as a criminal. > > Well, I would hope that the USA wouldn't act that way. But wouldn't it just be the biggest "F*CK YOU" from Bin Laden to Bush to have one of his deputies educated at Bush's alma mater, taking courses on terrorism and then coming back to get us again? From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Mar 2 15:07:06 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Mar 2 15:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: School prayer and tolerance. References: Message-ID: "Miss Betsy" | > http://www.jumbojoke.com/the_pastors_pen_120.html | | If you really wanted to teach tolerance of other religions, then each child | in turn would be allowed to say a prayer of hir choice - not leading the | class, but simply offering his prayer. The time would be followed by time | for each child to offer whatever prayer or read whatever 'inspirational' | reading silently. It is an established technique for groups to have a quiet | time to focus on what you are going to do. That's not how to teach tolerance as the technique has proven to be contentious (at best) and is a major cause of problem for all concerned. | It would be a time of sharing without evangelization. Good luck on that one. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Mar 2 15:23:25 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Mar 2 15:30:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] No more lost dogs Message-ID: ...until they manage to ditch the collar. Cool thing if you have an escape artist though. http://www.globalpetfinder.com/ From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Thu Mar 2 21:19:08 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Thu Mar 2 16:20:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What a great way to start the day.... References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in news:du43om$5nn$1@news.spamcop.net: > > To my understanding the head float on a thin cushion of air. > > It does? I thought it was the actuator arm that held the head itself. (Sort of like a recordplayer in a sense.. except it is suspended a few microns above the platter.) From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 21:19:43 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Thu Mar 2 16:20:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Because we're a great country, that's why... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "David Dean" wrote in message > news:ozchzhq02-90CE05.14362002032006@frylock.local... >> In article , >> Steven Maesslein wrote: >> >>> That's not what I meant. In some places, holding different opinions from >>> TPTB *is* sufficient to be treated like and defined as a criminal. >> Well, I would hope that the USA wouldn't act that way. > > But wouldn't it just be the biggest "F*CK YOU" from Bin Laden to Bush to have one of > his deputies educated at Bush's alma mater, taking courses on terrorism and then > coming back to get us again? > > You'll be suggesting next that it IS Bin Laden who has had Plastic Surgury (paid for by the CIA probably). From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Mar 2 16:34:47 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Mar 2 16:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What a great way to start the day.... References: Message-ID: "Redstone" | > | > To my understanding the head floats on a thin cushion of air. | > | > | | It does? I thought it was the actuator arm that held the head itself. (Sort | of like a recordplayer in a sense.. except it is suspended a few microns | above the platter.) Exactly but the thing that keeps the head off the platter is a very very thin cushion of air. From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Mar 2 18:03:05 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Thu Mar 2 18:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: School prayer and tolerance. References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-CA5A36.09193602032006@frylock.local... > In article , > "Miss Betsy" wrote: > >> If you really wanted to teach tolerance of other religions, then each >> child >> in turn would be allowed to say a prayer of hir choice - not leading the >> class, but simply offering his prayer. > > It wouldn't promote tolerance, it would be like being forced to wear > a star of David. Everyone would know who the minorities are and it would > be easier to single them out for "conversion", discrimination, or worse. You are pessimistic. If people want to be 'different', then they can stand up for their rights. There are laws against discrimination, etc. They can avail themselves of the laws. Or they can hide by something conventional. OTOH, there might be more people who are willing to be 'tolerant' of diversity than you think there are. And if not, making the 'public/governmental' institutions willing to support whatever religion or non-religion might bring about the teaching of tolerance. Not allowing any expression of religion is not teaching tolerance of religion. Miss Betsy From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Mar 2 18:05:28 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Thu Mar 2 18:05:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: School prayer and tolerance. References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:du7jgg$cm9$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Miss Betsy" > > | > http://www.jumbojoke.com/the_pastors_pen_120.html > | > | If you really wanted to teach tolerance of other religions, then each > child > | in turn would be allowed to say a prayer of hir choice - not leading the > | class, but simply offering his prayer. The time would be followed by > time > | for each child to offer whatever prayer or read whatever 'inspirational' > | reading silently. It is an established technique for groups to have a > quiet > | time to focus on what you are going to do. > > That's not how to teach tolerance as the technique has proven to be > contentious (at best) and is a major cause of problem for all concerned. It has never been tried so you cannot say that it will not work. > > | It would be a time of sharing without evangelization. > > Good luck on that one. Evangelization takes two. The street corner preachers can preach if they want to. How many converts do they get? the child who is coerced by parents to evangelize will essentially be a street corner preacher. No one has to pay attention to hir message. Miss Betsy From bert at iphouse.com Fri Mar 3 00:06:33 2006 From: bert at iphouse.com (Bert Hyman) Date: Thu Mar 2 19:10:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Because we're a great country, that's why... References: Message-ID: In news:ozchzhq02-FD26D2.10574802032006@frylock.local David Dean wrote: > In article , > "Spamvireslayer" wrote: > >> Ideological? I'd say if they did, it would be with good reason: > > I can agree with denying visas to criminals, but I cannot agree > with denying visas to people just because they hold different views > than those in political power. Would you be so free to admit him if he was a spammer? -- Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Thu Mar 2 20:23:58 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu Mar 2 20:25:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Because we're a great country, that's why... References: Message-ID: In article , "Spamvireslayer" wrote: > "D.F. Manno" wrote in message > > > "Heidi" wrote: > > > > > http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110008020 > > > > John Fund, the author of that piece of crap, is a lying > > wingnut fucktard. He got his fiance pregnant, forced her to > > have an abortion, and then emotionally and physically abused > > her. Then he orchestrated a media campaign to slander, defame > > and discredit the woman. He has no moral authority to speak > > about anything. He doesn't even rise to the level of slime. > > Whatever he did in his personal life doesn't change the story, > does it? He should be in jail. He has forfeited any right to complain about who's at Yale. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com In the republic of mediocrity genius is dangerous. (Robert G. Ingersoll) From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Mar 2 20:57:45 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Mar 2 21:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: School prayer and tolerance. References: Message-ID: "Miss Betsy" wrote in message news:du7tm5$idd$1@news.spamcop.net... | | "Frog Prince" wrote in message | news:du7jgg$cm9$1@news.spamcop.net... | > | > "Miss Betsy" | > | > | > http://www.jumbojoke.com/the_pastors_pen_120.html | > | | > | If you really wanted to teach tolerance of other religions, then each | > child in turn would be allowed to say a prayer of hir choice - not leading the | > | class, but simply offering his prayer. The time would be followed by | > time for each child to offer whatever prayer or read whatever 'inspirational' | > | reading silently. It is an established technique for groups to have a | > quiet time to focus on what you are going to do. | > | > That's not how to teach tolerance as the technique has proven to be | > contentious (at best) and is a major cause of problem for all concerned. | | It has never been tried so you cannot say that it will not work. But it has in various forms and it has failed, miserable. | > | It would be a time of sharing without evangelization. | > | > Good luck on that one. | | Evangelization takes two. The street corner preachers can preach if they | want to. How many converts do they get? the child who is coerced by | parents to evangelize will essentially be a street corner preacher. No one | has to pay attention to his message. It takes only one who is on a mission from god. The effect is to abuse those who are lest able to defend themselves. This is espically true when there is a communal mind set in support of evangelizing. From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Mar 2 21:04:23 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Mar 2 21:10:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: School prayer and tolerance. References: Message-ID: "Miss Betsy" | > | >> If you really wanted to teach tolerance of other religions, then each | >> child | >> in turn would be allowed to say a prayer of hir choice - not leading the | >> class, but simply offering his prayer. | > | > It wouldn't promote tolerance, it would be like being forced to wear | > a star of David. Everyone would know who the minorities are and it would | > be easier to single them out for "conversion", discrimination, or worse. | | You are pessimistic. I'd say realest and my guess one who speaks from experience. | If people want to be 'different', then they can stand up for their rights. | There are laws against discrimination, etc. They can avail themselves of | the laws. Or they can hide by something conventional. Why must anyone be compelled to 'stand up' for their rights, the society should be proactive in seeing that that eventuality is not necessary. | | OTOH, there might be more people who are willing to be 'tolerant' of | diversity than you think there are. And if not, making the | 'public/governmental' institutions willing to support whatever religion or | non-religion might bring about the teaching of tolerance. Not allowing any | expression of religion is not teaching tolerance of religion. It takes only one who is intolerant of others beliefs to muck up the works. Recall the controversy sounding the child that taunted fellow students (who were not Christian) that they were going to hell. Or the bunch of good Christian teens who left a church camp to beat up homosexuals. From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Mar 2 22:20:56 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Mar 2 22:40:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] My kinda gal Message-ID: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/80006/home_alone/ From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Mar 2 22:30:08 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Mar 2 22:40:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Our nest President!!! Message-ID: http://www.break.com/index/billdance.html From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Mar 3 06:33:12 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Fri Mar 3 06:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: School prayer and tolerance. References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-7A98B8.18322902032006@frylock.local... > In article , > "Miss Betsy" wrote: >> If people want to be 'different', then they can stand up for their >> rights. > > The majority isn't very often tolerant of people who stand up for > their rights. How many years did it take for the civil rights movement? > How many years will it be for gay marriage? Will we ever see a Muslim, > Buddhist, Wiccan, Atheist, or Hindu President? That's my point. Tolerance doesn't happen by exclusion. It happens because some people are willing to 'be different' > >> There are laws against discrimination, etc. They can avail themselves of >> the laws. > > That is what they are doing when they ask that religion be excluded > from the classroom. But that discriminates against those who want religion in the classroom. A completely neutral position - that a period of quiet to focus on what they will be doing that can be used in whatever way a child wants to use to focus with examples of how different people use it - discriminates against no one, yet allows everyone to express themselves in whatever they want. If someone doesn't want to be 'different' that is not the school's problem. If someone abuses the system by using it for evangelization (not a focussing technique), they can be disciplined. If someone does stand up and then is discriminated against in some other venue, that is another problem and one that there are laws about. We didn't get civil rights laws without that little girl going to school with soldiers to protect her. > >> Or they can hide by something conventional. > > Stay in the closet isn't a tolerance building solution. But it is an individual decision. If the school permits expression in whatever way the person wants to express themselves (for the purpose of getting focussed for class), then it is up to the individual to decide whether to avail themselves of that permission or not. No one is forced to either be silent or to speak up. All they are required to do is to be tolerant of whoever does speak up (not interrupting nor making comments) and they have an opportunity to do it their way in silence so that if they don't want to speak up, they still have an opportunity to do it a different way. There is no 'official' stance except that it is good to have a period of time to reflect on what you are about to do. Miss Betsy From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Mar 3 06:43:43 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Fri Mar 3 06:45:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: School prayer and tolerance. References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:du8895$o3g$2@news.spamcop.net... > | You are pessimistic. > > I'd say realest and my guess one who speaks from experience. That's what he said. However, it is not the government's job to 'prevent' differences. It is only the government's job to provide room for all. > > | If people want to be 'different', then they can stand up for their > rights. > | There are laws against discrimination, etc. They can avail themselves > of > | the laws. Or they can hide by something conventional. > > Why must anyone be compelled to 'stand up' for their rights, the society > should be proactive in seeing that that eventuality is not necessary. Then society needs to be proactive in teaching tolerance - which is best done by example not words. Society needs to allow different expressions without comment in situations where there are more than one way of doing something. > > | > | OTOH, there might be more people who are willing to be 'tolerant' of > | diversity than you think there are. And if not, making the > | 'public/governmental' institutions willing to support whatever religion > or > | non-religion might bring about the teaching of tolerance. Not allowing > any > | expression of religion is not teaching tolerance of religion. > > It takes only one who is intolerant of others beliefs to muck up the > works. > Recall the controversy sounding the child that taunted fellow students > (who > were not Christian) that they were going to hell. Again, children taunt children about all kinds of things. There are teaching techniques to deal with that kind of behavior. A child whose parents do not believe in heaven and hell and are willing to say so should be able to give that child support that s/he is not going to hell, to help the child to deal with rejection, and perhaps even to lobby the school to use some techniques against bullying. > > Or the bunch of good Christian teens who left a church camp to beat up > homosexuals. Did that happen before or after prayer was abolished from the schools? IMHO, it is an irrelevant argument. Miss Betsy From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Mar 3 06:52:55 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Fri Mar 3 06:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: School prayer and tolerance. References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns977AA714D948Fspamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... > "Miss Betsy" wrote in > news:du7tm5$idd$1@news.spamcop.net: > > >>> >>> | It would be a time of sharing without evangelization. >>> >>> Good luck on that one. >> >> Evangelization takes two. The street corner preachers can preach if >> they want to. How many converts do they get? the child who is >> coerced by parents to evangelize will essentially be a street corner >> preacher. No one has to pay attention to hir message. > > It's not the kids I'd be worried about. It's the teachers who might be > inclined to take to the pulpit at the end of class or something that would > concern me. They would not be allowed to. In fact, the children would not be allowed to use the time for evangelization because it would be an abuse of the 'focussing' time. Teachers who are prejudiced one way or another can influence what happens in their class. But there are already safeguards against that. And I don't think it hurts children to know that adults are 'different' also. IMHO, it would be just great, as in the original scenario that FP outlined, if there were that many different teachers within a school and that each could start hir class in hir own way. However, there generally aren't so it is not a practical way of teaching tolerance. You just cannot teach tolerance of both religious and non-religious ways of thinking unless you allow them all to be expressed without comment. By banning any particular way, you are teaching intolerance. (And, IMHO, that is why the fundies are so vocal at this point in time). Miss Betsy From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Mar 3 06:59:43 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Fri Mar 3 07:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: School prayer and tolerance. References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:du8894$o3g$1@news.spamcop.net... It is an established technique for groups to have a > | > quiet time to focus on what you are going to do. > | > > | > That's not how to teach tolerance as the technique has proven to be > | > contentious (at best) and is a major cause of problem for all > concerned. > | > | It has never been tried so you cannot say that it will not work. > > But it has in various forms and it has failed, miserable. Because the 'silent' time was a substitute for prayer. My proposal is not a substitute for prayer. It is using an established technique which doesn't have to be a prayer, but could be. > | > | It would be a time of sharing without evangelization. > | > > | > Good luck on that one. > | > | Evangelization takes two. The street corner preachers can preach if > they > | want to. How many converts do they get? the child who is coerced by > | parents to evangelize will essentially be a street corner preacher. No > one > | has to pay attention to his message. > > It takes only one who is on a mission from god. The effect is to abuse > those who are lest able to defend themselves. This is espically true when > there is a communal mind set in support of evangelizing. People without religion are less able to defend themselves? In small communities, there is likely to be a dominant culture including religion. No laws are going to make it easier for the outsider to be in that community. However, laws can be made that, if the outsider wants to, s/he can express themselves differently in public places such as schools. After that, it is up to the individual whether to take advantage of that opportunity or not. Miss Betsy From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Mar 3 07:30:43 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Mar 3 08:05:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: School prayer and tolerance. References: Message-ID: "Miss Betsy" | > It takes only one who is on a mission from god. The effect is to abuse | > those who are lest able to defend themselves. This is especially true when | > there is a communal mind set in support of evangelizing. | | People without religion are less able to defend themselves? In small | communities, there is likely to be a dominant culture including religion. | No laws are going to make it easier for the outsider to be in that | community. However, laws can be made that, if the outsider wants to, s/he | can express themselves differently in public places such as schools. After | that, it is up to the individual whether to take advantage of that | opportunity or not. Children are, in fact, less able to defend themselves which is why we have serious problems with pedophiles. You assume people without religion, I made no such qualification. This is a heavily Baptist area and the infighting among Baptist is fierce. We have laws that greatly restrict the abuse of students in the name of religion and they don't work, yet you want to introduce a process that virtually guarantees the abuse. Tolerance and ethics can be taught without the injection of religion. If fact it is manifestly easer to teach tolerance WITHOUT the injection of religion in the process. From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Mar 3 08:00:17 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Mar 3 08:05:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: School prayer and tolerance. References: Message-ID: "Miss Betsy" | > Or the bunch of good Christian teens who left a church camp to beat up | > homosexuals. | | Did that happen before or after prayer was abolished from the schools? | IMHO, it is an irrelevant argument. No, as it was it happened this was during a convocation for the teaching of understanding of religious truths. From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Mar 3 08:08:00 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Mar 3 08:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: School prayer and tolerance. References: Message-ID: "Miss Betsy" | >>> | >>> | It would be a time of sharing without evangelization. | >>> | >>> Good luck on that one. | >> | >> Evangelization takes two. The street corner preachers can preach if | >> they want to. How many converts do they get? the child who is | >> coerced by parents to evangelize will essentially be a street corner | >> preacher. No one has to pay attention to hir message. | > | > It's not the kids I'd be worried about. It's the teachers who might be | > inclined to take to the pulpit at the end of class or something that would | > concern me. | | They would not be allowed to. In fact, the children would not be allowed to | use the time for evangelization because it would be an abuse of the | 'focussing' time. They (whoever they might be) are less allowed at the current time yet the abuse is clearly evident. | Teachers who are prejudiced one way or another can influence what happens in | their class. But there are already safeguards against that. And I don't | think it hurts children to know that adults are 'different' also. IMHO, it | would be just great, as in the original scenario that FP outlined, if there | were that many different teachers within a school and that each could start | hir class in hir own way. However, there generally aren't so it is not a | practical way of teaching tolerance. Again you don't seem to grasp either the dynamics of the school environment or the mind set of those who would push the a** end of the camel into the tent. | You just cannot teach tolerance of both religious and non-religious ways of | thinking unless you allow them all to be expressed without comment. By | banning any particular way, you are teaching intolerance. (And, IMHO, that | is why the fundies are so vocal at this point in time). You can teach the dynamics of nuclear fusion without setting off a hydrogen bomb. Fundies are so vocal as it's first a good rallying cry for the preachers (we need your prayers and your financial support to teach these agents of the devil the TRUE FAITH). You're mouthing tolerance the fundies are working toward an American version of the Taliban Religious Police. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Mar 3 08:47:33 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Mar 3 08:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Comments on HSAs? References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was "indigo" ! > > > > Something like 80% of my companie's total health care costs are for > > scrip meds. Important question indeed! > > 80%? But that's insane! Dude, we're totally not there - trust me. > I know the meds my coworkers take :) We have a lot of old aerospace engineers...... From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Mar 3 08:49:29 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Mar 3 08:50:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ms. Smith Goes to Washington References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > There's no will is there, saying that it should all go to his son and > not to her? Unless someone can prove foul play and that he was > coerced into what he did then it ought to be taken at face value - he > had a very happy last few months of life and rewarded her accordingly. The son is just being a greedy bastard. Half a billion isn't enough for him? Tough titties. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Fri Mar 3 08:56:49 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Mar 3 09:00:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ms. Smith Goes to Washington References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:du9hha$nga$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > There's no will is there, saying that it should all go to his son and > > not to her? Unless someone can prove foul play and that he was > > coerced into what he did then it ought to be taken at face value - he > > had a very happy last few months of life and rewarded her accordingly. > > The son is just being a greedy bastard. Half a billion isn't enough for him? > Tough titties. There was some evidence that the son had tampered with documents, forging them after his father died, he should be prosceuted for that alone. She actually looked dignified for a change, that was a pleasant surprise. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Fri Mar 3 08:57:27 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Mar 3 09:00:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Comments on HSAs? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:du9hdm$nfh$1@news.spamcop.net... > > We have a lot of old aerospace engineers...... What drugs do old space cadets get? From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Fri Mar 3 08:59:39 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Mar 3 09:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: No more lost dogs References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns977AA6BA5B776spamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... > > Cool! Reckon I'll get one of these for hubby LOL. It doesn't say if you > have to pay a monthly fee, do you know if there is one? It's pretty > expensive up front but I can't imagine they'd let you track for nothing. I don't know, I didn't look past the price - ouch! No doubt some people will pay it, though. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Fri Mar 3 09:12:47 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Mar 3 09:20:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ms. Smith Goes to Washington References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9779B07BDAA39spamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... > > I tend to side with her since the law is on her side, or would be in any > ordinary case where there's no pre-nup and they're in a consenting > marriage. It's not like the guy died the day after the wedding or > anything... not that I think she ought to get everything but she was the > one smart enough to find and marry a dying billionaire so she should get > her just rewards. I don't know what he was worth but if it was $1bn then > I think she ought to get at least a quarter of that. There's no will is > there, saying that it should all go to his son and not to her? Unless > someone can prove foul play and that he was coerced into what he did > then it ought to be taken at face value - he had a very happy last few > months of life and rewarded her accordingly. Apparently J. Howard Marshall was quite a randy old buck...maybe his son would have preferred for it not to be public knowledge, eh? http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1662901&page=2 "Marshall had built his fortune on 40 years in the oil business. He divorced his first wife, and outlived both his second wife and a mistress, who also was a stripper. " From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Fri Mar 3 10:20:39 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Mar 3 10:25:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] So much for competition Message-ID: http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/02/technology/bandwidth/ NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - New rates for high-speed Internet access may be in the works as phone companies and telecom equipment makers develop plans to charge customers rates based on how much bandwidth, or Internet capacity, they use, according to a report published Thursday. Some phone companies, including BellSouth Corp. (Research), are mulling "pay-as-you-go broadband" plans that would charge customers more for bandwidth-guzzling activities like streaming video, than for Internet surfing, The Wall Street Journal said From smjg_1998 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 3 16:05:30 2006 From: smjg_1998 at yahoo.com (Stewart Gordon) Date: Fri Mar 3 11:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: fattest cat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > David Dean wrote in news:ozchzhq02- > F580DF.11311528022006@frylock.local: > >>> Can anybody figure out what units that 40.8 is in? >> It looked like pounds to me. > > It must be... can't be kilos LOL (that'd be a mega-cat) No, a megacat would be 40800000 lb = 18506568.696 kg. :-) Stewart. -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS/M d- s:- C++@ a->--- UB@ P+ L E@ W++@ N+++ o K-@ w++@ O? M V? PS- PE- Y? PGP- t- 5? X? R b DI? D G e++>++++ h-- r-- !y ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ My e-mail is valid but not my primary mailbox. Please keep replies on the 'group where everyone may benefit. From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Mar 3 11:47:57 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Mar 3 11:50:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Comments on HSAs? References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" | | What drugs do old space cadets get? Viagra ... there are some things even a degree in mechanical engineering can't support up without help. From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Mar 3 15:07:24 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Fri Mar 3 15:10:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: School prayer and tolerance. References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:du9enr$d3f$2@news.spamcop.net... > No, as it was it happened this was during a convocation for the teaching > of > understanding of religious truths. > Since you can't stop church camps from happening, it is irrelevant to whether there should be tolerance for different forms of 'focusing' in schools. Miss Betsy From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Mar 3 15:21:36 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Fri Mar 3 15:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: School prayer and tolerance. References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:du9f4a$edp$1@news.spamcop.net... > | They would not be allowed to. In fact, the children would not be > allowed > to > | use the time for evangelization because it would be an abuse of the > | 'focussing' time. > > They (whoever they might be) are less allowed at the current time yet the > abuse is clearly evident. So how would teaching tolerance in the schools aggravate the situation? > Again you don't seem to grasp either the dynamics of the school > environment > or the mind set of those who would push the a** end of the camel into the > tent. I understand exactly what you are saying. I just don't think that fighting 'fire with fire' by banning their expression of 'focussing' time is the best way to fight them. You can discipline a child for ignoring the intent of the 'focusing' time, but you can't discipline them for evangelizing. > > | You just cannot teach tolerance of both religious and non-religious ways > of > | thinking unless you allow them all to be expressed without comment. By > | banning any particular way, you are teaching intolerance. (And, IMHO, > that > | is why the fundies are so vocal at this point in time). > > You can teach the dynamics of nuclear fusion without setting off a > hydrogen > bomb. So who is setting off a bomb? I am not advocating evangelism as part of the curriculum. In fact, I am not advocating prayer. What I am advocating is that children be exposed to various forms of 'focusing' including prayer as a matter of course so that they learn that there are other ways of doing things than what happens in their homes. > > Fundies are so vocal as it's first a good rallying cry for the preachers > (we > need your prayers and your financial support to teach these agents of the > devil the TRUE FAITH). > > You're mouthing tolerance the fundies are working toward an American > version > of the Taliban Religious Police. I don't feel called to work toward putting my ideas into action. However, I am not mouthing tolerance. I know people who are fundamentalist and it is very difficult for them to call me 'an agent of the devil' (though on occasion they do, but so far they have backed down). I do put into practice (in other settings) the tolerance that I believe in. And I don't 'hide' in general (though sometimes I choose not to engage in dialogue). Nothing is ever gained by either fight or flight. Miss Betsy > > From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Mar 3 15:38:20 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Fri Mar 3 15:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: School prayer and tolerance. References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:du9enr$d3f$1@news.spamcop.net... > Children are, in fact, less able to defend themselves which is why we have > serious problems with pedophiles. We are talking about children abusing other children, are we not? Not adults who are evangelizing in the playground. > > You assume people without religion, I made no such qualification. This is > a > heavily Baptist area and the infighting among Baptist is fierce. We have > laws that greatly restrict the abuse of students in the name of religion > and > they don't work, yet you want to introduce a process that virtually > guarantees the abuse. > > Tolerance and ethics can be taught without the injection of religion. If > fact it is manifestly easer to teach tolerance WITHOUT the injection of > religion in the process. IMHO, it is not easier to teach tolerance and ethics with no religion since what we know of tolerance and ethics is on a spiritual basis and that's the way we learn it at home (most of us). The religious dimension of life cannot be ignored without making it 'wrong.' And especially if you are not practicing tolerance of what you yourself abhor. The fundies have a right to work toward making the US a fundamentalist state. It has nothing to do with what others may want to practice. However, you are right. People don't understand about tolerance. People are uncomfortable with anything different and even if they would be accepting, they are forced to choose sides between no religious expression and a particular religious expression because no one is advocating /real/ tolerance. Miss Betsy Miss Betsy From kenbrody at spamcop.net Fri Mar 3 16:45:02 2006 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Fri Mar 3 16:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: No more lost dogs References: Message-ID: <4408B8DE.DB21B7D1@spamcop.net> Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > "Spamvireslayer" wrote in > news:du7kcl$dc6$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > ...until they manage to ditch the collar. Cool thing if you have an > > escape artist though. > > http://www.globalpetfinder.com/ > > Cool! Reckon I'll get one of these for hubby LOL. It doesn't say if you > have to pay a monthly fee, do you know if there is one? It's pretty > expensive up front but I can't imagine they'd let you track for nothing. $349.99 purchase 34.99 activation 17.99 or 19.98 per month, depending on plan -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Mar 3 16:17:20 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Mar 3 16:50:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: School prayer and tolerance. References: Message-ID: "Miss Betsy" | > No, as it was it happened this was during a convocation for the teaching | > of | > understanding of religious truths. | > | | Since you can't stop church camps from happening, it is irrelevant to | whether there should be tolerance for different forms of 'focusing' in | schools. The point is that religious training is not a key for teaching tolerance. If anything it is the very opposite. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Mar 3 17:45:13 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Mar 3 17:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Because we're a great country, that's why... References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > > Why did the State Department issue a student visa to member of the > Taliban? Why would Yale admit such a person? Keep your friends close, and your enemies even closer? From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Mar 3 17:27:20 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Mar 3 17:50:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: School prayer and tolerance. References: Message-ID: "Miss Betsy" < | | > Children are, in fact, less able to defend themselves which is why we have | > serious problems with pedophiles. | | We are talking about children abusing other children, are we not? Not | adults who are evangelizing in the playground. In part yes but both in this context as the fundy parents egg on their kids. The point was the kids do not have the maturity or the tools to defend themselves from abuse. | > You assume people without religion, I made no such qualification. This is | > a heavily Baptist area and the infighting among Baptist is fierce. We have | > laws that greatly restrict the abuse of students in the name of religion | > and they don't work, yet you want to introduce a process that virtually | > guarantees the abuse. | > | > Tolerance and ethics can be taught without the injection of religion. If | > fact it is manifestly easer to teach tolerance WITHOUT the injection of | > religion in the process. | | IMHO, it is not easier to teach tolerance and ethics with no religion since | what we know of tolerance and ethics is on a spiritual basis and that's the | way we learn it at home (most of us). The religious dimension of life | cannot be ignored without making it 'wrong.' And especially if you are not | practicing tolerance of what you yourself abhor. The fundies have a right | to work toward making the US a fundamentalist state. It has nothing to do | with what others may want to practice. | | However, you are right. People don't understand about tolerance. People | are uncomfortable with anything different and even if they would be | accepting, they are forced to choose sides between no religious expression | and a particular religious expression because no one is advocating /real/ | tolerance. I've worked the tolerance and understanding education process from both sides. Even with a surface understanding of the ground rules doing so in a religious context requires the suspension of much religions doctrine. As example. Many Christina fundamentalists are hard fast that ONLY those who have born again in Christ can enter heaven. That excludes some other fundamentalists, most protestants, all Catholics, Muslims, Jews, etc. I know of one group who excludes anyone who does not totally support GWB. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Mar 3 17:54:28 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Mar 3 17:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Comments on HSAs? References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:du9hdm$nfh$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > We have a lot of old aerospace engineers...... > > What drugs do old space cadets get? Who knows.....most older people take a lot of meds for various ailments. And get this -- I saw that new infectious disease guy yesterday, he asked in my history had I ever taken any drugs, I said basically "yeah, I went to college", and the bastard just had me urine tested beside getting new blood tests! I mean WTF, I'm 44 years old, and he thinks I still mess around with pot and whatnot? Fsking stupid waste of money. From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 23:32:52 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Fri Mar 3 18:35:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Comments on HSAs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Spamvireslayer wrote: >> "indigo" wrote in message >> news:du9hdm$nfh$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> We have a lot of old aerospace engineers...... >> What drugs do old space cadets get? > > Who knows.....most older people take a lot of meds for various ailments. > > And get this -- I saw that new infectious disease guy yesterday, he asked in > my history had I ever taken any drugs, I said basically "yeah, I went to > college", and the bastard just had me urine tested beside getting new blood > tests! I mean WTF, I'm 44 years old, and he thinks I still mess around with > pot and whatnot? Fsking stupid waste of money. > > LOL Did the flower power shirt give you away ? (Was it a Friday? Dress down day at work?) That's worse than being asked your age at a bar... I'd have told him that he had taken the piss enough and you didn't need to give anymore. Chris From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Mar 3 23:44:51 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Mar 4 00:00:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] In the pockets of oil companies? References: <020320061323308932%Curtis@abcd.fake> Message-ID: "By H. JOSEF HEBERT, Associated Press Writer Thu Mar 2, 4:09 AM ET WASHINGTON - How it happened or who's responsible is a mystery eight years after the fact. But what may have been a simple error < or perhaps something more ominous < has given a multimillion-dollar windfall to a group of oil and gas companies and could cost the government billions of dollars more in the years to come. The Interior Department disclosed Wednesday that a provision was mysteriously deleted from hundreds of federal drilling leases in the late 1990s that would have required producers to pay royalties, once prices reached a certain level, on oil or gas taken from deep waters of the Gulf of Mexico. In 1995, Congress exempted deep-water oil from royalty payments to spur development. But a price threshold was included in leases issued in 1996 and 1997 and again in leases sold in each year since 2000 that reinstates the royalties if market prices reach a certain level. For some reason the language "was inadvertently dropped" from an addendum attached to more than 1,100 leases the Interior Department's Minerals Management Service issued for 1998 and 1999, Walter Cruickshank, the agency's deputy director, told a House Government Reform subcommittee Wednesday. . . ." http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060302/ap_on_bi_ge/oil_royalty_flub From six.million at dollar.man Sat Mar 4 09:08:40 2006 From: six.million at dollar.man (dwåcôn) Date: Sat Mar 4 09:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ms. Smith Goes to Washington References: Message-ID: My favorite line from the ABC item: If the Supreme Court doesn't help Smith, she is always welcome back at Rick's, said Langan. "Who knows," he said, "she might meet her next husband." Har dee! -- dwacon(com) From devnull at spamcop.net Sat Mar 4 10:04:08 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Sat Mar 4 10:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: School prayer and tolerance. References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02-9EA789.16112003032006@frylock.local... > In article , > "Miss Betsy" wrote: > >> The religious dimension of life >> cannot be ignored without making it 'wrong.' > > Why not? Just because someone is into different strokes, doesn't mean > that they are wrong. I personally don't like feet, but i can ignore the > feet fetishists without making feet fetishism wrong. The same could be > said for a lot of lifestyle choices. OTOH, many of the religious are > unwilling to ignore other religions and label them wrong. And that's exactly what should happen in 'public life' - we should allow 'any' expression within an environment that explicitly says that this 'time' is for a particular purpose. Whoever wants to ignore any, or all, expressions is welcome to. And there would have to be a 'time' or 'place' for individual expression. Those who want to label them 'wrong' are not allowed to do so because 'all' are welcome. By eliminating 'all' religious expression, it is implicitly denying that religious expression has a place in public life - which a great number of people feel is excluding free expression and by inference saying it is wrong. To get off prayer (or focussing in schools), gay 'marriages' can be sidestepped as an issue if 'marriage' is not a civil function, but a civil contract. For those who want the government to support children, laws about certain civil contracts could be made to support 'mother, father, child(ren)' or 'parent, child(ren)' Excluding 'gays' from making civil contracts would be unconstitutional, however they would no longer be making 'marriages' Therefore there is no argument with those who feel that 'marriage' means a heterosexual union. If gays want to get 'married' in a church, they are free to do so just as those heterosexual people can. The major problem is to prevent those who would insist that 'government' exclude 'any' expressions of faith except what they believe in. The problem with excluding all religious expression is that it has come about because those who do not believe have insisted on it which means that those who do not believe in god(s) have 'won' In some instances, for instance, the placement of the 10 commandments or creches, it is not practical to include 'all' so none can be included. In other instances, it is possible to be inclusive (for instance, the focusing time or civil contracts). When it is possible, then inclusion makes a stronger statement than exclusion for tolerance and constitutional guarantee of free expression of religious belief. Miss Betsy From devnull at spamcop.net Sat Mar 4 10:24:50 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Sat Mar 4 10:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: School prayer and tolerance. References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:duah0d$9n0$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Miss Betsy" < > | > | > Children are, in fact, less able to defend themselves which is why we > have > | > serious problems with pedophiles. > | > | We are talking about children abusing other children, are we not? Not > | adults who are evangelizing in the playground. > > In part yes but both in this context as the fundy parents egg on their > kids. > The point was the kids do not have the maturity or the tools to defend > themselves from abuse. The parents and schools should be teaching them the tools. There are ways to combat bullying and harassment on the playground. It is difficult for a parent to decide whether to expose children to ridicule or harassment or just plain loneliness because of the parent's lifestyle or beliefs. And how much to let the child decide. I have opted, for the most part, to not require my children to be the odd man out. However, for various reasons, they were, at various times. I did my best to support them rather than shield them at those times. They would probably agree that, however uncomfortable it was at that time that it wasn't 'harmful' - any more than life is 'harmful' and that the experience has made adult life easier for them. > > | > You assume people without religion, I made no such qualification. This > is > | > a heavily Baptist area and the infighting among Baptist is fierce. > We > have > | > laws that greatly restrict the abuse of students in the name of > religion > | > and they don't work, yet you want to introduce a process that > virtually > | > guarantees the abuse. > | > > | > Tolerance and ethics can be taught without the injection of religion. > If > | > fact it is manifestly easer to teach tolerance WITHOUT the injection > of > | > religion in the process. > | > | IMHO, it is not easier to teach tolerance and ethics with no religion > since > | what we know of tolerance and ethics is on a spiritual basis and that's > the > | way we learn it at home (most of us). The religious dimension of life > | cannot be ignored without making it 'wrong.' And especially if you are > not > | practicing tolerance of what you yourself abhor. The fundies have a > right > | to work toward making the US a fundamentalist state. It has nothing to > do > | with what others may want to practice. > | > | However, you are right. People don't understand about tolerance. > People > | are uncomfortable with anything different and even if they would be > | accepting, they are forced to choose sides between no religious > expression > | and a particular religious expression because no one is advocating > /real/ > | tolerance. > > I've worked the tolerance and understanding education process from both > sides. Even with a surface understanding of the ground rules doing so in > a > religious context requires the suspension of much religions doctrine. Of course, it does. There is no place for teaching doctrine in an environment that is accepting that specific doctrine is taught outside that particular environment. However, substituting 'Midwinter Festival' with Santa and elves is not suspending the teaching of doctrine. I never had to do it, but I decided after watching one such program that my children would not participate again. Christmas is a religious holiday to be celebrated by those who believe in Christ. Substituting Santa is teaching something else than what the holiday is about. And Christmas is a good illustration of how secular culture affects governmental practice. Do you think that someone could abolish Christmas as a National Holiday? > > As example. Many Christina fundamentalists are hard fast that ONLY those > who have born again in Christ can enter heaven. > > That excludes some other fundamentalists, most protestants, all Catholics, > Muslims, Jews, etc. I know of one group who excludes anyone who does not > totally support GWB. But supporting GWB has nothing to do with this discussion. It is likely that the ones who are rigid would support him because his rhetoric is all black and white and that's the way they think. Miss Betsy From six.million at dollar.man Sat Mar 4 17:39:05 2006 From: six.million at dollar.man (dwåcôn) Date: Sat Mar 4 17:40:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: School prayer and tolerance. References: Message-ID: As long as there are pop quizzes... there will always be prayer in school... (Harry Bristow) -- Practice safe eating. Always use condiments. http://dwacon.blogspot.com From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Mar 5 23:35:44 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Mar 5 23:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Civil War Re-enactment in NC References: Message-ID: Pictures are up on www.DowntownValdese.com I had planned to be there to help a friend. Somehow ended up with a Reb uniform and had a h*ll of a good time. I was shot and there was a young girl near 5-7 y.o. in the spectator section who was crying because I died. (only the guys who can't do the drill get to die) She was not real sure I had not come back as a ghost. From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Mar 6 07:40:17 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Miss Betsy) Date: Mon Mar 6 07:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Civil War Re-enactment in NC References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:duge74$ftg$1@news.spamcop.net... > Pictures are up on www.DowntownValdese.com > > I had planned to be there to help a friend. Somehow ended up with a Reb > uniform and had a h*ll of a good time. > > I was shot and there was a young girl near 5-7 y.o. in the spectator > section > who was crying because I died. (only the guys who can't do the drill get > to > die) She was not real sure I had not come back as a ghost. > I watched a Civil War re-enactment once and was very close to a soldier who died. Like the little girl, it seemed too real to me. I was filled with grief knowing that men have died, and still die, in battle. I left. Miss Betsy From khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com Mon Mar 6 12:57:54 2006 From: khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Mon Mar 6 08:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Civil War Re-enactment in NC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > Pictures are up on www.DowntownValdese.com > > I had planned to be there to help a friend. Somehow ended up with a Reb > uniform and had a h*ll of a good time. > > I was shot and there was a young girl near 5-7 y.o. in the spectator section > who was crying because I died. (only the guys who can't do the drill get to > die) She was not real sure I had not come back as a ghost. Did you do the whole thing (camping, marching, etc) or just the battle? I went to see the Battle of Saratoga back when I was living in New York and I thought it was really interesting and kind of fun. I hear there is a bit of a split though, different personalities between those who do the Revolutionary War ones compared to the Civil War. It was enlightening though, it was a fairly big one that I saw, one of the biggest they had had in quite a while maybe 1/4 of the number they had at the actual event. You could kind of imagine now icky the real thing would have been. And even warfare back then was somewhat less lethal, or it was a bit tougher to kill lots of people at once. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Mar 6 08:11:18 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Mar 6 08:15:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Comments on HSAs? References: Message-ID: Chris Wright wrote: > Did the flower power shirt give you away ? > (Was it a Friday? Dress down day at work?) > Just a dumb question overall. How many adults who went to college in the 70's and 80's have *not* at least _tried_ pot? LOL! > That's worse than being asked your age at a bar... > I'd have told him that he had taken the piss enough and you didn't > need to give anymore. > I didn't even think about it until later in the day, to be honest, I was wondering what the heck he was looking for in my urine when I guessed he was drug testing me. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Mar 6 08:24:23 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Mar 6 08:25:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] comcast bastards! Message-ID: My old cable bill was $145 (internet, HBO, Showtime, Max). When they forced me to digital it dropped to $125, supposedly for one year (9 months ago was the switch). Got my bill for Feb, it was $180!!!! Mutherfuckers! So I get forced to go to digital and end up paying $35 more for the "privilege"?! Anyone else have a package like mine and what are you paying? If they (comcast) didn't own the rights to the U of MD sports I'd be going to Verizon so fast it'd make their head spin. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Mar 6 08:41:06 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Mar 6 08:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: comcast bastards! References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > My old cable bill was $145 (internet, HBO, Showtime, Max). When they > forced me to digital it dropped to $125, supposedly for one year (9 > months ago was the switch). Got my bill for Feb, it was $180!!!! > Mutherfuckers! So I get forced to go to digital and end up paying $35 > more for the "privilege"?! Anyone else have a package like mine and > what are you paying? If they (comcast) didn't own the rights to the U > of MD sports I'd be going to Verizon so fast it'd make their head > spin. Nevermind.....I just called to bitch about the bill, I payed for 1/2 of Feb digital bill with this months bill (why my records show I switched in April and their's in Feb I can't figger out). In any case, my new "normal" bill will be $144 from now on. So I'll quit my bitching, I guess... From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Mar 6 08:57:11 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Mar 6 09:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Civil War Re-enactment in NC References: Message-ID: "Miss Betsy" < | > Pictures are up on www.DowntownValdese.com | > | > I had planned to be there to help a friend. Somehow ended up with a Reb | > uniform and had a h*ll of a good time. | > | > I was shot and there was a young girl near 5-7 y.o. in the spectator | > section who was crying because I died. (only the guys who can't do the drill get to die) She was not real sure I had not come back as a ghost. | > | | I watched a Civil War re-enactment once and was very close to a soldier who died. Like the little girl, it seemed too real to me. I was filled with | grief knowing that men have died, and still die, in battle. I left. | That's part of the education process. It's somewhat easy to be disconnected when seen on TV or a movie screen but a bit more up front when the kids can see the smoke, hear the noise and feel the ground shake. Won't stop wars but maybe these kids will think a bit more about what their leaders are doing in the future. From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Mar 6 08:57:29 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Mar 6 09:00:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Civil War Re-enactment in NC References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" | Frog Prince wrote: | > Pictures are up on www.DowntownValdese.com | > | > I had planned to be there to help a friend. Somehow ended up with a Reb | > uniform and had a h*ll of a good time. | > | > I was shot and there was a young girl near 5-7 y.o. in the spectator section who was crying because I died. (only the guys who can't do the drill get to die) She was not real sure I had not come back as a ghost. | | Did you do the whole thing (camping, marching, etc) or just the battle? | I went to see the Battle of Saratoga back when I was living in New | York and I thought it was really interesting and kind of fun. I hear | there is a bit of a split though, different personalities between those | who do the Revolutionary War ones compared to the Civil War. | | It was enlightening though, it was a fairly big one that I saw, one of | the biggest they had had in quite a while maybe 1/4 of the number they | had at the actual event. You could kind of imagine now icky the real | thing would have been. And even warfare back then was somewhat less | lethal, or it was a bit tougher to kill lots of people at once. This was a one day gig and I'm not physically up to a long ordeal. I'm told that old f*rts like me often stay in motels and do the battles ad hoc. The younger guys really get into the 'impression' and don't use or do anything that is not in period save for the stuff that is required for sanitation (slit trenches on the park lawn are not really popular with the folks from home). I got a bit of a tickle out of the entire process especially since the local politicians did their best to avoid giving the event organizers any help ... until it was a great success ... now they are laying claim to being great supporters. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Mon Mar 6 08:55:18 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon Mar 6 09:00:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Comments on HSAs? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:duahf4$9vi$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > And get this -- I saw that new infectious disease guy yesterday, he asked in > my history had I ever taken any drugs, I said basically "yeah, I went to > college", and the bastard just had me urine tested beside getting new blood > tests! I mean WTF, I'm 44 years old, and he thinks I still mess around with > pot and whatnot? Fsking stupid waste of money. Well, one of the guys I used to work with failed a peepee test *three months* after smoking some weed - while he was trying to get badged for a access to a nuke plant. He's 48..... swears it was just that one day, Superbowl Sunday, but it meant he couldn't work in a plant for five years. So maybe he's just trying to rule out everything? From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Mon Mar 6 08:56:38 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon Mar 6 09:00:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: comcast bastards! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:duhe5j$4j7$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Nevermind.....I just called to bitch about the bill, I payed for 1/2 of Feb > digital bill with this months bill (why my records show I switched in April > and their's in Feb I can't figger out). In any case, my new "normal" bill > will be $144 from now on. So I'll quit my bitching, I guess... Do you have verizon tv yet? How's the price comparison? From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Mon Mar 6 15:40:06 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Mon Mar 6 10:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: comcast bastards! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in news:duhe5j$4j7$1@news.spamcop.net: > Nevermind.....I just called to bitch about the bill, I payed for 1/2 > of Feb digital bill with this months bill (why my records show I > switched in April and their's in Feb I can't figger out). In any case, > my new "normal" bill will be $144 from now on. So I'll quit my > bitching, I guess... > I think my package is similar to your's and I thought it was bad at $104/month. I also have two Digital terminals and two I.P. addresses. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon Mar 6 11:40:17 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Eponym) Date: Mon Mar 6 11:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: comcast bastards! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:duhe5j$4j7$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Nevermind.....I just called to bitch about the bill, I payed for 1/2 of > Feb > digital bill with this months bill (why my records show I switched in > April > and their's in Feb I can't figger out). In any case, my new "normal" bill > will be $144 from now on. So I'll quit my bitching, I guess... > Still seems a little steep. I'm paying about $105 and getting all the movie channels, plus 3Mb down/768K up internet. From Nospam at nothanks.com Mon Mar 6 14:36:14 2006 From: Nospam at nothanks.com (Grog in Ohio) Date: Mon Mar 6 14:40:16 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: comcast bastards! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:duhe5j$4j7$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Nevermind.....I just called to bitch about the bill, I payed for 1/2 of > Feb > digital bill with this months bill (why my records show I switched in > April > and their's in Feb I can't figger out). In any case, my new "normal" bill > will be $144 from now on. So I'll quit my bitching, I guess... > Ouch... and to think I whine unmercifully about my $110 monthly bill with digital, 2 DVRs, HBO and Road Runner. Grog From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Mon Mar 6 20:49:04 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Mon Mar 6 15:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] LETTER FROM A FARM KID Message-ID: LETTER FROM A FARM KID (now at Camp Pendleton, San Diego, Marine Corps Recruit Training) Dear Ma and Pa: I am well. Hope you are too. Tell Brother Walt and Brother Elmer that the Marine Corps beats working for old man Minch by a mile. Tell them to join up quick before all of the places are filled. I was restless at first because you got to stay in bed till nearly 6 a.m., but I am getting so I like to sleep late. Tell Walt and Elmer all you do before breakfast is smooth your cot and shine some things. No hogs to slop, feed to pitch, mash to mix, wood to split, fire to lay... practically nothing. Men got to shave but it's not so bad... there's warm water. Breakfast is strong on trimmings like fruit juice, cereal, eggs, bacon, etc., but kind of weak on chops, potatoes, ham, steak, fried eggplant, pie, and other regular food, but tell Walt and Elmer you can always sit by the two city boys that live on coffee. Their food plus yours holds you 'til noon when you get fed again. It's no wonder these city boys can't walk much. We go on "route marches," which the platoon sergeant says are long walks to harden us. If he thinks so, it's not my place to tell him different. A "route march" is about as far as to our mailbox at home. Then the city guys get sore feet and we all ride back in trucks. The country is nice but awful flat. The sergeant is like a school teacher. He nags a lot. The captain is like the school board. Majors and colonels just ride around and frown. They don't bother you none. This next will kill Walt and Elmer with laughing. I keep getting medals for shooting. I don't know why. The bulls-eye is near as big as a chipmunk head and don't move, and it ain't shooting at you like the Higgett boys at home. All you got to do is lie there all comfortable and hit it. You don't even load your own cartridges. They come in boxes. Then we have what they call hand-to-hand combat training. You get to wrestle with them city boys. I have to be real careful though, they break real easy. It ain't like fighting with that ole bull at home. I'm about the best they got in this except for that Tug Jordan from over in Silver Lake. I only beat him once. He joined up the same time as me, but I'm only 5'6" and 130 pounds and he's 6'8" and near 300 pounds dry. Be sure to tell Walt and Elmer to hurry and join up before other fellers get onto this setup and come stampeding on in. Your loving daughter, Alice ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Mon Mar 6 16:09:35 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon Mar 6 16:15:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] What the hell is wrong with these people? Message-ID: >From Reuters: South Dakota's abortion ban has been signed. Banning ALL abortions....even in cases of rape and incest. Back we go to the dark ages. "The measure bans abortion even in cases where a woman is pregnant as a result of rape or incest, or if giving birth would damage the health of the mother. It creates a narrow exemption in cases in which a physician's effort to save a pregnant woman's life results in the accidental death or injury of her fetus. " From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Mon Mar 6 16:15:26 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon Mar 6 16:20:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Revolting..... Message-ID: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-2071857,00.html ALISTAIR COOKE'S legs were chopped off by the body-snatching gang that plundered his corpse, his daughter revealed yesterday. Cooke died of lung cancer that had metastasized to his bones in New York in March 2004 at the age of 95, after 58 years of recording Radio 4's Letter from America. Before his body could be cremated, it was harvested for bone, without his family's knowledge, by a body-snatching ring. Four men, including an embalmer and a disgraced dentist who ran a tissue-supply firm, have been charged with stealing skin, bones, heart valves and other tissue from 1,077 corpses for sale to hospitals for use in surgery. Police recovered receipts for his bones from tissue-processing plants in New Jersey and Florida. Prosecutors say that the two tissue banks eventually rejected his body parts for medical use - although some may have gone elsewhere. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Mar 6 16:49:10 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Mar 6 16:50:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Comments on HSAs? References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > > Well, one of the guys I used to work with failed a peepee test *three > months* after smoking some weed - while he was trying to get badged > for a access to a nuke plant. He's 48..... swears it was just that > one day, Superbowl Sunday, but it meant he couldn't work in a plant > for five years. So maybe he's just trying to rule out everything? Oh bull, THC doesn't last that long in your body. Something like a month IIRC. Methinks your engineer smoked more recently than SuperBowl Sunday! (that wasn't 3 months ago anyway) From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Mar 6 16:49:57 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Mar 6 16:50:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: comcast bastards! References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:duhe5j$4j7$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > Nevermind.....I just called to bitch about the bill, I payed for > > 1/2 of Feb digital bill with this months bill (why my records show > > I switched in April and their's in Feb I can't figger out). In any > > case, my new "normal" bill will be $144 from now on. So I'll quit > > my bitching, I guess... > > Do you have verizon tv yet? How's the price comparison? Haven't checked into it because of the sports rights comcast has that I need. Yes, "need". From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Mar 6 16:50:57 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Mar 6 16:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: comcast bastards! References: Message-ID: Eponym wrote: > > > > Still seems a little steep. I'm paying about $105 and getting all > the movie channels, plus 3Mb down/768K up internet. >From Comcast? That's my cable bill minus the internet cost. From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Mar 6 16:52:36 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Mar 6 16:55:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "Spamvireslayer" wrote: > > > South Dakota's abortion ban has been signed. Banning ALL > > abortions....even in cases > > of rape and incest. Back we go to the dark ages. > > Missouri is about to enact a law which designates Christianity as > the state's official majority religion. How the hell is that not against the Constitution? From khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com Mon Mar 6 22:09:26 2006 From: khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Mon Mar 6 17:10:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > David Dean wrote: >> In article , >> Missouri is about to enact a law which designates Christianity as >> the state's official majority religion. > > How the hell is that not against the Constitution? Probably a lot of it is to get anything and everything to the Supreme Court to see if they can make some of it Constitutional. Good thing on that majority religion thing, after all, after seeing that vicious war on Christmas you can see just how difficult it has been for the majority to practice their religion. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon Mar 6 17:21:41 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Eponym) Date: Mon Mar 6 17:25:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: comcast bastards! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:duias2$mvm$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Eponym wrote: >> > >> >> Still seems a little steep. I'm paying about $105 and getting all >> the movie channels, plus 3Mb down/768K up internet. > > From Comcast? That's my cable bill minus the internet cost. > > Charter From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Mon Mar 6 17:27:36 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Mon Mar 6 17:35:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Comments on HSAs? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:duiaom$mu5$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Oh bull, THC doesn't last that long in your body. Something like a month > IIRC. Methinks your engineer smoked more recently than SuperBowl Sunday! > (that wasn't 3 months ago anyway) It wasn't this year, it was about three years ago, he smoked in Jan and got tested in April, and yes it does last that long, much to his extreme surprise....... From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Mar 6 17:39:17 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Mar 6 17:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Comments on HSAs? References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:duiaom$mu5$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > > > Oh bull, THC doesn't last that long in your body. Something like a > > month IIRC. Methinks your engineer smoked more recently than > > SuperBowl Sunday! (that wasn't 3 months ago anyway) > > It wasn't this year, it was about three years ago, he smoked in Jan > and got tested in April, and yes it does last that long, much to his > extreme surprise....... Well, what would I know about drug testing anyway......that still seems like a very long time to me. In your hair, I know that lasts forever, but in your urine? From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Mon Mar 6 22:58:15 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Mon Mar 6 18:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > From Reuters: > > South Dakota's abortion ban has been signed. Banning ALL abortions....even in cases > of rape and incest. Back we go to the dark ages. > > "The measure bans abortion even in cases where a woman is pregnant as a result of > rape or incest, or if giving birth would damage the health of the mother. It creates > a narrow exemption in cases in which a physician's effort to save a pregnant woman's > life results in the accidental death or injury of her fetus. " > > Do I hear banjo's ? From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Mar 6 18:55:48 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Mar 6 19:05:17 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Ms. Smith Goes to Washington References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > > I think the son is royally pissed that he lost out to one of the women he > despised and is determined to deny her what she's due. She's the one who > got lucky and outlived the old codger, seems only fair that she get what's > rightfully hers. At the least the greedy bastard should have thrown her a > bone of however many millions she'd take to walk away and he'd probably > never hear from her again. If you read some of the testimony, you can see what a moneygrubbing bitch she really is, the way she treated him was shameful, and stupid, had she played it right she could have ended up with everything, but she treated him like shit. It looks like he didn't intend to leave her anything other than what he'd already given her. Read the part about losing 10 million bucks worth of jewelry, what a bimbo. http://factweb.net/HoustonDailySummaries.html From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Mar 6 19:30:06 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Mar 6 19:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Comments on HSAs? References: Message-ID: "David Dean" wrote in message news:ozchzhq02- > It could have been a false positive. The simpler tests will flag > innocent substances (like ibuprophen) sometimes. The more expensive > tests aren't always done. I would have asked for the sample to be > retested. They did it twice, because it was positive and the consequences of a mistake were pretty big. I think they offered him a blood test but knowing what they'd find, he refused that. Could last up to 90 days, so the tests say" http://www.smartsourcenews.com/drugtestinfo.html From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Mar 6 19:38:52 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Mon Mar 6 19:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: ain't wasting any time are they? References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns977E985CEB6E3spamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... > So we'll see soon enough what this new Court is likely to do re Roe v Wade. > I feel sorry for the women of SD. I just heard a story on the news that said it's not likely to happen, the Supreme Court "doesn't like to be pushed around", and doesn't like to revisit existing law, especially something so politically motivated. We can only hope. From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Tue Mar 7 04:41:57 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Mon Mar 6 23:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: comcast bastards! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in news:duhe5j$4j7$1@news.spamcop.net: > > Nevermind.....I just called to bitch about the bill, I payed for 1/2 > of Feb digital bill with this months bill (why my records show I > switched in April and their's in Feb I can't figger out). In any case, > my new "normal" bill will be $144 from now on. So I'll quit my > bitching, I guess... > > A little game they play. Your record is likely the correct one. Had a similar problem with ATT longdistance several years ago. (Took 8 months to fix the bill too.) The game involves overcharging you and seeing if you are going to accept the charges without complain. If you don't complain, then they keep overcharging. From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Tue Mar 7 08:53:25 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Tue Mar 7 03:55:15 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Spamvireslayer" wrote in > news:dui8jc$llv$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> From Reuters: >> >> South Dakota's abortion ban has been signed. Banning ALL >> abortions....even in cases of rape and incest. Back we go to the >> dark ages. >> >> "The measure bans abortion even in cases where a woman is pregnant as >> a result of rape or incest, or if giving birth would damage the health >> of the mother. It creates a narrow exemption in cases in which a >> physician's effort to save a pregnant woman's life results in the >> accidental death or injury of her fetus. " >> >> >> > > They're sickos? Which part of their own justification don't they understand > (the bit about the measure of humanity being the protection of the weakest > in society... how much weaker does a rape victim need to be?) As a Church of England guy married to a Catholic Wife, with 3 kids being brought up as catholic, there is obviously some aversion in this household to abortion. But in saying that, I at least respect other peoples choice or freedom to make their own choice. My wifes beliefs on abortion should (and are never) imposed on other peoples. In the case of denying abortions for rape/incest, that is just plain daft. But, won't there be an easy get out because of the 'unless damaging the health of the mother' exception? Surely they must include the psychological effects of being raped/incestuous pregnancies as affecting the health of the mother. And why is there no mention of the rights of the 'fetus' in this? What happens in the case where the 'fetus' is found to have major defects that will affect the quality of life. Whilst I am not in favor of terminating pregnancies for all forms of defects, there are some that 'could' warrant terminations. What they need to stop is those that have abortions as a form of contraception. Those that do that are obviously in need of help in the first place. Obviously too immature/irresponsible to be left alone to make decisions in the first place. And for those people who have abortions just because it is not 'quite the right time', tough. You made your bed, now lie in it. But to stop the help of rape/incest victims just sounds irresponsible when you consider the damage that will be done to mother and possible baby. Just because I am against abortion, that is purely a personal decision. It means I am against abortion in my personal life. I could and should NEVER be able to impose my own thinkings and beliefs on others around me whose situation may well be different. I suppose I could say I am against 'convenience' abortions, but am sympathetic to 'merciful' abortions (but only in some instances or with some exceptions). Incredulous & Draconian. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Mar 7 08:11:36 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Mar 7 08:15:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: "Chris Wright" | I suppose I could say I am against 'convenience' abortions, but am | sympathetic to 'merciful' abortions (but only in some instances or with | some exceptions). Many of those of my acquaintance that are against abortion are also anti-anything that would lessen the perceived need for an abortion. Sex education is akin to pornography or, at best, something that should only be taught by the family (no mention that the family in many cases is hard pressed to be classed as even literate) Our church has an effective (so far) program to teach kids the dynamics of the emotional roller coaster of dating. I find it distressing that other churches in this area are not only not doing the same but are condemning our pastor for his efforts in this regard. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Mar 7 08:57:26 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Mar 7 09:00:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > > > They're sickos? Which part of their own justification don't they > understand (the bit about the measure of humanity being the > protection of the weakest in society... how much weaker does a rape > victim need to be?) If the fscking FDA would approve the morning after pill instead of keeping it hanging in perpetuity there wouldn't be a need for an abortion in the case of rape. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Mar 7 08:59:21 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Mar 7 09:00:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: ain't wasting any time are they? References: Message-ID: Heidi wrote: > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > news:Xns977E985CEB6E3spamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... > > So we'll see soon enough what this new Court is likely to do re Roe > > v Wade. I feel sorry for the women of SD. > > I just heard a story on the news that said it's not likely to > happen, the Supreme Court "doesn't like to be pushed around", and > doesn't like to revisit existing law, especially something so > politically motivated. We can only hope. There will be an injunction issued as soon as one single woman wants an abortion and it will take years for the case to get to the USSC. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Mar 7 09:00:45 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Mar 7 09:05:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: comcast bastards! References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Can you REALLY not live without your frikkin sports? Nope. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Mar 7 10:30:54 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Mar 7 10:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Comments on HSAs? References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was "indigo" ! > > > Well, what would I know about drug testing anyway......that still > > seems like a very long time to me. In your hair, I know that lasts > > forever, but in your urine? > > Ayup... And when you have hair that you've had for, uh, a very long > time... Well... Yeah... Lots of things happen in a very long time, > darn it! Hey, you still have your pony tail? Wanna have it sampled? ;-) From nobody at nowhere.invalid Tue Mar 7 16:49:09 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Tue Mar 7 10:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: ain't wasting any time are they? References: Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 08:59:21 -0500, indigo coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : > There will be an injunction issued as soon as one single woman wants > an abortion and it will take years for the case to get to the USSC. And what does the pregnant woman do in the meantime? The baby won't hang on in there (literally) for years. -- Steve "Thank you for calling the Incontinence hotline. Please hold." From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Mar 7 10:53:53 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Mar 7 10:55:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: ain't wasting any time are they? References: Message-ID: Steven Maesslein wrote: > On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 08:59:21 -0500, indigo coughed into spamcop.social > and left this in : > > > There will be an injunction issued as soon as one single woman wants > > an abortion and it will take years for the case to get to the USSC. > > And what does the pregnant woman do in the meantime? The baby won't > hang on in there (literally) for years. She gets the abortion. An injunction means the law can't be enforced. Should be a piece of cake to get one, the ACLU might even file the minute the bill is signed into law. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Mar 7 10:58:25 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Mar 7 11:15:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:duk3ga$og5$1@news.spamcop.net... | | | Sylvesterthekat wrote: | > > | > | > They're sickos? Which part of their own justification don't they | > understand (the bit about the measure of humanity being the | > protection of the weakest in society... how much weaker does a rape | > victim need to be?) | | If the fscking FDA would approve the morning after pill instead of keeping | it hanging in perpetuity there wouldn't be a need for an abortion in the | case of rape. ??? Currently the controversy is with pharmacists refusing to fill script for the morning after pill. From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Mar 7 11:11:05 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Mar 7 11:15:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Comments on HSAs? References: Message-ID: "indigo" | > | > > Well, what would I know about drug testing anyway......that still | > > seems like a very long time to me. In your hair, I know that lasts | > > forever, but in your urine? | > | > Ayup... And when you have hair that you've had for, uh, a very long | > time... Well... Yeah... Lots of things happen in a very long time, | > darn it! | | Hey, you still have your pony tail? Wanna have it sampled? ;-) One clown where my son works shaved his head thinking he was in the clear. Hair sampling got a *whole* lot more personal From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Mar 7 11:29:24 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Mar 7 11:40:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Missouri Bill to make Christianity Official Religion References: <9vok025s9kkg8fm2jn335au0uj0mj1b4ak@4ax.com> Message-ID: http://www.kmov.com/topstories/stories/030206ccklrKmovreligionbill.7d361c3f.html http://www.ucomics.com/nonsequitur/2006/03/04/ From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Mar 7 12:16:40 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Mar 7 12:20:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > > > ??? > Currently the controversy is with pharmacists refusing to fill script > for the morning after pill. Sorry, I meant over the counter use. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Mar 7 12:23:52 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Mar 7 12:25:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Comments on HSAs? References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > > The pony tail may not get to stay - it's a definite hazard on the job! > Still, I do have it for now. And you're not testing it, dude. Well, > like, whatever floats your boat, I guess. Ok, but I think that it's > weird on your part (fetish?) to what some of my hair! I don't want it sampled, just wondered if your company might.....I guess that'd be across the line legally though? New employees here have to take urine drug tests, I've never heard of someone being forced to have a hair sample done (although FP apparently has). From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Mar 7 12:43:24 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Mar 7 12:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Comments on HSAs? References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > > The company doesn't care as long as I continue to perform my job in > an acceptable manner. And, hey, it's not like I'm trying to do the > opposite, or anything. Besides, I'd imagine they'd just fire me if > they didn't like me - no reason to go pussyfooting around the issue > like that. My company probably doesn't care either.....I think the only way you can get tested after being hired is if your work is suffering and they suspect drug or alcohol abuse. That's a fed law too, IIRC, except for public safety jobs (bus drivers, train engineers, etc). From kenbrody at spamcop.net Tue Mar 7 14:07:45 2006 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Tue Mar 7 14:20:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Missouri House Concurrent Resolution 13 (was Re: What the hell is wrong with these people?) References: Message-ID: <440DDA01.9046E33F@spamcop.net> David Dean wrote: > > In article , > "Spamvireslayer" wrote: > > > South Dakota's abortion ban has been signed. Banning ALL abortions....even > > in cases > > of rape and incest. Back we go to the dark ages. > > Missouri is about to enact a law which designates Christianity as the > state's official majority religion. > > > or: > [...] Note: requires registration. The bill is available in PDF format at: http://www.house.mo.gov/bills061/billpdf/intro/HCR0013I.PDF Note, too, that this technically isn't a "law", but a "resolution". Legally it has no power. (Not that that will stop people from treating it as a law, of course.) I'm sure they spent a lot of time on the wording to try to at least pretend it's not unconstitutional. ("Gee, we're not establishing any religion. We're just recognizing the 'positive role that Christianity has played in this great nation of ours'.") -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From kenbrody at spamcop.net Tue Mar 7 14:15:52 2006 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Tue Mar 7 14:20:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Missouri Bill to make Christianity Official Religion References: <9vok025s9kkg8fm2jn335au0uj0mj1b4ak@4ax.com> Message-ID: <440DDBE8.63AF4678@spamcop.net> Frog Prince wrote: > > http://www.kmov.com/topstories/stories/030206ccklrKmovreligionbill.7d361c3f.html > > http://www.ucomics.com/nonsequitur/2006/03/04/ And, straight from the horse's mouth (or perhaps the other end): http://www.house.mo.gov/bills061/billpdf/intro/HCR0013I.PDF -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From nobody at nowhere.invalid Tue Mar 7 20:26:24 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Tue Mar 7 14:30:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 10:58:25 -0500, Frog Prince coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : > ??? Currently the controversy is with pharmacists refusing to fill > script for the morning after pill. In that case you strike the pharmacist from the register and tell him to go live in a monastery. The woman has a condition and a prescription from a doctor to solve that condition. What business is it of the pharmacist to refuse that "treatment"? Would he refuse to give someone a beta-blocker for a heart condition because of his beliefs? -- Steve In the 60's people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world is weird and people take Prozac to make it normal. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Tue Mar 7 14:33:50 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Mar 7 14:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: "Steven Maesslein" wrote in message news:slrne0rnj0.46a.nobody@127.0.0.1... > > In that case you strike the pharmacist from the register and tell him to > go live in a monastery. The woman has a condition and a prescription > from a doctor to solve that condition. What business is it of the > pharmacist to refuse that "treatment"? Would he refuse to give someone a > beta-blocker for a heart condition because of his beliefs? Pharmacies are privately owned businesses, the owners by law can't discriminate on the basis of race or color, i.e. 'we won't serve blacks or Asians', but there's nothing stopping them from adhering to their own religious beliefs, that's a right they're entitled to, not that I agree with it. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Mar 7 14:53:42 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Mar 7 14:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: Steven Maesslein wrote: > On Tue, 7 Mar 2006 10:58:25 -0500, Frog Prince coughed into > spamcop.social and left this in : > > > ??? Currently the controversy is with pharmacists refusing to fill > > script for the morning after pill. > > In that case you strike the pharmacist from the register and tell him > to go live in a monastery. The woman has a condition and a > prescription from a doctor to solve that condition. What business is > it of the pharmacist to refuse that "treatment"? Would he refuse to > give someone a beta-blocker for a heart condition because of his > beliefs? Being the devil's advocate, pharmacies don't have to carry every imaginable drug out there. If they refuse to sell you something you want, take your business elsewhere, I'm sure some other more capitolistic store would be more than happy to take your money. And let the management know why they are losing ALL of your business on your way out the door. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Tue Mar 7 14:10:23 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Maggie's Mom) Date: Tue Mar 7 16:15:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Missouri Bill to make Christianity Official Religion References: <9vok025s9kkg8fm2jn335au0uj0mj1b4ak@4ax.com> <440DDBE8.63AF4678@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message news:440DDBE8.63AF4678@spamcop.net... > Frog Prince wrote: >> >> http://www.kmov.com/topstories/stories/030206ccklrKmovreligionbill.7d361c3f.html >> >> http://www.ucomics.com/nonsequitur/2006/03/04/ > > And, straight from the horse's mouth (or perhaps the other end): > > http://www.house.mo.gov/bills061/billpdf/intro/HCR0013I.PDF This must be the Xtian Taliban everybody's talking about, right? Maggie's Mom. From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Tue Mar 7 16:49:02 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Tue Mar 7 16:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: ain't wasting any time are they? References: Message-ID: In article , "Heidi" wrote: > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > > > So we'll see soon enough what this new Court is likely to do re Roe v > > Wade. I feel sorry for the women of SD. > > I just heard a story on the news that said it's not likely to happen, the > Supreme Court "doesn't like to be pushed around", and doesn't like to > revisit existing law, especially something so politically motivated. We can > only hope. As far to the right as Roberts and Alito are, I doubt they're radical enough to abandon the doctrine of stare decisis. Overturning Roe v. Wade at this date would create constitutional chaos in the courts. Roe wasn't decided in a vacuum. There was adequate precedent for it in Griswold v. Connecticut (striking down state laws banning contraception) and other cases. Overturning Roe would call into question that whole line of cases, both preceding and following. I just don't see it happening. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com In the republic of mediocrity genius is dangerous. (Robert G. Ingersoll) From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Mar 7 16:55:26 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Mar 7 17:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: "indigo" < | | Being the devil's advocate, pharmacies don't have to carry every imaginable | drug out there. If they refuse to sell you something you want, take your | business elsewhere, I'm sure some other more capitolistic store would be | more than happy to take your money. And let the management know why they | are losing ALL of your business on your way out the door. Works in big cities but not in small towns especially when there is (perhaps) on pharmacy in town, too often there is one pharmacy in the entire county. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Mar 7 17:30:44 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Mar 7 17:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "indigo" < > | > | Being the devil's advocate, pharmacies don't have to carry every > | imaginable drug out there. If they refuse to sell you something you > | want, take your business elsewhere, I'm sure some other more > | capitolistic store would be more than happy to take your money. And > | let the management know why they are losing ALL of your business on > | your way out the door. > > Works in big cities but not in small towns especially when there is > (perhaps) on pharmacy in town, too often there is one pharmacy in the > entire county. Yeahbut...if you plan on using the morning after pill as a method of birth control you ought to have some in your medicine cabinet all the time anyway. Road trip.......course that doesn't work for rape....can a hospital refuse to give it to someone? From kenbrody at spamcop.net Tue Mar 7 17:49:41 2006 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Tue Mar 7 17:55:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: <440E0E05.F66886B7@spamcop.net> indigo wrote: > > Frog Prince wrote: [...] > > Works in big cities but not in small towns especially when there is > > (perhaps) on pharmacy in town, too often there is one pharmacy in the > > entire county. > > Yeahbut...if you plan on using the morning after pill as a method of birth > control you ought to have some in your medicine cabinet all the time anyway. > Road trip.......course that doesn't work for rape....can a hospital refuse > to give it to someone? My understanding is "yes, they can". There are several hospitals in this county (Westchester County, NY) run by Christian groups, and I have heard that they refuse to offer such "treatments". -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From kenbrody at spamcop.net Tue Mar 7 17:54:35 2006 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Tue Mar 7 17:55:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Missouri Bill to make Christianity Official Religion References: <9vok025s9kkg8fm2jn335au0uj0mj1b4ak@4ax.com> <440DDBE8.63AF4678@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <440E0F2B.E2E243F3@spamcop.net> Maggie's Mom wrote: > > "Kenneth Brody" wrote in message > news:440DDBE8.63AF4678@spamcop.net... > > Frog Prince wrote: > >> > >> http://www.kmov.com/topstories/stories/030206ccklrKmovreligionbill.7d361c3f.html > >> > >> http://www.ucomics.com/nonsequitur/2006/03/04/ > > > > And, straight from the horse's mouth (or perhaps the other end): > > > > http://www.house.mo.gov/bills061/billpdf/intro/HCR0013I.PDF > > This must be the Xtian Taliban everybody's talking about, right? Here's an intersting take on it. http://www.alternet.org/blogs/themix/33056/ [...] First, let me say that this is far too wing-nutty to get by even Missouri's Repub-led House and Senate. The fact that the bill's sponsor won't talk about it tells you it isn't likely to fly. But people who write bills like this aren't trying to make law. Their intent is to further the right's narrative that Christians are a persecuted minority under siege. They want to guarantee that the good folks at the Anti-defamation league, the ACLU and Americans United fight to have their silly legislation overturned, proving that those civil rights groups have an anti-Christian agenda (and perhaps even a direct association with Satan). And bills like this -- you couldn't write a piece of legislation that more obviously violates the Establishment Clause --are meant to give those groups a victory in court, thereby proving the existence of out-of-control activist judges dedicated to stymieing the popular will of the Christian majority. [...] -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Mar 7 18:16:30 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Mar 7 18:20:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" wrote in > news:duk3ga$og5$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > If the fscking FDA would approve the morning after pill instead of > > keeping it hanging in perpetuity there wouldn't be a need for an > > abortion in the case of rape. > > > It hasn't been approved?! Are you sure? That's been around in the UK > for YEARS. Not approved for over the counter use. From kenbrody at spamcop.net Tue Mar 7 20:55:50 2006 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Tue Mar 7 20:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: ain't wasting any time are they? References: Message-ID: <440E39A6.E6DA2A7C@spamcop.net> Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > Steven Maesslein wrote in > news:slrne0rarl.aqm.nobody@127.0.0.1: > > > And what does the pregnant woman do in the meantime? The baby won't hang > > on in there (literally) for years. > > If it were me, I'd head to a more sane state and have the procedure done. Haven't some states made it illegal to go someplace else to do what is legal over there, but illegal in their home state? (Or was that something that was tried and struck down?) In other words, if you live in state A where it's illegal to do X, and you travel to state B (where X is legal) and do X, when you return to state A you can be charged for breaking the law by doing X? -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From devnull at spamcop.net Tue Mar 7 22:36:11 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Tue Mar 7 22:55:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" | > Not approved for over the counter use. | | Well you would think that in the case of a rape (provided it was reported | of course) that the woman would be offered/prescribed such a pill by the | police doctor examining her. Many women do not report rape as the legal process after the report is viewed (with some justification) as worse then the original assault. From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Wed Mar 8 06:55:45 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Wed Mar 8 02:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: comcast bastards! References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote in news:Xns977F9A7818DE6spamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61: > David Dean wrote in > news:ozchzhq02-8390F2.08521407032006@frylock.local: > > >> That sort of game needs to be brought to the attention of the >> attorney general. >> > > They're probably in cahoots! > The problem is to try to prove it is deliberate. The company is likely to say that it was a simple "error". But I've been seeing a growing number of these "errors" over the past few years. (Which is why one must scrutinze every penny charged on a bill.. you never know when you'll get screwed because some upper manager thinks they can make their bottom line look better at your expense.) From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Wed Mar 8 06:56:22 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Wed Mar 8 02:00:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: comcast bastards! References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote in news:Xns977F9AB8DC071spamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61: > "indigo" wrote in > news:duk3me$ook$1@news.spamcop.net: > > >> Nope. > > Sad. How about the Playboy channel? :-) From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Mar 8 07:04:55 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Mar 8 07:10:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: comcast bastards! References: Message-ID: "Redstone" | > | >> Nope. | > | > Sad. | | | How about the Playboy channel? :-) If I can't participate ... I don;t want to watch. (d&r) From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Wed Mar 8 14:19:39 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Wed Mar 8 09:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Quotes of the Day - Ann Coulter Message-ID: _Ann Coulter_ "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war." "Not all Muslims may be terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims." "Being nice to people is, in fact, one of the incidental tenets of Christianity, as opposed to other religions whose tenets are more along the lines of 'kill everyone who doesn't smell bad and doesn't answer to the name Mohammed'." -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com Wed Mar 8 14:26:24 2006 From: khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Wed Mar 8 09:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Quotes of the Day - Ann Coulter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Canopus wrote: > _Ann Coulter_ > > "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them > to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing > only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we > killed civilians. That's war. And this is war." > > "Not all Muslims may be terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims." > > "Being nice to people is, in fact, one of the incidental tenets of > Christianity, as opposed to other religions whose tenets are more along > the lines of 'kill everyone who doesn't smell bad and doesn't answer to > the name Mohammed'." This is sort of mild for her. Usually she is a lot nuttier. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Mar 8 09:47:13 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Mar 8 09:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" wrote in > news:dukf5o$vde$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > >> Currently the controversy is with pharmacists refusing to fill > >> script for the morning after pill. > > > > Sorry, I meant over the counter use. > > Ah, that makes more sense LOL. They'd have to insist on some sort of > doctor's note or something though I should think, because it is a > potentially deadly thing to take for some people. No it isn't! It's just a double strength birth control pill. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Mar 8 09:48:59 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Mar 8 09:50:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: comcast bastards! References: Message-ID: Redstone wrote: > Sylvesterthekat wrote in > news:Xns977F9AB8DC071spamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61: > > > "indigo" wrote in > > news:duk3me$ook$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > > > >> Nope. > > > > Sad. > > > How about the Playboy channel? :-) Nah. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Mar 8 09:50:18 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Mar 8 09:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Quotes of the Day - Ann Coulter References: Message-ID: Canopus wrote: > > "Not all Muslims may be terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims." Guess she forgot about the IRA, the Basques, etc. From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Mar 8 09:29:17 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Mar 8 09:55:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: ain't wasting any time are they? References: <440E39A6.E6DA2A7C@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "Kenneth Loafman" | > | >> Haven't some states made it illegal to go someplace else to do what is | >> legal over there, but illegal in their home state? (Or was that something | >> that was tried and struck down?) | > | >f446a5b73119bd90&ei=5070> | >or: | > | | Won't stop anyone from doing it on their own, for the most part. What it | will stop is charities like we had before Roe that helped send poor women | out of state for abortions. But, such activities may not be needed with | the internet in place. Women will be able to better educate themselves, | and sites will list states and clinics that are friendly to the idea. | | It's almost always been the case that if you don't flaunt breaking a law | like this, you won't get nailed for it. The anti-'s are known to record vehicle ID and video tape visitors to clinics. Any vehicle that shows up with any rapidity will be ID'ed and the owner 'reported'. Most data is public record but even in cases where it's not it's no hill to by pass the protections. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Wed Mar 8 11:55:39 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Mar 8 12:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Texans must all be corrupt Message-ID: What the hell? Under criminal indictment and he still wins? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/08/AR2006030800469.html From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Mar 8 12:16:37 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Mar 8 12:20:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Texans must all be corrupt References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > What the hell? Under criminal indictment and he still wins? > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/08/AR2006030800469.html Hey, DC re-elected that whoring crackhead Marion Berry mayor after his conviction, DeLay pales in comparison to the stupidity shown in that election. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Mar 8 12:37:17 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Mar 8 12:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Here comes the war with Iran Message-ID: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060308/ap_on_re_mi_ea/nuclear_agency_iran VIENNA, Austria - Iran threatened the United States with "harm and pain" Wednesday for its role in hauling Tehran before the U.N. Security Council over its nuclear program. But the United States and its European allies said Iran's nuclear intransigence left the world no choice but to seek Security Council action. The council could impose economic and political sanctions on Iran. The statements were delivered to the 35-member board of the International Atomic Energy Agency, which is meeting to focus on Tehran's refusal to freeze uranium enrichment. The White House dismissed the rhetoric out of Tehran. "I think that provocative statements and actions only further isolate Iran from the rest of the world," White House press secretary Scott McClellan told reporters traveling with President Bush to hurricane-affected states in the Gulf Coast. "And the international community has spelled out to Iran what it needs to do." John Bolton, America's ambassador to the United Nations, said Iran's comments showed how much of a menace it was. "Their threats show why leaving a country like that with a nuclear weapon is so dangerous," he told The Associated Press in a phone call from Washington. Bolton classified the Iranian comments as "reflecting their determination to acquire weapons." Wednesday's meeting is in effect the last step before the Security Council begins considering Iran's nuclear activities and international fears they could be misused to make weapons. It began with both Iran and the nations opposing its enrichment plans sticking to their positions. "The United States has the power to cause harm and pain," said Ali Asghar Soltanieh, a senior Iranian delegate to the IAEA. "But the United States is also susceptible to harm and pain. So if that is the path that the U.S. wishes to choose, let the ball roll." He did not elaborate but suggested Iran was awaiting additional American moves. begin 666 b?P=ick5Js6.I3qlDiyRQ.EFAgHi2G9yw0QPFTcABCNA&T=1fdpl6g7p%2fX%3d1141839159%2fE%3d84441876%2fR%3dnews%2fK%3d5%2fV%3d2.1%2fW%3d8%2fY%3dYAHOO%2fF%3d2880792473%2fH%3dY2FjaGVoaW50PSJuZXdzIiBjb250ZW50PSJwYWluO1NlY3VyaXR5O1doaXRlO0hvdXNlO2h1cnJpY2FuZTtpdDtBbWVyaWNhO1dhc2hpbmd0b247SXQ7QW1lcmljYW47b2lsO09pbDt0ZXJyb3Jpc3Q7SXJhcTtlbmVyZ3k7Z2l2ZTttaWxpdGFyeTtnYXM7RW5lcmd5O3JlZnVybF9maW5hbmNlX21lc3NhZ2VzX3lhaG9vX2NvbSIgcmVmdXJsPSJyZWZ1cmxfZmluYW5jZV9tZXNzYWdlc195YWhvb19jb20iIHRvcGljcz0icmVmdXJsX2ZpbmFuY2VfbWVzc2FnZXNfeWFob29fY29tIg--%2fQ%3d-1%2fS%3d1%2fJ%3d6523BECE&U=1396526nt%2fN%3df0Zecs6.Iso-%2fC%3d390764.8087584.8910874.1442997%2fD%3dLREC%2fB%3d3226908 K1TE&.#EA`0`!`( ``/___P```"'Y! $`````+ `````!``$```("1 $`.P`` ` end From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Mar 8 13:43:37 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Mar 8 13:50:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re-roh.....more bad news Message-ID: Yeah, it may be written by a guy with an agenda but he does make some valid and scary points. Read the whole article for more info http://www.amin.org/eng/uncat/2006/mar/mar5-0.html Iran is the next in line target in the cross hair of the American administration. Iran is making the same "fatal mistake" Iraq did that led to the American/British invasion. Iran is opening its own Iran Oil Bourse, scheduled to open on March 20th, competing against the two leading oil exchanges; the New York Mercantile Exchange (NYMEX) and London's International Petroleum Exchange (IPE), using Euro as trading currency. Such a move will threaten the global hegemony of the American Dollar, and could cause the total collapse of the American economy. Although its troops are spread thin the American administration has no choice but to attack Iran using the threat of WMD (Iran's nuclear program) again as an excuse for the war. The American propaganda machine has been set in motion to brainwash nations (mainly Europeans) against Iran in preparation for the attack expected to happen between late March and mid April. To maintain the purchasing power of any currency its value must be backed by gold. The American Dollar is the exception to this rule. The Dollar is a fiat currency backed only by oil trade that uses only Dollar as its currency. Every country in the world must hold American Dollars to be able to purchase oil. The more demand for oil the more demand for the Dollar. This demand supports the value of the Dollar, and in turn supports the American economy. Switching oil trade from Dollar to Euro or to any other currency would reduce the demand for the Dollar, cause the reduction of its purchasing power and the inevitable collapse of the American economy. And then there's this one: http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/03/07/034134.php Iran has announced its intention to create an oil bourse (market) denominated in euros on its soil. The U.S. will likely not permit its creation if it can prevent it. This appears to be a last desperate effort on the part of the Iranian leadership to create an alternative to Anglo-American financial power in order to become the center of an anti-U.S. resistance worldwide and avoid having to stop their WMD program. This is a far greater threat to our stability than anything anyone else has come up with. It appears that rumors of a secret plan to attack Iran are largely centered around the U.S. perception of such a threat with the WMD issue being the core issue for which Iran has decided it needs to challenge U.S. power. I believe France's denouncements of Iran are largely being caused by the realization of just what a large threat this situation has become to the whole world. Iran has decided that is has enough power and balls to confront the entire Western world and the U.S. in particular with this plan of economic sabotage. I think that the new leader of Iran is a dangerous left-brain male infected with machismo and a god-complex who has probably lost his mind as I have stated before. He has not taken into account any of the effects of his actions on people worldwide, but then the Iranian leadership doesn't much care for any feelings except greed for power over their own people and the quite baffling belief that by acting tough and trying to blackmail other countries they are going to secure peace for their corrupted theocracy's continued oppressive existence. It is simply impossible for Washington planners to ignore this very real threat to American political and economic power at this point. Iran has chosen a suicidal confrontation with the Empire, as Antiwar.com so lovably calls it, because it's leaders refuse to negotiate. America is a convenient scapegoat to project their people's hatred against so that the stupid, irresponsible leadership of Iran can avoid being overthrown by their own people. Now they risk being overthrown by the Americans. The reason the U.S. dollar is threatened is because high demand for the U.S. dollar and Treasury Bills exist because foreigners need dollars to purchase resources in the primary markets for commodities, specifically oil. Because the U.S. and England, its subsidiary/sponsor, have controlled the major markets and denominated them in dollars, large numbers of dollars have been required to purchase oil and other commodities. If Iran establishes a successful foreign exchange system in euros, dollars will no longer be needed for international oil and presumably later commodities purchases, because these purchases could now be made in euros. These dollars would be repatriated into the U.S. economy causing massive inflation. We are talking in a range far in excess of the previous 1970's inflationary period when the full brunt of the currency readjustment gets into swing (see next paragraph and The Dollar Crisis: Causes, Consequences and Cures, and this is a very tentative and conservative estimate. This is one of the reason our "patriotic citizens" Bill Gates and Warren Buffet have said they would sell out the dollar and I believe already have to some extent. The Chinese and Japanese who have kept high dollar reserves and intervened in the free market for their own currencies in order to support the dollar system would likely watch their exports market dry up or face unimaginable levels of currency intervention to save the trade system they have erected. In any case, they would be unable to create enough yuan and yen to do so without going bankrupt themselves. At some point they will have to give up their heroic efforts to save their American trade empire. We could be facing a disastrous total global economic failure. Americans will face massive hyperinflation, total economic collapse lead by housing and the stock market, which have been largely supported by inflows of these foreign dollars back into our banking system, allowing for the creation of the massive number of loans because of increased dollar reserves. Unemployment will skyrocket, and poverty will become endemic within a few years of the collapse due to foreclosures and layoffs. The Republican Party will be toast, and the Democrats will likely be toast as well if they don't offer some kind of real solution. The current Democrat leadership is likely to be changed at the least. To save their political futures, the Republican leadership and Neocons will possibly try to start a war with Iran if they can and seize their oil assets and destroy the idea of this market. If they don't, their political futures are nill. If they do, their political future is very likely also nil. In any case, the oil wars are about to begin in earnest it seems or perhaps some last minute negotiations can stave off disaster. It is clear that we are in a very precarious situation at best, and the best diplomacy would be to negotiate with Iran, though they appear to be non negotiable about WMD or oil bourses. If no negotiations can succeed, it would appear that the given the current administration and the current political situation in Washington, combined with Wall Street and the vast oil industrial government machine complex, that war is unavoidable unless the people decide to change their way of life. From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Wed Mar 8 19:30:29 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Wed Mar 8 14:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Quotes of the Day - Ann Coulter References: Message-ID: Mr K. Mean on 08/03/2006 wrote: >This is sort of mild for her. Usually she is a lot nuttier. I'm not sure whether to laugh or be afraid. I've been passed on a whole load of wacky quotes and will post some every day concentrating on one illustrious person per day. Some made my chin hit my foot and made me consider becoming a hermit on some remote island :) -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Wed Mar 8 19:31:28 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Wed Mar 8 14:35:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Quotes of the Day - Ann Coulter References: Message-ID: indigo on 08/03/2006 wrote: > > >Canopus wrote: >> >>"Not all Muslims may be terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims." > >Guess she forgot about the IRA, the Basques, etc. Selective amnesia? -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Wed Mar 8 15:02:37 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Mar 8 15:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Quotes of the Day - Ann Coulter References: Message-ID: "Canopus" wrote in message news:dunbeg$oae$2@news.spamcop.net... > > > Selective amnesia? I really loved seeing her on Real Time having a meltdown because Bush appointed his bush clearing chick friend Miers to the SC - even she was incredulous about that, and considering all the other crap Bush does that she condones, that's saying something. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Wed Mar 8 15:05:06 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Wed Mar 8 15:10:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Here comes the war with Iran References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dun4oe$k5v$1@news.spamcop.net... > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060308/ap_on_re_mi_ea/nuclear_agency_iran > VIENNA, Austria - > Iran threatened the United States with "harm and pain" Wednesday for its > role in hauling Tehran before the U.N. Security Council over its nuclear > program. > And Cheney did exactly the same. If he's gonna talk the talk, he needs to walk the walk and we are way too overextended in Afghanistan and Iraq to even think about marching into Iran. But then again, when did Monkey Boy ever do anything that made sense? He's on a roll of fuck ups, so it wouldn't surprise me if he's planning an attack right now. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Wed Mar 8 21:42:16 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Wed Mar 8 15:45:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Quotes of the Day - Ann Coulter References: Message-ID: On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 14:47:12 -0500, David Dean coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : > IMO, she needs to be the one sequestered from the rest of humanity. s/the rest of // Your sentence implies that she *is* part of humanity. -- Steve A grammarian's life is always intense. From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Mar 8 13:15:08 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Mar 8 16:15:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Here's what happens when you obey the law. Message-ID: Funny, and yet sad at the same time. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5366552067462745475 From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Mar 8 13:22:41 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Mar 8 16:25:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Real Life Simpsons Message-ID: This is an official intro for the 17th season of The Simpsons in the UK this month. http://youtube.com/watch?v=49IDp76kjPw From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Mar 8 13:32:05 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Mar 8 16:35:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Here's what happens when you obey the law. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > Borgholio wrote: > > >>Funny, and yet sad at the same time. >> >>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5366552067462745475 > > > I'm surprised they didn't get cited for impeding traffic. I can only > imagine what would happen if someone tried that on DC's Beltway. > I don't think the citation would stick if it were fought in court. The city cannot possibly say "We want you to break the law and we'll punish you if you don't." From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Mar 8 16:42:04 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Mar 8 16:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Here comes the war with Iran References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:dun4oe$k5v$1@news.spamcop.net... > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060308/ap_on_re_mi_ea/nuclear_agency_iran > > VIENNA, Austria - > > Iran threatened the United States with "harm and pain" > > Wednesday for its role in hauling Tehran before the U.N. Security > > Council over its nuclear program. > > > And Cheney did exactly the same. If he's gonna talk the talk, he > needs to walk the walk and we are way too overextended in Afghanistan > and Iraq to even think about marching into Iran. But then again, > when did Monkey Boy ever do anything that made sense? He's on a roll > of fuck ups, so it wouldn't surprise me if he's planning an attack > right now. If you read that other article I posted many people think something is going to happen before March 20th. I guarantee you that the attack planning is already done, and probably has been done for months. Where they're going to get the troops, well......big problem there....could maybe just be a bombing campaign until Iran capitulates? From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Mar 8 16:48:30 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Wed Mar 8 16:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Here's what happens when you obey the law. References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > Borgholio wrote: > > > Funny, and yet sad at the same time. > > > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5366552067462745475 > > I'm surprised they didn't get cited for impeding traffic. I can > only imagine what would happen if someone tried that on DC's Beltway. They'd get shoved off the road or shot, that's what would happen. Those folks are lucky to be alive if you ask me, what they did was just begging for some idiot with road rage to kill them. From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Mar 8 13:52:05 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Mar 8 16:55:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Here's what happens when you obey the law. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > David Dean wrote: > >>In article , >> Borgholio wrote: >> >> >>>Funny, and yet sad at the same time. >>> >>>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5366552067462745475 >> >> I'm surprised they didn't get cited for impeding traffic. I can >>only imagine what would happen if someone tried that on DC's Beltway. > > > They'd get shoved off the road or shot, that's what would happen. Those > folks are lucky to be alive if you ask me, what they did was just begging > for some idiot with road rage to kill them. > > Yet another point to prove that the speed limit is too slow. :) From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Mar 8 13:58:45 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Mar 8 17:00:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Here's what happens when you obey the law. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > Borgholio wrote: > > >>I don't think the citation would stick if it were fought in court. The city >>cannot possibly say "We want you to break the law and we'll punish you if >>you don't." > > > Since when does government have to make sense? But, considering that > they conspired to block traffic (even though doing so at the speed > limit) I think the film would be used as evidence against them. > A good lawyer could argue that "conspiring to obey the law" isn't a crime at all, and that the students were simply trying to prove how flawed the current speed limit really is. From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Mar 8 14:26:05 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Mar 8 17:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Here's what happens when you obey the law. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > Borgholio wrote: > > >>A good lawyer could argue that "conspiring to obey the law" isn't a crime at >>all, and that the students were simply trying to prove how flawed the >>current speed limit really is. > > > Well, Florida almost passed a law that would have made going the > speed limit a crime: > > > >>Under the proposal, critics pointed out during House debate, motorists could >>in fact be ticketed for obeying the speed limit. > > Yeah...ALMOST passed. :) From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Mar 8 14:31:42 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Mar 8 17:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Here's what happens when you obey the law. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was Borgholio ! > > >>I don't think the citation would stick if it were fought in court. >>The city cannot possibly say "We want you to break the law and we'll >>punish you if you don't." > > > It would in Washington (or was it Oregon? Not like it's important). You > are required to pull over if you are holding back 4 vehicles. You are not > responsible for anyone's behavior but your own, eh? Didn't know about that one. Still kinda avoids the issue of the speed limit. From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Wed Mar 8 23:08:08 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Wed Mar 8 18:10:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Quotes of the Day - Ann Coulter References: Message-ID: Steven Maesslein on 08/03/2006 wrote: >On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 14:47:12 -0500, David Dean coughed into >spamcop.social and left this in >: > >>IMO, she needs to be the one sequestered from the rest of humanity. > >s/the rest of // > >Your sentence implies that she is part of humanity. There seems to be a lot of these aliens about and they seem to be running countries. When did we get invaded? -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From bar_n0ne at hotmail.com Wed Mar 8 17:09:39 2006 From: bar_n0ne at hotmail.com (Berny) Date: Wed Mar 8 18:10:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Here's what happens when you obey the law. References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9780B13C8C4DATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > No way it was me! It was Borgholio ! > > > I don't think the citation would stick if it were fought in court. > > The city cannot possibly say "We want you to break the law and we'll > > punish you if you don't." > > It would in Washington (or was it Oregon? Not like it's important). You > are required to pull over if you are holding back 4 vehicles. You are not > responsible for anyone's behavior but your own, eh? It certainly was California law in the 60's, wether it's been repealed in the meantime I don't know. In fact even at the speed limit, if you were holding back more than 4 vehicles on a 2 lane highway you were required to pull over when safe (when there was a pullout or the shoulder permitted) and allow them to pass. Marvelous law to my mind. From khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com Wed Mar 8 23:49:28 2006 From: khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Wed Mar 8 18:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Quotes of the Day - Ann Coulter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Canopus wrote: > indigo on 08/03/2006 wrote: >> >> Canopus wrote: >>> >>> "Not all Muslims may be terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims." >> >> Guess she forgot about the IRA, the Basques, etc. > > Selective amnesia? If it doesn't fit her point of view, she doesn't bother with it. From khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com Thu Mar 9 00:00:09 2006 From: khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Wed Mar 8 19:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Quotes of the Day - Ann Coulter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Canopus wrote: > Mr K. Mean on 08/03/2006 wrote: > >> This is sort of mild for her. Usually she is a lot nuttier. > > I'm not sure whether to laugh or be afraid. > > I've been passed on a whole load of wacky quotes and will post some > every day concentrating on one illustrious person per day. Some made my > chin hit my foot and made me consider becoming a hermit on some remote > island :) We had this discussion a few years ago, whether she is crazy or manic or psychotic or what exactly. Certainly she doesn't let those fact thingys get in her way. You know, she is racist, and jingoistic, and doesn't actually bother doing any research about anything she rants about in addition to being just completely bat shit crazy. But the scary thing is that despite all that, people pay her to write newspaper columns and books and invite her onto tv shows. From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Thu Mar 9 01:45:45 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Wed Mar 8 20:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dumqpi$e7r$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Sylvesterthekat wrote: >> >> Ah, that makes more sense LOL. They'd have to insist on some sort of >> doctor's note or something though I should think, because it is a >> potentially deadly thing to take for some people. > > No it isn't! It's just a double strength birth control pill. > Which *is* potentially deadly for some people: Risks and Side Effects of Birth Control Pills The Pill is not for everyone. Although most side effects of oral contraceptives are not serious, and occur infrequently, there are some side effects which can be life threatening. The most serious risks associated with pill use include blood clots, stroke, and heart attacks. http://womenshealth.about.com/cs/birthcontrol/a/thepilljstthefa_2.htm From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Thu Mar 9 01:57:30 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Wed Mar 8 21:00:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Here's what happens when you obey the law. References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:dunift$odf$2@news.spamcop.net... > David Dean wrote: >> In article , >> Borgholio wrote: >> >> >>>Funny, and yet sad at the same time. >>> >>>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5366552067462745475 >> >> >> I'm surprised they didn't get cited for impeding traffic. I can only >> imagine what would happen if someone tried that on DC's Beltway. >> > > I don't think the citation would stick if it were fought in court. The > city cannot possibly say "We want you to break the law and we'll punish > you if you don't." They didn't have to take up all the lanes in order to drive at 55mph.............. Effectively, they were not just driving at 55, by taking up all the lanes, they were effectively trying to act as enforcers by trying to prevent other people passing them - which I suspect might hold up as a citation. From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Mar 8 18:14:59 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Mar 8 21:15:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Here's what happens when you obey the law. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:dunift$odf$2@news.spamcop.net... > >> David Dean wrote: >> >>> In article , >>> Borgholio wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Funny, and yet sad at the same time. >>>> >>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5366552067462745475 >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm surprised they didn't get cited for impeding traffic. I can >>> only imagine what would happen if someone tried that on DC's Beltway. >>> >> >> I don't think the citation would stick if it were fought in court. >> The city cannot possibly say "We want you to break the law and we'll >> punish you if you don't." > > > They didn't have to take up all the lanes in order to drive at > 55mph.............. Effectively, they were not just driving at 55, by > taking up all the lanes, they were effectively trying to act as > enforcers by trying to prevent other people passing them - which I > suspect might hold up as a citation. There's no law against driving the speed limit in any lane you want. Only in Germany is there a "Pass left, drive right" law. From borgholio at storymind.com Wed Mar 8 18:17:35 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Wed Mar 8 21:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Re-roh.....more bad news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" wrote in > news:dun8qf$ml4$1@news.spamcop.net: > > http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/03/07/034134.php > >>Iran has announced its intention to create an oil bourse (market) >>denominated in euros on its soil. The U.S. will likely not permit its >>creation if it can prevent it. This appears to be a last desperate >>effort on the part of the Iranian leadership to create an alternative >>to Anglo-American financial power in order to become the center of an >>anti-U.S. resistance worldwide and avoid having to stop their WMD >>program. > > > It seems to me that Iran further endangers themselves and their nuclear > program by threatening to trade oil in Euros. It has been the case time and > time again that the US reacts far more to economic than military threats. > With the regular forces spread so thin, the only recourse in this case may > be the use of nuclear weapons. > I'd love to see Hitler try and use nukes against Iran. A pre-emptive nuke strike to protect oil supplies...can he possibly be that stupid? From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Mar 8 21:14:08 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Wed Mar 8 21:20:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: ain't wasting any time are they? References: <440E39A6.E6DA2A7C@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" | | > In other words, if you live in state A where it's illegal to do X, and | > you travel to state B (where X is legal) and do X, when you return to | > state A you can be charged for breaking the law by doing X? | > | | I would seriously doubt it. If that is the case, it makes a mockery of | 'freedom' in this country. folk who go on 'sex tours' in the Orenta are often nailed under US federal and state laws. | From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Mar 8 22:13:05 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Mar 8 22:20:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > Dude, the birth control pill is deadly to some women and in double dose > even more so. If you're remotely at risk of thrombosis then you really > should not take it, especially if you smoke. Depends on what kind you take, the one called Plan B is progestin only and doesn't cause many side effects or carry many risks. http://www.plannedparenthood.org/pp2/portal/files/portal/medicalinfo/ec/pub-emergency-contraception.xml Interestingly the other kind used as morning after pills that contain estrogen as well are also used as the 4-periods-a-year bc pills, like Seasonale, and they DO carry all the risks of blood clots and stroke, etc.: http://www.seasonale.com/#AL1 "Like other birth control pills, SEASONALE® has serious risks, which can be life threatening, including blood clots, stroke, and heart attack and are increased if you smoke cigarettes. Cigarette smoking increases the risk of serious side effects, especially if you are over 35. Women who use the Pill should not smoke. Some women should not use the Pill, including women who have blood clots, certain cancers, a history of heart attack or stroke, as well as those who are or may be pregnant. " Now they're finding the "patch" carries an even bigger risk of blood clots and stroke. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Mar 8 22:14:43 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Mar 8 22:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Re-roh.....more bad news References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:duo376$6ot$2@news.spamcop.net... > I'd love to see Hitler try and use nukes against Iran. A pre-emptive nuke > strike to protect oil supplies...can he possibly be that stupid? Please don't ask silly rhetorical questions like that because you KNOW what's gonna happen now.... From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Mar 8 22:15:58 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Mar 8 22:25:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Here comes the war with Iran References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > > Shame the US military machine is all tapped out eh? > Like he'd ever admit it or allow that to stop him? Great excuse to pull troops out of Iraq without losing face, don't you think? We're not going to 'cut and run', but sorry, sheesh, we've got to beat the shit out of Iran now. From nobody at spamcop.net Wed Mar 8 22:16:31 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (Heidi) Date: Wed Mar 8 22:25:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Texans must all be corrupt References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > > LOL yeah, incredible isn't it? What the hell is up with Texas?! Too much Kool Aid, you saw what happened to Harry... From six.million at dollar.man Wed Mar 8 23:20:40 2006 From: six.million at dollar.man (dwåcôn) Date: Wed Mar 8 23:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Speed Racers Message-ID: I knew that, around the curve, there was one of those flashy signs that tell you how fast you are going... so I made sure to keep it below the speed limit. But the folks behind me got impatient and zoomed past me to the right. When we rounded the curve, I spotted the trooper in the unmarked car with the camera... so I made sure to go even slower... but the other guys sped up until the bright red flash of the speed monitor. I trust that, when the photos are developed, they'll recognize the folks passing me on the right and not lump me in with the scofflaws... I trust... From devnull at spamcop.net Wed Mar 8 23:32:16 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Mar 9 00:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Here's what happens when you obey the law. References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:duo329$6ot$1@news.spamcop.net... | Porpoise wrote: | > | > "Borgholio" wrote in message | > news:dunift$odf$2@news.spamcop.net... | > | >> David Dean wrote: | >> | >>> In article , | >>> Borgholio wrote: | >>> | >>> | >>>> Funny, and yet sad at the same time. | >>>> | >>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5366552067462745475 | >>> | >>> | >>> | >>> I'm surprised they didn't get cited for impeding traffic. I can | >>> only imagine what would happen if someone tried that on DC's Beltway. | >>> | >> | >> I don't think the citation would stick if it were fought in court. | >> The city cannot possibly say "We want you to break the law and we'll | >> punish you if you don't." | > | > | > They didn't have to take up all the lanes in order to drive at | > 55mph.............. Effectively, they were not just driving at 55, by | > taking up all the lanes, they were effectively trying to act as | > enforcers by trying to prevent other people passing them - which I | > suspect might hold up as a citation. | | There's no law against driving the speed limit in any lane you want. Only | in Germany is there a "Pass left, drive right" law. Several states have laws that 'slower moving traffic must use the right lane. Others have passing lane only, if you ride the right lane you can be ticketed. From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 00:11:14 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Mar 9 00:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Here's what happens when you obey the law. References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" | | >>> | | >>>> Funny, and yet sad at the same time. | | >>>> | | >>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5366552067462745475 | | >>> | | >>> | | >>> | | >>> I'm surprised they didn't get cited for impeding traffic. I can | | >>> only imagine what would happen if someone tried that on DC's Beltway. | | >>> | | >> | | >> I don't think the citation would stick if it were fought in court. | | >> The city cannot possibly say "We want you to break the law and we'll | | >> punish you if you don't." | | > | | > | | > They didn't have to take up all the lanes in order to drive at | | > 55mph.............. Effectively, they were not just driving at 55, by | | > taking up all the lanes, they were effectively trying to act as | | > enforcers by trying to prevent other people passing them - which I | | > suspect might hold up as a citation. | | | | There's no law against driving the speed limit in any lane you want. Only | | in Germany is there a "Pass left, drive right" law. | | Several states have laws that 'slower moving traffic must use the right | lane. Others have passing lane only, if you ride the right lane you can be | ticketed. That should read LEFT lane. From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Thu Mar 9 05:32:01 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Thu Mar 9 00:35:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: comcast bastards! References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote in news:ozchzhq02-1369A9.08372608032006@frylock.local: > > What they have to do is establish a pattern. If this "error" is > happening to a lot of people, then you know that the "error" excuse is > bogus. > If it is happening to a lot of people. Now, their lawyers would argue.. what is "a lot"? From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Thu Mar 9 05:32:31 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Thu Mar 9 00:35:14 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: comcast bastards! References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in news:dumhbq$8e5$1 @news.spamcop.net: > If I can't participate ... I don;t want to watch. (d&r) > > Colonel, you are how old? :-) From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Thu Mar 9 05:34:43 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Thu Mar 9 00:35:17 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: comcast bastards! References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote in news:Xns9780B5CDA8B04spamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61: > Redstone wrote in > news:Xns977FE9630CAFCtinlc@216.154.195.61: > > >> >> How about the Playboy channel? :-) >> >> > > Eh, he can always get porn on DVD. That's true. And there is always enough of those "Girls gone wild" videos to boot. :-) From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 01:15:42 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Mar 9 01:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: comcast bastards! References: Message-ID: "Redstone" | | > If I can't participate ... I don;t want to watch. (d&r) | | Colonel, you are how old? :-) Old enough to know better but too young to resist ... From khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com Thu Mar 9 06:37:16 2006 From: khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Thu Mar 9 01:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Re-roh.....more bad news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" wrote in > news:dun8qf$ml4$1@news.spamcop.net: > > http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/03/07/034134.php >> Iran has announced its intention to create an oil bourse (market) >> denominated in euros on its soil. The U.S. will likely not permit its >> creation if it can prevent it. This appears to be a last desperate >> effort on the part of the Iranian leadership to create an alternative >> to Anglo-American financial power in order to become the center of an >> anti-U.S. resistance worldwide and avoid having to stop their WMD >> program. > > It seems to me that Iran further endangers themselves and their nuclear > program by threatening to trade oil in Euros. It has been the case time and > time again that the US reacts far more to economic than military threats. > With the regular forces spread so thin, the only recourse in this case may > be the use of nuclear weapons. I read similar things about Iraq. The point where Saddam went over the line from being a good dictator to a bad dictator who had to be overthrown at any cost was when he started making the move to switch the oil for food program from dollars to euros. From cfw at prodigy.net Wed Mar 8 23:19:04 2006 From: cfw at prodigy.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Thu Mar 9 02:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Here's what happens when you obey the law. References: Message-ID: "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns9780C3B612E6ATheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > Nah. Oregon is way cool - they're the ones with the sanity law. You can > be busted, regardless of the speed limit, for driving at an unsafe speed. > And they don't enforce the posted speed limit anywhere near as much as, > say, the (bad words deleted) that are the WSP... I was pulled over once in Oregon for doing 45 in 35 or somesuch... So I know they do enforce it. Perhaps not ALL the time :) Chris From cfw at prodigy.net Wed Mar 8 23:22:25 2006 From: cfw at prodigy.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Thu Mar 9 02:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Real Life Simpsons References: Message-ID: Too bad.. That's 17 seasons too many IMHO. :) Chris "Borgholio" wrote in message news:dunhu9$odf$1@news.spamcop.net... > This is an official intro for the 17th season of The Simpsons in the UK this > month. > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=49IDp76kjPw From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Thu Mar 9 08:26:59 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Thu Mar 9 03:30:14 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Here's what happens when you obey the law. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:dunift$odf$2@news.spamcop.net... >> David Dean wrote: >>> In article , >>> Borgholio wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Funny, and yet sad at the same time. >>>> >>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5366552067462745475 >>> >>> >>> I'm surprised they didn't get cited for impeding traffic. I can >>> only imagine what would happen if someone tried that on DC's Beltway. >>> >> >> I don't think the citation would stick if it were fought in court. >> The city cannot possibly say "We want you to break the law and we'll >> punish you if you don't." > > They didn't have to take up all the lanes in order to drive at > 55mph.............. Effectively, they were not just driving at 55, by > taking up all the lanes, they were effectively trying to act as > enforcers by trying to prevent other people passing them - which I > suspect might hold up as a citation. So you are asking one of them to break the law to speed up and go past? Or should I break to let someone go past. AFAIK, the only time I would have to do that legally is to let an emergency service vehicle past. At all other times the rest can take a hike. If everyone followed the 'rule' of "When driving, make sure your actions don't result in another driver taking action", we'd have much safer roads. Everyone of the cars following them was breaking the law on tailgating probably (might not be a specific law for that, but, it could be argued about driving with undue care and hesitancy). I think some people tried it in the UK and got busted for it, but I can't find a reference to it right now. (And that is despite our speed limits being: ACTUAL SPEED LIMIT = POST LIMIT +10% +3mph (Unless the conditions warrant different speeds, eg fog, rain etc. That is when driving with undue care and consideration for the conditions applies) Chris From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Thu Mar 9 08:30:42 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Thu Mar 9 03:35:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: look no hands In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/4785686.stm > > A motorist has been fined after being caught by a speed camera taking both > hands off the wheel to apply make-up while driving near a north Wales town. > > Later in the article it says that it's an 'unusual case'. Maybe it's > unusual to catch someone in the act like this but I see it all the time. > Just the other day I was behind this woman and she was using eyelash > curlers while driving! I just could NOT believe it. I bet you posted this via your 3G PDA/Handset whilst doing 90mph on the M4 eh? Its mobile phone use that gets me these days.. But that video was shown on national news last night with no blocking her face. That will shame her somewhat. Deserves all the band she got and more. Chris From edb2000 at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 00:41:16 2006 From: edb2000 at spamcop.net (Don Wannit) Date: Thu Mar 9 03:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Here's what happens when you obey the law. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > David Dean wrote: > >> In article , >> Borgholio wrote: >> >> >>> Funny, and yet sad at the same time. >>> >>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5366552067462745475 >> >> >> >> I'm surprised they didn't get cited for impeding traffic. I can >> only imagine what would happen if someone tried that on DC's Beltway. >> > > I don't think the citation would stick if it were fought in court. The > city cannot possibly say "We want you to break the law and we'll punish > you if you don't." Actually, in California the speed limit law has the same precedence as the "do not impede traffic" law. It is illegal in California to drive in the passing (left) lane and block traffic behind you, even if you are driving the speed limit. And there is a more specific law, which takes higher priority over the speed limit, which requires slower traffic to pull over at the first safe opportunity to allow following traffic to pass if there are 5 or more vehicles being impeded. This is true even if you are driving the speed limit and they would, by passing you, be exceeding the speed limit. -- Don Wannit A paid SpamCop user since 1999 From nobody at nowhere.invalid Thu Mar 9 11:20:27 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Thu Mar 9 05:25:14 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Here's what happens when you obey the law. References: Message-ID: On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 18:14:59 -0800, Borgholio coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : > There's no law against driving the speed limit in any lane you want. > Only in Germany is there a "Pass left, drive right" law. That's the law pretty much everywhere (where people drive on the right hand side of the road - it's drive pass right, drive left in the UK for example). Only in the US are you allowed to use any lane to overtake AFAIK. -- Steve If a listener nods his head when you're explaining your program, wake him up. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Thu Mar 9 11:23:39 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Thu Mar 9 05:25:21 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: ain't wasting any time are they? References: <440E39A6.E6DA2A7C@spamcop.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 01:45:44 +0000 (UTC), Sylvesterthekat coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : > I would seriously doubt it. If that is the case, it makes a mockery of > 'freedom' in this country. That horse left the barn a long time ago. -- Steve Sign spotted in an office: AFTER TEA BREAK STAFF SHOULD EMPTY THE TEAPOT AND STAND UPSIDE DOWN ON THE DRAINING BOARD From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Thu Mar 9 12:46:11 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Thu Mar 9 07:50:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: look no hands References: Message-ID: Chris Wright on 09/03/2006 wrote: >But that video was shown on national news last night with no blocking her >face. That will shame her somewhat. Deserves all the band she got and >more. She's a model and has just got national publicity on TV and newspapers which ended up costing her far less than paying for it even if it wasn't her intention. I'm half expecting to see her advertising cars before long. Shot of her in car doing full face make-up job and putting in contact lenses. Caption: This car is so smooth to drive it feels as if it drives itself! -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Thu Mar 9 12:58:14 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Thu Mar 9 08:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Quotes of the Day - Beverly LaHaya (Concerned Women for America) Message-ID: Beverly LaHaya "Yes, religion and politics do mix. America is a nation based on biblical principles. Christian values dominate our government. The test of those values is the Bible. Politicians who do not use the bible to guide their public and private lives do not belong in office." -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com Thu Mar 9 13:20:57 2006 From: khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Thu Mar 9 08:30:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Quotes of the Day - Beverly LaHaya (Concerned Women for America) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Canopus wrote: > Beverly LaHaya > > "Yes, religion and politics do mix. America is a nation based on > biblical principles. Christian values dominate our government. The test > of those values is the Bible. Politicians who do not use the bible to > guide their public and private lives do not belong in office." Aack, are you trying to remind me why I'm glad I'm not in the US right now? Are you just going to go through the nutty religious right here? Got any Focus on the Family ones or Falwell or Robertson? Or who is that crazy guy who always pickets gay funerals? It is sad though, what part of this doesn't feel like maybe 1189 and the Crusades and sending off knights to either convert the heathen Arabs or slaughter them? Although I think the deeper reason have more to do with greed or perhaps political distraction. From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Thu Mar 9 13:47:18 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Thu Mar 9 08:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Quotes of the Day - Beverly LaHaya (Concerned Women for America) References: Message-ID: Mr K. Mean on 09/03/2006 wrote: >Are you just going to go through the nutty religious right here? Got any >Focus on the Family ones or Falwell or Robertson? Or who is that crazy >guy who always pickets gay funerals? Yep, I'm working up to the good ones :?)) -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 08:56:52 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Mar 9 09:00:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > > Which *is* potentially deadly for some people: > > > Risks and Side Effects of Birth Control Pills > The Pill is not for everyone. Although most side effects of oral > contraceptives are not serious, and occur infrequently, there are > some side effects which can be life threatening. The most serious > risks associated with pill use include blood clots, stroke, and heart > attacks. > > http://womenshealth.about.com/cs/birthcontrol/a/thepilljstthefa_2.htm Find me one article where a woman suffered those side affects from one time use. The studies you're quoting are for long term users. P.S. You're not posting in plain text.....'tis an ugly font that shows up on my screen From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 09:00:04 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Mar 9 09:05:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: comcast bastards! References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Redstone wrote in > news:Xns977FE9630CAFCtinlc@216.154.195.61: > > > > > > How about the Playboy channel? :-) > > > > > > Eh, he can always get porn on DVD. What for? Real life poontang is good enough for me! And the though of watching porn in my living room (that's where the DVD player is), where my neighbors could hear it, is kinda....icky, you know? ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 09:02:31 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Mar 9 09:05:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Re-roh.....more bad news References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > It seems to me that Iran further endangers themselves and their > nuclear program by threatening to trade oil in Euros. It has been the > case time and time again that the US reacts far more to economic than > military threats. With the regular forces spread so thin, the only > recourse in this case may be the use of nuclear weapons. No way in hell anyone would ever get away with using nukes again, ever. We still have plenty of airpower without needing to resort to nukes (even the shrub ain't that stupid). That said, I pray that Iran comes to it's senses and doesn't force our hand. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 09:04:54 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Mar 9 09:05:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Quotes of the Day - Beverly LaHaya (Concerned Women for America) References: Message-ID: Mr K. Mean wrote: > Aack, are you trying to remind me why I'm glad I'm not in the US right > now? Are you just going to go through the nutty religious right here? > Got any Focus on the Family ones or Falwell or Robertson? IIRC that one group of evangelicals kicked Robertson out of their midst after his line about Sharon's stroke being caused by God for dividing the holy land. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 09:03:16 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Mar 9 09:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Quotes of the Day - Beverly LaHaya (Concerned Women for America) References: Message-ID: "Canopus" wrote in message news:dup8p6$t2h$1@news.spamcop.net... > Beverly LaHaya > > "Yes, religion and politics do mix. America is a nation based on biblical > principles. Christian values dominate our government. The test of those > values is the Bible. Politicians who do not use the bible to guide their > public and private lives do not belong in office." She's so open minded too: http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=3151 Mrs. LaHaye warned her members that homosexuals "want their depraved 'values' to become our children's values. Homosexuals expect society to embrace their immoral way of life. Worse yet, they are looking for new recruits!" (CWA direct mail, 5/92) From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 09:06:28 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Mar 9 09:10:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: look no hands References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9780B4F8A982Aspamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/4785686.stm > > A motorist has been fined after being caught by a speed camera taking both > hands off the wheel to apply make-up while driving near a north Wales town. > > Later in the article it says that it's an 'unusual case'. Maybe it's > unusual to catch someone in the act like this but I see it all the time. > Just the other day I was behind this woman and she was using eyelash > curlers while driving! I just could NOT believe it. Well, what do you expect from someone who lives in a town called "MOLD"? From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 09:10:04 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Mar 9 09:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] 73% Increase !! Message-ID: Thanks to the wonders of deregulation of electricity our electric bills are going to go up a whopping 73% this July. The de-reg bill was written six years ago when natty gas and coal were cheap and Enron was touting the cost savings available from free-market energy (and we know how that turned out in CA). And the folks in charge were so concerned about the impact that they wrote a bill to allow a slower 3-year phase in of the increase, but you have to pay 5% interest on what you should have payed. Oh, and the real kicker? You have to OPT OUT of the rate phase in! Everyone is automatically enrolled in it! The bastards......electric bills are expected to go up nearly $800/year on average, I shudder to think how many folks living on the edge are going to go under when this happens. From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 09:06:58 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Mar 9 09:15:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Here's what happens when you obey the law. References: Message-ID: "Chris Wright" | Or should I break to let someone go past. AFAIK, the only time I would | have to do that legally is to let an emergency service vehicle past. Logical assumption but not true. You can be ticketed for exceeding the limit regardless. Case in Louisiana went to the LA high court ... conviction reaffirmed. From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 09:09:01 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Mar 9 09:15:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Re-roh.....more bad news References: Message-ID: "indigo" < | > | > It seems to me that Iran further endangers themselves and their | > nuclear program by threatening to trade oil in Euros. It has been the | > case time and time again that the US reacts far more to economic than | > military threats. With the regular forces spread so thin, the only | > recourse in this case may be the use of nuclear weapons. | | No way in hell anyone would ever get away with using nukes again, ever. We | still have plenty of airpower without needing to resort to nukes (even the | shrub ain't that stupid). That said, I pray that Iran comes to it's senses | and doesn't force our hand. Don't be too confident about the shrub doing anything 'too stupid' From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 09:23:23 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Mar 9 09:40:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 73% Increase !! References: Message-ID: "indigo" | Thanks to the wonders of deregulation of electricity our electric bills are | going to go up a whopping 73% this July. The de-reg bill was written six | years ago when natty gas and coal were cheap and Enron was touting the cost | savings available from free-market energy (and we know how that turned out | in CA). And the folks in charge were so concerned about the impact that they | wrote a bill to allow a slower 3-year phase in of the increase, but you have | to pay 5% interest on what you should have payed. Oh, and the real kicker? | You have to OPT OUT of the rate phase in! Everyone is automatically enrolled | in it! The bastards......electric bills are expected to go up nearly | $800/year on average, I shudder to think how many folks living on the edge | are going to go under when this happens. In a word: WITHOUT. The assistance programs have been gutted and what support there is is through voluntary contributions from subscribers and that fund is dwindling due to those who were contributing being also unable to afford their own bills. Seems CNN is running a story that the AG of Minnesota or Michigan has uncovered over charging to the tune of $1B in the natural gas industry. More interesting is there is nothing the state AG can do about the abuse. From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 09:31:12 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Mar 9 09:40:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: look no hands References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" < | > A motorist has been fined after being caught by a speed camera taking both | > hands off the wheel to apply make-up while driving near a north Wales town. | > | > Later in the article it says that it's an 'unusual case'. Maybe it's | > unusual to catch someone in the act like this but I see it all the time. | > Just the other day I was behind this woman and she was using eyelash | > curlers while driving! I just could NOT believe it. | | Well, what do you expect from someone who lives in a town called "MOLD"? Anyone up for a road trip to INTERCOURSE PA? http://www.800padutch.com/intercs.shtml From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 09:38:14 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Mar 9 09:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dupc75$uup$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Find me one article where a woman suffered those side affects from one time > use. The studies you're quoting are for long term users. It's one of the known side effects from one brand, containing estrogen, and given in two pills 12 hours apart, so it's conceivable "one time use" does cause fatal clots, along with other undesireable and dangerous side effects. http://www.drugs.com/mtm/P/Preven_EC.html From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 09:41:10 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Mar 9 09:45:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: ain't wasting any time are they? References: <440E39A6.E6DA2A7C@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" | >| I would seriously doubt it. If that is the case, it makes a mockery | >| of 'freedom' in this country. | > | > folk who go on 'sex tours' in the Orenta are often nailed under US | > federal and state laws. | | It would depend on how the anti abortion law was worded I suppose. It may | be aimed at performing abortions rather than getting them. Besides, if | you're a woman and you find yourself pregnant in a state that is likely to | put you in jail if you abort it... just don't tell anyone! And someone (anti?) video tapes the visit and drops a nickel to the DA in the home state? DA gets a warrent and the women must submit to a medical exam? From nobody at nowhere.invalid Thu Mar 9 15:47:40 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Thu Mar 9 09:50:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:56:52 -0500, indigo coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : > P.S. You're not posting in plain text.....'tis an ugly font that shows > up on my screen It *is* plain text. It's *your* newsreader reacting strangely to the charset specification. Look at the message source next time :) -- Steve If you don't pay your exorcist, do you get repossessed? From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 10:10:24 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Mar 9 10:15:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Here's what happens when you obey the law. References: Message-ID: "Steven Maesslein" wrote in message news:slrne100bb.4kb.nobody@127.0.0.1... > > That's the law pretty much everywhere (where people drive on the right > hand side of the road - it's drive pass right, drive left in the UK for > example). Only in the US are you allowed to use any lane to overtake > AFAIK. I don't think it's considered OK to overtake from "any lane", people do it and it's dangerous, but when I went to driving school, it was always pass left, passing on the right was considered dangerous for cars trying to move right to allow others to pass on the left. I guess they're allowing for more four lane roads now. http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/xxi/265/265-19.htm and I love this one, I know of someone who was stopped late at night, speeding 10-15 over the speed limit and got off because he used the exact wording in the state law, he was driving at a speed "reasonable and prudent for the time of night and the lack of traffic" 265:60 Basic Rule and Maximum Limits. – I. No person shall drive a vehicle on a way at a speed greater than is reasonable and prudent under the conditions and having regard to the actual and potential hazards then existing. In every event speed shall be so controlled as may be necessary to avoid colliding with any person, vehicle, or other conveyance on or entering the way in compliance with legal requirements and the duty of all persons to use due care. Minimum speed and impeding traffic 265:64 Minimum Speed Regulation. – I. No person shall drive a vehicle at such a slow speed as to impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic except when reduced speed is necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law. Under this provision a minimum speed limit of 45 miles per hour shall be posted and prevail on the interstate highway system in the state. other states, however... http://www.mit.edu/~jfc/right.html From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 10:21:22 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Mar 9 10:25:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 73% Increase !! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dupcvs$vem$1@news.spamcop.net... > Thanks to the wonders of deregulation of electricity our electric bills are > going to go up a whopping 73% this July. The de-reg bill was written six > years ago when natty gas and coal were cheap and Enron was touting the cost > savings available from free-market energy (and we know how that turned out > in CA). And the folks in charge were so concerned about the impact that they > wrote a bill to allow a slower 3-year phase in of the increase, but you have > to pay 5% interest on what you should have payed. Oh, and the real kicker? > You have to OPT OUT of the rate phase in! Everyone is automatically enrolled > in it! The bastards......electric bills are expected to go up nearly > $800/year on average, I shudder to think how many folks living on the edge > are going to go under when this happens. They're going to be the same people who are jobless already because of mergers and cutbacks, or senior citizens who are on the edge already and facing SS cutbacks, because that's where Bush thinks he can ge the most money. I'm telling you, this country and this economy is heading for one bigass crash, there are only so many financial crises people can absorb, and no one is doing anything about it. Housing market is about to go bust, I'd bet money on it, and what's going to happen to the at least 10K people laid off when the ATT merger goes through, not to mention all the auto industry jobs and manufacturing already going off shore? From khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com Thu Mar 9 15:27:26 2006 From: khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Thu Mar 9 10:35:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: ain't wasting any time are they? In-Reply-To: References: <440E39A6.E6DA2A7C@spamcop.net> Message-ID: <44u5e3-jcj.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org> Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Steven Maesslein wrote in > news:slrne100hb.4kb.nobody@127.0.0.1: > >>> I would seriously doubt it. If that is the case, it makes a mockery of >>> 'freedom' in this country. >> That horse left the barn a long time ago. > > Sure, things are bad but they haven't yet reached the stage where your > movements are restricted. Just make sure you don't make any unexpected credit card payments though http://www.shns.com/shns/g_index2.cfm?action=detail&pk=RAISEALARM-02-28-06 From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Thu Mar 9 15:30:48 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Thu Mar 9 10:35:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 73% Increase !! References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in news:duphai$2f3$1@news.spamcop.net: > They're going to be the same people who are jobless already because of > mergers and cutbacks Up here we were talking the other day about how hard it is to NOT find a job around here. There's so much available in the "oil patch", making good money that even McDonald's is hiring at $10 to $11 dollars an hour to start. Seems very crazy to me and somewhere, something has to crack. A lot of the local businesses (Mom & Pop type) are suffering because they cannot afford to pay the higher rates. From khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com Thu Mar 9 15:31:51 2006 From: khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Thu Mar 9 10:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Quotes of the Day - Beverly LaHaya (Concerned Women for America) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Spamvireslayer" wrote in > news:dupco4$vc2$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> She's so open minded too: >> http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=3151 >> Mrs. LaHaye warned her members that homosexuals "want their depraved >> 'values' to become our children's values. Homosexuals expect society >> to embrace their immoral way of life. Worse yet, they are looking for >> new recruits!" (CWA direct mail, 5/92) > > Not to mention downright stupid. New recruits? What the hell is she trying > to say here, that you can 'convert' someone into homosexuality? Silly cow. Oh my, you are so naive about the ways of the homosexual army. Are you sure you are not already infected? I've heard that just watching the Oscars can be enough, especially if you enjoyed the fashion show before hand. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 10:34:02 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Mar 9 10:40:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 73% Increase !! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dupcvs$vem$1@news.spamcop.net... > Thanks to the wonders of deregulation of electricity our electric bills are > going to go up a whopping 73% this July. Looks like they're doing us a favor here....maybe. http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/03082006/news/91427.htm The state Public Utilities Commission has signed onto a regional electricity price settlement that regulators estimate will save Granite State consumers $100 million through 2010. The states of Connecticut, Rhode Island, Vermont and New Hampshire reached the agreement Monday, the day set by an administrative law judge to come up with an alternative plan to Locational Installed Capacity, or LICAP, which was first proposed in June 2005. Thomas Frantz, the electric division director of the New Hampshire PUC, said rates for the new agreement will go into effect Dec. 1. He said the residential and commercial customers will see increases between 2 percent and 9 percent depending on the electricity provider. Frantz said these increases are "substantially less," around 40 percent lower, than those originally proposed last year. "There was too much money being given to (power) generators with no guarantee that there would be new generating capacity built," Frantz said. The current system is a stepping stone to a fully deregulated market, Not everyone was happy with the settlement. Massachusetts Attorney General Tom Reilly, who is also a candidate for governor, called the proposa* nothing more than a $5 billion bailout for generators." Maine utility regulators last month withdrew from settlement talks for a proposed electric rate plan for New England, saying they cannot accept increases that would give energy companies an unjustified windfall. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 10:37:09 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Mar 9 10:40:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 73% Increase !! References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9781498DD8839spamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... > > could hit the housing market, this may be your opportunity to move up the > ladder! Why the hell would he want to do that? Bigger mortgage, bigger electric bills, dodgy future at the company? Sock it away, I say, I think rainy days are not too far off. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 10:39:34 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Mar 9 10:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: comcast bastards! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dupcd5$v0b$1@news.spamcop.net... > > What for? Real life poontang is good enough for me! How revolting that you even use that expression......bleh. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 10:40:28 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Mar 9 10:45:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: comcast bastards! References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns978148A21F14Fspamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... > "indigo" wrote in > > are your walls that thin?! (and what do you need the volume on for anyway? > LOL) To drown out the wanking sounds? From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 10:46:41 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Mar 9 10:50:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Quotes of the Day - Beverly LaHaya (Concerned Women for America) References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:ccu5e3-fej.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > Not to mention downright stupid. New recruits? What the hell is she trying > > to say here, that you can 'convert' someone into homosexuality? Silly cow. > > Oh my, you are so naive about the ways of the homosexual army. Are you > sure you are not already infected? I've heard that just watching the > Oscars can be enough, especially if you enjoyed the fashion show before > hand. That sort of goes along with their belief that homosexuality is a choice and not something you are born being. The weak (i.e. unGodly heathens) can be swayed....... From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 10:47:28 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Mar 9 10:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 73% Increase !! References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns9781569E49938innewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... > Up here we were talking the other day about how hard it is to NOT find a > job around here. > There's so much available in the "oil patch", making good money that even > McDonald's is hiring at $10 to $11 dollars an hour to start. Seems very > crazy to me and somewhere, something has to crack. A lot of the local > businesses (Mom & Pop type) are suffering because they cannot afford to pay > the higher rates. Why wouldn't the Mom and Pop be profiting from this oil patch boom as well? From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 10:49:00 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Mar 9 10:55:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: look no hands References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns97814951ADA6Cspamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... > "Spamvireslayer" wrote in > news:dupcu4$vdc$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > Well, what do you expect from someone who lives in a town called > > "MOLD"? > > Nice town actually, set amid beautiful mountains. And that's not how you > spell mould as in mouldy! Um no, dearie, it's spelled MOLD. Green, fuzzy black stuff that makes you sneeze, or blue stuff that makes your cheese tangy, mold mold mold..... From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 10:42:32 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Mar 9 10:55:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Quotes of the Day - Beverly LaHaya (Concerned Women for America) References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns978148F35C281spamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... | "Spamvireslayer" wrote in | news:dupco4$vc2$1@news.spamcop.net: | | > She's so open minded too: | > http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=3151 | > Mrs. LaHaye warned her members that homosexuals "want their depraved | > 'values' to become our children's values. Homosexuals expect society | > to embrace their immoral way of life. Worse yet, they are looking for | > new recruits!" (CWA direct mail, 5/92) | > | > | > | | Not to mention downright stupid. New recruits? What the hell is she trying | to say here, that you can 'convert' someone into homosexuality? Silly cow. In her world you can convert folk to the faith ... and by extension. It's interesting that the majority of those who are homophobic do not have much knowledge of homosexuals. Most telling is that in families who do have member who are outed homosexuals there is more understanding and tolerance. Think about the VP he is vocal on most all issues of the Neo-cons but very very quiet on the issue of gay marriage etc. From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Thu Mar 9 16:09:13 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Thu Mar 9 11:10:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 73% Increase !! References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in news:dupirg$3cm$1@news.spamcop.net: > > "JohnL" wrote in message > news:Xns9781569E49938innewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... >> Up here we were talking the other day about how hard it is to NOT >> find a job around here. >> There's so much available in the "oil patch", making good money that >> even McDonald's is hiring at $10 to $11 dollars an hour to start. >> Seems very crazy to me and somewhere, something has to crack. A lot >> of the local businesses (Mom & Pop type) are suffering because they >> cannot afford to pay the higher rates. > > Why wouldn't the Mom and Pop be profiting from this oil patch boom as > well? > > Well, if they are near where the wells are, they would. But in most small towns, it's business as usual, other than not having enough workers in the lower ranges. For a lot of the businesses, there is no extra customers, extra money. Local people are still buying the same amounts, etc., but due to having to pay higher wages, their (local business) costs are shooting up. If they try to pass the extra costs on, then the local people suffer, which makes them buy less, which again hurts the local businesses..... and on and on.... From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 11:11:07 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Mar 9 11:25:14 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: comcast bastards! References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" | > | > What for? Real life poontang is good enough for me! | | How revolting that you even use that expression......bleh. A rose by anyother name ... From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 11:17:23 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Mar 9 11:25:25 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: ain't wasting any time are they? References: <440E39A6.E6DA2A7C@spamcop.net> Message-ID: "David Dean" | > And someone (anti?) video tapes the visit and drops a nickel to the DA in | > the home state? | > | > DA gets a warrent and the women must submit to a medical exam? | | I think they'd need more than that. The license plate, or something | to tie to video to the person. Anonymous tips are quite often attempts | to harass. Anti's are doing the tag and video bit as it is. There's talk about local web sites showing the videos. From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Thu Mar 9 16:34:06 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Thu Mar 9 11:35:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 73% Increase !! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Thanks to the wonders of deregulation of electricity our electric bills are > going to go up a whopping 73% this July. The de-reg bill was written six > years ago when natty gas and coal were cheap and Enron was touting the cost > savings available from free-market energy (and we know how that turned out > in CA). And the folks in charge were so concerned about the impact that they > wrote a bill to allow a slower 3-year phase in of the increase, but you have > to pay 5% interest on what you should have payed. Oh, and the real kicker? > You have to OPT OUT of the rate phase in! Everyone is automatically enrolled > in it! The bastards......electric bills are expected to go up nearly > $800/year on average, I shudder to think how many folks living on the edge > are going to go under when this happens. > > More the fool I was for moving to Texas without thinking about utility bills as such. But I remember when we moved into our new build house in April 2001. Things were busy, didn't take much note of May's bills, but June and July, the electricity bill was over $500 each month !! I didn't pay $500 for a whole years worth of Electricity in the UK before that. Hmm. Twin Air conditioning units, temperatures in the 100. They soon got set to 80+ deg. What was worse though was going on vacation for a week and me thinking to save money, I'll switch off the air con. Bad Move. Came back late evening. The house was an oven. The ceilings had expanded and were bowing and popping out in places, inside temp was over the 100'. All the surfaces were hot to touch, nice and warm. Took three days with the air con going 24/7 to get the temperature down. Sure did miss my UK Brick Built Thermally insulated, double glazed house when that happened. Didn't turn it off again after that. (Well apart from after the tornado/huge thunderstorm went through and spot welded every alarm contact on my windows and blew an inch wide hole in the control boards of the air con units in the loft). Sure I miss, Texas, but I don't miss my electricity bills and the bloody storms. And the electric company that ran Texas supplies in Fort Worth, actually owned the UK company I am paying now. (as another coincidence). And our bills are scheduled to increase in the UK by similar amounts to the US. (Hence all the talk about building new Nuclear Power Stations in the UK right now). (They are even saying that the 2012 Olympics could suffer from huge black/brown outs because we won't have the capacity to support the infrastructure in 2012 if we don't act now). And this is despite British Gas (or the parent company), reporting profits of just under $8 Billion USD), they still claim our bills need to rise by over 70% in the next few years. Time to invest in Utilities again methinks. Chris From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 11:55:50 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Mar 9 12:00:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 73% Increase !! References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > could hit the housing market, this may be your opportunity to move up > the ladder! Oh yeah, that's a great idea. Let's raise my air conditioning bills from what will probably be $200/mo to $500/mo by moving into a big house! Not! From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 11:57:02 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Mar 9 12:00:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 73% Increase !! References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message > news:Xns9781498DD8839spamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... > > > > could hit the housing market, this may be your opportunity to move > > up the ladder! > > Why the hell would he want to do that? Bigger mortgage, bigger > electric bills, dodgy future at the company? Sock it away, I say, I > think rainy days are not too far off. I agree, I've got half a mind to dump some of my stocks and go to cash but I'm down in most of them right now so I'd lose a bunch of money. I'm really worried about our economy crashing in the next 3-6 months. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 12:01:56 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Mar 9 12:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: comcast bastards! References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" wrote in > news:dupcd5$v0b$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > > What for? Real life poontang is good enough for me! And the though > > of watching porn in my living room (that's where the DVD player is), > > where my neighbors could hear it, is kinda....icky, you know? ;-) > > > are your walls that thin?! (and what do you need the volume on for > anyway? LOL) Well, I do play the TV pretty loud.... From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 12:02:32 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Mar 9 12:05:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: comcast bastards! References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:dupcd5$v0b$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > What for? Real life poontang is good enough for me! > > How revolting that you even use that expression......bleh. I was in a hurry, first thing to pop into my mind. Sorry! From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 12:05:26 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Mar 9 12:10:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Re-roh.....more bad news References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "indigo" wrote: > > > No way in hell anyone would ever get away with using nukes again, > > ever. We still have plenty of airpower without needing to resort to > > nukes (even the shrub ain't that stupid). > > What is deterring them? They're not afraid of the UN. Who would > stop trading with us? I suspect that it would inflame terrorists, and > have repercussions of more terrorist attacks, That's what worries me and SHOULD worry the crap out of the administration. Can you imagine the world muslim reaction if we nuke Iran? Every Western democracy would feel the wrath of vengance. Recall how many NON-Danish embassies that were sacked in the cartoon fiasco? What do you think would happen if we nuke? They'll burn everything to the ground all around the globe! From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Thu Mar 9 17:44:53 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Thu Mar 9 12:50:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dupc75$uup$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > P.S. You're not posting in plain text.....'tis an ugly font that shows up > on > my screen Umm.... yup I am..... From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Thu Mar 9 18:00:21 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Thu Mar 9 13:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Here's what happens when you obey the law. References: Message-ID: "Chris Wright" wrote in message news:duoosc$jm6$1@news.spamcop.net... > Porpoise wrote: >> >> >> They didn't have to take up all the lanes in order to drive at >> 55mph.............. Effectively, they were not just driving at 55, by >> taking up all the lanes, they were effectively trying to act as enforcers >> by trying to prevent other people passing them - which I suspect might >> hold up as a citation. > > So you are asking one of them to break the law to speed up and go past? > Why do they have to speed up and go past? It's quite easy to drop back and tuck in.......... All the vehicles doing 55 could stay in the same lane (which is what they're supposed to do). From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Thu Mar 9 18:28:37 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Thu Mar 9 13:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Here's what happens when you obey the law. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > > "Chris Wright" wrote in message > news:duoosc$jm6$1@news.spamcop.net... >> Porpoise wrote: >>> >>> >>> They didn't have to take up all the lanes in order to drive at >>> 55mph.............. Effectively, they were not just driving at 55, by >>> taking up all the lanes, they were effectively trying to act as >>> enforcers by trying to prevent other people passing them - which I >>> suspect might hold up as a citation. >> >> So you are asking one of them to break the law to speed up and go past? >> > > Why do they have to speed up and go past? It's quite easy to drop back > and tuck in.......... All the vehicles doing 55 could stay in the same > lane (which is what they're supposed to do). But why should they have to slow down? They are going as fast as they are legally allowed to do. No one should be able to overtake them because in order to do so, they would be breaking the law. So now you want them to slow down, and let others pass? Why should they alter 'their' perfectly legal driving style to help someone break the law. (I am playing devils advocate here - Personally, it would drive me nuts too, but then I wouldn't get upset over it because that would just make me the offender. I avoid road rage now that I am older and bolder, but not to say I wasn't less tolerant in my 'yoof'). I rate it akin to those in the UK that oppose the use of Speed Cameras. So many people claim them to be revenue generators and put all over the place to do just that, and not to catch people speeding. But in that case, if no one speeds, there would be no revenue generated. You can't moan at being caught by a speed camera, because you have to have been breaking the law to have done so. What happens to them money is irrelevant, if you didn't break the law, you wouldn't have had to pay. It most states, although not directly labeled as such, tailgating is illegal. In order to approach someone to over take them whilst they were doing 55mph, I would have to exceed the speed limit. If I maintained my speed at the 55mph limit, and maintained my safe distance from the car in front, what would be the problem? I can't legally go any faster, so what gives me the right to get up behind the 55mph drivers and get annoyed with them for not moving out the way. Just think of the savings in Gas and to the environment. If they want to speed, then go to a track day. If they want to get somewhere quicker, leave earlier. If you really want to speed, go to Germany and find an autobahn. (But have a look at some of the crash photographs first). Don't get a 5L V8 that coasts at 80mph with the foot off the gas and the engine at idle. I have a real problem with 'aiding and abetting' someone to break the law. So why should I slow down to let someone past, so they can break the law. Chris From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Thu Mar 9 18:32:20 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Thu Mar 9 13:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 73% Increase !! References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote in news:Xns978169804A749spamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61: > So the local folks aren't earning more too? No, that's why it's hard to keep local help, many/most of the "able" are headed to the oil fields. I talk to the owner of the local convience store down the block from my home and she hasn't had a day off for over three months because she can't hire enough people to cover. She's also paying above minimum ware, but she can't compete with the major chains. McDonalds and Tim Hortons, to name a couple, are offering free medical coverage, pension plans, vacations, to their employees, and even let them pick their own shifts to work. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 13:39:43 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Mar 9 13:45:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Texans must all be corrupt References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9781668D31256spamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... > "Heidi" wrote in news:duo719$9ie$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > Too much Kool Aid, you saw what happened to Harry... > > harry? Whittington, wasn't his name Harry, you know the guy Cheney merely "peppered" with birdshot, who then apologized to Cheney for putting *him* through the ordeal? He had some serious Kool Aid in his IV. From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Thu Mar 9 18:15:30 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Thu Mar 9 13:50:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Texans must all be corrupt References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns9781668D31256spamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... > > harry? No. Harry! From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 13:45:59 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Mar 9 13:50:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 73% Increase !! References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns978168F4AEF39spamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... > > Well come to think of it, if it does hit the housing market it'd also > affect his house so he'd gain nothing. Good reason not to sell if he's going to lose some of the value of it due to the market crashing. > > A first time buyer, on the other hand, should take advantage of the > opportunity if it presents itself. You're always better off putting money > into your own property than someone else's, no matter what the skies are > doing. But if he already owns his house, that's not a problem, and if the value of it goes down, then he can sit tight and wait for things to improve rather than dump it at a ridiculously low price and buy something bigger, which will cost more to run in the end anyway. My "Powerball" (i.e. Dream House) has just been reduced in price after being on the market for a few months, down from 1.3 mill to 995. Oh, for that winning ticket....... From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 13:56:51 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Mar 9 14:00:16 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: look no hands References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns97816A2543CE9spamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... > > In English, it's MOULD. Which language are we speaking again hmm? Remind > me? Is it American or is it English? ;o) And which country are we living in, then, America or England? :> From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Thu Mar 9 19:02:02 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Thu Mar 9 14:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 73% Increase !! References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns97816B647D40Bspamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... > Chris Wright wrote in > news:dupldm$57q$1@news.spamcop.net: > this is despite British Gas (or the parent company), reporting >> profits of just under $8 Billion USD), they still claim our bills need >> to rise by over 70% in the next few years. > > It's about greed methinks. It invariably is..... From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 14:00:39 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Mar 9 14:05:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Texans must all be corrupt References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns97816F41F1A11spamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... > > > Ohh, didn't know his name was Harry. Tis, here's an interesting perspective: http://www.bayoubuzz.com/articles.aspx?aid=6438 From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Thu Mar 9 19:04:10 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Thu Mar 9 14:05:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: look no hands References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns97816A2543CE9spamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... > "Spamvireslayer" wrote in > news:dupiuc$3hh$1@news.spamcop.net: > > >> Um no, dearie, it's spelled MOLD. Green, fuzzy black stuff that makes >> you sneeze, or blue stuff that makes your cheese tangy, mold mold >> mold..... >> >> >> > > In English, it's MOULD. Which language are we speaking again hmm? Remind > me? Is it American or is it English? ;o) Don't start that one again!!!! { ;-)] From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Thu Mar 9 19:04:56 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Thu Mar 9 14:05:15 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 73% Increase !! References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote in news:Xns97816D31DD4A4spamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61: > It sounds like your town may be in danger of dying. How far away is > the oil field? Can people not live in your town and work in oil? If > they can then there should also be spending money in the town. I'd > think also that there are some people who'd not be able to get jobs > related to the oil industry and they might take jobs at a store, > albeit earning more than they might otherwise! Oh, no danger of the town dying, there are a few large industrial outfits in town and Purina just built a warehouse to supply Western Canada with pet food. Also, there's new construction for commercial and industrial going on all over on the outskirts of town. The town is doing great, it's just the small businesses that are suffering. From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Mar 9 11:15:54 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Mar 9 14:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Here's what happens when you obey the law. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chris Wright wrote: > > Just think of the savings in Gas and to the environment. The gas savings are based on 1970's era vehicles (when the limit was first posted). Modern vehicles are more efficient at higher speeds. > If they want to speed, then go to a track day. By "speed" do you mean exceeding the limit by 10 - 20mph, or flooring it? > If you really want to speed, go to Germany and find an autobahn. (But > have a look at some of the crash photographs first). Actually the Autobahn is much safer than American highways. The roads are better constructed and maintained, the cars are better build, and the drivers are better trained. > Don't get a 5L V8 that coasts at 80mph with the foot off the gas and the > engine at idle. Coasting at 80mph will save quite a bit of fuel...defeating the whole purpose of a speed limit. :-P > > > I have a real problem with 'aiding and abetting' someone to break the > law. So why should I slow down to let someone past, so they can break > the law. > Well the issue seems to be that if you obey the speed limit, you break the law. If you exceed the speed limit, you break the law. Personally, I'd like to see them raise the limit to 75 and strictly enforce it. That'd make things much simpler. From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Mar 9 11:20:55 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Mar 9 14:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] YESSS!!!! Message-ID: CNN Newsbreak - -- Dubai-owned company has decided to transfer fully the U.S. operation of P&O ports in North America to a U.S. entity, according to Sen. John Warner. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 14:44:51 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Mar 9 14:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: YESSS!!!! References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:dupv5m$cbk$2@news.spamcop.net... > CNN Newsbreak - > > -- Dubai-owned company has decided to transfer fully the U.S. operation of > P&O ports in North America to a U.S. entity, according to Sen. John Warner. The Washington Post says: "The United Arab Emirates company that was attempting to take over management operations at six U.S. ports announced today that it will divest itself of all American interests." That sounds a bit like 'fuck you, we're taking our money out of your economy', so I wonder what the backlash is towards all of us "American Bigots"? From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Mar 9 11:49:24 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Mar 9 14:50:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: YESSS!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:dupv5m$cbk$2@news.spamcop.net... > >>CNN Newsbreak - >> >>-- Dubai-owned company has decided to transfer fully the U.S. operation of >>P&O ports in North America to a U.S. entity, according to Sen. John Warner. > > > The Washington Post says: > "The United Arab Emirates company that was attempting to take over management > operations at six U.S. ports announced today that it will divest itself of all > American interests." > > That sounds a bit like 'fuck you, we're taking our money out of your economy', so I > wonder what the backlash is towards all of us "American Bigots"? > > I'd hardly call more security "backlash". From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 14:54:17 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Mar 9 15:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: YESSS!!!! References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:duq0r3$cbk$4@news.spamcop.net... > > I'd hardly call more security "backlash". Who says there will be more security? We're not doing so great now, is there a plan to make it better? I think there is going to be some economic punishment, quite honestly, maybe in trade or oil, or in any of our holdings or businesses in the UAE - the company I work for has an office in Dubai, so what do you think might happen there? From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Mar 9 12:01:23 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Mar 9 15:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: YESSS!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: wrote: > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:duq0r3$cbk$4@news.spamcop.net... > >>I'd hardly call more security "backlash". > > > Who says there will be more security? We're not doing so great now, is there a plan > to make it better? > > I think there is going to be some economic punishment, quite honestly, maybe in trade > or oil, or in any of our holdings or businesses in the UAE - the company I work for > has an office in Dubai, so what do you think might happen there? > > I'm not saying security is good now. :) I'm just saying it'd be worse if UAE had control. From kenbrody at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 15:01:08 2006 From: kenbrody at spamcop.net (Kenneth Brody) Date: Thu Mar 9 15:05:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Truth in phishing Message-ID: <44108984.50076A54@spamcop.net> Spotted in a Citibank phish: (HTML brackets removed for your safety.) a id="SPOOF" href="http://citibusinessonline.da-us.citibank.com.lawases.com" -- +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ | Kenneth J. Brody | www.hvcomputer.com | | | kenbrody/at\spamcop.net | www.fptech.com | #include | +-------------------------+--------------------+-----------------------------+ Don't e-mail me at: From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 15:08:43 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Mar 9 15:10:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: Steven Maesslein wrote: > On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:56:52 -0500, indigo coughed into spamcop.social > and left this in : > > > P.S. You're not posting in plain text.....'tis an ugly font that > > shows up on my screen > > It *is* plain text. > > It's *your* newsreader reacting strangely to the charset > specification. > > Look at the message source next time :) I did, and I found something weird, forget what it was. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 15:09:11 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Mar 9 15:10:20 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" wrote in > news:dupc75$uup$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > P.S. You're not posting in plain text.....'tis an ugly font that > > shows up on my screen > > > > > > > > looks ok to me... which reminds me, there was some sort of attachment > on one of your posts yesterday Yeah, dunno how that happened, it was from the C&P of one of those articles. From redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com Thu Mar 9 20:09:56 2006 From: redford_stone at INVERSE_OF_COLDmail.com (Redstone) Date: Thu Mar 9 15:10:24 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] [MEDIA] No-hands woman driver is all made up Message-ID: A PART-TIME bikini model was fined £200 yesterday after she was caught using both hands to apply make-up while driving. http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22749-2076681,00.html Naughty Britgal putting on makeup with both hands on the makeup applicators rather than the steering wheel. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 15:10:38 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Mar 9 15:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:dupc75$uup$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > > > > P.S. You're not posting in plain text.....'tis an ugly font that > > shows up on > > my screen > > Umm.... yup I am..... So what in here is making the encoding show up as "Thai" instead of western european? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-874"; reply-type=original From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 15:12:58 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Mar 9 15:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:duq23u$ekg$1@news.spamcop.net... > > So what in here is making the encoding show up as "Thai" instead of western > european? > > Content-Type: text/plain; > format=flowed; > charset="windows-874"; > reply-type=original > He has the character set chosen incorrectly? From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 15:13:45 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Mar 9 15:20:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: YESSS!!!! References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:duq1hi$cbk$5@news.spamcop.net... > I'm not saying security is good now. :) I'm just saying it'd be worse if > UAE had control. I don't know about that - they seem infinitely more efficient at some things than we are. From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Mar 9 12:18:08 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Mar 9 15:20:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: YESSS!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:duq1hi$cbk$5@news.spamcop.net... > >>I'm not saying security is good now. :) I'm just saying it'd be worse if >>UAE had control. > > > I don't know about that - they seem infinitely more efficient at some things than we > are. > > Funding terrorists included. :-P From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 15:20:24 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Mar 9 15:25:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 73% Increase !! References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" wrote in > news:dupmmm$62t$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > Oh yeah, that's a great idea. Let's raise my air conditioning bills > > from what will probably be $200/mo to $500/mo by moving into a big > > house! Not! > > > So don't whine about your small house any more then! I don't whine about my house in general, just the bathtub! ;-) From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 15:21:03 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Mar 9 15:25:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: comcast bastards! References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "indigo" wrote in > news:dupn24$6c4$1@news.spamcop.net: > > > > Well, I do play the TV pretty loud.... > > > > > Why? Is the hearing loss happening already? I'm permanently deaf in my right ear since I was 3 yo. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 15:21:48 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Mar 9 15:25:15 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Re-roh.....more bad news References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: Of course they could use small nukes and claim that any > radiation was because they'd bombed radioactive material on the > ground. That wouldn't work, the EMP would be too noticeable. From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Mar 9 12:22:57 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Mar 9 15:25:19 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Re-roh.....more bad news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Of course they could use small nukes and claim that any > >>radiation was because they'd bombed radioactive material on the >>ground. > > > That wouldn't work, the EMP would be too noticeable. > > Don't forget the mushroom cloud. :) From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 15:24:04 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Mar 9 15:25:22 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: YESSS!!!! References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > > > > > > I'd hardly call more security "backlash". Funny thing is....this whole mess really had nothing to do with security.....political bandstanding is what is was in reality. From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 15:24:37 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Mar 9 15:25:25 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: YESSS!!!! References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "Borgholio" wrote in message > news:duq0r3$cbk$4@news.spamcop.net... > > > > I'd hardly call more security "backlash". > > Who says there will be more security? We're not doing so great now, > is there a plan to make it better? > > I think there is going to be some economic punishment, quite > honestly, maybe in trade or oil, or in any of our holdings or > businesses in the UAE - the company I work for has an office in > Dubai, so what do you think might happen there? Hey, you guys going to pick up any work with the nuke power plants Bush promised India? From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Thu Mar 9 20:25:22 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Thu Mar 9 15:30:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 73% Increase !! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Chris Wright wrote in > news:dupldm$57q$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> More the fool I was for moving to Texas without thinking about utility >> bills as such. > > What were you doing in TX and why did you leave? I was working for Motorola for my sins. I survived 3 rounds of layoffs before I finally got cut. Since they hadn't been bothered to sort out my visa (I was on an H1-B, but Motorola were meant to be applying for my green card as I was not an expat transfer, but a full time transfer. I soon learned why the phrase "I wasn't born in Texas, but I got here as soon as I could" came from. We (wife and 3 kids included) loved the place, loved the people, loved the country. And, it is our aim to move back as soon as we can. (Let me just say, Water skiing in Oklahoma, back problems, 360degree spinal fusion L5/S1, $200,000 plus of medical bills in 3 years). Once I am sure I won't have to go near a hospital again, I'll think about coming back... Be cheaper for me that way !!!! > >> What was worse though was going on vacation for a week and me thinking >> to save money, I'll switch off the air con. >> Bad Move. >> Came back late evening. The house was an oven. The ceilings had >> expanded and were bowing and popping out in places, inside temp was >> over the 100'. All the surfaces were hot to touch, nice and warm. >> Took three days with the air con going 24/7 to get the temperature >> down. > > Did you have all the windows closed too? Maybe if you'd left a couple open > it wouldn't have been so bad. > > this is despite British Gas (or the parent company), reporting >> profits of just under $8 Billion USD), they still claim our bills need >> to rise by over 70% in the next few years. > > It's about greed methinks. Chris From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 15:25:32 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Mar 9 15:30:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Re-roh.....more bad news References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > indigo wrote: > > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > > Of course they could use small nukes and claim that any > > > >>radiation was because they'd bombed radioactive material on the > >>ground. > > > > > > That wouldn't work, the EMP would be too noticeable. > > > > > > Don't forget the mushroom cloud. :) Fuel-air bombs make mushroom clouds...... From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Mar 9 12:27:07 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Mar 9 15:30:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Re-roh.....more bad news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Borgholio wrote: > >>indigo wrote: >> >>>Sylvesterthekat wrote: >>> Of course they could use small nukes and claim that any >>> >>> >>>>radiation was because they'd bombed radioactive material on the >>>>ground. >>> >>> >>>That wouldn't work, the EMP would be too noticeable. >>> >>> >> >>Don't forget the mushroom cloud. :) > > > Fuel-air bombs make mushroom clouds...... > > Not nearly as big as nuke. From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Thu Mar 9 20:27:56 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Thu Mar 9 15:30:15 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: [MEDIA] No-hands woman driver is all made up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Redstone wrote: > A PART-TIME bikini model was fined ?200 yesterday after she was caught > using both hands to apply make-up while driving. > > > http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22749-2076681,00.html > > > Naughty Britgal putting on makeup with both hands on the makeup applicators > rather than the steering wheel. > See "Look No Hands" thread above... From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 15:30:48 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Mar 9 15:35:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 73% Increase !! References: Message-ID: Chris Wright wrote: > > I soon learned why the phrase "I wasn't born in Texas, but I got here > as soon as I could" came from. We (wife and 3 kids included) loved > the place, loved the people, loved the country. > You love Texas? Ugh...my second most hated state after Florida! From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 15:31:24 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Mar 9 15:35:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Re-roh.....more bad news References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > indigo wrote: > > Borgholio wrote: > > > >>indigo wrote: > >> > >>>Sylvesterthekat wrote: > >>> Of course they could use small nukes and claim that any > >>> > >>> > >>>>radiation was because they'd bombed radioactive material on the > >>>>ground. > >>> > >>> > >>>That wouldn't work, the EMP would be too noticeable. > >>> > >>> > >> > >>Don't forget the mushroom cloud. :) > > > > > > Fuel-air bombs make mushroom clouds...... > > > > > > Not nearly as big as nuke. Dunno how big a 'shroom cloud a tactical nuke would make...... From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Mar 9 12:33:26 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Mar 9 15:35:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Re-roh.....more bad news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Borgholio wrote: > >>indigo wrote: >> >>>Borgholio wrote: >>> >>> >>>>indigo wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Sylvesterthekat wrote: >>>>>Of course they could use small nukes and claim that any >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>radiation was because they'd bombed radioactive material on the >>>>>>ground. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>That wouldn't work, the EMP would be too noticeable. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>Don't forget the mushroom cloud. :) >>> >>> >>>Fuel-air bombs make mushroom clouds...... >>> >>> >> >>Not nearly as big as nuke. > > > Dunno how big a 'shroom cloud a tactical nuke would make...... > > "Atomic Annie" made one a few thousand feet high with a nuke the size of an artillery shell. From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 15:33:58 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Eponym) Date: Thu Mar 9 15:35:16 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: YESSS!!!! References: Message-ID: > > I'm just saying it'd be worse if UAE had control. How so? It isn't like we were going to make that company do the work that the DHS is SUPPOSED to be doing. And we've done a nice job screwing the British company that owns the port facilities now by reducing the number of prospective buyers. Kind of like your local gov't saying who can and can not buy your house, and very similar to the SCOTUS decision concerning eminent domain. Maybe it is just as well that they're pulling out their investments in the US. We can probably look forward to other foreign companies to start doing the same. Its way too risky to invest here with the business climate and government we have lately, especially one that has increasingly shown total disrespect for any concept related to private property. Next thing you know Congress will be nationalizing industries like some third world and communist countries USED to do. From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Thu Mar 9 20:42:22 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Thu Mar 9 15:45:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Here's what happens when you obey the law. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Chris Wright wrote in news:dups4d$ak7$1 > @news.spamcop.net: > > >> I have a real problem with 'aiding and abetting' someone to break the >> law. So why should I slow down to let someone past, so they can break >> the law. > > Because it's probably safer for you to let them go by. That is true, but, the OP was about whether the people should be prosecuted for holding the traffic up, not whether it was safe. Now all I am doing is pampering to the person behind me who is attempting to break the law. (How long before the police have cameras on the back of every car that takes a picture of the number plate behind when they get too close. Of course, it will be to prevent speeding, not to earn revenue ;) ) > > 55 on a big highway like that is too slow. There's a road going into > London, I think the A4, that was one of the ones first infested with > cameras. It's a very wide open road after you come off the motorway and you > could easily do 60 there without endangering anyone but the speed limit was > I think 40 last time I drove down there. There's no real reason for it to > be that low, other than to catch people speeding. You mean on blackspots? Granted, some places have an disproportionate amount of cameras, but even if they where there because a lot of people speed there and it generates a lot of money, thats exactly the point. If they didn't break the law, and didn't speed, it wouldn't generate diddly squat. > > Often speed cameras in the UK are positioned right at the point of > apparently arbitrary speed zone changes (where it goes from no limit to 30 > for instance). That's too big of a jump and they position the cameras too > close to the zone changes. But you are still breaking the law. If there is a sign that says 40mph after a zone that is doing 60mph, and you don't know that you should be doing 40mph when you get to the sign, then you shouldn't be on the road. Typically most people will assume that they only have to slow down when they reach the 40mph... So again, if they didn't break the law at that point, it wouldn't be a problem. (And I have heard of the 30-60-30-60-30-60 roads in the UK, we have one not too far from here (Am in Bramley, between Reading and Basingstoke). Crazy road. Cameras at some daft points. Either make the whole road 30, or 60. There is even one little village on the A340 where a senior copper lives and every weekend, he has his guys sit with a camera in a van almost hidden at the start of the 30 after a 60. It is the only place I have ever traveled in the UK where people are doing 25 in a 30 zone. They nick that many... > > There's definitely a need for cameras in places where there are lots of > pedestrians, children or cross traffic in order to discourage those idiots > who might exceed 30mph. Whilst I was in the Royal Navy, I did reach 9 pts on my license for SP30 :( (except the coppers were nice on 2 of the occasions and SP30 was a let off). Funnily enough, after I left the mob, worked in Civvy street for a while and got myself a brand spanking shiny new Honda VTR 1000FX (160BHP 155mph) Super Sports bike, I calmed my driving down quite a lot. (Didn't stop me from speeding, but I was more conscious of where I did it and when). If I get (got) knicked by a speed camera, I really didn't have an excuse for whinging. I was guilty your honour. Some of the speed limits in Texas were pretty hard for me to handle. I have to admit on most interstate or state wide trips, my cruise control was set to no less than 90. (But then we were the only car on the road for hours at a time, and I didn't do it in built up areas). Chris From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 15:47:29 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Mar 9 15:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: YESSS!!!! References: Message-ID: Eponym wrote: > Next thing you know Congress will be nationalizing > industries like some third world and communist countries USED to do. Funny that you mention that. I read in the paper that some legislation may be coming that would prevent foreign ownership of critical infrastructure like power plants, refineries, etc. Sounds just like the good ol' USSR, don't it? From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 15:50:05 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Mar 9 15:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Here's what happens when you obey the law. References: Message-ID: Chris Wright wrote: > Funnily enough, after I left the mob, worked in Civvy street for a > while and got myself a brand spanking shiny new Honda VTR 1000FX > (160BHP 155mph) Super Sports bike, I calmed my driving down quite a > lot. (Didn't stop me from speeding, but I was more conscious of where > I did it and when). Wanna know what's produced a huge change in my driving style? An electronic instant MPG gauge and the average tank MPG reading. I stomp the gas much, much less since I bought my new car, you can just see that expensive gas dollar signs ringing up as the road flies beneath you! From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Thu Mar 9 20:59:55 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Thu Mar 9 16:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Here's what happens when you obey the law. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > Chris Wright wrote: > >> >> Just think of the savings in Gas and to the environment. > > The gas savings are based on 1970's era vehicles (when the limit was > first posted). Modern vehicles are more efficient at higher speeds. See below. > >> If they want to speed, then go to a track day. > > By "speed" do you mean exceeding the limit by 10 - 20mph, or flooring it? It wouldn't be so bad if people just exceeded by 10-20. In three years in the US, I never saw anyway as mad as the people over here in the UK. 100mph in fog, zero vis on the M4 / M25 is nothing out of the ordinary over here. We have the unwritten rule in the UK of the Speed Limit = State Speed Limit + 10% + 3 MPH So on a motorway, that is where we get the 'unofficial' 80mph limit. 80 = 70 + 7 + 3 So in a 30 zone, you won't get a ticket unless you are doing 36mph. > >> If you really want to speed, go to Germany and find an autobahn. (But >> have a look at some of the crash photographs first). > > Actually the Autobahn is much safer than American highways. The roads > are better constructed and maintained, the cars are better build, and > the drivers are better trained. Not too sure about that entirely, but some places in the US are better and some worse. As for drivers, yeah right... To be fair, drivers around Fort Worth/Dallas where I lived where a damn site more courteous than anything I ever seen in the UK. Mind you, I was not going to have a go at the guy in the next truck unless I new what caliber he was carrying and if it was bigger than mine. I ain't going to argue with anyone carrying a gun. Much safer to be polite. (We should get 4 way stop signs in the UK. Most of us Brit drivers are so bloody ignorant, the road rage death rate would climb exponentially. Let someone else out at a junction, you must be joking. Brit guy driving a BMW !! Pah, when they get the new BMW it comes with a free "I own the road" certificate entitling the user to drive how they want. > >> Don't get a 5L V8 that coasts at 80mph with the foot off the gas and >> the engine at idle. > > Coasting at 80mph will save quite a bit of fuel...defeating the whole > purpose of a speed limit. :-P Thats what I tried to explain to the officer one day. He didn't but it :( ( I was doing 140 at the time) > >> >> >> I have a real problem with 'aiding and abetting' someone to break the >> law. So why should I slow down to let someone past, so they can break >> the law. >> > > Well the issue seems to be that if you obey the speed limit, you break > the law. If you exceed the speed limit, you break the law. Personally, > I'd like to see them raise the limit to 75 and strictly enforce it. > That'd make things much simpler. Yes Moder cars can go faster, and likewise you would think modern cars can stop quicker. Think better tires, better ABS (some ABS actually), better road surfaces, so much easier to stop the car from speed. Unfortunately, the common link in this is 'us' the driver. All these improvements give us a false sense of security and our reaction times are probably less, rather than better than they were 20 years ago. I think I would trust an F16 pilot tail gating me at 80mph more than I would Granny Joe in her 2006 Trans Am. But some speed limits are too low. I found it weird in the US that you had cars 4 x the size of ours, yet speed limits a lot lower than ours. You had great straight roads. Our main straight roads were built by the romans and most don't have tarmac on them still. Chris From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 15:59:07 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (Eponym) Date: Thu Mar 9 16:05:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: YESSS!!!! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:duq492$g1i$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Eponym wrote: >> Next thing you know Congress will be nationalizing >> industries like some third world and communist countries USED to do. > > Funny that you mention that. I read in the paper that some legislation may > be coming that would prevent foreign ownership of critical infrastructure > like power plants, refineries, etc. Sounds just like the good ol' USSR, > don't it? > Yeah...what a hoot. We even put up roadblocks to former or reforming communist countries like China (i.e., the recent UNOCAL brouhaha). If these damn things are really so important to the country, why isn't any American citizen buying them? Instead, Congress wants to FORCE everyone to buy them using our tax dollars. Now, lobbyist's have yet another way to bail out the current owners of a failing or poorly performing company...or another way to protect a monopoly. From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Thu Mar 9 21:06:20 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Thu Mar 9 16:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 73% Increase !! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Chris Wright wrote: >> I soon learned why the phrase "I wasn't born in Texas, but I got here >> as soon as I could" came from. We (wife and 3 kids included) loved >> the place, loved the people, loved the country. >> > You love Texas? Ugh...my second most hated state after Florida! > > Not from Oklahoma by any chance. I've been in quite a few places in the US for work over the years, and I would live ANYWHERE in the US rather than the UK if I had a choice. All depends where you live in the end I suppose, but we had a great neighborhood (actually, come to think of it, there were 3 British couples in our street, Canadian, Mexican (once removed), Brazilian, trench, Swedish, a few other US states and NO Texans). I am not anti-British, non-patriotic by any means. I did my 9years in the RN, I admire the monarchy etc etc etc. Just the UK is going down the pan very quickly, and I want my kids to have a better life than they will get here. Texas just happened to be where we spent 3 good years. Could have been anywhere in the US (ok, apart from Florida, and maybe New Orleans might not have been a good choice ;) ) Regards Chris From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 16:15:04 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Mar 9 16:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 73% Increase !! References: Message-ID: Chris Wright wrote: > indigo wrote: > > Chris Wright wrote: > >> I soon learned why the phrase "I wasn't born in Texas, but I got > >> here as soon as I could" came from. We (wife and 3 kids included) > >> loved the place, loved the people, loved the country. > >> > > You love Texas? Ugh...my second most hated state after Florida! > > > > > Not from Oklahoma by any chance. Nope. Born in PA now live in MD. I'll admit I've only been to the Houston area, but that's enough to have turned me off to the state. Too flat, dry, ugly, just like FL. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 16:17:32 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Mar 9 16:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Here's what happens when you obey the law. References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:duq4dt$g3o$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Wanna know what's produced a huge change in my driving style? An electronic > instant MPG gauge and the average tank MPG reading. I stomp the gas much, > much less since I bought my new car, you can just see that expensive gas > dollar signs ringing up as the road flies beneath you! I had that on the Trailblazer, oddly enough it NEVER changed, it was always 16.5 mpg........ From nobody at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 16:24:32 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Thu Mar 9 16:25:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Here's what happens when you obey the law. References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:duq4dt$g3o$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > Wanna know what's produced a huge change in my driving style? An > > electronic instant MPG gauge and the average tank MPG reading. I > > stomp the gas much, much less since I bought my new car, you can > > just see that expensive gas dollar signs ringing up as the road > > flies beneath you! > > I had that on the Trailblazer, oddly enough it NEVER changed, it was > always 16.5 mpg........ Ugh...and I'm not happy with my usual 21 mpg reading! My other (smaller) Acura used to get 24 mpg back and forth to work. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 16:49:28 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Mar 9 16:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: YESSS!!!! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:duq2u5$f6c$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Hey, you guys going to pick up any work with the nuke power plants Bush > promised India? Probably after they have an accident we will......although I don't know what the difference is, it seems like 75% of the people working over here in the nuclear plants are Indian. I just did a bunch of training certificates for a course we did, the two "anglo" names in the bunch stuck out like a sore thumb, the rest were unpronouncable! From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 17:01:22 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Thu Mar 9 17:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: YESSS!!!! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:duq2t4$f66$1@news.spamcop.net... > > Funny thing is....this whole mess really had nothing to do with > security.....political bandstanding is what is was in reality. It was out and out fear by the Republicans especially, with their midterms approaching, they did not want to be associated with his plan to give away our security to the UAE. From khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com Thu Mar 9 22:04:36 2006 From: khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Thu Mar 9 17:05:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Re-roh.....more bad news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > David Dean wrote in > news:ozchzhq02-1715F6.10160709032006@frylock.local: > >> What is deterring them? They're not afraid of the UN. Who would >> stop >> trading with us? I suspect that it would inflame terrorists, and have >> repercussions of more terrorist attacks, but I don't see anything that >> would hold back the neocons from using nukes. They're already >> experimenting with so called "micro-nukes" >> > I daresay the first thing they'll do is bomb the hell out of any sites that > are suspected to be enriching uranium (with conventional bombs). Of course > they could use small nukes and claim that any radiation was because they'd > bombed radioactive material on the ground. Fuel air explosives and some other things like that are not terribly different from nuclear arms in a lot of ways, but without the stigma. From khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com Thu Mar 9 22:14:31 2006 From: khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Thu Mar 9 17:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: look no hands In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sylvesterthekat wrote: > "Spamvireslayer" wrote in > news:dupiuc$3hh$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> Um no, dearie, it's spelled MOLD. Green, fuzzy black stuff that makes >> you sneeze, or blue stuff that makes your cheese tangy, mold mold >> mold..... > In English, it's MOULD. Which language are we speaking again hmm? Remind > me? Is it American or is it English? ;o) I thought Mold was pretty ok, what I saw of it. Just slightly south of Chester, right? (And spelled Mold, as far as I remember.) From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Mar 9 14:18:51 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Mar 9 17:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: YESSS!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was Borgholio ! > > >>Funding terrorists included. > > > Without any kind of proof of that, you are just slandering. And I don't > suppose that this proof is forthcoming, is it? > Doing a simple Google search shows that quite a bit of terrorist money passes through the nation. On the other hand, it also shows that they're taking several big steps to cut down on it. Good for them. From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Mar 9 14:19:52 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Mar 9 17:20:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Congress caves on wiretaps... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was David Dean ! > > >> >> >> So much for Congress getting a backbone and challenging the white >>house. > > > So, like, but, but, but. But Borg was just so thrilled about all that > they've been doing for us in terms of security! You mean it's just window- > dressing and fucking bullshit to appease the masses during an election > year? And he fell for that? Tsk tsk. Please point out where I actually said anything about believing anything the administration said about security. I think you're just talking out of your ass, as usual. From borgholio at storymind.com Thu Mar 9 14:30:20 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Thu Mar 9 17:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: YESSS!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was Borgholio ! > >>Charles wrote: >> >>>No way it was me! It was Borgholio ! >>> >>> >>>>Funding terrorists included. >>> >>>Without any kind of proof of that, you are just slandering. And I >>>don't suppose that this proof is forthcoming, is it? > > >>Doing a simple Google search shows that quite a bit of terrorist money >>passes through the nation. On the other hand, it also shows that >>they're taking several big steps to cut down on it. Good for them. > > > I don't see any results, here, from any source. And I'm not falling for it > - how could a friend of the shrub be a friend of terrror? Not that this is > funny, at all, but a friend of the shrub might have the brains of a > terrier. Oh, whatever. La la la. > > Anyway, it doesn't sound, at all, like your proof involves the gov't and > yet your accusation does. Again, why the yes? You don't see any results showing that the UAE was the source of quite a bit of terrorist funding over the last few years? Strange....I flipped through several pages of results. But as I also said, I found many articles saying that the UAE is trying to stop this flow of cash. So if you are too dense to figure it out for yourself, try this instead: "My statement appears to be incorrect. The UAE, in fact, appears to be doing the right thing." Better? From nobody at nowhere.invalid Thu Mar 9 23:50:24 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Thu Mar 9 17:55:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: look no hands References: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:05:35 +0000 (UTC), Sylvesterthekat coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : >> She's a model > > say no more! Not even that she's blonde? :) -- Steve A computer without Windows is like a chocolate cake without mustard From nobody at nowhere.invalid Fri Mar 10 00:01:05 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Thu Mar 9 18:05:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: YESSS!!!! References: Message-ID: On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:18:51 -0800, Borgholio coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : > Doing a simple Google search...... Of course, if it's on the Internet it has to be true. -- Steve Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it. From devnull at spamcop.net Thu Mar 9 18:26:43 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Thu Mar 9 18:40:14 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 73% Increase !! References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns9781756507B39innewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... | Sylvesterthekat wrote in | news:Xns978169804A749spamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61: | | > So the local folks aren't earning more too? | | No, that's why it's hard to keep local help, many/most of the "able" are | headed to the oil fields. I talk to the owner of the local convience store | down the block from my home and she hasn't had a day off for over three | months because she can't hire enough people to cover. She's also paying | above minimum ware, but she can't compete with the major chains. McDonalds | and Tim Hortons, to name a couple, are offering free medical coverage, | pension plans, vacations, to their employees, and even let them pick their | own shifts to work. Doesn't Canada have a single payer health plan? From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Thu Mar 9 23:39:59 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Thu Mar 9 18:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: YESSS!!!! References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:duq0r3$cbk$4@news.spamcop.net... > Spamvireslayer wrote: >> "Borgholio" wrote in message >> news:dupv5m$cbk$2@news.spamcop.net... >> >>>CNN Newsbreak - >>> >>>-- Dubai-owned company has decided to transfer fully the U.S. operation >>>of >>>P&O ports in North America to a U.S. entity, according to Sen. John >>>Warner. >> >> >> The Washington Post says: >> "The United Arab Emirates company that was attempting to take over >> management >> operations at six U.S. ports announced today that it will divest itself >> of all >> American interests." >> >> That sounds a bit like 'fuck you, we're taking our money out of your >> economy', so I >> wonder what the backlash is towards all of us "American Bigots"? >> >> > > I'd hardly call more security "backlash". I think he was referring to the "money out of our economy" as the backlash area - the security angle is as much a red-herring as the WMD were. From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Thu Mar 9 23:41:36 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Thu Mar 9 18:45:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: YESSS!!!! References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" wrote in message news:duq2gv$cbk$6@news.spamcop.net... > Spamvireslayer wrote: >> "Borgholio" wrote in message >> news:duq1hi$cbk$5@news.spamcop.net... >> >>>I'm not saying security is good now. :) I'm just saying it'd be worse >>>if >>>UAE had control. >> >> >> I don't know about that - they seem infinitely more efficient at some >> things than we >> are. >> >> > > Funding terrorists included. :-P You're kidding! The USA is the biggest funder of terrorists on the planet! From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Thu Mar 9 23:51:28 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Thu Mar 9 18:55:14 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:duq23u$ekg$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Porpoise wrote: >> "indigo" wrote in message >> news:dupc75$uup$1@news.spamcop.net... >> > >> >> > >> > P.S. You're not posting in plain text.....'tis an ugly font that >> > shows up on >> > my screen >> >> Umm.... yup I am..... > > So what in here is making the encoding show up as "Thai" instead of > western > european? > > Content-Type: text/plain; > format=flowed; > charset="windows-874"; > reply-type=original We weren't talking about what language it was/is - you were talking about it not being "plain text" - which it *is*. The reason the "encoding" says Thai is because it *is*. Note; the Content-Type: text/plain *NOT* text/html or whatever...... "Encoding" and "Content-Type" are not the same thing..... From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Thu Mar 9 23:53:02 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Thu Mar 9 18:55:23 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:duq2da$ers$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "indigo" wrote in message > news:duq23u$ekg$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> So what in here is making the encoding show up as "Thai" instead of >> western >> european? >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; >> format=flowed; >> charset="windows-874"; >> reply-type=original >> > > He has the character set chosen incorrectly? No. The charset="windows-874" is quite correct for a Thai language capable system From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Thu Mar 9 23:53:56 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Thu Mar 9 18:55:28 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: comcast bastards! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:duq2ng$f52$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Sylvesterthekat wrote: >> >> >> Why? Is the hearing loss happening already? > > I'm permanently deaf in my right ear since I was 3 yo. *WHAT?* From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Fri Mar 10 00:03:52 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Thu Mar 9 19:05:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 73% Increase !! References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in news:duqe4c$mj2$1 @news.spamcop.net: > Doesn't Canada have a single payer health plan? I know here (Alberta), each person for basic coverage is approx $45/month. Then if you want prescription coverage, that's extra, also extra for dental, eye, etc. Tim Hortons offers to pay that for their employees, not something done previously. From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Fri Mar 10 00:05:42 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Thu Mar 9 19:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: comcast bastards! References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" wrote in news:duqf84$ngd$1 @news.spamcop.net: > > "indigo" wrote in message > news:duq2ng$f52$1@news.spamcop.net... >> I'm permanently deaf in my right ear since I was 3 yo. > > *WHAT?* > > He started young. ;-) From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Mar 10 00:07:41 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Thu Mar 9 19:10:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: comcast bastards! References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns9781ADEA3F238innewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... > "Porpoise" wrote in news:duqf84$ngd$1 > @news.spamcop.net: > >> >> "indigo" wrote in message >> news:duq2ng$f52$1@news.spamcop.net... > >>> I'm permanently deaf in my right ear since I was 3 yo. >> >> *WHAT?* >> >> > He started young. ;-) **WHAT?** From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Fri Mar 10 00:09:29 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Thu Mar 9 19:10:14 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: comcast bastards! References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" wrote in news:duqg1t$o9j$1 @news.spamcop.net: > > "JohnL" wrote in message > news:Xns9781ADEA3F238innewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... >> "Porpoise" wrote in news:duqf84$ngd$1 >> @news.spamcop.net: >>> *WHAT?* >>> >>> >> He started young. ;-) > > **WHAT?** > > Oh, I see you must have started young also. :P From six.million at dollar.man Thu Mar 9 19:53:37 2006 From: six.million at dollar.man (dwåcôn) Date: Thu Mar 9 19:55:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Speed Racers References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns978166C45DE33spamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... > "dwåcôn" wrote in > news:duoaej$bk3$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> When we rounded the curve, I spotted the trooper in the unmarked car >> with the camera... so I made sure to go even slower... but the other >> guys sped up until the bright red flash of the speed monitor. > > were they BLIND or something?! I think drivers get so impatient they overreact to what they think is a slow driver without realizing maybe there is a reason the guy is slowing down... and then it is too late. This particular stretch of 2-lane road also has hidden speed cameras. You go speeding and you see behind you and you know you have been digitally immprtalized... and will get a copy of your car going over the lines painted on the asphalt along with an invoice for however much those tickets are going for these days. -- dwacon(com) From six.million at dollar.man Thu Mar 9 19:54:16 2006 From: six.million at dollar.man (dwåcôn) Date: Thu Mar 9 19:55:19 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: [MEDIA] No-hands woman driver is all made up References: Message-ID: "Chris Wright" wrote in message news:duq343$f9l$2@news.spamcop.net... > Redstone wrote: >> A PART-TIME bikini model was fined £200 yesterday after she was caught >> using both hands to apply make-up while driving. >> >> >> http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22749-2076681,00.html >> >> >> Naughty Britgal putting on makeup with both hands on the makeup >> applicators rather than the steering wheel. >> > > > See "Look No Hands" thread above... I once saw a woman pass me with a bowl in one hand and a spoon in the other -- she had to be doing at least 70 mph. From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Thu Mar 9 20:56:20 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu Mar 9 21:00:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Texans must all be corrupt References: Message-ID: In article , "Spamvireslayer" wrote: > What the hell? Under criminal indictment and he still wins? > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/08/AR200603080046 > 9.html That's nothing. The congressional district I used to live in once elected a dead man, weeks after he died. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com In the republic of mediocrity genius is dangerous. (Robert G. Ingersoll) From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Thu Mar 9 20:57:18 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu Mar 9 21:00:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Re-roh.....more bad news References: Message-ID: In article , Borgholio wrote: > I'd love to see Hitler try and use nukes against Iran. A pre-emptive nuke > strike to protect oil supplies...can he possibly be that stupid? You have to ask? -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com In the republic of mediocrity genius is dangerous. (Robert G. Ingersoll) From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Thu Mar 9 21:04:34 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Thu Mar 9 21:05:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 73% Increase !! References: Message-ID: In article , Sylvesterthekat wrote: > Chris Wright wrote in > > > What was worse though was going on vacation for a week and me thinking > > to save money, I'll switch off the air con. > > Bad Move. > > Came back late evening. The house was an oven. The ceilings had > > expanded and were bowing and popping out in places, inside temp was > > over the 100'. All the surfaces were hot to touch, nice and warm. > > Took three days with the air con going 24/7 to get the temperature > > down. > > Did you have all the windows closed too? Maybe if you'd left a couple open > it wouldn't have been so bad. Right. Then the house wouldn't have been too hot; it would have been empty. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com In the republic of mediocrity genius is dangerous. (Robert G. Ingersoll) From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Fri Mar 10 08:20:28 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Fri Mar 10 03:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Here's what happens when you obey the law. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Spamvireslayer wrote: >> "indigo" wrote in message >> news:duq4dt$g3o$1@news.spamcop.net... >>> Wanna know what's produced a huge change in my driving style? An >>> electronic instant MPG gauge and the average tank MPG reading. I >>> stomp the gas much, much less since I bought my new car, you can >>> just see that expensive gas dollar signs ringing up as the road >>> flies beneath you! >> I had that on the Trailblazer, oddly enough it NEVER changed, it was >> always 16.5 mpg........ > > Ugh...and I'm not happy with my usual 21 mpg reading! My other (smaller) > Acura used to get 24 mpg back and forth to work. > > And there is me in the UK thinking that 40mpg in my 2.2L is bad. (Well it is when you are paying the prices for gas that we do. It only costs around $80 to fill the tank (note I said 'THE' tank), and then, its only a standard sized tank). Oh for the days in Texas when I paid 0.99c a gallon. People looked at me when I used the local garage because if I went 5mile down the road, I could get it for 0.95c. After paying what I had done in the UK, 0.04c was nothing. It was so cheap, I even considered filling my pool. Not so cheap now I understand, but its a heck of lot cheaper than ours still. I shipped over my 3.8L V6 Grand Voyager. That doesn't get filled so often for some reason. (But its not as bad on mpg as the brits over here think). Chris From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Fri Mar 10 08:22:57 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Fri Mar 10 03:25:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 73% Increase !! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: D.F. Manno wrote: > In article , > Sylvesterthekat wrote: > >> Chris Wright wrote in >> >>> What was worse though was going on vacation for a week and me thinking >>> to save money, I'll switch off the air con. >>> Bad Move. >>> Came back late evening. The house was an oven. The ceilings had >>> expanded and were bowing and popping out in places, inside temp was >>> over the 100'. All the surfaces were hot to touch, nice and warm. >>> Took three days with the air con going 24/7 to get the temperature >>> down. >> Did you have all the windows closed too? Maybe if you'd left a couple open >> it wouldn't have been so bad. > > Right. Then the house wouldn't have been too hot; it would have been empty. lol - I thought that. I think I was still getting use to the house alarm at the time and didn't think about leaving windows open. I didn't think it would get 'that' hot inside. Wrong. Wasn't that bad. Just meant more time in the pool drinking JD's & Coke. At least the ice maker was still working ok !! Chris From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Fri Mar 10 12:29:19 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Fri Mar 10 07:30:17 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: look no hands References: Message-ID: Steven Maesslein on 09/03/2006 wrote: >On Thu, 9 Mar 2006 15:05:35 +0000 (UTC), Sylvesterthekat coughed into >spamcop.social and left this in >: > >>>She's a model >> >>say no more! > >Not even that she's blonde? :) She's not blond, it's just that you didn't see her dying and drying her hair just before the camera caught her doing her eye liner. -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Fri Mar 10 12:39:23 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Fri Mar 10 07:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Quotes of the Day - Kay O'Connor (Kansas Senate Republican) Message-ID: Kay O'Connor "I'm an old-fashioned woman. Men should take care of women, and if men were taking care of women today, we wouldn't have to vote." -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Mar 10 10:49:47 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Mar 10 10:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] How to change the way you look at women. References: <1142001441.207426.186510@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: >From another group Hi Folks, We created a PSA on the occasion of International Women's Day. You can view at: http://newnimproved.blogspot.com/2006/03/spot-day-breasts.html From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Mar 10 09:46:52 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Mar 10 12:50:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: YESSS!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Charles wrote: > No way it was me! It was Borgholio ! > > >>"My statement appears to be incorrect. The UAE, in fact, appears to >>be doing the right thing." >> >>Better? > > > That depends. But it's not about that. It's about the "yes". Which I > didn't understand. Coming from you, it still doesn't make sense to me. Ah, that part. I don't believe that industries / properties critical to our economic survival should be owned by foreign corporations. At least, not without a safeguard to insure that we can take back control in an instant if we need to. From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Fri Mar 10 19:13:18 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Fri Mar 10 14:15:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: YESSS!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > Charles wrote: >> No way it was me! It was Borgholio ! >> >> >>> "My statement appears to be incorrect. The UAE, in fact, appears to >>> be doing the right thing." >>> >>> Better? >> >> >> That depends. But it's not about that. It's about the "yes". Which >> I didn't understand. Coming from you, it still doesn't make sense to me. > > Ah, that part. I don't believe that industries / properties critical to > our economic survival should be owned by foreign corporations. At > least, not without a safeguard to insure that we can take back control > in an instant if we need to. Or you will get in the mess that the UK is in right now. Hardly any of our big corporations are solely UK owned now. We even sold part of the company that deals with UK defense off. Anyway, we'll all be owned and run from China before too long. By 2020, you'll have a Chinese President, and we'll have a Chinese Prime Minster. Hong Kong won't be a part of the UK still, the UK will be a part of Hong Kong. And all in the name of profit. Both our nations will be a collection of think tanks with all manufacturing done overseas. Not that it is a pet peeve of mine you understand. Chris From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Mar 10 14:14:33 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Mar 10 14:15:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: YESSS!!!! References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:duq2t4$f66$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > Funny thing is....this whole mess really had nothing to do with > > security.....political bandstanding is what is was in reality. > > It was out and out fear by the Republicans especially, with their > midterms approaching, they did not want to be associated with his > plan to give away our security to the UAE. The deal did nothing to "give away our security to the UAE". All security was and still would have been the responsibility of the DHS and the state port officials. All the deal was about was who was going to load and unload the ships. BFD. From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Mar 10 14:17:51 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Mar 10 14:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > > We weren't talking about what language it was/is - you were talking > about it not being "plain text" - which it *is*. The reason the > "encoding" says Thai is because it *is*. > > Note; the Content-Type: text/plain *NOT* text/html or whatever...... > > "Encoding" and "Content-Type" are not the same thing..... So why are you sending posts with THAI encoding? From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Mar 10 14:22:54 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Mar 10 14:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message > news:duq2da$ers$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > "indigo" wrote in message > > news:duq23u$ekg$1@news.spamcop.net... > >> > >> So what in here is making the encoding show up as "Thai" instead of > >> western > >> european? > >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; > >> format=flowed; > >> charset="windows-874"; > >> reply-type=original > >> > > > > He has the character set chosen incorrectly? > > No. The charset="windows-874" is quite correct for a Thai language > capable system I ask again -- why are you posting with that charset? From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Fri Mar 10 15:02:35 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Fri Mar 10 15:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: YESSS!!!! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dusj6q$vqg$1@news.spamcop.net... > > The deal did nothing to "give away our security to the UAE". All security > was and still would have been the responsibility of the DHS and the state > port officials. All the deal was about was who was going to load and unload > the ships. BFD. I know that, however to Mr. and Mrs. Redneck who voted this jerk in because he's appointed by God and going to save us from terrorists, will wonder what the hell is he thinking giving control of our ports away to the very people that attacked us.......that's how it looks, whether or not it's the reality of the situation. Look at all the muslim overreaction to cartoons, and ask yourself what would happen if one bad apple started sneaking in nasties in containers, which as we know are rarely inspected. And then there's the issue of outsourcing. Why are these jobs not filled by Americans? Surely there is a company in this country capable of doing the job? Say, Halliburton? ;> From nobody at spamcop.net Fri Mar 10 16:37:22 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Fri Mar 10 16:40:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "indigo" wrote: > > > NNTP-Posting-Host: 216-111-114-195.dia.static.qwest.net > > I guess I haven't been paying attention, when did you switch to > quest? Been on qworst for years at work. From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Mar 10 22:51:26 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Fri Mar 10 17:55:06 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dusjcv$vvi$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Porpoise wrote: >> >> We weren't talking about what language it was/is - you were talking >> about it not being "plain text" - which it *is*. The reason the >> "encoding" says Thai is because it *is*. >> >> Note; the Content-Type: text/plain *NOT* text/html or whatever...... >> >> "Encoding" and "Content-Type" are not the same thing..... > > So why are you sending posts with THAI encoding? Duh! Because I'm on a Thai system!!???!!! ;-) Therefore it encodes Thai by default........ From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Mar 10 22:53:07 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Fri Mar 10 17:55:18 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dusjme$fr$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > Porpoise wrote: >> >> No. The charset="windows-874" is quite correct for a Thai language >> capable system > > I ask again -- why are you posting with that charset? Because, oh strangeness of strange, a Thai system uses Thai encoding - Yeah! Really! From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Mar 10 23:07:49 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Fri Mar 10 18:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" wrote in message news:dusvvn$7t4$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "indigo" wrote in message > news:dusjcv$vvi$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> >> So why are you sending posts with THAI encoding? > > Duh! Because I'm on a Thai system!!???!!! ;-) Therefore it encodes Thai > by default........ Just out of interest, these are the various encodings available: RLI Supported Languages and Encodings Language and Encoding Support in RLI 4.0 Total Encodings29 (includes UTF-8) Legacy Encodings28 Languages40 Albanian UTF-8, Windows-1252 Arabic UTF-8, Windows-1256, ISO-8859-6 Bahasa Indonesia UTF-8, Windows-1252 Bahasa Malay UTF-8, Windows-1252 Bulgarian UTF-8, Windows-1251, ISO-8859-5, KOI8-R Catalan UTF-8, Windows-1252 Chinese UTF-8, GB-2312, HZ-GB-2312, ISO-2022-CN Chinese UTF-8, Big5 Croatian UTF-8, Windows-1250 Czech UTF-8, Windows-1250 Danish UTF-8, Windows-1252 Dutch UTF-8, Windows-1252 English UTF-8, Windows-1252 Estonian UTF-8, Windows-1257 Farsi UTF-8, Windows-1256 Finnish UTF-8, Windows-1252 French UTF-8, Windows-1252 German UTF-8, Windows-1252 Greek UTF-8, Windows-1253 Hebrew UTF-8, Windows-1255 Hungarian UTF-8, Windows-1250 Icelandic UTF-8, Windows-1252 Italian UTF-8, Windows-1252 Japanese UTF-8, EUC-JP, ISO-2022-JP, Shift-JIS Korean UTF-8, EUC-KR, ISO-2022-KR Latvian UTF-8, Windows-1257 Lithuanian UTF-8, Windows-1257 Norwegian UTF-8, Windows-1252 Polish UTF-8, Windows-1250 Portuguese UTF-8, Windows-1252 Romanian UTF-8, Windows-1250 Russian UTF-8, Windows-1251, ISO-8859-5, IBM-866, KOI8-R, x-Mac-Cyrillic Slovak UTF-8, Windows-1250 Slovenian UTF-8, Windows-1250 Spanish UTF-8, Windows-1252 Swedish UTF-8, Windows-1252 Tagalog UTF-8, Windows-1252 Thai UTF-8, Windows-874 Turkish UTF-8, Windows-1254 Vietnamese UTF-8, VISCII, VPS, VIQR, TCVN, VN Of course, which one you use is personal choice, depending on what your language requirements are - and doesn't make any difference to any English content, only the "other language" content (as it would be unreadable unless the system it's being read on is likewise language enabled and the recipient can read that language.......) i.e. If I type in Thai, your system will not display the Thai characters unless it is likewise Thai enabled, with Thai fonts installed (all you will see is the extended characters that are in those character positions in whichever fonts you are using - which could be Chinese, Arabic, or whatever. It will, however, display the English characters just fine. From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Mar 10 18:21:21 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Mar 10 18:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: YESSS!!!! References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dusj6q$vqg$1@news.spamcop.net... | > > Funny thing is....this whole mess really had nothing to do with | > > security.....political bandstanding is what is was in reality. | > | > It was out and out fear by the Republicans especially, with their | > midterms approaching, they did not want to be associated with his | > plan to give away our security to the UAE. | | The deal did nothing to "give away our security to the UAE". All security | was and still would have been the responsibility of the DHS and the state | port officials. All the deal was about was who was going to load and unload | the ships. BFD. Might talk to some folks from the longshoreman's union about who has the real control of what happens on and around the docks. Might mention that due to a deal the US government cut with the mafia there was ZERO sabotage on shipping a US ports during WW I.I. From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Mar 10 23:47:57 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Fri Mar 10 18:50:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" wrote in message news:dut0uf$8l7$1@news.spamcop.net... > SNIPPED > It will, however, display the English characters just fine. Or, more accurately, Roman characters..... From borgholio at storymind.com Fri Mar 10 15:52:50 2006 From: borgholio at storymind.com (Borgholio) Date: Fri Mar 10 18:55:14 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: YESSS!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:dusj6q$vqg$1@news.spamcop.net... > > | > > Funny thing is....this whole mess really had nothing to do with > | > > security.....political bandstanding is what is was in reality. > | > > | > It was out and out fear by the Republicans especially, with their > | > midterms approaching, they did not want to be associated with his > | > plan to give away our security to the UAE. > | > | The deal did nothing to "give away our security to the UAE". All security > | was and still would have been the responsibility of the DHS and the state > | port officials. All the deal was about was who was going to load and > unload > | the ships. BFD. > > Might talk to some folks from the longshoreman's union about who has the > real control of what happens on and around the docks. > > Might mention that due to a deal the US government cut with the mafia there > was ZERO sabotage on shipping a US ports during WW I.I. > > Seen on a bumper sticker: "Insured by MAFIA. You hit me, we hit you back." From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Mar 10 19:53:55 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Mar 10 19:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: YESSS!!!! References: Message-ID: "Borgholio" | > | > > Funny thing is....this whole mess really had nothing to do with | > | > > security.....political bandstanding is what is was in reality. | > | > | > | > It was out and out fear by the Republicans especially, with their | > | > midterms approaching, they did not want to be associated with his | > | > plan to give away our security to the UAE. | > | | > | The deal did nothing to "give away our security to the UAE". All security was and still would have been the responsibility of the DHS and the state port officials. All the deal was about was who was going to load and | > unload the ships. BFD. | > | > Might talk to some folks from the longshoreman's union about who has the | > real control of what happens on and around the docks. | > | > Might mention that due to a deal the US government cut with the mafia there was ZERO sabotage on shipping a US ports during WW I.I. | > | > | | Seen on a bumper sticker: | | "Insured by MAFIA. You hit me, we hit you back." Is OK ... my godfather is bigger than your godfather. And where I come from that means sum-thin' From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Mar 10 21:25:34 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Mar 10 21:45:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Mayor Wants Nude Cycle Race Outlawed References: Message-ID: WELLINGTON, New Zealand (AP) -- The mayor of a New Zealand town wants a nude cycling race to be called off -- because the participants won't be wearing helmets. John Hurley, mayor of the Tasman District on New Zealand's South Island, said police would look like ``fools'' if they allowed the race to go ahead for the third straight year, in spite of the objection of local residents. Police said they had queried the legality of the race and found they can take no action. ``We have taken advice on the legality of their proposed action and have been advised that it falls short of an offense,'' Sergeant Arthur Clarence said Friday. About 100 people are expected to take part in the ``clothing optional'' race Sunday around Golden Bay on the southern tip of New Zealand's South Island. The race aims to promote safe cycling and alternative energy. Hurley said police should enforce laws which require all cyclists to wear safety helmets. ``They have ridden bikes in the past down the road with no crash helmets, no nothing on and people say that's a double standard,'' he said. From devnull at spamcop.net Fri Mar 10 22:03:57 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Fri Mar 10 22:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] How come someone this stupid is working in the WH? References: Message-ID: http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=1712023 "Former White House Adviser, Onetime No. 2 at Homeland Security, Arrested on Theft Charges" From edb2000 at spamcop.net Fri Mar 10 21:29:51 2006 From: edb2000 at spamcop.net (Don Wannit) Date: Sat Mar 11 00:30:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: YESSS!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > And then there's the issue of outsourcing. Why are these jobs not filled by > Americans? Surely there is a company in this country capable of doing the job? Say, > Halliburton? ;> Hey, it was supposed to be an un-named US company! You let the cat out of the bag! From six.million at dollar.man Sat Mar 11 01:30:06 2006 From: six.million at dollar.man (dwåcôn) Date: Sat Mar 11 01:30:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Black. White. Message-ID: Caught the first episode of this limited series on the FX network. A team of Academy Award winning makeup artists turn a white family black and a black family white. They go through life experiencing being a different race. So far -- looks like it could be one of the more interesting reality type series. Visually, the transformations are astounding. But so far, there haven't been any truly amazing revelations. But we'll keep watching... -- dwacon(com) From six.million at dollar.man Sat Mar 11 01:31:37 2006 From: six.million at dollar.man (dwåcôn) Date: Sat Mar 11 01:35:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How come someone this stupid is working in the WH? References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:dutfav$h0p$1@news.spamcop.net... > http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=1712023 > > "Former White House Adviser, Onetime No. 2 at Homeland Security, > Arrested on Theft Charges" > > Bill Maher missed this one... From khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com Sat Mar 11 06:57:52 2006 From: khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Sat Mar 11 02:00:09 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] And I approve of this message Message-ID: Here's a political ad running in NC now that rivals a lot of the quotes that Canopus has been posting. http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2006/03/vernon_jordan_h.html From khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com Sat Mar 11 07:04:01 2006 From: khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Sat Mar 11 02:05:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Mayor Wants Nude Cycle Race Outlawed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > WELLINGTON, New Zealand (AP) -- The mayor of a New Zealand > town wants a nude cycling race to be called off -- because the > participants won't be wearing helmets. > > John Hurley, mayor of the Tasman District on New Zealand's > South Island, said police would look like ``fools'' if they allowed > the race to go ahead for the third straight year, in spite of the > objection of local residents. I'm still trying to understand some of the prejudices. All the Australians I know here, you mention something about New Zealand and they just shake their head and mutter something about all those people from New Zealand. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Sat Mar 11 10:56:47 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Sat Mar 11 05:00:47 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 22:53:07 -0000, Porpoise coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : >> I ask again -- why are you posting with that charset? > > Because, oh strangeness of strange, a Thai system uses Thai encoding - Yeah! > Really! It should only switch to Thai encoding if Thai characters are used. You only used standard Roman characters so it should have stuck with us-ascii, or simply no Content-Type: header at all since the default is text/plain us-ascii according to RFC822. -- Steve Everyone has a photographic memory. Some just don't have film. From avoozl at spamcop.net Sat Mar 11 04:26:19 2006 From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Sat Mar 11 07:30:12 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How come someone this stupid is working in the WH? References: Message-ID: Heh. I saw that. It looks like he has worked for several different govt. type jobs over the years. It really makes you wonder why he'd do what he did. It certainly didn't seem like he NEEDED to.. Chris "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:dutfav$h0p$1@news.spamcop.net... > http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=1712023 > > "Former White House Adviser, Onetime No. 2 at Homeland Security, > Arrested on Theft Charges" > > From avoozl at spamcop.net Sat Mar 11 04:30:15 2006 From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Sat Mar 11 07:30:20 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: All I see are spies References: Message-ID: That was pretty hilarious Charles. I'll have to add that one to my 'reasons we should use encryption' list :) Chris "Charles" <8hmte5s02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message news:Xns97834319312D8TheShrubIsAnAss@216.154.195.61... > http://www.aclu.org/thespieshaveit/ From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Sat Mar 11 14:43:38 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Sat Mar 11 09:45:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Quotes of the Day - James Watt (Secretary of the Interior) Message-ID: -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Sat Mar 11 14:46:13 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Sat Mar 11 09:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] James Watt (Secretary of the Interior) Message-ID: James Watt "We don't have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at hand." -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From devnull at spamcop.net Sat Mar 11 10:44:18 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Mar 11 11:00:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Quotes of the Day - James Watt (Secretary of the Interior) References: Message-ID: "Canopus" | | | -- | Rob | | http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ Interesting and in line with what else the admin has to say. Do you have a link? From pete+usenet at heypete.com Sat Mar 11 08:55:19 2006 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Sat Mar 11 12:00:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Speed Racers References: Message-ID: In article , "dwåcôn" wrote: > I knew that, around the curve, there was one of those flashy signs that tell > you how fast you are going... so I made sure to keep it below the speed > limit. But the folks behind me got impatient and zoomed past me to the > right. I love those signs -- the local police have one on a trailer pulled by a cruiser which they just leave sitting at random around town. I've actually pulled over and investigated it (as nobody's there, it's just sitting on the trailer behind the cruiser -- they're very trusting), and there's only a radar, solar panel, and big lighted screen. There's about four police on duty at any time in this town, so I just use the sign to make sure my speedometer is calibrated...at a variety of speeds. :) I'd hope that the police don't think you were speeding...and if they do, you could always argue that they were picking up the other guy. I'm not sure if the camera is able to tell the difference when there's multiple cars there. -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From pete+usenet at heypete.com Sat Mar 11 09:04:53 2006 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Sat Mar 11 12:05:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: 73% Increase !! References: Message-ID: In article , "Spamvireslayer" wrote: > They're going to be the same people who are jobless already because > of mergers and cutbacks, or senior citizens who are on the edge > already and facing SS cutbacks, because that's where Bush thinks he > can ge the most money. I'm telling you, this country and this > economy is heading for one bigass crash, there are only so many > financial crises people can absorb, and no one is doing anything > about it. Housing market is about to go bust, I'd bet money on it, > and what's going to happen to the at least 10K people laid off when > the ATT merger goes through, not to mention all the auto industry > jobs and manufacturing already going off shore? Sometimes I wonder if such a "bigass crash" is what the country needs. With Congress a) having the authority to spend money and b) the authority to raise the debt limit it has, there's no self-imposed financial limits. Perhaps a huge economic collapse, restructuring, and rebuilding would be the kick in the pants the country needs? It'd suck for a bit, yes, but it might be worth it in the end. I'm no economist, but it seems that having the government be $8+ trillion in debt, our annual Federal budget topping $2.7 trillion a year, individuals saving very little money, getting into debt, and relying on credit...well, it seems to not be sustainable at all. /Something/'s gonna give, that's for sure. -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From pete+usenet at heypete.com Sat Mar 11 09:13:04 2006 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Sat Mar 11 12:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: YESSS!!!! References: Message-ID: In article , "Spamvireslayer" wrote: > Who says there will be more security? We're not doing so great now, > is there a plan to make it better? I wonder if "better" will mean "more posturing and preening in front of the cameras" like they do in the airports or actual security. Somehow, I imagine that x-raying steel shipping containers filled with all sorts of incredibly varied stuff from all over the world would be an adventure in frustration. I can't imagine one would be able to pick out anything of use at all. Still, even with the minimal security on shipping containers, commercial vessels, trains (I loved getting on Amtrak -- pay for your ticket, wait around, then get on the train. No security at all. It was really refreshing to not be treated like a criminal when I wanted to travel.), and even aircraft, there hasn't been any incidents. I wonder why these oft-maligned Bad Guys aren't taking advantage of these "vulnerabilities" -- they're well-known. -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From pete+usenet at heypete.com Sat Mar 11 09:32:42 2006 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Sat Mar 11 12:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: YESSS!!!! References: Message-ID: In article , Borgholio wrote: > Ah, that part. I don't believe that industries / properties critical to our > economic survival should be owned by foreign corporations. At least, not > without a safeguard to insure that we can take back control in an instant if > we need to. The question, of course, being "who is 'we'?" Having foreign investors own a voting majority of a US publicly traded company is common and totally unremarkable. Happens all the time, and I'm sure there's a few foreign companies that have a majority of foreign-to-them shareholders. Do you think that any foreign companies or investors would be willing to invest in new business here in the United States if someone (like the government, who's known to act in irrational ways) had the authority to take over the company and force it to keep operating without any sort of benefit to the company or investors? I strongly doubt it. A lot of foreign countries look to the United States for industrial/commercial advice on numerous topics. Why? Because American companies have lengthy experience in many things (oil, nuclear power plants, heavy machinery, electronics, research and development, etc.). Foreign companies like Maersk are highly skilled and experienced when it comes to international commercial shipping. So is DP World (having bought CSX, a major freight rail company, and P&O [the 4th largest port operations company in the world with years of experience]). Why is it ok for a British company to handle port operations (which hire local American workers, no doubt), but it's not ok for a company based in Dubai to buy the British company and essentially make no changes in the day-to-day operations? (The last bit isn't necessarily addressed to you, Borg, but rather to the world as a whole. From my understanding of the situation, this isn't really that big of a deal. But my understanding may be based on information from various sources that may or may not be reliable, so who knows? :) ) -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From pete+usenet at heypete.com Sat Mar 11 09:36:54 2006 From: pete+usenet at heypete.com (Pete Stephenson) Date: Sat Mar 11 12:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Mayor Wants Nude Cycle Race Outlawed References: Message-ID: In article , "Frog Prince" wrote: > Hurley said police should enforce laws which require all > cyclists to wear safety helmets. Silly law, if you ask me. It's common sense that one /should/ wear a helmet, but it ultimately should be the choice of the person who's noggin is at risk. If someone's willing to take the chance that their wibbly bits will get asphalt burn and also decides that they're willing to not wear a helmet for a particular event, that's up to them. -- Pete Stephenson HeyPete.com From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Sat Mar 11 18:30:52 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Sat Mar 11 13:35:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: "Steven Maesslein" wrote in message news:slrne157mv.49i.nobody@127.0.0.1... > On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 22:53:07 -0000, Porpoise coughed into spamcop.social > and left this in : > >>> I ask again -- why are you posting with that charset? >> >> Because, oh strangeness of strange, a Thai system uses Thai encoding - >> Yeah! >> Really! > > It should only switch to Thai encoding if Thai characters are used. You > only used standard Roman characters so it should have stuck with > us-ascii, or simply no Content-Type: header at all since the default is > text/plain us-ascii according to RFC822. Wrong! us-ascii is only the default encoding on us-ascii systems. On a Thai system (as opposed to another language system thai enabled) the encoding is Thai regardless of which language or font you are typing in. Otherwise, you wouldn't get the menus and dialogue boxes in Thai....... From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Sat Mar 11 18:39:35 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Sat Mar 11 13:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: YESSS!!!! References: Message-ID: "Pete Stephenson" wrote in message news:pete+usenet-72850D.09324211032006@news.cesmail.net... > In article , > > > Why is it ok for a British company to handle port operations (which hire > local American workers, no doubt), but it's not ok for a company based > in Dubai to buy the British company and essentially make no changes in > the day-to-day operations? > > (The last bit isn't necessarily addressed to you, Borg, but rather to > the world as a whole. From my understanding of the situation, this isn't > really that big of a deal. But my understanding may be based on > information from various sources that may or may not be reliable, so who > knows? :) ) > Well, ISTM it's a typical American knee-jerk reaction out of all proportion to the reality of the situation (as it probably does to most of the rest of the world too). From devnull at spamcop.net Sat Mar 11 16:21:34 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Mar 11 16:40:08 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Gittin' Old Sucks References: Message-ID: Some of the artists of the 60's and 70's are revising their hits with new lyrics to appeal to aging baby boomers. Herman's Hermits - Mrs. Brown, You've Got a Lovely Walker The Bee Gees - How Can You Mend a Broken Hip Bobby Darin - Splish, Splash, I Was Havin' a Flash Ringo Starr - I Get By With a Little Help from Depends Roberta Flack - The First Time Ever I Forgot Your Face Johnny Nash - I Can't See Clearly Now Paul Simon - Fifty Ways to Lose Your Liver Commodores - Once, Twice, Three Times to the Bathroom Marvin Gaye - I Heard it Through the GrapeNuts Procol Harem - A Whiter Shade of Hair Leo Sayer - You Make Me Feel Like Napping The Temptations - Papa's Got a Kidney Stone Abba - Denture Queen Tony Orlando - Knock Three Times on the Ceiling if You Hear Me Fall Helen Reddy - I am Woman, Hear me Snore Willie Nelson - On the Throne Again Leslie Gore - It's My Procedure and I'll Cry if I Want To From devnull at spamcop.net Sat Mar 11 16:52:58 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Mar 11 17:20:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Mayor Wants Nude Cycle Race Outlawed References: Message-ID: "Kenneth Loafman" | > | >> Hurley said police should enforce laws which require all | >> cyclists to wear safety helmets. | > | >Silly law, if you ask me. | > | >It's common sense that one /should/ wear a helmet, but it ultimately | >should be the choice of the person who's noggin is at risk. If someone's | >willing to take the chance that their wibbly bits will get asphalt burn | >and also decides that they're willing to not wear a helmet for a | >particular event, that's up to them. | | Here's my take on it from a societal standpoint. [Note: I don't like | helmets, but I do wear them.] | | 1) If you don't wear a helmet and are in an accident that leaves you brain | dead, or just dead because of head injury, then you're automatically an | organ donor. No exceptions. Would override whatever legal documents you | had in place. Religion would not be a consideration. | | 2) If you don't wear a helmet and are in an accident that leaves you a | basket case needing constant care, then insurance may elect to not cover | you, or may specify minimal care and feeding. Your organs would be | harvested upon your death. | | 3) less severe cases here... | | Rather than enumerate, the goal would be that if you died of brain damage | where a helmet was proscribed, then your organs are up for grabs. For | some, that will be enough to get them to wear helmets. | | Brain damage is a costly problem. We should not have to pay for their | arrogance. Good friends worked in a major city ER their term for motor cycle riders who rode without helmets ORGAN DONORS. I don't ride (any more) but my DL has a tag that says ORGAN DONOR and the paperwork is in my wallet. Once was stopped by a state cop in a local crack down (anything 1 over was ticketed I was 10 over) guy was going to read me the book took one look at the tag on the DL. Tip his hat, pointed to the notice and said 'drive careful as we don't what to harvest too soon' From nobody at nowhere.invalid Sat Mar 11 23:34:58 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Sat Mar 11 17:35:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Mayor Wants Nude Cycle Race Outlawed References: Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 14:46:36 -0600, Kenneth Loafman coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : > Here's my take on it from a societal standpoint. [Note: I don't like > helmets, but I do wear them.] Regardless of organ donor issues, I do agree that health insurance should be allowed not to pay the full whack for medical treatment when the gravity of the victim's injuries (and therefore the cost of treating the victim) would have been unquestionably lower had the victim been wearing protective clothing. Suppose I fall off my bike and crack my skull against the kerb. A crash helmet would have helped me here so I should accept responsibility if my health insurance says GFY. OTOH, suppose I break my lower jaw against the kerb. A normal cyclist's helmet wouldn't have helped me in the least in this instance, and if my insurance tried to short-change me because of that, I'd raise a holy stink. -- Steve A conclusion is simply the place where someone got tired of thinking. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Sat Mar 11 23:41:26 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Sat Mar 11 17:45:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 18:30:52 -0000, Porpoise coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : > Wrong! us-ascii is only the default encoding on us-ascii systems. > > On a Thai system (as opposed to another language system thai enabled) the > encoding is Thai regardless of which language or font you are typing in. > Otherwise, you wouldn't get the menus and dialogue boxes in Thai....... The character set used for outbound mail/postings has nothing whatsoever to do with that used internally by the system to display menus etc. Compatibility-friendly software should always strive to use the lowest common denominator in order to achieve what the user wants. If your outbound messages contain nothing but us-ascii then they should be "encoded" as such in order specifically to avoid the kinds of problem reported by others. Take a look at my previous posting. It's in us-ascii. Now take a look at this one, which contains ?xt??d?d ch?r?ct?rs - it should be sent off as ISO-8859-15 even though I changed nothing in the settings. The newsreader detected the presence of the extended characters and adjusted the headers of the posting accordingly. FWIW, this system (GTK2-based) uses UTF-8 internally. -- Steve Politics is the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow, next week, next month and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen. -- Winston Churchill From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Sat Mar 11 23:19:47 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Sat Mar 11 18:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Quotes of the Day - James Watt (Secretary of the Interior) References: Message-ID: Frog Prince on 11/03/2006 wrote: > >"Canopus" >> >> >> -- >> Rob >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ > >Interesting and in line with what else the admin has to say. Do you have a >link? Either you were both very quick and replied during the 20 seconds it took me to accidently hit the send button and then cancel the message from the server due to no message in the body or else my newsreader is threading to the wrong initial message or else the message wasn't cancelled. Then again it's getting late here and perhaps I'm seeing double :) -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Sat Mar 11 23:21:20 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Sat Mar 11 18:25:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Black. White. References: Message-ID: dw?c?n on 11/03/2006 wrote: >Caught the first episode of this limited series on the FX network. A team >of Academy Award winning makeup artists turn a white family black and a >black family white. They go through life experiencing being a different >race. > >So far -- looks like it could be one of the more interesting reality type >series. > >Visually, the transformations are astounding. But so far, there haven't >been any truly amazing revelations. But we'll keep watching... Hasn't Michael Jackson already done this one? -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Sat Mar 11 23:29:35 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Sat Mar 11 18:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Mayor Wants Nude Cycle Race Outlawed References: Message-ID: Pete Stephenson on 11/03/2006 wrote: >Silly law, if you ask me. > >It's common sense that one should wear a helmet, but it ultimately >should be the choice of the person who's noggin is at risk. Watch this space! Soon to become law: All pedestrians to wear helmets. The only safe speed to drive is 0 MPH. All steps and stairs to carry warning signs. All citizens must sign a waver with local authorities before going outdoors... -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From bert at iphouse.com Sat Mar 11 23:34:23 2006 From: bert at iphouse.com (Bert Hyman) Date: Sat Mar 11 18:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Mayor Wants Nude Cycle Race Outlawed References: Message-ID: In news:duvmgv$q7s$1@news.spamcop.net "Canopus" wrote: > Pete Stephenson on 11/03/2006 wrote: > >>Silly law, if you ask me. >> >>It's common sense that one should wear a helmet, but it ultimately >>should be the choice of the person who's noggin is at risk. > > Watch this space! Soon to become law: All pedestrians to wear helmets. > ... > http://www.garagelogic.com/euphelmet.htm -- Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Sat Mar 11 23:54:28 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Sat Mar 11 18:55:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Quotes of the Day - James Watt (Secretary of the Interior) References: Message-ID: David Dean on 11/03/2006 wrote: >In article , > "Canopus" wrote: > >>the wrong initial message or else the message wasn't cancelled. > > I don't think cancels are allowed any more... Side effect of an old >troll. Aaargghhh! It even shows up as canceled in my newsreader. Note to self, don't bother cancelling mistakes on SpamCop groups. -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Sun Mar 12 02:18:20 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Sat Mar 11 21:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: "Steven Maesslein" wrote in message news:slrne16kgm.7u8.nobody@127.0.0.1... > On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 18:30:52 -0000, Porpoise coughed into spamcop.social > and left this in : > >> Wrong! us-ascii is only the default encoding on us-ascii systems. >> >> On a Thai system (as opposed to another language system thai enabled) the >> encoding is Thai regardless of which language or font you are typing in. >> Otherwise, you wouldn't get the menus and dialogue boxes in Thai....... > > The character set used for outbound mail/postings has nothing whatsoever > to do with that used internally by the system to display menus etc. The actual character set used is not dependant on the encoding (other than with regard to having the correct characters within the set for the desired characters to display - so that if you want Hindi, you get Hindi rather than, say, Chinese) In a character set such as "Arial", for example, besides the Roman characters, you also have Arabic, Baltic, Cyrillic, Greek, Hebrew, Japanese, Korean, Simplified Chinese, Thai, Traditional Chinese, Turkish, Vietnam, Western (being the standard Roman set). Whichever language encoding your system is set up for, they will ALL display the standard Roman characters as normal, but the other language characters are dependant on the language encodings set up on your system to display those characters - e.g. If you system encodings are, say, Chinese or Hebrew and you receive a Thai language document (whether email or otherwise) You will see a jumble of meaningless Chinese or Hebrew characters (gibberish) not Thai characters. You will, however, still be able to read Roman characters as normal. > > Compatibility-friendly software should always strive to use the lowest > common denominator in order to achieve what the user wants. If your > outbound messages contain nothing but us-ascii then they should be > "encoded" as such in order specifically to avoid the kinds of problem > reported by others. There's no such thing as us-ascii on here. There is the option of US keyboard layout (amongst the others) or Western European (Roman) encoding or any of the following encodings (which would be pointless unless you can input the relevant language: Arabic, Baltic, Cyrillic, Greek, Hebrew, Japanese, Korean, Simplified Chinese, Thai, Traditional Chinese, Turkish, Vietnam, Western UTF-8 (No us-ascii in there) But as I don't have the ability to read or write most of them I only have the default Thai encoding actually installed. > > Take a look at my previous posting. It's in us-ascii. us-ascii is what came about in 1972 but has since been encapsulated and superceded since 1993/6: RFC 2070 internationalized the Internet's hypertext markup language HTML and declared ISO 10646 its new base charset. RFC 2277 recommends the use of ISO 10646 to all new Internet protocols. Unicode begins with US-ASCII and ISO-8859-1 but goes beyond the 8bit barrier and encodes all the world's characters in a 16bit space and a 20bit extension zone for everything that did not fit into the 16bit space. The ASCII-compatible Unicode transformation scheme UTF-8 lets all ASCII characters pass through transparently and encodes all other characters as unambiguous 8bit character sequences. http://www.nada.kth.se/i18n/ucs/unicode-iso10646-oview.html > Now take a look at > this one, which contains ?xt??d?d ch?r?ct?rs - it should be sent off as > ISO-8859-15 even though I changed nothing in the settings. The > newsreader detected the presence of the extended characters and adjusted > the headers of the posting accordingly. > > FWIW, this system (GTK2-based) uses UTF-8 internally. So you shouldn't even be aware of anything out of the ordinary, unless there is some Thai character (or other language, as the case may be)data in there (or you look at the headers to look at the encoding [for whatever reason/purpose that might be]). You only need to worry about the encoding if you're trying to read something in a language for which you don't have the encoding and character installed on your system. As the standard ascii characters are included in all the character sets/ encodings, you'll always be able to read them - so it's a none-issue. The End From devnull at spamcop.net Sat Mar 11 21:32:41 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Mar 11 22:05:05 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Quotes of the Day - James Watt (Secretary of the Interior) References: Message-ID: "Canopus" wrote in message news:duvnvj$r41$1@news.spamcop.net... | David Dean on 11/03/2006 wrote: | | >In article , | > "Canopus" wrote: | > | >>the wrong initial message or else the message wasn't cancelled. | > | > I don't think cancels are allowed any more... Side effect of an old | >troll. | | Aaargghhh! It even shows up as canceled in my newsreader. Note to self, | don't bother cancelling mistakes on SpamCop groups. | Hey guys .... we're ALL SAFE!!! From devnull at spamcop.net Sat Mar 11 21:35:16 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sat Mar 11 22:05:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Mayor Wants Nude Cycle Race Outlawed References: Message-ID: "Steven Maesslein" wrote in message news:slrne16k4i.7u8.nobody@127.0.0.1... | On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 14:46:36 -0600, Kenneth Loafman coughed into | spamcop.social and left this in | : | | > Here's my take on it from a societal standpoint. [Note: I don't like | > helmets, but I do wear them.] | | Regardless of organ donor issues, I do agree that health insurance | should be allowed not to pay the full whack for medical treatment when | the gravity of the victim's injuries (and therefore the cost of treating | the victim) would have been unquestionably lower had the victim been | wearing protective clothing. Insurances companies don't need any more help to avoiding paying claims. From khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com Sun Mar 12 09:02:54 2006 From: khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Sun Mar 12 04:05:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: YESSS!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Borgholio wrote: > Ah, that part. I don't believe that industries / properties critical to > our economic survival should be owned by foreign corporations. At > least, not without a safeguard to insure that we can take back control > in an instant if we need to. You should define "foreign corporations" and probably also define "we". Have we all discussed the recently found link between Dubai Ports and the Carlyle Group (lots of ex-presidents, prime ministers, secretary of state, etc buying into businesses)? http://www.wnymedia.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1090&Itemid=35 http://www.hereinreality.com/carlyle.html But you speak of corporations and citizens of countries and their survival and safety as if they were connected somehow. Don't bother looking at citizenships, follow the money instead. That's where the real loyalties lie. From khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com Sun Mar 12 09:10:31 2006 From: khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Sun Mar 12 04:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Quotes of the Day - James Watt (Secretary of the Interior) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Dean wrote: > In article , > "Canopus" wrote: > >> James Watt (Secretary of the Interior) > > Is that the same guy who used to be the head of the FCC under GHWB? Interior Secretary under Reagan. Remember the Beach Boys/Wayne Newton controversy? From khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com Sun Mar 12 09:44:58 2006 From: khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Sun Mar 12 04:50:31 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Mayor Wants Nude Cycle Race Outlawed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > "Steven Maesslein" wrote in message > news:slrne16k4i.7u8.nobody@127.0.0.1... > | On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 14:46:36 -0600, Kenneth Loafman coughed into > | spamcop.social and left this in > | : > | > | > Here's my take on it from a societal standpoint. [Note: I don't like > | > helmets, but I do wear them.] > | > | Regardless of organ donor issues, I do agree that health insurance > | should be allowed not to pay the full whack for medical treatment when > | the gravity of the victim's injuries (and therefore the cost of treating > | the victim) would have been unquestionably lower had the victim been > | wearing protective clothing. > > Insurances companies don't need any more help to avoiding paying claims. That's the main concern I have about it. For me, I mostly ride in London traffic, so I am most at risk at low speeds, being knocked over at intersections and things like that. I tried helmet-free for a month or two but I went back. I don't feel safer wearing one but I wear it anyways. But the fight that is on the board now is a proposed change in the Highway Code to say cyclists "should wear helmets" and "should use cycle facilities where available" which is a nice idea but will inevitably be used by insurance companies to deny claims against negligent motorists. In terms of helmets, I support them and think people should wear them but there are somewhat mixed statistics about them. http://www.cyclehelmets.org/index.html They seem to suggest there is a much more profound impact by making cycle facilities safer than by how many riders wear helmets. That's why I think the link to forcing cyclists onto, in many cases, poorly designed and maintained and in a lot of cases just plain dangerous cycle routes by allowing insurance companies an out with cyclists who ignore that advice and cycle on the roads instead is more important overall. Check out some of these crazy things that local councils have set up, the world's shortest bike routes, poles right in the middle of the route, paths that veer out into heavy traffic with no warning, etc http://www.17beechroad.freeserve.co.uk/WarringtonCycleCampaign/facility-of-the-month/ From khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com Sun Mar 12 10:11:33 2006 From: khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Sun Mar 12 05:15:22 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Mayor Wants Nude Cycle Race Outlawed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steven Maesslein wrote: > > Regardless of organ donor issues, I do agree that health insurance > should be allowed not to pay the full whack for medical treatment when > the gravity of the victim's injuries (and therefore the cost of treating > the victim) would have been unquestionably lower had the victim been > wearing protective clothing. > > Suppose I fall off my bike and crack my skull against the kerb. A crash > helmet would have helped me here so I should accept responsibility if my > health insurance says GFY. Are you going to deny health insurance if somebody smokes, or eats fried food or food with too much salt, or lives in a city with a higher pollution index than a neighboring town, etc? I think you give one exception like this and insurance companies will find 800 ways to use it to avoid paying any claims which have nothing at all to do with the original intent. From nobody at nowhere.invalid Sun Mar 12 13:10:53 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Sun Mar 12 07:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Quotes of the Day - James Watt (Secretary of the Interior) References: Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 23:54:28 +0000 (UTC), Canopus coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : > Aaargghhh! It even shows up as canceled in my newsreader. Note to > self, don't bother cancelling mistakes on SpamCop groups. At least not with a newsreader that lies to you about the cancelled state of the message... -- Steve Radioactive cats have 18 half-lives From khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com Sun Mar 12 12:34:57 2006 From: khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Sun Mar 12 07:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Quotes of the Day - James Watt (Secretary of the Interior) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steven Maesslein wrote: > On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 23:54:28 +0000 (UTC), Canopus coughed into > spamcop.social and left this in : > >> Aaargghhh! It even shows up as canceled in my newsreader. Note to >> self, don't bother cancelling mistakes on SpamCop groups. > > At least not with a newsreader that lies to you about the cancelled > state of the message... It doesn't sound like it is lying though. The client issued the cancel request and duly noted that. It isn't its fault that the server ignored the request. From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Mar 12 07:17:11 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Mar 12 07:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How to change the way you look at women. References: <1142001441.207426.186510@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <1142051224.652696.100480@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Oops! http://newnimproved.blogspot.com/2006/03/spot-of-day-breasts_10.html Or at: http://youtube.com/watch?v=xjdSUwlg5AM Sorry for the goof up! From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Sun Mar 12 13:22:30 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Sun Mar 12 08:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Quotes of the Day - James Watt (Secretary of the Interior) References: Message-ID: Mr K. Mean on 12/03/2006 wrote: >Steven Maesslein wrote: >>On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 23:54:28 +0000 (UTC), Canopus coughed into >>spamcop.social and left this in : >> >>>Aaargghhh! It even shows up as canceled in my newsreader. Note to self, >>>don't bother cancelling mistakes on SpamCop groups. >> >>At least not with a newsreader that lies to you about the cancelled state >>of the message... > >It doesn't sound like it is lying though. The client issued the cancel >request and duly noted that. It isn't its fault that the server ignored >the request. I'm not sure whether a client could know if a server permits cancelling, I'll have to bring it up in the XanaNews newsgroup. -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Sun Mar 12 13:25:22 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Sun Mar 12 08:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Mayor Wants Nude Cycle Race Outlawed References: Message-ID: Mr K. Mean on 12/03/2006 wrote: >Are you going to deny health insurance if somebody smokes, or eats fried >food or food with too much salt, or lives in a city with a higher >pollution index than a neighboring town, etc? I think you give one >exception like this and insurance companies will find 800 ways to use it >to avoid paying any claims which have nothing at all to do with the >original intent. I reckon they should deny Life Insurance to anyone who can't prove they are immortal. -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Mar 12 08:34:24 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Mar 12 08:40:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Mayor Wants Nude Cycle Race Outlawed References: Message-ID: "Canopus" | >Are you going to deny health insurance if somebody smokes, or eats fried | >food or food with too much salt, or lives in a city with a higher | >pollution index than a neighboring town, etc? I think you give one | >exception like this and insurance companies will find 800 ways to use it | >to avoid paying any claims which have nothing at all to do with the | >original intent. | | I reckon they should deny Life Insurance to anyone who can't prove they | are immortal. Death is inevitable (although I, myself, plan to live forever ... or die in the attempt) the question for insurance companies is how to cage the bet. That said the insurance companies typically don't under wright folk who have a terminal DX. From khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com Sun Mar 12 14:00:03 2006 From: khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Sun Mar 12 09:05:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Citibank and other debit card fraud? Message-ID: So, has anybody had their debit card reissued in the past week or so. Crazy, sounds like a huge problem that has been mostly hushed up. I guess keep a close eye on your account and any ATM withdraws from Moscow or somewhere like that. http://www.boingboing.net/2006/03/11/citibank_pinatm_fias.html http://www.consumerist.com/consumer/atms/consumers-with-forced-debit-card-reissues-step-forward-159753.php From nobody at nowhere.invalid Sun Mar 12 15:11:40 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Sun Mar 12 09:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Quotes of the Day - James Watt (Secretary of the Interior) References: Message-ID: On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 12:34:57 +0000, Mr K. Mean coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : > It doesn't sound like it is lying though. The client issued the cancel > request and duly noted that. It isn't its fault that the server ignored > the request. It *is* the client's fault for not noticing that the message is still on the server! It looks like your client was written in a long-gone era when news servers actually observed cancel requests since it assumes that that's what'll happen. Perhaps it needs to be updated to be more in tune with the times? -- Steve Just remember: when you go to court, you are trusting your fate to twelve people that weren't smart enough to get out of jury duty! From skiwi at spamcop.net Sun Mar 12 09:09:43 2006 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (Skiwi) Date: Sun Mar 12 12:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: James Watt (Secretary of the Interior) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Canopus wrote: > James Watt > > "We don't have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at hand." "My responsibility is to follow the Scriptures which call upon us to occupy the land until Jesus returns." -- James G. Watt, The Washington Post, May 24, 1981 "I have a black, a woman, two Jews and a cripple. And we have talent." US Chamber of Commerce, September 21, 1983 (the one, rightly IMHO, that got him sh*tcanned)) From devnull at spamcop.net Sun Mar 12 13:54:50 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Sun Mar 12 14:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How to change the way you look at women. References: <1142001441.207426.186510@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <1142051224.652696.100480@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: "Charles" | > | > http://newnimproved.blogspot.com/2006/03/spot-of-day-breasts_10.html | > | > | > Or at: | > http://youtube.com/watch?v=xjdSUwlg5AM | > | > Sorry for the goof up! | | S'okay. But it's still Macromedia and as such, well, sucks. Ooh. But, | hey, I finally got the second one to actually play. It must have been | worth it. Only it's, like, 4 days late! So if out of the box creative thinking is 4 days late you're opposed to the ideas. From avoozl at spamcop.net Mon Mar 13 02:19:21 2006 From: avoozl at spamcop.net (Chris F. Willoughby) Date: Mon Mar 13 05:20:13 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Gittin' Old Sucks References: Message-ID: LOL. Quite amusing Froggie. Chris "Frog Prince" wrote in message news:duvfue$mni$1@news.spamcop.net... > Some of the artists of the 60's and 70's are revising their hits with new > lyrics to appeal to aging baby boomers. > > Herman's Hermits - Mrs. Brown, You've Got a Lovely Walker > > The Bee Gees - How Can You Mend a Broken Hip > > Bobby Darin - Splish, Splash, I Was Havin' a Flash > > Ringo Starr - I Get By With a Little Help from Depends > > Roberta Flack - The First Time Ever I Forgot Your Face > > Johnny Nash - I Can't See Clearly Now > > Paul Simon - Fifty Ways to Lose Your Liver > > Commodores - Once, Twice, Three Times to the Bathroom > > Marvin Gaye - I Heard it Through the GrapeNuts > > Procol Harem - A Whiter Shade of Hair > > Leo Sayer - You Make Me Feel Like Napping > > The Temptations - Papa's Got a Kidney Stone > > Abba - Denture Queen > > Tony Orlando - Knock Three Times on the Ceiling if You Hear Me Fall > > Helen Reddy - I am Woman, Hear me Snore > > Willie Nelson - On the Throne Again > > Leslie Gore - It's My Procedure and I'll Cry if I Want To > > From BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com Mon Mar 13 12:51:08 2006 From: BNRAGMAOKKXT at spammotel.com (Canopus) Date: Mon Mar 13 07:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Quotes of the Day - Jerry Falwell Message-ID: Jerry Falwell "We're fighting against humanism, we're fighting against liberalism...we are fighting against all the systems of Satan that are destroying our nation today...our battle is with Satan himself." "AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals. To oppose it would be like an Israelite jumping in the Red Sea to save one of Pharoah's chariotters." "The Bible is the inerrant ... word of the living God. It is absolutely infallible, without error in all matters pertaining to faith and practice, as well as in areas such as geography, science, history, etc." "AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals." "If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being." (and they critisise the Taliban?!) -- Rob http://www.flickr.com/photos/canopus_archives/ From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Mar 13 08:46:54 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Mar 13 08:50:07 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > Duh! Because I'm on a Thai system!!???!!! ;-) Therefore it encodes > Thai by default........ You're visiting Thailand on one of those sex tours? From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Mar 13 09:02:12 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Mar 13 09:05:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How come someone this stupid is working in the WH? References: Message-ID: Frog Prince wrote: > http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=1712023 > > "Former White House Adviser, Onetime No. 2 at Homeland Security, > Arrested on Theft Charges" And the shrub was shocked, just shocked, to hear this news....good golly he was shocked I tell you! From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Mon Mar 13 14:42:35 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Mon Mar 13 09:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Party Message-ID: Tom had been in the liquor business for 25 years. Finally, sick of the stress, he quit his job and bought 50 acres of land in Alaska as far from humanity as possible. He saw the postman once a week and got groceries once a month. Otherwise, it was total peace and quiet. After about six months of almost total isolation, someone knocked on his door. He opened it and a huge, bearded man was standing there. "Name's Lars, your neighbor from forty miles up the road. Having a Christmas party Friday night...thought you might like to come. About 5:00." "Great", says Tom, "after six months out here I'm ready to meet some local folks. Thank you." As Lars left, he stopped. "Gotta warn you......be some drinkin'." "Not a problem" says Tom. "After 25 years in the business, I can drink with the best of 'em." Again, the big man started to leave and stopped. "More 'n' likely gonna be some fightin', too." "Well, I get along with people; I'll be all right. I'll be there. Thanks again." "More'n likely be some wild sex, too!" "Now that's really not a problem," says Tom, warming to the idea. "I've been all alone for six months! I'll definitely be there. By the way, what should I wear?" "Don't much matter ..... Just gonna be the two of us." From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Mar 13 09:51:19 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Mar 13 09:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Party References: Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > "Don't much matter ..... Just gonna be the two of us." That joke is almost as old as you, John :-P From nobody at spamcop.net Mon Mar 13 10:06:11 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Mon Mar 13 10:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Enough to make your blood boil! Message-ID: And we wonder why health costs are soaring out of control......and we think the oil companies are price gougers!? http://www.goupstate.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060312/ZNYT02/603120388/1051/NEWS01 By ALEX BERENSON New York Times Published March 12, 2006 On Feb. 3, Joyce Elkins filled a prescription for a two-week supply of nitrogen mustard, a decades-old cancer drug used to treat a rare form of lymphoma. The cost was $77.50. On Feb. 17, Ms. Elkins, a 64-year-old retiree who lives in Georgetown, Tex., returned to her pharmacy for a refill. This time, following a huge increase in the wholesale price of the drug, the cost was $548.01. Ms. Elkins's insurance does not cover nitrogen mustard, which she must take for at least the next six months at a cost that will now total nearly $7,000. She and her husband, who works for the Texas Department of Transportation, are paying for the medicine by spending less on utilities and food, she said. The medicine, also known as Mustargen, was developed more than 60 years ago and is among the oldest chemotherapy drugs. For decades, it has been blended into an ointment by pharmacists and used as a topical treatment for a cancer called cutaneous T-cell lymphoma, a form of cancer that mainly affects the skin. Last August, Merck, which makes Mustargen, sold the rights to manufacture and market it and Cosmegen, another cancer drug, to Ovation Pharmaceuticals, a six-year-old company in Deerfield, Ill., that buys slow-selling medicines from big pharmaceutical companies. The two drugs are used by fewer than 5,000 patients a year and had combined sales of about $1 million in 2004. Now Ovation has raised the wholesale price of Mustargen roughly tenfold and that of Cosmegen even more, according to several pharmacists and patients. Sean Nolan, vice president of commercial development for Ovation, said that the price increases were needed to invest in manufacturing facilities for the drugs. He said the company was petitioning insurers to obtain coverage f or patients. The increase has stunned doctors, who say it starkly illustrates two trends in the pharmaceutical industry: the soaring price of cancer medicines and the tendency for those prices to have little relation to the cost of developing or making the drugs. Genentech, for example, has indicated it will effectively double the price of its colon cancer drug Avastin, to about $100,000, when Avastin's use is expanded to breast and lung cancer patients. As with Avastin, nothing about nitrogen mustard is changing but the price. From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Mar 13 10:19:41 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Mar 13 10:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Party References: Message-ID: "JohnL" | Tom had been in the liquor business for 25 years. Finally, sick of the | stress, he quit his job and bought 50 acres of land in Alaska as far from | humanity as possible. He saw the postman once a week and got groceries | once a month. Otherwise, it was total peace and quiet. | | After about six months of almost total isolation, someone knocked on | his door. He opened it and a huge, bearded man was standing there. | | "Name's Lars, your neighbor from forty miles up the road. Having a | Christmas party Friday night...thought you might like to come. | About | 5:00." | | "Great", says Tom, "after six months out here I'm ready to meet some | local folks. Thank you." | | As Lars left, he stopped. "Gotta warn you......be some drinkin'." | | "Not a problem" says Tom. "After 25 years in the business, I can | drink with the best of 'em." | | Again, the big man started to leave and stopped. "More 'n' | likely gonna be some fightin', too." | | "Well, I get along with people; I'll be all right. I'll be there. | Thanks again." | | "More'n likely be some wild sex, too!" | | "Now that's really not a problem," says Tom, warming to the idea. | "I've been all alone for six months! I'll definitely be there. By the | way, what should I wear?" | | "Don't much matter ..... Just gonna be the two of us." John ... just how far north do you live? From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Mon Mar 13 15:44:51 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Mon Mar 13 10:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Party References: Message-ID: "Frog Prince" wrote in news:dv42jl$7d0$1 @news.spamcop.net: > John ... just how far north do you live? Not even close to that far!!!! :P From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Mon Mar 13 15:50:56 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Mon Mar 13 10:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: indigo wrote: > Porpoise wrote: >> Duh! Because I'm on a Thai system!!???!!! ;-) Therefore it encodes >> Thai by default........ > > You're visiting Thailand on one of those sex tours? > > That's not even funny in the current climate. Actually, I think he's at a Gary Glitter concert. From skiwi at spamcop.net Mon Mar 13 08:12:08 2006 From: skiwi at spamcop.net (Skiwi) Date: Mon Mar 13 11:15:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Party In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: JohnL wrote: > "Frog Prince" wrote in news:dv42jl$7d0$1 > @news.spamcop.net: > >> John ... just how far north do you live? > > Not even close to that far!!!! :P Do you want to go camping? From nobody at devnull.spamcop.net Mon Mar 13 11:35:27 2006 From: nobody at devnull.spamcop.net (POP) Date: Mon Mar 13 11:40:22 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Like it matters... Message-ID: settle e-mail case Datran was accused of misusing data reportedly mined from 6 million e-mail addresses. March 12, 2006: 7:59 PM EST NEW YORK (Reuters) - Datran Media Corp., an e-mail marketing company, has agreed to pay $1.1 million to settle accusations that it misused personal data reportedly mined from 6 million e-mail addresses across the country. The settlement is scheduled to be announced on Monday, New York's Assistant Attorney General, Karen Geduldig, told Reuters, noting that her office began investigating Datran in the summer of 2005. ?FPRIVATE "TYPE=PICT;ALT=pic" Datran is settling a case that affected millions of e-mail recipients across the country. She declined to provide further details of Datran's alleged actions. The New York-based company admits no wrongdoing under the terms of the settlement, said Datran spokesman Mark Naples. Datran sends marketing e-mail messages to addresses provided by partner companies, a practice that some people consider "spam." Its clients include Business Week, Columbia House, Fox Home Entertainment, NASCAR, Orbitz and Pitney Bowes, according to its Web site. From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Mon Mar 13 16:38:48 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Mon Mar 13 11:40:26 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Party References: Message-ID: Skiwi wrote in news:dv45kp$95e$1@news.spamcop.net: > Do you want to go camping? My S.O. and I go a lot during the summer. Other than that.... No Thank You. ;-) From nobody at nowhere.invalid Mon Mar 13 18:10:15 2006 From: nobody at nowhere.invalid (Steven Maesslein) Date: Mon Mar 13 12:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 15:50:56 +0000, Chris Wright coughed into spamcop.social and left this in : >> You're visiting Thailand on one of those sex tours? > > That's not even funny in the current climate. > > Actually, I think he's at a Gary Glitter concert. That'd be Vietnam IIRC :) -- Steve I haven't lost my mind; I know exactly where I left it. From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Mon Mar 13 17:17:21 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Mon Mar 13 12:20:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steven Maesslein wrote: > On Mon, 13 Mar 2006 15:50:56 +0000, Chris Wright coughed into > spamcop.social and left this in : > >>> You're visiting Thailand on one of those sex tours? >> That's not even funny in the current climate. >> >> Actually, I think he's at a Gary Glitter concert. > > That'd be Vietnam IIRC :) > Opps. Spotted... I shall now retreat back into my hole. From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Mar 13 18:26:28 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Mon Mar 13 13:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Quotes of the Day - Jerry Falwell References: Message-ID: "Canopus" wrote in message news:dv3prs$2r4$1@news.spamcop.net... > > (and they critisise the Taliban?!) Well, that's what bigots tend to do........ criticise everyone else.. From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Mar 13 18:33:48 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Mon Mar 13 13:40:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: "Chris Wright" wrote in message news:dv44cm$8g8$1@news.spamcop.net... > indigo wrote: >> Porpoise wrote: >>> Duh! Because I'm on a Thai system!!???!!! ;-) Therefore it encodes >>> Thai by default........ >> >> You're visiting Thailand on one of those sex tours? One of which sex tours? What is a sex tour anyway? Is that somewhere you go to watch sex? >> >> > That's not even funny in the current climate. > > Actually, I think he's at a Gary Glitter concert. > I thought he was on his way back to a UK prison?!? I must admit, I don't tend to follow such things in the news. From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Mon Mar 13 18:46:39 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Mon Mar 13 13:50:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > > "Chris Wright" wrote in message > news:dv44cm$8g8$1@news.spamcop.net... >> indigo wrote: >>> Porpoise wrote: >>>> Duh! Because I'm on a Thai system!!???!!! ;-) Therefore it encodes >>>> Thai by default........ >>> >>> You're visiting Thailand on one of those sex tours? > > One of which sex tours? What is a sex tour anyway? Is that somewhere > you go to watch sex? > >>> >>> >> That's not even funny in the current climate. >> >> Actually, I think he's at a Gary Glitter concert. >> > > I thought he was on his way back to a UK prison?!? I must admit, I don't > tend to follow such things in the news. There was some speculation that he would be thrown out of that country and would be deported back to England. IMHO he should be thrown into any jail and the key thrown in the opposite direction. From khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com Mon Mar 13 18:48:13 2006 From: khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Mon Mar 13 14:05:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > > "Chris Wright" wrote in message >> >> Actually, I think he's at a Gary Glitter concert. > > I thought he was on his way back to a UK prison?!? I must admit, I don't > tend to follow such things in the news. I believe he has like 2 years to serve out in their prisons before they deport him back to the UK. From devnull at spamcop.net Mon Mar 13 22:58:39 2006 From: devnull at spamcop.net (Frog Prince) Date: Mon Mar 13 23:15:14 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Hindu Priests purify Gandhi shrine after Bush visit References: Message-ID: was it the dogs that defiled the memorial or the supreme advocate of violence, the terrorist president http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=1688828 From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Mar 14 09:04:29 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Mar 14 09:05:11 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > "Chris Wright" wrote in message > news:dv44cm$8g8$1@news.spamcop.net... > > indigo wrote: > >> Porpoise wrote: > >>> Duh! Because I'm on a Thai system!!???!!! ;-) Therefore it > >>> encodes Thai by default........ > >> > >> You're visiting Thailand on one of those sex tours? > > One of which sex tours? What is a sex tour anyway? Is that somewhere > you go to watch sex? > No watching, they're organized sex vacations for perverts who want to have sex with underage Asian boys and girls. A very sick and big problem, although the FBI has managed to follow more than a few from the states over there and had them extradited back to here for prosecution. From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Tue Mar 14 09:53:32 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Tue Mar 14 09:55:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hindu Priests purify Gandhi shrine after Bush visit References: Message-ID: In article , "Frog Prince" wrote: > was it the dogs that defiled the memorial or the supreme advocate of > violence, the terrorist president > > http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=1688828 So let's see, it's important to America's image abroad that our ports be sold to an Arab emirate, but desecrating a Hindu shrine is no big deal. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com In the republic of mediocrity genius is dangerous. (Robert G. Ingersoll) From dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com Tue Mar 14 10:04:50 2006 From: dfm2a3l0t2 at spymac.com (D.F. Manno) Date: Tue Mar 14 10:05:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: ain't wasting any time are they? References: <440E39A6.E6DA2A7C@spamcop.net> Message-ID: In article , Sylvesterthekat wrote: > There tend not to be picketers at clinics in > 'sane' states - at least not as far as I'm aware, there's nothing on the > news here about clinics being picketed. I was a clinic escort. The antis are _always_ there whenever procedures are scheduled at a clinic. There are days when their presence is greater--Saturdays, the Roe v. Wade anniversary, whenever an abortion bill is up for a vote in the legislature, or when an abortion case is being heard by SCOTUS--but they are always there. Something that happens all the time is by definition not news, so of course you don't see it on the news. -- D.F. Manno dfm2a3l0t2@spymac.com In the republic of mediocrity genius is dangerous. (Robert G. Ingersoll) From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Tue Mar 14 10:02:59 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Mar 14 10:10:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hindu Priests purify Gandhi shrine after Bush visit References: Message-ID: "D.F. Manno" wrote in message news:dfm2a3l0t2-9A7B29.09533214032006@news.cesmail.net... > > So let's see, it's important to America's image abroad that our ports be sold to > an Arab emirate, but desecrating a Hindu shrine is no big deal. The story didn't explain why the dogs 'desecrated' the site though, what's the religious significance of that? From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Tue Mar 14 10:14:49 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Mar 14 10:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dv6ihd$kqu$1@news.spamcop.net... > > No watching, they're organized sex vacations for perverts who want to have > sex with underage Asian boys and girls. A very sick and big problem, > although the FBI has managed to follow more than a few from the states over > there and had them extradited back to here for prosecution. An Irish man I know said there was always a big mystery why all the Irish priests wanted to go to Thailand for holidays, until of course the child prostitution/trafficking was exposed after the tsunami.... From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Tue Mar 14 10:21:17 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Mar 14 10:25:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: look no hands References: Message-ID: "Sylvesterthekat" wrote in message news:Xns97855E506BA9Cspamalyzerluzernet@216.154.195.61... > > That's hardly the point! Folks here could answer a myriad of different > responses to that question. Fact of the matter is that the town of Mold is > in Wales, part of the UK. There, that is not how you spell the word for > green fuzzy stuff that grows on old food. Which is not to say that it's not > the greatest name for a town ever thought up but I've heard worse! What is the town of "Mold" named after - a person or a thing? Or is it a welsh name? I guess no one knows! http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/northeast/sites/flintshire/pages/mold.shtml From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Mar 14 10:29:29 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Mar 14 10:30:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > An Irish man I know said there was always a big mystery why all the > Irish priests wanted to go to Thailand for holidays, until of course > the child prostitution/trafficking was exposed after the tsunami.... That crap was well known LONG before the tsunami....although the floods may have pointed the cameras towards the disgusting practice a bit closer. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Tue Mar 14 10:29:28 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Mar 14 10:35:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in message news:dv6ngq$nf1$1@news.spamcop.net... > > That crap was well known LONG before the tsunami....although the floods may > have pointed the cameras towards the disgusting practice a bit closer. There weren't quite as many orphans to be preyed upon until the Tsunami, people were trying to claim kids they didn't have any relation to so they could make prostitutes out of them. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Mar 14 10:43:55 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Mar 14 10:45:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "indigo" wrote in message > news:dv6ngq$nf1$1@news.spamcop.net... > > > > That crap was well known LONG before the tsunami....although the > > floods may have pointed the cameras towards the disgusting practice > > a bit closer. > > There weren't quite as many orphans to be preyed upon until the > Tsunami, people were trying to claim kids they didn't have any > relation to so they could make prostitutes out of them. Didn't hear about that.....talk about sickening exploitation! From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Mar 14 16:18:02 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Tue Mar 14 11:25:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hindu Priests purify Gandhi shrine after Bush visit References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:dv6m49$mmb$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "D.F. Manno" wrote in message > news:dfm2a3l0t2-9A7B29.09533214032006@news.cesmail.net... >> >> So let's see, it's important to America's image abroad that our ports be >> sold to >> an Arab emirate, but desecrating a Hindu shrine is no big deal. > > The story didn't explain why the dogs 'desecrated' the site though, what's > the > religious significance of that? I guess they'd have to ask the dogs if they wanted to know "why" they did it. From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Tue Mar 14 16:24:36 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Tue Mar 14 11:25:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hindu Priests purify Gandhi shrine after Bush visit References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in news:dv6m49$mmb$1@news.spamcop.net: > The story didn't explain why the dogs 'desecrated' the site though, > what's the religious significance of that? Well, you know how dogs "mark" their territory... From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Mar 14 16:40:15 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Tue Mar 14 11:45:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message news:dv6mqg$n52$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "indigo" wrote in message > news:dv6ihd$kqu$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> No watching, they're organized sex vacations for perverts who want to >> have >> sex with underage Asian boys and girls. A very sick and big problem, >> although the FBI has managed to follow more than a few from the states >> over >> there and had them extradited back to here for prosecution. Have they been doing that to all the ones in Europe/South America/India and all the other countries where child prostitution occurs? > > An Irish man I know said there was always a big mystery why all the Irish > priests > wanted to go to Thailand for holidays, until of course the child > prostitution/trafficking was exposed after the tsunami.... You mean when it hit the mainstream news? Ah, but, of course, there was no tsunami in Germany or Holland or France or other countries where there is also prostitution/child prostitution. (Oh, I forgot, it's their own doorstep, so they prefer to sweep that under the carpet and highlight these other places because it's easier and they don't have to deal with establishment flack). It's funny how most of these so-called "sex tourists" are from "Western countries". Sex "tourism" is available wherever one wants to look for it. I suspect, though it is undesirable whatever the number, the percentage of total tourism that accounts for the "sex" part is down in the way less than the western press would have us believe. Sensationalism sells newspapers......... Of course we ALL know how the press works, don't we. There's probably more prostitution in New York (population c.18,976,457) alone than there is in the whole of Thailand (population c.65,444,371) - there's certainly more bars/lap-dancing/strip-joints, etc. From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Tue Mar 14 16:53:02 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Tue Mar 14 11:55:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: "indigo" wrote in news:dv6ngq$nf1$1@news.spamcop.net: > That crap was well known LONG before the tsunami....although the > floods may have pointed the cameras towards the disgusting practice a > bit closer. I remember in the early 70's, in Bangkok, there wasn't anything you couldn't get/do, and for not much money. From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Mar 14 17:04:08 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Tue Mar 14 12:10:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns9786648DFB82Cinnewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... > "indigo" wrote in > news:dv6ngq$nf1$1@news.spamcop.net: > >> That crap was well known LONG before the tsunami....although the >> floods may have pointed the cameras towards the disgusting practice a >> bit closer. > > I remember in the early 70's, in Bangkok, there wasn't anything you > couldn't get/do, and for not much money. I remember the same - in Amsterdam...... or, at least, being offered it..... From khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com Tue Mar 14 17:00:02 2006 From: khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Tue Mar 14 12:10:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > > It's funny how most of these so-called "sex tourists" are from "Western > countries". Sex "tourism" is available wherever one wants to look for > it. I suspect, though it is undesirable whatever the number, the > percentage of total tourism that accounts for the "sex" part is down in > the way less than the western press would have us believe. > Sensationalism sells newspapers......... Of course we ALL know how the > press works, don't we. There's probably more prostitution in New York > (population c.18,976,457) alone than there is in the whole of Thailand > (population c.65,444,371) - there's certainly more > bars/lap-dancing/strip-joints, etc. There are plenty of women, brought over from Eastern Europe mostly, in sex slavery even in London, held by fear of violence to themselves, their family back home, and fear of immigration services finding them illegally in the country. From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Mar 14 17:10:02 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Tue Mar 14 12:15:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: "Mr K. Mean" wrote in message news:pd9je3-s3q.ln1@mothlight.dyndns.org... > Porpoise wrote: >> >> It's funny how most of these so-called "sex tourists" are from "Western >> countries". Sex "tourism" is available wherever one wants to look for it. >> I suspect, though it is undesirable whatever the number, the percentage >> of total tourism that accounts for the "sex" part is down in the way less >> than the western press would have us believe. Sensationalism sells >> newspapers......... Of course we ALL know how the press works, don't we. >> There's probably more prostitution in New York (population c.18,976,457) >> alone than there is in the whole of Thailand (population c.65,444,371) - >> there's certainly more bars/lap-dancing/strip-joints, etc. > > There are plenty of women, brought over from Eastern Europe mostly, in sex > slavery even in London, held by fear of violence to themselves, their > family back home, and fear of immigration services finding them illegally > in the country. Quite so! There are also large numbers of UK nationals who *choose* to do those "jobs" as an "easy" way to "earn" money because it beats working in a factory or whatever. Same in every major city in the world. It just bugs me when the media jumps on a particular place and sensationalises like it's the only place in the world where these things go on, when it's about something that actually happens everywhere. From porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk Tue Mar 14 17:19:40 2006 From: porpoise1954 at yahoo.co.uk (Porpoise) Date: Tue Mar 14 12:25:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" wrote in message news:dv6t6d$qq1$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "JohnL" wrote in message > news:Xns9786648DFB82Cinnewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... >> "indigo" wrote in >> news:dv6ngq$nf1$1@news.spamcop.net: >> >>> That crap was well known LONG before the tsunami....although the >>> floods may have pointed the cameras towards the disgusting practice a >>> bit closer. >> >> I remember in the early 70's, in Bangkok, there wasn't anything you >> couldn't get/do, and for not much money. > > I remember the same - in Amsterdam...... or, at least, being offered > it..... Forgot to mention that the AOC was/is? 12 in Netherlands. From johnl at in.newsgroup.only Tue Mar 14 17:32:17 2006 From: johnl at in.newsgroup.only (JohnL) Date: Tue Mar 14 12:35:10 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What the hell is wrong with these people? References: Message-ID: "Porpoise" wrote in news:dv6t6d$qq1$1@news.spamcop.net: > > "JohnL" wrote in message > news:Xns9786648DFB82Cinnewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... >> I remember in the early 70's, in Bangkok, there wasn't anything you >> couldn't get/do, and for not much money. > > I remember the same - in Amsterdam...... or, at least, being offered > it..... > Well, it was all there (in Bangkok), but after hearing about all the diseases and other "interesting" things that could happen to a person, I didn't even go there, went to Siagon instead. Anybody here ever hear of "Tudo Street"? LOL From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Tue Mar 14 17:59:39 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Tue Mar 14 13:00:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hindu Priests purify Gandhi shrine after Bush visit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Porpoise wrote: > > "Spamvireslayer" wrote in message > news:dv6m49$mmb$1@news.spamcop.net... >> >> "D.F. Manno" wrote in message >> news:dfm2a3l0t2-9A7B29.09533214032006@news.cesmail.net... >>> >>> So let's see, it's important to America's image abroad that our ports >>> be sold to >>> an Arab emirate, but desecrating a Hindu shrine is no big deal. >> >> The story didn't explain why the dogs 'desecrated' the site though, >> what's the >> religious significance of that? > > I guess they'd have to ask the dogs if they wanted to know "why" they > did it. Apparently they have set up a new dog pound in Guantanamo bay. They'll get the answer soon enough Chris From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Tue Mar 14 15:53:32 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Mar 14 16:00:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hindu Priests purify Gandhi shrine after Bush visit References: Message-ID: "JohnL" wrote in message news:Xns97865FBBF4757innewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... > > Well, you know how dogs "mark" their territory... I would be utterly disgusted if they allowed a working dog to "mark his territory" while he was on duty, it would seem that while he was working, peeing would not be allowed, they need them concentrating on sniffing bombs, not other dogs. Are dogs considered dirty in the Hindu religion? I can't seem to find any article that says why they were so upset. From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Tue Mar 14 16:05:57 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Mar 14 16:10:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: How come someone this stupid is working in the WH? References: Message-ID: "dwåcôn" wrote in message news:dutqs1$ob5$1@news.spamcop.net... > > "Frog Prince" wrote in message > > "Former White House Adviser, Onetime No. 2 at Homeland Security, > > Arrested on Theft Charges" > > > Bill Maher missed this one... I think it was probably too close to air time, but I bet this week it will be mentioned. Just one more pathetic gaff in a list that's getting longer by the day.... From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Tue Mar 14 16:12:05 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Mar 14 16:15:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] What, exactly, are the Feds going to get from this? Message-ID: Besides a foot in the door to getting more personal information? http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/internet/03/14/google.hearing.ap/index.html SAN FRANCISCO, California (AP) -- A federal judge said Tuesday he intends to require Google Inc. to turn over some information to the Department of Justice in its quest to revive a law making it harder for children to see online pornography. U.S. District Judge James Ware did not immediately say whether the data will include words that users entered into the Internet's leading search engine. A lawyer for the Justice Department told Ware that the government would like to have a random selection of 50,000 Web addresses and 5,000 random search requests from Google, a small fraction of the millions the government originally sought. The government believes the requested information will help bolster its arguments in a pornography case in Pennsylvania From nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net Tue Mar 14 16:16:06 2006 From: nobody at devnulll.spamcop.net (Spamvireslayer) Date: Tue Mar 14 16:20:03 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Who's buying off the press? Message-ID: http://tinyurl.com/n6qu3 CHICAGO (Reuters) - Mad cow disease is no longer front-page news at many leading newspapers. which put stories of the latest U.S. case on the inside of Tuesday's editions. One exception was financial newspaper The Wall Street Journal, which ran a one-paragraph notice of the story in its "What's News" summary of important items on page 1 and carried the story on page 2. The move off the front pages appears to support the U.S. beef industry's claims that consumers are not as concerned as they had been that the disease is a threat to the food supply. Also, the industry claims that as consumers learn more about the disease they gain confidence in the safety measures being taken. However, economists warned that the government must remain vigilant in testing for mad cow and safeguarding the food supply because consumer confidence is fickle and could quickly change for the worse. From nobody at spamcop.net Tue Mar 14 16:23:33 2006 From: nobody at spamcop.net (indigo) Date: Tue Mar 14 16:25:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: What, exactly, are the Feds going to get from this? References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > A lawyer for the Justice Department told Ware that the government > would like to have a random selection of 50,000 Web addresses and > 5,000 random search requests from Google, a small fraction of the > millions the government originally sought. > > The government believes the requested information will help bolster > its arguments in a pornography case in Pennsylvania Can't see how that's going to help their case. There can't be a truly random sampling of google searches, IMO. I'd bet that there is a pattern to the searches during the first hour of work (which changes with the time zones), during lunch hour, and during the evenings. And of course during March Madness, that will REALLY slew the results! (they're streaming live video of the NCAA games this year, think about that for a second, then think about the loss of work hours during the tournament!) From chris.a.wright at gmail.com Tue Mar 14 22:40:16 2006 From: chris.a.wright at gmail.com (Chris Wright) Date: Tue Mar 14 17:45:04 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hindu Priests purify Gandhi shrine after Bush visit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Spamvireslayer wrote: > "JohnL" wrote in message > news:Xns97865FBBF4757innewsgrouponly@216.154.195.61... >> Well, you know how dogs "mark" their territory... > > I would be utterly disgusted if they allowed a working dog to "mark his territory" > while he was on duty, it would seem that while he was working, peeing would not be > allowed, they need them concentrating on sniffing bombs, not other dogs. Are dogs > considered dirty in the Hindu religion? I can't seem to find any article that says > why they were so upset. > > I'm surprised you didn't suggest they wear diapers... (Which has been suggested elsewhere). If a dogs gotta go, a dogs gotta go. Who knows what makes them gets sniff of something and then need to do the business.. Now if a real person were to take a leak I could understand the fuss. Just try and remember that somewhere in there, some bunch of idiots is trying to blow the patrol/people to pieces... Be as tactful as you can, but don't get pissy just for the sake of getting pissy. Some people are never happy... Unless they are tucked up safe and warm in their nice little cosy homes miles away from any trouble. Now who is taking the piss. Chris From khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com Tue Mar 14 22:52:15 2006 From: khhqdty02 at sneakemail.com (Mr K. Mean) Date: Tue Mar 14 17:55:02 2006 Subject: [SpamCop-Social] Re: Hindu Priests purify Gandhi shrine after Bush visit In-Reply-To: